00:00 <KathrynM> gonna run to the store to get something for lunch
00:00 <KathrynM> bbiab
00:02 <Rookie_69> Sounds pretty good on these old speakers.
00:02 <efc> Both of them?
00:02 <efc> the pseudostereo depends a lot on your speaker setup
00:04 <Rookie_69> Trying headset...
00:05 <efc> Unfortunately there will never be a better master of that
00:06 <Rookie_69> Don't hear much in the line of stereo... pseudo or otherwise.
00:06 <efc> On the second one?
00:07 <efc> two links there
00:07 <Rookie_69> Oh.
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00:10 <Rookie_69> Ok... There's a lot of difference there.
00:11 <Rookie_69> Snares on the left and piano on the right...
00:11 <efc> Its totally fake, I assure you
00:11 <efc> But I ike it
00:12 <efc> +l
00:17 <quail> hiya all
00:17 <Rookie_69> Oh... There's that other Aussie now...
00:18 <efc> moo Q
00:19 <quail> meep meep
00:21 <Rookie_69> Someone stopped in earlier from Sydney... He's around somewhere.
00:27 * Rookie_69 was watching a 32 year old Supertramp video and started feeling old.
00:29 * Rookie_69 watches a Beatles video and feels a bit younger.
00:33 <efc> i'm not doing well on my goal of getting married this year
00:33 <efc> 1 month down
00:35 <Rookie_69> I'm doing pretty good on my goal of never getting married...
00:38 <Rookie_69> Maybe it's not as much a goal as a foregone conclusion...
00:40 <efc> I have that feeling too
00:44 <Rookie_69> If you haven't scared her away yet, she probably has her teeth set.
00:45 <Rookie_69> ... as in I have her right where she wants me...
00:45 <efc> There isn't a her
00:45 <Rookie_69> Oh... Welcome to the club.
00:46 <efc> there are some long shots
00:46 <efc> some need a divorce
00:49 <Rookie_69> I look on Facebook and see the guys that are never going to find that woman have found them and I still haven't... I dunno.
00:50 <Rookie_69> Just don't become me and you'll be ok, I guess.
00:50 <Rookie_69> Lol.
00:52 * Rookie_69 cries into his beer.
00:52 <Rookie_69> Not because of the lack of women... It's my last beer.
00:53 <Rookie_69> ;-)
00:54 <Rookie_69> I'm, all set though... I leave the seat down.
00:55 <Rookie_69> It's very important to do that... and don't pee on it either.
00:56 <Rookie_69> That just makes it worse.
00:57 <Rookie_69> Women seem to have a need to pee in their sleep and a wet bum wakes them up.
00:59 <Rookie_69> They wake up cranky.
01:00 <Rookie_69> We don't want that.
01:00 <efc> Oh well
01:00 * Rookie_69 is glad that few women frequent this bar.
01:02 <Rookie_69> I accidentally clicked on something that put Gerry Rafferty into an endless loop... Easier than looking for new songs to play.
01:03 * efc looks at model motors and such
01:07 <Rookie_69> That's the wrong kind of model for a healthy young man to be looking at...
01:07 <Rookie_69> ;-)
01:10 <efc> You don't want to know
01:11 <Rookie_69> I'm too old to care, really.
01:12 <Hodapp> are you 69?
01:12 <Rookie_69> Nope... That's just my dream in life.
01:13 <Rookie_69> Only 46, iirc.
01:14 <Rookie_69> Maybe more of a faint memory than a dream...
01:16 * Rookie_69 slaps himself.
01:17 * Rookie_69 was asked a simple question and gave a crude answer... Shame!
01:18 * Rookie_69 then remembers that he is crude.
01:18 <efc> At least IRC isn't neural linked, so we don't get direct brain images. Yet.
01:19 <Rookie_69> That's a good thing most times.
01:21 <Rookie_69> An inch or two of snow outside... just enough to make everything greasy.
01:24 * Rookie_69 notes that Foot-In-Mouth Disease doesn't always affect typing.
01:24 <efc> Where are you again?
01:25 <Rookie_69> North and then east of you.
01:25 <Rookie_69> Blub blub.
01:26 <Rookie_69> Nova Scotia, Canada.
01:26 <efc> In the ocean?
01:26 <efc> Oh. Almost.
01:30 <Rookie_69> That rock up there.
01:35 <Rookie_69> Ohio... that's Don's part of the world.
01:35 * Rookie_69 notes again that his mind wanders.
01:47 * Rookie_69 wanders off to bed.
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02:18 <Soul_keeper> obama and his vp are rooting for the steelers
02:18 <Soul_keeper> so that means i'm rooting for the cardinals
02:27 <efc> I don't know who is playing. Well, I guess I do now.
02:30 <Soul_keeper> it's tomarrow apparently
02:30 * CoderForLife wanders in from bed
02:30 <efc> One thing I discovered
02:30 <efc> Don't go out to eat during the super bowl
02:30 <efc> The service will be awful.. Z-team on duty
02:30 <Soul_keeper> heh
02:31 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
02:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 33.4°F / 0.8°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly clear. Temperatures rising into the mid 30s. Southwest winds around 15 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with isolated rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. (1 more message)
02:31 <Soul_keeper> yeah and it'll be crowded
02:31 <CoderForLife> &more
02:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds around 5 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Hamilton County in effect until 2:45 AM EST on February 01, 2009;
02:32 <CoderForLife> what's this I hear? some kind of sporting event today?
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02:34 <Soul_keeper> it's in florida
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02:38 <Romulus> Title: Automatic fan speed control on GTX boards? (at www.gpugrid.net)
02:38 <Tank_Master> idiot things 60C for a gpu is to hot and is what is causing his problems :P
02:39 <Soul_keeper> well if he's an idiot i doubt you can help him :)
02:40 <Tank_Master> lol
02:40 <CoderForLife> Florida, huh?
02:40 <CoderForLife> wonder what it could be?
02:42 <CoderForLife> brb First Breakfast
02:44 <Tank_Master> not second breatfest?
02:49 <CoderForLife> not yet - that comes in a little while
02:49 <Tank_Master> ah :P
02:50 <CoderForLife> Hobbit meals: breakfast, second breakfast, elevenses, luncheon, afternoon tea, dinner, and (later in the evening) supper.
03:00 <Soul_keeper> freak
03:00 <Tank_Master> you forgot brunch
03:00 <CoderForLife> Hobbits can eat whenever they want - that's the 7 main meals
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03:02 <CoderForLife> I think brunch and elevenses are about the same, but I'm sure someone could make a distinction
03:11 <Tank_Master> couda sworn he siad both
03:12 <Tank_Master> but I dunno
03:13 <CoderForLife> plink 184.108.40.206
03:14 <Tank_Master> wonder what RAC id get from dual geforce 295
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03:32 <Tank_Master> yoyo's here
03:33 <Tank_Master> so gn ya all :P
03:33 <CoderForLife> gn
03:33 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
03:34 <yoyo[RKN]> 9:30am here
03:34 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
03:34 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 28Â°F / -2Â°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 9:20 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:34 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:30 ° F.;
03:34 <CoderForLife> I'm going back to bed - been up since just after 2, and it's 3:34 now
03:35 <CoderForLife> re-gn
03:35 <yoyo[RKN]> sleep well
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04:57 <quail> &wx ypad
04:57 <Romulus> quail: Error: timed out
04:58 <quail> &math convert 40 C F
04:58 <Romulus> quail: 104.0
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05:06 <PovAdct_es> SNOW!
05:07 <KathrynM> lol
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05:24 <yoyo[RKN]> my win app crashes
05:24 <yoyo[RKN]> wrapper: running ecm.exe (-v -nn -timestamp -chkpnt checkpnt -inp in 43000000)
05:24 <yoyo[RKN]> app exit status: 0xc000013a
05:24 <yoyo[RKN]> can I somewhere read what such exit status means?
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05:25 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAdct_es : can I somewhere read about such exit status?
05:25 <yoyo[RKN]> wrapper: running ecm.exe (-v -nn -timestamp -chkpnt checkpnt -inp in 43000000)
05:25 <yoyo[RKN]> app exit status: 0xc000013a
05:26 <PovAdct_es> I charge extra for support while I'm on vacation ;)
05:26 <yoyo[RKN]> I'm always on vacation when I'm in this chat
05:27 <PovAdct_es> lol
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05:52 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977
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07:24 <CoderForLife> re-hi
07:24 <CoderForLife> awake again
07:24 <CoderForLife> slept from about 3:45 to 7:15
07:25 <CoderForLife> time for Second Breakfast
07:26 <Soul_keeper> i'm happy for you
07:30 <CoderForLife> I needed the rest
07:31 <Soul_keeper> boinc runs really slow when you watch the progress bar ...
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08:05 <xcamel> 'lo
08:20 <xcamel> &wx 12074
08:21 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 18.1°F / -7.7°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. South winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming southwest this afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)
08:21 <xcamel> &more
08:21 <Romulus> xcamel: Monday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon.;
08:22 <xcamel> bbiab
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08:28 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
08:28 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 30.0°F / -1.1°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. High in the upper 30s. West wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy then becoming mostly cloudy after midnight then becoming partly cloudy. Scattered flurries after (1 more message)
08:28 <wdsmia> &more
08:28 <Romulus> wdsmia: midnight. Low around 20. West wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph after midnight.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Colder. Scattered flurries. High in the lower 20s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;
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08:31 <xcamel> yea!
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08:32 <xcamel> &wx 12074
08:32 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 18.5°F / -7.5°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. South winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming southwest this afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)
08:32 <xcamel> &more
08:32 <Romulus> xcamel: Monday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon.;
08:32 <xcamel> &quiet
08:32 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers
08:33 <wdsmia> &coffee
08:33 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?
08:33 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 February 1 - Auroral Corona Over Norway (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)
08:33 <xcamel> nice shot
08:45 <CoderForLife> re-morning
08:46 <CoderForLife> the melt has begun
08:46 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
08:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 34.7°F / 1.5°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Areas of blowing snow early this morning. Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. A slight (1 more message)
08:46 <CoderForLife> huh? blowing snow?
08:47 <CoderForLife> &more
08:47 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 30s. Northwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;
08:49 <CoderForLife> hmm - this is a new approach - phishing e-mail saying I've won a Range Rover
08:50 <CoderForLife> wants me to send personal contact info to an email address at yahoo.com.hk
08:50 <xcamel> I guess I need to figure out how to create a backup mailserver
08:51 <xcamel> temps are rising slowly here
08:51 <CoderForLife> that would be a good thing
08:52 <xcamel> brain too full of fog
08:52 <CoderForLife> mine is foll of fug
08:53 <xcamel> problem.. mail goes to a dedicated IP inside the fw
08:53 <CoderForLife> hmm
08:53 <xcamel> now offline
08:53 <CoderForLife> um - no mail
08:53 <xcamel> zactly
08:54 <CoderForLife> using MX records in DNS and preferences, you can specifiy a primary and a backup
08:54 <CoderForLife> but be sure that spammers will send to all with equal zeal
08:55 <xcamel> dns record at network solutions.. no internal dns server
08:55 <CoderForLife> not a stopper
08:55 <CoderForLife> just got to manage MX records on it
08:55 <xcamel> remembering the access is..
08:57 <BadBarbarian> 'lo all
08:57 <CoderForLife> hello BadBarbarian
08:57 <BadBarbarian> i have finally got my gpu crunching woohoo
08:58 <CoderForLife> w00t
08:58 <BadBarbarian> its an 8600 gt but its crunching lol
08:59 <CoderForLife> congrats
08:59 <BadBarbarian> ty
08:59 <BadBarbarian> what a pain
09:00 <CoderForLife> but you are an overcomer
09:07 <xcamel> ok... added the backup to the domain record
09:14 <xcamel> added the alias on the backup box
09:22 <meglaw_> morrn
09:23 <CoderForLife> did you set preferences xcamel?
09:24 <CoderForLife> gave your primary MX a lower number?
09:25 <CoderForLife> are you just going to check for mail on the backup via your mail client?
09:25 <CoderForLife> bbiab
09:39 <CoderForLife> b
09:44 <xcamel> lower number is higher priority?
09:44 <CoderForLife> iirc yes
09:45 <xcamel> mail 15, mail1 (backup =10)?
09:45 <CoderForLife> make your main one 10 and the backup 15 or 20
09:46 <CoderForLife> again iirc
09:46 <CoderForLife> spammers will whack on both
09:46 <xcamel> main is dead atm..
09:47 <xcamel> need backup higher priority
09:47 <CoderForLife> ok for now
09:47 <xcamel> been too long since I had to do this.. forgot everything.
09:47 <CoderForLife> once you get primary up, then switch them
09:47 <CoderForLife> it's been awhile for me too
09:48 <xcamel> not to get postfix working..
09:48 <xcamel> er now
09:48 <xcamel> and dovecot
09:48 <xcamel> this is going to ba an all day project
09:49 <CoderForLife> I'll be Coding all day
09:49 <CoderForLife> and watching the melt - I want to see what happens with this apparent water leask out front
09:50 <CoderForLife> I need to see if it's the neighbors (as I suspect) or me
09:51 <CoderForLife> I was about to start renting ice skates
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10:07 <CoderForLife> bbiab
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10:25 <CoderForLife> wb jasong
10:34 <jasong> thanks
10:35 <jasong> Managed to screw up both of my computers somehow, not sure what happened with the quad-core
10:35 <CoderForLife> perfect score - 2 for 2
10:35 <jasong> oh, yeah, if it ain't broke, make it my responsibility and it'll become broken
10:35 <jasong> lol
10:36 <CoderForLife> heh
10:36 <CoderForLife> I'm working on breaking mine - installing new Subversion components
10:36 <jasong> Well, at least I backed up this time, got all my video files
10:36 <jasong> Subversion?
10:37 <CoderForLife> yeah - source code control/versioning
10:37 <jasong> cool
10:38 <CoderForLife> going to keep the repositiory over on the development Linux server, and be able to maintain the Code from my desktop in Visual Studio or Eclipse, on the laptop and under Linux
10:38 <CoderForLife> one Code to rule them all
10:39 <jasong> Where have I heard that? One * to rule them all
10:39 <CoderForLife> LoTR
10:39 <jasong> ah
10:39 <jasong> one ring
10:39 <CoderForLife> One Ring to rule them all
10:39 <jasong> ok
10:39 <CoderForLife> One Ring to find them
10:40 * CoderForLife holds back
10:52 <CoderForLife> etc
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10:57 <xcamel> little by little..
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11:28 * CoderForLife orders birthday presents for the wife
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11:46 <xcamel> good idea.. now where's mine?
11:47 <CoderForLife> when's your birthday?
11:48 <xcamel> 03/08
11:48 <CoderForLife> I've got a few days then =)
11:48 <xcamel> seems so..
11:48 <CoderForLife> hers is 2/17
11:48 <CoderForLife> the "Book'em Dano" birthday
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11:58 <CoderForLife> but I'm not telling how old she'll be
11:59 <xcamel> big "50" for me..
11:59 <CoderForLife> Hawaii Five-Oh
11:59 <xcamel> go figure
12:00 <CoderForLife> so she's about a 1/2 month older than you
12:00 <CoderForLife> congrats on the half-century
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12:01 <CoderForLife> since I'm sliding down the hill in front of you, let me advise that it's a rough ride so far
12:02 <CoderForLife> bbiab
12:02 <xcamel> youth is just soooo wasted on the young...
12:02 <CoderForLife> lol yup
12:02 <MTughan__> Gah, WTF? BOINC quit last night because it couldn't write the state file.
12:03 <xcamel> I wonder how ling before the dns updates...
12:03 <CoderForLife> trying to transport data across state lines is a felony
12:03 <CoderForLife> that's actually a DNS setting
12:04 * xcamel wonders about the firewall too
12:04 <CoderForLife> is your firewall running a local DNS?
12:05 <MTughan__> And seems it was probably caused by anti-spyware scan last night. >_>
12:06 <CoderForLife> for instance, my firewall caches DNS entries, and all my machines are cfg'd to look to 192.168.1.1 for DNS
12:07 <CoderForLife> need to get back downstairs - I have a fire going in the fireplace, mainly to fight off a chimney leak with the melt going on
12:07 <CoderForLife> bbl
12:07 <CoderForLife> or from there
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13:46 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366
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13:46 <FreeLarry58> &more
13:46 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy in the morning with a chance of rain. Becoming partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs 45 to 50. South wind 10 to 15 mph decreasing to 10 mph or less in the afternoon.;
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14:00 <CoderForLife> sometimes boincmgr drives me crazy - I see that I have one last LHC WU completing with less than 2 minutes left, so I unsuspend S@H so that ir takes off when the LHC WU is done. What does boinc mgr do? Stops running the LHC WU and runs SETI. Scary stupid.
14:01 <wdsmia> your just now figuring that out
14:01 <CoderForLife> no - I'm just victimized again
14:02 <wdsmia> know the feeling
14:02 * CoderForLife tests to see if thr AnkhSVN plug-in works in Visual Studio 2008
14:03 <CoderForLife> ah - shows up under the File menu
14:04 <CoderForLife> or should I say "Ankh" =)
14:09 <FreeLarry58> humm just replaced ps and now machine really noisy but cant pinpoint it
14:10 <FreeLarry58> hoping its the ps fan
14:11 <CoderForLife> What!? I can't hear you due to the PS fan!
14:12 <FreeLarry58> ;)
14:12 <FreeLarry58> tried vista hd - still corrupted evidently as keeps rebooting
14:12 <CoderForLife> hmm "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it. "
14:12 <FreeLarry58> f10 had corrupt table so reinstalling
14:13 <CoderForLife> waddaya think? permissions?
14:13 <FreeLarry58> could be had the same when i tried to install boinc on f10 but machine went crazy before had chance to experiment
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14:26 <CoderForLife> down to the laptop
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14:58 <DerMeister> * CoderForLife tests to see if thr AnkhSVN plug-in works in Visual Studio 2008 <= it does - I didn't even have to install it, visual studio 2008 setup just took it over from the previous installed visual studio 2005
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15:28 <xcamel> wow.. 38F
15:28 <xcamel> holy meltdown...
15:29 <Tank_Master> its global worming
15:29 <xcamel> I'll take it..
15:29 <Tank_Master> lol
15:30 <xcamel> and a little more please..
15:30 <xcamel> damn tired of freexing my a$$ off
15:30 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
15:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 39.6°F / 4.2°C | Humidity: 51% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. High in the lower 40s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low around 20. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Colder. Scattered (1 more message)
15:30 <wdsmia> &more
15:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: flurries. High in the lower 20s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;
15:31 <xcamel> grrr.. stuporbowl
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15:35 <FreeLarry58> k ps didn't help will try the nic card next
15:36 <FreeLarry58> after w/*- tho
15:36 <FreeLarry58> f10 locked up on install and now wont fully boot for next attempt as machine crashing
15:37 * FreeLarry58 really suspects mb
15:41 * Tank_Master thinks an upgrade to win7 might help
15:42 <FreeLarry58> not if machine wont stay running long enough for install
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16:04 <CoderOnTheCouch> thanks DerMeister - I didn't have an existing installation of Visual Studio with any source code control installed. I added AnkhSVN to Visual Studio 2008 for the first time.
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16:09 <MTughan> Well, I reseated my cooler, just doing the break-in period now using Prime95. It seems that the temperatures aren't better than before yet, but they're no worse. So that's good.
16:12 <MTughan> Ah, fan problem... Turned the fan the CPU heatsink's facing up a notch, temps have dropped at least 3C.
16:15 <xcamel> here we burn the dvd, dvd, dvd
16:20 <MTughan> 3-4C per core with just a fan increase. w00t!
16:21 <xcamel> slow burn..
16:21 <xcamel> 3.2gb @ 4.10x
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16:49 <BADarklighter> i got a question if this is the right place to ask
16:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> depends on your question, I guess
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16:51 <BADarklighter> i am attempting to install BOINC onto Fedora 10 system and the manager isnt connecting to the client. how can i fix this
16:52 <MTughan> xcamel: Any insight?
16:53 <MTughan> xcamel tried installing on a F10 system recently. I seem to remember him saying you needed to be using GNOME, it wouldn't work under KDE. What desktop are you using?
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16:53 <MTughan> 'lo efc
16:54 <efc> Hey
16:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> moo
16:54 <BADarklighter> GNOME desktop
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16:55 <BADarklighter> i can get the manager running but it wont connect to the client for some reason
16:57 <MTughan> The obvious question: if the client running?
16:58 <MTughan> is*
16:58 <BADarklighter> how can i check that in fedora?
16:59 <MTughan> Try "ps aux | grep boinc" in a terminal window.
16:59 <BADarklighter> root command ?
16:59 <MTughan> Shouldn't need root, no.
16:59 <BADarklighter> ok
16:59 <BADarklighter> give me a sec
17:00 <BADarklighter> capetsch 2965 0.0 0.1 4212 708 pts/0 S+ 16:00 0:00 grep boinc
17:00 <BADarklighter> thats what comes up
17:01 <BADarklighter> do i need to download the development files ?
17:01 <MTughan> Well, it seems that the client isn't running. How are you starting the manager? And how did you install it?
17:03 <BADarklighter> i installed it thought the add/remove software, searched and downloaded the client and manager. when it was finnished it asked if i wanted to run the manager and i clicked yes.
17:03 <MTughan> All right... So through the package manager.
17:04 <MTughan> Hold on, let me boot my F10 VM, see if I can't figure out how it's supposed to start.
17:04 <BADarklighter> ok
17:04 <BADarklighter> im really new to linux... installed it on an older system about 3 days ago
17:04 <BADarklighter> sorry if this is something really trivial
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17:05 <MTughan> No problem. It's possible the client is configured to start on startup, and you just need to restart. I've never used the package on Fedora, so I have to confirm that.
17:05 <Niklas_E> anyone know if 6.4.5 is broken for gentoo?
17:06 <BADarklighter> ok i uninstalled it and reinstalled just the client and manager. ill restart and see what happens
17:07 <BADarklighter> be right back. ill type that command in again and see what happens
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17:08 <MTughan> Yep, it seems to be installed as a startup item...
17:08 <MTughan> Oops.
17:08 <Niklas_E> &whatis gentoo
17:08 <Romulus> Niklas_E: Error: No factoid matches that key.
17:09 <MTughan> Niklas_E: What makes you think 6.4.5 is broken? Is it something BOINC is doing?
17:09 <Niklas_E> welll it won't install under gentoo.
17:10 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
17:10 <MTughan> That seems to be trying to build the example applications... Are you compiling the client, application libraries, or the server?
17:10 <Niklas_E> maybe is it just the ebuild (hopefully)
17:11 <Niklas_E> should build the server and client.
17:11 <Niklas_E> that is X and server
17:12 <MTughan> Is this from a package manager or equivalent? (I don't use Gentoo, so I don't know what it uses)
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17:12 <BADarklighter> ok rebooted
17:13 <Niklas_E> well, I thinks it uses it's own package manager, and compileing it
17:14 <BADarklighter> slightly different output this time
17:14 <BADarklighter> capetsch 2694 0.0 0.1 4212 700 pts/0 S+ 16:12 0:00 grep boinc
17:14 <BADarklighter> still dont think its running
17:15 <MTughan> No, it isn't. I got it running here, but I had to start it manually... Looks like it may be a package install bug.
17:15 <MTughan> Also had to do a slight amount of configuration before it would run.
17:16 <BADarklighter> .... im really not sure how to do that
17:17 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm going to see if I can look up some more information.
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17:17 <MTughan> It's partially a configuration problem and a permissions problem.
17:17 <BADarklighter> is this a bug on the installer or something that is a default issue with Fedora?
17:18 <MTughan> Probably with the installer.
17:19 <BADarklighter> ok
17:20 <MTughan> But to just get BOINC running... I'll give you a couple commands in a minute or so. They'll all have to be done as root, but it's only a one time thing.
17:21 <BADarklighter> ok
17:21 <MTughan> Hmm, if they worked...
17:32 <BADarklighter> any luck?
17:32 <MTughan> Just reading up... Apparently, this is how it's supposed to work, oddly enough.
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17:33 <MTughan> Well, I'll walk you through the basic configuration.
17:33 <BADarklighter> ok
17:33 <MTughan> As root, you'll want to edit /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg to a password you can remember. This will be what's used by the manager to the client.
17:34 <MTughan> Actually, hold off on that...
17:35 <MTughan> That's what I was missing...
17:35 <MTughan> Well, if you edited the file already, that's fine. It'll work either way.
17:36 <BADarklighter> havent yet
17:36 <MTughan> All right.
17:36 <MTughan> As root: "chmod 0640 /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg"
17:37 <BADarklighter> ummm.....
17:37 <BADarklighter> chmod: cannot access `/var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg': No such file or directory
17:37 <MTughan> As yourself: "ln -s /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg ~"
17:37 <MTughan> Hmm...
17:37 <MTughan> Does the directory /var/lib/boinc exist?
17:38 <BADarklighter> checking now
17:38 <MTughan> "ls -l /var/lib/boinc" will tell you.
17:38 <BADarklighter> yes but theres nothing there
17:38 <MTughan> Oh, I know why... Stupid me.
17:39 <MTughan> As root: "/sbin/chkconfig boinc-client on"
17:39 <MTughan> That'll make BOINC start when your computer starts up.
17:39 <MTughan> Then for a quick start without having to restart, as root: "/sbin/service boinc-client start"
17:40 <BADarklighter> comes up with a lot of failed to make system link and a few permission denyed
17:40 <BADarklighter> wait
17:40 <MTughan> Make sure you do it as root, not yourself.
17:41 <BADarklighter> ok
17:41 <BADarklighter> done
17:41 <MTughan> The "/sbin/service boinc-client start" too?
17:42 <BADarklighter> ok
17:42 <MTughan> All right...
17:42 <BADarklighter> it tells me that there are no projects attached.. obviously
17:42 <MTughan> As root: "chmod 0640 /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg"
17:42 <BADarklighter> says starting boinc clint as damenon
17:42 <MTughan> As yourself: "ln -s /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg ~"
17:42 <MTughan> Yep, that's fine.
17:43 <BADarklighter> ok done
17:43 <BADarklighter> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/capetsch/gui_rpc_auth.cfg': File exists
17:43 <MTughan> All right, one more thing... You have to add yourself to the boinc group.
17:43 <MTughan> Well, if it already exists, that's fine.
17:44 <BADarklighter> ok
17:44 <BADarklighter> added to the boinc group
17:44 <MTughan> Actually, make sure... "ls -l ~/gui_rpc_auth.cfg" should print something like "gui_rpc_auth.cfg -> /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg". Does it?
17:45 <BADarklighter> -rw------- 1 root root 32 2009-02-01 15:44 /home/capetsch/gui_rpc_auth.cfg
17:46 <MTughan> Hmm... Well, let's rename it for now. It doesn't seem to be the right one.
17:46 <BADarklighter> ok
17:46 <MTughan> As root: "mv ~/gui_rpc_auth.cfg ~/gui_rpc_auth_old.cfg"
17:46 <MTughan> Needs to be root because the file's owned by root.
17:47 <BADarklighter> ok complete
17:47 <MTughan> Do "ln -s /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg ~" again.
17:48 <BADarklighter> as root?
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17:48 <MTughan> Sorry, dunno what happened there...
17:48 <MTughan> No, doesn't need to be root.
17:48 <BADarklighter> ok : ln: creating symbolic link `/home/capetsch/gui_rpc_auth.cfg': File exists
17:49 <MTughan> Do the ls -l on the file again?
17:49 <BADarklighter> -rw------- 1 root root 32 2009-02-01 15:44 /home/capetsch/gui_rpc_auth.cfg
17:50 <BADarklighter> am i doing something wrong ?
17:50 <MTughan> You did do "mv ~/gui_rpc_auth.cfg ~/gui_rpc_auth_old.cfg"
17:50 <MTughan> , right?
17:50 <BADarklighter> yes
17:50 <BADarklighter> as root
17:50 <MTughan> What does "ls -l ~/gui_rpc_auth_old.cfg" say?
17:51 <BADarklighter> as root: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2009-02-01 16:42 /root/gui_rpc_auth_old.cfg -> /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg
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17:52 <MTughan> Odd, that's what I was looking for before...
17:52 <BADarklighter> afk switching laundry over.. brb
17:52 <MTughan> Oh, wait.
17:53 <MTughan> Sorry, didn't mean wait for me.
17:54 <MTughan> As root: "mv /home/capetsch/gui_rpc_auth.cfg /home/capetsch/gui_rpc_auth_old.cfg", then "ln -s /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg /home/capetsch"
17:54 <MTughan> Forgot that ~ points to a different directory as root. :P
17:55 <BADarklighter> ok. comands complete
17:55 <MTughan> Good. Now, there's just one more thing.
17:55 <MTughan> System->Administration->Users and Groups
17:56 <BADarklighter> ok
17:56 <MTughan> Enter your root password in the prompt, then click your name in the list, and click Properties in the toolbar at the top.
17:56 <MTughan> Go to the Groups tab, and check the box to the left of "boinc".
17:57 <MTughan> After that, log out and log back in, and it should work.
17:57 <BADarklighter> ok
17:57 <BADarklighter> give me a second and ill let you know
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17:57 <MTughan> Well, that was fun...
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18:00 <MTughan> xcamel: I can't reach lledgerock.com.
18:04 <BADarklighter> where did you find those directions at?
18:04 <MTughan> What, for editing and such?
18:05 <BADarklighter> editing and fixing BOINC like that ?
18:05 <MTughan> Part of it was my own experience, and then I also combined instructions from http://boinc.berkely.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Fedora
18:05 <BADarklighter> incase i have to use do it again
18:05 <KathrynM> One more reason not to use the package manager :-)
18:05 <MTughan> I misspelled berkeley... :P
18:05 <KathrynM> mornin
18:06 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy
18:06 <KathrynM> I have sound again.
18:06 <KathrynM> latest kernel seemed to fix that bug.
18:06 <MTughan> Very nice. :)
18:06 * CoderOnTheCouch waves to KathrynM
18:06 <KathrynM> yup
18:06 <KathrynM> KathrynM waves to CoderOnTheCouch
18:07 <MTughan> KathrynM: Try "/me waves to CoderOnTheCouch"
18:07 <BADarklighter> thank you so much
18:07 <KathrynM> I knew that :)
18:07 <KathrynM> brain isn't quite awake yet
18:08 <MTughan> BADarklighter: No problem. I normally install using just the binary tars (or whatever they use) from the site, this was my first experience with the packages. :P
18:08 <KathrynM> I'll trade my Monday morning for someone's Sunday evening.
18:08 <MTughan> Not anytime soon! xD
18:08 <BADarklighter> i have no clue how to do any of this ... think its time go invest 50 bucks on either linux bible or fedora bible
18:09 <BADarklighter> will this make it start on boot as well?
18:09 <MTughan> lol... BADarklighter: Most of my experience is just fooling around, and then Googling for when I want to do something else that I don't know how to do yet.
18:09 <MTughan> The /sbin/chkconfig command seems to make it start on startup, from what I can tell of the files it edited.
18:09 <BADarklighter> i can fool around on windows but linux ... im still timid
18:10 <MTughan> There's not a huge amount you can do to the system while not root. As root... Well, there's more. :)
18:10 <xcamel> root=god
18:10 <MTughan> I once deleted the kernel on my Mac by having a typo while as root.
18:10 <xcamel> usually means wrecking wverything...
18:11 <MTughan> xcamel: lledgerock.com seems to be down.
18:11 <KathrynM> Believe me, it's pretty hard to really break anything if you're not root.
18:11 <MTughan> Except your own account. Maybe make another account that you can just play around in and scrap if you f*** something up.
18:11 <KathrynM> And if you're editing config files, well, make sure there are no typos before you reboot.
18:12 <KathrynM> Kernel panic anyone?
18:12 <MTughan> xD
18:12 <BADarklighter> is that were the "i am root, obey me" comes from ?
18:12 <KathrynM> But even that was easily fixed by booting to a LiveCD.
18:12 <MTughan> Dunno if I've ever caused a kernel panic with config files, but I've screwed up X.
18:12 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Sandwich (at www.xkcd.com)
18:13 <xcamel> tell me something I didn't know, Mike..
18:13 <MTughan> "sudo <command>" is used to run <command> as root from any other account without having to switch to root beforehand.
18:13 <BADarklighter> LOL
18:13 <BADarklighter> thasts fun'
18:13 <meglaw_> xkcd <3
18:14 <BADarklighter> su is all ive been using .. dont know any other way
18:14 <MTughan> By default, sudo requires a bit of configuration on Fedora, but it's used all the time on Ubuntu.
18:14 <KathrynM> that xkcd is great
18:15 <MTughan> He says it's the most popular one he's ever done... I believe him. :P
18:16 <BADarklighter> i thought about installing Ubuntu but went with Fedora for the security ..
18:16 <MTughan> Both are quite secure. I've just always used Fedora for a primarly Linux OS. Using Win7 beta for now.
18:16 <xcamel> I'm trying to reinstall fc8 on a server... not much luck so far..
18:17 <MTughan> And for reference... I started with Fedora Core 4 or 5. Long time ago.
18:18 <KathrynM> I ended up with Fedora because the person helping me was a Fedora person. It was kinda difficult for me to translate some of the RH speak to Deb speak. I'm happy with my decision.
18:19 <BADarklighter> as long as i register the clients under my name. all the computers i install it on will register on my account correct?
18:19 <xcamel> I had a nicely bulletproof system - until the LVM took a powder...
18:21 <MTughan> BADarklighter: If I understand you right, not quite.
18:22 <MTughan> First, you create an account on a project using an email address and password. When you attach subsequent clients to that project, you select that you have an existing account there, and enter that email address and password again.
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18:27 <BADarklighter> right
18:28 <BADarklighter> but if i attach under the same email on multiple computers will it all register under that account?
18:28 <MTughan> Yes.
18:28 <MTughan> Any project you're attaching to specifically?
18:32 <xcamel> looks like I have a fair chance of spitting out a good FC10 dvd
18:32 <BADarklighter> seti for the time being .... i cant spare much more processor power at the moment.. im working on puting up a dedicated BOINC computer with the intent of thats all it will do day in and day out
18:33 <Romulus> Title: Please log in (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
18:33 <BADarklighter> i dont know if i want to run Linux or Windows on it though. ive heard linux offeres better processing times though
18:33 <MTughan> Yep. You sign in there and you can see your stats, including computers, the workunits your computers have computed, and any problems they may have encountered.
18:34 <BADarklighter> back at it again after 6 months of being down... first time sence 2001 sence i havent processeed any units
18:35 <MTughan> Heh. I just switched from a P4 I had been crunching with since May 2005 to a Core 2 Quad. Huge jump in processing power, not including the 33% overclock I've applied. xD
18:36 <KathrynM> yay! simap has work
18:36 <BADarklighter> used to use a FX-60 oced but the motherboard broke now i have to RMA it and then that one will be back up and runnign again ... wanna see if i can conviece asus to sell me a cupple more for backups and one to use for the FX-53 i used to run for the boinc one i was telling you about. probably turn this old clunker into a sonicwall firewall
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18:40 <BADarklighter> if i close down the manager will the client still be running in the background ?
18:40 <MTughan> Yes.
18:41 <BADarklighter> cool so that doesnt change
18:57 <jasong> Okay, someone explain to me why, with all the computing power in the world today, we can't have composite angles during a football challenge.
18:58 <jasong> Makes no sense to me
18:58 <Killerbong> cos fotball (all big sports) is the means of keeping the public stupid and dumb.
18:58 <Killerbong> smart ppl dont waste energy on it unless it pays.
18:58 <jasong> ah, now that makes sense
18:59 <jasong> In a way, that's the explanation I give for the existence of Windows
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19:09 <xcamel> close enough on winduhs
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19:24 <KathrynM> laters. off to the germ factory
19:25 <MTughan> Seeya KathrynM.
19:49 <CoderOnTheCouch> late ditto
20:01 * CoderOnTheCouch slams the laptop closed
20:02 <CoderOnTheCouch> gn from here
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20:09 <zombie67> does project reset, reset the LTD?
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21:51 <Soul_keeper> Take that BHO !!! cardinals take the lead !
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22:11 <Soul_keeper> bla
22:27 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you get all you systems running now ?
22:28 <MTughan> Yes.
22:28 <Soul_keeper> good
22:40 <MTughan> The quad won't be 24/7 for a while though. Need to cycle it to let the thermal paste set, and I'll be overclocking further. With a 4-5C drop across all cores already, I have more headroom.
22:53 <Soul_keeper> cool
22:55 <zombie67> pirates won't give any work to 6.6.0
22:55 <zombie67> grrrr
22:55 <Soul_keeper> butt pirates ?
22:55 <zombie67> 6.6.3 is completely broken
22:56 <zombie67> bone smugglers!
22:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm still using 6.5.0 it has a few bugs, but they are minor
22:56 <jasong> Has anyone ever used RFID to keep from losing stuff? I figure it'd be easier to run around with a scanner told to beep when it detects a certain tag then to search for the same item, especially if the item is buried in one of 10 billion boxes
22:56 <zombie67> yeah, but I just moved all my machines back to 6.6.0
22:56 * jasong is just killing time
22:56 * MTughan uses 6.2.19
22:56 <zombie67> and it is a long painful process, since cels and aqua don't checkpoint
22:57 <zombie67> and they are LONG tasks
22:57 <Soul_keeper> jasong, i'd do that if i could afford it, i wish i could Search for text in my house like on a computer
22:57 <Soul_keeper> reading paperback books makes me angry anymore, just because of the no search feature
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23:32 <jasong> Soul_keeper, did you hear that Amazon may be releasing a new e-reader on the 9th?
23:32 <Soul_keeper> yeah
23:32 <Soul_keeper> they cost about as much as a laptop ...
23:32 <jasong> Well, if it's color and can be written on, I might buy it
23:33 <jasong> Not immediately, though, I need more of a cushion for my finances
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23:53 <jasong> Is there a compression method that can decrease the size of video files?
23:54 <Soul_keeper> not really
23:55 <Soul_keeper> unless you convert them to a more compressed format
23:55 <Soul_keeper> most compression will just compress the header or whatever small amount of text is in the video file, saving very little
23:56 <jasong> That's what I figured, but I also figured it would be a good idea to ask
23:59 <Soul_keeper> i wish i didn't have holes in my pants/shirt ...