IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-02-25

00:38 <FreeLarry> what is pan0 and vibro0 when talking ethernet devices

00:38 <FreeLarry> virbr0 i meant

00:38 <MTughan> No idea. I've heard of en* and lo.

00:39 <MTughan> Although I think I've seen virbr0 before. One sec.

00:39 * FreeLarry still trying to get my wireless nic card to initialize

00:40 <MTughan> Apparently virbr0 is related to virtual machines, Xen is mentioned specifically.

00:41 <FreeLarry> yes i see used as a bridge network

00:41 <MTughan> And it looks like pan0 may be related to BlueTooth networking.

00:42 <MTughan> A wireless card would either be recognized as an en* or a wlan*.

00:45 <FreeLarry> yeah i see nothing showing the card there ;( pci 32 bit pci 2.3  interface

00:45 <MTughan> What card is it?

00:45 <FreeLarry> encore enlwi-n

00:45 <MTughan> For example, my Intel WiFi Link 5100 is only supported in kernel 2.6.27 or later.

00:45 <FreeLarry> cant even tell what chipset

00:46 <MTughan> You know that Encore has a Linux driver on their site?

00:46 <MTughan> http://www.encore-usa.com/product_download.php?region=us&bid=3&pgid=83_11&pid=285

00:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2kysmq> (at www.encore-usa.com)

00:48 <FreeLarry> haven't found one yet

00:48 <FreeLarry> box only states various windows

00:48 <MTughan> Go to that link, they have a driver labelled for Linux.

00:49 <FreeLarry> tried yum search and didn't get anything for encore

00:49 <FreeLarry> will try

00:49 <MTughan> Hmm, not quite the right page... Get it in the drop-down, click Download.

00:49 <MTughan> Right link: http://www.encore-usa.com/product_download.php?region=us&bid=3&pgid=83_11&pid=269

00:49 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bojwu8> (at www.encore-usa.com)

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00:53 <MTughan> Found another page that said to use the RT2860 driver on here: http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html

00:53 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yfc8gx> (at www.ralinktech.com)

00:53 <MTughan> I guess that's the internal chipset.

00:54 <FreeLarry> yeah found it and dl'ed will search for Ralink RT2860 which card supposed to use

00:55 <FreeLarry> not sure what the heck i'm supposed to do with all those files in the zip file

00:55 <MTughan> Found instructions from someone else with the same chipset too: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5062485&postcount=36

00:55 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/alnzxk> (at ubuntuforums.org)

00:55 <FreeLarry> oopppff got to run

00:55 <MTughan> Bye.

01:01 <FreeLarry> srry something i eet not agreeing bbl

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02:08 <jasong> http://www.theinquirer.net/img/11597/bigheadbroon.jpg

02:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cpln29> (at www.theinquirer.net)

02:09 <jasong> I didn't realize people this ugly could make it into public office

02:12 <FreeLarry> MTughan biggest confusion i have with these readme and linux is where should i start from = root directory or from home/whoever/whereever i set directory for dl

02:13 <FreeLarry> jasong you shouldn't talk about your uncle like that ;0

02:13 <FreeLarry> oops that was a mirror i was looking at

02:19 <Tank-Master> http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/lulin/22feb09/Phillip-Jones2_strip.jpg

02:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/azdxf4> (at www.spaceweather.com)

02:19 <FreeLarry> example i dl'ed to one folder but readme first line is $tar -xvzf name of folder extracted from zip file.tgz

02:20 <FreeLarry> does that make a tar file in same folder of somewhere else?

02:20 <FreeLarry> looks like other files already set for rest of notes before i do that

02:25 * FreeLarry arg me 'ead is splitting - to much reading and not enough understanding

03:07 <Tank-Master> wee!!! new day is born!!

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03:55 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 30.7F / -0.7C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; (1 more message)

03:56 <CoderForLife> &more

03:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Mild with highs in the lower 60s. South winds around 10 mph... increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.;

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04:12 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:13 <Tank-Master> hf

04:20 <CoderForLife> b w/b

05:03 <CoderForLife> time to hit the shower - bbiab

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05:15 <clusty> moin

05:21 <Tank-Master> evening

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06:10 <Soul_keeper> hmmmm

06:10 <Soul_keeper> never thought it would be so difficult to round a number up to the nearest whole number

06:14 <Soul_keeper> i want this equivalent for C      perl: ceil($num4);

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06:23 <Soul_keeper> ok nm guess i just waisted a few hours

06:23 <Soul_keeper> there is a ceil ...

06:34 <Soul_keeper> Ha i win !!!

06:37 <hawmps> 'mornin

06:39 <Soul_keeper> hey

06:39 <Soul_keeper> The Number: 1244145123.191912

06:39 <Soul_keeper> The Number Rounded Up: 1244145124.000000

06:39 <Soul_keeper> psuedo accurate or whatever, but according to people on google this is normal

06:40 <Soul_keeper> it just rounds it up regardless

06:42 <ELGono> lo SK & jay

06:42 <ELGono> SK ... you need to write some lines

06:43 <Soul_keeper> that's right

06:43 <ELGono> double Round(double Zahl, unsigned int Stellen)

06:43 <ELGono> {

06:43 <ELGono>     Zahl *= pow(10, Stellen);

06:43 <ELGono>     if (Zahl >= 0)

06:43 <ELGono>         floor(Zahl + 0.5)

06:43 <ELGono>     else

06:43 <ELGono>         ceil(Zahl - 0.5);

06:43 <ELGono>     Zahl /= pow(10, Stellen);

06:43 <ELGono>     return Zahl;

06:43 <ELGono> }

06:44 <Soul_keeper> i'll save that

06:44 <Soul_keeper> but for my purposes now ceil alone will work

06:45 <Soul_keeper> thanks, those * and / operators are another thing i need to look at

06:46 <hawmps> wonder if anyone is going to build 6.6.10 or 11 for linux any time soon...

06:47 <Soul_keeper> well if the source exists maybe you should try it

06:48 <Soul_keeper> they seem to have a windows preference, makes me wonder how portable the code really is

06:50 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/PoorText.jpg

06:50 <Soul_keeper> for one they need to fix their text on linux ...

06:50 <Soul_keeper> been like that for over 2yrs accross versions for me

06:53 <hawmps> problem is I never seem to get the right source branch

06:53 <Soul_keeper> which branch do you want ?

06:53 <Soul_keeper> 6.10 ?

06:55 <Soul_keeper> svn co http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/tags/boinc_core_release_6_6_11                 will get you the 6.6.11 source

06:55 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/akafhk> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

06:55 <hawmps> cvs, not svn

06:57 <Soul_keeper> didn't know they had a cvs

06:58 <hawmps> ah.. I did install svn

06:58 <hawmps> go figure

07:11 <hawmps> build fails miserably

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07:40 <Soul_keeper> hmmm it appears my program is designed to print segfault

07:41 <Soul_keeper> does it really good over and over

08:13 <Soul_keeper> ok line by line, and the code will grow to envelope us all !!

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08:28 <PovAdct_w> wtf

08:28 <PovAdct_w> 6 windows updates to install

08:28 <PovAdct_w> I click install, and a few seconds later it said "these updates couldn't be installed" and *all six* are in the list

08:29 <PovAdct_w> yet Windows insists I must now reboot!

08:29 <PovAdct_w> what for? nothing was installed!

08:37 <PovAdct_w> ELGono: what is that code for? isn't there a round() in the standard library?

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08:58 <ELGono> that one is rounding with given number of decimal places

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08:58 <yoyo[work]> &wx sxf

08:58 <Romulus> yoyo[!@#&]: Temperature: 41°F / 5°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 2:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.;

09:00 <desti> http://blog.laptopmag.com/one-third-of-dell-inspiron-mini-9s-sold-run-linux

09:00 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d6akdu> (at blog.laptopmag.com)

09:00 <PovAdct_w> round(a*10.0)/10.0

09:01 <PovAdct_w> and Soul_keeper wanted to get a whole number anyway

09:01 <Soul_keeper> i got it :)

09:01 <ELGono> well yea, had this bookmarked, cause i needed it few years ago

09:01 <Soul_keeper> moved on to other pesky issues

09:02 <Soul_keeper> apparently i wrote 350 lines of code last night, without stopping to see if any line worked

09:02 <Soul_keeper> gotta follow it thru line by line checking

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09:22 <Soul_keeper> excellent :)

09:30 <hawmps> BOINC World position based on credit:  369 out of 1,618,795

09:31 <wdsmia_w> BOINC World position based on credit (based on incremental update) 170 out of 1,618,795

09:31 <Soul_keeper> gettum hawmps gettum !!

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09:32 <jackygrahamez> hi

09:32 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

09:32 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 35.6F / 2.0C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 30.31in / 1026.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the (1 more message)

09:32 <jackygrahamez> &,pre

09:32 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Are you daft?

09:33 <jackygrahamez> ahh

09:33 <jackygrahamez> &more

09:33 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: upper 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

09:33 <jackygrahamez> Bonjour

09:34 <jackygrahamez> Hi KathrynM

09:34 <hawmps> 'lo

09:38 <jackygrahamez> hi @hawmps

09:38 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

09:38 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 43.9F / 6.6C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 10.0mph / 16.1km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. High in the mid 50s. West wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the north in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy until early morning...then cloudy with a 40 percent chance of rain and freezing rain early (1 more message)

09:38 <wdsmia_w> &more

09:38 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: in the morning. Low in the upper 20s. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Rain likely and isolated thunderstorms in the morning... then rain and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Colder. High in the mid 30s. East wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.;

09:39 <jackygrahamez> anyone going to drupalcon

09:39 <jackygrahamez> ?

09:43 <PovAdct_w> meh @ drupal

09:46 <PovAdct_w> "We're no longer living in a capitalistic world - we're living in a shareholderistic world, as it seems...

09:46 <PovAdct_w> "

09:47 <jackygrahamez> finally those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes, ay comrad?

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11:16 <hawmps> Marx: The last capitalist will be hung with the rope made in his own factory.

11:23 <hawmps> India is doing the right thing, the US is headed for a great black hole.

11:31 <ELGono> hehe marx is quite popular these days ;)

11:31 <ELGono> a manga version of "das Kapital" is in top10 of bookselling in japan

11:35 <jackygrahamez> Hmm I'm thinking about becoming a capitalist :-)

11:35 <ELGono> my dad made a degree in politics & scientific history at lomonossov university in moscow... maybe there will be a renaissance for this kind of degrees ;)

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12:20 <Soul_keeper> i'm lost

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12:52 <MTughan> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/02/naked-corporate-fud-wrestling-intel-nvidia-hit-the-pit.ars

12:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bf64bd> (at arstechnica.com)

12:53 <MTughan> Apparently, Intel made a document saying why you shouldn't build a platform based on Atom and Ion.

12:58 <hawmps> spork >> 121.22.24.61 library attack

12:59 <MTughan> w00t, 44K yesterday... Soul_keeper: I'm coming up. :)

12:59 <Soul_keeper> yeah, you trying to make me upgrade that chart or something ?

12:59 <wdsmia_w> 197,715 yesterday :)

13:00 <MTughan> You may have to up its range. xD

13:01 <MTughan> wdsmia_w: How many computers?

13:02 <wdsmia_w> a few

13:02 <MTughan> I have three.

13:03 <wdsmia_w> many of mine are old and slow

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13:10 <wdsmia_w> I keep meaning to retire the old p4's but somehow I never get around to it

13:10 <MTughan> Heh. Running any GPU apps on them?

13:10 <MTughan> Apparently, with HT, P4s are good for running one project with a GPU app on top.

13:11 <wdsmia_w> send me $3000 and Ill think about adding GPU's to them ;)

13:12 <MTughan> lol

13:12 <MTughan> You think that I'd help you beat the snot out of me more? xD

13:12 <MTughan> Besides, I'm about $500 in debt to my grandmother for this thing already.

13:13 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

13:13 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.35in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 7km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F.; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.;

13:15 <wdsmia_w> Hmmm if I did add GPU's I could pull about 800K to 1M a day

13:15 <MTughan> My quad pulled in about 40K yesterday according to BOINCStats. I think it can be higher, and I'm running ABC on the CPU. It hasn't gotten to full effect yet.

13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

13:15 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 6:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.;

13:16 <yoyo[RKN]> rehi

13:16 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

13:16 <MTughan> I haven't had a chance to work on ecm in the past two days, but I'm going to try and get some more work done later today.

13:17 <yoyo[RKN]> no stress

13:17 * yoyo[RKN] must check if stress is an engl. word

13:17 <MTughan> Still trying to get all the BOINC libraries compiled too...

13:17 <MTughan> You mean if it's based in English? Because it is an English word.

13:18 <yoyo[RKN]> if the german Stress is the same as the english stress

13:18 <MTughan> Ah.

13:19 <ELGono> yoyo it is ;)

13:19 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

13:19 <yoyo[RKN]> http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=on&chinese=both&pinyin=diacritic&search=stress&relink=on

13:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b6gusy> (at dict.leo.org)

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13:35 <FreeLarry> From last night - MTughan biggest confusion i have with these readme and linux is where should i start from = root directory or from home/whoever/whereever i set directory for dl

13:36 <FreeLarry> or other linux guru

13:36 <FreeLarry> with time on hands that is

13:36 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan : you need only the boinc API

13:38 * FreeLarry with 3x+1 going inactive most of my hosts show negative progress from yesterday

13:41 <FreeLarry> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_stats.php?pr=bo&st=0&userid=67ee388bb16322bf096b018c7850da7a

13:41 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/9qcjsa> (at boincstats.com)

13:49 <yoyo[RKN]> maybe it will be continue

13:50 * yoyo[RKN] heard some rumours

13:51 <FreeLarry> true - at least host showing negative don't affect the combined total - so no drop in overall - just host standings

13:53 <FreeLarry> i see by the clock on the wall - time for local news - more bickering about money that isn't there and weather - rain - and road travel times

13:53 * FreeLarry humm not a bad summery of typical news cast

13:56 <ELGono> some other news today....

13:57 <ELGono> airplane crash in amsterdam and iran finished first nuclear power reactor with help of russia

14:01 <MTughan> FreeLarry: Ah, that's the one. I saw the negative totals, but couldn't figure out what project it was.

14:22 <MTughan> O_O http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/40036922.html

14:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bhu67l> (at www.jsonline.com)

14:23 <MTughan> Off to class...

14:23 <Tank-Master> hf

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14:40 <MTughan_> <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan : you need only the boinc API

14:41 <MTughan_> And libgmp. The problem I ran into before was a linker error, seems to be OS X specific.

14:41 <MTughan_> That, and I still can't compile the whole of the BOINC API.

14:44 <yoyo[RKN]> aha

14:46 <MTughan_> Seems to just be configuring issues though. For PowerPC, a #define in config.h is put in, even though it shouldn't, and for x86_64, it seems to try and compile libboinc_graphics. Don't know how to disable that.

14:46 <MTughan_> i686 worked the first time around.

14:47 <yoyo[RKN]> some strange boinc behaviour

14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> I cancelled some wus, but boinc cancelled also running wus with

14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> aborted by project - no longer usable

14:48 <MTughan_> Well, in the PowerPC example, it's because it uses AC_CHECK_HEADERS to check for existence, which doesn't play well with cross-compilers.

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14:54 <MTughan_> My wireless dropped... :(

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14:59 <MTughan_> Wireless dropped...

14:59 <MTughan_> Good, I can talk to Rommie, means I'm live.

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15:16 <MTughan_> Okay, hopefully this is more stable...

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15:23 <Soul_keeper> WTF

15:24 <MTughan_> What, your image?

15:24 <MTughan_> I'm literally off the chart. xD

15:25 <Soul_keeper> i need help

15:25 <Soul_keeper> i'm so damn angry, and my brain don't work anymore

15:25 <MTughan_> What's going on?

15:26 <Soul_keeper> trying to make this stupid string go in my int, not like i havn't done it 100 times but it still refuses

15:26 <MTughan_> You're trying to take an int from a string?

15:26 <Soul_keeper> yeah

15:27 <MTughan_> How are you doing it?

15:27 <Soul_keeper> nm

15:27 <Soul_keeper> i'll figure it out later

15:27 <MTughan_> atoi(char *) is probably what you'd use.

15:27 <Soul_keeper> yeah

15:28 <PovAddict> strtol

15:28 <MTughan_> It's C, right?

15:28 <Soul_keeper> using both those

15:28 <Soul_keeper> token = strtok(NULL, search);

15:28 <PovAddict> strtok = fail

15:28 <Soul_keeper> swapused = atoi(&token);

15:28 <Soul_keeper> swapused is an int

15:28 <PovAddict> refuses?

15:28 <PovAddict> it shows a popup saying "sorry dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"?

15:29 <Soul_keeper> well swapused just becomes  0     but if i printf token it's clearly not 0

15:29 <PovAddict> what is it?

15:29 <Romulus> Somebody said it is built dynamically, PovAddict

15:29 <PovAddict> shut the hell up Romulus

15:29 <Soul_keeper> it's a number

15:29 <PovAddict> what's the exact string you have in there?

15:30 <Soul_keeper> 373056

15:30 <PovAddict> join #geordi

15:31 <Soul_keeper> i'm not asking for help there ...

15:31 * jasong wonders if Romulus might accidentally be being helpful. Could something have been compiled incorrectly to be causing the error?

15:31 * jasong is guessing

15:31 <MTughan_> Not likely.

15:31 <jasong> okay

15:32 <PovAddict> oh I think I know what you're doing wrong

15:32 <PovAddict> token is a char*?

15:32 <PovAddict> you need atoi(token), not atoi(&token)

15:33 <Soul_keeper> neither one works

15:33 <MTughan_> Does token contain "373056"?

15:33 <MTughan_> After the strtok.

15:35 <Soul_keeper> hmmmm

15:35 <Soul_keeper> hold on

15:35 <Soul_keeper> appears it is working, the issue could be this line:

15:35 <Soul_keeper> downnum = ((swapused / 1024) / swaptotal2);

15:36 <PovAddict> what's the type of those three vars?

15:36 <Soul_keeper> printf("swapused: %d swaptotal2: %d downnum: %d\n", swapused, swaptotal2, downnum);                        is giving      swapused: 373056 swaptotal2: 10722 downnum: 0

15:36 <Soul_keeper> all ints

15:37 <Soul_keeper> downnum shouldn't be 0

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15:39 <MTughan_> Grr...

15:40 <Soul_keeper> i can't even see my code anymore, my eyes are bugging out

15:40 <Soul_keeper> guess that's what happens when you code for 14hrs straight

15:41 <ELGono> &coffee for Soul_keeper

15:41 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

15:41 <Soul_keeper> was just one final touch to a section ...

15:41 <Soul_keeper> i probably got a typo somewhere

15:41 <MTughan_> You pastebin the whole section of the code.

15:41 <MTughan_> You could*

15:42 <Soul_keeper> i'd have to clean it up first

15:42 <Soul_keeper> more commented out stuff than actual stuff ...

15:43 <ELGono> you shouldn't clean in your actual constitution ;)

15:50 <MTughan_> http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16477

15:50 <Romulus> Title: Nvidia responds to negative Intel PR - The Tech Report (at techreport.com)

15:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah intel is suing them

15:51 <Soul_keeper> they sue somebody ever few months ...

15:51 <MTughan_> Not yet.

15:51 <MTughan_> At least not over Ion.

15:51 <Soul_keeper> no they are suing over the i7 i believe

15:52 <Soul_keeper> saying nvidia can't make chipsets for it

15:52 <MTughan_> Yeah, Intel doesn't think their licensing agreement covers chipsets beyond the ones for LGA775.

15:52 <Soul_keeper> they are claiming that since the i7 has an integrated memory controller  the license is void

15:53 <MTughan_> That's right, that the issue. Just happens to coincide with LGA1366.

15:54 <jasong> Just because it's improved technology, it's suddenly outside the agreement?

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15:54 <jasong> That would have to be one hell of a clause,"You can only use our stuff if your stuff is guaranteed to suck in 3-5 years."

15:54 <MTughan_> I don't know. I think Nvidia has the better arguments overall, with regards to both chipsets and Ion.

15:55 <MTughan_> That Intel is desparate.

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16:16 <Soul_keeper> i figured out my problem

16:16 <Soul_keeper> 33 / 1024 = 0    instead of  .03

16:16 <MTughan> Integer divison.

16:16 <MTughan> Try 33 / 1024.0.

16:17 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'll have to use doubles i guess ...

16:21 <xcamel> re-hi

16:21 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

16:25 <xcamel> hey

16:27 <jasong> Where do you find uptime records in Ubuntu?

16:27 <jasong> Or do I need to add a module to get that?

16:28 <xcamel> >>  uptime

16:28 <jasong> Yeah, but what about old uptimes?

16:28 <MTughan> I don't know of any tool that records uptimes.

16:28 <jasong> okay

16:28 <xcamel> record is not retained.

16:29 <jasong> Well that sucks

16:29 <jasong> hmmmm, maybe it was in Fedora that I saw it

16:31 <xcamel> you could write a cron script to save the uptime output to a file

16:37 <CoderForLife> hey

16:37 <MTughan> 'lo Don

16:38 <CoderForLife> home for a short while, then out for a business dinner

16:38 <CoderForLife> hey Michael

16:38 <CoderForLife> just wanted to jump in in case you all missed me =P

16:38 <xcamel> ohhh.. roast beast and cold potatoes...

16:39 <CoderForLife> I'm going here  http://jags.com/  =)

16:39 <Romulus> Title: Jag's Steak and Seafood | Homepage (at jags.com)

16:39 <CoderForLife> cya later

16:40 * CoderForLife waves

16:42 <Soul_keeper> lol you gotta be kiddin' me

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16:42 <Soul_keeper> so i didn't include stdlib at the top, probably spent hours thinking i was deficient

16:42 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/lsnet/test.jpg

16:42 <Soul_keeper> C !

16:44 <MTughan> WTF? A printer driver installer wants to quit all open applications to install... F*cker.

16:45 <Soul_keeper> well then MS will probably want you to call them ...

16:45 <MTughan> Apple. It's for OS X.

16:45 <Soul_keeper> gotta verify your 64 digit license code or something fun

16:46 <MTughan> At least it didn't want a restart. That would've just been ridiculous.

16:48 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/boincrace/test2.png    lol MTughan  you killed that chart

16:50 <MTughan> That's what I was saying. :P

16:52 <FreeLarry> what were you racing on Soul_keeper

16:52 <FreeLarry> project that is

16:52 <Soul_keeper> couple different ones now

16:52 <Soul_keeper> wcg slows me down tho, but i do it anyways

16:53 <FreeLarry> lol - don't have it on any machine here for some reason

16:54 <Soul_keeper> if i just ran optimized set solely i'd likely get a 50% boost in credits i bet

16:54 <Soul_keeper> seti

16:54 <FreeLarry> dang vista machine - trying to get last months updates installed and it keeps crashing out - hope it doesnt corrupt itself again

16:56 <Soul_keeper> i think i'm gonna fall asleep for a little while, gotta work up some more coding energy

16:56 <FreeLarry> &nn Soul_keeper

16:56 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

17:06 <xcamel> &wx 12074

17:06 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 31.2F / -0.4C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.44in / 1030.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear this evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow showers...freezing rain and sleet after midnight. Lows in the lower 20s. South winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; Thursday - Mostly (1 more message)

17:06 <xcamel> &more

17:06 <Romulus> xcamel: cloudy. A chance of freezing rain...snow showers and sleet in the morning. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Not as cool with lows in the mid 30s. Temperature rising into the upper 30s after midnight. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

17:13 <xcamel> that could be a challenge tomorrow AM

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17:18 <xcamel> MTughan has conectile dysfunction

17:18 <MTughan> VirtualBox driver installation.

17:19 <MTughan> It warned me that would happen.

17:24 <xcamel> is that like surreal estate?

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17:33 <zombie67> here's a Q for ya:

17:33 <zombie67> SETI has a project that will run as CPU or CPU

17:34 <zombie67> occasionally, I see that BOINC decided to d/l tasks for the CPU, in addition to tasks for the GPU

17:34 <zombie67> they will both run at the same time

17:35 <zombie67> How do I set up an app_info.xml file to tell it "IF you run a CPU task, use the opt app, but if you run a GPU task, don't use the opt app"?

17:55 <MTughan> Can anyone get to http://boincstats.com ?

17:55 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager - Detailed user, host, team and country statistics with charts for BOINC. (at boincstats.com)

17:55 <MTughan> Hmm, Rommie can...

17:57 <MTughan> Flushed DNS cache, good now.

17:58 <zombie67> ding!  my Atom hardware arrived!

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18:04 <xcamel> ...sound of cache flushing....

18:06 <ELGono> rehi dudes

18:10 <xcamel> guten tag (nacht)

18:10 <ELGono> midnight here

18:11 <ELGono> heidi just throw me out of bed ... can't sleep since 2h

18:11 <ELGono> time for a bit nerding and some tea

18:17 <jasong> What's the command to calculate Unix time for this very moment?

18:17 <xcamel> ok guten morgen

18:17 <xcamel> 'now'

18:18 <jasong> Oh, wow, good mnemonic

18:18 <jasong> thanks

18:19 <jasong> hmmm, doesn't seem to be present in my ubuntu install, I'll check to see if it's installable

18:20 <ELGono> hmm not on irix as well

18:24 <ELGono> jasong : but u missed 1234567890

18:24 <ELGono> that timestamp was 14.02.2009  0:31:30

18:26 <xcamel> 'clock' will get it usually

18:36 <ELGono> elgono@g094:~$ clock

18:36 <ELGono> elgono@g094:~$

18:36 <ELGono> thats interesting ;)

18:40 <xcamel> brain damaged system

18:43 <ELGono> clock is weird ;)

18:43 <ELGono> times work

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19:12 <jasong> Okay, the idiot(me) is back and has a question.  I'm having trouble updating Ubuntu and have a SWAG that if I temporarily switch to a different repository, delete the old package update stuff, and re-update I MIGHT be able to get the upgrade to go through.  Failing that, I intend to try a foreign repository after using the install cd, since it's a brand new install.  Unless you think it's a bad idea, could someone help me switch repositories?

19:13 <jasong> I'm about to leave to go to a Bible study, but I'll check back here when I get back.  (Last time I went, I didn't get home until midnight, so don't feel like you're being ignored :) )

19:14 <xcamel> have fun..

19:23 <zombie67> Dangit! It requires a 2.5" HD. I missed that. More delays. GRRR.

19:23 <ELGono> damn still no sight on stars tonight

19:23 <ELGono> think i saw lulin yesterday

19:23 <xcamel> I got to see it..

19:24 <xcamel> not very impressive..

19:24 <ELGono> not with naked eye, indeed

19:24 <xcamel> even with my really good binocs

19:25 <ELGono> but a watched iss yesterday by chance

19:25 <ELGono> didn't expect it ...

19:25 <ELGono> just before sunrise

19:26 <ELGono> Zombie : laptop with atom or just a board?

19:29 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 45.1F / 7.3C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of light rain after midnight. Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of light rain showers and light freezing rain late in the night. Low in the lower (2 more messages)

19:29 <wdsmia> &more

19:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: 30s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Thursday - Colder. Rain and thunderstorms likely in the morning... then rain and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 30s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A (1 more message)

19:29 <wdsmia> &more

19:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: chance of light freezing rain and light snow early in the evening...then a slight chance of light rain and light freezing rain late in the evening. Colder. Low 15 to 20. North wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.;

19:29 <ELGono> lo doug

19:29 <xcamel> hmmm.. warmed up..

19:29 <wdsmia> *lo Gono

19:30 <xcamel> we may hit 50 tomorrow

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19:33 <wdsmia> sure was nice today

19:37 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

19:37 <wdsmia> *lo J-man

19:37 <xcamel> we'll see if 6.6.11 builds on this box..

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19:42 <MTughan> "Microsoft respects and appreciates the important role that open-source software plays in our industry and we respect and appreciate the passion and the great contribution that open-source developers make in our industry."

19:42 <xcamel> damn the svn is slow

19:42 <MTughan> How loud can we say BULL-SH*T?

19:43 <MTughan> http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/02/has-microsofts-patent-war-against-linux.html

19:43 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b4dlbw> (at opendotdotdot.blogspot.com)

19:44 <wdsmia> they said industry not product

19:45 <wdsmia> MS is not above stealing open source ideas and claming them for there own

19:49 <ELGono> well off to bed again

19:49 <ELGono> have some phun out there

19:49 <wdsmia> &nn Gono

19:49 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

19:54 <xcamel> bbiab

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20:01 <MTughan> 'lo e

20:01 <efc> moo

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20:03 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

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20:08 <xcamel> http://www.livescience.com/history/090225-ice-age-camels.html

20:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ame725> (at www.livescience.com)

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20:19 <xcamel> I'll be amused if this works

20:20 * wdsmia will be amused if it dont :P

20:21 <xcamel> the first dl of the svn broke my lvm

20:26 <xcamel> any particularly useful tags to use while building boinc lately?

20:26 <MTughan> For configure?

20:26 <xcamel> yup

20:26 <wdsmia> -DA but it never works

20:26 <MTughan> Not that I know of. I just focus on the ones relevant to building the APIs.

20:27 <MTughan> ./configure --help

20:27 <MTughan> Always a good source of configure flags. ;)

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20:30 <xcamel> i'll be damned...

20:30 <PovAddict> --disable-server

20:30 <xcamel> I got all those

20:30 <xcamel> ./configure --disable-server --enable-optimize --with-x

20:30 <xcamel> now... will it blend?

20:31 <xcamel> heck.. I haven't homebuilt this in 2 years..

20:31 <PovAddict> watch the configure log for errors finding wxWidgets

20:32 <xcamel> it  skipped the unicode - which is OK

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20:32 <PovAddict> not sure how it's now because Eric Korpela made changes recently, but last time I tried, if you don't have wxWidgets, it shows a warning and continues to compile the client without any GUI

20:32 <xcamel> I haveeeeeee wx just fine

20:32 <xcamel> poor keyboard

20:33 <PovAddict> having wx and boinc's script finding it are different things :D

20:33 <xcamel> it found it OK

20:33 <xcamel> never used to though

20:33 <PovAddict> heh

20:34 <xcamel> ooh.. errors in the wx libs

20:35 <xcamel> ./common/wxFNBDropTarget.h:36: error: invalid use of undefined type ‘struct wxDropTarget’

20:35 <PovAddict> ugh

20:35 <PovAddict> what version of boinc? (was it svn trunk?)

20:35 <PovAddict> what version of wxWidgets?

20:35 <xcamel> hold on.. could be my fault..

20:37 <xcamel> might be 2.8.0

20:37 <xcamel> searching the libs..

20:39 <xcamel> 2.6.4 is active

20:44 <xcamel> updating to 2.8.9.1

20:45 <xcamel> it has some strange deps

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20:47 <xcamel> 'lo tg

20:47 <twoguns2670> hey

20:47 <twoguns2670> do you burn things a lot?

20:48 <MTughan> We burn a lot of power.

20:48 <twoguns2670> indeed

20:48 <twoguns2670> i have a couple of disk to burn

20:49 <twoguns2670> i burned the first with few problems

20:49 <twoguns2670> the next one i am getting a lot of errors

20:49 <MTughan> Try lowering the burn speed.

20:50 <twoguns2670> ah how?

20:50 <MTughan> What OS?

20:50 <twoguns2670> windows xp professional

20:50 <xcamel> crap

20:50 <PovAddict> what burning software?

20:51 <twoguns2670> windows cd writing wizard'

20:53 <PovAddict> I don't think it lets you change the burning speed

20:53 <PovAddict> and if it lets you, it should be obvious... there isn't anything hidden, being a wizard

21:00 <xcamel> can I assume it's just wxGTK libs?

21:01 <twoguns2670> im cloning disk

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21:02 <twoguns2670> 611 mb

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21:03 <PovAddict> cloning?

21:03 <twoguns2670> yea

21:03 <zombie67> building Atom cruncher now.

21:03 <PovAddict> if you burned a disk and it has errors, you can't possibly use it as a source to make a good one!

21:03 <zombie67> installing XP64 as we speak

21:04 <PovAddict> you'd copy the errors

21:04 <twoguns2670> ah the origional has no errors

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21:05 <PovAddict> windows cd writing wizard doesn't have disc copying

21:05 <twoguns2670> you copy it to your hard drive

21:05 <twoguns2670> then back

21:06 <MTughan> You're just copying the files between discs?

21:06 <PovAddict> uh, what's the disc of?

21:07 <PovAddict> hope it's not a linux disc

21:07 <twoguns2670> no windows

21:07 <MTughan> It's a Windows disc?

21:07 <PovAddict> still bad

21:07 <PovAddict> it's an operating system installer

21:07 <twoguns2670> yea always

21:07 <PovAddict> if you copy all files off the disc, then burn them to a new disk, you won't be able to boot from it

21:08 <PovAddict> because you aren't copying the boot sector (which doesn't show up as a file)

21:08 <twoguns2670> no im not copying windows

21:09 <PovAddict> bootable CDs (like operating system install discs) have a boot sector...

21:09 <PovAddict> for the CD to boot

21:10 <PovAddict> you aren't being clear so let me ask again

21:10 <PovAddict> is the disc you're copying a Windows install disc?

21:10 <twoguns2670> no

21:10 <PovAddict> then what is it of?

21:10 <PovAddict> you said "windows" when I asked...

21:11 <twoguns2670> i ment that it runs on windows

21:11 <MTughan> That's not the same... What's on the disc?

21:12 <twoguns2670> pictures

21:12 <MTughan> Just pictures, it's not an installer for anything?

21:13 <PovAddict> ok then you have a plain old burn error

21:14 <twoguns2670> it ask me to save them and burn them again later

21:14 <xcamel> guess I'm going to have to work harder on those libs..

21:17 <twoguns2670> last thing i was burning it threw some back then they would burn again later, except two that had to be thrown out

21:20 <xcamel> nutz.. I installed 2.9 but it insists on trying to pull 2.6.4

21:23 <twoguns2670> whats that?

21:24 <MTughan> wxWidgets, used by BOINC for the GUI,.

21:24 <twoguns2670> ah

21:24 <twoguns2670> :)

21:40 <zombie67> ugh.  now all the windows updates and many reboots

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21:45 <twoguns2670> hmmmm

21:45 <twoguns2670> my new ones took about 125 updates

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22:14 <zombie67> 1st install was ie7 and a reboot

22:14 <zombie67> now installing 53 updates and will require a reboot

22:14 <zombie67> more to come I'm sure

22:18 <zombie67> ugh, the .NET update takes FOREVER to install

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22:37 <zombie67> 10 more with the third round

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23:04 <zombie67> that was all

23:05 <zombie67> 3 reboots and 64 updates in total

23:07 <zombie67> CPU benchmarks...Atom 330...658/1817

23:07 <zombie67> dual core w/ HT.  two cores, 4 threads

23:07 <MTughan> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/microsoft-sues-tomtom-over-fat-patents-in-linux-based-device.ars

23:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bary29> (at arstechnica.com)

23:08 <zombie67> oh sure....BAM is down now....dammit!

23:08 <MTughan> Two of the patents Microsoft is suing TomTom for are related to the FAT filesystem...

23:08 <MTughan> zombie67: I can get to bam.boincstats.com fine.

23:09 <zombie67> time to move to ZFS

23:09 <MTughan> Is ZFS done?

23:09 <zombie67> hah!!!

23:09 <zombie67> using 6.6.11

23:10 <zombie67> when you select attach to an AM, there are now three choices you can choose from (or type your own)

23:10 <zombie67> I selected BAM

23:10 <zombie67> it filled in http://boincstats.com/bam

23:10 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at boincstats.com)

23:10 <zombie67> doesn't work

23:11 <MTughan> But bam.boincstats.com does?

23:11 <zombie67> but typing in bam.boincstats.com/ works just fine

23:11 <MTughan> Heh.

23:11 <zombie67> hahahahah

23:11 <MTughan> Probably because if you go to bam.boincstats.com in a web browser, it redirects to boincstats.com/bam.

23:12 <zombie67> ZFS it prime time.  It is included in carrier grade solaris

23:12 <MTughan> Yeah, but no Linux or OS X support yet.

23:12 <MTughan> Apple has said OS X support will come in 10.6 server, don't know about desktop.

23:13 <MTughan> Only place I use FAT32 is for my flash drives for now anyway.

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23:13 <BadBarbarian> evening all

23:13 <MTughan> My internal drives use NTFS, HFS+, or ext3 depending on the installed OS.

23:13 <MTughan> Hi BB.

23:13 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86033

23:13 <zombie67> i take it back...

23:13 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 44F / 6.7C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 27 to 33. Southwest winds around 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. Highs 55 to 61. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in (1 more message)

23:13 <zombie67> BAM doesn't know my userid or passowrd

23:13 <BadBarbarian> &more

23:13 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: the afternoon.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 24 to 30. West winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light...then becoming west around 15 mph after midnight becoming light.;

23:13 <MTughan> zombie67: What happens if you try to log in online?

23:14 <BadBarbarian> hey Z man long time

23:14 <zombie67> works fine

23:14 <zombie67> hi BB!

23:14 <MTughan> Maybe AM support has been broken in 6.6.11?

23:15 <BadBarbarian> hey Z whats the latest seti optimizer for cpu & cuda ?

23:15 <MTughan> BadBarbarian: Microsoft filing suit against TomTom for patent infringement, two of which are related to FAT support in it.

23:15 <MTughan> Which is from the Linux kernel or related projets.

23:15 <MTughan> projects*

23:15 <zombie67> BB:  There is no optomizer for GPU

23:15 <BadBarbarian> no for windows 32bit

23:15 <BadBarbarian> yes there is for windows

23:16 <zombie67> and nothing internal to SETI.USA.  We all use the publoic ones

23:16 <BadBarbarian> using an older one that i had

23:16 <zombie67> BB, there is a CPU opt app, yes.  But no GPU opt app

23:16 <BadBarbarian> let me see if i can find the link

23:17 <zombie67> there would be no need for one

23:18 <zombie67> there are no legacy GPUs that need to be supported with a non-opt app

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23:50 <zombie67> http://www.mothershipathome.org/index.php

23:52 <MTughan> What about?

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