IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-02-22

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01:37 <Soul_keeper> gotta be kidding me

01:37 <Soul_keeper> can't return an array from a function

01:37 <Soul_keeper> design decision of C

01:38 <efc> arrays are pretty close to pointers

01:38 <efc> and can return those..

01:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah it's just gonna be more work

02:08 <Soul_keeper> can't do it the way i want with 3 dimensional arrays

02:14 <Soul_keeper> i guess i could always copy/past a hundred lines of code 60 times or so ....

02:20 <efc> there's usually a better way than that

02:21 <FreeLarry58> evening

02:22 <FreeLarry58> how does pentium M and centrino sound for cheapy laptops?

02:23 <FreeLarry58> paid 200 each - one for wife to take to ship and one for daughters schoolwork

02:24 <Soul_keeper> i could easily throw the data on the hard drive, but the idea is to only write to the hd once every 10min

02:26 <Soul_keeper> so in the mean time i have to collect a underminable amount of integers keeping them in order from an underminable amount of sources, and undeterminable amount of times ...

02:26 * FreeLarry58 thinks large memory usage

02:27 <Soul_keeper> i could always dump the arrays to a file on the hd, then open the file from the returned to array, load them back into an array from there ...

02:28 <Soul_keeper> just seems annoying

02:28 <Soul_keeper> *returned to function

02:29 <FreeLarry58> maybe use swap file portion of hd os

02:30 <Soul_keeper> i'd rather just use the system memory like the programming languages are supposed to be designed to do

02:30 <FreeLarry58> swap file is virtual memory just on hd

02:30 <efc> if you need to grow arrays, you can realloc

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02:32 <Soul_keeper> that's not what i need, i just need to read the data from the multidimensional array, that's in another function so i can print it

02:34 <efc> Pass a pointer, cast to your array type

02:54 <Soul_keeper> i hate neighbors

02:54 <Soul_keeper> damn clown music blastin' while i'm trying to concentrate

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02:57 <Soul_keeper> so my job is to master pointers and fully understand how the memory is allocated on the machine level now ...

02:58 <Soul_keeper> once i do that i can fix my code

03:03 <efc> its not that difficult. when you malloc you must dealloc

03:03 <Soul_keeper> yeah but i'm not mallocing

03:04 <Soul_keeper> double cpuarray1[2][cores][8];

03:05 <Soul_keeper> assuming cores is 4   that would be 65 locations in memory if i'm not mistaken

03:05 <Soul_keeper> 2 * 4 * 8  + 1 for pointer to array

03:06 <efc> I think thats about right

03:07 <efc> dunno if I'd count the +1

03:07 <efc> http://home.earthlink.net/~cottongim/hotwater.jpg

03:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dyd95j> (at home.earthlink.net)

03:08 <Soul_keeper> so i should be able to somehow just pass a pointer to a 3 dimensional array and access the memory locations with the knowledge of how the array is formatted ....

03:09 <efc> cast it to another array typed variable

03:09 <efc> I think. I'm a bit rusty..

03:10 <Soul_keeper> yeah you're right about the +1 i was reading it wrong

03:11 <Soul_keeper> char Aname[10][20];      200 element array    "access elements via"  20*row + col + base_address

03:11 <Soul_keeper> now assuming that's 3 dimension i get lost ie:    char Aname[10][20][5];

03:11 <Soul_keeper> that would make it a 1000 element array if i'm not mistaken

03:12 <efc> yes

03:13 <Soul_keeper> now we aren't dealing with a row/column relationship

03:13 <Soul_keeper> more like  row/colum  * 5

03:14 <Soul_keeper> hashes aren't any simpler in C,  could do it either way

03:14 <Soul_keeper> i used a single hash for the same thing in perl

03:15 <Soul_keeper> this whole creating typedef struct bla bla }what;  confuses me

03:16 <Soul_keeper> http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/node10.html    this is a good one, but he doesn't get into enough detail on what i need to know    "Multidimensional arrays and pointers"    and my C book doesn't cover it

03:16 <Romulus> Title: Pointers (at www.cs.cf.ac.uk)

03:16 <Soul_keeper> the google results seem to stop at 2 dimensional

03:19 <efc> It seems like the compiler needs to know the array bounds to make it work, all except the first one I think

03:20 <efc> I think the easiest thing (sloppy but ok) is to malloc a big ol chunk of memory and access it using array pointers

03:20 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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03:21 <CoderForLife> &more

03:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the upper 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Lows around 15. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;

03:21 <Soul_keeper> hello CoderForLife

03:21 <CoderForLife> morning

03:21 <Soul_keeper> i found another brick wall on my journey :/

03:22 <Soul_keeper> wrote a whole program thinking C would let me return multidimensional arrays from functions

03:24 <efc> I think that you can do what you want, you'll have to return all the array dimensions, and declare an array pointer in another scope

03:24 <CoderForLife> C will return a pointer to a multi-dimensional array

03:24 <CoderForLife> er  like efc said

03:26 <efc> sadly I am getting to the point where I don't really care anymore

03:27 <Soul_keeper> yup about time to give up on me :)

03:29 <efc> not about your problem.. I care about that, but not about C, or other crap I'm not being paid to work on

03:29 <efc> I work on Ada, the language of committees and beaurocracy

03:31 <CoderForLife> Ada - everyone's 5 favorite languages

03:32 <CoderForLife> where speed is secondary to consensus building

03:33 <CoderForLife> think of the compiler sort of like a community organizer...

03:33 <efc> there's no consensus cuz there's 900 ways to do everything

03:33 <efc> or, occasionally, zero

03:33 <efc> In my job it seems that gaining further knowledge has no advantage

03:34 * CoderForLife continues to Code in C

03:37 <efc> It does have some nice ideas in it

03:37 <CoderForLife> coding in Ada? "you're not paid to think, soldier"

03:38 <efc> yeah pretty much, all the focus is on the Process

03:39 <efc> Repeatable failure > intermittant success

03:39 <Soul_keeper> array declared:   double cpuarray1[2][cores][8];          .........code here populating it.............   array returned to caller:  return (cpuarray1[2][cores][8]);

03:40 <CoderForLife> you need to return &(cpuarray1[2][cores][8])

03:40 <CoderForLife> else you're returning one element of the array

03:40 <CoderForLife> don't you want to return a pointer?

03:41 <Soul_keeper> double cpuarray1[2][cores][8] = thefunction_doing_the_return(cores, cpufrequency);

03:42 <CoderForLife> let me ask:  what part of cpuarray did you want to return from the function?

03:42 <Soul_keeper> all of it

03:42 <efc> of course, you can't return pointers into a locally declared array, they go away when the function ends

03:42 <CoderForLife> right - cpuarray must be declared outside the function

03:43 <CoderForLife> then return(cpuarray)

03:43 <Soul_keeper> so declaring it outside the functions wouldn't make it's elements non-modifiable  ?

03:44 <CoderForLife> not in C

03:44 <Soul_keeper> great i'll try that

03:45 <CoderForLife> if that was the case, my 20 years of C programming was just an illusion

03:45 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

03:45 <efc> Probably easiest (not good) to just declare a huge array as a global and work with that

03:46 <efc> if the program doesn't really matter for anything

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04:09 <Soul_keeper> it's crying about every damn thing now CoderForLife

04:12 <CoderForLife> that's not good

04:12 <Soul_keeper> if i call it outside main that means i have to call the other 3 or 4 functions before it ...

04:12 <Soul_keeper> and they aren't liking that at all

04:14 <Soul_keeper> apparently i can't initialize variables before main and have everyone see them

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04:16 <CoderForLife> initialize them in main then, but leave the declaration global

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04:21 <Soul_keeper> do you mean i can jump out of main then back in at the same place ?

04:23 <CoderForLife> no

04:26 <CoderForLife> int xyz[3][3][3]; void main(void) { memset(xyz,0,sizeof(xyz)); }   or something like that

04:27 <CoderForLife> declare your array global outside of main, but give it values inside of main

04:27 <CoderForLife> all your other functions would simply just reference "xyz"

04:28 <CoderForLife> in my silly example

04:28 <Soul_keeper> ok think i made some progress

04:29 <CoderForLife> not sure memset is the right function to use, just what popped in my head

04:29 * CoderForLife feels fully disclaimed now

04:30 <Soul_keeper> cpuinfo(cores, cpufrequency, cpuarray1);      after delcaring cpuarray1 outside main and retrieving those other two ints from other functions

04:30 <Soul_keeper> :)

04:32 <CoderForLife> it's working for you?

04:36 * CoderForLife goes back to his Code

04:41 <Soul_keeper> minutearray[count1][count2][1] = cpuarray1[2][count2][1] - cpuarray1[1][count2][1];

04:41 <Soul_keeper> hopefully that kinda stuff works

04:57 <Soul_keeper> slow and steady :)

05:02 <kathryn_> heh.  Just put a collar with a bell on the cat.  She's very puzzled.

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05:53 <Soul_keeper> minutearray[count1][count2][1] = ((minutearray[count1][count2][1] / minutearray[count1][count2][8]) * 100);

05:53 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, does that look "illegal" to you ?

05:56 <CoderForLife> no - you're just operating on elements of arrays

06:13 <Soul_keeper> success CoderForLife :)

06:14 <CoderForLife> excellent - congratulations

06:15 <CoderForLife> slow but steady application of basic principles will overcome the obstacles

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06:16 * CoderForLife tries some of that on his own Code

06:16 <Soul_keeper> implementing a weighted average algorithm  took some head scratching earlier heh

06:17 <soylent> hi there, anyone else upload-problems with finished WU's to seti@home? :)

06:18 <Soul_keeper> yes

06:18 <Soul_keeper> seti and setibeta

06:19 <Soul_keeper> can download them fine tho

06:20 <soylent> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=52159&nowrap=true#868006  :)

06:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dnf96q> (at setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu)

06:26 <Soul_keeper> cool

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08:08 <xcamel> 'lo

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08:42 <CoderForLife> morning xcamel

08:43 <xcamel> 'lo

08:49 <xcamel> looks like a little snow..

09:04 <xcamel> &wx 12074

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09:04 <xcamel> &more

09:04 <Romulus> xcamel: Blustery with lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph after midnight.; Monday - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Blustery with highs in the upper 20s. West winds around 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 1:00 AM EST on February 23, 2009;

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09:15 <xcamel> hmm.. not getting any mw work

09:17 <Soul_keeper> wcg gpugrid and einstein are fine :)

09:28 <xcamel> there it goes..

09:29 <Soul_keeper> hate it when i type  "1" instead of "i"  in my code,  and it causes a segfault after a 10min test

09:31 <Soul_keeper> hey when mw finishes will you be able to view the 3d model ?

09:34 <xcamel> I doubt it..

09:37 <Soul_keeper> well that's real motivating, considering i just attached to it 10 seconds ago ...

09:37 <xcamel> well.. I've never gone looking for it.

09:38 <Soul_keeper> they aren't done yet

09:38 <Soul_keeper> but i'd assume it would be massive once they are

09:38 <Soul_keeper> maybe several gigabytes

09:39 <xcamel> could be..

09:47 <CoderForLife> re-hi

10:02 <Soul_keeper> hey

10:04 <Soul_keeper> any idea how i might be able to connect with boinc (for monitoring via gui) to a system using some kinda ppd ?

10:07 <xcamel> wb

10:08 <CoderForLife> thx

10:10 <Soul_keeper> :)

10:16 <xcamel> I really need to find a better backup device

10:42 <CoderForLife> just for fun, look at Amazon S3

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11:45 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: int* foo() { int myarray[42]; return myarray; } won't work

11:46 <PovAddict> the array is in the stack, will stop existing when the function ends

11:46 <PovAddict> so the caller will get a pointer to an array that doesn't exist anymore

11:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah i got it all figured out now

12:31 <Soul_keeper> memset( (void *) minutearray2, '\0', sizeof(double) * 64 * 9);    this works but this doesn't   memset ((void*) minutearray2, '\0', sizeof (minutearray2));

12:38 <Soul_keeper> ohhh well

12:44 <xcamel> re-hi

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12:53 <Soul_keeper> hello xcamel

12:54 <xcamel> nice split..

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13:07 <Soul_keeper> Fri Nov 15 06:35:52 1935

13:07 <Soul_keeper> lol

13:12 <PovAddict> http://bash.org/?875655

13:12 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #875655 (at bash.org)

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13:19 <Soul_keeper> lol

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13:21 <Soul_keeper> looks like my C port of the cpu poller uses 1/3rd the memory it did in perl

13:23 <Soul_keeper> 2MB vs. 6MB

13:24 <Soul_keeper> and it don't register on top :)

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13:56 <DarKnesS_WolF> &whatis linux

13:56 <Romulus> DarKnesS_WolF: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.2.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

13:57 <DarKnesS_WolF> mm looks nice, do u advice it for a n00b in grid computing ?

14:01 <DarKnesS_WolF> okay i am lost now. i should use it only as a client/server stand alone and can be used like seti@home, but i can't use it with my current PBS system to provide a middleware for the applications ?

14:01 <DarKnesS_WolF> or how it works in that case i am so confused from the manuals

14:01 <PovAddict> what's PBS?

14:01 <Romulus> It has been said that PBS is good, PovAddict

14:02 <PovAddict> and the only thing I advice to noobs is to start learning :)

14:03 <DarKnesS_WolF> PovAddict: i am reading and learning what i am still missing and reading about, now i know that is cluster and what is grid. also what is middleware , i find that bonic is a middleware " from wikipedia " but i am reading in the website i feel it is all one package no PBS / grideninge required ?

14:04 <PovAddict> I don't know what PBS *is*

14:05 <DarKnesS_WolF> batch system like torque / openpbs it is resource mangment system

14:05 <DarKnesS_WolF> same as sun grid engine.

14:05 <DarKnesS_WolF> PovAddict: any good / decent paper about what is clusters / grids or how to build one with all the requred applications ?

14:05 <PovAddict> I don't know anything but BOINC

14:06 <PovAddict> I have no idea how clusters/grids work, wrt how to create jobs to be processed and stuff

14:06 <DarKnesS_WolF> PovAddict: so it is everything ? i mean u install the server and 100 client for example, all uisng boinc and ur done. u have ur own grid ?

14:07 <PovAddict> and modify the application to use the BOINC API, and create tasks, and write a server-side program to do something useful with the returned data

14:08 <DarKnesS_WolF> i c so it is not just a middleware

14:08 <PovAddict> depends on your particular definition of "middleware"

14:09 <DarKnesS_WolF> it is the layer between the applications and cluster / grids you have

14:10 <PovAddict> BOINC includes the client, and the server, and the glue between the client and your own app

14:11 <DarKnesS_WolF> mmm

14:11 <DarKnesS_WolF> ok let me check another middleware brb

14:11 <PovAddict> btw, before you even try doing anything with the server...

14:12 <PovAddict> install the client, attach to SETI or some other public project, and watch it work

14:13 <DarKnesS_WolF> PovAddict: will do may be on a virutal machine :)

14:13 <DarKnesS_WolF> my idea is that i'll not only have one cluster or grid

14:14 <DarKnesS_WolF> i'll have like few nodes running pbs server and few running gridengin and i needed something to connect them all when i need too

14:15 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BoincIntro

14:15 <Romulus> Title: BoincIntro - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

14:25 <DarKnesS_WolF> Day changed to 02 Jan 2003

14:25 <DarKnesS_WolF> haha my computer clock acts wirdo

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15:19 <CoderForLife> bbl

15:26 <Tank_Master> hf

15:26 <MTughan> 'lo TM

15:26 <Tank_Master> hi MT

15:27 <MTughan> Back in Ottawa with the desktop. :)

15:27 <Tank_Master> sounds fun :)

15:28 <MTughan> With 72% of RAM used... I have 8GB.

15:28 <Tank_Master> nice :)

15:28 <Tank_Master> VMs?

15:28 <MTughan> No.

15:28 <MTughan> Looks like it may be a Cosmology WU causing most of it.

15:29 <Tank_Master> wuw

15:29 <Tank_Master> im only runing MW and gpugrid atm

15:30 <MTughan> While I was away, I put the quad on some other projects besides MW just in case it went down again. Finishing those WUs off, then going to attempt to get MW's GPU client running.

15:30 <MTughan> Which will require a restart of BOINC.

15:30 <Tank_Master> you have an sti card itll run on?

15:30 <Tank_Master> ati*

15:30 <MTughan> reinstall*

15:30 <MTughan> HD4870.

15:30 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

15:31 <Tank_Master> but BOINC wont see the ATI cards yet as coprocessors

15:31 <Tank_Master> afaik anyway

15:31 <MTughan> Of course, the problem proposed on the MW forums was that protected install wasn't working.

15:31 <MTughan> No, it doesn't, but BOINC sees the ATI GPU app as just a CPU app.

15:31 <Tank_Master> for vista, yes

15:31 <Tank_Master> (for protected not working)

15:31 <MTughan> I believe they have XP support now too.

15:32 <Tank_Master> you should be fine in XP with protected mode

15:32 <MTughan> Ah, yeah. Unfortunately, Win7's ATI drivers don't come with stream yet, so I need Vista for the GPU app.

15:32 <DarKnesS_WolF> guys can someone please give me an idea about the grid or point me to a howto ?:

15:33 <DarKnesS_WolF> also if i do have mixed clusters / grids  like some bonic some grid engine and some pbs tourqe what middleware i'll use to connect them all to hand work load and schdualing ?

15:33 <Tank_Master> boinc in general?

15:34 <Tank_Master> BOINC works only with direct internet connection

15:34 <Tank_Master> theres no master server concept

15:34 <DarKnesS_WolF> Tank_Master: i understand that boinc is a standalone everything package , so manly u can not integrate pbs into boinc right ?

15:34 <Tank_Master> pbs?

15:34 <Romulus> pbs is good, Tank_Master

15:34 <Tank_Master> stfu Romulus

15:34 <MTughan> forget pbs

15:34 <Romulus> I hear ya, MTughan.

15:36 <wdsmia> re-hi back from toy store... err computer store

15:36 <Tank_Master> what is pbs?

15:36 <Tank_Master> re-wb wdsmia

15:37 <MTughan> Well, the high RAM usage isn't from Cosmology alone... Probably just needs a restart.

15:42 <DarKnesS_WolF> Tank_Master: batch ystem resource mangment

15:43 <Tank_Master> ah

15:50 <DarKnesS_WolF> how come u guys never heard of PBS ?

15:54 <MTughan> Escoteric system?

15:56 <MTughan> This? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Batch_System

15:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dkzozv> (at en.wikipedia.org)

16:07 <PovAddict> almost everyone here are users of the BOINC client

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16:08 <PovAddict> processing for public projects

16:08 <PovAddict> few here ever did something with the server side

16:08 <PovAddict> those who did aren't necessarily grid computing experts

16:08 <PovAddict> I don't have grid computing knowledge outside BOINC

16:09 <PovAddict> connecting boinc and another grid software is not supported; but have fun trying to do it yourself

16:09 <PovAddict> I think some projects did it... using their own scripts or something

16:18 <MTughan> WTF? I have 1GB of 8GB of memory free, and WMP says it's low on memory. >_>

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16:33 <MTughan> lol

16:35 <DarKnesS_WolF> thx for the info

16:35 <DarKnesS_WolF> gtg now

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16:38 <MTughan> 'lo Nickuwo

16:39 <Nickuwo> Hey MT, whats up?

16:39 <MTughan> PovAddict: Any idea what would happen if I were to attempt running the MW GPU app by copying the Streak SDK DLLs from Vista over to Win7?

16:39 <MTughan> Gonna try getting a GPU app running later tonight... Just trying to finish off some workunits from projects.

16:42 <Nickuwo> nice, I just got ramsey running with CUDA

16:42 <Nickuwo> fast as fuck

16:43 <MTughan> And I have an ATI card... ;)

16:43 <Nickuwo> bummer :)

16:43 <MTughan> Down from 5 minutes/WU on CPU to average 9 seconds/WU, from what I've read. :D

16:43 <Nickuwo> yowsa

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16:49 <CoderForLife> back

16:50 <CoderForLife> I see I've gained super-powers since I left

16:50 <MTughan> Services were taken down, you got op when they came back up.

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16:51 <CoderForLife> mere mortal again

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16:57 <efc> remoo, repost of my hot water heater plan

16:57 <efc> http://home.earthlink.net/~cottongim/hotwater.jpg

16:57 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dyd95j> (at home.earthlink.net)

17:09 <efc> the idea being to take advantage of both low grade winter and high grade summer heat

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17:41 <CoderForLife> time to gather the trash and usher it to a curbside seat - bbiab

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18:21 <CoderForLife> have the womenfolk arrived home, xcamel?

18:21 * CoderForLife has a coughing fit since coming in out of the cold air

18:23 <CoderForLife> the neighbors must have run out of deer food - I've had the beat 3 deer off my birdfeeder in the last hour

19:09 <Tank_Master> lol

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19:14 <Rookie_69> I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.

19:15 <CoderForLife> your condition is in a state of flux - all fluxed up

19:15 <CoderForLife> I recommend taking 2 alcoholic beverages, and trying again in the morning

19:16 <Rookie_69> Ok.

19:16 <Rookie_69> If I really must.

19:17 <CoderForLife> well, you could call in well tomorrow

19:18 <Rookie_69> Yeah... I could take a well day off from w@&k.

19:18 <CoderForLife> wow - nice APOD  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

19:18 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

19:21 <Tank_Master> hey Rookie_69!

19:22 <Rookie_69> Hi, Tank_Master!...Hi to  Don Too.

19:22 * CoderForLife waves

19:23 * CoderForLife waves goodnight

19:23 <CoderForLife> cya folks back here real soon

19:23 <Rookie_69> Goodnight Irene.

19:25 * Rookie_69 goes back to looking at Orion's baby picture.

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19:55 <CoderForLife> just don't call me Shirley

19:55 <Rookie_69> Who, me? Surely you jest.

19:55 <Rookie_69> Oops.

20:01 <Tank_Master> surely I wont call you shirly

20:02 <xcamel> leave Shirly out of it..

20:02 <MTughan> If I have a power device that takes 6V, those are the specs on the transformer, but I read 9.4V from the plug, what does that mean?

20:02 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

20:02 <xcamel> no load voltage

20:03 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

20:03 <Tank_Master> meens you can overclock

20:03 <MTughan> Hmm, fair enough...

20:03 <MTughan> lol TM

20:03 <Rookie_69> Try reading the voltage when the device is plugged in.

20:03 <Rookie_69> Too slow.

20:03 <MTughan> I can't from the plug, but I can get it from the PCB.

20:05 <MTughan> 7.9V on the device.

20:07 <xcamel> withing spec.. of there is a battery involved...

20:08 <MTughan> 8.1V when everything is plugged in.

20:08 <MTughan> It's an optical to coax audio converter.

20:09 <MTughan> Last used before Christmas, I come back with the Mac, and it's not working.

20:09 <MTughan> I can confirm that optical out is working on the computer, I have no way to check coax in on the receiver, but I suspect it's the converter.

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20:17 <Rookie_69> .ooM

20:18 <efc> moo

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20:20 <MTughan> Dammit... Looks like a solder connection broke internally.

20:20 <Rookie_69> Imagine that.

20:21 <Rookie_69> RF perversion is a terrible thing to do to an audio signal anyhows.

20:22 <Rookie_69> ... not that my tin ears can tell the difference...

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20:24 <Rookie_69> Test one... Hit it.

20:24 <Rookie_69> Test two... Look for smoke.

20:25 <Rookie_69> Test three check the solder joints.

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20:26 <Rookie_69> If you let the smoke out, it's too late. Electronics rely on smoke to work.

20:33 <Rookie_69> ... unless you're a psychlo.

20:40 <Tank_Master> who let the smoke out?

20:40 <Rookie_69> arf arf arf.

20:40 <Rookie_69> ...woof?

20:41 <MTughan> Solder to the rescue.

20:41 <Rookie_69> Hmm... that severe rain storm seems to have turned into a cloudy night with a slight breeze.

20:41 <MTughan> The audio is flowing again. :)

20:42 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

20:42 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 33.1°F / 0.6°C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 10.6mph / 17.1km/h | Updated: 9:42 PM AST; Tonight - Increasing cloudiness. Snow at times heavy mixed with ice pellets beginning late this evening changing to rain at times heavy overnight. Snow and ice pellet amount 5 cm(2.0 in) except 10 cm(3.9 in) (3 more messages)

20:42 <Rookie_69> &more

20:42 <Romulus> Rookie_69: inland and over higher terrain. Rainfall amount 20 to 30 mm. Local blowing snow late this evening. Wind becoming east 30 km/h (19 mph) this evening then increasing to 50 km/h (31 mph) gusting to 80 km/h (50 mph) overnight. Low -2C(28F) with temperature rising to 2C(36F) by morning.; Monday - Rain showers changing to flurries in the morning. Snowfall amount 2 cm(0.8 in). Wind east 50 km/h (2 more messages)

20:42 <Rookie_69> &more

20:42 <Romulus> Rookie_69: (31 mph) gusting to 80 km/h (50 mph) becoming south 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) then southwest 50 km/h (31 mph) gusting to 80 km/h (50 mph) in the morning. Temperature falling to 0C(32F) in the afternoon. Monday night cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Wind west 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph). Low -5C(23F).; Tuesday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of (1 more message)

20:42 <Rookie_69> &more

20:42 <Romulus> Rookie_69: flurries. High -2C(28F).;

20:43 <Rookie_69> I guess it's just delayed a bit.

20:45 <Rookie_69> I didn't go to the boat show this weekend... Figured I couldn't handle the torture.

20:54 * Rookie_69 heads off to bed with visions of running rigging dancing in his head.

20:54 <Rookie_69> NN.

20:55 <MTughan> Night.

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