IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-02-03

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01:59 <Soul_keeper> MTughan,

01:59 <Romulus> Title: stats (at

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03:42 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

03:42 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.50in / 999hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 9:20 AM CET; Overcast. High:39 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:26 F.; Overcast. High:37 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:41 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F.;

04:10 <Soul_keeper> w00t !!!

04:10 <Soul_keeper>

04:10 <Romulus> Title: statsstatsstats (at

04:10 <ELGono> moo SK

04:10 <Soul_keeper> yo

04:11 <Soul_keeper> like my little cgi script ?

04:11 <ELGono> it's growing ;)

04:12 <ELGono> and yes i like it

04:13 <ELGono> but i would prefer some mrtg-like stats ... with history

04:14 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'll likely implement something like that next

04:14 <Soul_keeper> that will require periodic polling

04:15 <Soul_keeper> like every 1 second or 10 ...

04:15 <ELGono> rrdstats is cool

04:15 <Soul_keeper> i bet

04:16 <ELGono> but of course i like yours too, cause it's selfmade ;)

04:19 <Soul_keeper> yeah i won't know how many cpu cycles 1 second polling will take untill i try it, i suspect it wouldn't be so bad

04:21 <Soul_keeper> just throw the info in a DB containing the last 30 days or whatever i guess

04:22 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 23.0F / -5.0C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - A chance of snow early this morning...then snow late this morning and afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Highs in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Tonight - (2 more messages)

04:23 <CoderForLife> &more

04:23 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Cloudy. Snow likely in the evening...then a chance of snow showers after midnight. Little additional accumulation. Lows 10 to 15. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent. Wind chill values as low as 2 below.; Wednesday - Cloudy. A chance of snow showers...mainly in the morning. Highs in the lower 20s. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up (1 more message)

04:23 <CoderForLife> &more

04:23 <Romulus> CoderForLife: to 25 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent. Wind chill as low as 5 below.; Winter Weather Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 10:00 PM EST on February 03, 2009;

04:26 <efc> &wx 31088

04:26 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 33F / 1C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Windy. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 15 to 25 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Windy. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny...windy. Highs in the lower 40s. (1 more message)

04:27 <efc> &more

04:27 <Romulus> efc: Northwest winds 20 to 30 mph.; Wind Advisory for Houston County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on February 04, 2009;

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04:28 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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04:49 <CoderForLife> b

04:50 <Tidus> wb and re-hi

04:50 <CoderForLife> hello Tidus

04:50 <ELGono> moo cfl & tidus

04:50 <Tidus> howdy

04:50 <Tidus> been out for a bit... laptop shot the hard drive

04:50 <CoderForLife> hi ELGono

04:51 <CoderForLife> sounds like a murder mystery

05:08 <quail> &wx ypad

05:08 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 79°F / 26°C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM CST; Clear. High:87 F.; Clear. Low:68 F.; Clear. High:95 F.; Clear. Low:69 F.; Clear. High:91 F.; Clear. Low:66 F.;

05:20 <ELGono> yo dale

05:21 <Tidus> hi quail

05:21 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

05:21 <Tidus> time for me to sleep before w*&^ tomorrow

05:21 <CoderForLife> bbiab - hiya quail

05:25 <ELGono>

05:25 <Romulus> <> (at

05:25 <ELGono> well off to lunch, laterz

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06:05 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

06:05 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:06 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

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06:12 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:12 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: -0.2F / -17.9C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.35in / 1027.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Very cold. High around 10. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the morning. Lowest wind chill readings 15 to 20 below in the morning.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Very cold. Low 5 to 10 below. (1 more message)

06:12 <CoderForLife> &kick CoderOnTheCouch

06:12 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Error: You don't have the #boinc,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

06:12 <wdsmia> &more

06:12 <Romulus> wdsmia: Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. Very cold. High 15 to 20. Northwest wind around 5 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 10:00 AM CST on February 03, 2009;

06:13 <CoderForLife> hmm

06:13 <CoderForLife> &kick CoderOnTheCouch

06:13 <CoderForLife> &kick CoderOnTheCouch

06:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Error: You don't have the #boinc,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

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06:14 <CoderForLife> *$#

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06:14 <CoderForLife> why can't I kick?

06:14 <CoderForLife> nm - off to w@#%

06:15 <wdsmia> because your trying to run a script on rommie

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06:15 <CoderForLife> oh, slash kick

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06:15 <CoderForLife> sorry

06:16 <CoderForLife> it's going to be a great day - I can sense these things coming

06:16 <wdsmia> lol

06:19 <CoderOnTheCouch> I thought I shut this down last night

06:19 <CoderOnTheCouch> on the rims and out the door

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06:24 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

06:25 <hawmps> spork >>

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06:33 <kathryn_> ugh, the movie version of James and the Giant Peach just sucks

06:33 <hawmps> 'mornin Doug

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06:33 <hawmps> 'lo K

06:33 <KathrynM> hiya

06:38 <KathrynM> ugh, horrible doesn't even begin to describe it.

06:38 <KathrynM> and I gotta show this in a class

06:38 <hawmps> looking deeply into the liberal mind?

06:39 <KathrynM> maybe if I had seen the movie before reading the book, it would be ok.

06:39 <KathrynM> but the book is better by a factor of about 100000000000000

06:49 <hawmps> typical

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07:33 <hawmps> &wx 12020

07:33 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 27.0F / -2.8C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow this morning...then a slight chance of snow this afternoon. Highs around 30. North winds around 15 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow in the evening. (1 more message)

07:33 <hawmps> &more

07:33 <Romulus> hawmps: Lows around 12. North winds 10 to 15 mph...diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Cold with highs in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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08:22 <CoderForLife> spork issued - thanks hawmps

08:23 <CoderForLife> hello hawmps wdsmia_w KathrynM

08:25 <CoderForLife> eek - back to w@#%ing

08:25 <CoderForLife> re-laterz

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09:16 <Soul_keeper> free breakfasts at denny's today :)

09:26 <hawmps> reason?

09:26 <Romulus> hmm... reason is probably that it's lacking a shebang, hawmps

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10:43 <MTughan> "Wine (the Windows not-an-emulator for Unix) runs Windows applications more often than not. (Certainly more often than Vista does.)"

10:52 <hawmps> lol

10:54 <MTughan> Cool...

10:54 <Romulus> <> (at

10:55 <MTughan> "Students call space station with home-built radio"

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12:04 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news February 3, 2009

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12:38 <hawmps> spork >>

12:39 <MTughan> Ouch... DRAM prices jumped 26% today over the bankruptcy of Qimonda.

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12:52 <MTughan> rofl...

12:52 <Romulus> <> (at

12:52 <MTughan> In my team on WCG, I'm at position 666. xD

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13:32 <Tank_Master-> MT!

13:32 <Tank_Master-> nice position

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15:53 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:14 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:14 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 26.0F / -3.3C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of light snow this evening...then a slight chance of snow after midnight. Lows around 11. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the (1 more message)

16:14 <xcamel> &more

16:14 <Romulus> xcamel: lower 20s. Northwest winds around 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Cold with lows around 6 above. Northwest winds around 10 mph.;

16:15 <MTughan> 'lo jay

16:20 <xcamel> Hi Mike

16:20 <xcamel> slow but sure restoration of my server...

16:21 <MTughan> Gah, how the heck did my quad only generate 689 credits yesterday? It's been crunching for at least 2 days now... >_>

16:23 <xcamel> if backupedge reinstalled correctly, I might do the rest of it from tape

16:24 <xcamel> all this reinflating .bz2's is nuts...

16:24 <MTughan> Most people stick the files in a tar, and then bz2 it... Not the other way around.

16:25 * FreeLarry58 looks at vista machine and is amazed - after a week of continual crashes it stayed up in safe mode for almost 12 hrs

16:26 * MTughan is getting flooded with MW tasks after unsuspending it...

16:28 <xcamel> agreed..

16:30 <MTughan> From what I can tell, 48 tasks in all...

16:30 <MTughan> 4 * 12.

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17:34 <xcamel> oh well.. that all blew up horribly

17:35 <MTughan> Some of the bunzips are corrupted?

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17:39 <xcamel> and other things.. I guess I didn't extract it exactly correctly

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17:42 <xcamel> the oddity of having all the bzipped files inside the tar

17:43 <xcamel> but I did find my microlite license :-)

17:44 <MTughan> Microlite?

17:44 <MTughan> Your backup program?

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17:51 <xcamel> yeah

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17:55 <MTughan> 'lo PovAdct_es

17:56 <PovAdct_es> hi

17:56 <PovAdct_es> &seen KathrynM

17:56 <Romulus> PovAdct_es: KathrynM was last seen in #boinc 11 hours, 17 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <KathrynM> but the book is better by a factor of about 100000000000000

17:57 <MTughan> Talking about a comparison between the book "James and the Giant Peach" and the movie.

17:58 <MTughan> Notice it is 8AM there too. Depending on what she's doing today, she may still be sleeping.

18:00 <PovAdct_es> jay's irc logs are down

18:00 <MTughan> His site's been down for a couple days now at least. I've prodded him a couple times about it.

18:01 <MTughan> Jay just finished complaining about his backup though. Seems some of his bunzips are corrupted.

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18:03 <xcamel> back to that basic fc7 install...

18:03 <Nickuwo> mmm, drupal

18:04 <MTughan> 'lo Nickuwo

18:04 <Nickuwo> Hey MT

18:04 <xcamel> working out a better restore solution...

18:04 <xcamel> 'lo Nick

18:04 <Nickuwo> hey camel

18:05 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:06 <Nickuwo> ello

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18:31 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:31 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 11.2F / -11.6C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Very cold. Low 5 to 10 below. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. High 15 to 20. West wind around 5 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear. Not as cold. Low (1 more message)

18:31 <wdsmia> &more

18:31 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 15. South wind 5 to 15 mph.;

18:38 * KathrynM groans

18:40 <MTughan>

18:40 <Romulus> <> (at

18:41 <Nickuwo> those are mad skillz

18:41 <MTughan> lol

18:41 <KathrynM> lol

18:41 <KathrynM> can I put that on my resume too?

18:41 <KathrynM> and chown

18:42 <KathrynM> and chgrp

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18:51 <CoderForLife> home

18:51 <CoderForLife> 2 hrs to go 7 miles

18:51 <MTughan> Major accident?

18:51 <CoderForLife> our predicted 1" turned into 8"

18:52 <MTughan> Even worse...

18:52 <MTughan> Snow, rain, or ice?

18:52 <FreeLarry58> lol kind of what happened last month to me CoderForLife

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18:58 <KathrynM> 6 inches of partly cloudy.  sounds like Cleveland weather

18:58 * KathrynM wonders if anyone would notice if she wore her pajamas to w@%#

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19:10 <CoderForLife> out to do battle

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19:25 <xcamel_> well that was exciting..

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19:29 <xcamel> just verifying the tape contents prior to restore..

19:38 <MTughan> KathrynM: Heh. Depends on how they look.

19:45 <xcamel> here goes the backup..

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20:11 <wdsmia> just about time for a I/O error Jay

20:12 <MTughan> lol

20:12 <MTughan> Way to be encouragin...

20:12 <MTughan> encouraging*

20:12 <wdsmia> Murphy Rules

20:13 <MTughan> Ah, Murphy rears his ugly head again...

20:13 <xcamel> gotta love the support here...

20:16 <xcamel> 230,000 files so far...

20:16 <wdsmia> 2nd rule of the channel... you get no sympathy here

20:16 <xcamel> I'll remember that..

20:17 <efc> moo

20:18 <MTughan> 'lo efc

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20:21 <jasong> You want lack of sympathy, try being a Christian in #distributed.  Bunch of wolves over there, and bigoted by my estimation

20:25 <wdsmia> sux 2BU

20:26 <jasong> Nah, I just don't go there anymore

20:26 <wdsmia> who was talking about #distributed?

20:27 <wdsmia> j/k lol

20:38 * MTughan likes his copy of VirtualBox and Fedora... 32 seconds to load from when I start the VM, and that's counting 2-3 seconds for VirtualBox's "BIOS."

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20:53 <CoderForLife> well - that'll wear a body down

20:54 <wdsmia> got a bit of Iowa weather did you?

20:54 <CoderForLife> quite enuf, ty

20:55 <CoderForLife> much of this, and I'll need an equipment upgrade

20:55 <wdsmia> Know the feeling

20:56 <CoderForLife> 300 feet of 8-15" white misery

20:56 <CoderForLife> "up to an inch" they said this morning

20:57 <CoderForLife> "over the course of 2 days"

20:57 <CoderForLife> at one point, it was laying down about 2 inches per hour

20:57 <CoderForLife> for at least a couple of hours

20:58 <CoderForLife> the snow was falling so fast

20:58 * wdsmia wishes he had a job where he could be wrong 90% of the time and still keep his job

20:58 <CoderForLife> that the windshield was recovered at each swipe of the windshield wipers

20:59 <CoderForLife> left - *covered* - right - *covered*

21:00 <wdsmia> 2nd rule of the channel... you get no sympathy here

21:00 <CoderForLife> =P

21:00 <MTughan> I feel for you CoderForLife... xD

21:00 <CoderForLife> see?

21:01 <CoderForLife> well - with that send-off, I'll go flop in the bed

21:01 <CoderForLife> gn

21:01 <wdsmia> &nn

21:01 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

21:02 <MTughan> Night CFL.

21:13 <jasong> question:  Are CoderforLife and CoderontheCouch the same person?

21:14 <MTughan> Yes.

21:14 <MTughan> There's also CoderOnTheRoad, and I'm not sure how many others there are.

21:41 <jasong> I'm reading about them deciding where the 2018 World Cup is going to happen and I'm confused about something...

21:42 <jasong> They say that no World Cup can happen on the same continent where any of the past two have happened, but then they specifically mention South America

21:42 <jasong> Not to be stupid, but I thought America was all one continent

21:42 <jasong> Do they have a separate definition for what they consider to be a continent?

21:43 <MTughan> North America is either Canada to the US, or Canada to Panama. If the former, Central America is Mexico to Panama. I believe that's how it goes.

21:44 <MTughan> South America is everything south of Panama, from Brazil to Argentina and Chile.

21:44 <jasong> so, by their definition of continents, how many are there in the world?

21:44 <MTughan> North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and Antartica. I believe Central America isn't generally a recognized continent.

21:44 * jasong just realized Antarctica probably wouldn't be included

21:44 <MTughan> So 7.

21:45 <jasong> I'd love to see them host it on Antarctica, lol

21:45 <MTughan> Heh.

21:56 <xcamel> fubar herer, fubar there....

22:00 <jasong> Wow, they're coming up with better ways to make antimatter.  Maybe our problem isn't needing to be more efficient, maybe our problem is deciding whether we want to use batteries, hydrogen, pressurized air, or whatever in our cars

22:01 <Soul_keeper>    got me a new keyboard :)

22:01 <Romulus> <> (at

22:01 <jasong> I like the idea of air cars, if it ruptures you'd have a nasty explosion, but no raging inferno afterwars

22:02 <jasong> Wow, now you can surf  the net in the dark

22:02 <jasong> (not sure why anyone would want to do that, but...)

22:03 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Pic isn't loaded yet, but I think I was looking at that keyboard before... This Logitech was cheaper and included and LCD though, and seemed to be just as good.

22:03 <MTughan> Plus, I had a Razer headset where the cable frayed after 5 months for the headphones, making them useless.

22:03 <jasong> I don't want a keyboard, I want special gloves that respond to finger twitches

22:03 <jasong> no carpal tunnel that way

22:03 <MTughan> Yep, that was the one I was looking at... :D

22:05 <Soul_keeper> well i had the option of   this, saitek, or microsoft (overpriced and no lighting, plus gay)

22:05 <Soul_keeper> figured since it was replacing a saitek that broke, then i'd better get something that won't break :)

22:05 <MTughan> I would never go with a Microsoft keyboard. My dad's had two of them, the first wasn't so bad, but still had problems.

22:05 <MTughan> The second was a piece of junk. Kept dropping the wireless signal.

22:06 <Soul_keeper> they fooled me tho, i saw an american flag on the box and was all excited about buying something "made in the USA"

22:06 <Soul_keeper> wasn't untill i got home that i noticed the small print under the american flag  "made for the USA"  then   "made in china"

22:09 <Soul_keeper> btw boinc stats appears to be updating later than 10pm now ...   after 10:40

22:10 <MTughan> I think the daily got pushed back about an hour after that incident a couple days ago.

22:10 <Soul_keeper> what incident ?

22:11 <MTughan> Basically, something went boom, and the daily wasn't run for a day, and I believe some of the DB was either lost then or in the days after.

22:11 <Soul_keeper> ahh

22:11 <MTughan> You should be able to find the discussion on the forums.

22:12 <Soul_keeper>   i want this now ...

22:12 <Romulus> <> (at

22:12 <Soul_keeper> the keys still aren't lit enough for me

22:12 <MTughan> You need the Razer Tarantula for that...

22:12 <MTughan> I don't think the Lycosa can take it.

22:13 <Soul_keeper> bummer, i could easily make one myself i guess

22:15 <Soul_keeper> i saw the 9800 GTX+ for 126 bucks at best buy

22:15 <Soul_keeper> i gotta wait till my bday before i do anymore upgrades tho ...

22:16 <Soul_keeper> self control, restraint, and all that

22:16 <MTughan> Cheapest I can get a 9800GTX+ for seems to be $230... :(

22:16 <Soul_keeper> ahhh canada

22:17 <MTughan> &currency convert 126 USD to CAD

22:17 <Romulus> MTughan: 126.00 usd = 155.17 cad

22:17 <MTughan> Talk about a ripoff...

22:17 <Soul_keeper> yeah

22:18 <Soul_keeper> USDCAD 1.2312

22:18 <Soul_keeper> USD has gone up it seems

22:18 <MTughan> And the biggest card Best Buy has here is the 9800GT.

22:18 <Soul_keeper> up 6% so far this year

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22:18 <Soul_keeper> i didn't look at the other cards, i didn't wanna get too into it

22:19 <MTughan> Gonna check Newegg and TigerDirect...

22:19 <Soul_keeper> they probably keep the more expensive ones somewhere else behind glass i bet

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22:19 <Soul_keeper> that's what compusa used to do

22:19 <Soul_keeper> anything over 200 or 300 bucks went behind glass

22:20 <MTughan> $185 CDN before shipping for a Sparkle card at Newegg.

22:20 <MTughan> $190 for an MSI card.

22:21 <Soul_keeper> sounds about right

22:21 <Soul_keeper> i guess best buy has some deals to compete with CC's liquidation

22:22 <MTughan> $190CDN from TigerDirect.

22:22 <MTughan> At least that's for an XFX card...

22:22 <Soul_keeper> does ship to canada

22:22 <Soul_keeper> ?

22:22 <MTughan> No idea.

22:22 <Soul_keeper> they have good video card deals sometimes

22:23 <Soul_keeper> i think i bought a book from them once

22:23 <MTughan> " ships within the continental United States, Alaska and Hawaii only. At this time we are unable to process International shipments and orders going to Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands."

22:23 <Soul_keeper> ahh

22:24 <Soul_keeper> i don't understand what the problem is shipping to canada

22:24 <Soul_keeper> these companies need to get their act together

22:24 <MTughan> Considering I think they use USPS.

22:24 <MTughan> Ah, and UPS.

22:24 <MTughan> "There are certain restrictions on exporting certain kinds of technology outside of the United States. These restrictions complicate or prevent our suppliers from shipping products to APO/FPO mailboxes. We are working on finding ways to solve this fulfillment inconvenience and in the meantime we apologize and hope you understand."

22:25 <MTughan> Like the export restrictions on encryption?

22:25 <Soul_keeper> they just can't ship to citizens/countries that are known sponsors of terrorism

22:25 <Soul_keeper> yeah

22:25 <Soul_keeper> that's just their excuse for being lazy

22:25 <MTughan> Holy sh*t, I really need to overclock this proc... 45C under full load of 1x ABC, 1x MW, and 2x WCG.

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22:26 <Soul_keeper> i had a school teacher once that used to sale pc's

22:27 <Soul_keeper> he got an order for 130 pc's from some country in the middle east

22:27 <Soul_keeper> and just before he was gonna ship it out the government gave him a call

22:27 <MTughan> What did they say?

22:28 <Soul_keeper> they told him he better not make that shipment

22:28 <jasong> That would suck. 130 pcs is a big chunk of change

22:28 <Soul_keeper> yeah

22:29 <MTughan> I love having 8GB of RAM... I had a virtual machine running which I forgot about, and didn't notice anything at all in the OS.

22:29 <Soul_keeper> guess they probably ended up buying from some other country, another lost buck for the US

22:29 <MTughan> As is often the case.

22:29 <MTughan> Like the trade embargo with Cuba?

22:29 <Soul_keeper> i guess

22:30 <Soul_keeper> if we took down the cuba trade embargo it would likely benefit them much more than us tho

22:30 <Soul_keeper> we'd just be buying a bunch of sugar and cigars

22:30 <MTughan> Sugar is useful.

22:31 <jasong> Transmission client is bugging the crap out of me. 10 million ways to list the data, and not one of them is a choice that lists them according to what will finish downloading first

22:31 <Soul_keeper> i like transmission because of it's simplicity

22:31 <jasong> There are only 3 incomplete downloads, but the whole first to download thing seems so obvious that I'm annoyed

22:32 <Soul_keeper> full featured/bloated things annoy me

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22:32 <jasong> Yes, but full featured and bloated is what keeps Bill Gates coffers filled ;)

22:35 <Soul_keeper> there is always bittornado

22:37 <jasong> I might try that, right now I'm in that mood where I refuse to do anything productive

22:38 <zombie67> wow.  6.6.4 is even WORSE

22:38 <zombie67> does project reset the LTD?

22:39 <jasong> 6.6.4 of what?

22:39 <Soul_keeper> LTD ?

22:39 <Romulus> LTD is -26960, Soul_keeper

22:39 <jasong> oh boinc

22:39 <MTughan> Long term debt.

22:39 <zombie67> heh....kinda the point of this channel....  ;)  hard to remember sometimes

22:40 <Soul_keeper> i'd thing it would

22:40 <MTughan> lol, we're using BOINC specific terms in a BOINC specific channel, and we're scratching our heads.

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22:40 <Soul_keeper> acronyms make me angry sometimes :)

22:40 <zombie67> nenver share your pot with someone who has the lung capacity of a dolphin  - conan obrien

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22:41 <zombie67> so, besides guessing, does anyone know for sure?

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22:42 <Soul_keeper> could always check,

22:43 <zombie67> what size queue does everyone here use?  I alternate between .5 and 1 day

22:44 <MTughan> Pretty much the same here.

22:44 <MTughan> Man, it must be cold in here... 17-25C across all cores when idle, and still dropping. :P

22:45 <zombie67> on one hand, I want a LEAN queue, so if a project with only occasional work issues some, I can get as much as possible by then jumping up my queue size

22:45 <zombie67> I wish there was some way to do that automatically

22:46 <Soul_keeper> yes it does reset LTD

22:46 <Soul_keeper> i just verified

22:46 <zombie67> cool!  Thanks!!

22:47 <Soul_keeper> <long_term_debt>62038.207916</long_term_debt>      became    <long_term_debt>10339.701319</long_term_debt>

22:47 <Soul_keeper> if that's considered resetting ....

22:48 <zombie67> who can tell, they change the numbering scheme with every release

22:48 <MTughan> It's a factor of 1/6.

22:48 <zombie67> "let's do negatives this release!"

22:48 <Soul_keeper> reset again and it became    <long_term_debt>1723.283553</long_term_debt>

22:49 <zombie67> *snort*

22:49 <Soul_keeper> don't seem like  there is any sense to it's logic

22:49 <zombie67> and THAT is why the scheduling is broken

22:50 <zombie67> which version are you using?

22:50 <Soul_keeper> 6.5.0

22:50 <Soul_keeper> hmmm wait

22:50 <zombie67> heh, and that's WAY better than 6.6.0, which is WAY better than 6.6.3, which is WWWWAAAAYYYY better than 6.6.4

22:50 <Soul_keeper> 6.3.5 boinc manager tho

22:51 <Soul_keeper> not sure if the logic is in the manager or the client

22:52 <Soul_keeper> i got no reason to upgrade the gui/manager on this box since i don't need cuda

22:52 <zombie67> want to know who REALLY loves you?  Put your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car for an hour.  When you open it up, who is actually glad to see you?

22:53 <zombie67> got lots of BRaTS

22:53 <Soul_keeper>   sun released 64-bit java apparently

22:53 <Romulus> <> (at

22:55 <zombie67> wow....what's the point?

22:56 <MTughan> Because I downloaded the 64-bit version of Java at first without realizing it was heavily crippled.

22:57 <zombie67> i mean, does java need 64 bit memory?

22:57 <MTughan> Also, I am testing at 3.267GHz now...

22:57 <zombie67> testing what?

22:57 <MTughan> Maybe not yet, but if it's possible to do native 64-bit calculations in Java, it'd help speed considerably.

22:57 <MTughan> CPU overclock.

22:57 <zombie67> what CPU?

22:58 <MTughan> Q6600, G0 stepping.

22:59 <zombie67> nice.  I have an original QX6700.  I think I got it up to 3.4ghz

22:59 <zombie67> I run it at 3.0 now

22:59 <zombie67> too fragile

23:00 <MTughan> This one was quite stable at 3.18GHz, but I reseated the cooler a couple days ago, and saw a 4-5C drop across all cores fairly quickly.

23:00 <MTughan> That was the only thing stopping me going further really. I hadn't tried much else.

23:01 <zombie67> you have a good HS?

23:01 <MTughan> Zalman 9500.

23:02 <zombie67> not bad

23:02 <zombie67> good enough

23:02 <zombie67> good grease?

23:02 <MTughan> Arctic Silver 5.

23:02 <zombie67> the best

23:03 <zombie67> last thing...make sure the box itself has good fans and airflow

23:04 <MTughan> Antec Nine Hundred.

23:04 <zombie67> many boxes come with holes in the side, which hurts airflow

23:04 <MTughan> The cooler is pointed towards the top 200mm fan.

23:04 <zombie67> I tape over them

23:04 <zombie67> in general, you want all the air flowing in a single direction

23:05 <MTughan> I have two zones for airflow, sort of.

23:05 <zombie67> the 900 has that funky giant fan on the top, right?

23:05 <MTughan> The case isn't designed for it, but the video card effectively separates the PSU from the CPU.

23:05 <MTughan> Yes.

23:05 <zombie67> yeah, so that throws another variable into the mix

23:05 <zombie67> so all the rules are off

23:05 <MTughan> And the GPU is a dual-slot design to push all its air out the back.

23:06 <zombie67> In general, you want the airflow to go from the front bottom to the back top

23:07 <MTughan> That's where things become less clear. Should the CPU cooler point up to the big airflow fan, or back to the smaller fan?

23:07 <zombie67> the high end GPUs generally have their own airflow, using a PCI slot

23:07 <MTughan> Smaller still refers to a 120mm fan, so it's not bad.

23:07 <MTughan> This one does, that's what I meant by a dual-slot design.

23:07 <zombie67> so then you don't need to worry about the GPU cooling

23:08 <MTughan> Nope.

23:08 <zombie67> MT, perhaps Antec has guidelines about HS orientation for the 900?

23:08 <zombie67> I am less than one hour away from completing a CPDN task

23:08 <Soul_keeper>           amd apparently sold their soul in the attempt to stay alive

23:08 <Romulus> <> (at

23:08 <MTughan> Not sure. I've never looked.

23:09 <Soul_keeper> they agreed to not "own" fabs or something for 10 or 15yrs

23:09 <Soul_keeper> i guess because it would compete with the joint venture

23:09 <zombie67> Wow, I have sudoku tasks that are longer than some CPDN tasks

23:10 <Soul_keeper> the wcg rice wu's are taking 10hrs a peice for me

23:12 <zombie67> I have a Sudoku task that is only 35% complete after 220 hours.  And this is with a Xeon X5355 (2.66ghz core 2)

23:13 <jasong> It was originally set up where sudoku would automatically stop if it crnched the same task for 20 hours.  That feature either got broken or taken out

23:13 <zombie67> taken out for the final units of this set

23:13 <jasong> ah, ok

23:13 <zombie67> these are the tasks that took >20hr

23:14 <jasong> It's too bad it's not possible to send intermediate updates on a task, that would really benefit a project like sudoku

23:15 <jasong> it would also cut down on bandwidth

23:16 <zombie67> it is possible.  CPDN does it

23:16 <jasong> I thought that was only updates for credit, where if you don't finish the workunit, you lose all the credit

23:17 <zombie67> no.  CPDN gets data with the trickles too

23:17 <zombie67> they use the partially completed units

23:17 <Soul_keeper> fun

23:18 <jasong> oh, well that's awesome.  Maybe the sudoku person needs to talk to the climate prediction people

23:18 <zombie67> well, for normal tasks that <20hrs, no need

23:18 <zombie67> most are like that

23:19 <jasong> true

23:19 <zombie67> these super long tasks are just a one-time thing

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