IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-03-02

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01:15 <XioNYC> &wx 10034

01:15 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 28.9F / -1.7C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Freezing Fog | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Snow developing this evening...heavy at times. Snow accumulation of 6 to 10 inches. Windy with lows in the mid 20s. North winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Monday - (2 more messages)

01:16 <XioNYC> &more

01:16 <Romulus> XioNYC: Snow in the morning...then snow likely in the afternoon. Snow may be heavy at times in the morning. Total snow accumulation of 8 to 12 inches. Windy. Near steady temperature in the mid 20s. North winds 20 to 30 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow showers. Windy and cold with lows around 14. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Wind (1 more message)

01:16 <XioNYC> &more

01:16 <Romulus> XioNYC: chill values as low as 1 below.; Winter Storm Warning for New York County in effect until 6:00 PM EST on March 02, 2009;

01:16 <XioNYC> &eightball Will I be able to cross-country ski down Broadway?

01:16 <Romulus> XioNYC: No clue.

01:17 <XioNYC> &eightball How about building an igloo on the great lawn in Central Park?

01:17 <Romulus> XioNYC: You know the answer better than I.

01:17 <XioNYC> &eightball Do you realize how uninformative you are?

01:17 <Romulus> XioNYC: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.

01:17 * XioNYC goes to sleep and hopes to see the snow piled high...

01:17 <XioNYC> &nn

01:17 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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06:33 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:57 <up365> Ok snowstorm part2 now, not the right time to dig out yet, another drink? Don't mind if I do...

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08:33 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

08:33 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 19.0F / -7.2C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.53in / 1033.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. High in the lower 30s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy until early morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Low 15 to 20. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. High in (1 more message)

08:33 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:33 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: the upper 30s. South wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.;

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11:42 <Soul_keeper> HEY ~

11:54 <MTughan> 'lo Soul_keeper

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13:04 <Soul_keeper> html frames are making me very angry here

13:05 <Soul_keeper> i delete something from my index.html  and tell it to use something else, and it still uses what i deleted

13:07 <ELGono> is there any way (maybe with app_info.xml) to get cuda and SSE3 appz at once?

13:08 <Soul_keeper> ELGono, should be

13:08 <Soul_keeper> fixed my problem was my pesky browser ..

13:08 <MTughan> Psion countersued Intel over the use of the netbook trademark, for $1.2 billion.

13:08 <Soul_keeper> nice

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13:15 <jackygrahamez> If I have a screensaver binary, is there a way to integrate that into the wrapper?

13:15 <jackygrahamez> No source

13:21 <yoyo[RKN]> what does the screensaver shows?

13:21 <yoyo[RKN]> btw: re

13:23 <jackygrahamez> hi yoyo

13:24 <jackygrahamez> it displays molecular structures

13:24 <jackygrahamez> its called Patmos

13:25 <jackygrahamez> http://development.oeffner.net/

13:26 <yoyo[RKN]> you must insert someething in the wrapper to say boinc that a grafik is available

13:29 <Soul_keeper> http://linuxsociety.org/   what you think ?

13:29 <Romulus> Title: LinuxSociety.org (at linuxsociety.org)

13:32 <Soul_keeper> mmm frames and file download counters :)

13:33 <Soul_keeper> lol i got projects that have been there for over a year, and only been downloaded fewer than 5 times ...

13:33 <Soul_keeper> amazing

13:35 <jackygrahamez> I'll have to find another solution then

13:35 <jackygrahamez> Looking for some opengl code for molecular modeling

13:35 <jackygrahamez> Pymol might work

13:39 <Soul_keeper> that's depressing, knowing that nobody gives a shit about me...

13:40 <jackygrahamez> ;-(

13:40 <jackygrahamez> what's going on?

13:49 <Soul_keeper> over a year and i've only had like 3 downloads

13:49 <Soul_keeper> that must mean i'm popular ...

13:49 <Soul_keeper> http://linuxsociety.org/    hmmm 1 download

13:49 <Romulus> Title: LinuxSociety.org (at linuxsociety.org)

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14:11 <hawmps> &wx 12020

14:11 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 19.5F / -6.9C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 8.0mph / 12.9km/h ; Rest of Today - Snow. Total snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Colder. Near steady temperature around 20. North winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance (1 more message)

14:11 <hawmps> &more

14:11 <Romulus> hawmps: of snow showers in the evening. Cold with lows around 8 above. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Cold with highs around 18. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.;

14:16 <hawmps> brb

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14:22 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:22 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 46°F / 8°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:51 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:50 F.; Clear. Low:33 F.; Chance of Rain. High:48 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F.;

14:25 <jasong> Who is Oscar Wilde?

14:25 <jasong> I'm guessing he's famous in the UK, but other than that I don't know a thing about him

14:25 <jasong> nm, Google

14:26 * jasong is an idiot, I wish I was 15 years younger so that I wouldn't continuously make the same mistake

14:27 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

14:27 <jasong> Wow, good looking dude

14:27 <jackygrahamez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde

14:27 <Romulus> Title: Oscar Wilde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

14:28 <Soul_keeper> Wilde, for much of his life, advocated socialism, which he argued "will be of value simply because it will lead to individualism."[7] He also had a strong libertarian streak as shown in his poem "Sonnet to Liberty" and, subsequently to reading the works of Peter Kropotkin....

14:28 <jasong> Yeah, that's what I found.  thanks, though :)

14:28 <Soul_keeper> victorian era socialist poet

14:29 <jackygrahamez> wait how do i redirect an error again ???

14:30 <jasong> Simple, you blame someone lower in the organization ;)

14:30 <jackygrahamez> you mean the scape goat?

14:30 <jasong> exactly

14:31 <Soul_keeper> correction: victorian era bisexual/homosexual socialist poet

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14:31 <Soul_keeper> no wonder the english love him

14:32 <jackygrahamez> redirect stderr and stdout

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14:33 <jasong> I'll rreserve judgement until I read more about the dude, I've already been banned from a channel this week because of a silly comment

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14:34 <jackygrahamez> We're cool here, I went on one channel and some Egyptian guy immediately started some anti-semetic attack on me and I'm not even Jewish.

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14:35 <MTughan_> ...

14:37 <jasong> What's the matter, MT?  Did one of us say something in the past that bugged you?

14:37 <jasong> :)

14:38 <jasong> nm

14:39 <MTughan_> No, the first thing I saw was jackygrahamez's message about the Egyption anti-semetic attack...

14:39 <jackygrahamez> That's what happened when I went to a chemistry irc

14:39 <jasong> ahhh

14:39 <jackygrahamez> I just asked a simple question

14:39 <jasong> Yeah, that would suck

14:40 <jackygrahamez> So I told the guy he reminded me of Borrat

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14:40 <MTughan_> lol

14:42 <jackygrahamez> If any of you are good at finding errors, I was trying to compile pymol on cygwin and it looks like an error with glut http://pastebin.com/m111596b9

14:42 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

14:42 <jackygrahamez> I'm hoping to make a screensaver out of this code

14:45 <MTughan_> jackygrahamez: Try changing -lglut32 to -lglut.

14:46 <MTughan_> lechimp: Hey Lars.

14:46 <lechimp> MTughan_: Hi Michael

14:46 <lechimp> MTughan_: sorry for the long wait

14:46 <MTughan_> This is just a temporary nick. I'm in class at the moment, just waiting for the teacher to start. MTughan is the one I'll normally use.

14:48 <jasong> Can anyone give me some good search terms that will let me investigate the TV networks idea of "web tv" without a lot of clicking?

14:48 <jasong> I'm expecting to be disappointed, but I'll give them their day in the sun

14:49 <MTughan_> lechimp: Okay, you're added as a developer to the project.

14:51 <lechimp> MTughan_:  Thank you. I'll do a checkout and play a bit.

14:51 <MTughan_> Okay.

14:52 <jackygrahamez> looks like there is another way to build pymol, standard configure and make

14:52 <jackygrahamez> If that does not work i'll try changing the glut

14:52 <lechimp> Anything I should look at in particular?

14:53 <MTughan_> Not sure. I'm going to be replacing the lib folder with one from another project, and probably going to be overhauling the actual container classes soon.

14:54 <lechimp> I'll try and find some things to work on then :)

14:54 <MTughan_> Okay, sounds good.

15:04 <lechimp> Hmmm...the current version doesn't compile

15:05 <lechimp> I need to get the BOINC Framework elsewhere, right?

15:05 <MTughan_> Yeah, I had to modify some stuff when I checked it out again too.

15:05 <MTughan_> You shouldn't need it.

15:05 <MTughan_> Oh, I know... Open BOINCAPI/BOINCAPI.xcodeproj and compile it. :P

15:05 <lechimp> Ahhhh...thanks :)

15:07 <lechimp> hmmm..I get a dependency error with GCC 4.2. You running 10.4?

15:07 <MTughan_> 10.5... How did you get GCC 4.2?

15:07 <lechimp> well, I don't know. I installed the Dev Tools

15:07 <MTughan_> Ah, it's installed by default, but my default is 4.0.

15:08 <lechimp> I'll use 4.0 then :)

15:08 <MTughan_> Check what /usr/bin/gcc softlinks too.

15:08 <MTughan_> to*

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15:12 <lechimp> switching to 4.0 helped with the framework

15:12 <MTughan_> I'll have to take a look at 4.2 compilation then. It's probably some errors in my code, as 4.2 is more strict about code.

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15:23 * Soul_keeper rolls with 4.2.3

15:23 <lechimp> well, it says the problem is with 4.2 with the OS 10.4 SDK

15:24 <MTughan_> Probably because 4.2 wasn't available with 10.4, I guess...

15:24 <MTughan_> They didn't make sure the 10.4 SDK compiles with 4.2, while the 10.5 SDK will. Just like garbage collection, I guess.

15:25 <lechimp> Well I have no problem with using 4.0

15:25 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/boincrace/test2.png   ok MTughan  you freak

15:26 <lechimp> It's just a question of what we choose for requirements

15:26 <MTughan_> xD

15:26 <MTughan_> I told you I'd run your graph off.

15:26 <Soul_keeper> i gotta up to bounds to atleast 120K

15:27 <Soul_keeper> heck 180  might do ...

15:27 <jackygrahamez> what is the cheapest computer I can get that has a nVIDIA?

15:28 <jackygrahamez> I got to do some testing on these GPUs

15:29 <MTughan_> Soul_keeper: I'm doing about 50-60K/day now.

15:30 <MTughan_> So 1.5-1.8 million/month.

15:30 <MTughan_> jackygrahamez: That's not a Nvidia GPU. That's an ATI GPU.

15:30 <MTughan_> Soul_keeper's using Nvidia GPUs. :D

15:31 <jackygrahamez> ok what's better then?

15:31 <jackygrahamez> People keep telling me, I got to get GPUs working on this project

15:31 <MTughan_> Nvidia can be used in more projects right now, and BOINC has native detection.

15:31 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/boincrace/test2.png

15:31 <jackygrahamez> I keep putting it off

15:31 <Soul_keeper> i only got 1 GPU

15:32 <MTughan_> ATI can only be used in MW for now, although AI is also working on an application. Also, you have to do a bit more configuration because BOINC just sees it as another CPU app.

15:32 <Soul_keeper> jackygrahamez, any computer with a pcie slot, then throw in a 100 dollar nvidia card  GT or GTX+  are both good choices

15:32 <jackygrahamez> I start thinking about buying new hardware for testing and I hear a cash register in my head :-(

15:32 <MTughan_> You can probably get a GeForce 9800GTX+ for fairly cheap.

15:33 <lechimp> MTughan_:  It seems the BOINC icns is missing, along with the Korean translations?

15:33 <Soul_keeper> lotsa rebates floating around, i'm thinking maybe 120 or 130 for the GTX+   probably 100 or less for the GT now

15:34 <MTughan_> lechimp: Yes, the Korean wasn't there for long, feel free to delete it. Also, I did have an icon, but I never committed it to the trunk. Feel free to take it from BOINC or use your own for now.

15:34 <Soul_keeper> amd just lowered the prices on the 4870/4850 today

15:34 <jackygrahamez> I need a new computer as well

15:34 <MTughan_> List of 9800GTX+ cards at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201305520548%20106792522%201067942261&name=GeForce%209800%20GTX%2b

15:34 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ck54dc> (at www.newegg.com)

15:35 <MTughan_> $160 for an XFX card is nice.

15:35 <MTughan_> And that's before a $25 rebate.

15:36 <MTughan_> EVGA has $160 cards too.

15:38 <ELGono> indeed 8600GT here crunching like a beast

15:48 <lechimp> MTughan_: There. Icon added, Korean translation removed.

15:48 <MTughan_> Compiled?

15:50 <lechimp> No, not compiled yet. But these things had to be fixed anyway

15:52 <xcamel> 'lo

15:52 <MTughan_> 'lo Jay

15:53 <xcamel> another web hack >> 91.211.65.25

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15:58 <MTughan_> bbl...

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16:02 <xcamel> well.. we got a little snow

16:06 <xcamel> feels more like January out..

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16:21 <zombie67> what non-windows BOINC projects are out there?  WEP & SHETI I know.  Any others?

16:28 <CoderForLife> home again

16:28 <lechimp> I run Rosetta@Home and Einstein@Home on Mac OS X. They also run on Linux, for example.

16:30 <BadBarbarian> gpugrid

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16:30 <xcamel> 'lo Don, BB

16:31 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

16:32 <CoderForLife> market fall down, go boom

16:32 <CoderForLife> lots of excitement over the stimulus

16:32 <PovAddict> zombie67: sheti?

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16:33 <PovAddict> lechimp: I think zombie67 is asking for projects that don't support Windows

16:33 <lechimp> PovAddict: Ah, well in that case my two suggestions are off

16:34 <PovAddict> most projects support all three major platforms

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16:37 <lechimp> MTughan: I've managed to get it to compile - almost. It now claims the BOINCAPI Framework can't be found, which is absurd....

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16:38 <MTughan> lechimp: Yeah, you may have to edit some paths. I'm going to have to clean up the Xcode project too, but afterwards. I'm already in the middle of cleaning up another one.

16:38 <zombie67> http://boinc.math.ucalgary.ca/sheti/index.php

16:38 <zombie67> I have a machine running linux.  I want it to focus on projects that my windows machines cannot RUN

16:38 <Romulus> Title: SHETI (at boinc.math.ucalgary.ca)

16:39 <zombie67> so it is running WEP and SHETI....and I want to know if there are any others.

16:40 <lechimp> MTughan: OK. I'll commit what I have, which should in itself be a little clean-up. Let me know when you want me to take a second look :-)

16:40 <MTughan> Okay.

16:41 <PovAddict> while debating with myself which of two things I should work on during this month, I found yet another interesting project to do

16:42 <PovAddict> which means there is little chance I'll ever have time to get renderfarm back

16:44 <zombie67> which project??

16:45 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Apparently Nvidia has released their own drivers for Win7.

16:45 <Tank_Master> its bunded in the vista drivers

16:47 <PovAddict> zombie67: not "boinc project"

16:47 <PovAddict> "project" like "finish writing the GUI RPC library" or "write a command line tool to do Ken Burns effect on pictures"

16:54 <zombie67> ah

16:54 <zombie67> "too many distractions"

16:54 <Tank_Master> like pilaging

16:55 <xcamel> and burning?

16:55 <Tank_Master> no

16:55 <Tank_Master> cant burn

16:55 <Tank_Master> or rape

16:55 <Tank_Master> just pillage

16:55 <zombie67> "OK boys, just remember...  It's Rape, Kill, Pillage and Burn.  In THAT ORDER!" -- D

16:55 <PovAddict> o_o

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16:56 <xcamel> kill being optional..

16:57 <Tank_Master> like crap... it crashes on me at randome

16:57 <Tank_Master> ahh crap

16:57 <Tank_Master> wrong window

16:57 <zombie67> where the heck is 6.6.12??

16:57 <xcamel> why?

16:57 <PovAddict> who wants to watch pr0n for a living?

16:58 <Tank_Master> mee!!!

16:58 <zombie67> why?  because NNW doesn't work for GPU projects with 6.6.11

16:58 <xcamel> Who is John Galt?

16:58 <PovAddict> an antivirus company is looking for someone to improve their content filtering software; the job would involve identifying pr0n sites and marking them as such

16:58 <zombie67> and I keep getting work for projects I have set to NNW.

16:59 <zombie67> DA said a fix (maybe) will be in 6.6.12

17:00 <PovAddict> but it's up to Rom to release new versions, not DA

17:00 <zombie67> DA asked ROM to publish 6.6.12 a few days ago

17:03 <PovAddict> argh, VNC client trying to be smart

17:03 <PovAddict> "Same machine: preferring raw encoding"

17:03 <PovAddict> it's 127.0.0.1 but it's not same machine, it's a ssh tunnel

17:04 <PovAddict> but it switches to raw mode and takes forever to load the screen content

17:05 <xcamel> vnc can be "pesky"

17:05 <PovAddict> got it...

17:06 <PovAddict> the windows logon window loaded instantly

17:06 <xcamel> lol - sped my firewall up quite a bit...

17:06 <xcamel> seems it was getting too hot sitting on top of the switch...

17:06 <PovAddict> heh

17:07 <PovAddict> last night we were copying data between two Macs

17:07 <xcamel> at least for irc anyway

17:07 <PovAddict> during the transfer, I couldn't even ping the router from my machine

17:07 <PovAddict> I think the router was kinda overloaded

17:08 <xcamel> ya think?

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17:10 <PovAddict> but it must be a crap router if transfer between two Macs made me unable to even ping the router from another directly-wired machine

17:11 <PovAddict> (Wi-Fi didn't work either; network showed up in list but failed to connect)

17:11 <PovAddict> once the transfer was done, I had to reset the router

17:11 <PovAddict> by unplugging it; of course I couldn't get to the web interface

17:12 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:12 <xcamel> bury the bitbucket.

17:17 <xcamel> March shouldn't be this cold.

17:20 <xcamel> 15F

17:22 <CoderForLife> 25F here today - bright sunshine

17:22 <Tank_Master> 60F here and sunny with some clouds

17:23 <MTughan> &wx YOW

17:24 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 14°F / -10°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM EST; Tonight - Clearing early this evening. Wind north 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming light this evening. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) near midnight. Low -21C(-6F). Wind chill -28 overnight.; Tuesday - Sunny. (1 more message)

17:24 <MTughan> Meh. It's good for the OCs, and I don't mind the cold.

17:24 <CoderForLife> the sun is marching northwards to deal with your wanton OCing

17:25 <MTughan> Isn't it heading westwards?

17:25 <CoderForLife> actually it's all due to the planet not holding still

17:26 <MTughan> Isn't it heading westwards relative to the world?

17:26 <PovAddict> if it held still, we'd have a problem

17:26 <PovAddict> permanent day on one side, permanent night on the other

17:32 <lechimp> MTughan: this is really weird. XCode copies the framework to the right location, then claims it can't find it :P

17:32 <lechimp> not exactly 'code sensing'

17:32 <MTughan> Hold on, let me take a look...

17:33 <MTughan> What's the path you have for BOINCAPI.framework?

17:34 <MTughan> I have "BOINCAPI/build/Release/BOINCAPI.framework", with that being "Relative to Enclosing Group".

17:34 <MTughan> The build succeeds.

17:35 <lechimp> That's how I set it

17:35 <lechimp> it succeeds?

17:35 <lechimp> interesssting, my preciousssss.....

17:35 <lechimp> I'll go look at it again then

17:36 <MTughan> What's the error from the linker?

17:36 <lechimp> can't find BOINCAPI framework

17:36 <MTughan> Hmm...

17:36 <lechimp> but if it succeeds for you, then I must have done something right

17:37 <MTughan> Check the "Framework Search Paths" in the BOINC Manager target info.

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17:38 <MTughan> It has "/Users/mtughan/BOINCManager/trunk/BOINCAPI/build/Release" here, but I think I customized that. It should be "$(SRCROOT)/BOINCAPI/build/Release" for now.

17:44 <lechimp> it still fails

17:44 <lechimp> odd

17:44 <xcamel> EPIC FAIL?

17:45 <lechimp> not quite, sadly :)

17:46 <CoderForLife> down to the couch to enjoy a flagrant release of carbon in the fireplace, and try compiling my BOINC code under Linux - laterz

17:47 <xcamel> actuary@home?

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17:59 <lechimp> welcome back, everyone :D

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18:02 <xcamel> &wx 12074

18:02 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 13.2F / -10.4C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1019.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow this evening...then a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Colder with lows around 5 above. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; (1 more message)

18:03 <MTughan> Slow bot...

18:03 <xcamel> something is messed up..

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18:03 <MTughan> TSPer: weather 12074

18:03 <TSPer> MTughan: Temperature: 13.4F / -10.3C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1019.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow this evening...then a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Colder with lows around 5 above. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Tuesday - (1 more message)

18:03 <MTughan> TSPer: more

18:03 <TSPer> MTughan: Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Cold with highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Cold with lows around 5 above. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph...diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight.;

18:03 <MTughan> TSPer: part

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18:05 <xcamel_> should have known...

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18:06 <MTughan> Wow, lots of splits today...

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18:09 <xcamel> boy this is messed up..

18:09 <Tank_Master> would be nice if a new chat window wouldnt open up each time a split happes

18:10 <PovAddict> doesn't for me, get a decent IRC client

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18:11 <lechimp> me neither, but I have turned off the notification sound now :P

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18:11 <Romulus> WB, Boss

18:11 <MTughan> o_O

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18:11 <xcamel> sheesh.

18:12 <MTughan> lechimp: Any progress?

18:12 <lechimp> not really, I think I've given up for the night (it's 12 past midnight here)

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18:15 <lechimp> but if you can tweak it to work, please do commit the changes - I'll see if it works

18:15 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm gonna do that.

18:15 <lechimp> How much is it supposed to look like the official client? What with icons in the tabs and all...?

18:16 <MTughan> I'm going to change the look.

18:16 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/BOINCMgrLayout.png is a quick sketchup in GIMP.

18:16 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6hqud4> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

18:17 <PovAddict> oh you were discussing his manager?

18:17 <MTughan> Yes, lechimp is the one who offered his help.

18:17 * PovAddict points both to #boinc_dev

18:18 <lechimp> Yes, I did consider if that was the place

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18:50 <Soul_keeper> hmmm what is  2 to the 26th power ?

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18:51 <PovAddict> &math calc 2 ** 26

18:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: 67108864

18:51 <Soul_keeper> how does that work ?

18:51 <Soul_keeper> something to do with base 10 i take it ?

18:52 <PovAddict> huh

18:52 <Soul_keeper> well i can do the square root of something on my calculator, i'm just not understanding what a "to the th power"  means

18:53 <PovAddict> 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2

18:53 <Soul_keeper> ok

18:53 <wdsmia> 2 much

18:53 * PovAddict slaps wdsmia with a pun

18:54 <Soul_keeper> well anyways that's the maximum size of a stream with brook+

18:54 <Soul_keeper> just systematically reading all their data

18:54 <PovAddict> &math convert [math calc 2 ** 26] bytes to MB

18:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: 67.108864

18:54 <PovAddict> 67MB

18:55 <PovAddict> unless

18:55 <PovAddict> &math convert [math calc 2 ** 26] bytes to MiB

18:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: 64

18:55 <PovAddict> ahaa

18:55 * xcamel slaps PovAddict with a natural log

18:55 <PovAddict> exactly 64MB

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19:02 <wdsmia> new high Credit/day 297,762 :)

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19:02 <Soul_keeper> why amd chooses to bundle their sdk/libraries as a  bsd licensed bash script embedded tar.gzip containing an rpm    is beyond me

19:03 <Soul_keeper> can't just provide a  single compressed    .tar.bzip2    like any "not stupid" project

19:03 <PovAddict> lol

19:04 <Soul_keeper> i hate rpm's

19:04 <BadBarbarian> well all its my 3 year anniversary with boinc

19:05 <PovAddict> cool

19:05 <BadBarbarian> march 2nd 2006

19:06 <wdsmia>   BOINC Beta Test new account confirmation Fri, 1/2/04

19:07 <Soul_keeper> pdftohtml Brook+_Release_Notes.pdf

19:07 <Soul_keeper> Error: Copying of text from this document is not allowed.

19:07 <Soul_keeper> nothing about amd's approach seems open to me

19:07 <xcamel> SETI@home member since24 May 1999

19:09 <wdsmia> I dont even remember when I started clasic

19:09 <Soul_keeper> lol drm embedded in pdf's now

19:09 <PovAddict> now?

19:09 <Romulus> Somebody said now is probably the time to max mb's out i guess, PovAddict

19:09 <Soul_keeper> yup, it's news to me

19:10 <PovAddict> "PDF files may also contain embedded DRM restrictions that provide further controls that limit copying, editing or printing. The restrictions on copying, editing, or printing depend on the reader software to obey them, so the security they provide is limited."

19:14 <PovAddict> forget now

19:14 <Romulus> I hear ya.

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19:15 <xcamel> forget PovAddict

19:15 <Romulus> Okay!

19:15 <PovAddict> lol

19:15 <PovAddict> "Root privileges are required for running GParted"

19:15 <PovAddict> "Since GParted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root may run it."

19:16 <wdsmia> SETI@home project since 3 July 2001

19:18 <wdsmia> and has contributed 3.18 quintillion floating-point operations lol

19:20 <wdsmia> now if I had a penny for every flop

19:20 <PovAddict> if you had a zimbabwe dollar for every flop, you'd STILL be rich

19:24 <xcamel> 1.a cardinal number represented in the U.S. by 1 followed by 18 zeros, and in Great Britain by 1 followed by 30 zeros.

19:24 <xcamel> no wonder beagle crashed.

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20:17 <zombie67_> Damn power went out 30 min ago...still out!

20:18 <zombie67_> Aparrently i lin

20:18 <zombie67_> Live in a 3rd world country

20:19 <zombie67_> And now its getting dark

20:20 <Soul_keeper> excellent work

20:22 <zombie67_> Using my iphone to chat. Is this making it through?

20:23 <MTughan> zombie67_: Yes.

20:24 <zombie67_> Ugh. Well i better save battery life. Bbl

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20:45 <tesseracter> hi. anyone got a link for me, im looking to use my gtx280 for some computation

20:46 <Soul_keeper> http://www.gpugrid.net/

20:46 <Romulus> Title: GPUGRID (at www.gpugrid.net)

20:46 <MTughan> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/cuda.php

20:46 <Romulus> Title: Run SETI@home on your NVIDIA GPU (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

20:46 <xcamel> milkyway also

20:47 <MTughan> Nope, that's just ATI cards for now.

20:47 <Soul_keeper> http://calbe.dw70.de/linux64.html    here is a direct link to the seti binaries

20:47 <Romulus> Title: Crunch3rs BOINC page (at calbe.dw70.de)

20:47 <tesseracter> thanks :-)

20:47 <Soul_keeper> paul harvey died

20:48 <tesseracter> aww, not-so-good-day

20:48 <XioNYC> I know.  They mentioned it on the NewsHour on PBS.

20:49 <wdsmia> and that's the end of the story

20:51 <tesseracter> hmm, boinc doesnt recognize my card.

20:51 <PovAddict> what version of boinc?

20:51 <MTughan> What version of BOINC?

20:51 <PovAddict> jinx

20:51 <MTughan> You'll need 6.4.x or later to use CUDA.

20:52 <tesseracter> yep, just figured that out. is there a repo that keeps up to date??

20:52 <MTughan> What OS are you using?

20:53 <tesseracter> ubuntu

20:53 <PovAddict> Ubuntu will probably put it officially when and IF BOINC ever becomes stable again

20:53 <MTughan> If the package in Ubuntu's repos isn't 6.4.x or later, you'll probably have to download the binaries yourself from BOINC's site.

20:53 <PovAddict> it hasn't worked right since they added GPU support

20:54 <tesseracter> (and I didn't mean to put two question marks. you guys are totally helpful.)

20:54 <tesseracter> PovAddict, interesting.

20:54 <tesseracter> is it even worth it?

20:54 <PovAddict> I dunno

20:54 <PovAddict> in my opinion, it's not worth the electricity

20:55 <PovAddict> GPUs are X times faster and use Y times more electricity than CPUs; but I don't know if X > Y

20:55 <PovAddict> I do know that the last power bill was giant, and I don't use my GPU to compute...

20:55 <PovAddict> so I won't even try

20:55 <tesseracter> the gtx280 is on the same water loop as my quadcore, maybe i should just leave it at that.

20:56 <MTughan> I think with my ATI card on MW, X > Y, but I don't have any hard evidence.

21:11 <Soul_keeper> bla

21:26 <efc> bleh, this is stupid, but I can't seem to find the average value of cos from 0 to 90 degrees

21:26 <MTughan> Actually, that's a tough question... Because it's not cos(45).

21:27 <efc> I integrate and then I'm drawing a blank

21:27 <PovAddict> bruteforce!

21:27 <efc> It integrates to .. 1, I think

21:28 <PovAddict> total=0; count=0; for(i=0; i<90; i+=0.01) { total += cos(i); count++; } result = total / count;

21:28 <xcamel> &math cos(.707*90)

21:28 <Romulus> xcamel: 0.698034824724

21:28 <PovAddict> hmm

21:28 <PovAddict> &math cos(90)

21:28 <Romulus> PovAddict: -0.448073616129

21:28 <MTughan> Why sqrt(2)/2?

21:28 <PovAddict> it's using radians

21:29 <PovAddict> not degrees

21:29 <MTughan> 0 degrees is 0 radians, and 90 degrees is...

21:29 <MTughan> &math pi / 2

21:29 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.57079632679

21:30 <efc> I should be looking at RMS, I think

21:30 <PovAddict> &math cos(radians(90))

21:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0

21:30 <MTughan> &math cos((2 ** 0.5) pi / 4)

21:30 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

21:30 <PovAddict> &math cos(radians(.707*90))

21:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0.444166124676

21:30 <MTughan> Oops... I missed a *.

21:31 <MTughan> Hmm, that doesn't seem right... It should be closer to 1 than 0 in my thinking.

21:33 <xcamel> work on it long enough you'll see that my answer is pretty close.

21:34 <MTughan> The first one you gave, or the Pov adapted one?

21:34 <xcamel> the first one.

21:36 <xcamel> it's an old, if not dumb math trick.

21:37 <MTughan> &math cos((2 ** 0.5) * 45)

21:37 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.691121103433

21:37 <MTughan> If .707 in your answer is just a simplification of sqrt(2)/2, that's slightly closer.

21:40 <efc> What should I be thinking? Normally, average is something like total/# elements

21:41 <MTughan> I'm trying out Pov's snippet above... Adapted it to C++.

21:43 <MTughan> Using increments of 0.0001, I get average is 0.636621.

21:44 <MTughan> xcamel: Care to explain how yours is close?

21:46 <MTughan> 0.6366203656 when I force more decimal places.

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21:48 <efc> If I integrate, then divide, the units are all wrong (get inverse degrees or something dumb like that)

21:49 <MTughan> Hold on, I'll pastebin the code I used...

21:49 <MTughan> http://pastebin.com/d7c6579f0

21:49 <Romulus> Title: C++ pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

21:50 <MTughan> That code could've easily been done in C too, but oh well.

21:50 <PovAddict> ln-s that, Im on the itouch

21:50 <PovAddict> &ln url

21:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 'url' is not a valid url.

21:50 <MTughan> Okay.

21:50 <MTughan> &ln http://pastebin.com/d7c6579f0

21:50 <Romulus> MTughan: http://ln-s.net/2wz4

21:52 <PovAddict> use M_PI; and jusr in case, 180.0

21:52 <PovAddict> just

21:53 <xcamel> keep working on it...

21:53 <MTughan> &ln http://pastebin.com/d283d29e3

21:53 <Romulus> MTughan: http://ln-s.net/2wz$

21:53 <MTughan> Other than a couple digits off, it's the exact same answer.

21:54 <MTughan> xcamel: Okay, doing 1000 times more precision than the pastebinned code... I'll give you the result once it comes up.

21:57 <MTughan> Maybe I should've done the computation on the 3.26GHz quad instead of the 2.0GHz Mac... :P

21:58 <PovAddict> maybe 1000 times is too much

21:59 <PovAddict> also, compile -O3, will make a difference for this kind of program

21:59 <MTughan> What do you mean?

21:59 <PovAddict> gcc -O3 should givr you quite he speedup

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22:01 <MTughan> Ctrl+C'd it and recompiled with -O3 after you said that. It's going on that one now.

22:01 <PovAddict> how long did it take before?

22:02 <MTughan> If it was about half a second before the speedup, that means about 500 seconds for this one before optimizations.

22:02 <MTughan> &math convert 500 seconds to minutes

22:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 8.33333333333

22:02 <PovAddict> &google calc 0.5*1000

22:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0.5 * 1,000 = 500

22:02 <PovAddict> er

22:02 <MTughan> &google calc 0.5 seconds * 1000

22:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.5 seconds * 1000 = 8.33333333 minutes

22:03 <PovAddict> &google calc 0.5 seconds*1000

22:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0.5 seconds * 1000 = 8.33333333 minutes

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22:05 <PovAddict> appstore apps are so limited they cant mess up a jailbreak... ironic maybe

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22:05 <PovAddict> wrong chan; i need a real irc client for this thing

22:05 <zombie67> well that sucked

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22:06 <PovAddict> what happened z?

22:07 <efc> Ah-ha. Its 2/pi. 0.6366...

22:08 <PovAddict> whoa

22:08 <MTughan> Looks like a factor of 10 over the pastebinned code took 3.483 seconds. So a factor of 1000 over pastebinned would be 300 seconds, or about 5 minutes.

22:08 <efc> (1/(b-a)) Integral (a->b, F(x))  Not sure where they got that formula

22:09 <PovAddict> not worth it

22:09 <MTughan> But considering that's basically doing nothing now, and efc found the answer, it confirms what I found.

22:09 <efc> Can't get it to work using degrees, had to use rads, then its fine

22:10 <efc> For the version of it in two dimensions..

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22:11 <efc> (I'm trying to calculate the momentum transfer of photons with an even angular distribution)

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22:19 <PovAddict> whatever that means

22:20 <efc> basically if you tossed tennis balls at random angles but uniform speed, how much oomph would that give the target

22:21 <efc> i'm really rusty at calc and not too good to start

22:22 <PovAddict> better you than me (what's 'integrate'? :P)

22:22 <efc> Its like tearing your teeth out with a wrench

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22:23 <PovAddict> the only thing I know about integrals is the mathematical symbol used

22:23 <PovAddict> lol

22:24 <PovAddict> that bad huh?

22:26 <MTughan> Essentially...

22:26 <jasong> Speaking of complex math(not imaginary numbers, the other definition), someone made a statement which others in #rieselsieve didn't believe, but they couldn't disprove it.

22:26 <efc> Its not that difficult to do..

22:27 <jasong> He  said that whether k*2^n-1 had factors or not, the same was true for k*n!

22:27 <efc> Sort of like its hard to prove a computer program is correct, or halts, etc

22:27 <jasong> I think that's the way it was stated, not sure

22:27 <MTughan> So if k*2^n-1 was prime, k*n was too, and vice-versa?

22:27 <jasong> He said we could use that as a sieving method for Riesel numbers

22:28 <efc> sounds like its related to the pollard n-1 factoring method

22:28 <jasong> No, that exclamation point means factorial

22:28 <PovAddict> MT: n factorial

22:28 <jasong> yes

22:28 <MTughan> So if k*2^n-1 was prime, k*(n!) was too, and vice-versa?

22:28 <efc> If you find an explanation of that it will probably have some helpful sub theorems

22:28 <MTughan> Sorry, just thought you were excited about it or something... :P

22:29 <jasong> That's what he believed, but I'm not sure if I'm stating the equation correectly

22:29 <PovAddict> hard to prove, since n is uaually huge

22:29 <jasong> just a sec, I'll go ask

22:29 <PovAddict> and huge! = very huge

22:29 <MTughan> :P

22:30 <efc> If its busts, it will probably bust early (but not always)

22:30 <jasong> He said it had to do with derivatives, is k*n! the derivative of k*2^n-1?

22:31 <PovAddict> efc must know... he was once trying to do an operation involving two giant factorials, so big that the result cant be stored anywhere, so he wanted some more 'analytical' solution

22:31 <jasong> We're dealing here with math I never took classes on, so sorry if I contradict myself

22:32 <efc> I forgot a lot of that junk, but like I said a similar reasoning is behind the Pollard method

22:32 <jasong> Does it sound like a legit, or possibly legit idea?

22:32 <efc> which basically hopes that to factor n, n-1 consists only of small factors. If this is true it is fast.

22:32 <efc> Its possibly but I don't see it right away (I never do)

22:33 <jasong> His assertion was that since we're basically trying to find composites, we could take the numbers that are left and sieve them individually to a billion or so

22:33 <efc> You just want to find big composites?

22:34 <jasong> He also said it would take hours to calculate the value for the higher numbers, so some numbers should be stored, and then simply do a stairstep thing to generate each one

22:34 <jasong> You're not understanding me, he was recommending it as a sieving method

22:35 <PovAddict> sieve = quickly find as many composites as possible, to filter them out of the slow individual prime testing

22:35 <jasong> yes

22:36 <jasong> sorry, forgot the channel I was in

22:36 <jasong> I know you guys are smart enough to understand the concept of sieving, but I forgot you might not know the term

22:37 <jasong> be  back in two minutes

22:37 <PovAddict> be back in a few hours (of sleep)

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22:38 <efc> don't know the exact application here

22:43 <jasong> Do you understand how sieving works?

22:44 <jasong> The hypothesis is that if k*2^n-1 is prime or composite, that k*n! is the same way.  So, assuming it's true, finding a factor for k*n! would mean that k*2^n-1 has a factor as well, just not necessarily the same factors

22:45 <efc> I don't know what you're trying to sieve out and keep in

22:45 <jasong> Riesel primes

22:45 <jasong> oh, sorry

22:46 <jasong> We have about 65 k values at the moment that we haven't found a prime for, we also have a file which contains n-values for those k where no factor has been found that's below 10^15

22:47 <jasong> If we were to start over with k*n!, assuming it's true, we could start sieving at 2 again and maybe get rid of 99% of the numbers left with a lot less effort than if we just continued after 10^15

22:48 <jasong> Then there'd be less numbers to run primality tests on

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22:53 <efc> yeah that would keep me spinning for a while

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23:13 <zombie67> http://www.pvponline.com/2009/03/02/ombudsmen/

23:13 <Romulus> Title: PvPonline Archive Ombudsmen (at www.pvponline.com)

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