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00:40 <MTughan> "I used to drink beer with chocolate donuts during those late night server upgrades. Sounds horrible, tastes great." I'm not disputing the taste, but that's one of the odder things I've seen posted on a forum, BOINC or not.
00:45 <efc> Zzzz
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02:09 <efc> &math convert 170 watts to horsepower
02:09 <Romulus> efc: 0.227973755231
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02:48 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
02:48 <CoderForLife> hello Michael
02:48 <CoderForLife> &more
02:48 <Romulus> CoderForLife: winds 20 to 25 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph.;
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03:08 <efc> moo cfl
03:08 <CoderForLife> moo efc
03:09 <CoderForLife> I'm looking for a news article
03:10 <CoderForLife> some place I saw that over $80B of the TARP money was lost due to bad timing of acquisition of bank shares by the gov't (or something like that)
03:10 <CoderForLife> nm found it
03:11 <efc> Whoopsie! Awww shucks
03:11 <CoderForLife> only $78B
03:11 <efc> I'm sure someone will be held accountable.
03:12 <CoderForLife> the recipients will spend a long time counting
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03:14 <efc> isn't that creating jobs?
03:14 <Tidus> moo
03:14 <CoderForLife> Stimulus is defined by Pelosi as maintaining jobs
03:15 <CoderForLife> moo Tidus
03:15 <Tidus> so what's everybody up to?
03:15 <CoderForLife> 3:15am Tidus
03:15 <Tidus> not true.
03:15 <Tidus> maybe for you, but not me :P
03:15 <Tidus> 215 here
03:16 <CoderForLife> I wouldn't call it "up to" - maybe "up again"
03:16 <Tidus> for me it's "still up" ... working night shift throws me off sometimes
03:16 <efc> my little motors and gears and such came in
03:18 <CoderForLife> I got up at 2:30
03:18 <MTughan> I've been up all night.
03:19 <CoderForLife> so, how are all your little motors and gears and such, efc?
03:20 <efc> cool, not sure what to do with em
03:20 <efc> 170 watts in a 1" diameter 2" long can
03:21 <Tidus> MTughan: finally fixed my media server's lockup problems
03:22 <CoderForLife> efc - I have an idea - maybe you oculd put them together and make something out of them
03:22 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
03:22 <Tidus> hiya yoyo[RKN]
03:22 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
03:22 <Tidus> MTughan: turns out it was the processor going bad
03:22 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 32.7Â°F / 0.4Â°C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.10in / 985.3hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 9:19 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:41 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:33 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 ° F.;
03:23 <MTughan> Tidus: Ouch, that sucks.
03:23 <Tidus> yeah... changed it out, haven't heard a peep from it since
03:23 <efc> the little planetary gearbox is neat
03:23 <Tidus> 02:23:37 up 6 days, 13:26, 3 users, load average: 1.27, 1.17, 1.14
03:24 <Tidus> that's actually pretty good uptime based on the horror stories of how unstable debian sid/experimental is under load :)
03:27 <efc> night, maybe i'll feel better in the mourning
03:27 <CoderForLife> I mourn already
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03:46 <ELGono> morning
03:47 <CoderForLife> mm-hmm
03:47 <CoderForLife> morning ELGono
03:47 <ELGono> hey don, had already breakfast? hehe
03:48 <CoderForLife> yes - I had something at about 2:45am, before efc dropped off
03:48 <CoderForLife> I never mentioned it to him
03:48 <ELGono> yesterday you had a nice note on that and i just wanted to add, that it it reminds me to have breakfast often ;)
03:49 <ELGono> gna, double "it" ... need some coffee
03:49 <ELGono> &coffee
03:49 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?
03:53 <CoderForLife> need more beverage - brb
03:53 <MTughan> Is is espresso?
03:58 <CoderForLife> Classico... Coca-Cola
04:18 <ELGono> hehe only fresh grinded coffee-beans here
04:18 <ELGono> coca cola has too much phosphoric acid
04:19 <ELGono> still unbelieveable to me that thez can use it as acidifier
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04:29 <yoyo[RKN]> &coffee
04:29 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?
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05:06 <CoderForLife> bbl
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05:45 <Soul_keeper> bla
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06:14 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, you got much experience with databases ?
06:14 <Soul_keeper> i'm getting an odd error here, random values returned for a key
06:14 <Soul_keeper> erroneous*
06:15 <Soul_keeper> could reading the same key too many times in quick succession possibly cause this ?
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06:41 <CoderForLife> on my way to the store
06:41 <CoderForLife> yeah Soul_keeper - I have a good bit of database experience
06:42 <CoderForLife> we can chat later
06:42 <Soul_keeper> ok
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07:34 <xcamel> 'lo
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07:42 <xcamel> &more
07:42 <Romulus> xcamel: cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Blustery with the high around 40. Temperature falling into the mid 30s in the afternoon. West winds 10 to 15 mph...increasing to 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Gusts up to 45 mph.;
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08:59 <xcamel> nobody up, eh?
08:59 <ELGono> moo jay
08:59 <xcamel> 'lo Elg
08:59 <ELGono> just investigating a weird jabber problem
09:00 <xcamel> I really want to put a bullet in this linux box
09:00 <ELGono> still the one you were restoring from backup?
09:00 <xcamel> I had it all running so well...
09:00 <xcamel> then I rebooted last night, and now it can't see the major member of the lvm
09:01 <ELGono> damn, sounds ugly
09:01 <xcamel> old box, old bios, sata II ad-in card
09:01 <xcamel> external usb drive
09:02 <ELGono> hmm might confuse lvm
09:02 <ELGono> but shouldn't
09:02 <xcamel> main drive pack is scsi - 4 drives
09:03 <xcamel> if I do 'lvm pvscan -u' the drive it **should** see comes up as 'unknown device'...
09:03 <xcamel> which makes no sense
09:04 <ELGono> thats the sata disk?
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09:09 <xcamel_> cripes..
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09:15 <CoderForLife> greetings and re-hi
09:16 <CoderForLife> back from the store
09:16 <xcamel> 'lo
09:16 <Soul_keeper> ok
09:16 <Soul_keeper> i need to wait 6min to retest something, coffee time till then :)
09:17 <CoderForLife> eating some 2nd breakfast at my desk here =)
09:17 <Soul_keeper> could have been a crawler executing old scripts on my server ...
09:17 <CoderForLife> re-hi Soul_keeper
09:17 <CoderForLife> morning Jay
09:17 <xcamel> ok.. I did a vgreduce to remove the missing member.. there was do data on it (yet) anyway
09:18 <xcamel> trying reboot
09:18 <Soul_keeper> whatever happened while i was sleeping essentially corrupted my db
09:18 <CoderForLife> still struggling with LVM I see
09:19 <ELGono> lo don & sk
09:19 <CoderForLife> re-hi J-man
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09:19 <CoderForLife> J-man my favorite German
09:20 <CoderForLife> kinda rhymes
09:20 <CoderForLife> or not =)
09:20 <CoderForLife> anyways - leaving at the top of the hour to take the wife to he haircut appointment
09:21 <xcamel> well I'll be damned..
09:21 <CoderForLife> er her
09:21 <xcamel> that worked... sort of
09:21 <CoderForLife> heh
09:22 <CoderForLife> keys are blank, or null?
09:23 <Soul_keeper> what do you mean by null ?
09:23 <Soul_keeper> this is the mem2464 db entry: Sat Feb 7 05:49:49 2009 2026.77 62.99 343.24 1019.20 1963.78 10722.93 10722.92 0.01
09:23 <Soul_keeper> this is the mem2463 db entry:
09:23 <Soul_keeper> this is the mem2462 db entry:
09:23 <Soul_keeper> this is the mem2461 db entry: Sat Feb 7 05:46:49 2009 2026.77 66.50 368.95 991.96 1960.27 10722.93 10722.92 0.01
09:23 <Soul_keeper> like that
09:24 <CoderForLife> null implies that they have nothing in them, blank implies that they have one or more spaces in them
09:24 <Soul_keeper> print issued a \n and preceding space ....
09:24 <CoderForLife> ugh
09:24 <Soul_keeper> guess they are null
09:25 <CoderForLife> sounds to me like they have a space and a newline = not null
09:25 <Soul_keeper> every 10 min i have a potential maximum of 60 db reads/writes occuring
09:25 <Soul_keeper> well space (db value) newlone
09:26 <xcamel> it's baaaaakkkk
09:26 <xcamel> ...sort of
09:26 <CoderForLife> what I was going to suggest is that you define the key as "not null" so that the insert would fail if there was no value
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09:26 <xcamel_> peek-a-boo
09:26 <CoderForLife> as it is, it seems to have a value
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09:26 <CoderForLife> boo
09:27 <Soul_keeper> yeah, but that still wouldn't tell me why it became null randomly in the first place, i gotta track it down
09:27 <CoderForLife> sure
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09:28 <CoderForLife> wb Pie
09:28 <Soul_keeper> the problem didn't start untill i created a second daemon which reads/writes to the same db
09:28 <Soul_keeper> but they don't read/write the same keys, so i wouldn't have thought it could be a problem
09:29 <CoderForLife> what database?
09:29 <CoderForLife> does it support transactions?
09:29 <Soul_keeper> DB_File; with perl
09:30 <Soul_keeper> basically berkeley db
09:30 <CoderForLife> hmm does it support transactions/multiuser?
09:31 <CoderForLife> since you mentioned perl, I would maybe chomp() your keys to get rid of the pesky newline
09:32 <xcamel_> oh hell.. this isn't good..
09:32 <xcamel_> one proscessor
09:33 * ELGono locks xcamels arms rack
09:33 <Soul_keeper> not sure CoderForLife
09:33 <Soul_keeper> doubt it, it appears there is a later version out that supports new berkeley db versions ...
09:33 <xcamel_> bbiab
09:33 <Soul_keeper> i might have to try that
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09:36 <Soul_keeper> think i'll try deleting the db's and see what happens ...
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09:44 <CoderForLife> bbl
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10:03 <Romulus> Title: statsstatsstats (at sterlingdesktops.com)
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10:55 <MTughan__> Soul_keeper: Yeah, with databases, there's a possibility of a race condition, where two processes attempt to write to the same file (or DB) at the same time. If the first saves the file after the second opens the file, but before the second closes it, the first's data is lost.
10:55 <Soul_keeper> that sounds about right
10:55 <MTughan__> Transactions lock the database until all the commands in the transaction are done, thereby removing the possibility of race conditions.
10:55 <Soul_keeper> i'm just gonna have to create two different databases
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10:56 <Romulus> Title: statsstatsstats (at sterlingdesktops.com)
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11:28 <Soul_keeper> ok it should all be fixed now then
11:29 <Soul_keeper> two separate daemons two separate db's
11:29 <Soul_keeper> not how i wanted to code it, but ohh well
11:40 <CoderForLife> back
11:41 <CoderForLife> yep, Soul_keeper - like MTughan said
11:41 <CoderForLife> that's where I was going
11:44 <Soul_keeper> there is still the slim possibility that the script that generates the images could access just as the daemons are and corrupt the db's
11:44 <Soul_keeper> this sucks
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11:51 <Soul_keeper> DB_File doesn't support transactions, locking or any of the other new features available in DB 2.x or better.
11:51 <xcamel> yupper.. looks like I lost, or am losing a cpu
11:51 <Soul_keeper> BerkeleyDB does, but it seems cumbersome and bloated at first glance
11:55 <Soul_keeper> i can't understand why they even need locking, why can't they just make the DB's work easy
12:01 <xcamel> amazing how it can still run on one leg...
12:02 <xcamel> what to do...what to do...
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12:27 <ELGono> any progress jay?
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12:35 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: One suggestion for your graphs. Maybe put a label for each graph? So at the top, have "Memory" or "Network". Because the only way you can tell them apart now is knowing what they are. Maybe network is hard drive activity.
12:37 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's minor stuff
12:38 <Soul_keeper> still trying to decide how i wanna fix this "lack of locking" junk
12:38 <MTughan> Yeah, that's more important.
12:38 <MTughan> What you could do is also have a "locking file", where the file exists if the DB is locked, and is removed afterwards.
12:38 <MTughan> Or use Perl's flock function.
12:39 <Soul_keeper> that's a good idea
12:39 <Soul_keeper> think i'll do that
12:40 <MTughan> Easy enough to implement. Just make sure you introduce the checking to each function. :P
12:40 <MTughan> Probably a good idea to make a subroutine to lock the file, another to unlock it, and a third to check if it's locked.
12:40 <MTughan> Then just call the subroutines instead of copying code.
12:41 <MTughan> If you didn't think of that already, that is...
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13:51 <CoderForLife> off to watch last night's BSG - bbl
13:51 <ELGono> have phun
13:52 <ELGono> i'm just in the tv-b-gone circuit ;)
13:52 <ELGono> think i'll build some
13:53 <ELGono> of the ULTIMATE remote ;)
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14:33 <jackygrahamez> hi
14:34 <MTughan> 'lo jacky
14:51 <xcamel> re-hi
14:51 <CoderForLife> wb
14:52 <jackygrahamez> I got a question. Does anyone trust the figures on Willey's stat page that says we have 1,607,673 participants in BOINC?
14:53 <FreeLarry58> humm not sure about today for willey - got a number of boxes that lost credit - those boxes don't exist anymore and havent crunched for months
14:53 <FreeLarry58> as well as some active boxes experiences the same
14:53 <jackygrahamez> Well I'm trying to write a little PR for BOINC and say how many people participate Worldwide
14:54 <jackygrahamez> I'm just worried that 1.5 million might be an overestimation
14:54 <FreeLarry58> his site has been one of the first trackers since boinc inseption
14:54 <MTughan> Probably not, but not all those people would be active anymore.
14:54 <jackygrahamez> maybe people are creating multiple accounts
14:55 <FreeLarry58> some do
14:55 <FreeLarry58> but not that many i think
14:55 <jackygrahamez> if they people are no longer active, that's ok with me
14:55 <jackygrahamez> I'll say people have participated
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15:03 <ELGono> LoL MTughan
15:03 <ELGono> i'm bored too
15:05 * MTughan settled on a game of spider solataire
15:05 <MTughan> solitaire*
15:05 <ELGono> and german TV just offers "the day after"
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15:17 <ELGono> rehi jay
15:18 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20011
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15:18 <jackygrahamez> &more
15:18 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Highs in the upper 50s. West winds around 10 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon.; Sunday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;
15:18 <jackygrahamez> oh yeah congress, stimulate this
15:19 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)
15:20 <jackygrahamez> good one
15:21 <jackygrahamez> Durring innaugiral week some people had two balls ... but I only had one :-(
15:31 <Soul_keeper> ok i think i finally got it all work ....
15:34 <xcamel> looks like congress ns no balls now - just a bog old porkfest...
15:34 <Soul_keeper> the joys of lock files ...
15:34 <jackygrahamez> you know I'm a liberal and even I'm sickened
15:35 <xcamel> mighty sad, eh?
15:35 <xcamel> so 3 RINO's makes it "bipartisan" - bwahahahah
15:35 <Soul_keeper> liberal is one of those terms that can mean anything ....
15:35 <jackygrahamez> true
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15:36 <jackygrahamez> In my case its anything but neo-con
15:36 <Soul_keeper> problem is all the "liberals" banded together to support the other "liberals" yet most don't even know what's going on
15:36 <Soul_keeper> :)
15:37 <jackygrahamez> I think Nancy Pelousi and Harry Ried should be voted off the island
15:37 <KathrynM> MTughan, that's more tactful than what I was going to do. I was going to take a screenshot and circle the stupid sig, put a big arrow and a note "Here are the flying butterflies!"
15:38 <MTughan> I figured just a screenshot would do.
15:38 <KathrynM> lol
15:38 <MTughan> Think we found the dancing bunnies? :)
15:39 <MTughan> Once ABC tasks start validating, at least match you.
15:40 <Soul_keeper> i'm gonna hold off on switching to 64-bit on this main box untill that wcg clean energy gets ports to 64-bit
15:41 <MTughan> That's the thing right now. It seems that the majority of computers on ABC are slower, or have higher turnaround times. So no matter how fast I turn in WUs, they take a couple days to validate.
15:41 <Soul_keeper> ahh
15:41 <MTughan> Seen a couple C2Q's on ABC running XP x86 too... What a waste.
15:41 <Soul_keeper> wcg seems to give credit right away same day
15:42 <MTughan> Not that I'm endorsing Vista or Win7, but 64-bit does tasks about twice as fast.
15:42 <Soul_keeper> nice
15:42 <Soul_keeper> i got thunder and hail going on outside
15:42 <MTughan> Overcast here.
15:43 <Soul_keeper> my porch collapsed in the backyard
15:43 <MTughan> Ouch...
15:43 <Soul_keeper> i call it a porch, it's one of those things that the plants/vines grow over
15:45 <Soul_keeper> whatever they call those
15:50 <CoderForLife> trellis?
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15:56 <MTughan> 'lo efc
15:56 <efc> moo
15:57 <xcamel> 'lo Ed
15:57 <ELGono> mo efc
15:58 <xcamel> I really need a small core2 quad to replace this box...
15:59 <efc> I see its time for the weekly s@h failure
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16:26 <efc> bleh, what did I do to my hip, woke up hurting and hasn't stopped
16:27 <xcamel> it's called "winter"
16:27 <efc> feels like its got a bubble in it that I can't pop out
16:28 <efc> (all of my joints pop, but the hips are rare)
16:28 <xcamel> ditto..
16:28 <efc> My left hip was the holdout until a few years ago when it went getting out of the car
16:29 <efc> My arms will actually basically pull out of the socket. Not painful, but weird.
16:30 <xcamel> mine will not dislocate, but will hurt like hell when they feel like it..
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16:31 <efc> I'm wishing I could pull the leg out right now and try to reseat it
16:31 <CoderForLife> lo all
16:36 <CoderForLife> heh, or not
16:37 * CoderForLife gets ignored at w@#% a lot too, but they ususally run the train off the track when that happens
16:39 * efc totally ignores CFL while steering train off tracks
16:40 <CoderForLife> *bump*
16:44 <xcamel> **bang**
16:44 * efc click-click
16:45 <xcamel> anyone remember how to find the clibc version in a ibstdc++ library?
16:45 <xcamel> er glibc even
16:45 <xcamel> guess not
16:46 <CoderForLife> er
16:46 <CoderForLife> google says /lib/libc.so.6
16:47 <CoderForLife> trying myself
16:47 <CoderForLife> mine says 2.5
16:48 <CoderForLife> on my CentOS box
16:48 <CoderForLife> version 2.8 on my F9 dev box
16:49 <CoderForLife> does that help xcamel?
16:50 <xcamel> found it..
16:50 <xcamel> thanks
16:50 <CoderForLife> k
16:51 * CoderForLife -> din-din
16:51 <xcamel> soon
16:57 <Soul_keeper> whole day waisted here, the exact same null data db issue came back ...
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18:19 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 36.3°F / 2.4°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain showers. Near steady temperature in the mid 30s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Blustery with highs in (1 more message)
18:19 <xcamel> &more
18:19 <Romulus> xcamel: the lower 40s. Temperature falling into the upper 30s in the afternoon. West winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Brisk and much cooler with lows around 17. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph...diminishing to 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph after midnight.;
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18:56 <xcamel> ther... solved the last great fubar.
19:05 <Rookie_69> ... until the next one pops up?
19:05 <xcamel> hopefully none of the aussie boys got caught in those wildfires...
19:05 <xcamel> I have a restored and working (both cpus now) box
19:06 <xcamel> being stubborn and persistant helps
19:07 <Rookie_69> It's not fixed until it's successfully crunched a few WU's...
19:09 <Rookie_69> I spent a couple hours outside scraping boilerplate ice from the driveway. I'm going to regret it tomorrow.
19:14 <Rookie_69> As Eddie Murphy said, Now that's a fire.
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19:22 <xcamel> quite a sat shot..
19:23 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: What's up with your stats script?
19:23 <Soul_keeper> my brain stopped working ...
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19:25 <MTughan> xcamel: Timed out.
19:26 <xcamel> working now
19:27 <MTughan> Have an IP for me to try?
19:27 <MTughan> DNS is returning 126.96.36.199.
19:27 <Romulus> Title: statsstatsstats (at sterlingdesktops.com)
19:28 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yep, it's up.
19:28 <xcamel> crap.. gotta fix that...
19:29 <Soul_keeper> if i go trying to fix anything else i'll mess something up, so i'm gonna let it go for some hours and see what happens
19:36 <xcamel> that'll probably take a while to disseminate
19:37 <xcamel> that was fast..
19:39 <MTughan> Well, that site gets them without any caching. We'll see how long it takes to get down to me.
19:39 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - NFL Fantasy Files: The Best Players (at www.youtube.com)
19:41 <Rookie_69> It's amazing how it takes less time to lose interest in doing the dishes than it does to get hot water up from the basement.
19:43 <Rookie_69> I think there's some law stating that all plumbing must be installed along the windward wall.
19:49 <xcamel> only in Canada
19:49 <Rookie_69> It must have to do with keeping poor plumbers employed.
19:50 <MTughan> At least they're employed...
19:50 * MTughan needs to get laundry
19:51 <CoderForLife> looks like I will be able to fix my fallen closet wire shelves with stuff I have on hand - w00t
19:51 <CoderForLife> a project for tomorrow
19:52 <CoderForLife> signing off from here - gn
19:52 <Rookie_69> ... a hammer, some nails, and a few planks?
19:52 <Rookie_69> NN.
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20:09 <Soul_keeper> check it out now MTughan :)
20:10 <zombie67> problem: when building crunchers, you use the CD/DVD player exactly once when installing the OS. That's a waste
20:10 <MTughan> zombie67: Solution. USB/Firewire 5.25" external enclosure.
20:10 <zombie67> can the same functionality be gained using an external player, connected via usb?
20:10 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: lol, "Athlon Relic".
20:10 <Soul_keeper> heh
20:11 <zombie67> MT: exactly my thought.
20:11 <MTughan> zombie67: As long as the MB will recognize USB bootable devies.
20:11 <MTughan> devices*
20:11 <zombie67> how can I tell?
20:11 <MTughan> Most new motherboards do.
20:11 <zombie67> will all new mobos boot from USB device?
20:11 <zombie67> cool
20:11 <MTughan> You'd have to look in the manual to be sure I think.
20:11 <Soul_keeper> check the bios next time you reboot
20:12 <MTughan> I've booted my 2004 MB off USB drives before.
20:12 <zombie67> am thinking about building an atom crunchers
20:12 <Soul_keeper> look for "device boot order" or something similar and "usb storage device"
20:12 <zombie67> problem, won't know until I buy the mobo
20:12 <Soul_keeper> i installed slack to this system from a usb drive
20:13 <zombie67> so I need to know in advance
20:13 <Soul_keeper> did the same on my Eeepc which don't have a cdrom drive
20:13 <MTughan> zombie67: You usually can get manuals off the web, and they'll usually say.
20:13 <MTughan> What manufacuturer?
20:13 <zombie67> probably intel
20:13 <MTughan> manufacturer*
20:13 <zombie67> or maybe jetway
20:13 <MTughan> Hmm, never heard of Jetway...
20:14 <Soul_keeper> they are a cheapo brand
20:14 <Soul_keeper> like foxconn
20:16 <Soul_keeper> ohhh atom
20:16 <Soul_keeper> no doubt that'll boot from usb
20:16 <MTughan> I'd be almost certain the Intel board would.
20:17 <zombie67> manual is here: http://download.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d945gclf2/sb/e4080402_en.pdf
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20:17 <MTughan> Yeah, I found it already.
20:19 <zombie67> the other question I need to answer is what is the minimum PSU size
20:19 <MTughan> Found the manual for the Jetway board too, just loading now...
20:20 <MTughan> With an Atom? Provided you don't put a monster GPU in there, I would think a 150W or less would do. Soul_keeper?
20:20 <Soul_keeper> heck probably 100w
20:21 <zombie67> the barebone boxes has 100W PSUs.
20:21 <Soul_keeper> 8watt for the cpu, like 20 or whatever for chipset .... barely anything
20:21 <zombie67> I want to make SURE that 100w will be enough for a dedicated cruncher
20:22 <Soul_keeper> well if you do like i would and install a 9800 GTX+ for cuda projects :) that would add an extra 80+ watts
20:22 <zombie67> heh. that won't fit
20:22 <Soul_keeper> geeze no pcie slot either ...
20:23 <Soul_keeper> best you could get in there would be an 8400 or something that's not worth it
20:23 <zombie67> this will not be a gpu cruncher
20:23 <MTughan> Well, considering the latest BIOS update for the Jetway is "To solve WinPE USB not boot", it'll boot USB.
20:23 <zombie67> good catch!
20:25 <zombie67> the intel manual does not talk about min PSU requirements.
20:25 <MTughan> Because there's not much about them.
20:26 <MTughan> The Atom 330 has a TDP of 8W, not much at all.
20:27 <zombie67> So...$154 for BB system, + a 2gb DIMM, + a HD
20:27 <zombie67> so what, a 4 thread 64 bit cruncher for only $200!
20:28 <MTughan> At 1.6GHz.
20:28 <MTughan> 4 thread? It's a dual core.
20:28 <MTughan> Oh, they have HT... Nice!
20:28 <zombie67> yeah, but with a seti opt app, or on abc, or on MW with opt app....you can get 2000/day
20:29 <zombie67> that's better than a Pentium D
20:29 <zombie67> almost as good as a c2d
20:29 <zombie67> for a lot less $ up front, and WAY less $ for power over time.
20:29 <MTughan> My C2Q smacks the snot out of it though. :P
20:30 <MTughan> At a higher cost in power though, true.
20:31 <zombie67> and what was your build cost?
20:31 <MTughan> About $500.
20:31 <MTughan> Not including MB, CPU, or RAM. Those were gifts.
20:32 <zombie67> hah! so call it $1000.
20:32 <zombie67> you could build *5* of these boxes for that
20:32 <MTughan> I also bought a $330 GPU.
20:32 <zombie67> AND still use less power
20:32 <MTughan> So if I had gone to a lower integrated graphics chipset, it would've lowered the cost by about $400, and lowered the PSU cost.
20:34 <MTughan> So the C2Q cruncher alone could probably go for about $400, not including case or HDDs.
20:34 <MTughan> Both of which can be had for quite cheap.
20:34 <MTughan> BTW, that's $400 CDN.
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20:35 <MTughan> And it'll churn out about 8000-10000 credits/day, depending on the project.
20:36 <MTughan> Just make sure you have some decent cooling...
20:36 <zombie67> thanks for the help
20:37 <MTughan> Anyway, the Atom cruncher sounds intriguing... Not necessarily something I'd go for, but interesting nonetheless.
20:37 <zombie67> i'll keep you posted with how good a cruncher it turns out to be
20:37 <MTughan> All right, sounds good.
20:52 <zombie67> hmmm, and perhaps a SSD!
20:52 <zombie67> lower power consumption, right?
20:52 <xcamel> laterz..
20:52 <zombie67> gn x
20:52 <MTughan> zombie67: Yeah, but much more upfront cost.
20:53 <zombie67> 16gb for $75, vs ~35 for a HD
20:53 <zombie67> how much room do I need for XP or vista?
20:53 <MTughan> Vista requires 40GB.
20:53 <zombie67> oh
20:53 <MTughan> Don't remember how much for XP.
20:53 <Soul_keeper> lol
20:54 <MTughan> Well, it's odd. Vista requires 40GB to install, but takes about 15GB after installation.
20:54 <Soul_keeper> you gotta be kidding ... yet it don't surprise me
20:54 <zombie67> oh, 64gb is $135
20:54 <MTughan> Linux x64 doesn't require much space.
20:55 <MTughan> Especially if you don't do KDE or GNOME, but something like XFCE. I believe that's smaller.
20:55 <Soul_keeper> yup
20:55 <MTughan> bbiab
21:03 <MTughan> b
21:10 <zombie67> I am going to buy these:
21:11 <zombie67> $215
21:18 <zombie67> opinions?
21:18 <Romulus> opinions are like buttocks: everyone has them, zombie67
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21:20 <MTughan> zombie67: Looks fine to me.
21:23 <zombie67> I am going to buy an external DVD burner, and use that for all future build installs. Also, I could go with smaller/slower memory and HD, but wouldn't save very much.
21:27 <MTughan> I have an external one that was made out of a spare DVD burner and a 5.25" enclosure. Like one you can get for 3.5" hard drives, but with a hole in the side for CD drives.
21:27 <zombie67> nice
21:27 <zombie67> the one I am going to buy will run on USB power, if you have access to two ports
21:28 <MTughan> All right. Mine has a standard computer power plug to power it, and can be daisy-chained off Firewire too.
21:28 <zombie67> a one-time buy, to never buy one ever again
21:28 <MTughan> You can probably build one for cheaper, but that's not too bad.
21:29 * Rookie_69 can barely afford to build a Wish Sandwich.
21:30 <zombie67> I prefer to spend the ~$20 to have it "just work"
21:36 <efc> Why don't doesn't the postman gets STDs?
21:37 <efc> Because he's only a carrier.
21:40 * Rookie_69 realizes that Eddie is as screwed up as the rest of us.
21:42 <efc> Them's Fightin Words
21:42 <Rookie_69> I said Us, not Them...
21:43 * efc is too enraged to listen to reason now
21:43 <Rookie_69> I guess that's no consolation.
21:43 <efc> &clubtodeath Rookie_69
21:43 <Romulus> efc: Are you daft?
21:43 <Rookie_69> Maybe...
21:44 * Rookie_69 only knows how to duck fish.
21:46 <Rookie_69> Duck eat fish, but duck taste better when they eat grain.
21:47 <Rookie_69> Duck that eat fish taste like fish for some odd reason.
21:49 * Rookie_69 wonders if mom has any duck in the freezer.
21:49 <MTughan> xcamel: DNS changes have propogated to my DNS.
21:51 <Rookie_69> Mom keeps ducks and chickens and geese as pets all summer and then slaughters them... Tasty.
21:52 * Rookie_69 drools on his way to bed.
21:52 <Rookie_69> NN.
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22:10 <MTughan> Oops... http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/07/1957236
22:10 <MTughan> Downadup strikes again.
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22:30 <efc> Another excuse for a better video card... Poser/Daz
23:08 <efc> I'm not insane. In fact I'm the only Sane one.
23:27 <jasong> Sanity is highly over-rated.
23:27 <jasong> ;)
23:35 <efc> My cherry sledgehammer agrees
23:35 <zombie67> and completely unnecessary
23:56 <jasong> Anybody watching SNL?
23:56 <jasong> I'm on a boat
23:57 <jasong> Makes me want to join to the rap industry
23:57 <jasong> ;)
23:58 <efc> Hehe saw that
23:58 <efc> I can't say it made a lot of sense