IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-02-24

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00:51 <efc> moo

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02:51 <efc> &wx 31088

02:51 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 30F / -1C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.38in / 1029hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Light and variable winds.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds 5 to 15 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper (1 more message)

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03:53 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 21.0F / -6.1C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly clear. Lows 10 to 15. Light and variable winds becoming light southeast winds late.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the (1 more message)

03:54 <CoderForLife> &more

03:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: upper 20s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:03 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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04:08 <efc> moo cfl

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04:13 <CoderForLife> back, and back

04:15 <efc> Get it together, CFL

04:16 <CoderForLife> I guess I shouldn't hand around with the likes of lindbohm

04:16 <CoderForLife> er hang

04:16 <efc> cavorting around on

04:17 <CoderForLife> I don't even know who lindbohm is

04:17 <CoderForLife> "one of the founders of Swedish science fiction"

04:18 <CoderForLife> well I had guessed "somebody having something to do with science fiction, probably an author"

04:18 <CoderForLife> clever of me, huh?

04:19 <efc> Just a lucky guess.

04:20 <CoderForLife> "One of the founders of modern swedish science fiction, Dnis Lindbohm not only writes some very amusing sci-fi short stories, but also a multitude of books dealing with his many former incarnations. Right now he's a retired man in his seventies, but some lifes past, he was a great pre-human sorceror on a faraway planet."

04:21 <CoderForLife> sounds like he was a real fun guy

04:21 <CoderForLife> "... in the seventies, when he was at his busiest exploring dream-realities with self-hypnosis and meeting Satan in other dimensions."

04:22 <efc> gimme some of what he's smoking

04:22 <CoderForLife> uh-huh

04:22 <CoderForLife> I'll have *none* of that stuff

04:24 <efc> You're looking pretty silly from this dimension, right Satan?

04:24 <CoderForLife> no wonder I've never read any of his stuff

04:26 <efc> ugh, how many times are they going to play the make-a-wish foundation commercial

04:29 <CoderForLife> Ve vill repeat the process until ve see you cooperate

04:29 <CoderForLife> comply!

04:29 <efc> they've played it so many times the tape has stretched for the first second or two

04:29 <efc> They aren't asking for money, directly..

04:30 <CoderForLife> again!

04:30 <efc> ____-----Sttttteewart Snogress.. a Good Guy who became a Bad Guy

04:31 <efc> Who do I call to get MIchele Gielan to come to my place

04:32 <CoderForLife> her agent

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04:33 <CoderForLife> bachelor's in computer engineering

04:34 <efc> fail

04:34 <efc> practicing thirds exercises on piano

04:34 <efc> I don't see how people do this

04:35 <CoderForLife> one of my goals in retirement is to learn to play piano

04:35 <efc> I've been messing with it for a long time

04:36 <efc> it has a tremendous depth, you can be 'good' and still not be able to play much of anything serious

04:37 * CoderForLife puts away the news, and opens visual studio

04:38 <efc> "CBS Colonoscopy Sweepstakes"

04:40 <CoderForLife> there's a fun one

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04:42 <CoderForLife> morning clusty

04:47 <ELGono> moo

04:47 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

04:47 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Light Freezing Drizzle | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 10:20 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F.; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.;

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04:47 <CoderForLife> morning JR

04:47 <ELGono> snow again

04:47 <CoderForLife> morning T_M

04:47 <ELGono> when will this end?

04:48 <CoderForLife> 2012

04:48 <Tank_Master> waahoo!! snowWW

04:48 <Tank_Master> just not here :(

04:48 <Tank_Master> morning CFL

04:49 <ELGono> we have this at daytime it's raining on the snow - snow

04:49 <CoderForLife> morning =)

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04:51 <Tank_Master> c-ya all, off to bed :P

04:51 <CoderForLife> cya  tc

04:51 <Tank_Master> u2

04:52 <ELGono> hehehe

04:52 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Sony Releases Stupid Piece Of !@#& That Doesn't !@#&ing !@#& (at

04:53 * CoderForLife fixes a rounding function

04:54 <CoderForLife> there - that function will never threaten us again

04:57 <Soul_keeper> :)

04:58 <Soul_keeper> cleaned up all my naming stuff,  fixed all the array sizing to be proper too :)

04:58 <Soul_keeper> doing the final tests on my complete port now

04:58 <CoderForLife> nice

04:58 * CoderForLife continues translating PHP into C

04:59 <Soul_keeper> well the cgi stuff will have to wait, i might switch that all around

04:59 <Soul_keeper> i really like C

04:59 <CoderForLife> it gets the job done

05:00 <CoderForLife> I've been doing C since 1981

05:00 <Soul_keeper> i'm thinking this port uses 2/3rds less memory and has upwards of 20x less cpu overhead   than it did in perl

05:00 <CoderForLife> compiled Code is faster

05:01 <Soul_keeper> ohh yeah, i just didn't expect the interpreted code to be so poor

05:01 <Soul_keeper> i mean it's still fast, compared to me with a calculator ...

05:02 <CoderForLife> I can still work a slide rule, if you need it to be any slower

05:02 <Soul_keeper> ok say for example i have 3 log files, each writes a line 1440 times a day ....

05:03 <Soul_keeper> i'm thinking i might just do some kinda log rotate functionality, where it compresses to a tar.bz2 after each 10 days

05:04 <Soul_keeper> don't really need a database if i do that

05:05 <ELGono> textfile do fine for that SK

05:05 <Soul_keeper> i'm figuring maybe 200MB total storage space over 1yr

05:06 <ELGono> in germany we say: TFSNA text files strzen nicht ab ... textfiles do not crash the system

05:06 <Soul_keeper> :)

05:06 <ELGono> we just set up a system for heidis final thesis ...

05:07 <ELGono> sh'e writing just in text files

05:07 <Soul_keeper> nice

05:07 <ELGono> wich are included and formattet in latex later on

05:08 <Soul_keeper> fork() is usually frowned on right ?

05:09 <ELGono> remember the big split few days ago?

05:09 <Soul_keeper> yeah

05:09 <ELGono> where a transatlantic route went fubar

05:09 <ELGono> it was a czech cisco admin

05:09 * CoderForLife remembers

05:09 <ELGono> experiencing a bug in ios

05:11 <ELGono> he mixed up "set as-path prepend" with "bgp-prepend"

05:11 <CoderForLife> Ooo  BGP has a big impact

05:12 <ELGono> jepp all others ciscos in network in europe and us went fubar et once

05:12 <CoderForLife> doubtless

05:13 <ELGono> hehe did bgp-prepend 47868

05:13 <CoderForLife> ouch

05:13 <ELGono> wich was interpreted as 47868 modulo 256 = 252

05:13 <ELGono> so he added 252 hops to his route

05:13 <CoderForLife> yup

05:14 <ELGono> but ciscos seems to have  problem with more than 255 hops in a route

05:14 <CoderForLife> border gateway protocol is powerful/dangerous

05:14 <clusty> CoderForLife, mornin

05:15 <CoderForLife> he he  hi clusty

05:15 <clusty> sorry, was busy cursing at boinc til now :D

05:15 <CoderForLife> that's OK - I was Coding

05:16 <clusty> actually what sort of stuff do you do?

05:16 <clusty> networking?

05:16 <Romulus> net!@#&ing is a pain, clusty

05:16 <CoderForLife> I do it all  =)

05:16 <clusty> zip it Romulus

05:16 <clusty> :D

05:17 <clusty> if i remember righjt you also boss ppl around?

05:17 <clusty> not only code?

05:17 <CoderForLife> heh  no

05:18 <CoderForLife> degree is in Electrical Engineering, but was blinded by computer science - Coder at heart, Enterprise Architect and technology strategist by day

05:18 <clusty> my bad. there was a guy who was some IT chief

05:19 <clusty> i am close to that :D

05:19 <CoderForLife> did major LAN design in 1996 to move company to new head office

05:19 <clusty> bachelors in EE/math and masters in comp sci

05:19 <CoderForLife> My title is Information Technology Head

05:19 <clusty> but i seem to hate all of it

05:19 <CoderForLife> I am a vice president in IT at my company

05:19 <clusty> now i wish i were a dcotopr

05:20 <clusty> :D

05:20 <CoderForLife> I perform surgery on Code all the time

05:20 <CoderForLife> today I get to negotiate contracts

05:20 <clusty> well then i was right. you are the IT  boss guy :D

05:20 <ELGono> "hello, IT. have u tried to turn if off an on again?"

05:21 <CoderForLife> guy=definitely, IT=usually, boss=questionable

05:21 <clusty> :D

05:21 <CoderForLife> I'm really just a Coder

05:21 <clusty> thus the nick

05:22 <CoderForLife> mm-hmm

05:22 <CoderForLife> well - time to get ready to goto that bad place - bbiab

05:22 <clusty> bbai

05:23 <ELGono> oh dear

05:23 <ELGono> we just a got a letter from police ... asking us to hand out ip/user data

05:25 <ELGono> well off to lunch ... laterz

05:29 <clusty> ELGono, which police might that be?

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06:03 <KathrynM> Is it really sad when I'd rather watch Korean commercials than watch Oprah and Dr. Oz?

06:04 <CoderForLife> back for a moment

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06:06 <CoderForLife> since when did msging chanserv become case sensitive?

06:06 <CoderForLife> I could swear I've always typed chanserv

06:06 <CoderForLife> not ChanServ

06:07 <CoderForLife> things that make you go "Hmmmm"

06:08 <mchelen> this works ok: /msg nickserv help

06:08 <mchelen> maybe chanserv is broken

06:11 <mchelen> maybe its something wrong with irc client?

06:12 <CoderForLife> I think it broke when I got dumped off lindbohm server this morning

06:12 <CoderForLife> maybe it's a server local config thing

06:13 <CoderForLife> hmm /msg chanserv help is ok

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06:14 <CoderForLife> ok - so now it works

06:14 <CoderForLife> nm

06:18 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - laterz

06:19 <clusty> KathrynM, hey

06:20 <clusty> KathrynM, long time no see

06:21 <KathrynM> clusty!!!!!!

06:22 <clusty> the one and only

06:22 <clusty> how are the kiddos?

06:22 <KathrynM> good

06:23 <KathrynM> our 7 year olds graduated from the kindergarten program today.  They start in the elementary program tomorrow.

06:23 <clusty> nice

06:23 <clusty> did they have like a show and such?

06:24 <KathrynM> I need to upload the pictures to my site.

06:24 <KathrynM> probably won't get done until the weekend tho

06:31 <hawmps> 'lo

06:32 <hawmps> good for them...

07:08 <Soul_keeper> milkyway runs nice on my Eee

07:08 <Soul_keeper> 3:40min wu's

07:09 <Soul_keeper> better than the 50hr miss the deadline stuff many projects give it

07:22 <ELGono> lol, some new candidate for the "balls of steel award"

07:22 <ELGono>

07:22 <Romulus> <> (at

07:23 <ELGono> damn wrong link

07:23 <ELGono>

07:23 <Romulus> <> (at

07:24 <ELGono> nigerian dude took 27Million $ from citybank ...

07:24 <ELGono> saying "i'm bank of ethopia"

07:24 <Soul_keeper> lol

07:25 <ELGono> well it really worked, but he was so stupid to take a plane to L.A. after that action

07:25 <ELGono> where he was caught

07:28 <Soul_keeper> he probably thought he'd be a rockstar with the money in LA

07:28 <Soul_keeper> buy himself a jet and gold chain like 50

07:33 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [04:10:331] Psychotron .:. Megadeth .:. Countdown To Extinction .:. Track 9

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08:06 <Soul_keeper> wb

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10:28 <Soul_keeper> hmmm ok, i need to jump back in perl now

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10:49 <MTughan>

10:49 <Romulus> <> (at

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11:14 <hawmps> looks like a little LHC just popped up..

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11:53 <Soul_keeper> ok perl is not going to be fast enough for image generation

11:53 <Soul_keeper> reading the contents of a file into an array, to deal with line by line makes it run extremely slow

12:01 <ELGono> you dealing with just rows of that array?

12:01 <ELGono> single rows

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12:11 <Zombie> Is anyone here? I'm having an issue starting BOINC

12:12 <Zombie> BOINC is not running (no lockfiles found).                      [  OK  ]

12:12 <Zombie> /etc/init.d/boinc-client: line 333: [: too many arguments

12:12 <Zombie> Starting BOINC client as a daemon:

12:16 <MTughan> Zombie: Linux OS, I guess? What BOINC version?

12:16 <Zombie> 6.4.5

12:16 <MTughan> Does the same thing happen with "service boinc-client start"?

12:17 <Zombie> Yes.Yes.

12:17 <MTughan> Did you install from a package or download the binaries from the BOINC site? Or even compile them yourself?

12:17 <PovAdct_w> what distro?

12:17 <Romulus> It has been said that what distro is this, PovAdct_w

12:18 <Zombie> Mandriva, packages.

12:18 <PovAdct_w> seems a bug in your /etc/init.d/boinc-client

12:18 <PovAdct_w> btw mandriva package is broken in another way... once you get the client to start, you won't be able to get work!

12:18 <Zombie> This is a fresh package.

12:18 <PovAdct_w> define fresh

12:19 <Zombie> Are you going on what is in Cooker?

12:19 <PovAdct_w> I don't run mandriva, what's cooker?

12:19 <Zombie> I'm a package.

12:19 <Zombie> Cooker is Mandriva development.

12:20 <PovAdct_w> anyway, that error is the mandriva-specific boinc startup script being broken; complain to mandriva

12:21 <ELGono> zombie wich arguments you have at init.d script?

12:21 <ELGono> also it seems that no further investigation is necessary if i understand pov right

12:21 <ELGono> -also +although

12:22 <PovAdct_w> and when complaining, point the packagers/developers to this:

12:22 <Romulus> <> (at

12:24 <PovAdct_w> hmm

12:25 <PovAdct_w> Zombie: /etc/init.d/boinc-client line 118, what username is set there?

12:26 <Zombie> root, which it probably should not be

12:26 <PovAdct_w> o_O

12:26 <MTughan> I could see boinc_master or your own username, but definitely not root.

12:27 <Zombie> boinc has a user name.

12:27 <PovAdct_w> second reason to think "note to self, don't run mandriva"

12:27 <Zombie> its just boinc

12:27 <MTughan> I've seen boinc_master and boinc_project, but never boinc by itself... Well, that seems a better username to run under anyway, rather than root.

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12:45 <Soul_keeper> i don't think i can speed perl up here ...  for some reason it was like 50x faster reading from a db than it is reading from a large array

12:51 <ELGono> split in smaller arrays if possible

12:51 <MTughan> lol... In the trial of TPB, one of the members wrote a post on Twitter: "Pwnage."

12:53 <ELGono> iirc if you just want a line out of an array in perl, the array matrix is multiplied with an unit vector

12:54 <ELGono> to get a complete row out of the matrix it does at much matrix mulplications as you have rows in the matrix

12:54 <ELGono> -at +as

12:54 <ELGono> and adds the results

12:55 <Zombie> I'm recompiling/

12:59 <Soul_keeper> yeah it's not good

12:59 <Soul_keeper> i'm going to just do it in C

12:59 <Soul_keeper> :)

12:59 <ELGono> hehe might be better

12:59 <ELGono> could be that there is another function in perl to solve this nice

12:59 <Soul_keeper> generating images in C isn't hard either

13:01 <Soul_keeper>    lol that guy was creating tux :)

13:01 <Romulus> Title: Creating/Manipulating Images with gd (at

13:03 <Soul_keeper> this means i'll have to port all my date/time code to C as well ...

13:03 <Soul_keeper> guess i'll be busy for awhile now

13:03 <ELGono> gd is great ;)

13:04 <Zombie> Hey folks. Don't suppose any of you have interest in the TILP Project?

13:04 <MTughan> TILP?

13:05 <Soul_keeper> TI calculator linkage program ?

13:05 <Soul_keeper> nope, but i do own one of them calculators

13:05 <MTughan> I used to have a TI-83+. It's my sister's now.

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13:06 <MTughan> Wow, the scheduler in 6.2.19 is even screwed up... I'm just about to run out of MW tasks and it'll leave one core idle, but it's not fetching anything more.

13:06 <MTughan> 'lo TM

13:06 <Tank_Master> 'lo MT

13:07 <hawmps> been that way for a while...

13:07 <Tank_Master> me?

13:07 <hawmps> go back to 6.2.14 and the fetch is working...

13:08 <Tank_Master> I just installed a app complatibility update for win7

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13:14 <FreeLarry> humm seems lhc passed out a few wu's - but all error out "Maximum disk usage exceeded"

13:17 <MTughan> Yeah, same here... Thanks for letting me know TM.

13:20 <MTughan> Wants to restart, but it can wait.

13:20 <MTughan> BTW, Win7 RC is rumored for April.

13:20 <ELGono> hehe i would call it win 5.2 ;)

13:21 <MTughan> Internally, it's NT 6.1. :P

13:21 <MTughan> XP was NT 5.1 IIRC, Vista is 6.0, 7 is 6.1.

13:22 <Zombie> Yes, TI Linking program/

13:28 <Tank_Master> its rumerd the final build for win7 will be out this summer

13:29 <Tank_Master> oh, and build 7022 has been leaked

13:29 <Tank_Master> im gonna d/l it tonight

13:29 <MTughan> If they do get an RC out by April, and it's good, that's quite possible.

13:29 <Tank_Master> the beta was already feature compleate

13:29 <MTughan> But occasionally buggy.

13:29 <Tank_Master> so the RC will just be bug and performance fixes

13:31 <Zombie> I'm trying to build the final section of TILP2. kde-private.h is complaining an implicit declaration of QObject.

13:31 <MTughan> Sounds like a missing header that includes QObject.

13:33 <Zombie> They are there, I checked.

13:35 <Tank_Master> they are missing?

13:41 <FreeLarry> 5.5 day run on fedora 10 - new machine

13:41 <Romulus> <> (at

13:41 <Zombie> de-private.cpp:12:2: error: #error "The header file 'kde-private.h' doesn't include <QObject>."

13:41 <Zombie> By the way.

13:42 <Zombie> When will yBOINC's database be back on line?

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14:14 <ELGono> reminder: don't miss comet lulin tonight

14:14 <ELGono> near constellation of LEO

14:19 <hawmps> as long as it stays clear out

14:21 <hawmps> near, or in LEO?

14:21 <ELGono> today just next to saturn

14:21 <ELGono> below leo

14:22 <Zombie> I can't sign up for Seti@ Hom'e.

14:23 <Zombie> whats the matter?

14:23 <ELGono>

14:23 <Romulus> <> (at

14:24 <MTughan> Zombie: S@H is currently partially down for server maintenance.

14:25 <hawmps> thanks.

14:26 <MTughan> Gotta go off to class... bbl

14:49 <ELGono> oh dear... in a few mins i'm gonna install new dsl splitter via telephon instructions

14:53 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

14:53 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:53 <ELGono> moinmoin yo

14:53 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 8:20 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:40 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:38 F.; Chance of Rain. High:46 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.;

14:54 <yoyo[RKN]> getting spring now

14:54 <ELGono> not here

14:54 <ELGono> another 10cm snow today

14:54 <yoyo[RKN]> ui

14:54 <ELGono> oberhof is just 10km from here

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14:58 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

14:58 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 30°F / -1°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Light Freezing Fog | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 8:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.;

14:59 <ELGono> :/

14:59 <ELGono> going out for beer tonight

14:59 <ELGono> wich is an event in exams time

15:00 <ELGono> err period

15:00 <hawmps> A day without beer is like... a day without beer.

15:01 <hawmps> anyone running boinc on a tesla yet?

15:02 <ELGono> no experience with telsa so far

15:06 <hawmps> 4 1070's on an i7 940 platform could be amazing...

15:06 <hawmps> needs 32gb of memory though...

15:07 <hawmps> mucho mucho spendy

15:07 <ELGono> ;)

15:08 <hawmps> the microway version would be about the best - they've always has the top number smashers...

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15:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: How do you tell BOINC's configure not to build libboinc_graphics?

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16:05 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:38 <CoderForLife> home again

16:39 <CoderForLife> hello BOINClanders

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16:42 <xcamel> 'lo Don

16:42 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

16:42 <CoderForLife> reading this 1999 WSJ warning

16:42 <Romulus> <> (at

16:43 <CoderForLife> er NYT

16:43 <CoderForLife> wow - was that ever prophetic

16:46 <CoderForLife> bbiab

16:50 <xcamel> they pretty much nailed it, eh?

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17:00 <CoderForLife> yeah - about as dead-on as they come

17:01 <CoderForLife> in the Times, no less

17:02 <FreeLarry> and people used to wonder why i didn't jump into a refinance every time the equity in my house went up

17:03 <FreeLarry> now they are wondering why i don't have the big problem meeting mortgage payment that they are

17:03 <CoderForLife> no such thing as free money

17:03 <FreeLarry> yup

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17:05 <FreeLarry> hey CoderForLife how's this for around 5.5 days

17:05 <Romulus> <> (at

17:06 * CoderForLife hears some crowing outside

17:06 <FreeLarry> lol a little - think a flock flew over  house

17:06 <CoderForLife> sounds like it's coming from the west

17:06 <FreeLarry> big time ;)

17:07 <CoderForLife> heh

17:07 <FreeLarry> looking at boincstats i saw the i7 getting around 0.017 range for credits per sec on 241 cpu's

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17:08 <FreeLarry> wb MTughan

17:08 <MTughan_> Other client.

17:08 <FreeLarry> oops

17:08 <MTughan> This one's still active. :P

17:09 * FreeLarry wonders if he should continue trying out the install of boinc on linux instructions from seti

17:10 <FreeLarry> under the optional set up hints that is

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17:13 <FreeLarry> really don't understand what they trying to say there --

17:13 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:14 <FreeLarry> oh no half of MTughan died

17:14 <MTughan> No...

17:14 <CoderForLife> fortunately it was the mutant half with the tail

17:14 <FreeLarry> yes

17:15 <CoderForLife> not that I'm prejudiced against tails - they're great

17:15 <CoderForLife> diversity, and all that

17:15 <FreeLarry> ahh but they do tend to get in the way of fun

17:16 <PovAddict> no comments

17:17 <CoderForLife> "no comments" is a comment

17:17 <FreeLarry> lol PovAddict do you even know what fun FreeLarry is imagining

17:17 <PovAddict> I don't *want* to know

17:17 <FreeLarry> rofl

17:18 <FreeLarry> daughter was happy to get the refurbed laptop but already asking me to put a larger hd in it

17:19 <FreeLarry> seems she filled up the 30 gig with photos and music

17:19 <CoderForLife> all backup somewhere, of course

17:19 <CoderForLife> backed up

17:19 <FreeLarry> yup from external hd i gave her

17:20 <FreeLarry> recovered from her first laptop that got destroyed

17:21 <xcamel> hmmm.. asus rampage II, I7/965, 6gb memory, 1KW ps... this is starting to look good...

17:21 <FreeLarry> yeah the really high priced i7

17:22 <FreeLarry> went with a 850W ps for my 940 here

17:23 <FreeLarry> so far have only peeked 2 gig of memory usage out of the 12 installed

17:23 <FreeLarry> mostly at 1.2 gig usage

17:37 <xcamel> and that's with winduhs?

17:37 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:37 <FreeLarry> fedora 10 xcamel

17:38 <FreeLarry> x86_64

17:40 <FreeLarry> vista in safe mode with 4 abc units going using slightly more than 1 gig

17:41 <xcamel> oki

17:45 <xcamel> I still can't run boincmgr in kde 4.2

17:46 <FreeLarry> humm running gnome on mine and package installed correctly using instructions from

17:46 <Romulus> <> (at

17:47 <FreeLarry> i did make it so didn't require pw when starting on local host

17:49 <FreeLarry> it may not install the icon incorrect spot for you in kde but think the daemon should install correctly then you would need to make launcher for manager

17:50 <xcamel> it's just some pesky font size/color error..

17:51 <FreeLarry> ahh - yeah wish could change screen size on gnome also as manager uses lower size than desktop for resolution it looks like

17:52 <FreeLarry> at least sscrollbars show up

17:56 * FreeLarry leaves to go chase the sewer ducks out of area - really smelling the place up

17:59 <xcamel> gnome can be a real pain.

18:00 <PovAddict> I use KDE 3.5; after trying KDE 4.1 and some version of GNOME, I came to the conclusion that all *three* suck :)

18:04 <xcamel> KDE 3.5 doesn't 'suck'

18:04 <Tank_Master> it blows

18:04 <PovAddict> depends on your threshold

18:04 <PovAddict> almost all software sucks in some way

18:05 <MTughan> I could never figure out the menu structure of KDE.

18:05 <xcamel> some of it blows

18:06 <PovAddict> like I usually say... Mac OS X can't be called the best user interface, but maybe it's the "least bad" in many cases

18:07 <MTughan> Best development model I've seen anyway. ;)

18:07 <PovAddict> I don't know about that yet

18:07 <MTughan> When it's actually used, that is...

18:07 <MTughan> BOINC uses the programatic way, which is older.

18:08 <PovAddict> now I'm not sure I know what you're talking about anymore

18:08 <MTughan> Cocoa > Carbon || wxWidgets

18:08 <MTughan> That work a little better? :P

18:08 <PovAddict> prove it

18:09 <PovAddict> *cough*

18:09 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Manager (at

18:09 <MTughan> And that hasn't been active for a while because of school and hardware troubles.

18:09 <MTughan> I've had an offer of help for it.

18:10 <MTughan> And really the only reason it's not fully functional yet is because the API adapter library isn't fully functional.

18:10 <PovAddict> got your Mac back now?

18:10 <MTughan> Yes, I do.

18:10 <Tank_Master> nice

18:11 <Tank_Master> ganna put safari 4 on it?

18:11 <MTughan> Nope, don't like Safari.

18:11 <Tank_Master> :P

18:11 <Tank_Master> but thats blasphamy

18:11 <MTughan> It's a good browser, but I prefer the Gecko based. Maybe just historical.

18:12 <Tank_Master> acording to the apple culture

18:12 <xcamel> opera runs great on the mac

18:12 <MTughan> I like Firefox or Camino.

18:12 <PovAddict> what's your experience with office suites on Mac?

18:13 <PovAddict> my dad uses NeoOffice and its speed is horrible (at least on the old PowerBook; still haven't tried the new MacBook)

18:13 <MTughan> Not much. Office 2004 didn't like my Crystal Clear modification. OpenOffice 2.x and NeoOffice did well, but OpenOffice was used through X, and NeoOffice ran slow.

18:14 <MTughan> From my limited experience with OpenOffice 3.x, it seems to run better.

18:14 <PovAddict> OOo3 faster than NeoOffice?

18:14 <Tank_Master> what about office 2008?

18:14 <MTughan> It's Aqua native.

18:14 <Tank_Master> any experence?

18:14 <MTughan> And I don't have Office '08.

18:14 <Tank_Master> ah

18:15 <PovAddict> Safari 4 "Adds ability to save webpages as standalone web applications."

18:15 <PovAddict> sigh

18:15 <MTughan> Probably a Dashboard widget?

18:15 <PovAddict> we're on track for hell: our desktops becoming HTML thin clients

18:15 <xcamel> we're a little beyond hell now...

18:15 <MTughan> OpenOffice 3 brings the Aqua interface, so it's no longer a ported Linux version or in Java.

18:16 <PovAddict> MTughan: and thus looks better; but how much faster does it feel?

18:16 <MTughan> Seems to be all right, but by limited experience, I really mean limited. Fired it up to go through the setup process, then launched a text document, and closed it.

18:18 <MTughan> Let me see if I can find something...

18:19 <MTughan> Loads slowly, even more slowly than the comparable Windows or Linux versions it seems.

18:21 <MTughan> Wow, the spreadsheet is old... Details a computer I'd like to get, and while it has the Q9xxx quads on it, the graphics card is an 8600GT or higher. :P

18:21 <Tank_Master> :)

18:22 <MTughan> And a Radeon HD3650.

18:24 <MTughan> Seems that once it's loaded, it loads other files fast.

18:28 <MTughan> Looks like it's relatively snappy.

18:28 <MTughan> 169MB of memory according to iStat Menus, which is lower than NeoOffice, and this is with three documents open.

18:28 <CoderForLife> xcamel - with all your snow, you need a fjord

18:28 <Romulus> <> (at

18:32 <CoderForLife> The Truth Is Out There - UFOs are sprites,2933,499224,00.html

18:32 <Romulus> <> (at

18:34 <PovAddict> my favorite fast ubuntu mirror dropped most files for Hardy :(

18:34 <CoderForLife> that's bad

18:35 <CoderForLife> a broken mirror is bad luck

18:41 <jasong> Is there a way to make it so that browser code doesn't run unless the page is in the foreground.("browser code" may be an incorrect term, I'm mostly talking about flash animations)

18:42 <MTughan> Probably, but I would imagine not without a browser code modification.

18:42 <jasong> I'd like to open up a bunch of pages at once without my laptop sounding like it's going to take to the air

18:42 <PovAddict> uninstall Flash

18:42 <MTughan> Try NoScript for Firefox.

18:42 <jasong> Yeah, NoScript, thanks

18:42 <jasong> (bad memory)

18:42 <MTughan> IIRC, it can be configured to just block Flash and not JS.

18:42 <jasong> Again, i guess I misused the term

18:43 <jasong> (I'm not good with the jargon)

18:45 <jasong> damn, that was fast

18:45 <jasong> Less than 3 minutes

18:46 <MTughan> To do what?

18:46 <jasong> to install the plugin, including searching for it

18:46 <PovAddict> why should it take more?

18:46 <jasong> Of course, I haven't actually tried it yet

18:46 <MTughan> Firefox plugins don't take long to install, the major thing is downloading and restarting.

18:46 <jasong> Well, I thought I 'd really have to search for it

19:05 <MTughan> Well, Google's getting in on the European Commision's investigation into IE bundling.

19:07 <CoderForLife> they want Chrome bundled instead?

19:08 <MTughan> Probably their end goal, but they probably won't get Chrome bundled exclusively.

19:09 <MTughan> Opera would probably have the front choice, as they were the ones who filed the complaint. Mozilla was next, and now Google.

19:12 <xcamel> ok.. boincmgr will run in kde 4.2 on fc10

19:13 <xcamel> but I can't seem to add a simple damn icon on the desktop for it.

19:20 <PovAddict> OS X bundles safari and I don't see lawsuits

19:20 <CoderForLife> Ubiquity Breeds Contempt (tm)

19:21 <MTughan> That, and Safari is much more standards compliant than IE.

19:21 <xcamel> Larry?

19:56 <CoderForLife> &seen benje

19:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: benje was last seen in #boinc 23 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <benje> that's not the same thing :/

19:56 <MTughan> &any benje

19:56 <Romulus> MTughan: benje was last seen in #boinc 22 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 47 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: *** benje has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection)

19:58 <PovAddict> &seen Spit_theDog

19:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: Spit_theDog was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 40 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 29 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <Spit_theDog> Bye for now all :)

19:58 <PovAddict> T_T

19:58 <CoderForLife> indeed

19:59 <CoderForLife> at least we still have KathrynM

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20:05 <jasong> I've been thinking about the problem of the diagonal measurement of an HDTV not meaning the same as for a standard definition tv.  maybe we could get more value for our money if they sold either a boxy cross-shaped tv, or a tv that doesn't have any light emitting stuff in the corners.  Then people could get their needed real estate for both standard and high-definition tv

20:05 <jasong> What do you think, guys?

20:06 <MTughan> Well, my GPU can hold at least 30 tasks at once in VRAM...

20:07 <CoderForLife> I think I'm too tired to think

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20:07 <twoguns2670> jello

20:08 <CoderForLife> yellow

20:08 <twoguns2670> hey

20:08 <MTughan> twoguns2670 uses a QWERTY KB. :)

20:08 <twoguns2670> a company died here

20:09 <twoguns2670> and i bought two computers really cheap from them

20:09 <xcamel> always nice..

20:09 <CoderForLife> I'm 0ff f0r the evening - I'm g0ing t0 av0id watching 0bama because I will just get furi0us

20:09 <CoderForLife> gn

20:09 <twoguns2670> a IMB for $75 and a dell for $150

20:09 <xcamel> no zero for you...

20:09 <twoguns2670> oh is he on?

20:10 <twoguns2670> hey

20:10 <xcamel> I need a quad tesla

20:10 <CoderForLife> he's way off

20:10 <CoderForLife> nighty-nite

20:10 <xcamel> built on an I7/965 platform

20:10 <twoguns2670> anyways where was the irc that dropped you ibto this room

20:11 <xcamel> conectile dysfunction?

20:11 <jasong> Does anyone know how to prevent the bug that makes Fedora 10 install from the wrong repositories?

20:11 <twoguns2670> yea new mirc will not recieve files

20:12 <jasong> I guess it's possible my dvd was mis-labeled, but I don't want the same thing to happen after having my cruncher out of commission for two hours

20:13 <xcamel> never seen that happen....

20:13 <jasong> I've been told it was solved in Fedora 10, so I may have accidentally installed one of the older ones

20:13 <jasong> This time I've made sure it't the right kernel

20:14 <jasong> (I'm trying to cover my bases)

20:14 <jasong> oh, and I figured out the problem I was having before

20:14 <jasong> My dvd reader had a dirty lens, so files were getting corrupted

20:15 <jasong> Linux is better than Windows, but it still has problems

20:15 <xcamel> I just updated my fc 10 - it works fine

20:16 <xcamel> quirky.. but fine..

20:16 <wdsmia> lol

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20:16 <jasong> (Linux is for smart people. Windows is for gamers, stupid users and people who fall for hype.  Apple stuff is for people with more money than sense)

20:17 <xcamel> I have all 3 and it's linux, mac, and winduhs, in that order

20:18 <jasong> Well, then you're smart, probably a gamer, and like having stuff done for you SOMETIMES :)

20:19 <jasong> My big problem is with people who say Windows is more usable than Linux.  That's not rational thought, that's just plain old fear of change

20:20 <jasong> I don't want to do stuff command-line *WHINE* Rather than read the manual I'm going to randomly click stuff until my problem is solved

20:20 <FreeLarry> xcamel under gnome it adds an icon in system tab but i have never had luck creating a launcer direct on desktop

20:20 * jasong shuts up

20:21 <FreeLarry> jasong i have tried but cant keep enough info in head to remember how i did it the last time when using linux but still try

20:22 <FreeLarry> and poor old books getting a little to dog eared

20:23 * FreeLarry the old addage about if you don't use you lose is very true - and older i get faster lost

20:28 <xcamel> I got it larry.. folder views

20:28 <xcamel> under kde

20:29 <FreeLarry> ahh thanks for info

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20:37 <twoguns2670> ah so now i have three computers running boinc :)

20:37 <wdsmia> only 3?

20:37 <jasong> lol

20:37 <twoguns2670> well i let the mainframes rest

20:37 <jasong> oh, speaking of which...give me a sec, I've got a cool link

20:38 <twoguns2670> tape drives will wear out

20:38 <FreeLarry> hush doug - i don't even want to speculate on your number

20:38 <twoguns2670> lol

20:38 <PovAddict> jasong: GUI-wise, Windows *is* more usable than Linux... unfortunately

20:39 <FreeLarry> true PovAddict but only because i think it was first to market and more people got used to it

20:39 <jasong>

20:39 <PovAddict> FreeLarry: in some aspects, yes

20:39 <Romulus> <> (at

20:39 <twoguns2670> hmmm

20:39 <PovAddict> but try to use both OSs without a mouse, for example

20:40 <FreeLarry> yeah windows does seem to have a slight advantage with the tab and arrow keys

20:40 <twoguns2670> hmmmm

20:40 <PovAddict> I thought Mac OS X was the worst in that aspect

20:40 <jasong> Pov, the basic GUI concept hasn't changed in like forever, command-line gives better control, but people(especially Americans) are lazy

20:40 <PovAddict> then I noticed there was a setting for it

20:40 <twoguns2670> people that had my computers and mouse are unemployed now

20:40 <PovAddict> jasong: yes, definitely

20:41 <jasong> Okay, so we're agreeing from different perspectives

20:41 <PovAddict> jasong: there is a reason that I think all Linux GUIs suck and I use it anyway :P

20:41 <PovAddict> jasong: the graphical app I use the most is... Konsole

20:41 <jasong> Why do they suck :)

20:41 <jasong> What does Konsole do?  Is that different version of a bash prompt?

20:42 <jasong> brb

20:42 <PovAddict> it's a graphical app that shows a terminal inside :P

20:42 <PovAddict> like xterm and many others

20:43 <jasong> hmmmm, sorry to be dense, but what is it mostly used for?  Maintaining the computer in a better way than just a console?

20:44 <Tank_Master> giving pov something to do

20:44 <PovAddict> it's the only way to use the command line if you *also* use a GUI

20:44 <PovAddict> otherwise you'd have to go to a direct tty (the full-screen blackness with text)

20:45 <jasong> oh,  okay, I was assuming it was more special than mine.  I have the same thing, it's just referred to differently, and might not be the exacct same program

20:45 <PovAddict> there are dozens of those

20:45 <PovAddict> GNOME Terminal?

20:45 <jasong> probably

20:45 <jasong> My brain doesn't work like other people's, so sometimes I misinterpret stuff

20:46 <jasong> A perfect example is the fact that I hate it when people(especially politicians) call the US government a democracy

20:47 <xcamel> any terminal or console scree will run it

20:47 <jasong> The US government isn't a democracy, and God-willing, will never become one

20:47 <FreeLarry> always thought was republic

20:47 <jasong> lol., shutting up again

20:47 <jasong> yes

20:47 <jasong> Constitutional Republic

20:47 <xcamel> representative republic

20:48 <jasong> democracies are a form of governmental suicide

20:48 <jasong> Well, the constititution is the law of the land, but below that it allows representatives to be elected

20:48 <FreeLarry> which is where democracy plays

20:49 <xcamel> you're watching a socialist oligarchy form right in front of your eyes.

20:49 <FreeLarry> representative then do the repulic part

20:49 <jasong> I'm not an expert, but I live in Arkansas, so people call me smart.  Personally, I think it's all relative

20:49 <jasong> I'll have to look up oligarchy, but I agree with the other word

20:50 <xcamel> Arkansas, relative best not used in same sentence...

20:50 <jasong> lol

20:50 <FreeLarry> from this ex iowan - will not pass on what arkansas was refered to

20:50 <xcamel> O'Bummer.

20:50 <jasong> I've decided it's more important to be happy, than rich, which is why I love the state of Arkansas

20:50 <xcamel> AR-Kansas

20:51 * jasong fetches his shotgun

20:51 <jasong> Arkansaw

20:51 <FreeLarry> lol - don't get to close to the still - the tractor will get jealous

20:52 <xcamel> and to think they gave us clintoon

20:52 * FreeLarry moonshine = tractor fuel additive

20:52 <twoguns2670> economy is really bad here

20:52 <xcamel> where?

20:52 <twoguns2670> and no one is paying their bills

20:52 <twoguns2670> chicago

20:53 <xcamel> dems run everything into the ground...

20:53 * FreeLarry a quick look at checkbook - my daily balance now at -350

20:53 <twoguns2670> local government works well

20:53 <FreeLarry> not what the bank says but my working balance

20:54 <twoguns2670> tate and beyond sucks

20:54 <MTughan> Not sure how we're doing, but I hear we're weathering the recession better than the US.

20:54 <xcamel> sure, TG - if you like living in Moscow..

20:54 <FreeLarry> don't you believe it - local govt here taking far more than they should and still have alt. tax man (state patrol) trying to get more

20:54 <twoguns2670> which country?

20:54 <Romulus> Rumor has it which country is killing itself? the one with all the guns, twoguns2670

20:55 <MTughan> If you can stand the cold... Canada.

20:55 <twoguns2670> oh yea more tickets

20:55 <xcamel> but the women are warm...

20:55 <MTughan> So are the computers. :P

20:55 <FreeLarry> and they pushing lots more Zero Tolerance policies on the patrol

20:55 <MTughan> -9C/15F outside now.

20:56 <FreeLarry> &wx 98366

20:56 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Temperature: 48.1F / 8.9C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers likely. Lows near 40. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Showers. Highs in the 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Wednesday Night - Showers. Lows in the 30s to lower 40s. Southeast wind near 10 mph.;

20:56 <MTughan> &wx YOW

20:56 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 16°F / -9°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.40in / 1029hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM EST; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind west 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low -9C(15F).; Wednesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High 0C(32F). UV index 3 or moderate. Wednesday night increasing cloudiness. Periods (1 more message)

20:56 <MTughan> &more

20:56 <Romulus> MTughan: of snow beginning in the evening. Amount 2 to 4 cm(0.8 to 1.6 in). Low -3C(26F).; Thursday - Cloudy with 70 percent chance of flurries. High 3C(37F).;

20:57 <MTughan> Makes for relatively good overclocking at least.

20:57 <FreeLarry> brr - they talking maybe a little mixed storms in lowlands a few days hence here

20:57 <FreeLarry> hope they Maaddddd in the head for that forecast

20:58 <xcamel> the chicago way... if you can't kill it, tax and regulate it to death.

20:58 <FreeLarry> mountains getting what looks like close to 2 foot of snow during next 2 days

20:58 <FreeLarry> whos talking chicago = Washington State

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20:59 * xcamel waits for the stupid comet to get high enough to see...

20:59 <MTughan> 'lo TM

20:59 <FreeLarry> ahh is there another comet due?

20:59 <twoguns2670> oh anyone have sstellarium?

21:00 <twoguns2670> pretty cool program

21:00 <xcamel> tonight - just blow LEO, and just right of saturn

21:00 <FreeLarry> long time ago had program but machine long gone

21:00 <xcamel> use kstars

21:00 <xcamel> 'comet Lulin'

21:00 <FreeLarry> just now getting dusk

21:01 <twoguns2670> i see saturn, no comet :(

21:01 <twoguns2670> city lights

21:02 * FreeLarry wonders if shooting out street light in his yard would help seeing the stars

21:02 <xcamel> you need a dark spot, or binocs

21:02 <xcamel> it has 2 green tails

21:03 <FreeLarry> with overcast skies doesn't matter here

21:03 <xcamel> you can see it through march 4th

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21:03 <FreeLarry> humm maybe have one clear night by then

21:03 <FreeLarry> but doubt it as is seattle area

21:05 <twoguns2670> hmmmm

21:05 <twoguns2670> i went whale watching in seattle

21:05 <FreeLarry> i see mayor of seattle all indignant as didn't get his wish list for stimulas package

21:06 <xcamel> King-Of-Corruption county

21:06 <twoguns2670> i think it is all going to fail

21:06 <FreeLarry> state designated 75 million for 35 road projects statewide none in seattle and seattle wanted 80 million for two projects

21:06 <FreeLarry> got that right x

21:06 <xcamel> shovel ready -- onle large pile of donkey-doo.

21:07 <FreeLarry> almost makes chicago look like small timers

21:08 <FreeLarry> and before i upset 2guns - i enjoyed my time around chicago when i went to bootcamp at greatlakes

21:08 <twoguns2670> ah

21:09 <FreeLarry> only 300 miles from where i grew up

21:09 <twoguns2670> they closed our other bases

21:09 <FreeLarry> huh glakes isn't there anymore?

21:09 <twoguns2670> they made great lakes bigger

21:09 <FreeLarry> bootcamp oneside and school command the other

21:10 <twoguns2670> ww2 the navys other training bases had germans sinking training ships

21:10 * FreeLarry is banging head to see if he can remember anything from past life

21:10 <twoguns2670> thus the love for great lakes

21:11 <FreeLarry> it did have a nice beach area that was never really talked about

21:11 <FreeLarry> but boy is the water cold in january

21:13 <twoguns2670> glenview ohara and fort sheridan were closed down

21:13 <twoguns2670> rantool too

21:14 <twoguns2670> so we lost 4 bases

21:14 <xcamel> ok.. it's pretty dim, but I found it.

21:14 <FreeLarry> ummm sounds more like the army, marines and airforce

21:14 <jasong> How much money could I get for a 2-core Turion(not sure what speed) with 3 gig of RAM and a 100 Gig or so hard drive?  since most people are scared of Linux(especially in Arkansas) I can offer them a code that's never been used and give them a free install of XP.  Although, they might think they own an illegal copy since I'd give them a legal code, but a copy of Windows XP(not cracked) on a dvd-r

21:14 <xcamel> just right of saturn

21:15 <MTughan> jasong: Laptop?

21:15 <jasong> yeah, sorry, forgot that part

21:15 <MTughan> I guess based on the Turion name. :P

21:15 <FreeLarry> screen size?

21:15 <jasong> I think 15.4, I'm not good at judging by looking at stuff

21:15 <MTughan> You should put a distro with KDE 4.2 on it and say it's got Win7. xD

21:15 <jasong> inces

21:15 <jasong> +h

21:16 <jasong> lol

21:16 * FreeLarry just paid 200 for dell latitude d600 w/ xp pro and 30 gig hd 512 meg memory

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21:16 <MTughan> ZDNet Australia actually tried doing that, and people believed it!

21:16 <FreeLarry> so due to more memory and larger hd would probably go maybe 250

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21:17 <jasong> Well, while it would be illegal, somebody could come up with a fake splash screen that says it's Windows 7

21:17 * FreeLarry cant remember where turon comes in with 1.4 centrinos and pentium m's

21:17 <jasong> (Well, it would be illegal if they bought it for that reason.  If I did it on my laptop to screw with people, I'd probably be safe from the lawyers)

21:18 <twoguns2670> me too

21:18 <MTughan> Should be easy enough to modify a boot screen yeah. Ubuntu comes with a boot screen that covers the startup message, should be able to replace that.

21:18 <MTughan> Be a great trick, I should try that sometime... xD

21:19 <jasong> I want a fake screen that says my laptop was created by Cyberdyne Systems Inc.

21:19 <jasong> Or whatever the name is

21:19 <MTughan> In XP, you can put that information in the System Properties window.

21:19 <MTughan> Probably in Vista and Win7 too, but I haven't tried it recently.

21:19 <jasong> lol, fun

21:20 <FreeLarry> alright now i can restart molehill for windoze update - burp finally finished its wu

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21:21 <FreeLarry> if i didn't let burp finish it would lose all the processing time it had

21:21 <MTughan> jasong:

21:21 <Romulus> <> (at

21:21 <MTughan> All right, except for the image name. Should be Oemlogo.bmp .

21:22 <efc> moo

21:23 <twoguns2670> moo moo efc

21:28 <FreeLarry> omg - i don't believe it - the quad linux machine finally cracked the 5K rac for abc

21:30 <FreeLarry> that explains it it just completed one of the treasure hunt 1000 credit units

21:34 <jasong> Freelarry, how long did the workunit take?

21:38 <FreeLarry> it varies some only take one day others take two days had one less than 12 hrs - depends on which machine did the wu

21:39 <jasong> Does anyone here know wblipp?  (that's his name on Mersenne Forum)

21:39 <MTughan>

21:39 <Romulus> Title: CPU-Z Validator 3.0 (at

21:39 * FreeLarry wont even admit to knowing FreeLarry much less anyone else

21:40 <jasong> yoyo incorporated ecm into BOINC and I want someone who wasn't involved(I was the one who suggested it to yoyo) to see how he feels about having his project supported by boinc.

21:40 <jasong> I have a paranoid fear that he's mad at me about it

21:41 <PovAddict> why, you give him more CPU power

21:41 <FreeLarry> nice MTughan i think you'll like those cpu's got 2 here - would like to get my hands on your gpu's tho

21:41 <MTughan> BOINC has a hard time with it right now though...

21:41 <MTughan> I'm running 30 tasks through it again... :(

21:42 <FreeLarry> ooooo a bit of a load

21:42 <MTughan> Even though they're GPU apps, they're taking over a core in CPU time.

21:42 <FreeLarry> yup cpu still required by gpu's

21:42 <MTughan> About 31% according to Windows, one core is 25%.

21:43 <FreeLarry> ouch

21:44 <MTughan> About to have 20 of those tasks finish within a couple seconds of each other... :P

21:45 <FreeLarry> then isp crunch time

21:45 <FreeLarry> still occasionally get router overload from rectilinear if too many machines finish at same time

21:45 <MTughan> Heh.

21:46 <FreeLarry> especially if rectiliniear has a lot of short units

21:46 <MTughan> And now I can't get more MW WUs... :(

21:46 <FreeLarry> hit the limit?

21:47 <MTughan> I did before, of 48 tasks at once.

21:47 <MTughan> Crunched 30 of those at once, and had finished off some before. Had 6 tasks left, those just finished.

21:47 <FreeLarry> Maximum daily WU quota per CPU 5000/day

21:47 <FreeLarry> on my i7 machine

21:47 <MTughan> Yep, but you're only allowed 12 tasks/CPU at any one time.

21:48 <MTughan> For me, that's 48 tasks. For an i7, that'd be 96.

21:48 <MTughan> 2/24/2009 9:23:41 PM|Milkyway@home|Message from server: No work sent

21:48 <FreeLarry> this limit? Tasks 1

21:48 <MTughan> 2/24/2009 9:23:41 PM|Milkyway@home|Message from server: (reached per-CPU limit of 12 tasks)

21:48 <FreeLarry> ahh

21:49 <MTughan> I'm allowed 20,000 tasks a day, yeah. But at any one time, I can only have 48.

21:49 <FreeLarry> haven't reached that limit ever here

21:49 <FreeLarry> only on burp which limits to 2 per cpu

21:49 <MTughan> With an i7, it'd be 96, because BOINC sees 8 cores.

21:49 <MTughan> Got 3, finally..

21:50 <PovAddict> everything sooooooo true

21:50 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Everything's amazing, nobody's happy (at

21:50 * FreeLarry humm 8 times 12 += 96 to bad cant support that many gpus - or even afford them

21:50 <MTughan> And another 45... Okay, I'm maxed again. :)

21:51 <FreeLarry> srry PovAddict don't have sound hooked up to this machine

21:52 <FreeLarry> i thought a 9400 card may support gpu but found out it didn't

21:52 <MTughan> CUDA or MW apps?

21:53 <FreeLarry> be a few more months before consider upgrading it

21:53 <FreeLarry> new machine says no cuda devices

21:53 <MTughan> I presume you have Nvidia drivers installed?

21:53 <FreeLarry> welll am a little slow - only what fedora10 installed initially

21:54 <xcamel> laterz..

21:54 <FreeLarry> its an msi board

21:54 <FreeLarry> later don

21:54 <FreeLarry> arrgggg jay

21:55 <MTughan> FreeLarry: Looks like the 9400GT support it, the lowest 9xxx series card that does.

21:55 * FreeLarry goes to bang head on wall to try and get thoughts back in order

21:55 <MTughan> What card do you have?

21:55 <FreeLarry> thats what iit is guess i need to yum update to get drivers then

21:55 <FreeLarry> msi 9400gt

21:56 <FreeLarry> ns

21:56 <MTughan> I think you'll need drivers from Nvidia, but however it works, it should be supported.

21:56 <FreeLarry> yeah will look later

21:57 * FreeLarry lets see have to search for name then yum install whatever

21:57 <MTughan> bbl, getting some food.

21:57 * FreeLarry or is yum search nvidia

21:57 <FreeLarry> tc MTughan

22:00 <FreeLarry> dang forgot need to change to root before doing

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22:17 <PovAddict> "A woman has the last word in any argument. Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument."

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22:29 <PovAddict> "If you can’t beat them, arrange to have them beaten."

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22:33 <PovAddict> "Hurricanes are like women - when they come, they’re wet and wild, and when they leave they take your house and car."

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23:17 <MTughan> "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle. Just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes."

23:46 <ELGono> moo

23:46 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

23:46 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 5:20 AM CET; Unknown. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.;

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