IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-02-21

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01:12 <Tank_Master> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiyKKYpzqOs&fmt=22

01:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cvxz2t> (at www.youtube.com)

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03:03 <Soul_keeper> strcat ( frequencystring, &buf[count2] );     why can't i do something like this in C ?

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03:12 <CoderForLife> morning

03:12 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:12 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 24.6F / -4.1C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Increasing clouds. A slight chance of snow late. Lows in the mid 20s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Saturday - Periods of rain and snow. Snow accumulation an inch or less. Breezy (1 more message)

03:13 <CoderForLife> &more

03:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: with highs in the lower 40s. South winds 15 to 20 mph...becoming southwest 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.; Saturday Night - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

03:15 <CoderForLife> you can Soul_keeper

03:17 <CoderForLife> as long as frequencystring is char * and &buf[count] is char * to null-terminated string

03:17 <CoderForLife> be sure sizeof(frequencystring) is big enough to avoid overrun

03:18 <Soul_keeper> http://linuxsociety.pastebin.com/me6f5922

03:18 <Romulus> Title: linuxsociety private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at linuxsociety.pastebin.com)

03:19 <Soul_keeper> i've got about 100 lines of commented out things that don't work now ...

03:19 <CoderForLife> that is different than what you said here

03:20 <Soul_keeper> printf( "test %c\n", buf[count2] );       this prints exactely what i want to be concatenated to frequencystring

03:20 <CoderForLife> the 2nd parm must be char *

03:20 <Soul_keeper> i put that there as a test

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03:20 <CoderForLife> here you said &buf[count2]

03:20 <Soul_keeper> yeah i tryed that too

03:20 <CoderForLife> the code says buf[count2]

03:21 <CoderForLife> strcat concatenates one *string* to anotehr

03:21 <CoderForLife> not a character to a string

03:21 <Soul_keeper> yeah i get segfaults anytime i try to put a string pointer (char) in there

03:22 <Tank_Master> SK!

03:22 <Tank_Master> CFL!

03:22 <Tank_Master> howdy :)

03:22 <CoderForLife> because &buf[count] is a pointer to a string, but you dont' have a null terminated string there

03:22 <CoderForLife> just a single character

03:22 <Soul_keeper> if it's a pointer to a string then it's not what i need

03:24 <CoderForLife> you'd be better off with char temp[2]; temp[0]=buf[count2]; temp[1]=0; strcat(frequencystring,&temp);

03:25 <CoderForLife> the 2nd parm is now a char * to a null-terminated string containing the character you need to concatenate

03:26 <CoderForLife> keep the faith - you'll be a Coder yet =)

03:26 <Soul_keeper> just tryed that, didn't work

03:26 <CoderForLife> hey Tank_Master

03:27 <Tank_Master> :)

03:27 <CoderForLife> btw - where is SIZE defined in your code

03:28 <Soul_keeper> ok think i discovered something

03:28 <Soul_keeper> 30

03:28 <CoderForLife> and put char temp[2]; after the char buf and char frequency declarations

03:28 <Soul_keeper> 3 leading junk things from &temp

03:29 <CoderForLife> did you replace your strcat line with my temp[0]=buf[count2]; temp[1]=0; strcat(frequencystring,&temp); ?

03:30 <Soul_keeper> yes

03:31 <CoderForLife> life should be good right now

03:32 <CoderForLife> There's More Than One Way To Do It

03:33 <Soul_keeper> so what causes a diamond shaped character at console ?

03:33 <CoderForLife> printing non-printable characters

03:33 <CoderForLife> is buf all characters?

03:34 <CoderForLife> or does it have binary data, or tabs in it?

03:35 <CoderForLife> your printf("test %c... is printing the character

03:35 <Soul_keeper> buf is a string from a line of a file

03:36 <Soul_keeper> it's characters/spaces

03:36 <CoderForLife> tabs?

03:36 <Soul_keeper> no

03:37 <Soul_keeper> CPU POLLING: 30

03:37 <Soul_keeper> i'm just trying to grab the 30 at the end

03:37 <CoderForLife> you may what to try using the strtok() function

03:38 <CoderForLife> it will be a lot more efficient at grabbing parts of strings, separated by spaces

03:38 <CoderForLife> ymmv

03:40 <CoderForLife> speaking of ymmv - it's "yummy" time - brb  breakfast

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03:49 <Soul_keeper> ok i got it

03:49 <CoderForLife> excellent  congrats

03:49 <Soul_keeper> dirty business tho

04:02 <CoderForLife> when it works, it's a beautiful thing

04:06 <Soul_keeper> yeah i still got a long ways to go tho

04:10 <Soul_keeper> i'm mostly just laying the ground work now, getting things figured out

04:11 <Soul_keeper> wrote like 5 includes

04:12 <Soul_keeper> so what's the compression like for sqlite ?

04:12 <Soul_keeper> i got it figured 365 days worth of data might take only 100MB in a text file

04:17 <KathrynM> Karmic Koala?

04:18 <KathrynM> well.  Whatever

04:22 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

04:22 <KathrynM> hello Mr. CoderForLife

04:22 <CoderForLife> Mr.?  that's my dad

04:23 <KathrynM> sorry

04:23 <KathrynM> The cat is hiding under the bed.

04:23 <CoderForLife> I'm only called Mister when someone wants something, or they're being faux polite and it's said with a slight sneer  =)

04:23 <KathrynM> I think she peed there too.

04:24 <CoderForLife> I was going to ask for a cat report

04:24 <KathrynM> Long haired white kitten.  Gray eyes.

04:24 <CoderForLife> in a dog world

04:24 <KathrynM> Girl

04:24 <CoderForLife> hmm

04:24 <KathrynM> I'm thinking making her Korean name 구름 (goo rum) which means cloud. Not sure what her English name will be.

04:25 <CoderForLife> you're naming her "Two Squares"?

04:26 <KathrynM> does the Korean not render?

04:26 <CoderForLife> hmm  if I copy paste that, I see some Korean characters

04:26 <CoderForLife> ??

04:26 <CoderForLife> but they don't display

04:27 <KathrynM> *shrug*

04:27 <KathrynM> dunno

04:32 * Tidus yawns.

04:32 <CoderForLife> morning Tidus - sorry to wake you

04:32 <Tidus> oh you didn't lol...

04:32 <Tidus> i work night shift remember?

04:33 <CoderForLife> I tried to tell KathynM to be more quiet

04:33 <Tidus> lol...

04:33 <Tank_Master> &math convert 60 F to C

04:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 15.5555555556

04:35 <KathrynM> bbiab

04:35 <Tidus> this is a sad day

04:35 <CoderForLife> it gets loud when we start tossing around the Korean character set

04:35 <Tidus> got paid 3 hours ago... it's already gone :(

04:35 <CoderForLife> um - there's a lot of week left

04:35 <Tidus> rent came due

04:36 <Tidus> $200 bi-weekly

04:36 <Tidus> my check was only 230 this week due to missing a day due to being sick

04:36 <CoderForLife> I've raised that to an art form - I owe a lot of money that I haven't earned yet

04:37 <Tidus> 200 for rent, 30 for gas money

04:37 <Tidus> so i can get to work lol

04:37 <Tidus> so it's gone already

04:39 <CoderForLife> and you'll be on a diet?

04:39 <Tidus> got groceries last week

04:39 <Tidus> still plenty left

04:39 <CoderForLife> ah   it's a good thing

04:40 * Soul_keeper is a beggar

04:41 <Tidus> lol

04:41 * Tidus np: "Closer" by Lacuna Coil, Album: Karmacode (02:11/03:02, volume 100%)

04:42 <Soul_keeper> i saw them in concert twice ...

04:42 <Tidus> i'm going in april

04:43 <Tidus> disturbed, lacuna coil, chimaira, and killswitch engage

04:43 <Soul_keeper> not that i'm a big fan or anything, just so happens they were at the 2 concerts i've ever been to

04:44 <Tidus> something about her voice... captivates me

04:44 <Soul_keeper> yeah

04:45 <Soul_keeper> the female voice is a powerfull thing

04:45 <Soul_keeper> like nora jones

04:46 <Tidus> lacuna coil, within temptation, evanescence ... something about those 3... the darker musical tone, offset by a very pleasing sounding female singer...

04:46 <Soul_keeper> evanescence   was good,  they changed their singer atleast once tho

04:47 <CoderForLife> my son likes lacuna coil and evanescence

04:48 <CoderForLife> I like what evanescence I've heard

04:48 <Soul_keeper> maybe you just want a female that'll tie you up and torture you ...

04:48 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: not that much, no lol

04:48 * CoderForLife looks at Soul_keeper

04:48 <Tidus> and evanescence has never changed their singer. that was nightwish

04:48 <Soul_keeper> lol

04:48 <Tidus> evanescence changed the lead guitarist

04:48 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

04:48 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 10:20 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.;

04:49 <Soul_keeper> handcuffed by a dark biker or goth chick and robbed your idea of a good time ?

04:49 <CoderForLife> family alarm going off

04:49 <Soul_keeper> good idea

04:51 <Tidus> lol

04:52 <Tidus> CoderForLife: you say you liked evanescence?

04:53 <CoderForLife> what I've heard, yes - their big hits

04:54 <Tidus> look up a song on youtube by Within Temptation, song is called "What have you done now?"

04:54 <Tidus> it's about the same style as evanescence .... good song too

04:54 <Tidus> or... http://www.playlist.com/andassaran ... number 13 in that list

04:54 <Romulus> Title: andassaran on Playlist.com :: Create playlists, search music playlists, listen to music online and share playlists on social net!@#&s with Playlist.com (at www.playlist.com)

04:55 <Tidus> ROFL ... net!@#&s

04:55 <Tidus> good job rommie

04:57 <Soul_keeper> cool

04:58 <Soul_keeper> that guy kinda drowns her voice out tho

04:58 <Tidus> it was engineered that way i think

04:58 <Tidus> that's the only song he is in... guest singer

04:58 <CoderForLife> same styling as evanescence

04:59 <Tidus> yeah, that's why i like WT

04:59 <CoderForLife> female melody, male rap

04:59 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBKcKQHZXks

04:59 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Norah Jones, Come away with me (at www.youtube.com)

04:59 <Soul_keeper> she can be real slow tho ...

05:03 <CoderForLife> I sort of like the Nickleback ballad style too

05:03 <Tidus> yeah.

05:03 <CoderForLife> like "Lips of an Angel" by Hinder

05:04 <Soul_keeper> i listen to a lot of devil driver and megadeth ...

05:04 <Tidus> CoderForLife: same link i linked earlier, number 43

05:04 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NDuj-MyVyA&feature=related    btw this is norah jone's better song

05:04 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yp5tz9> (at www.youtube.com)

05:04 * CoderForLife plays "Lips of an Angel"

05:06 <Tidus> #42 and #43 ... both good songs

05:06 * CoderForLife starts checking them out

05:07 <Tidus> the chorus to #43 is the ringtone on my phone

05:08 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MBZaBkF_pc   this is a good song to play before going into combat

05:08 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Devildriver-Before the Hangman's Noose (at www.youtube.com)

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05:11 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:11 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWoXQRHa4o   this song is more kick back

05:11 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - DevilDriver - Sin And Sacrifice (at www.youtube.com)

05:11 <Soul_keeper> good song to play after a hard day's work

05:13 <Soul_keeper> likely my favorite song

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05:42 <CoderForLife> I reckon I'll get ready to go to the store - laterz

06:12 <KathrynM> http://picasaweb.google.com/ksmarkspsych/Kitten#

06:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/am8yb8> (at picasaweb.google.com)

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08:03 <xcamel> 'lo

08:04 <Soul_keeper> yo

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08:13 <CoderForLife> re-hi - back from the store

08:14 <xcamel> mornin

08:14 <CoderForLife> nice pics of "Kitty Kat-hryn"

08:15 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

08:16 <xcamel> gorgeous kitty..

08:16 <CoderForLife> reminds me of an easter bunny

08:17 * Soul_keeper only likes big mean cats :)

08:17 <xcamel> pure white, long hair, female? -- I wonder if she is deaf..

08:21 <xcamel> looks like snow at don's house

08:25 <CoderForLife> not yet =)

08:26 <CoderForLife> *they* say up to an inch

08:26 <CoderForLife> I got my panic-buying done early this morning

08:26 <xcamel> lol

08:26 <xcamel> it's snowing above you..

08:27 <CoderForLife> just not reaching the ground

08:27 <xcamel> frozen verga

08:27 <CoderForLife> sublimation is a wonderful thing

08:28 <xcamel> well.. the girls should be on the way home..

08:29 <CoderForLife> well that's good -

08:29 <xcamel> milan >> amsterdam >> newark

08:29 <CoderForLife> how long they been gone?

08:29 <xcamel> since last friday

08:29 <CoderForLife> seems like longer

08:30 <xcamel> no comment

08:30 <CoderForLife> heh

08:30 <CoderForLife> no new kitchens, no new Jeepzilla - what do you have to say for yourself?

08:31 <xcamel> plowed driveway, fed animals.

08:31 <CoderForLife> lol

08:31 <CoderForLife> that's "expected" - part of your job description

08:31 <xcamel> and a ride home from the bus

08:32 <xcamel> and more snow tomorrow

08:32 <CoderForLife> down there in the fine print, under "Other Similar and Less Skilled Duties"

08:32 <CoderForLife> you're going to get what doesn't reach the ground here

08:34 <KathrynM> thanks xcamel CoderForLife

08:34 <CoderForLife> she's cute

08:35 <KathrynM> she back under the bed after sleeping on my shoes for a while

08:35 <xcamel> kitty have a name?

08:35 <KathrynM> not yet

08:35 <KathrynM> still working on it

08:35 <CoderForLife> I said Kitty Kat

08:35 <KathrynM> Thinking about Bailey, Ivory or Opal

08:35 <KathrynM> I kinda like Opal, especially as it's my birthstone

08:35 <CoderForLife> nice

08:36 <xcamel> 스노볼

08:36 <KathrynM> Her Korean name might also be noon which is Korean for snow

08:36 <xcamel> or 눈뭉치

08:36 <CoderForLife> I didn't like Two Squares

08:36 <KathrynM> :)

08:36 <CoderForLife> much less Three Squares

08:36 <xcamel> 'snowball'

08:37 <KathrynM> ah,

08:37 <KathrynM> got the noon part

08:37 <KathrynM> su no bul

08:37 <KathrynM> is the first one

08:37 <KathrynM> noon mong che

08:37 <KathrynM> is the second one

08:37 <xcamel> seems there is one long formal one that is a noun..

08:38 <xcamel> 백발의 흑인

08:38 <KathrynM> she doesn't seem to be deaf as we're meowing back and forth right now

08:38 <xcamel> that's good...

08:38 <xcamel> 80% of that phenotype are deaf.

08:38 <KathrynM> yeah, I read that

08:39 <xcamel> true green eyes?

08:39 <KathrynM> more gray than green

08:39 <xcamel> hmmm..

08:39 <xcamel> that's is really unusual

08:40 <KathrynM> her poor tail is covered with dust bunnies

08:41 <KathrynM> I need to get a comb for her tomorrow.

08:41 <KathrynM> Monday I'll take her to the vet for shots and to see when I should get her fixed

08:42 <xcamel> Don >> http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6513

08:42 <Romulus> Title: Municipalities continue to be upset with Ohio Supreme Court over gun rights | Buckeye Firearms Association (at www.buckeyefirearms.org)

08:42 <xcamel> second page..

08:42 <xcamel> Miami Valley Risk Management Association comments

08:49 <CoderForLife> thx for the link

08:51 <xcamel> don't ya love it when the collectivist ninnys get their panties in a wad...

08:51 <xcamel> check that -- 'central planners'

08:54 <CoderForLife> our rights and freedoms are being assailed on all sides

08:56 * CoderForLife continues his Coding

08:59 * CoderForLife sees his Coding as the best, maybe only, ticket out of the Hole

09:02 <xcamel> amen on that..

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09:06 <CoderForLife> the feds are saying my tax refund should be here on 3/10

09:07 <CoderForLife> the state says they mailed that refund check yesterday

09:07 <xcamel> refunds? what the heck are those?

09:08 <CoderForLife> just like Kaliforneeya - IOU^H^H^check's in the mail

09:08 <CoderForLife> refund=revenue the government has figured out how to recognize yet

09:09 <xcamel> a myth.

09:09 <CoderForLife> er hasn't  =)

09:11 <CoderForLife> I didn't realize how much I was loaning them until I completed my casuality loss deduction

09:12 <xcamel> my 1040 has 2 lines

09:12 <CoderForLife> how much did you make?

09:12 <xcamel> What did you make __________

09:12 <CoderForLife> send it in

09:12 <CoderForLife> lol

09:12 <xcamel> Send it in  _________

09:13 <CoderForLife> got a love note from Zillow.com on Tuesday

09:13 <xcamel> closer to the truth than you might know...

09:13 <CoderForLife> they zestimate that my house value dropped $6500 in the last 30 days

09:15 <xcamel> lol - I have a robin staring in the window...

09:15 <xcamel> eating the dried crabapples..

09:16 <CoderForLife> ask him if he's got any investment tips - his opinion is a good as anybody's

09:16 <xcamel> still on the tree..

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09:16 <xcamel> I guess I should go get the animals fed..

09:19 <CoderForLife> k

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09:23 <Soul_keeper> Time difference between reads: 60.000070/s   ooooh C is fast :)

09:23 <Soul_keeper> neglegible lost time :)

09:24 <Soul_keeper> i think i'm sick tho ... gn

09:29 <CoderForLife> cya

09:38 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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10:53 <xcamel> &wx 12074

10:53 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 25.8F / -3.4C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1023.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 13.0mph / 20.9km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow after midnight. Lows in the lower 20s. (1 more message)

10:53 <xcamel> &more

10:53 <Romulus> xcamel: Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Sunday - Snow. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Highs in the lower 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northeast in the afternoon. Chance of snow 90 percent.;

10:55 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

10:56 <xcamel> Hi Mike

10:58 <Soul_keeper> ohhh yeah just puked   havn't done that in awhile

10:59 <Soul_keeper> throbbing headache for 8hrs now

11:03 <CoderForLife> Coding withdrawals, probably

11:03 <CoderForLife> I prescribe taking a couple C's and washing it down with Java

11:04 <CoderForLife> I feel bad when I haven't Coded in awhile

11:07 <Soul_keeper> yeah it started right when we solved that problem earlier

11:07 <CoderForLife> may be allergic to success?

11:08 <CoderForLife> I have that problem too

11:08 <Soul_keeper> heh

11:08 <xcamel> bytes flu

11:08 <Soul_keeper> i think i must have some bad water/food

11:08 <Soul_keeper> i don't trust the water

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11:12 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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11:24 <Soul_keeper> http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16448

11:24 <Romulus> Title: AMD puts on the ritz with six-core Opteron demo - The Tech Report - Page 1 (at www.techreport.com)

11:25 <CoderForLife> but.. but.. 6 is not a power of 2

11:26 <CoderForLife> cheaper by the half-dozen?

11:26 <Soul_keeper> i'd been expecting this for like 2yrs

11:27 <Soul_keeper> 6 REAL cores to combat intel's 8 virtual cores

11:27 <Soul_keeper> like dual core athlon x2 vs prescott

11:28 <Soul_keeper> just like they did with 3 core, but this time for the mainstream

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11:40 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103649&Tpk=phenom 720    hmmm they are selling triple core ones now

11:40 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c4wtxf> (at www.newegg.com)

11:40 <CoderForLife> I didn't know that

12:01 <PovAddict> better yield than quads

12:06 <xcamel> phenom II's

12:07 <CoderForLife> only 3 out of 4 cores need to be good?

12:08 <xcamel> seems so

12:18 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I'm not sure

12:18 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if they build 3 cores to begin with, less chance of one failing than with 4

12:18 <PovAddict> or if they build 4 and sell it anyway if one fails

12:21 <CoderForLife> they're certain to get "better yields" if only 3 of 4 cores on the chip need to function

12:21 <CoderForLife> I don't know - just thinking what I might do

12:22 <CoderForLife> sort of like making picnic tables out of the lumber mill scraps

12:23 <CoderForLife> "here's a dozen quad core roof trusses, and a few 3-core picnic tables"

12:23 <PovAddict> yeah that's probably what they do

12:23 <PovAddict> build 4-cores

12:23 <PovAddict> test them

12:23 <PovAddict> if they work fine, put them in a quad-core box

12:23 <PovAddict> if one core fails, disable it and put the CPU in a 3-core box

12:24 <CoderForLife> it's the capitalist thing to do

12:24 <PovAddict> if more than one core fails, give them away as souvenirs on conferences

12:24 <CoderForLife> lol  zackly

12:24 <PovAddict> (I have a bunch of UltraSPARC T1 processors my dad got on a Sun conference)

12:25 <CoderForLife> I remember visting Sun in 1986 or so

12:25 <PovAddict> was it hot?

12:25 <CoderForLife> they were just abandoning their Intel strategy and "putting all their wood behind the Sparc arrowhead"

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12:25 <PovAddict> heh

12:26 <CoderForLife> it was a very cool place to see

12:26 <PovAddict> and now they're back advertising Solaris for x86 as an awesome thing

12:26 <CoderForLife> keep in mind the  year

12:26 <PovAddict> yup

12:26 <CoderForLife> full motion TV in a window

12:26 <PovAddict> wow

12:26 <CoderForLife> while rendering a car in real time in CAD

12:27 <PovAddict> custom windowing system I guess?

12:27 <CoderForLife> pretty cutting edge stuff back then

12:27 <CoderForLife> X windows

12:27 <PovAddict> really? X has trouble doing that now sometimes :P

12:27 <CoderForLife> that's when the was a windowing system war in the Unix world

12:27 <CoderForLife> OSF Motif

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12:28 <CoderForLife> versus something else - can't remember

12:28 <PovAddict> yeah but motif is just a widget toolkit for X, not something different from X

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12:31 <CoderForLife> yeah, i think you're right

12:32 <CoderForLife> it's been to long ago, and too long since I cared

12:32 <CoderForLife> too long*

12:33 * CoderForLife listens to his new subscription to http://www.solopianoradio.com

12:33 * CoderForLife Codes the guts of his boinc application

12:37 <PovAddict> http://ben.bacchus.com.au/vpcblog/images/win101.JPG

12:38 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ass9tk> (at ben.bacchus.com.au)

12:38 <PovAddict> Windows from 95 up to (not including) XP were a step backwards: non-rounded button edges!

12:56 <xcamel> I remember that screen well..

12:56 <xcamel> then win/386

12:59 <xcamel> needed qemm/386 to run it correctly

12:59 <PovAddict> aka win 2.0

12:59 <xcamel> not exactly

13:00 <xcamel> win 2.0 was for 286 machines win/386 was obviously for 386's

13:00 <xcamel> bbl..

13:01 <PovAddict> Windows/286 2.10 and Windows/386 2.10

13:01 <PovAddict> so yeah I was wrong, it wasn't 2.0, it was 2.1

13:10 <CoderForLife> oh wow

13:10 <CoderForLife> does that ever bring back.. um.. memories

13:10 <CoderForLife> I spent hours with QEMM

13:10 <PovAddict> 3.1 is the oldest I remember

13:10 <PovAddict> I do have a box full of DOS games

13:11 <PovAddict> most in CD-ROM (wow, modern stuff!)

13:11 <CoderForLife> optimizing token ring NIC drivers into "high memory"

13:11 <CoderForLife> I did development work on Windows/386

13:11 <PovAddict> games that say they won't work correctly if your CD drive doesn't go up to 4x

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13:12 * PovAddict looks at his 52x drive

13:12 <CoderForLife> who definded what x is anyway?

13:12 <PovAddict> 1x is the speed an audio CD needs

13:13 <PovAddict> reading at 4x you can read an hour of music (uncompressed, in good old Audio CD format) in 15 minutes

13:13 <CoderForLife> min? max?

13:13 <PovAddict> audio CD is uncompressed and constant-rate

13:14 <CoderForLife> hmm

13:14 <PovAddict> the bit rate of a "1x" data CD is defined as 2048 bytes per sector × 75 sectors per second = 150 KiB/s, or approximately 9.2 million bytes per minute.

13:14 <PovAddict> (says the internets)

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13:25 <CoderForLife> no precip yet - but it's lurking to the west

13:26 <MTughan> 'lo Don

13:26 <CoderForLife> hello Michael

13:26 <CoderForLife> happy Coding day

13:26 <MTughan> I have my Mac back. :D

13:26 * CoderForLife does a little happy dance for Michael and his Mac

13:26 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: every day is Coding day?

13:27 <CoderForLife> I didn;t say it was anything special =)

13:27 <CoderForLife> just another Coding day

13:27 <CoderForLife> some days I get to do it, and I'm happy

13:28 <CoderForLife> other days not so much, and not so much

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14:07 <CoderForLife> wind is picking up

14:08 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:08 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 30°F / -1°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.;

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14:53 <MTughan_> Thought I'd just check in from my Mac.

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15:21 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

15:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 40.1F / 4.5C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Snow showers. Snow accumulation less than an inch. Near steady temperatures in the lower 40s. Temperatures falling into the mid 30s late. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of snow (2 more messages)

15:21 <CoderForLife> &more

15:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 80 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a chance of snow and rain showers likely in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow showers after midnight. Snow accumulation less than an inch. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Sunday - Cloudy with a 30 percent chance of snow showers. Much colder with (1 more message)

15:21 <CoderForLife> &more

15:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: highs in the upper 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.;

15:22 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

15:22 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 56.8F / 13.8C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 3.6mph / 5.8km/h ; Today - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy. Highs around 55. East wind 5 to 10 mph...except east wind 15 to 30 mph with gusts to 45 mph near The Gorge.; Tonight - A chance of rain in the evening...then rain (1 more message)

15:22 <Tank_Master> &more

15:22 <Romulus> Tank_Master: likely overnight. Lows 35 to 40. East wind 5 to 10 mph...except east wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 40 mph near The Gorge.; Sunday - Rain likely in the morning...then rain in the afternoon. Highs 50 to 55. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph...except east wind 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.;

15:23 <MTughan_> 'lo TM

15:23 <Tank_Master> howdy MT

15:25 * MTughan_ is watching Sweeney Todd

15:36 * CoderForLife is Coding

15:46 * Tank_Master is downloading

16:13 <CoderForLife> rain just changed to snow

16:13 <CoderForLife> and back

16:13 <CoderForLife> and back again

16:14 * CoderForLife thinks we must be "right on the line"

16:14 <MTughan_> The weather can't make up its mind.

16:14 <CoderForLife> like me and this PHP-to-C translation

16:49 <MTughan_> yoyo[RKN]: Remembered now... zombie67 pointed out to me last night that you don't have Mac apps for all your applications. Would you like me to compile some for you?

16:54 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

16:55 <yoyo[RKN]> I need the boinc api compiled with my changed wrapper and this http://gforge.inria.fr/projects/ecm/

16:55 <Romulus> Title: INRIAGforge: GMP-ECM (Elliptic Curve Method): Information sur le projet (at gforge.inria.fr)

16:55 <MTughan_> Latest stable? 6.2.1?

16:56 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

16:57 <MTughan_> And then where's your wrapper?

16:57 <MTughan_> I'll need to compile the BOINC libraries again, I don't have any access to them until tomorow.

16:57 <MTughan_> tomorrow*

16:57 <PovAddict> legally, it should be on his website...

16:57 <PovAddict> it's modified LGPL code, and he's distributing binaries, so source should be freely and easily downloadable :)

16:59 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm

16:59 <MTughan_> One more question: any specific version of the BOINC API? Or will trunk work?

16:59 <yoyo[RKN]> trunk will work

17:00 <MTughan_> Okay.

17:00 <MTughan_> I'll just have to check it out...

17:01 <xcamel> re-hi

17:01 <MTughan_> 'lo Jay

17:01 <xcamel> nice day, but I feel that storm a commin

17:02 <CoderForLife> din din

17:02 <CoderForLife> bbiab

17:02 <xcamel> girls should be rolling in before too long also

17:03 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan_ : source: http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/download/download/src/ecm/

17:03 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/aqn3yt> (at www.rechenkraft.net)

17:03 <MTughan_> All right, I'll get to work on it.

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17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> much thx

17:10 <jasong> Could someone please explain to me why twittering gets so much damn press?  I've never looked into it, but it sounds like you could take IRC, add some scripts to send and receive stuff from the web, and you'd have the same damn thing.  Am I wrong?

17:10 <MTughan_> Pretty close, yeah.

17:10 <MTughan_> It's just "the in thing" to do.

17:11 <jasong> God, it makes me want to become a patent troll so I can get in on this

17:11 <MTughan_> lol

17:17 <MTughan_> yoyo[RKN]: Know where gmp.h comes from? I seem to be missing it.

17:18 <yoyo[RKN]> you need libgmp

17:18 <MTughan_> All right, thanks.

17:18 <yoyo[RKN]> on Linux I just installed it

17:18 <MTughan_> I'll need to compile it from source, but that's not too hard.

17:19 <yoyo[RKN]> is there no way to install it like on Linux?

17:19 <MTughan_> Well, I need three different versions of it anyway: One for i686, one for x86_64, and one for ppc.

17:19 <PovAddict> one platform at a time :)

17:20 <yoyo[RKN]> I configured ecm with

17:20 <yoyo[RKN]> #  ./configure LDFLAGS="--static -static-libgcc" CFLAGS="-static" --enable-fat --with-gmp=/usr/

17:20 <MTughan_> I still need it for i686 then. :)

17:20 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: fat?

17:20 <yoyo[RKN]> I was tald that this includes optimizations for different CPU enhancments

17:21 <yoyo[RKN]> told

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17:30 <MTughan_> Hmm... yoyo[RKN]: Any idea what this means?

17:30 <MTughan_> checking size of mp_limb_t... 4

17:30 <MTughan_> configure: error: Oops, mp_limb_t is 32 bits, but the assembler code in this configuration expects 64 bits.

17:30 <MTughan_> You appear to have set $CFLAGS, perhaps you also need to tell GMP the intended ABI, see "ABI and ISA" in the manual.

17:31 <yoyo[RKN]> ups

17:31 <yoyo[RKN]> don't know

17:31 <MTughan_> All right... I'll see what I can find.

17:31 <CoderForLife> looks like we're going to watch the BSG ep from last night and the 24 ep from last Monday - bbl

17:33 <MTughan_> All right, looks like GMP wanted to use 64-bit ints because I'm on a 64-bit processor, but since I'm compiling a 32-bit app, I can't use them. Have to force 32.

17:34 <PovAddict> cross-compilation fail

17:34 <PovAddict> are you using --host?

17:34 <MTughan_> Gah, not for this... My script still assumes i686 Mac.

17:34 <CoderForLife> woohoo - just got an e-mail from "China Netcom Group Corporation (Hong Kong) Limited" saying I'm the second place winner and eligible to receive "Brand New Toyota camry and a cash prize of $570,000 United States Dollars"

17:34 <MTughan_> That's why.

17:34 * CoderForLife hits Delete

17:36 <MTughan_> --host works fine, thanks Pov.

17:40 <MTughan_> Compiled, just running checks.

17:41 <PovAddict> checking is important for gmp

17:41 <MTughan_> So it told me after I did "make install".

17:41 <MTughan_> Looks like we passed. Now for ecm...

17:43 <MTughan_> Not good when it looks like the assembler errors...

17:43 <MTughan_> missing or invalid immediate expression `0b01000100' taken as 0

17:43 <MTughan_> suffix or operands invalid for `pshufd'

17:44 <PovAddict> crosscompiling?

17:44 <MTughan> Yes.

17:44 <MTughan> Attempting i686.

17:46 <MTughan> Hmm, I have an idea...

17:46 <yoyo[RKN]> how does crosscompiling works, is this an option for configure, make or gcc?

17:46 <MTughan> I'm passing GCC flags.

17:47 <PovAddict> it's an option for configure, that may call a totally different compiler

17:47 <PovAddict> you need to get a cross-compiler first: a compiler that runs on platform A and produces code for B

17:47 <MTughan> That's the thing, it's basically all one compiler on Mac, with the -arch flag producing the right code.

17:47 <PovAddict> that's just many cross-compilers in one program :P

17:48 <MTughan> Yep.

17:48 <MTughan_> There, it was because I attempted to use SSE2.

17:48 <yoyo[RKN]> means with gcc -arch I can compile on a 32 bit Linux for an 64 bit Linux?

17:49 <MTughan> Yes.

17:49 <PovAddict> no, -arch is Mac-only

17:49 <MTughan> Same idea though. I thought that's what he meant.

17:50 <yoyo[RKN]> ?

17:50 <yoyo[RKN]> and what is the option on Linux?

17:50 <PovAddict> you need to download gcc sources, configure gcc with --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, compile it

17:51 <PovAddict> then you can use the compiler you compiled, to compile 64 bit apps

17:51 <yoyo[RKN]> ok

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17:55 <efc> moo

17:56 <MTughan> Not a problem that you can probably help me with, but I have a bit of a problem...

17:57 <MTughan> It's warning me that one of the built archive files is not the right arch. But they're all the same arch, which is the one being built...

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18:59 <Tank_Master> well then it sounds like the one being built is not the correct arch to use for what is being built

19:03 <CoderForLife> that BSG ep was depressing

19:03 * CoderForLife throws in the towel

19:03 <CoderForLife> nuf 4 me

19:03 <CoderForLife> gn

19:04 <Tank_Master> BSG? depressing??

19:04 <Tank_Master> which one did you watch?

19:07 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: Even if I had built the wrong arch, how would the computer know that?

19:07 <Tank_Master> cus it dont get what your saying?

19:09 <Tank_Master> I dunno

19:14 * KathrynM is wondering how a tiny kitten can take up an entire double bed.

19:17 <PovAddict> awww

19:18 <Tank_Master> ?

19:18 <Tank_Master> cus its in pieces?

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19:46 <Rookie_69> Hmm... If Microsoft is a huge corporation with oodles of money, one can only assume that Infinisoft is totally broke.

19:47 <Rookie_69> Oh... GATech... Worse than broke.

19:48 <PovAddict> where's nanosoft?

19:48 <Rookie_69> World owner?

19:51 <Rookie_69> I blew the side out of a tooth today (well, really last night I guess), I wonder how long before I can afford to get it fixed?

19:52 <Rookie_69> ... that's assuming my insurance will cover most of it...

19:52 <PovAddict> personally, I wonder how long before my subconcious forgets the "dentist -> lots of pain" relation, so I can go to one again

19:52 <PovAddict> last time I went to the dentist, I went out screaming and crying

19:52 <PovAddict> ...before he even started

19:53 <Rookie_69> My dentist has "nice" assistants... pain is no problem.

19:53 <PovAddict> because

19:53 <PovAddict> the previous time I went to the dentist was for a tooth removal

19:53 <PovAddict> most painful experience in my life

19:53 <Rookie_69> Twisted roots?

19:54 <PovAddict> no idea

19:54 <Rookie_69> Mine are mostly straight and come out easily.

19:54 <PovAddict> KathrynM: did you get used to KDE4 yet?

20:00 <Rookie_69> I wonder what my share of tonight's $48 mil lottery will be... $2?... The ticket cost me $4.

20:03 <Rookie_69> I've sailed with my dentist, so I guess pain and suffering just seems natural.

20:04 <Rookie_69> ... but a lollipop after the visit or a beer after the race seems to make it all better.

20:07 <KathrynM> PovAddict, I'm getting there.

20:07 <PovAddict> I read an interesting post on the economics of open source software

20:08 <PovAddict> showing all the GPL software around is to make the life of other *programmers* easier

20:08 <PovAddict> http://news.povray.org/4985F35D.4010604%40san.rr.com

20:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dl4kdl> (at news.povray.org)

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20:56 <infinisoft> Rookie_69: lol

20:56 <Rookie_69> :-)

20:59 * Rookie_69 decides it must be bedtime.

21:00 <Rookie_69> NN.

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22:05 <Soul_keeper> leave my multi-dimensional matrix outta this !

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22:44 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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22:48 <efc> remoo

22:59 <jasong> Am I the only one confused about this whole Rihanna thing?

22:59 <jasong> I mean, if the picture is legit, someone needs to call tech support for that computer system

22:59 <PovAddict> huh

23:00 <jasong> If that picture is actual evidence, God help the people who have to depend on that police department

23:00 <PovAddict> what picture?

23:00 <MTughan_> A picture of Rihanna, allegedly beaten by her boyfriend, was leaked from the police department to a tabloid.

23:01 <jasong> Yeah, but the picture looks like a really lousy Photoshop trick

23:01 <jasong> If it's found to be real, something's wrong with the computers at the police department

23:03 <jasong> Wait, sorry, I just googled it

23:03 <jasong> Apparently, someone put some letters over the picture

23:03 <jasong> When I saw it on TV, I didn't know they were letters

23:03 <MTughan_> Yes, the tabloid. TMZ?

23:03 <jasong> Yeah

23:03 * jasong is an idiot

23:03 <PovAddict> eh, whatever

23:04 <PovAddict> still playing with that university website

23:04 <jasong> hmmm, I missed it, what university website?

23:05 <PovAddict> a friend found a sql injection bug in UBA website, we have been two days playing around, looking at student records, trying to find out more about the db structure

23:05 <MTughan_> UBA?

23:05 <PovAddict> Universidad de Buenos Aires

23:05 <MTughan_> Ah.

23:06 <PovAddict> at this point I can do any query that returns a single value

23:06 <MTughan_> You haven't thought of reporting the bug?

23:06 <PovAddict> and through that, get all the table names, and their column names (querying information_schema.columns one field at a time, slow process)

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23:07 <efc> Wouldn't report, you get in trouble for that

23:07 <PovAddict> yeah that's what I saw in the news... a guy who reported a security bug got in serious trouble for hacking

23:07 <PovAddict> although he was a student

23:08 <MTughan_> One question then: Have you thought to mask your IP?

23:08 <PovAddict> I will if some day I intend to do a drop table

23:09 <PovAddict> but otherwise not worth the hassle

23:10 <PovAddict> last page edit (according to HTML comments) in 2003

23:10 <jasong> Possibly silly question, but have you thought of fixing the bug and not telling them?  That would be hilarious

23:10 <MTughan_> lol

23:10 <PovAddict> I can only inject SQL, no file access

23:10 <MTughan_> If it's a SQL injection bug, nothing he can do about that.

23:10 <PovAddict> yet

23:11 <jasong> ah, ok

23:11 <MTughan_> He can just do stuff with the database, not the site itself.

23:11 <jasong> No idea what was just stated, but I at least understand it's a no :)

23:11 <PovAddict> we want to figure out the webserver data path so we can try a select * from students into outfile "list.txt"

23:11 <jasong> Yeah, I know almost nothing about databases

23:11 <jasong> Very much need to start studying this kind of stuff

23:11 <PovAddict> since fetching fields one by one will take about 47 days

23:12 <MTughan_> Now, if he had SSH access, that'd be different...

23:12 <PovAddict> I took 49 seconds to do 34 selects, since it's a bit of a cumbersome method

23:12 <efc> there must be a Chicks angle to this

23:13 <MTughan_> We're watching a Talking Heads concert here, David Bryne's got the big suit on. :P

23:33 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [01:13:232] High .:. Trace Adkins .:. Dangerous Man .:. Track 8

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