IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-02-06

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03:30 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 21.9F / -5.6C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows 15 to 20. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds around 10 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy and warmer. Near steady temperatures in the upper 30s. South (1 more message)

03:31 <efc> moo cfl

03:31 <CoderForLife> moo efc

03:32 <ELGono> and another moo :)

03:32 <CoderForLife> moo ELGono

03:32 <zombie67> my team has the best membership

03:32 <CoderForLife> moo zombie67

03:33 <zombie67> ever had one of your team members join like this?  :

03:33 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - The Command Center (saying hi to SETI USA) (at

03:36 <efc> &wx 31088

03:36 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 24F / -4C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.52in / 1034hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 20. Light and variable winds.; Friday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph.; Friday Night - Clear. Lows in the upper 20s. Light and variable winds.; Fire Weather Warning for Houston County (1 more message)

03:39 <efc> &wx yakutsk

03:39 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -45°F / -43°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 4mph / 7km/h | Updated: 5:30 PM YAKT; Scattered Clouds. High:-47 F.; Clear. Low:-54 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:-40 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:-58 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:-38 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:-49 F.;

03:40 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

03:40 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.46in / 997hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:41 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.;

03:40 <ELGono> looks ike spring arrived

03:40 <CoderForLife> good work

03:41 <efc> Do you have groundhogs there?

03:41 <ELGono> not here ... just moles

03:42 <efc> we have groundhogs that control the weather

03:43 <efc> aliends probably but the govt doesn't listen to me

03:46 <ELGono> germans count on frogs for weather forecast

03:46 <CoderForLife> counting frogs?  Is that like counting sheep?

03:46 <CoderForLife> "looks like a two frog day"

03:48 <ELGono> well rely on frogs

03:49 <ELGono> i mostly rely on #boinc msg ;)

03:49 <CoderForLife> It's always good to have something to blame the weather on

03:49 <ELGono> and the weather mrtg

03:49 <ELGono> http://spi/wetter.php

03:49 <ELGono> upsi

03:50 <CoderForLife> some choose mammals, some choose amphibians, some choose Rommie

03:50 <ELGono>

03:50 <Romulus> Title: Studentenportal Ilmenau (at

03:55 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

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04:05 <CoderForLife> I sometimes think that if I didn't eat breakfast efc would stay on at least a straight 24 hours

04:06 <CoderForLife> seems to be the cue

04:25 <CoderForLife> bbiab

04:28 <ELGono> lol

05:14 <CoderForLife> so...

05:14 <CoderForLife> back

05:15 <CoderForLife> basically ready to go to w@#% now, but it's too early

05:25 <CoderForLife> but that never stopped me before

05:25 <CoderForLife> laterz

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05:45 <xcamel> boo

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06:33 <hawmps> sporks >>,

06:36 <wdsmia_> &wx 50319

06:37 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 23.4F / -4.8C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny until late afternoon then becoming partly sunny. High in the upper 40s. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Not as cool. Low in the mid 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; (1 more message)

06:37 <wdsmia_> &more

06:37 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Saturday - Partly sunny. High around 50. West wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.;

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06:43 <hawmps> 'lo Doug

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06:51 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

07:05 <hawmps> hmmm.. might warm up a bit..

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08:44 <Soul_keeper> nice, i just got a bunch of clean energy project wu's from WCG

08:45 <Soul_keeper> guess they got the linux version up and going :)

08:46 <Soul_keeper> the 32-bit version atleast

08:55 <hawmps> clean energy?

08:58 <Soul_keeper> new project for wcg

08:59 <Soul_keeper>

08:59 <Romulus> <> (at

08:59 <hawmps> found it..

09:01 <Soul_keeper> it came out like 2 or 3 months ago i believe, but they didn't have linux support untill today i don't think

09:08 <hawmps> i-c

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10:19 <hawmps> "Another tidbit: Dems are "digging in" and now insisting upon a total of $ 937 billion for Porkulus. With interest, that's over $ 1.2 trillion to be paid-back by all Americans, or, more than $37,000 for every man, woman, and child. Dems are said to be determined to pass this monster by the end of today."

10:20 <Soul_keeper> that's what they do

10:26 <Soul_keeper> i heard they'd have a budget surplus if the cabinet members actually had to pay taxes ...

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10:38 <hawmps> it would be a start...

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11:10 <MTughan__>,2000065477,22470997p,00.htm

11:10 <Romulus> <> (at

11:10 <MTughan__> They show off KDE4 to people, passing it off as Windows 7. xD

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11:13 <hawmps> that's a classic...

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11:20 <Soul_keeper> is there a play button for that thing ?

11:21 <Soul_keeper> ok ic

11:23 <Soul_keeper> lol

11:23 <MTughan> Even has the "K" logo for the "start menu" button still. xD

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11:36 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

11:36 <hawmps> hi

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13:57 <MTughan> What the heck does it mean when a monitor is "Certified for Windows Vista"? o_O

13:59 <hawmps> it means some marketing turd still has a job...

14:00 <MTughan> lol

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15:17 <[B^S]renemayer> anyone got an opinion to hitachi vs. samsung HDDs?

15:18 <[B^S]renemayer> id like to upgrade my storage

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15:18 <Soul_keeper> [B^S]renemayer, samsung are usually known for being quiet and low temp, not necesarrily the highest performance tho

15:19 <Soul_keeper> i personally prefer western digital drives tho

15:19 <MTughan_> Ditto. Seagate also seems to be good.

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15:19 <[B^S]renemayer> read a test, theyre about the same in noise and speed.

15:20 <[B^S]renemayer> but i heard nothing good about hitachi from it-professionals

15:20 <[B^S]renemayer> had good experiences thought

15:20 <Soul_keeper> yeah for all intents and purposes the differences are minor,  mostly a matter of brand loyalty  unless you are looking at 2% differences on things

15:20 <[B^S]renemayer> WD? really???? had alot of crashed with them

15:21 <[B^S]renemayer> mosty in cheap ext. cases.

15:21 <Soul_keeper> i got a good website for you

15:21 <Romulus> Title: (at

15:21 <[B^S]renemayer> thx

15:21 <Soul_keeper> they are mostly geared toward scsi, and the highest end sata drives in their reviews.  but a good source of info

15:22 <MTughan> SCSI or SAS?

15:22 <Soul_keeper> i've owned 8 WD drives and never had one fail,  i've had maxtor and others fail on me tho

15:22 <MTughan> Or are they considered equal?

15:22 <[B^S]renemayer> reliability survey, grat

15:22 <Soul_keeper> of course if i had the same experience with seagate or someone, i'd probably be loyal to them

15:25 <[B^S]renemayer> yeah, im little bit sentimental too. otherwise id already bought the samsung ,-)

15:26 <MTughan> I read that the Samsung Spinpoint F1 series drives were fast and quiet.

15:26 <MTughan> That was on Silent PC Review though, so they're focused on noise.,

15:27 <[B^S]renemayer> i can post pics of speed and noise benchmark, from a german page thought

15:27 <[B^S]renemayer> if someone else inetrested

15:28 <[B^S]renemayer> i found quiet a few reviews, but they dont say much about reliability, how should they, drives arent that old.

16:02 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:48 <jasong> Have there ever been Ubuntu releases that didn't end in a 4 or 10?  I'm trying to figure out when to expect the new one

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16:51 <MTughan> No. It refers to the release date.

16:51 <MTughan> 8.10 was released October 2008.

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16:52 <MTughan> Means the next is due in April.

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16:52 <jasong> Oh, another question:  I have a quad-core that seems pretty stable overall, but when I run p-1 for the Mersenne project, it got two bad results in a row.  If the problem isn't fixable, should I ditch the cpu, or just use more "tolerant" projects?

16:52 <jasong> Okay, April, thanks

16:53 <MTughan> No idea about the second.

16:57 <yoyo[RKN]> do you have a url for the mersenne project, jasong?

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17:22 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

17:22 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 16.3°F / -8.7°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1022.9hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 6:22 PM AST; Tonight - Clear. Low -10C(14F).; Saturday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) in the afternoon. High -2C(28F). Saturday night increasing cloudiness. Periods of ice pellets (1 more message)

17:22 <Rookie_69> &more

17:22 <Romulus> Rookie_69: mixed with snow beginning near midnight changing to rain showers overnight. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph). Temperature rising to 4C(39F) by morning.; Sunday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. High 7C(45F).;

17:36 <xcamel> re-back

17:38 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

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17:44 <Rookie_69> Somebody broke L. Ron Hubbard, I guess.

17:44 <MTughan> Nope, you're on Hubbard if that's what you see.

17:44 <MTughan> I'm on Grisham.

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17:45 <Rookie_69> So it is...

17:45 <Rookie_69> So I am...

17:46 <Rookie_69> Hi, Michael.

17:46 <MTughan> 'lo Glenn.

17:53 <MTughan> "Hi all, one of our links just momentarily had a blip, as you'll have seen.  We're looking into the cause, but everything should be back to normal now. Thanks for using freenode and have a good evening!"

17:53 <MTughan> Also, MW's web server is up, although it looks like the DB is still being rebuilt.

18:03 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

18:04 <wdsmia> *lo Jay, Glenn, Michael, ect...

18:05 <Rookie_69> Hi, Doug.

18:05 <MTughan> 'lo Doug, Jay

18:08 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 56.3F / 13.5C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Not as cool. Low in the upper 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Saturday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 50s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. (1 more message)

18:08 <wdsmia> &more

18:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: Colder. Low in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

18:09 <wdsmia> Doggie Doo is growing in the back yard :)

18:11 <Rookie_69> Organic fertilizer for the garden.

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18:16 <xcamel> lawn sausages

18:17 <Rookie_69> Snausages?

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18:19 <xcamel> something like that

18:20 <wdsmia> slow-mo Jay

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18:21 <Rookie_69> At least some of us take the time to think about what we're going to say before saying it.

18:21 <xcamel> pesky sinuses today, and still putting stuff back to right on kyzyl

18:21 <Rookie_69> Wouldn't the plural of sinus be sinii?

18:21 <MTughan> No.

18:22 <MTughan> You're thinking on Sinai hospital or mountain.

18:22 <CoderForLife> ehlo

18:22 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

18:23 <Rookie_69> Don Juan!

18:24 <CoderForLife> not me

18:25 <wdsmia> How's the water leak Don?

18:25 <Rookie_69> ... Don Ian?

18:26 <CoderForLife> it was examined by the professionals, and they determined there is no leak, but couldn't explain the water

18:26 <wdsmia> explain the water bill lol

18:27 <CoderForLife> may  have been a misreading

18:27 <CoderForLife> we've got to get this snow off, then we'll see

18:27 <wdsmia> that was for the so called professionals

18:28 <CoderForLife> but I'm not looking for sympathy - Rule 2

18:28 <Rookie_69> Maybe an artesian well magically sprung up.

18:28 <wdsmia> Don's spa

18:28 <CoderForLife> I could use a natural gas tap

18:28 <wdsmia> Eat more beans

18:28 <CoderForLife> this area is loaded with NG

18:29 <Rookie_69> I got natural gas... Chili in fridge.

18:29 * MTughan backs away from Rookie_69

18:29 <CoderForLife> back in the 70s, a family was digging a thermowell in the front yard

18:29 <CoderForLife> they hit a natural gas pocket

18:30 <CoderForLife> 50 foot blowtorch in the front yard

18:30 <CoderForLife> fire dept had to keep the house hosed down so it wouldn't catch fire

18:31 <CoderForLife> they finally snuffed it out, and poured concrete down the hole

18:31 <Rookie_69> Maybe they shouldn't have still been using flint tools...

18:32 <CoderForLife> I compared COBOL to using stone axes and flint knives in a conference call today

18:33 <CoderForLife> Red Hat: "The open-source software maker beat the odds with an annualized growth rate of 43%."

18:33 <CoderForLife> over 5 years

18:34 <CoderForLife> Number 11 of Forbes' 2009 survey of the 25 fastest growing tech companies

18:36 <wdsmia> use fortran :-P

18:36 <CoderForLife> I did, back in the day

18:37 <wdsmia> so say we all... or is that... so we all did

18:39 <xcamel> bbiab

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18:40 <CoderForLife> I think it was "we came, we saw, we drank a lot of caffeine"

18:42 <wdsmia> been there, seen it, have the T-shirt, sold the movie rights

18:42 <Rookie_69> You mean you can drink caffeine too???

18:42 <CoderForLife> "FORTRAN Strikes Back"

18:43 <CoderForLife> "Use the FORTRAN, Luke"

18:43 * Rookie_69 dumps the coffee grounds out of his pipe.

18:44 <wdsmia> thats not funny... I have to deal with A motorolla programer named Luke

18:44 <Rookie_69> I'm just a fortransexual fortransvestite from fortransylvania.

18:44 <CoderForLife> he uses FORTRAN?

18:45 <CoderForLife> you're kidding...

18:45 <wdsmia> he's to young and I dont want to give him ideas lol

18:46 * Rookie_69 forgot the sweet...

18:46 <wdsmia> he can't get school grade C right god forbid we have him try fortran

18:47 <CoderForLife> well - teach him about safe Coding

18:49 <wdsmia> corp coding... code sh** and charge a arm and leg for garbage... that the Mot way

18:49 * Rookie_69 blew a Rocky Horror misquote and hopes nobody notices.

18:50 <wdsmia> and they wonder why there stock went from $34 down to $3

18:53 <Rookie_69> I'm just a sweet fortransvestite from fortranssexual fortransylvania. (I think I meant.)

18:53 <CoderForLife> I wouldn't know

18:56 <wdsmia> guess Mot layed off the wrong 3/4 of the company lol

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18:58 <wdsmia> woof eddie

18:58 <efc> Hey

18:58 <Rookie_69> Oom.

18:59 <Rookie_69> ooM?

19:01 <wdsmia> dyslexic to the end Rookie_69

19:01 <desti> Ω

19:01 <Rookie_69> Ohw, em?

19:01 <MTughan> Oom -> Ohm. Nice. ;)

19:02 <MTughan> Anyway, I need dinner... bbl

19:02 <Rookie_69> It's a chant.

19:03 <Rookie_69> Easier to chant than Farad.

19:03 <CoderForLife> Mhos

19:06 * wdsmia chant's (incert family filter)

19:06 <Rookie_69> MHOS... Many hands operate switch... Is that something like Many hands make light work?

19:06 <CoderForLife> conductivity

19:07 <Rookie_69> What does a duck's jail time have to do with it?

19:08 <CoderForLife> opposite of ohm

19:08 <Rookie_69> Opposite of ohm would be My Humble Opinion?

19:08 <CoderForLife>

19:09 <CoderForLife> hold the comments on this one

19:09 * CoderForLife turns up the family filter

19:10 <Rookie_69> Beer??? Oh. That's Sleeman's.

19:11 <CoderForLife> I'm off to the Couch - got a bit of homew@#% to do

19:13 * wdsmia likes my job they pay me time and a half for homework :0

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19:15 <Rookie_69> If I'm really lucky, I might get a beer out of some homework.

19:16 <wdsmia> making Beer is house work :-p

19:16 <Rookie_69>  if anybody actually had any beer on their boat...

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19:23 <Rookie_69> It's amazing how many people go to the john to take a pee. I don't take it... I leave it there in the middle of a whirlpool.

19:23 * Rookie_69 rambles on a bit more...

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19:24 <Soul_keeper> ok

19:27 <Rookie_69> Who, me> No way.

19:27 <Rookie_69>        ?

19:28 <wdsmia> ko

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19:28 <Soul_keeper>   network usage added :)

19:28 <Romulus> Title: statsstatsstats (at

19:30 * wdsmia thinks Soul_keeper is graph challenged

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19:31 <Soul_keeper> wdsmia, why you say that ?

19:32 * wdsmia thinks Soul_keeper spends way to much time on eye candy :P

19:33 <Rookie_69> I know I'm graph-challenged.

19:33 <Soul_keeper> problem is i got nothing to download/upload tho ...

19:34 <wdsmia> so create a graph to show it...fl

19:34 <wdsmia> err rofl

19:35 <Rookie_69> There's always stuff to download... Some of it won't even get you in trouble.

19:36 <Rookie_69> ... a very small bit of it.

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19:41 <Soul_keeper>    seems like these are all legit

19:41 <Romulus> <> (at

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19:43 <MTughan_> CNN says a tentative deal for the stimulus bill/will has been reached, slated for $780 billion.

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19:46 <MTughan> MW homepage is up, seems like the rest of the site is also up.

20:13 * Rookie_69 assumes Mtughan doesn't mean Microsoft Windows...

20:14 <Rookie_69> ... almost a half hour arter the fact...

20:14 <Rookie_69> ?

20:14 <Rookie_69> ... after...

20:14 <MTughan> MilkyWay. And yes, that was quite delayed.

20:15 * Rookie_69 was busy watching Gregor drool.

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20:47 <CoderOnTheCouch> homew@#% done - gn

20:47 <wdsmia> nn

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20:54 <Rookie_69> Hmm... I said the W word the other week and didn't get kicked... I got severely chastised though.

21:14 <Rookie_69> Apparently Gregor feels he needs to be fed every day...

21:18 <wdsmia> 110 pounds of feed me... feed me now

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22:32 <Rookie_69> Nytol.

22:32 <jasong> If I thought my hard drive was writing bad bits, but only about one in 10-million were bad, how would I test that?

22:33 <jasong> (I think it's somewhere between 1 in 10 million to about 1 in 2 billion)

22:34 <Rookie_69> The only one I had actually go bad wrote random bad bits and was totally worthless.

22:34 * jasong heads to Mersenne Forum(since I've had help there before :) )

22:34 <jasong> Yes, but if it's rare, how do i test for it?

22:35 <jasong> I mean, it's rare enough to where I'd never notice it in a text file, but common enough to screw up my machine.  Assuming I'm correct, which might not be true

22:35 <Rookie_69> I'd back it up if possible(and necessary) then play with it.

22:36 <jasong> Yeah, it's a crunching box, so there's no important information on it

22:36 <Rookie_69> ... if a replacement drive is an option.

22:36 <jasong> Right now, I'm hoping there's a bootable cd that can stress the drive and then check stuff

22:37 <jasong> I'm going to ask about that in Linux

22:37 <jasong> #linux

22:37 <jasong> No, might be faster to do Google first

22:37 <jasong> bbinab

22:37 <jasong> -n

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22:38 <Rookie_69> I've seen one or two bootable linux distros.

22:38 <Rookie_69> ... on cd...

22:38 <jasong> Yes, but do anything have a hard drive stresser?

22:39 <jasong> Any of them, I mean

22:39 <Rookie_69> Not that I can remember.

22:39 <jasong> I think I've found something

22:39 <Rookie_69> ... but I wasn't looking.

22:40 <Rookie_69> If you ask them, they will come.

22:40 <jasong> oh, wow, I've found a one line linux command that does the job

22:41 <Rookie_69> ./attack HD?

22:41 <Rookie_69> Lol.

22:41 <jasong> no

22:41 <jasong> I'll copy and paste it, I'm not sure what it's supposed to do

22:42 <jasong> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<disk> bs=2k oseek=587438 &

22:42 <jasong> dd if=/dev/<disk> of=/dev/null bs=8k iseek=0 &

22:42 <jasong> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<disk> bs=32k oseek=1829440 &

22:42 <MTughan> Looks like it writes zeroes to the whole disk...

22:42 <jasong> (NOBODY run this if you don't understand it)

22:43 <jasong> Yeah, whatever it does, I'm pretty sure it would ruin any data on a disk that you wanted to keep

22:43 <jasong> But as a stressing tool, maybe a good idea

22:44 <Rookie_69> Sort of like the old "secure" wipe?

22:44 <MTughan> Writes zeroes, then reads the data off, then writes again. Not sure what the bs and oseek and iseek parameters do, but that's the basics.

22:45 <Rookie_69> If idiot runs this Then disk is wiped Else nothing happens.

22:45 <jasong> Yeah, but something is already trashing stuff on that computer, so no loss

22:46 <jasong> I'm going to go ask in #linux

22:47 <Rookie_69> I know I'm no help. I can barely remember how to turn on linux box in the corner.

22:48 <Rookie_69> Luckily, double-clicking on boincmgr icon makes it run.

22:50 * Rookie_69 hides his head in shame.

22:51 * Rookie_69 remembers that he is a hard-wired Rookie and shows off his furry face.

22:53 * Rookie_69 remembers saying Nytol and heads off to bed.

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