IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-02-19

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00:30 <FreeLarry58> humm cant figure out how to detect and activate the wireless nic card in fedora 10 - guess i'll have to run a cable at least temporarily

00:34 <XioNYC> &wx LGA

00:34 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 43F / 6C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.46in / 997hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Rain this evening...then a chance of rain and drizzle after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming southwest 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Chance of rain near 100 (2 more messages)

00:34 <XioNYC> &more

00:34 <Romulus> XioNYC: percent.; Thursday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers in the afternoon. Breezy with highs in the upper 40s. Temperature falling to around 40 in the afternoon. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Windy with lows in the mid (1 more message)

00:34 <XioNYC> &more

00:34 <Romulus> XioNYC: 20s. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;

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00:45 <zombie67> hi kathrynm

00:45 <KathrynM> finally got a new modem

00:45 <zombie67> 14400 baud?

00:45 <KathrynM> the power supply on mine let out its magic smoke

00:45 <KathrynM> dsl modem

00:45 <zombie67> heh

00:45 <KathrynM> gotta go back to w&@^ tho :(

00:46 <KathrynM> on the positive side, only 3 hours to go

00:46 <zombie67> this is what I did over thanksgiving

00:46 <zombie67>

00:46 <KathrynM> laters

00:46 <Romulus> Title: Google Maps (at

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01:49 <zombie67> blink is bACK!

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02:01 <zombie67> BB!

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02:19 <FreeLarry58> humm is there a yum update for fedora10 that initializes a pci wireless nic?

02:19 <FreeLarry58> wired connection works well

02:22 <FreeLarry58> or msi video card drives (nvidia 9400)

02:26 <Soul_keeper> you can do all that yourself ...

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02:35 <efc> &math convert 990 mm to yards

02:35 <Romulus> efc: 1.08267716535

02:38 <FreeLarry58> Soul_keeper been looking -- do you know yum commands?

02:38 <Soul_keeper> no, i install everything myself and compile my own kernels

02:38 <FreeLarry58> evidently don't have drivers for the pci nic card

02:39 <FreeLarry58> ohhhh a real guru -- not even a good noob here on linux

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02:40 <FreeLarry58> looks even better on 27" TV using hdmi to dvi cable

02:40 <FreeLarry58> it all fits on screen

02:41 <FreeLarry58> doing its first updates currently

02:41 <FreeLarry58> then will try the instructions for yum install of boinc

02:47 <ELGono> mooo FL

02:48 <FreeLarry58> moo ELGono

02:49 <FreeLarry58> well time to leave the new machine and get a snack

02:54 <ELGono> coffee here ;)

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04:40 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 30.0F / -1.1C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Scattered snow showers this morning. Brisk with highs in the upper 20s. West winds 20 to 25 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around (1 more message)

04:41 <CoderForLife> &more

04:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 15. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.;

04:50 <FreeLarry58> humm thats nice - seeing 8 units working at a time

04:50 <FreeLarry58> new machine

04:50 <Romulus> <> (at

04:51 <CoderForLife> morning Larry

04:51 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife

04:51 <CoderForLife> hey Soul_keeper

04:51 <CoderForLife> plink

04:52 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, what database do you use for c/c++ ?

04:52 <FreeLarry58> morning CoderForLife

04:54 <CoderForLife> I mostly use MySQL

04:54 <Soul_keeper> isn't that php exclusive ?

04:54 <Soul_keeper> what about sqlite ? you use that ?

04:54 <CoderForLife> but I am also working directly with SQLite with C atm

04:54 <CoderForLife> MySQL is not PHP exclusive at all

04:55 <Soul_keeper> what documentation did you use for learning sqlite ?

04:55 <CoderForLife> the web site

04:55 <Soul_keeper> you were able to find enough there ?  seems hidden to me

04:56 <CoderForLife> I think I have a book on it somewhere

04:57 <Soul_keeper> the oracle berkeleydb documentation is a joke

04:57 <Soul_keeper> i spent a few hours trying to make it create a database, trying desperately for any of their example code to actually work, and failed

04:58 <Soul_keeper> sqlite don't look too bad tho i guess

04:58 <CoderForLife> I love MySQL - I am using SQLite as the basis for a boinc project, as I need to distribute the database with the WUs

04:58 <CoderForLife> My real system uses MySQL - I'll be puilling data out of it to populate tables in SQLite

04:59 <CoderForLife> I will verify results back against the MySQL-based system

04:59 <Soul_keeper> nice

05:00 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:02 <Soul_keeper> i don't understand why none of these people can list example code that actually compiles

05:02 <Soul_keeper>   example at the bottom is broken

05:02 <Romulus> Title: SQLite In 5 Minutes Or Less (at

05:05 <Soul_keeper> shouldn't the very first thing they talk about in documentation be what includes to use to actually make any of their stuff work ?

05:06 <Soul_keeper> undefined reference to `sqlite3_open'

05:07 <CoderForLife> b

05:08 <Soul_keeper> and of course google has nothing on such things

05:09 <MTughan> That's a linker error. Make sure you have all the necessary libraries being linked.

05:09 <CoderForLife> correcy

05:09 <CoderForLife> er correct  =)

05:10 <Soul_keeper> yes i need to know which libraries i'm supposed to be linking to

05:10 <Soul_keeper> gcc -Wall -g -lm -L/usr/include/sqlite3.h -L/usr/include/sqlite3ext.h sq2.c -o sq2

05:10 <CoderForLife> don't put the .h files there

05:10 <Soul_keeper> any others ?

05:10 <MTughan> -L marks a path to find libraries in...

05:10 <Soul_keeper> yeah ok guess i wasn't thinking ...

05:11 <CoderForLife> I have all the sqlite source code in my project (Visual Studio) - no library to link to

05:13 <CoderForLife> I use "#include "sqlite3.h"

05:13 <CoderForLife> and then call things like " sqlite3erc = sqlite3_open(resolved_name,&db);" with ease

05:14 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's not doing it for me

05:14 <Soul_keeper> and i have no's on my system

05:14 <MTughan> Where are the SQLite binaries? Or did you get source code?

05:14 <CoderForLife> again, I use the source code directly

05:14 <Soul_keeper> they apparently don't get compiled with a fresh sqlite install

05:14 <Soul_keeper> even with  --enable-shared

05:17 <Soul_keeper> very odd that they say  "the is the recommended source"

05:17 <Soul_keeper> typo and all

05:20 <Soul_keeper> ok the typo "not recommended" one works

05:20 <Soul_keeper> "Their use is not recommented. The SQLite developers do not use them. You should not use them either."     yet they work and the others don't ...

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05:24 <Soul_keeper> now i have to learn what "SQL-STATEMENT"  is supposed to be and why i need to know this ...

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05:30 <Soul_keeper> i got nowhere to turn to

05:32 <Soul_keeper> it's clear that i'm not wanted around here

05:33 <CoderForLife> hmm

05:33 <MTughan> I don't know much about SQLite, so I can't really comment on it.

05:33 <CoderForLife> that's not clear to me at all

05:33 <MTughan> BTW, I passed you. :P

05:35 <Soul_keeper>   i'm trying to run that example C program, but i don't understand what they mean by "SQL-STATEMENT"  and somehow i'm supposed to be able to populate the db with these ...

05:35 <Romulus> Title: SQLite In 5 Minutes Or Less (at

05:36 <Soul_keeper> doesn't seem like a 5min affair at all, more like 5hrs

05:37 <Soul_keeper> so what do you guys do when you feel like you're a failure, have always been a failure, and will never amount to anything ?

05:37 <CoderForLife> lemme look

05:38 <Soul_keeper> i probably shouldn't be trying to learn anything in my state of mind

05:39 <CoderForLife> SQL-STATEMENT is whatever SQL statement you want to issue against the database, like "SELECT * from tablename"

05:39 <CoderForLife> do you know SQL?

05:39 <Soul_keeper> so it's no a  key/value pair then ?

05:39 <CoderForLife> nope

05:39 <CoderForLife> SQL

05:39 <Soul_keeper> i know nothing of this

05:40 <Soul_keeper> i guess this won't work for me at all then

05:40 <CoderForLife> it's an SQL database

05:40 <Soul_keeper> basically i need to store  a few thousand keys with a strings assigned to them (value)

05:40 <CoderForLife> SELECT name from users where name like "Soul%";

05:41 <Soul_keeper> so each user has their own access, then they need a table, then inside the table we got values but no keys ?

05:42 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

05:42 <CoderForLife> typically each row of a SQL table has a key

05:42 <CoderForLife> sounds like your table would have a key and a single value

05:43 <Soul_keeper> ok i think this helps me enough to where the docs might actually almost make sense

05:43 * CoderForLife just tuned 10MB of text out of his output file

05:43 <Soul_keeper> i'll have to spend a few hours with them

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05:44 <CoderForLife> Coding is a great way to spend time

05:44 <Soul_keeper> i can't believe berkeley db is so difficult for me to learn

05:44 <Soul_keeper> according to the people in #c it's easy, and i'm a noob

05:45 <CoderForLife> I have found that rarely has knowledge sprung off the screen at me - I have to dig and wallow around for awhile

05:45 <MTughan> It may just be common database theory that you're unfamiliar with, and making the API seem harder than it it?

05:46 <Soul_keeper> it's a matter of not being able to find a single peice of code on the internet that compiles with   create/write/read/close  capabilities

05:47 <Soul_keeper>   this kind of stuff does me no good if i can't see how it works

05:47 <Romulus> <> (at

05:48 <Soul_keeper> file:///home/soul/build/db-4.7.25/docs/gsg/C/DB.html    this code don't compile, they conveniently leave things out that make it work

05:48 <Soul_keeper> errr

05:49 <MTughan> Yeah, I can't read file:// files... :P

05:49 <Soul_keeper>

05:49 <Romulus> <> (at

05:51 <MTughan> This doesn't cover the C interface of SQLite from what I can tell, but covers SQLite's SQL syntax.

05:51 <Romulus> Title: SQLite Tutorial (at

05:51 <Soul_keeper> would be nice just to get to the point where i could make it create a db file ...

05:52 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'll probably have to go with sqlite, the documentation seems much better

05:52 <Soul_keeper> but supposedly i'm a worthless noob unless i learn berkeleydb

05:53 <MTughan> I thought Berkeley DB was sort of a subset of many other DBs?

05:53 <Soul_keeper> i don't think so

05:53 <Soul_keeper> appears oracle owns it or something

05:54 <Soul_keeper> and oracle don't want people knowing things without giving them money ...

05:54 <CoderForLife> I have never done anything with Berkeley DB, except when it was embedded under the hood, like with LDAP

05:54 <CoderForLife> I am not a worthless n00b

05:55 <Soul_keeper> i was under the impression that berkeleydb was some kinda industry standard ...

05:55 <CoderForLife> it's history

05:55 <Soul_keeper> well i see that firefox uses sqlite

05:56 <CoderForLife> the biggest "standard" right now is MySQL

05:56 <CoderForLife> if you want to buy your database, then Oracle is the most widely used

05:57 <CoderForLife> SQL Server is probably next after that

05:57 <CoderForLife> I'm late getting ready for w@#%

05:57 <Soul_keeper> ok

05:57 <CoderForLife> bbiab

06:00 <Soul_keeper> that's a good tutorial MTughan

06:00 <Soul_keeper> thanks

06:04 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you're generating a lot of credit for only having two active systems with boinc

06:13 <MTughan> Sorry, had to take the garbage out...

06:13 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: You're welcome, and I know. :)

06:14 <MTughan> And that's only CPU, I haven't been able to get the GPU running yet.

06:16 <Soul_keeper> what gpu you got again ?

06:16 <MTughan> HD4870.

06:16 <MTughan> With the credit limit at MW removed, some are claiming about a credit/second.

06:17 <Soul_keeper> nice

06:17 <MTughan> 86400 seconds in a day... Let me see if I can find that.

06:18 <MTughan>

06:18 <Romulus> <> (at

06:26 <Soul_keeper> yeah i wish my 3870 would do something, i'm gonna hafta put it in the scrap heap soon

06:26 <MTughan> 3870 should be supported.

06:26 <MTughan> IIRC, it's the 38xx and 48xx cards that are supported.

06:27 <Soul_keeper> yeah but linux support will likely drag

06:27 <MTughan> Ah, Linux support... Yeah, just Windows support right now.

06:27 <MTughan> At least 32-bit was added recently, you needed Windows x64 before.

06:28 <Soul_keeper> i'm thinking about replacing this 3870 with a  9800GTX+ or something

06:29 <MTughan> Oh, so stinking close to 1 mil...

06:29 <MTughan> 998,709

06:29 <Soul_keeper> 1,969,326

06:29 <Soul_keeper> close to 2 mil  here :)

06:30 <MTughan> You've also been crunching for longer. ;)

06:30 <Soul_keeper> i might have to skip an upgrade cycle or two

06:30 <Soul_keeper> can't afford stuff

06:31 <Soul_keeper> best to spend my time coding

06:31 <MTughan> And probably with more computing power. Up until about October, I had a Pentium 4 @ 3.15GHz and a 32-bit Core Duo Mac.

06:31 <MTughan> I then added the 2.53GHz 64-bit CPU. Note the "64-bit" ;)

06:32 <Soul_keeper> i want more memory, even tho it won't help with RAC

06:33 <MTughan> How much do you have now?

06:33 <Soul_keeper> my 64-bit system only has 512MB

06:33 <Soul_keeper> this system has 2GB  which is mostly enough

06:34 <MTughan> 64-bit system is running Linux, I presume?

06:34 <Soul_keeper> yeah

06:34 <MTughan> Graphical or command-line?

06:34 <Soul_keeper> the memory is always maxed out

06:34 <Soul_keeper> well, it would be at the command line, but boinc forces me to run X for it to detect cuda

06:35 <MTughan> Ah, that doesn't help... What desktop?

06:35 <Soul_keeper> xfce, the minimal

06:36 <MTughan> Sounds good. But yeah, more memory is always good, especially if it's maxed out all the time...

06:36 <MTughan> Relieves stress on the hard drive too. ;)

06:36 <hawmps> 'lo

06:36 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

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06:37 <Soul_keeper> i was thinking i'll upgrade this system to 4GB and put the 2GB in it.  that would only run me 50 bucks  and i'd have 1GB per core on both systems

06:38 <MTughan> And your quad gets a nice boost too.

06:38 <Soul_keeper> yeah

06:38 <MTughan> $50 ain't bad. Not as bad as a new system in any case.

06:38 <Soul_keeper> i got an extra 512MB of ddr2 laying around  256x2  but they aren't worth using (slow early stuff)

06:39 <Soul_keeper> would just slow down my main rig, and not enough mem slots for it in my other rig (only 2)

06:40 <Soul_keeper> i'm surprised that 512Mb lasted so well for a dual core system

06:40 <Soul_keeper> wouldn't have made it 1 day in windows :)

06:40 <MTughan> 512MB was enough for XP.

06:41 <Soul_keeper>   i was looking at this

06:41 <Romulus> <> (at

06:41 <Soul_keeper> they have a canada and china link on newegg now btw

06:42 <Soul_keeper> Shop by Region: United States | Canada | China

06:42 <Soul_keeper>   this is what i have in my main system right now

06:42 <Romulus> <> (at

06:42 <MTughan> Yeah, I know there's a Newegg Canada.

06:43 <MTughan> Ah, nice kit. I have the XP-8500 kit, basically the next level up.

06:43 <Soul_keeper> so can you order anything off their site ?

06:43 <MTughan> If I felt like it, and they had it on their Canada site.

06:43 <Soul_keeper> so the products are different then ?

06:44 <MTughan> Only thing I've ever ordered online was some ArctiClean and some CCFLs from NCIX.

06:44 <Soul_keeper> different inventory that is

06:44 <MTughan> Possible. I haven't checked any items.

06:44 <CoderForLife> OK - ready for w@#% - off I go

06:44 <Soul_keeper> yeah i was looking at the faster memory kits, i don't much see the point

06:44 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:44 <Soul_keeper> later CoderForLife

06:45 <hawmps> anyway yo override the einstein daily quota?

06:45 <hawmps> 'to' even..

06:46 <Soul_keeper> not that i know of ...

06:46 <MTughan> hawmps: Why, crunched too many E@H WUs for the day?

06:46 <hawmps> why is it set to "2"

06:46 <MTughan> Have you been returning errors?

06:47 <hawmps> no..

06:47 <hawmps> just on this host it seems..

06:47 <MTughan> Only way I know that it would get down to 2 is if you were returning errors.

06:47 <hawmps> would a reset help?

06:47 <MTughan> Possibly, I wouldn't bet on it.

06:48 <hawmps> strange

06:59 <Soul_keeper>   cuda enabled seti apps up :)

06:59 <Romulus> Title: Crunch3rs BOINC page (at

07:06 <Soul_keeper> i'll hafta try those when the seti servers aren't down

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07:39 <hawmps> cool:

07:39 <hawmps>

07:39 <Romulus> <> (at

07:50 <MTughan>

07:50 <Romulus> Title: Rumor: AMD to strike at Intel with dual-core 'Callisto' - The Tech Report (at

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08:24 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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08:52 <hawmps> &wx 12020

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08:52 <hawmps> &more

08:52 <Romulus> hawmps: Southwest winds around 5 mph... increasing to west 10 to 15 mph this afternoon. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Lows around 19. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Blustery and cooler with highs around 30. West winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up (1 more message)

08:52 <hawmps> &more

08:52 <Romulus> hawmps: to 40 mph.;

09:01 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

09:01 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 8.9F / -12.8C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low around 10. Northwest wind near 5 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of (1 more message)

09:01 <wdsmia_w> &more

09:01 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: snow in the afternoon. High in the mid 30s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

09:19 <PovAddict> yay, another credit discussion in boinc_projects

09:20 <PovAddict> huuuge thread

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09:45 <MTughan> PovAddict: This one?

09:45 <Romulus> <> (at

09:46 <MTughan> And that doesn't include 5 more posts today...

09:46 <PovAddict> that one

09:46 <MTughan> BTW, wb.

09:48 <PovAddict> what app was that btw?

09:48 <PovAddict> thunderbird?

09:48 <MTughan> Yeah.

09:48 <MTughan> Required two screenshots stitched together, the thread is so long.

09:49 <PovAddict> KMail crashed twice, and had strange behavior (that needed a restart to get back working correctly) two or three times while I was cleaning my inbox just today

09:49 <MTughan> Also, you chose a good day to come back... Gonna hit 1 mil today. :D

09:49 <MTughan> 999,947 credits as of the latest BOINCStats update.

09:49 <PovAddict> and *nobody cares*, KDE devs would look at me like I'm on Windows 98

09:49 <PovAddict> (because I still haven't gone to KDE4)

09:50 <MTughan> I haven't tried it, but I heard KDE 4.2 is much better than 4.0 or 4.1.

09:50 <PovAddict> ...which isn't saying much

10:15 <clusty> PovAddict, hey povie

10:15 <clusty> ...and rest

10:55 <ELGono> wow nice apod today

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11:25 * CoderForLife looks in from w@#%

11:25 <CoderForLife> Are you home now, PovAddict?

11:26 <CoderForLife> if so, wb

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12:16 <ELGono> moo don

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13:04 <ELGono> lol

13:04 <ELGono> skype reverse engineered

13:04 <ELGono> and they found a remote exploid ;)

13:04 <ELGono>

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18:05 <wdsmia> &more

18:05 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent chance of snow. Breezy. Low 15 to 20. North wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to northwest 20 to 25 mph after midnight. Gusts up to 35 mph.;

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18:23 <CoderForLife> hey Jay

18:24 <PovAddict> <- using Windoze

18:24 <CoderForLife> you'll spend your whole life w@#%ing PovAddict

18:24 <PovAddict> :|

18:24 <CoderForLife> live for the moment - take tomorrow off

18:25 <CoderForLife> besides - it's Friday

18:25 <PovAddict> exactly...

18:25 <PovAddict> even one of the company owners told me that... :P

18:25 <PovAddict> not going for three weeks, what's the point of going on a Friday just to get on weekend immediately after?

18:25 <CoderForLife> so, by popular consensus, it's Friday

18:26 <PovAddict> it's like an interruption

18:26 <CoderForLife> spoil a perfect week

18:26 <PovAddict> yup

18:26 <xcamel> almost..

18:26 <PovAddict> I'm trying to create an iPhone App Store account without a credit card

18:26 <CoderForLife> I'm finally really Coding on my original boinc project

18:26 <xcamel> good luck with that..

18:26 <PovAddict> (I don't plan to get any non-free apps, yet it looks like account creation has a mandatory "specify your payment method and card number" step)

18:27 <CoderForLife> my project I started before I began showing up here

18:27 <PovAddict> sounds like my kind of project!

18:28 * PovAddict looks at his C:\projects folder

18:28 <CoderForLife> I'll share some details soon

18:28 * PovAddict ...on both computers

18:30 <xcamel> nothing like a knock-down drag out with time warner

18:30 <CoderForLife> I hate that

18:31 <KathrynM> tgif

18:31 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM =)

18:31 <xcamel> tgiaf.

18:32 <KathrynM> new power supply for my modem.  the magic smoke came out of the old one

18:32 <CoderForLife> I see you've had connectivity problems too KM

18:32 <CoderForLife> got to keep the smoke in

18:32 <KathrynM> yeah.

18:32 <KathrynM> the little details

18:32 <CoderForLife> who'd a thunk it?

18:33 <KathrynM> gah people.  pastebin the logs

18:33 <PovAddict> lol?

18:33 <KathrynM> (talking about the alpha list)

18:35 * KathrynM wants to shoot the people alpha testing who refuse to report stuff to the list

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18:38 <xcamel> lol:

18:38 <xcamel>

18:38 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:54 <CoderForLife> A nice gesture, but this is already going to cost me enough, without screwing up my credit score

18:55 <xcamel> best laid plans....

18:55 <jasong> Hey, cfl, what's the project you just mentioned?

18:56 <CoderForLife> hmm?  the one I'm just now Coding?

18:56 <jasong> I know you said details later, but I'm assuming you know what you're going to study

18:56 <CoderForLife> yeah - I know exactly

18:56 <jasong> What are you going to study?

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18:56 <CoderForLife> "details later"

18:57 <jasong> lol

18:57 <PovAddict> you should release it on April 1

18:57 <PovAddict> then nobody will believe it

18:57 <PovAddict> I want to do that...

18:57 <CoderForLife> at the rate I'm going I should be able to that

18:58 <CoderForLife> providing I get some help from someone

18:58 <PovAddict> you mean it will be done by April 1?

18:58 * CoderForLife looks around the room

18:58 <CoderForLife> ready to run

18:58 <PovAddict> not sure *I* can help... I have my own stuff I want to release for real on April 1 and I think I wouldn't make it :P

18:59 <CoderForLife> looks like I will have about 330,000 cases to run in the first go-round - those may get packaged up into WUs of multiple cases, depending on run time

19:00 <CoderForLife> 330,335 to be exact

19:00 <jasong> I came up with my own project, but I don't have any coding ability

19:00 <jasong> The Bible Code Project

19:01 <jasong> You guys remember the whole Bible Code phenomenon?

19:01 <CoderForLife> yep

19:02 <jasong> I have a hypothesis that they were on the right track, and that when the final book is opened, as predicted in Revelation, it will exist in more than 3 dimensions

19:02 <PovAddict> how can that be tested by computers?

19:02 <jasong> So my project is to simulate basic shapes in up to 20 dimensions and super-impose the Law Books on them

19:03 <jasong> Then search for words, looking for actual language

19:03 <CoderForLife> that is beyond my Coding ability

19:03 * PovAddict forgot his IPv6 tunnel account password

19:03 * PovAddict hates passwords

19:03 <CoderForLife> Security...

19:03 <xcamel> lol

19:03 <jasong> I figure it would be a fairly small program to run, but would be a bitch to learn the skills to actually code

19:04 <PovAddict> someone said it's always a tradeoff between security and convenience

19:04 <jasong> I'd have to understand the math, too

19:04 <PovAddict> a retina check every time you do an HTTP request would be quite secure, but...

19:04 <CoderForLife> a rare intersection betwixt the 2, PovAddict

19:05 * xcamel is still amazed a machine can boot fully from a ".dat" file

19:05 <PovAddict> hey, it can boot from a chunk of magnetized metal!

19:05 <xcamel> smart as...

19:05 <PovAddict> as smart as who?

19:11 <xcamel> like the farmers say.. "Strong like Bull, Smart like Fencepost."

19:16 <xcamel> ----- Rom: I've uploaded 6.6.10 to

19:16 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at

19:16 <xcamel> seems to be a workfetch fix..

19:16 <xcamel> wonders never cease..

19:17 <PovAddict> 6.4 was super-rushed

19:17 <PovAddict> they're still trying to get the scheduling to work

19:17 <xcamel> ya think?

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19:17 <PovAddict> all to make it match the date of an nVidia press release

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19:23 <CoderForLife> wb

19:24 <xcamel> what's the chances 6.6.10 will be 'good' ?

19:24 <PovAddict> got IPv6 back working

19:24 <CoderForLife> about the chances that $75B will be good

19:24 <PovAddict> xcamel: as good as all the previous ones?

19:24 <PovAddict> you tell me... I haven't run anything later than 6.2.x

19:25 <xcamel> cfl - it's $275 billion.

19:26 <xcamel> and the latest 'Elmer Fudd" comment was very telling...

19:26 <PovAddict> ?

19:26 <PovAddict> last I heard, Steve Ballmer was Elmer FUD

19:27 <xcamel> we have a better one in congress

19:27 <xcamel> 'bawwny fwwank'

19:29 <PovAddict> I got an envelope with all the stuff to vote in Spain

19:30 <PovAddict> I have double nationality, argentina and spain

19:30 <xcamel> Spain went socialist - there is no point to voting

19:31 <PovAddict> spain sends stuff to vote by mail to all citizens living abroad

19:31 <CoderForLife> we do that here in Chicago

19:32 <CoderForLife> but we include the dead as well

19:32 <PovAddict> I don't know *anything* about Spain politics...

19:33 <xcamel> and the undead

19:33 <xcamel> they get to vote twice.

19:33 <CoderForLife> figures xcamel - it was $50B last night, $75B today - it has to be up to $275B by now

19:33 <PovAddict> I'm supposed to vote but I know nothing about the candidates

19:35 <xcamel> Fwank said it was "to save the states property tax systems"

19:35 <CoderForLife> ok - the eyes are glazing over - it's too dangerous to continue Coding now

19:36 <CoderForLife> Bawwny is an..  well that would be repeating myself

19:36 <PovAddict> just take note of the current revision number* and go on... tomorrow you'll know what to revert if it turns out you *did* write ugly code while sleepy :)

19:36 <PovAddict> (* because you ARE using version control, aren't you?)

19:37 <CoderForLife> svn

19:37 <CoderForLife> plugin to VS 2008

19:37 <PovAddict> good

19:37 <CoderForLife> I knew you'd approve

19:38 * CoderForLife quickly commits changes

19:38 <PovAddict> even cvs (shudder) would be better than nothing at all

19:39 <CoderForLife> ok - time to kick back with a grape soda

19:39 <CoderForLife> gn

19:39 <PovAddict> Linus Torvalds disagrees, he says manually-tracked numbered archives are way better than cvs

19:39 <PovAddict> :p

19:39 <CoderForLife> what does he know about Coding?

19:40 <PovAddict> a lot

19:40 <PovAddict> but he argues as much as he Codes

19:40 <xcamel> he argues more than he codes.

19:41 <PovAddict> not sure if I'd say that considering he wrote git in 3 days... but it could be

19:41 <PovAddict> what's sure is he argues without real *arguments*

19:41 <PovAddict> just "I'm right, and if you disagree you're a fool"

19:41 <CoderForLife> needs to take a break like Eric Raymond

19:43 <CoderForLife> "I was a historian before I was an activist, and one of the things I've paid attention to are patterns of success and failure in reform movements. One of the things I've observed is movements that remain dependent on the talents and charisma of key individuals don't survive those individuals. In fact, if your charismatic founder doesn't step offstage, healthy reform movements often end up having to ritually execute, banish or disgr

19:43 <CoderForLife> erly into sustainable institutions. "

19:43 <Romulus> Title: Interview with Eric S. Raymond (at

19:45 <CoderForLife> with that, I'll wander away into the dark night

19:45 <CoderForLife> gn all

19:46 <xcamel> a successful movement is one that doesn't require a second trip to the toilet.

20:06 <xcamel> looks like no linux build...

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20:51 <xcamel> laterz..

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21:52 <jasong> Eric Raymond seems very humble.

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23:58 <jasong> When I use Lenny, I get all the free software I want and don't have to pay a cent.

23:59 <jasong> Can you imagine someone talking about Ubuntu and saying that with a cop around? ;)

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