IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-02-13

00:03 <MTughan> lol...

00:03 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Sierpinski Valentine (at

00:09 <Soul_keeper> "Perl doesn't yet support references as hash keys."

00:09 <Soul_keeper> --beginning perl

00:14 <Soul_keeper> no wonder i was racking my brain for so long

00:14 <Soul_keeper> got me a headache now

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02:21 <efc> moo

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03:00 <CoderForLife> moo

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03:01 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 35.4F / 1.9C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Clear. Lows around 30. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds around 5 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow showers after midnight. Lows in (1 more message)

03:01 <CoderForLife> &more

03:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the lower 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.;

03:03 <efc> my piano transcription of some Tchaik symphonies came in

03:03 <CoderForLife> morning

03:03 <CoderForLife> I have basically no idea what that means

03:06 <efc> somebodies takes the symphony and boils it down to a piano part

03:07 <CoderForLife> it is "my" bevause you own it, or because you created it?

03:08 <efc> because I bought it for $22

03:08 <CoderForLife> ah

03:08 <efc> I already have the score so theoretically could have done it myself, but, yuck

03:08 <efc> there are people that can sit at the piano and read the score, though

03:09 <efc> like, look at all the parts, and pick out the top 10 notes that they want to play

03:09 <CoderForLife> I prefer my part only

03:10 <efc> I thought those Enzyte jokers were all in jail, but they are back

03:10 <CoderForLife> yeah - it's a local company here

03:13 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

03:18 <efc> Ohio?

03:18 <Romulus> I guess Ohio is getting snowed on, efc

03:19 <CoderForLife> b

03:19 <CoderForLife> yeah Cincinnati

03:19 <CoderForLife> actually in a northern suburb

03:20 <efc> "Berkeley Premium Nutraceuticals, along with other defendants, was ordered to forfeit $500 million"

03:20 <CoderForLife>

03:20 <Romulus> Title: Enzyte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

03:21 <efc> I know another guy in Ohio

03:21 <efc> Says its a depression up there

03:22 <CoderForLife> really?  I know a guy in Georgia that sells bad peanuts

03:22 * CoderForLife gets out the big brush

03:23 <efc> On the advice of my attorney, I respectfully decline to answer that question

03:23 <CoderForLife> ah, the company is in Forest Park

03:25 <CoderForLife> oh my, Caterpillar CEO contradicts The Obama

03:33 <efc> Plane crash

03:33 <efc> I guess they can quit bragging on the no fatalities. Way to jinx.

03:37 <CoderForLife> same applies to this late night posting of the conference committee report

03:46 <efc> Whats that?

03:58 <CoderForLife> the version of the porkulus that the Senate and House are massaging

03:59 <CoderForLife> promised to be posted 48 hours prior to vote - posted at 11pm last night for bote today

03:59 <CoderForLife> er vote

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04:00 <CoderForLife> bbiab

04:17 <CoderForLife> bbiab again

04:23 <efc> the weekly s@h outtage is early

04:27 <CoderForLife> I got a new WU 26 minutes ago

04:28 <efc> oh, now they're coming

04:29 <CoderForLife> it was down for awhile

04:29 <efc> but a few min ago, 2/13/2009 4:20:31 AM|SETI@home|Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)

04:29 <efc> i put custom exes on a long time ago, probably keeping me from getting astropulse wu's

04:30 <CoderForLife> ah - I have nothing custom

04:31 <CoderForLife> new version of astropulse at 4:02am

04:32 <efc> I guess eventually I'll shut it all down when GPU renders my credit/watt comparatively worthless

04:35 <CoderForLife> since when does frugality apply to boinc?

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04:46 <ELGono> moo dudes

04:46 <CoderForLife> moo

04:46 <efc> Out

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04:46 <ELGono> this is not my day

04:47 <ELGono> first my 22" Eizo CRT went up in smoke and my electronics exam could have been better, too ;/

04:47 <CoderForLife> related topics?

04:47 <ELGono> already got a replacement screen, but is has no 13W3 connector

04:48 <CoderForLife> Friday the 13th

04:48 <ELGono> well, not really related

04:48 <ELGono> in basics yes, exept the fact i will not put my hands on repairing high voltage devices

04:49 <CoderForLife>

04:49 <ELGono> so i'm starting a relaxing soldering session

04:49 <Romulus> Title: Triskaidekaphobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

04:49 <ELGono> my TV-B-Gone set arrived ;)

04:49 <ELGono> high power version for up to 150m

04:50 <ELGono> it's a remote with just one button ... and 40.000 power-off codes for almost any TV :)

04:50 <ELGono> hope i'm gonna have some phun with that later on ;)

04:51 <CoderForLife> heh

04:53 <ELGono> i'm really curious, if it works through the windows of block across the street

05:04 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for W@#%

05:04 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:04 <ELGono> laterz don, have a better day than i had so far ;)

05:11 <FreeLarry58> ELGono - i have found infered remotes work well on houses across the street

05:12 <ELGono> ahoi larry, long time!

05:12 <FreeLarry58> as long as direct line of sight

05:12 <FreeLarry58> well been around just not much to say

05:12 <ELGono> well this one works with 2 wide and 2 narrow LEDs

05:13 <FreeLarry58> one i had only had one transmit led in it

05:13 <ELGono> perfect for shutting down monitor walls in shopping centres ;)

05:13 <FreeLarry58> lol yeah

05:13 <FreeLarry58> or store displays facing street

05:14 <ELGono> last year all visitors of chaos communication congress order to stay away from mediamarkt (electronic shopping centre)

05:14 <ELGono> +had

05:14 <FreeLarry58> lol ohh bet drew alot of people to them

05:15 <ELGono> yea there was 2 french guys, wich biuld the LED inside a basecap

05:15 <ELGono> everywhere they looked at, TV's started to turn off at once

05:15 <FreeLarry58> blip blip blonk

05:16 <ELGono> i like the philosophy behind it ... TV sucks to much time and energy out of us

05:16 <FreeLarry58> been reading to many books recently - getting behind in the boob tube department

05:17 <FreeLarry58> ohh finally had a comp reach 1M credits

05:17 <FreeLarry58> of course its a quad

05:18 <FreeLarry58>

05:18 <Romulus> <> (at

05:19 <ELGono> nice maschine

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05:19 <ELGono> didn't had any computer upgrades since more than a year

05:19 * FreeLarry58 remembers one thing about inferred remotes - signal will bounce off white walls and still reach reciever

05:20 <FreeLarry58> pretty much the same here - trying to catch up on wifes bills

05:20 <ELGono> digging more into audio circuits ....

05:20 <ELGono> you've seen my last project?

05:20 <FreeLarry58> humm not sure - was it a power supply?

05:20 <ELGono>

05:20 <Romulus> <> (at

05:20 <ELGono> a SuperSymmetric GainClone

05:21 <ELGono> all point2point wired

05:21 <ELGono> will be housed in a SGI Indigo Computer case

05:21 <ELGono> and it sounds damn good

05:22 <FreeLarry58> humm not for comp is it?

05:22 <ELGono> no more sibilance "S" tones

05:22 <FreeLarry58> audio amplifier ps? - must be with that large of heatsink

05:22 <ELGono> thats a 2x 140W audio amplifier

05:23 <ELGono> a balanced one, where each side is coupled across another, wich makes it super-symmetric

05:23 <FreeLarry58> that aught to break a few speakers

05:24 <ELGono> well it's not that much power... current delivery capability could be better .... but for my speakers and my small rooms it's way enough power

05:25 <FreeLarry58> way more than needed

05:25 <ELGono> yep

05:25 <FreeLarry58> most of my audio speakers will only handle about 40 W

05:25 <FreeLarry58> 8 ohm

05:25 <ELGono> my speakers are rated 140W long term load

05:26 * FreeLarry58 ears only rated at 10W

05:26 <ELGono> but into 4 ohm this amp just delivers some 70W per channel

05:27 <ELGono> but as they have a sensivity of 86dB .... def. enough

05:27 * FreeLarry58 thinks you will feel the canonade from 1812 overature well

05:27 <ELGono> hehe 1812 was phun

05:27 <clusty> hoy

05:27 <FreeLarry58> howdy clusty

05:27 <ELGono> and "peter and the wulf" was great on this system, too

05:28 * FreeLarry58 remembers having to reseal back window on mazda after playing 1812 full up with windows closed

05:28 <ELGono> started to listen much more classic music since i finished this one, cause it sounds that good, that you can enjoy and relax classics

05:28 <ELGono> LOL

05:28 <FreeLarry58> didn't know what i was getting into

05:29 * clusty feels for not understanding a word ELGono just said, even though he shoud......

05:29 <FreeLarry58> its a phase clusty

05:30 <clusty> i meant the whole impedance story and decibels :D

05:30 <FreeLarry58> i started to listem to classical in mid 20's and back to easy listening mostly now -- of course i like the talk shows also

05:30 <ELGono> hehe thats how i felt in my electronics exam few hours ago clusty

05:30 <ELGono> not my day :(

05:30 <clusty> ELGono, LOOL. i did electrical eng as bachelors, but ran away as fast as i could after i finished....

05:31 <FreeLarry58> ohhh - guess i better duck my head - long time since i had to remember formulas

05:32 <FreeLarry58> don't feel bad clusty - i had some EE baffled when i was on ship when i asked what i thought was a simple question for them

05:32 <CoderForLife> back

05:32 <FreeLarry58> never could get that circuit to work right

05:32 <CoderForLife> so I walk away, and the place comes alive

05:32 <FreeLarry58> wb CoderForLife

05:33 <CoderForLife> thx

05:33 <clusty> but, are you not supposed to match impedances, unless you wanted to have soemthing really bad happen?

05:33 <CoderForLife> w@#% is one giant impedance

05:34 <FreeLarry58> CoderForLife check this one out

05:34 <Romulus> <> (at

05:34 <ELGono> well i can do practical .. theoretics is not my bright side

05:34 <CoderForLife> wow FL

05:34 <FreeLarry58> humm if remember right for audio - you are supposed to match ps impedence to speaker impedance for best sound

05:34 <clusty> :D

05:35 <clusty> LOOL CFL :D

05:35 <FreeLarry58> finally had a machine last long enough

05:35 <clusty> i suck at practics and love the theoretics :D

05:35 <clusty> that's why i mad a lousy engineer

05:36 <CoderForLife> Have a Happy Paraskavedekatriaphobia Day!

05:36 <CoderForLife> I'm off to w@#%

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05:36 <FreeLarry58> yeah - six months working on a system that had multiple grounds in control circuit and system circuits - causing multiple bad feedback readings

05:36 <ELGono> indeed larry... impedance matching has big effect on sounding

05:36 <FreeLarry58> tc CoderForLife

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05:37 <clusty> you guys use windows?

05:37 <FreeLarry58> mostly xp here one vista (sucks) and several fedora

05:38 <clusty> any advice for a irc client for windoze?

05:38 <ELGono> xp , debian and irix here

05:38 <clusty> i am on xchat for some time now

05:38 <clusty> but it crashes under win

05:38 <FreeLarry58> i use mirc

05:38 <ELGono> on windows i can recommend miranda

05:38 <clusty> you gotta pay or crack that

05:38 <clusty> so its a philosophical question :D

05:38 <ELGono> free multi-protocoll client

05:38 <clusty> would rather use GNU stuff

05:39 <FreeLarry58> mirc pay once for full function - i did after a years time

05:39 <ELGono> wich also can handle jabber and otr encryption

05:39 <clusty> ELGono, using pidgin now. lets give it a shot :D

05:39 <clusty> supports irc also

05:39 <FreeLarry58> well take care all - beddy bye time

05:40 <ELGono> laterz FL

05:40 <FreeLarry58> &nn

05:40 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

05:40 <clusty> btw

05:40 <clusty> does freenode not support ssl?

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05:42 <clusty> grrrr, pidgin is disgusting...

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05:42 <ELGono> Does freenode provide SSL-based client access?  Not at present. We did have a server set up as a testbed for a while, but we probably won't provide SSL on a consistent basis until we can provide end-to-end encryption.

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07:01 <xcamel> 'lo

07:31 <xcamel> nasty plane crash in buffalo last night

07:31 <xcamel> 49 doa

07:42 <xcamel> dash-80 -- icing -- high winds

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08:18 <MTughan> clusty: Which build of XChat did you use? Official, or SilvereX?

08:18 <clusty> MTughan, silverx

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08:18 <MTughan> All right, that's taken care of then...

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08:19 <clusty> somehow when i try to minimize to task bar it crashes

08:19 <clusty> ALWAYS

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08:24 <xcamel> 'lo Doug@w&^!

08:36 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay

08:40 <xcamel> bad day in buffalo

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10:08 <MTughan> xcamel: 50 dead now. One in the house. Last I heard anyway. Sad.

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10:44 <hawmps> 49 - 2 on the ground escaped.

10:44 <MTughan> The wife and daughter escaped, the father died from his injuries.

11:11 <hawmps> now news is saying 50 again... who knows.

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12:30 <zombie67> MT?

12:30 <Romulus> MT is right, zombie67

12:30 <MTughan> Here.

12:30 <zombie67>

12:30 <Romulus> <> (at

12:31 <MTughan> That requires a coding change, to integrate it with BOINC. Or a wrapper.

12:31 <zombie67> so what kind of help are they looking for?

12:33 <MTughan> Well, if the source is available, they could be asking for a code change to make the apps valid BOINC apps.

12:33 <MTughan> If not, a wrapper app is the best option.

12:35 <zombie67> i just asked for more specifics...what kind of help exactly?

12:36 <MTughan> I don't see an asking for help. The closest I could guess would be for someone to put the behaviour into the app.

12:36 <MTughan> I don't know why they can't just recompile their Linux and Windows sources for Mac, but something must be restricting them.

12:38 <zombie67> "Any assistance in bringing these to BOINC would be greatly appreciated."

12:39 <MTughan> Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about it right now. The Mac's just being mailed out this morning, and I won't have a new one for at least a week.

12:40 <MTughan> w00t, BOINCStats's daily seems to be back to the old time...

12:45 <zombie67> wow, look at that!

12:45 <MTughan> What?

12:45 <zombie67> stats already updated

12:45 <MTughan> Still purging.

12:45 <MTughan> Stats are updated, images aren't quite yet.

12:46 <zombie67> I am okay with that.  I look at the numbers anyway

12:46 <MTughan> I got my highest day on record yesterday... 21K!

12:46 <zombie67> congrats!

12:46 <zombie67> what project(s)?

12:46 <MTughan> Considering I set my previous highest record a couple days ago at 15K, that's huge. :D

12:46 <MTughan> ABC and MW.

12:47 <MTughan> Just under 14K from MW yesterday, 7333 from ABC.

12:48 <zombie67> yep, two good paying projects.  You have 64 bit machines?

12:48 <MTughan> And OSes.

13:03 <MTughan> Holy crap... You know you have too large of a cache when you have a C2Q @ 2.4GHz with Vista x64, and your average turnaround time on ABC is 14 day.

13:03 <MTughan> days*

13:04 <Soul_keeper> anything that can give me jiffies for a time in perl ?

13:04 <Soul_keeper> <Soul_keeper> without just dividing

13:04 <MTughan> Why do you want jiffies?

13:05 <Soul_keeper> accuracy

13:05 <MTughan> CPAN might have something. I don't know of anything off the top of my head.

13:05 <Soul_keeper> 1 second is not small enough

13:06 <Soul_keeper> it don't appear they do ...

13:08 <MTughan> The only result for jiffies in CPAN seems to be for Linux processes. Jiffy returns something called Jifty, which seems to be an application framework.

13:08 <MTughan> Are milliseconds accurate enough?

13:10 <MTughan> Hmm... Found a library that can handle nanoseconds. 1 billion ns = 1 s.

13:10 <MTughan>

13:10 <Romulus> <> (at

13:10 <Soul_keeper> yeah

13:10 <MTughan> How much accuracy do you need anyway?

13:10 <Soul_keeper> 1/10th or 1/100th (jiffy)   of a second

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13:11 <MTughan> A millisecond is 1/1000th of a second, so a millisecond library will suit you.

13:12 <MTughan> Found a reference to another module for milliseconds:

13:12 <Romulus> Title: Time::HiRes - High resolution alarm, sleep, gettimeofday, interval timers - (at

13:13 <MTughan> &google Perl millisecond

13:13 <Romulus> MTughan: Search took 0.22 seconds: Perl - How to get perl date time down to milliseconds ?: <>; RE: Time till millisecond :: ASPN Mail Archive :: perl -xml: <>; Milliseconds - nntp. perl .org: <>; Time in (3 more messages)

13:13 <MTughan> That can probably get you started too.

13:13 <Soul_keeper> ok great

13:13 <Soul_keeper> didn't know datetime could do that

13:13 <MTughan> I just checked out the first and third posts, the third has a code sample.

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13:47 <Soul_keeper> .84604    that last digit, is that a "billionth" ?

13:47 <Soul_keeper> 100,000th ?

13:47 <MTughan> 100,000th.

13:47 <Soul_keeper> interesting

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13:48 <MTughan> Just as 10^6 is a million, 10^-6 is a millionth.

13:49 <Soul_keeper> so   sleep(1);   takes  300,000ths of a second longer than 1 second   counting the print and stuff

13:49 <MTughan> lol

13:49 <MTughan> Wait... That number means nothing. Do you mean 3 100,000ths?

13:49 <Soul_keeper> i knew how to do this in C,  will come in handy in perl now :)

13:49 <Soul_keeper> yeah

13:50 <Soul_keeper> .00003

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13:52 <ELGono> rehi

13:53 <ELGono> tv-b-gone is working ;) had some pretty phun today playing with it

13:53 <ELGono> record was turning off a wall of LCD TVs in electronic supermarket

13:53 <ELGono> about 20 at once ;)

13:54 <MTughan> 'lo PovAdct_es

13:54 <MTughan> I got 21K on BOINC yesterday. :D

13:55 <XioNYC> &wx LGA

13:55 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 42F / 6C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h ; This Afternoon - Sunny and windy. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Saturday - Mostly (1 more message)

13:55 <XioNYC> &more

13:55 <Romulus> XioNYC: sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds around 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph.;

13:55 <PovAdct_es> MTughan: that doesnt beat seeing cirque du soleil in sevilla

13:56 <MTughan> What show?

13:56 <PovAdct_es> varekai

13:57 <MTughan> Hmm, haven't seen that one... Sounds cool.

13:57 <MTughan>

13:57 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Sierpinski Valentine (at

13:58 <PovAdct_es> lol @ tooltip

13:58 <MTughan> Yeah.

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14:27 <zombie67> MT:

14:27 <Romulus> <> (at

14:27 <MTughan> With the Windows/Linux version, or with something else?

14:28 <MTughan> Sorry, not trying to communicate with you, I'm just figuring out what else I should run.

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14:58 <Soul_keeper> perfect

14:58 <Soul_keeper> i can see perl struggling with all these floating point ops, but no 2-3% margin of error anymore :)

14:58 <MTughan> lol

14:59 <Soul_keeper> testing: 0

14:59 <Soul_keeper> Core0 User: 0.05%

14:59 <Soul_keeper> Core0 Nice: 99.87%

14:59 <Soul_keeper> Core0 System: 0.03%

14:59 <Soul_keeper> Core0 Idle: 0.00%

14:59 <Soul_keeper> Core0 IOWait: 0.00%

14:59 <Soul_keeper> Core0 Irq: 0.00%

14:59 <Soul_keeper> Core0 SoftIrq: 0.00%

15:00 <Soul_keeper> looks like a .05% margin of error now :)

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15:50 <PovAdct_es> eh, can never have enough USB ports

15:51 <MTughan> I have 12. :)

15:51 <MTughan> AMD's coming out with a southbridge that has 14.

15:51 <PovAdct_es> laptop

15:51 <MTughan> Three on my laptop... Agreed.

15:52 <PovAdct_es> PowerBook G4

15:52 <PovAdct_es> there are two

15:52 <MTughan> Two?

15:52 <PovAdct_es> both currently charging iPods

15:52 <MTughan> And I don't suppose it has like a PC card slot for others, does it?

15:52 <PovAdct_es> I gotta unplug one to transfer pics from camera

15:53 <PovAdct_es> I've never seen a Mac with PCMCIA...

15:53 <MTughan> True. The MacBook Pros have ExpressCard, but I haven't seen PCMCIA.

15:53 <MTughan> USB hub?

15:54 <PovAdct_es> we also have two cameras :P but no problem plugging first one then the other

15:54 <PovAdct_es> btw iPhoto = awesome

15:54 <MTughan> iPhoto '06, '08, or '09?

15:54 <PovAdct_es> 5.0.4, you tell me

15:54 <MTughan> No idea, but any version works...

15:55 <MTughan> How many photos do you have anyway?

15:55 <PovAdct_es> my dad has a newer Mac already ordered, should have arrived by the time we come back from vacation

15:55 <PovAdct_es> should come with the latest iLife I guess

15:55 <MTughan> Probably. Mine is getting sent back today too, should have a new one within two weeks.

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15:56 <PovAdct_es> from Spain we have 2215 (including a few videos and a few pictures that should be probably deleted; but without counting pictures taken today)

15:56 <MTughan> lol, nice... I can see how iPhoto would be a major help. ;P

15:56 <MTughan> :P *

15:57 <PovAdct_es> I got a plugin that lets you upload pictures into Facebook directly from iPhoto

15:57 <MTughan> Which is also integrated straight into iPhoto '09, but that's nice.

15:57 <PovAdct_es> much easier than browsing iPhoto library directory from Facebook upload thingy...

15:58 <PovAdct_es> btw I read a review saying iPhoto '09 face recognition isn't quite good

15:59 <MTughan> Wouldn't surprise me. I guess if people are looking right at the camera and the lighting's good, it works.

15:59 <PovAdct_es> iPhoto '09 Places feature + a camera with built-in GPS = total win

15:59 <PovAdct_es> (but we dont have either)

15:59 <MTughan> It sounds interesting, but I don't do that many photos...

15:59 <MTughan> Yes, the GPS tagging would be awesome... You can tag photos yourself too.

16:02 <PovAdct_es> we do have a Garmin GPS for the car, which is becoming invaluable over here

16:02 <MTughan> Don't I know it... Quite useful when we ventured east last summer too.

16:03 <MTughan> Although it took us over a country road one time... Really odd. We got ourselves back out to the highway, and it was fine...

16:03 <PovAdct_es> we had one problem once...

16:03 <MTughan> What model GPS?

16:04 <PovAdct_es> it was taking us through some little lost roads and we knew there was a highway nearby

16:04 <PovAdct_es> turns out we had left it in pedestrian mode

16:04 <MTughan> lol, nice.

16:04 <PovAdct_es> (you can't walk on highways)

16:04 <MTughan> I guess it didn't complain about your speed? :P

16:04 <PovAdct_es> nope

16:04 <PovAdct_es> needs some more intelligence there

16:05 <PovAdct_es> "you seem to be walking at 80km/h, do you want to switch to car mode?"

16:05 <MTughan> Yeah, it's not the smartest thing in the world... Works well enough mostly.

16:05 <PovAdct_es> it's not hard to implement...

16:05 <MTughan> Heh, even 30km/h would probably be enough...

16:06 <MTughan> What model GPS do you have anyway?

16:06 <PovAdct_es> nuvi something

16:07 <PovAdct_es> the model number matters (there's a wide range of nuvis) but I don't remember it

16:07 <MTughan> As are all their consumer models...

16:07 <MTughan> Yeah.

16:07 <MTughan> IIRC, I had/have a nuvi 260.

16:07 <PovAdct_es> it can speak the street names; I think that was its main difference with the previous model

16:08 <MTughan> So it's basically the same as mine then. This was the lowest model that could speak the street names.

16:08 <MTughan> I think my mom would find it easier to have that, but it's usually my dad or I who use it.

16:08 <PovAdct_es> (internally that's quite a difference though; needs speech synth instead of just recordings of someone saying "turn left" kind of stuff)

16:08 <MTughan> Definitely useful.

16:09 <MTughan> Yeah, but it helps when you have many small streets one after another. You can look at the name rather than counting off metres.

16:10 <MTughan> Oh yeah... Don't know if you're interested, but zombie67 was "looking" for someone to help get the PG apps on Mac. Apparently, they're having a hard time linking the library to the application.

16:11 <PovAdct_es> what library?

16:11 <MTughan> Doesn't say.

16:11 <Romulus> <> (at

16:12 <MTughan> I'd try it out over the next week as I'm off school, but I don't have access to a Mac.

16:13 <MTughan> Another interesting tidbit... Microsoft has offered a $250K USD bounty for information leading to the arrest/conviction of the author(s) of Conficker.

16:13 <PovAdct_es> I don't have access to a Mac with any development tools; and let's say I'm rarely sitting down lately, except inside a car :)

16:13 <MTughan> Yeah, that kind of complicates things... :)

16:13 <PovAdct_es> sleeping at a different place every night

16:13 <MTughan> All right, I can let zombie know next time I see him.

16:14 <MTughan> So, how is Spain anyway?

16:15 <PovAdct_es> hard to tell in few words...

16:16 <PovAdct_es> or to say something that applies to all places we visited :P

16:16 <MTughan> Such is the nature of nations... :P

16:17 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:17 <MTughan> Hehe...

16:17 <MTughan> 'lo zombie67

16:17 <zombie67> hi

16:17 <PovAdct_es> speak of...

16:17 <zombie67> sup?

16:17 <MTughan> Talked about PG's problems with Pov, he can't do anything.

16:18 <zombie67> I'm still not clear on what the problem is

16:20 <MTughan> Problem: No Mac apps. ;)

16:23 <PovAdct_es> MTughan: any idea if iPhoto 5 is the next-to-last, or if I'm *two* versions behind?

16:23 <PovAdct_es> it has quite a few annoyances

16:23 <MTughan> iPhoto '06 is two versions behind. It's possible you're three versions behind.

16:23 <PovAdct_es> o.o

16:24 <PovAdct_es> isn't the year a completely different way of versioning iLife?

16:24 <xcamel> Wife and daughter just ready to take off to Amsterdam, then to Milan

16:24 <PovAdct_es> ah shit, Copyright Apple 2002-2005

16:24 <wdsmia> asks PovAdct_es to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

16:24 <PovAdct_es> I really am outdated here

16:24 <zombie67> they have mac apps, but for some reason can't use them with boinc

16:24 <xcamel> Then Monaco, then Barcelona

16:24 <MTughan> PovAdct_es: I'm saying iPhoto 5 is possibly 2005.

16:24 <PovAdct_es> probably explains why some things are so stupidly annoying :P

16:24 <PovAdct_es> like tagging

16:25 <PovAdct_es> to add a tag to a picture, you drag the picture to the tag (huh) or go to Get Info, tag it, and close the info window

16:26 <PovAdct_es> in both cases you'd select the tag from a list

16:26 <PovAdct_es> to add a new tag name to the list you have to go through iPhoto preferences

16:26 <PovAdct_es> I've never seen such a painful tagging process anywhere

16:27 <PovAdct_es> I'd expect you click a photo and click a tag, or type a new one

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16:30 <PovAdct_es> I can't reorder folders inside folders

16:30 <PovAdct_es> I have A B C D E F

16:31 <PovAdct_es> I drag D to be before B, it shows visual feedback that it will indeed be put there

16:31 <PovAdct_es> I relese mouse... and D jumps to the end of the list (after F)

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16:33 <CoderForLife> re-hi

16:33 <CoderForLife> hello PovAdct_es =)

16:34 <efc> moo

16:34 <CoderForLife> moo efc

16:34 <xcamel> 'lo Don, Ed

16:34 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

16:34 <MTughan> 'lo Don

16:35 <CoderForLife> hello Michael

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16:35 <xcamel> Jack Cover, inventor of Taser stun gun, dies at 88

16:36 <xcamel> "shocking"

16:36 <MTughan> lol

16:37 <CoderForLife> here's my w@#% news of the day

16:37 <Romulus> <> (at

16:37 <xcamel> brag much?

16:37 <xcamel> hehehehe..

16:38 <xcamel> "Transsexual Mafia boss who wears lipstick and calls himself Kitty arrested by Italian police"

16:39 <CoderForLife> din-din  bbiab

16:39 <xcamel> anyway.. great showing

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16:47 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

16:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 27.4F / -2.6C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Snow | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Snow. New snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. North wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Snow likely early in the evening...then a chance (2 more messages)

16:47 <wdsmia> &more

16:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: of snow late in the evening. Colder. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Total snow accumulation 3 to 6 inches. Low 15 to 20. North wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 30s. North wind 5 to 15 mph.; Winter Storm Warning for Polk County in effect until 9:00 PM CST on February 13, 2009; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 1:30 PM CST (1 more message)

16:47 <wdsmia> &more

16:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: on February 15, 2009;

16:51 <wdsmia> going to be a ugly rush hour

16:51 <wdsmia> glad I took the afternoon off

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16:52 <MTughan>

16:52 <Romulus> <> (at

16:53 <wdsmia>

16:53 <Romulus> Title: Des Moines area tripGuide (at

16:53 <MTughan> wdsmia: Ouch, slow indeed...

16:53 <XioNYC> Wow.  And I thought *I* had a smoking problem...

16:53 <MTughan> lol

16:55 <xcamel> ditto.

16:56 * xcamel wonders if I should waster any more time with sata on this box...

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16:58 <jackygrahamez> hi

16:58 <xcamel> anyone ever seen a bios message like "not enough rom space..." flash by?

16:58 <xcamel> 'lo Jack

16:59 <jackygrahamez> hi @xcamel

16:59 <jackygrahamez> I'm about to try DA's new upgrade

16:59 <xcamel> 6. what?

16:59 <jackygrahamez> server upgrade

16:59 <xcamel> ah...

17:00 <CoderForLife> back

17:00 <xcamel> I'm waiting for 6.6.6 so I can run apocalypse@home

17:00 <CoderForLife> the Senate hasn't finished that app yet

17:01 <CoderForLife> thx for the "showing" msg xcamel

17:01 <xcamel> they're close..

17:01 <jackygrahamez> stimulus@home?

17:02 <xcamel> that's called marriage

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17:02 <xcamel> or cheating..

17:03 <CoderForLife> you can see the market impact in our numbers - assets under management dropped $3.1B - that's money people have in their investment accounts

17:03 <CoderForLife> er had

17:04 <CoderForLife> 12.5%  *poof*

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17:04 <xcamel> CFL - you'll enjoy this..

17:04 <Romulus> Title: Reason Magazine - Founding Father, Entrepreneur (at

17:06 <MTughan>

17:06 <Romulus> <> (at

17:07 <xcamel> bbiab...

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17:13 <CoderForLife> blue spooky MTughan

17:13 <MTughan> for what it looks like in normal light.

17:13 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:14 <CoderForLife> who's going to shop here?

17:14 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft to open own retail stores - Retail - (at

17:15 <jackygrahamez> Happy president's day weekend!

17:15 <MTughan> CoderForLife: Ain't me.

17:16 <CoderForLife> MS is too Apple-envious

17:16 <MTughan> I've never really liked Apple stores either.

17:17 <jackygrahamez> does Bill Gates greet you at the door and send you in the wrong direction?

17:17 <CoderForLife> heh

17:17 <jackygrahamez> Do you get a discount if you crash your car through the entrance?

17:18 <CoderForLife> crashes are a feature

17:28 * wdsmia watches the DOT webcams and sings slip sliding away

17:28 <CoderForLife>

17:28 <Romulus> <> (at

17:29 <CoderForLife> plink

17:30 <jackygrahamez> later

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17:41 <MTughan> All right, I'm off to Toronto... bbl

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17:44 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news February 13, 2009

17:45 <CoderForLife> bbiab

17:50 <yoyo_RKN> &wx sxf

17:50 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 11:20 PM CET; Clear. High:33 F.; Clear. Low:22 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.;

17:50 <yoyo_RKN> becomes colder

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17:52 <efc> moo

17:53 <xcamel> wowza.. that worked..

17:54 <efc> ran my 6k, 31:42, still recovering from the deer-season break

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18:01 <CoderForLife> back

18:01 <wdsmia> wb

18:01 <wdsmia> *lo Glenn

18:01 <CoderForLife> thx

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18:02 <Rookie_69> I was cursing the bulb in the oven for not going out and buying itself a replacement for the last month or three since it burnt out, when I looked in the drawer next to the stove and found a new one just sitting there. Go figure.

18:03 <Rookie_69> Is it Friday yet?

18:03 <wdsmia> the 13th

18:03 <Rookie_69> Hi Don, Doug.

18:04 <Rookie_69> Good. I'll win the lottery tonight for sure...

18:04 <CoderForLife> you don't need to buy a replacement oven to get the light to go out

18:05 <CoderForLife> did you buy a lottery ticket Glenn?

18:05 <Rookie_69> ... the bulb was inconsiderate enough to not go to the store and buy a replacement for itself...

18:06 <Rookie_69> What? I have to buy a ticket???

18:06 <Rookie_69> That's why I never win.

18:06 <CoderForLife> it's generally a necessary first step

18:06 <CoderForLife> but not a requirement

18:07 <efc> I guess the numbers, but don't buy the tickets, saves money

18:08 <CoderForLife> my bank is becoming unwound

18:09 <xcamel> how about that... a 428gb volume group.. woopee!

18:09 <CoderForLife>

18:09 <Romulus> <> (at

18:11 <CoderForLife> I'll re-post this for Doug and Glenn, then not mention it again

18:11 <Romulus> <> (at

18:30 * Rookie_69 looks at his insurance bill and thanks CoderForLife for not ever mentioning it again.

18:32 <CoderForLife> not my fault

18:33 <CoderForLife> and if it's not my company, it's *really* not my fault

18:34 * CoderForLife fills out a deposit slip with the proceeds from Rookie_69

18:35 * Rookie_69 can't really tell the difference between slugs and soft shelled snails.

18:35 * Rookie_69 ducks in advance.

18:37 <Rookie_69> Undertakers and traffic cops...

18:37 <Rookie_69> ... none of us really want to give them our business...

18:38 <xcamel> just keep your terrorist geese.

18:38 <Rookie_69> ... it's just inevitable.

18:38 <CoderForLife> lol

18:39 <Rookie_69> I didn't send them to NY... I said Afghanistan.

18:39 <CoderForLife> I mean really, can't Canada find some other way to get some press coverage?

18:40 <Rookie_69> We can crash-land some of our Canadair jets into houses in Buffalo...

18:40 <Rookie_69> OK... Bad joke.

18:40 <CoderForLife> and where'd the snow/ice come from?

18:41 <Rookie_69> Minnessota

18:41 <Rookie_69> ?

18:41 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking out of the Great White Frozen North

18:41 <xcamel>

18:41 <Romulus> <> (at

18:41 <Rookie_69> Most of mine comes from Jay.

18:43 <CoderForLife> Beck is good

18:44 <CoderForLife> he making too much sense lately

18:44 <CoderForLife> in all Fairness, we'll have to take him off the air

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18:46 <xcamel> short,,,,,,,, buttt good.

18:47 <CoderForLife> why it is when the meter reader can't read the meter due to weather, they estimate your usage at 4 times the national debt?

18:48 <Rookie_69> ... when the meter can easily be tied to the main computer through the grid, why is there even a meter reader?

18:49 <Rookie_69> Job security?

18:49 <CoderForLife> union

18:49 <xcamel> yupper

18:50 <Rookie_69> International Brotherhood of Electrical Wankers.

18:51 <Rookie_69> ... or whatever...

18:51 <CoderForLife> you shoudn't say that so close to your electric meter

18:51 <Rookie_69> The slum-lady pays the bill.

18:52 <CoderForLife> they can't read, but they can hear

18:54 <CoderForLife> boinc is an expensive hobby from a power point of view

18:54 <Rookie_69> Keeps my apartment warm.

18:55 <CoderForLife> all year round

18:55 <Rookie_69> I adjust the number of running boxes constantly.

18:56 <Rookie_69> Two shut off this week.

18:57 <Rookie_69> Supposed to cool off so one might come back on.

18:58 <Rookie_69> Almost quiet in here with only four running.

18:59 <CoderForLife> what did you say?!

18:59 <Rookie_69> I SAID... IT'S...

19:02 <Rookie_69> L:ast night it was warmer and a bit loud... I think at least one of the boxes need to be cleaned again.

19:02 <CoderForLife> you try to maintain a pain/clean balance?

19:04 <Rookie_69> Pain? When it goes quiet at night, I wake right up.

19:04 <Rookie_69> Something's wrong!

19:04 <Rookie_69> Must be a power failure!

19:06 <Rookie_69> Do I plug the alarm clock into the UPS or leave it to crunch as long as possible?

19:10 <Rookie_69> I tried that once and the alarm clock killed the UPS before morning, so what's the sense?

19:10 <Rookie_69> Maybe I need new batteries.

19:13 <CoderForLife> maybe so

19:13 <Soul_keeper> hmmm this DB better store hashs ...

19:20 * Rookie_69 wonders who would store hash in a DB...

19:21 <xcamel> usually store hash in tinfoil

19:27 <Soul_keeper> yup don't work

19:28 <Soul_keeper> gotta create fancy keys with 2 scalars

19:28 <CoderForLife>

19:28 <Romulus> <> (at

19:35 <xcamel> saw that..

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19:51 <xcamel> anyone heard from spit lately?

19:51 * KathrynM waves good morning

19:51 <xcamel> I just read a rather creepy story...

19:51 <xcamel>

19:51 <Romulus> <> (at

19:52 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

19:52 <xcamel> 'lo K

19:52 <KathrynM> Happy Saturday

19:52 <CoderForLife> indeed

19:52 <KathrynM> sunny after a day of rain

19:52 * Rookie_69 waves belatedly back at KathrynM.

19:53 <CoderForLife> yeah I was telling the guys at lunch about that UK guy

19:53 * KathrynM stretches and listens to her joints creak

19:54 <xcamel> That IIRC, is Spit's husband's name...

19:55 <Rookie_69> Him Upstairs.

19:55 <xcamel> yeah.

19:55 <CoderForLife> no - it's Peter, I think

19:55 <xcamel> maybe you're right

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19:55 <CoderForLife> I always thought he should be Peter Wolfton, not Peter Foxton

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19:56 <xcamel> might be related though

19:56 <CoderForLife> well, could be

19:57 * XioNYC has squandered another perfectly fine day on IRC.

19:57 <xcamel> lol

19:57 * Rookie_69 wonders if the Fox in Foxton was once Fawkes...

19:57 <CoderForLife> think of it as a hedge fund investment

20:02 <CoderForLife> well - time to talk to the wife for a bit

20:02 <CoderForLife> gn

20:02 <xcamel> rise of Helen tonight...

20:03 * CoderForLife sees he was never really here

20:03 <zombie67> MT?

20:03 <Romulus> MT is right, zombie67

20:03 <CoderForLife> Ellen, yes

20:03 <efc> I knew we hadn't seen the last of her

20:04 <CoderForLife> I've started watching the download on Saturday afternoon - can't hack 11pm on Friday night

20:04 <xcamel> last week was good... we were cheering at the end...

20:05 <CoderForLife> very good

20:05 <CoderForLife> good night all

20:05 <efc> I enjoyed watching Starbuck shoot some people. Need more of that.

20:05 <xcamel> gn

20:05 * CoderForLife stumbles away

20:05 <efc> night cfl

20:15 <xcamel> spork >>

20:15 * efc officially hates ticketmaster now

20:15 <xcamel> ticketmaster sucks

20:16 <efc> they make you wait for no purpose other than to make you nervous or something

20:16 <efc> there's an egypt exhibit here we want to see, got buy 1 get 1 deal, but have to go through these 'tards

20:21 <Rookie_69> Aren't Ticketmasters the ones who stopped selling tickets to the public and now sell them all to their subsidiary who resells the tickets at a horribly inflated price?

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20:22 <xcamel> basically, yes.

20:22 <Rookie_69> ... as if the original price wasn't horrible enough.

20:22 <efc> they want a 3.75 'convenience' charge, and $2.50 for me to print the ticket (?!)

20:22 <xcamel> ticketmafia, inc.

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20:24 <efc> then $3.50 to process the order

20:28 <Rookie_69> I was practically aghast to pay $11 to see Don Maclean back in the eighties somewhere.

20:29 <Rookie_69> ... sometime...

20:30 <xcamel> my average ticket was around $25

20:32 <xcamel> we have a pretty good venue nearby

20:32 <Rookie_69> Kiss is supposed to play here this summer for $85 or so for a piece of sod on the common.

20:32 <xcamel> ...waiting for the backup to my new logvol to finish..

20:33 <xcamel> trying to jamb that tiny card in next to the giant video card was a real trick

20:35 <Rookie_69> It'll rain and turn to mud again... And probably snow too.

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20:37 <Rookie_69> June seventh... It might snow.

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20:39 <xcamel> 'lo Q

20:52 <xcamel> well... off with me. backup finished... seems to be working nicely.

20:53 <Rookie_69> NN.

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20:59 <Rookie_69> &NN.

20:59 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Are you daft?

20:59 * Rookie_69 thinks so.

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22:03 <efc> looks like enormous steamer is about to drop

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22:24 <Ac-town> Hey

22:25 <efc> moo

22:26 <Ac-town> i seem to be having an issue with boinc running -allow_remote_gui_rpc in windows (service), any ideas?

22:26 <efc> I think there's something else you have to do

22:27 <efc> But I do it so seldom (already set up) that I forget..

22:27 <Ac-town> i have edited the password file

22:27 <Ac-town> it works fine when i manual do it

22:27 <efc> I have a gui_rpc_auth.cfg with password

22:27 <efc> yeah probably that one..

22:28 <Ac-town> i dont, but it still should work

22:28 <Ac-town> my linux clients have no issues

22:28 <efc> how about remote_hosts.cfg ?

22:28 <Ac-town> thats not needed also

22:28 <Ac-town> its jsut blank

22:28 <Ac-town> just*

22:29 <efc> Ok. It seems like when I set it up I just added that junk until it worked.

22:31 <Ac-town> since i cant edit the service's executable location (it has the -detach) i added it in the extra start paramaters

22:31 <Ac-town> then i start it, then no dice

22:32 <efc> I don't run as service.. the hardcore crunchers seem to be out atm

22:32 <Ac-town> ah, ok

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23:30 <Soul_keeper> WooHoo more rain !

23:30 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

23:30 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 49.5F / 9.7C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 3.6mph / 5.8km/h ; Rest of Today - Rain. Patchy dense fog. Near steady temperature in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Areas of dense fog in the evening. Rain in the evening...then (2 more messages)

23:30 <Ac-town> nice

23:30 <Soul_keeper> got me some chains on my ridin' lawn mower :)

23:31 <Soul_keeper> no more burn outs trying to plow thru thick wet grass

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23:39 <Ac-town> efc, i figured out how to do it, I had to edit the registery to add the -allow_remote_gui_rpc

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23:59 <efc> Glad you got it

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