IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-03-03

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00:32 <Soul_keeper> i hate you all equally

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04:03 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:03 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 14.3F / -9.8C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.38in / 1028.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows 15 to 20. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid (1 more message)

04:03 <CoderForLife> &more

04:03 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:09 <efc> &wx 31088

04:09 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 32F / 0C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Light and variable winds.; Wednesday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Flood Warning for Houston County (1 more message)

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04:14 <CoderForLife> moo

04:14 <efc> moo

04:14 <efc> spent all night on this problem and can't do it

04:15 <CoderForLife> doesn't sound like a good investment

04:16 <efc> one shot ten years ago would have been

04:17 <CoderForLife> sounds like maybe that justifies building a time machine

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04:19 <CoderForLife> hmm

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04:41 <CoderForLife> brb

05:45 <xcamel> boo

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07:11 <ELGono> morning dudes

07:22 <ELGono> still trying to use 3 setiathome units running at once... 1 cuda und 2 SSE3

07:23 <ELGono> so far just cuda & astropulse units... if switching app_info to SSE3 client, no cuda units anymore

07:43 <hawmps> good work..

07:43 <ELGono> looks like i got it now

07:44 <ELGono> and calculating 20mins

07:44 <ELGono> i'll know in 10 mins :)

07:45 <ELGono> 03.03.2009 13:36:04 SETI@home Starting task 22ja09aa.760.136760.10.8.173_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 608

07:54 <ELGono> double WOW

07:54 <ELGono>

07:54 <Romulus> <> (at

07:54 <ELGono> just ran 2 of these in 15mins

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08:53 <PovAdct_w> o_o

08:53 <PovAdct_w> wdsmia_w klined?!

08:59 <ELGono> disturbance of the force

09:00 <CoderForLife> wazza k-line?

09:00 <hawmps> hmmm.. AMD clears final hurdle for $5 bm malta fab

09:01 <PovAdct_w> CoderForLife: banned from freenode

09:01 <hawmps> k-line == system ban

09:01 <PovAdct_w> I don't quite remember what each x-line is about

09:02 <PovAdct_w> "When a user is k-lined, it bans the user from a certain server, either for a certain amount of time or permanently."

09:02 <ELGono> like gline

09:02 <CoderForLife> yipes!

09:03 <ELGono> k-line ist just for server running command

09:03 <ELGono> gline networkwide ban

09:03 <hawmps>

09:03 <Romulus> <> (at

09:03 <hawmps> ircop kill

09:03 <CoderForLife> hmm

09:05 <CoderForLife> goodbye wdsmia_w - we hardly knew ye

09:06 <PovAdct_w> he must have done something bad in another channel

09:06 <PovAdct_w> wdsmia is still here though

09:06 <ELGono> maybe a general script op-kickin

09:06 <CoderForLife> it's good for assassins to have alternate identities

09:09 <CoderForLife> back to the salt mine - laterz

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10:19 <ELGono> is there any way to tell boinc, to load 3 setiadvanced instances?

10:19 <ELGono> now it's using one SSE3 seti advanced and another seti adv. on cuda

10:20 <ELGono> but load on 2nd processor screems for another seti process

10:20 <PovAdct_w> BOINC scheduler hasn't worked right since they added GPU support

10:20 <PovAdct_w> there is no way to tell boinc to do what you want, there has never been

10:20 <PovAdct_w> in your case, it should be automatically doing what you want (but it doesn't)

10:21 <ELGono> it did before adding SSE3 support

10:21 <ELGono> before that 2 astropulse and 1 cuda were running

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10:55 <sethy> ohi guise

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10:59 <PovAdct_w> _o/

11:00 <Soul_keeper> ok

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11:04 <sethy> hola

11:04 <sethy> :D

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11:12 <Soul_keeper> gpugrid seems much more optimized than seti cuda

11:15 <MTughan> wdsmia_w came back...

11:18 <wdsmia_w> was I gone?

11:18 <PovAdct_w> wdsmia_w: you were k-lined

11:19 <MTughan> [08:50:50] * wdsmia_w has quit (K-lined)

11:19 <MTughan> It's now 11:19 according to my clock.

11:20 <wdsmia_w> mibbit does some strange things

11:22 <Soul_keeper>   nvidia just rebranded the 8800 again,  gtx+ now has a 1.5" shorter board and lower power usage, i want one

11:22 <Romulus> <> (at

11:23 <Soul_keeper> not on newegg/pricewatch yet tho

11:27 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: "Oh, also wide availability won't be until March 10th. Seriously."

11:27 <MTughan> So a week from now.

11:28 <Soul_keeper> nice

11:28 <Soul_keeper> seems like they don't wanna do 40nm yet

11:28 <Tank_Master> hummm

11:28 <Soul_keeper> amd just announced their first mobile parts on 40nm today

11:28 <Tank_Master> that just might be my next card...

11:29 <Soul_keeper> well besides porting over 1 million lines of seti code to be stream capable, there is no other way to crunch on my 3870 in linux

11:30 <MTughan> Radeon HD3870?

11:30 <Soul_keeper> yeah

11:31 <Soul_keeper> this is enough to make me not buy ati cards

11:31 <MTughan> Yeah, the only GPU apps for ATI cards that I know of are Windows apps on MW...

11:31 <Soul_keeper> it can be done, but it would take a good programmer probably a month to port seti over for linux and stream

11:31 <MTughan> That's the thing. The latest generation of ATI cards can be just as fast as Nvidia cards, or even faster, but BOINC did Nvidia first.

11:32 <Soul_keeper> i'm sure the boinc team would add detected if you showed them a stream capable linux app

11:32 <Soul_keeper> detection*

11:32 <MTughan> Why Linux and not Windows?

11:33 <Soul_keeper> because i hate windows

11:33 <Soul_keeper> havn't booted it in over 5yrs

11:33 <MTughan> Sorry to say it, but Windows has much more desktop placement than Linux.

11:33 <Soul_keeper> and ?

11:33 <Romulus> It has been said that and is with no internet for like a month, Soul_keeper

11:33 <MTughan> Gah, dammit! F*** you VPU recover!

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11:34 <Soul_keeper> i use linux, all my hardware purchases and software choices are centered around my os of choice

11:34 <MTughan> Had MW WUs sitting idle for 8.5 hours, and the CPU doing nothing else... >_>

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11:42 <Soul_keeper> seti cuda still uses 100% of a cpu core

11:42 <Soul_keeper> gpugrid don't do that

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11:59 <Soul_keeper>

11:59 <Romulus> Title: Out of nuggets? Woman at McDonald’s calls 911 three times - Phoenix Arizona news, breaking news, local news, weather radar, traffic from ABC15 News | (at

12:10 <PovAddict> ...

12:10 <Soul_keeper>

12:10 <Romulus> <> (at

12:10 <Soul_keeper> yeah happy bday PovAddict

12:10 <PovAddict> she should have died so she got a darwin award

12:10 <Soul_keeper> heh

12:11 <PovAddict> ...

12:11 <PovAddict> Soulkeeper: you're 3 months late

12:12 <Soul_keeper> bummer

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12:47 <jackygrahamez> new mac mini, do these come with GPUs?

12:47 <jackygrahamez>

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12:47 <Romulus> <> (at

12:47 <jackygrahamez> woops

12:47 <jackygrahamez>

12:47 <Romulus> <> (at

12:49 <jackygrahamez>

12:49 <Romulus> Title: Apple - Mac mini - Features - See what mini is made of. (at

12:49 <MTughan> jackygrahamez: The new Mac minis come with Nvidia 9400M chipsets, which can do CUDA.

12:49 <jackygrahamez> Hmm excellent

12:49 <MTughan> However, you'll need to load either Windows or Linux on it to do CUDA with BOINC for now.

12:49 <jackygrahamez> I'll take 8 :-)

12:50 <jackygrahamez> gosh darn it

12:50 <jackygrahamez> Boot-camp?

12:50 <jackygrahamez> Parallels?

12:50 <MTughan> Easy enough to do with Boot Camp in Leopard though, so don't get too disappointed yet.

12:50 <MTughan> Parallels is a virtual machine, not native.

12:50 <PovAddict> virtual machines don't give access to the GPU

12:50 <jackygrahamez> gotcha

12:51 <MTughan> Well, they do. Just not directly, and usually emulated.

12:51 <MTughan> But for simplicity, just use Pov's statement.

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13:21 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

13:22 <yoyo[RKN]> why was this running wu aborted

13:22 <Romulus> <> (at

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13:36 <Soul_keeper> so yeah incompatibility issues with amd stream and gcc 4.3

13:42 <Soul_keeper> quick edit of their defines seemed to fix it

13:42 <Soul_keeper> now i gotta edit their #includes

13:44 <Soul_keeper> now if i was on their payroll ...

13:45 <Soul_keeper> just made their brooke samples gcc 4.3 compatible

13:45 <ELGono> damn fan of the 8600GT just stopped

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13:55 <jackygrahamez> I hate office07!!!:-@

14:00 <Soul_keeper> CALuint   replaces  int    interesting

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14:13 <Soul_keeper> just fixed their main cal.h header also, they had some bad structs in there

14:15 <Soul_keeper> i can see why people aren't writing stream code

14:15 <Soul_keeper> it's basically in the beta stage

14:24 <Soul_keeper> Supported CAL Runtime Version: 1.3.145

14:24 <Soul_keeper> Found CAL Runtime Version: 1.3.158

14:24 <Soul_keeper> Segmentation fault

14:24 <Soul_keeper> appears their latest cal sdk is imcompatible with their latest drivers

14:25 <Soul_keeper> fun

14:28 <Soul_keeper> bbl

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14:54 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news March 3, 2009

15:01 <ELGono> yea Rom another outage

15:02 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

15:02 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 41°F / 5°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 8:50 PM CET; Clear. High:44 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F.; Chance of Rain. High:46 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F.;

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15:06 <hawmps> barely made 20F today

15:06 <hawmps> too damned cold for march

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15:11 <PovAddict> SEND ME SOME

15:11 <PovAddict> v_v

15:11 <PovAddict> &wx eze

15:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 78.3°F / 25.7°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h | Updated: 6:11 PM ARST; Partly Cloudy. High:86 F.; Rain. Low:66 F.; Rain. High:68 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Chance of Rain. High:78 F.; Clear. Low:60 F.;

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15:24 <Soul_keeper> i give up, i can't fix amd's headers

15:24 <Soul_keeper> i'll have to wait for an update from them, like everyone else

15:32 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

15:32 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 9:20 PM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:46 F.; Clear. Low:35 F.; Chance of Rain. High:46 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 F.; Chance of Rain. High:48 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.;

15:43 <Soul_keeper> their samples are riddled with integer overflows, and incorrect declarations of main

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16:22 <MTughan> Great, another HD disc format now... From China, no less.

16:22 <MTughan> CBHD.

16:25 <xcamel> 'lo

16:31 <CoderForLife> 'lo 2

16:32 <CoderForLife> drivers' side window >popped< this morning and then wouldn't go down

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16:32 <CoderForLife> was driving home a short while ago, and it started sliding open by itself

16:32 <CoderForLife> I think it's broken

16:33 <wdsmia_w> lol

16:33 <CoderForLife> hello K-Lined One

16:36 <xcamel> 'lo Doug, Don.

16:36 <wdsmia_w> 20 more min and I can go home

16:36 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay

16:37 <xcamel> well.. a little bday party (early) at the office today...

16:37 <xcamel> they tried to keep it a secret...

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16:51 <Soul_keeper> happy bday xcamel

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16:54 <Soul_keeper> appears amd bans you from their website if you click i link 5 times in a row ...

16:56 <Soul_keeper> bans you for a min or two :)

16:57 <MTughan> Good indication not to do that then. :)

16:58 <xcamel> bday not till sunday

17:01 <CoderForLife> re-hi

17:01 <xcamel> wb

17:01 <MTughan> 'lo Don, Jay

17:01 <MTughan> And SK of course. ;)

17:01 <CoderForLife> got the car scheduled to get the window looked at

17:02 <CoderForLife> tomorrow evening 6;15pm

17:02 <xcamel> "Florida woman called 911 three times over MCDONALD'S chicken shortage..."

17:02 <xcamel>

17:02 <Romulus> <> (at

17:02 <CoderForLife> brain shortage

17:03 <MTughan> The McNuggets, yeah. Someone posted a link about it in here earlier.

17:03 <xcamel> this was a chicken crisis!!

17:03 <MTughan> I don't think I've been to a McDonald's for 3-4+ years.

17:04 <CoderForLife> crisis catastrophe crisis we may never recover crisis

17:05 <xcamel> more Obamanomics

17:07 <xcamel> seen this?

17:07 <xcamel>

17:08 <Romulus> <> (at

17:08 <Soul_keeper> ok so brook seems to like 64 bit and gcc 4.2

17:08 <xcamel> 122 federal accounts double-dip the stimulus and the omnibus spending bills

17:10 <CoderForLife> believably unbelievable

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17:11 <CoderForLife> omfs $4.9B for ACORN

17:12 <MTughan> What is ACORN anyway?

17:12 <xcamel> I swear there is going to be a war within a year...

17:12 <xcamel> and a damned ugly one.

17:13 <CoderForLife> the storm clouds are gathering

17:13 <CoderForLife>

17:13 <Romulus> <> (at

17:14 <CoderForLife> a group that badgers bankers into doing the wrong things with threats of lawsuits

17:15 <xcamel> backed by Bawny Fwank and Cwis Dudd and funded by George Soros.

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17:17 <xcamel> you know that website F*'d company?? - I'm starting once called F***'d

17:17 <MTughan> From what I see in that article, all the people against it are biased towards Republican's. I'm not saying we need a Democratic opposer, but what about someone who's unbiased by politics?

17:18 <MTughan> BTW, has anyone been able to get to Ramsey@Home's site recently?

17:18 <xcamel> acorn is only about promoting a socialist agenda and stealing elections in america.. what unbiased view would you like to see with that?

17:19 <MTughan> I would like to see someone who's unbiased against any party and not coming from someone who probably hates Obama's guts.

17:19 <CoderForLife> They registered the dead to vote Democratic

17:19 <CoderForLife> and paid the living

17:20 <MTughan> Can you show me the first?

17:20 <CoderForLife> one guy here in town got several new voter registration cards - different names, same address

17:21 <CoderForLife> show you the first what?

17:21 <MTughan> "registered the dead to vote"

17:21 <PovAddict> I dont think there is such hing as 'unbiased by politics' in the US, MTughan

17:21 <MTughan> What about judges?

17:22 <MTughan> They're under legal obligation to be unbiased.

17:22 <CoderForLife>

17:22 <Romulus> <> (at

17:22 <CoderForLife> trying to find the dead reference

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17:26 <CoderForLife>

17:26 <Romulus> <> (at

17:27 <CoderForLife> dead voters are the backbone of Chicago politics

17:28 <CoderForLife> Q.E.D.

17:29 <MTughan> I wouldn't say they're all about "promoting a socialist agenda and stealing elections", but I would agree that seems to be the direction they've gone.

17:30 <CoderForLife> now you are beginning to see

17:33 <MTughan> Reading the comments on the second page, some say that that state requires government ID to actually vote. So what are the fraudulent ballots doing then?

17:33 <MTughan> If they are dead people, they still need to show ID to actually use them to vote.

17:38 <CoderForLife> the ID can be a number of things, including your utility bill

17:38 <CoderForLife> show something with a name and address that matches the voter roles

17:39 <CoderForLife> not including the use of absentee ballots

17:39 <CoderForLife> dead voters are the epitome of absent

17:40 <xcamel> lots of them in NY too

17:40 <CoderForLife> well enuf politics - the world has taken a dive off the deep end

17:40 <xcamel> seems that all 19 million are in NYC, and the rest of NY is a toxic wasteland

17:41 <CoderForLife> we discussed the need for rage over lunch - it'll come to that

17:41 <xcamel> a great book - the death of rage.

17:41 <CoderForLife> time to lighten up and Code my BOINC project =)

17:41 <xcamel> or was it the death of outrage...

17:42 <CoderForLife> same diff

17:43 <MTughan> Wow... If I'm seeing clouds of dust come out of my computer as they're dislodged, either it's been too long since I dusted last or it's too dusty in here.

17:43 <CoderForLife> or both

17:43 <MTughan> Or both, true.

17:44 * CoderForLife looks at the ceiling - at last he agrees with me on something

17:45 <MTughan> lol

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17:47 <xcamel> 'If you're a conservative at 20, you have no heart, if you're a liberal at 50, you have no brain"

17:47 <MTughan> Seems sometime these days that you're not voting for the person who's the best, but the person who's the least bad.

17:47 <bigt0242000> yep

17:47 <CoderForLife> the least worst choice

17:48 <bigt0242000> the lesser of 2 evils

17:48 <CoderForLife> the devil or the deep blue sea

17:48 <MTughan> Like PovAddict's choice of desktops... :P

17:49 <MTughan> GNOME, KDE 3.5, or KDE 4.2? They all suck.

17:49 <xcamel> election 2008 was a perfect storm of mass deception, and mass stupidity.

17:49 <MTughan> I don't find GNOME too bad, but I agree with him.

17:49 <CoderForLife> they got their change alright

17:49 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:50 <CoderForLife> OK - I gotta Code my way into a personal bailout

17:50 <CoderForLife> laterz

17:51 <xcamel> 'lo Doug, again.

17:51 <wdsmia> Home again

17:56 <PovAddict> MTughan: all software sucks

17:56 <PovAddict> [20:38] <CoderForLife> the ID can be a number of things, including your utility bill

17:56 <PovAddict> [20:38] <CoderForLife> show something with a name and address that matches the voter roles

17:57 <PovAddict> heh, that's an advantage of our mandatory ID

17:57 <xcamel> dirty politics... 3rd oldest profession

17:57 <MTughan> What's older?

17:57 <MTughan> Farmer and warrior?

17:58 <xcamel> prostitution, mercenary

17:58 <xcamel> in that order.

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18:21 * KathrynM waves a tired hello

18:21 <wdsmia> *lo KM

18:21 <Soul_keeper> :)

18:22 <xcamel> mornin K

18:23 <KathrynM> how's life?

18:24 <PovAddict> mew

18:25 <xcamel> cold here

18:26 <xcamel> (again)

18:32 * CoderOnTheCouch waves

18:34 * CoderOnTheCouch waves goddbye

18:34 <CoderOnTheCouch> er goodbye

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19:55 <xcamel> poof!

19:56 <wdsmia> piff

20:02 <CoderForLife> pufflooey

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20:05 <wdsmia> Gesundheit

20:06 <Soul_keeper> great

20:08 <CoderForLife> thag you berry buch

20:09 <CoderForLife> nitey-nite

20:09 <BadBarbarian> note

20:09 <BadBarbarian> nite

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20:21 <efc> Yo

20:22 <Soul_keeper> good work

20:30 <efc> It seems like Maple doesn't like any question I ask it

20:31 <Soul_keeper> you shouldn't talk to your wood like that ...

20:31 <MTughan> AMD is now two companies...

20:31 <Soul_keeper> yup

20:31 <Soul_keeper> did you notice spansion went bankrupt yesterday

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20:31 <Soul_keeper> that was their joint venture with fujitsu, think they owned 50% of it or something

20:31 <MTughan> Spansion?

20:32 <Soul_keeper> flash memory

20:32 <MTughan> Nope, I didn't...

20:32 <Tank_Master> anyone know how well the geforce 120 performs?

20:32 <efc> several minutes trying to integrate Int(arccos^2(c))

20:32 <Soul_keeper> they created that like 3yrs ago or so

20:32 <MTughan> Hasn't Qimonda filed for bankruptcy?

20:32 <Soul_keeper> hopefully the foundry won't go the same route

20:32 <MTughan> Tank_Master: You mean the card in the Mac Pro?

20:35 <Soul_keeper> there was an article on the spansion situation, think they fired the low level employee's with severence,  then gave the upper management a large bonus, then filed for bankrupcy

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20:45 <PovAddict>

20:45 <Romulus> <> (at

20:47 <Soul_keeper> lol

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21:01 <xcamel> re-hi

21:02 <xcamel> it's technically an albino.

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21:34 <jasong> This is off-topic, but I need a bit of help with something.  i've been telling everybody(everybody I know in the "real world") that I was going to spend $400 on an electric-powered bike when I'd saved up to a certain amount of "mad money."  The thing is, when I googled "electric bike" a few days ago, a quick search found some bikes, but they were priced in the thousands of dollars.   Am I off my rocker to think I can get an electric bike for under, say, $600?

21:37 <jasong> nm, I found one for $800, so I probably just found one that was really cheap a while back

21:38 <jasong> Sorry, people, but my brain disorder sometimes makes me believe things that aren't true, and I wasn't sure this time

21:39 <PovAddict> heh

21:39 <PovAddict> do you really have a brain disorder?

21:44 <jasong> Paranoid schizophrenia

21:45 <jasong> That's why I work a KFC even though I have an IQ of about 120

21:46 <jasong> I took a test in the ninth grade, and ended up scoring in the 98th percentile in about half the stuff

21:47 <jasong> I wish I could learn a bit of discipline, because I bet I could do a lot for the BOINC community if I were to learn programming and do things at my own pace

21:48 <jasong> Right now, my biggest problem is that I was lazy when I got sick, and it's only about 15 years later(2 years ago) that I've been in a position where I feel like I could cope with a real job

21:48 <jasong> It's easy to be lazy when everyone knows you're really sick

21:48 <PovAddict> sick?

21:48 <jasong> Now I have to unlearn all those habits

21:49 <jasong> I call my mental illness a sickness.

21:49 <jasong> brain sickness

21:49 <jasong> Not technically medically accurate, but it helps me deal with it

21:50 <jasong> I'll be around people, if anyone wants to continue this coversation, but I'll be surfing the www

21:55 <jasong> Oh, interesting note on paranoid schizophrenia:  People with schizophrenia are a lot less likely to get cancer.  Schizophrenia is connected to cell death(brain cells in particular), while cancer is connected to overproduction of cells.  So if a paranoid schizophrenic smokes to deal with their illness, they're less likely to get cancer than someone with the same habits

21:56 <PovAddict> but better not to smoke

21:57 <MTughan> Sometimes can't be avoided if people keep smoking right outside your building...

21:57 <jasong> Yeah, I don't smoke

21:57 <jasong> With me it's diet soda

21:58 <MTughan> The annoying thing is that there are signs saying people cannot smoke within 10 meters of any door. Do they read that? No.

21:58 <PovAddict> you should see our trains

21:58 <PovAddict> smoking inside the train is, of course, forbidden

21:58 <jasong> Another interesting thing is why do smokers think it's ok to throw their butts on the ground?

21:59 <PovAddict> so people smoke standing at the door

21:59 <PovAddict> when the train is about to leave, they throw the cig and walk in

21:59 <PovAddict> 1. while they were smoking at the door, smoke went in

21:59 <MTughan> And then blow out the last puff in the train?

21:59 <PovAddict> 2. when they get in, and the door closes, they exhale the smoke they have in their lungs

21:59 <jasong> Are the trains computer controlled?

22:00 <jasong> Because if they're controlled by a human, they're risking being left behind

22:00 <PovAddict> lol I wonder if there is any computer inside the station

22:00 <MTughan> Smokers are probably some of the obnoxious people on the planet IMO...

22:00 <PovAddict> btw, real arrival times of our trains are great as random number generators

22:00 <jasong> Well, the American space shuttle is run by a computer with 4 MB of RAM

22:01 <jasong> It wouldn't take much RAM to do a super-specialized task like running a train

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22:27 <DrBashir> hi

22:27 <MTughan> 'lo DrBashir

22:27 <DrBashir> i have a dualcore with hypertrading. boinc starts 4 seti processes but only 2 cores give it

22:28 <DrBashir> can i limit it to two

22:28 <DrBashir> i use boinc cmd

22:28 <MTughan> Dual core with HT? A Pentium D?

22:28 <DrBashir> hi MTughan

22:28 <DrBashir> MTughan: no a dualcore atom cpu

22:28 <MTughan> Ah, Atom...

22:29 <DrBashir>

22:29 <Romulus> <> (at

22:29 <MTughan> I know how to do it from the GUI, let me see if I can find it from boinc_cmd or configuration files.

22:29 <DrBashir> when i turn off in the prefs the right quadcore use only 2 cores

22:29 <DrBashir> MTughan: gui dont work

22:29 <DrBashir> :(

22:30 <MTughan> Yep, so I'm looking at another way.

22:30 <DrBashir> ah ok thx

22:30 <DrBashir> i think that 4 tasks slows the wus

22:31 <MTughan> True, each WU would go slower, but it's not twice as slow.

22:31 <MTughan> So with 4 WUs running at once, the mean time per WU is higher, but the throughput is higher.

22:32 <wdsmia> normaly about 20% higher

22:32 <DrBashir> global_prefs.xml

22:32 <DrBashir> there are 4 cpus

22:32 <DrBashir> i edit it now to two

22:33 <DrBashir> wdsmia: why its hypertrading

22:33 <MTughan> Hyperthreading.

22:33 <MTughan> Means that the CPU can run two thread using just one processor, with the second thread using possibly ununsed resources from the first thread.

22:33 <MTughan> two threads8

22:34 <MTughan> threads*

22:34 <MTughan> I can't type tonight...

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22:35 <MTughan> So while that means that each thread gets less resources than it would using one thread, the processor is used more.

22:35 <MTughan> So it can get more work done in the same amount of time.

22:35 <wdsmia> 20% gain was for the P4 that atom?

22:35 <MTughan> As wdsmia said, about 20% more work.

22:35 <DrBashir> the edit dont work :(

22:36 <wdsmia> err the

22:36 <DrBashir> no error

22:36 <DrBashir> but 4 tasks

22:36 <MTughan> Yeah, that file would be automatically overwritten by BOINC.

22:36 <MTughan> Try this:

22:36 <DrBashir> ok is better i run it with 4 tasks?

22:36 <MTughan> 1) Shut down BOINC

22:37 <MTughan> Yeah, it's better overall if you run 4 tasks.

22:37 <DrBashir> i dont know but i have think its slower with 4 tasks that 2

22:37 <wdsmia> that will do it lol

22:37 <DrBashir> hehe ok

22:37 <MTughan> I was going to post more steps...

22:37 <DrBashir> its not overwritten but ignored

22:37 <MTughan> Oh... Did you shut down BOINC before you edited the file?

22:38 <DrBashir> yes

22:38 <DrBashir> killall boinc

22:38 <DrBashir> ps x no process runs

22:38 <MTughan> What OS are you using?

22:38 <DrBashir> debian lenny (5)

22:38 <MTughan> Killing BOINC isn't exactly the best was to shut it down...

22:38 <MTughan> If you have an init.d script, use that.

22:38 <DrBashir> what is the right way?

22:38 <DrBashir> i havent

22:38 <DrBashir> i have problems with the pack

22:38 <MTughan> Did you install from a package or from source?

22:39 <DrBashir> i must start it in a special dir without it dont start

22:39 <MTughan> So downloaded binaries then...

22:39 <DrBashir> yes with the source works

22:39 <MTughan> I think there's a boinc_cmd option to shut it down.

22:39 <DrBashir> i dont why it is to complicatet to run it but i have the same probs on fedora10 and centos

22:39 <DrBashir> source is the better way

22:40 <DrBashir> i use ./run_client --daemon

22:43 <DrBashir> AK_V8_linux32_ssse3 <- the spezial version can i use for seti on the atom too

22:45 <PovAddict> so i'm looking for info on internet addiction on wikipedia from my ipod touch when i should be sleeping

22:46 <PovAddict> not sure if i should call that ironic or stupid

22:46 <MTughan> Want to help DrBashir? You have more experience in Linux than I do.

22:46 <PovAddict> IRC fromxhere is teh pain

22:46 <DrBashir> my english is very poor

22:46 <DrBashir> hehe

22:46 <DrBashir> what is the problem?

22:46 <Romulus> the problem is that "WorldCommunityGrid" is viewed by gridrepublic as a single project in the resource partition process, DrBashir

22:47 * PovAddict sits on the bot

22:47 <DrBashir> hm Romulus is a bot?

22:47 <DrBashir> i will ignore it now

22:47 <DrBashir> Romulus: you are ignored

22:47 <Romulus> DrBashir: Are you daft?

22:48 <DrBashir> megahal?

22:48 <MTughan> Supybot.

22:48 <DrBashir> ah ok

22:48 <DrBashir> ;)

22:48 <DrBashir> MTughan: ok what is the problem

22:48 <PovAddict> 'noying

22:49 <PovAddict> the problem is 42

22:49 <DrBashir> hm

22:50 <DrBashir> my english is very poor sorry i cant understand you

22:50 <PovAddict> why dont I go to sleep?? at this rate ill die young

22:51 <PovAddict> I really do get withdrawal symptoms sometimes... power outages are the worst

22:57 <jasong> !google 42 band

22:57 <jasong> &google 42 band

22:57 <Romulus> jasong: Search took 0.20 seconds: Level 42 Band Members @ []: <>; Ocean Terminator DCM18/ 42 Band Saw Specifications: <>; Starrett Powerband M- 42 Band Saw Blades: <>; 42 band t-shirts brand new $450 - Clothes for sale (3 more messages)

22:57 <jasong> damn, didn't get what I wanted

22:59 <jasong> &google 42 band jeremy goatcher

22:59 <Romulus> jasong: Search took 0.52 seconds: Pete McPherson on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures ...: <>; Mare Wakefield on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures ...: <>; The Wesleyan: (3 more messages)

22:59 <jasong> there we go

23:00 <jasong> My brother used to be in a band called 42, but, apparently, other people have had the same idea for a band name

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