IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-03-04

00:18 <ebo> Hello, I have a problem were I appear to be dropping roughly 50% of my finished tasks.  I have spent a few hours poking around and have some questions on how certain aspects of the client/server works.  Is this a good time/place for such discussions?

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01:02 <jasong> This is a great place for that, but apparrently no one who can help is around at the moment.  I suggest staying in the channel and asking again if you see your question scroll off the screen.

01:05 <up365> 3 degrees F geez ,1st a snowstorm now below freezing but not close to the real absolute zero ;)

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01:09 <ebo> jasong: thanks... maybe I should try again tomorrow.

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01:36 <Soul_keeper> i hate people

01:36 <Soul_keeper> everyone

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03:14 <up365> Even dead people

03:22 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 23.1°F / -4.9°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1026.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 15 to 20. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. (1 more message)

03:23 <CoderForLife> &more

03:23 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Warmer with lows in the lower 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

03:51 <FreeLarry> ahh me o my just noticed my third project broke 1m

03:52 <CoderForLife> success is hard to accept?

03:52 <FreeLarry> lol success dont think so vista keeps reminding me its all faulty - think i will have to replace the guts of that machine with a different mb

03:54 <CoderForLife> glad to see your getting a "return on your investment"

03:54 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast-something-or-other

03:54 <FreeLarry> k

03:55 <FreeLarry> yeah i think the i7 fedora 10 best machine here

03:57 <FreeLarry> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_18923.gif

03:57 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8jhky7> (at www.boincstats.com)

03:59 <efc> &wx 31088

03:59 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 30°F / -1°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.41in / 1030hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the lower 30s. Light and variable winds.; Thursday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. South winds 5 to 15 mph.; Flood Warning for Houston County in effect (1 more message)

03:59 <efc> &more

03:59 <Romulus> efc: until 1:00 PM EST on March 04, 2009;

04:03 <CoderForLife> moo

04:05 <efc> yo

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04:26 * efc looks at the bewildering array of video cards and gives up

04:32 <efc> How is the crap-filled tornado looking over there?

04:33 * CoderForLife looks around

04:33 <CoderForLife> I agree the house looks bad but...

04:34 <efc> Pardon my language. That should be turd-tornado.

04:34 <efc> A couple days ago the water went out at work. Hehe...

04:34 <CoderForLife> tornado is a bit strong - I prefer "vortex of despair"

04:36 <efc> we're in the death march phase of my project

04:36 <efc> have been for a while

04:37 <CoderForLife> the long slog toward dissipation

04:37 <efc> I hate it

04:37 <efc> I must have been totally evil in some past life

04:37 <CoderForLife> you're supposed to

04:37 <CoderForLife> it is designed to rob you of all hope and dignity

04:38 <efc> I hate the project. Ever heard of JOVIAL?

04:38 <CoderForLife> lol  yes = that's the language you code in if you want your space probe to miss it's target

04:41 <CoderForLife> Venus, iirc

04:41 <efc> There's a target? That wasn't on the flowchart.

04:41 <CoderForLife> that's the thing at the other end of the gun

04:42 <efc> this thing cost a lot more than a space probe

04:42 <CoderForLife> Wrong end, efc!!

04:42 <efc> billions

04:43 <CoderForLife> yeah, a space probe at $500m would just be decimal dust

04:43 <CoderForLife> a rounding error

04:43 <efc> "As of 1961, space probes have been launched toward Venus" - toward - impressive

04:45 <CoderForLife> in the general direction of

04:45 <XioNYC> Cut 'em some slack: it wasn't too long ago that we sent satellites *toward* Mars.

04:45 <XioNYC> Plus we've sent numerous satellites to nowhere carrying pictures of naked people.

04:45 <CoderForLife> for the inner solar system, it's easier - "look for the sun and fire"

04:46 <efc> Which probe was this? Or roughly when

04:46 <CoderForLife> Voyager iirc

04:46 <efc> with the JOVIAL error I mean

04:46 <efc> pioneer had the porn

04:46 <CoderForLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record

04:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/j4ukz> (at en.wikipedia.org)

04:46 <XioNYC> The Mars Surveyor (IIRC); Pioneer, Voyagers I, II, and Trek.

04:47 <CoderForLife> hmm

04:48 <CoderForLife> I thought Voyager had the man and woman depiction

04:48 <XioNYC> "Depiction", "naked people"... same diff ;-P

04:49 <XioNYC> (And before the Trekk[ie|or]s start complaining: it was the sweeps, the plot was aimless, and the only thing making ST:V worthwhile was 7 of 9's figure)

04:49 * XioNYC has said it. And feels good about it.

04:50 <efc> quit talking boobs in space.. what about the JOVIAL error

04:50 <XioNYC> Deprecated.  Now let's go back to boobs, please? :-D

04:51 <efc> oh well, i have 100,000 lines of JOVIAL errors to deal with on Earth

04:52 <CoderForLife> I'm looking, efc

04:53 <efc> Ada only blows up rockets

04:53 <XioNYC> I don't suppose it'd be possible to refactor the project into something other than JOVIAL...

04:53 <CoderForLife> does Jovial have implicit type conversion for variables starting with I through N, like FORTRAN?

04:53 <efc> that is the project

04:54 <efc> Umm, no

04:54 <CoderForLife> hmm

04:54 <CoderForLife> maybe was a FORTRAN error back in the day

04:54 <efc> JOVIAL was 70s, maybe early 80s era

04:55 <CoderForLife> iirc, a floating point number was assigned to an integer variable, causing the probe to miss Venus due to truncation

04:55 <efc> sounds like an isolated incident

04:55 <CoderForLife> very isolated - somewhere inside the orbit of Venus  =)

04:57 <CoderForLife> one recent "isolated" example: http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1185

04:57 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bnw35o> (at www.spaceref.com)

04:57 <CoderForLife> suicide software

04:59 <efc> I imagine with those long term projects, after a while you get the B team running things

04:59 <efc> then they go and upload a steamer

05:03 <efc> mil stf 1750a cpu, nice

05:03 <XioNYC> All my searches for JOVIAL code snippets turn up zilch.  Then again, it's 5AM and I'm tired from working all night long.

05:05 <efc> well, the 1750A was often used with JOVIAL, so could be it

05:05 <efc> I wonder if space software is gold plated garbage too

05:06 <XioNYC> As I recall, the MIL-1750-A spec was intentionally not specific about the processor so much as its features.  Kinda like [M]MIX, but without the "Knuthiness".

05:07 <efc> Another brilliant cost saving measure by the air force.. might have actually worked that time.

05:08 <efc> for the record, I've done Nova too

05:10 <XioNYC> If you've worked on FlightLinux, I've got some questions to ask you.

05:11 <CoderForLife> enuf for me about "dead languages walking" - time to get ready for w@#%

05:12 <efc> Nope, don't know of any flying linuxes myself

05:12 <efc> VXWorks popular for that

05:16 * XioNYC shrugs shoulders

05:16 <XioNYC> You never know.

05:21 <efc> maybe on the very non critical stuff

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05:45 <xcamel> boo

05:55 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

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07:17 <hawmps> &more

07:17 <Romulus> hawmps: in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Cold with highs in the mid 30s. Light and variable winds... becoming south around 5 mph in the afternoon.;

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08:49 <ELGono> rehi

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10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:15:39  Re-reading cc_config.xml

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:15:39  Number of usable CPUs has changed from 2 to 3.  Running benchmarks.

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:15:39  Running CPU benchmarks

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:15:39  Suspending computation - running CPU benchmarks

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:16:10  Benchmark results:

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:16:10     Number of CPUs: 3

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:16:10     2424 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:16:10     5291 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:16:11  Resuming computation

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:16:11 SETI@home Starting 08ja09ab.21209.20109.12.8.248_1

10:17 <ELGono> 04.03.2009 16:16:11 SETI@home Starting task 08ja09ab.21209.20109.12.8.248_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 608

10:18 <ELGono> finally found the correct setting ;) ... dualcore running 2 seti (SSE3) units plus one cuda

10:20 <ELGono> <cc_config>

10:20 <ELGono> <options>

10:20 <ELGono> <ncpus>3</ncpus>

10:20 <ELGono> </options>

10:20 <ELGono> </cc_config>

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11:32 <Tank_Master> ELGono - all you had to do was upgrade boinc to the 6.6.x for it to run both at once corretly

11:33 <Tank_Master> in your config, it will sometimes run 3 CPU tasks at once

11:36 <ELGono> it worked in 6.6.11

11:36 <ELGono> but added app_info for sse3 support

11:36 <Tank_Master> you shouldnt need to set it or 3 CPUs in 6.6.x

11:37 <ELGono> if using that its needs: <ncpus>NUMBER_OF_LOGICAL_PROCESSORS+NUMBER_OF_GPUs</ncpus>

11:37 <Tank_Master> no

11:37 <ELGono> so far it worked really well

11:37 <Tank_Master> it knows to treate GPUs seperate

11:38 <Tank_Master> if you take out that line, itll still run 3 tasks

11:38 <ELGono> without it i just get 1 processor and 1 cuda

11:38 <Tank_Master> 2 CPUs and a cuda

11:38 <Tank_Master> shouldnt

11:38 <Tank_Master> dosent on mine

11:38 <ELGono> with ncpus 3 = 2 cores 1 cuda

11:38 <Tank_Master> Im running 4 MW tasks and a gpugrid

11:38 <ELGono> ;)

11:39 <Tank_Master> and my nCPUs is set to 4

11:39 <ELGono> need to catch up in seti ...

11:39 <ELGono> someone broke my overall score :/

11:39 <Tank_Master> have you tried 6.6.12?

11:39 <ELGono> not yet

11:39 <ELGono> just finished with ncpu stuff

11:40 <ELGono> and another unit done ;)

11:46 <jackygrahamez> think I can get a mini pre-installed with vista and linux through bootcamp?

11:47 <MTughan> Not from Apple.

11:50 <Tank_Master> jackygrahamez!

11:50 <Tank_Master> wazz up?

11:52 <jackygrahamez> hi

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11:57 <Pinchiukas> why the fuck do I have three rosettas running if I said I have two cpu cores?

11:57 <wdsmia> asks Pinchiukas to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

11:57 <ELGono> friend bought an imac last week

11:57 <Pinchiukas> and of course one rosetta is idle just sitting there eating ram

11:57 <ELGono> now mac had dropped prices by 35%

11:59 <Tank_Master> if you have "leave app in memory" set to no, it wont eat up ram

11:59 <MTughan> Pinchiukas: Are all three "Running" or is one set to "Waiting to run"?

12:00 <Pinchiukas> it is set to no and it's not the setting that matters Tank_Master because it's about when boinc is suspended

12:00 <Pinchiukas> MTughan: waiting for memory

12:01 <Pinchiukas> I have 4 tasks with this status already

12:01 <Pinchiukas> thank god only one sits in the memory

12:05 <MTughan> Pinchiukas: What OS are you on?

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12:06 <Tank-Master> wtf?

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12:09 <Tank_Master> dats better

12:09 <Pinchiukas> MTughan: winxp

12:12 <MTughan> Can you check how many cores BOINC thinks it has? Should be at the top of the Messages, by processor.

12:12 <MTughan> Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11]

12:12 <MTughan> On my machine.

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12:36 <Pinchiukas> 26/02/2009 13:19:10||Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T5600  @ 1.83GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6]

12:43 <MTughan> Pinchiukas: Can you check if there's a file called cc_config.xml in BOINC's data directory?

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12:45 <Pinchiukas> MTughan: where is the boinc data directory?

12:47 <Pinchiukas> there is no cc_config.xml on my C: disk

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13:23 <Soul_keeper> http://directory.fsf.org/    anyone see a submission form on this website ?

13:23 <Romulus> Title: Welcome! - Free Software Directory - Free Software Foundation (at directory.fsf.org)

13:26 <MTughan> Submission form for what?

13:27 <mydog2> hey... how do i kill boinc on linux.. killing the ps process didn't work..

13:32 <up365> myd

13:32 <up365> mydog2,  use htop

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13:33 <Soul_keeper> maybe i have to be a paying member to submitt to the directory listing

13:35 <mydog2> got it to stop... thanks...

13:37 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [03:07:176] Shadow Of The Reaper .:. Six Feet Under .:. 13 .:. Track 06

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13:56 <ELGono> <cc_config>

13:56 <ELGono> <options>

13:56 <ELGono> <ncpus>4npus>

13:56 <ELGono> </options>

13:56 <ELGono> </cc_config>

13:57 <ELGono> Pinchiukas : add this to a file named cc_config.xml

13:57 <ELGono> <cc_config>

13:57 <ELGono> <options>

13:57 <ELGono> <ncpus>4<ncpus>

13:57 <ELGono> </options>

13:57 <ELGono> </cc_config>

13:57 <ELGono> first one had a typo

13:58 <ELGono> but this might confuse cuda work on your maschine if any

13:59 <MTughan> ELGono: IIRC, he has a dual core and it's running three Rosetta WUs.

14:01 <ELGono> upsi ... in that case ncpu = 2

14:03 <jackygrahamez_> is it possible to create a boinc screensaver using java?

14:06 <ELGono> if it just should show some progress data and selfgenerated graphics... no problem

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14:21 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

14:22 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: it's possible but why on earth would you want to do that?

14:23 <PovAddict> [14:37] <ELGono> if using that its needs: <ncpus>NUMBER_OF_LOGICAL_PROCESSORS+NUMBER_OF_GPUs</ncpus>

14:23 <jackygrahamez_> I'm just looking at available code for molecular visualization, jmol is a popular one

14:23 <PovAddict> ARGH EVERYONE STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO HACK NCPUS

14:23 <Tank_Master> no shit

14:23 <wdsmia> asks Tank_Master to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

14:23 <Tank_Master> Ive been trying to tell ELGono that but he wont listen

14:25 <jackygrahamez_> I'd rather not write everything from scratch, but i guess I could.

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14:43 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: what's the file format?

14:43 <PovAddict> pdb?

14:43 <jackygrahamez_> yes

14:43 <jackygrahamez_> pdb

14:44 <jackygrahamez_> you know of any c++ code for visualizing?

14:44 <jackygrahamez_> ideally something with opengl?

14:44 <PovAddict> searching exactly that

14:44 <jackygrahamez_> I see lots of python stuff

14:45 <jackygrahamez_> I've been trying to compile pymol for the last couple days with no luck

14:46 <jackygrahamez_> VMD is another posibility but again it has lots of python and tcl/tk dependencies

14:46 <PovAddict> if it's not in a compiled language, it has to be simple...

14:47 <PovAddict> I have written something that lets you make BOINC *science apps* in Python

14:47 <PovAddict> with no process-level wrapper

14:48 <jackygrahamez_> I'm open to using python, like i said, pymol has given me a hard time trying compile

14:48 <PovAddict> compiled python code?

14:48 <jackygrahamez_> well it actually has two options

14:49 <jackygrahamez_> I could use their setup.py build or their make install approach

14:49 <jackygrahamez_> both failed on me.

14:49 <jackygrahamez_> I got al kinds of glut errors

14:49 <jackygrahamez_> As far as I could tell I had all the cygwin glut libraries

14:50 <jackygrahamez_> so maybe I ought to try mingw but every time I every try compiling something in mingw it fails

14:51 <PovAddict> python on mingw is very problematic

14:51 <jackygrahamez_> python setup.py build install

14:51 <jackygrahamez_> error message http://pastebin.com/m4f1e3017

14:51 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

14:51 <jackygrahamez_> make install

14:51 <jackygrahamez_> error message http://pastebin.com/m79f13c1e

14:51 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

14:52 <PovAddict> strange, you *are* linking glut32

14:52 <jackygrahamez_> Here are the directions for cygwin

14:52 <jackygrahamez_> http://www.pymolwiki.org/index.php/Windows_Install

14:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cwhkuj> (at www.pymolwiki.org)

14:53 <jackygrahamez_> could I be missing a python module?

14:53 <jackygrahamez_> what is this png?

14:54 <PovAddict> libpng probably

14:54 <PovAddict> anyway, I found QuteMol

14:54 <PovAddict> C++

14:54 <PovAddict> and looks quite realistic

14:54 <PovAddict> http://qutemol.sourceforge.net/sidetoside/

14:54 <Romulus> Title: QuteMol: Side to Side (at qutemol.sourceforge.net)

14:55 <jackygrahamez_> wow I spent hours search source forge

14:56 <PovAddict> gotta see if it's a program or can be used as a library

14:57 <PovAddict> QuteMol requires FBO support on the graphics card and driver... I'll keep looking to see if I can find something else that doesn't look as fancy

15:03 <jackygrahamez_> what's FBO?

15:05 <PovAddict> FrameBuffer Objects

15:07 <jackygrahamez_> ahh I see

15:08 <jackygrahamez_> so are you worried that may interfere with gpu computations?

15:08 <PovAddict> the less GPU usage the better

15:08 <PovAddict> but also

15:08 <PovAddict> older GPUs won't be able to show your screensaver at all

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15:34 <PovAddict> PyMOL isn't realtime

15:36 <jackygrahamez_> I'm trying to compile that qutemol but having trouble with one of its dependencies

15:37 <jackygrahamez_> vcglib

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15:48 <xcamel> 'lo

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15:50 <Tank_Master> 'lo

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16:09 <xcamel> well.. it warmed up a little..

16:09 <xcamel> 26F

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16:19 <jackygrahamez_> bye-bye

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16:19 <Tank_Master> tc

16:20 <Tank_Master> or not

16:24 <xcamel> 6.6.11 has a serious slow response streak

16:25 <PovAddict> slow response in what way?

16:25 <PovAddict> hanged UI?

16:25 <PovAddict> taking forever to get work?

16:29 <CoderForLife> hi

16:29 <Tank_Master> howdy cfl

16:30 <CoderForLife> hey Tank_Master

16:41 <CoderForLife> &ping

16:41 <Romulus> pong

16:44 <xcamel> afternoon..

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17:01 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [00:44:011] Murdured In The Basement .:. Six Feet Under .:. Bringer Of Blood .:. Track 04

17:07 <CoderForLife> [PLAYING] [00:10:012] Hallelujah Chorus .:. Greatest Hits .:. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir .:. Track 12

17:07 <PovAddict> o.0

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17:08 <CoderForLife> something a little more uplifting =)

17:08 <Soul_keeper> lol

17:09 <CoderForLife> OK - off to the car dealer to fix my window

17:09 <CoderForLife> laterz doodz

17:09 <CoderForLife> and doodette

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17:29 <Fwerp> anyone alive?

17:33 <MTughan> Yep.

17:34 <MTughan> Fwerp: Question about BOINC?

17:35 <Soul_keeper> he's probably just lonely MTughan

17:35 <MTughan> Like you?

17:35 <Soul_keeper> sure

17:36 <desti> you are alone? http://www.okcupid.com/profile/Attr_abort

17:36 <Romulus> Title: OkCupid.com: Attr_abort / 22 / f / straight / Jacksonville, Florida, United States (at www.okcupid.com)

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17:37 <Soul_keeper> nice one

17:38 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, actually i got a blonde that wants to take me out to dinner right now,    BYE.

17:38 <MTughan> :P

17:39 <MTughan> I'm working on a Pacman clone.

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17:54 <Fwerp> yes i have a question

17:54 <Fwerp> !

17:54 <Fwerp> i installed boinc on like a bunch of pc's and the only one that is running in enhanced multibeam is an amd machine

17:55 <Fwerp> doin the whole seti berkley thing

17:55 <PovAddict> and the rest what?

17:55 <Fwerp> te rest show  just astropulse

17:56 <Fwerp> no doodly red bar all wavey.... just regular astropulse

17:56 <PovAddict> it's quite random

17:56 <PovAddict> if you only want one app, go to http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project

17:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bhv3oc> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

18:01 <xcamel> that's pretty easy to change..

18:01 <Fwerp> i looked everywhere

18:01 <Fwerp> lol

18:01 <Fwerp> thanks

18:01 <Fwerp> i googled for ages wondering why that machine used enhanced and the others didnt...

18:03 <xcamel> seti is odd that way...

18:04 <Fwerp> GenuineIntel

18:04 <Fwerp> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 2]

18:04 <Fwerp> (2 processors)

18:04 <Fwerp> just added that one

18:04 <Fwerp> w00t.... wish i had some quad cores to throw down

18:04 <MTughan> Core 2 Duo, 65nm process. Slower proc, but not bad.

18:04 <Fwerp> was cheap

18:05 <MTughan> Got two C2Ds running myself, but both are 45nm and higher clocked.

18:05 <Fwerp> it's water cooled and runnin with some nice ram

18:05 <MTughan> OC'd any?

18:05 <Fwerp> msi platinum 750i, yes oc'd when im near it

18:05 <Fwerp> lol

18:05 <MTughan> :P

18:05 <Fwerp> can go 3.2 a core for ye old crysis, i love that machine

18:06 <MTughan> Almost hit what my quad does... Got a Q6600 here, up to 3.26GHz with a Zalman 9500.

18:06 <Fwerp> this machine im on a cd2

18:06 <Fwerp> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz [x86 Family

18:06 <Fwerp> mmm

18:07 <Fwerp> the q66 is so nice to oc ive never had one die

18:07 <MTughan> As long as you have the G0 and not the B3 stepping.

18:07 <Fwerp> anywho the 6300 i posted a min ago has TWO 9600's in it so  i hope it abuses them...

18:08 <Fwerp> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6]

18:08 <MTughan> Do you have BOINC 6.4.x or higher installed on the machine?

18:08 <Fwerp> i took this one out of a military d830 from dell was listed as a 700$ cpu at the time

18:08 <Fwerp> i installed it for the first time on this machine 2 days ago fresh from the webby

18:09 <Fwerp> and on all the other machines today fresh from webby

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18:09 <Fwerp> is there a way i can share my list of pc's i have up?

18:09 <Fwerp> laptop is runnin its butt off lol

18:11 <MTughan> What's your SETI username? Fwerp?

18:11 <Fwerp> um

18:12 <xcamel> nice catfight started on the boinc_beta list...

18:12 <Fwerp> i forgot...

18:12 <xcamel> David getting a good beating...

18:12 <Fwerp> its waffle

18:12 <MTughan> It should say in the Project tab in BOINC, under the Account column.

18:12 <Fwerp> Waffle :)

18:13 <Fwerp> my team is a local college

18:13 <MTughan> Wow... Lots of users with the name Waffle.

18:13 <Fwerp> o no'a

18:13 <MTughan> Rose-Hulman?

18:13 <Fwerp> ya

18:13 <MTughan> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9040939

18:13 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b7772x> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

18:14 <Fwerp> so im not the only waffle....

18:14 <XioNYC> &wx LGA

18:14 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 30.31in / 1026hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 16 to 22. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. North winds around 5 mph...becoming south in the afternoon.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. Not as cold with lows in the (1 more message)

18:14 <Fwerp> changed it to fwerp

18:14 <XioNYC> &more

18:14 <Romulus> XioNYC: mid 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

18:14 <MTughan> Fwerp: Literally or figuratively?

18:15 <Fwerp> just edited it in pref. user now named Fwerp

18:17 <Fwerp> how efficient is the whole network anywho?

18:17 <MTughan> Which, BOINC's?

18:17 <Fwerp> ya, what makes all these pc's crunch... besides the bandwidth that ppl @ home provide, the connectivity between everything

18:17 <Fwerp> is it stable?

18:18 <MTughan> Mostly.

18:18 <MTughan> It can get ugly if you start digging into how it actually communicates, but it's been like that for so long that it works quite well.

18:18 <Fwerp> ye

18:19 <Fwerp> build and build and build on the old stuff

18:19 <Fwerp> eek

18:19 <MTughan> You got it.

18:19 <Fwerp> i imagine its like adding a whole other layer to the internet

18:20 <Fwerp> how do they route it all?

18:20 <MTughan> Something like why IPv4 needs to be replaced, we have IPv6 to replace it, but IPv4 is still around.

18:20 <MTughan> I believe it's all over HTTP requests.

18:20 <MTughan> XML for data communication, although not particularly standard XML.

18:21 <Fwerp> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9040939 <-- cool huh?

18:21 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b7772x> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

18:21 <Fwerp> the 9600's are sli'd

18:22 <MTughan> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/hosts_user.php?userid=21972

18:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bhr434> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

18:22 <MTughan> It doesn't say it, but I also have a monster graphics card. ATI Radeon HD4870.

18:22 <MTughan> 50-70K/day on that project there.

18:23 <Fwerp> oooo x64 nice

18:24 <Fwerp> im using what is laying round my shop... i dont have  much fancy gear

18:24 <MTughan> Oh yeah... It doesn't show the full OS... I'm running BOINC 6.2.19, which doesn't have proper detection for Windows 7.

18:24 <Fwerp> fast ram etc.. but no wicked cpu's

18:24 <MTughan> That's only my fourth computer, and only the second that I've built.

18:24 <Fwerp> if W7 doesnt work any better than vista ima be so sad

18:25 <Fwerp> not bad not bad

18:25 <Fwerp> i build hundreds

18:25 <MTughan> And I'm 18. :P

18:25 <Fwerp> got a little gaming pc shop

18:25 <Fwerp> coo

18:25 <Fwerp> <--26

18:25 <MTughan> Ah, very nice. Explains the SLI'd graphics.

18:25 <Fwerp> i order everything on the spot and smoke alot of herb so i dont keep much inventory around...

18:26 <Fwerp> when i build something sweet its cause someone wants to take it home

18:26 <Fwerp> not to the point i can keep around wolfdales and 9800's

18:26 <Fwerp> or even some i7 stuff WOW

18:26 <Fwerp> love using it though

18:26 <MTughan> That must suck sometimes... Building sweet hardware all day long, and you never really get a chance with it.

18:26 <Fwerp> :)

18:27 <Fwerp> NEVER

18:27 <Fwerp> i keep em for an extra week sometimes

18:27 <MTughan> xD

18:27 <Fwerp> so i can play a new game

18:27 <Fwerp> my fav. system was a dual 9800gtx system cause i cooled the gpu's, pre/post/cpu everything

18:27 <MTughan> BTW, my GPU is roughly equivalent to a GeForce GTX260 Core 216 in games, according to most of the reviews I've read.

18:27 <Fwerp> three zalmans hooked up tooit

18:28 <MTughan> Very nice indeed...

18:28 <Fwerp> the 4870 is nice dude

18:28 <Fwerp> i didnt ike how the 4870 sync'd with my tv buttttttt

18:28 <Fwerp> it was nice

18:28 <MTughan> What connection? HDMI, DVI, VGA, component?

18:28 <Fwerp> i still prefer my x1600 on the mce system...

18:29 <Fwerp> dvi to dvi

18:29 <Fwerp> then dvi to compo.

18:29 <Fwerp> both were decent

18:29 <Fwerp> i think it was the TV imo

18:30 <Fwerp> sooooo running in 64 bit, does it help THAT much?

18:30 <Fwerp> still never tried it to the day...

18:30 <MTughan> With some projects.

18:31 <MTughan> ABC@Home does computation about twice as fast on 64-bit machines, but gives the same credit.

18:31 <Fwerp> oo

18:31 <xcamel> 64 bit helps alot

18:31 <Fwerp> all the machines on my list but the one im on.... are connected to a 1.5MB down 750KB up cable line

18:32 <xcamel> noting pete/repete hosts

18:32 <Fwerp> bandwidth an issue or am i over compinsating?

18:32 <xcamel> the network speed isn't that big a deal..

18:32 <Fwerp> k

18:32 <Fwerp> how many u think i can run per line?

18:33 <xcamel> crunching speed, and lack of comp errors is

18:33 <PovAddict> see yourself the size of the input/output files and how long it takes to compute

18:33 <MTughan> I'm running four BOINC machines through a single 10Mbit line.

18:33 <xcamel> 7 through business class cable

18:34 <Fwerp> how big is the output/input... ive never watched installed it on a few machines and googled and came in here

18:34 <xcamel> all multi-core crunchers

18:34 <Fwerp> cant wait to see a creidt or something change on my stats lol

18:38 <xcamel> it will... give it time...

18:44 <Fwerp> so like.... whats a good way to determine how many projects i should have?

18:44 <Fwerp> running

18:46 <xcamel> how much asprin do you have?

18:49 <Fwerp> alot

18:52 <xcamel> do the projects that interest you.. skip the rest, it just wastes time and energy

18:53 <Fwerp> oooo... seti

18:55 <xcamel> milkyway, einstein, etc

19:12 <Fwerp> bbiab

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19:13 <PovAddict> [21:17] <Fwerp> is it stable?

19:14 <PovAddict> it has always been kind of unstable

19:14 <PovAddict> since they added GPU support, it's volatile

19:15 <xcamel> and somewhat infantile

19:15 <wdsmia> don't sugar coat it

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19:28 <Fwerp> bomb diggity

19:30 <xcamel> oh.. Hi Doug

19:30 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

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19:36 <Fwerp> my dual 9600 machine got me points!

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19:36 <Fwerp> it was the last one to go up tonight too

19:37 <Fwerp> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9040939

19:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b7772x> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

19:38 <RandIter> how do boinc projects deal with random bit flips / soft errors in gpus?

19:39 <xcamel> super-secret... they don't

19:39 <RandIter> what would be the ideal ways for them to deal with it

19:40 <xcamel> and gpu's do very, very fuzzy math.

19:40 <FreeLarry> not use gpu's

19:40 <RandIter> FreeLarry: that is easy to say

19:40 <FreeLarry> lol but easier on my wallet

19:40 <RandIter> xcamel: by fuzzy, do you mean low precision?

19:41 * FreeLarry removes self from random comment section

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19:42 <CoderForLife> re-hi

19:42 <xcamel> the nature of a 'graphics' processor is 'close enough' - and terribly imprecise

19:43 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

19:43 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 40.2°F / 4.6°C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear until early morning...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s....with temperatures rising late. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly (1 more message)

19:43 <RandIter> is there a general doc on the programming practices, etc. that projects using gpus should try to abide by?

19:43 <CoderForLife> feels nice outside

19:43 <CoderForLife> up to 70 on Saturday?

19:44 * CoderForLife practices his spring fever cartwheel

19:45 <MTughan> &wx YOW

19:45 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM EST; Tonight - Clear. Wind west 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low -15C(5F).; Thursday - Sunny. Increasing cloudiness late in the morning with 70 percent chance of flurries in the afternoon. High -3C(26F). Thursday (1 more message)

19:45 <MTughan> Hmm, feels colder...

19:45 <CoderForLife> the window on the car is fixed

19:45 <xcamel> we may hit 50 - keep sending it...

19:45 <CoderForLife> lol  I'll fan it your way

19:45 <MTughan> The canal closes for the season after tomorrow.

19:46 <xcamel> lol Mike.. colder here..

19:46 <xcamel> 22F

19:46 <CoderForLife> &more

19:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: cloudy. Highs in the upper 50s. South winds 15 to 20 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers after midnight. Warmer with lows in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

19:46 <MTughan> &math convert 22 F to C

19:46 <Romulus> MTughan: -5.55555555556

19:46 <MTughan> Not that much colder...

19:47 <FreeLarry> &wx 98366

19:47 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Temperature: 46.7°F / 8.2°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Breezy. Rain becoming likely. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph rising to 15 to 25 mph after midnight.; Thursday - A little rain likely. Highs in the 40s to lower 50s. Northwest wind 10 to (1 more message)

19:48 <FreeLarry> &more

19:48 <Romulus> FreeLarry: 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows in the upper 20s to mid 30s. North wind 10 to 15 mph becoming east after midnight.;

19:48 <FreeLarry> humm good no lowland snow in that report

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19:55 <RandIter> is there a general doc on the programming practices, etc. that projects using gpus should try to abide by in order to deal with soft errors, etc.?

19:55 <PovAddict> there is almost no documentation about projects using GPUs

19:55 <PovAddict> remember it was all rushed for marketing reasons, and it has yet to work right

19:56 <Fwerp> i think it does

19:56 <PovAddict> Fwerp: do you use SETI on GPUs?

19:56 <MTughan> It "works."

19:56 <Fwerp> cause out of all my pc's the only one with a score yet has two nvidia 9600 gt's

19:57 <MTughan> Fwerp's hosts: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9040939

19:57 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b7772x> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

19:57 <PovAddict> that doesn't mean anything

19:57 <Fwerp> i have no idea dude, i own a laptop repair shop and i run the software...

19:57 <PovAddict> of course it "computes"

19:58 <Fwerp> sooo the data it produced might be useless?

19:58 <Fwerp> "fuzzy math"

19:58 <Fwerp> ?

19:58 <PovAddict> the scheduling is completely borked

19:58 <MTughan> <xcamel> and gpu's do very, very fuzzy math.

19:59 <Fwerp> ruh ro shaggy

19:59 <PovAddict> may ask for too much work, may cause idle CPU or GPU, etc.

19:59 <MTughan> <xcamel> the nature of a 'graphics' processor is 'close enough' - and terribly imprecise

19:59 <Fwerp> the make a wish foundation paid me to build it

19:59 <Fwerp> lol...

19:59 <Fwerp> its very pretty

20:00 <Fwerp> kid moved it and broke a foot off it and its in for new feet and new water pump

20:00 <Fwerp> leaving soon... :(

20:01 <Fwerp> ID: 4827425 is a Motherboard submerged in a fish tank LOL

20:01 <Fwerp> mineral oil etc..

20:02 <MTughan> The AMD?

20:02 <Romulus> I guess The AMD is the box the boinc server is on.. that i built the hello app on, MTughan

20:02 <MTughan> o_O

20:02 <MTughan> &shutup

20:02 <Romulus> MTughan: Are you daft?

20:04 <Fwerp> hu whaaa

20:04 <RandIter> if only i could submerge my entire computer into water, I'd get a hot water bath daily for free

20:04 <MTughan> Romulus is a bot.

20:04 <Romulus> MTughan: Are you daft?

20:04 <Fwerp> oo sweet

20:04 <Fwerp> eggdrop?

20:04 <PovAddict> Fwerp: http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/gtx285launch_011509005146/18003.png

20:04 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/89uv4m> (at images.anandtech.com)

20:04 <MTughan> As evidenced by his repeated statements that I'm daft...

20:05 <PovAddict> <- overloaded

20:05 <MTughan> PovAddict: That's also total system wattage.

20:05 <CoderForLife> truth hurts, eh?

20:05 <PovAddict> MTughan: as total system wattage, I'd still call it high

20:05 <MTughan> My comp takes about 400W under full load, from the wall.

20:06 <Fwerp> if u ignore it and spend alot of money, you feel better

20:06 <PovAddict> considering my last power bill, computing with my GPU is the last thing I'd think of

20:06 <MTughan> &math 400 * .8

20:06 <Romulus> MTughan: 320

20:06 <MTughan> Appox 80% efficiency, 320W for the computer.

20:06 <RandIter> my pc eats up $100 worth of power each month. don't know how many watts

20:07 <xcamel> cheapskate..

20:07 <PovAddict> RandIter: wtf, I don't think we spend that much in total

20:07 <PovAddict> but my numbers may be wrong

20:07 <Fwerp> dang

20:07 <RandIter> PovAddict: maybe I'll connect a power meter to it the next time i shut it down

20:08 <PovAddict> "total" being whole house

20:08 <Fwerp> that sli system i gots runnin is way oc'd on the gpu's i hope it doesnt die...

20:08 <PovAddict> I'd have to search for a bill, dunno

20:08 <MTughan> I don't know how much I cost per month in electricity. I'm living in residence at university, power's included. :P

20:08 <RandIter> MTughan: isn't that great...

20:08 <MTughan> Until I have to rent, yeah.

20:09 <MTughan> Ga, DDR3 laptop RAM is still really f***ing expensive...

20:09 <RandIter> it's funny how electricity rates in the US can vary so much by state, really

20:09 <RandIter> http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/115.htm

20:10 <Romulus> Title: Electricity Rate Comparison by State (at www.neo.ne.gov)

20:10 <PovAddict> &currency convert 242 ARS USD

20:10 <Romulus> PovAddict: 242.00 ars = 66.94 usd

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20:10 <PovAddict> ^that my last bill, two-month period

20:10 <PovAddict> is electricity in the US *that* expensive?

20:10 <xcamel> yeah, thanks to the moonbats..

20:11 <RandIter> in some states it is. i happen to live in one of the bottom 10 states of that list

20:11 <RandIter> bottom five, even

20:11 <PovAddict> around 1/4th of my bill is taxes btw

20:12 <RandIter> i hope you claim your deductions... turbotax helped me greatly with that

20:12 <RandIter> at least in the US

20:12 <Fwerp> i built a laptop a few weeks ago, ocz custom w/ 8 gb ram! p8600 or someshit

20:12 <wdsmia> asks Fwerp to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:12 <Fwerp> srry...

20:13 <xcamel> I'm in the top 5

20:13 <FreeLarry> my typical electric bill avg aroun 170 usd/month w/ 9 comps 24/7

20:13 <Fwerp> 90$ month

20:13 <FreeLarry> as well as rest of house

20:13 <MTughan> xcamel: Aren't you in NY?

20:13 <xcamel> uh-huh

20:13 <RandIter> FreeLarry: not bad at all

20:14 <PovAddict> "claim your deductions"? what on earth is that about?

20:14 <FreeLarry> yeah i see that wuaote the average price is about 3 cent low on that chart

20:14 <RandIter> PovAddict: that is applicable to those filing taxes in the US, probably not to you

20:14 <xcamel> NY used to be one of the lowest in the country

20:14 <PovAddict> "filing taxes" is also an US concept I don't understand

20:14 <FreeLarry> 9 to 10 cent per kw hr here

20:15 <PovAddict> you have to file a form saying what taxes you're paying?

20:15 * FreeLarry is still trying to repair vista window registry which corrupted after last windows update

20:16 * FreeLarry think almost time to give up and load fedora 10 on that box

20:16 <FreeLarry> yes PovAddict and the cost of cpa to fill out all the forms i have every year runs about 200

20:16 <RandIter> i always do it with turbotax

20:17 <RandIter> cost me about 130 for fed+state

20:17 <PovAddict> what's the point of that form? I really don't get it

20:17 <MTughan> Not sure how the taxes here work yet. I'm in Canada.

20:18 <RandIter> PovAddict: the tax form?

20:19 <RandIter> yes you file a form saying what taxes you're paying

20:19 <RandIter> also saying what your income was

20:19 * FreeLarry remembers the days when he could file just using 1040EZ but now to get anything back or end up paying no more taxes takes around 8 forms

20:19 <PovAddict> don't they know that already?

20:20 <RandIter> mah tax return for last year was 33 pgs

20:20 <XioNYC> Funny to read that form-filing line.  Ehen I was living in Bs.As., I couldn't figure out why people paid the DGI anything (let alone knowing what their taxes were in the first place).

20:20 <RandIter> PovAddict: not necessarily all of it

20:21 <XioNYC> I assumed all the tax money came through IVA (sales tax).

20:21 <MTughan> XioNYC: Seems like that sometimes... We pay 13% sales tax here.

20:21 <PovAddict> there is income tax, but that's already discounted from your salary before it reaches you

20:21 <PovAddict> MTughan: we have 21% VAT

20:22 <Fwerp> heat pipes burning legs...

20:22 <RandIter> PovAddict: the amount discounted could be more or less than the actual amt

20:22 <XioNYC> In Stgo. (Chile) I it was 18%.  Buying a Mac (at the time) was US$1500 + 18% sales tax, +18% luxury tax, +18% import tax.

20:22 <RandIter> PovAddict: it almost always is more or less; rarely exact

20:23 <PovAddict> why would it not be exact?

20:23 <PovAddict> isn't it a deterministic mathematical function? (heck maybe even a fixed percentage)

20:23 <RandIter> PovAddict: there are far too many factors involved to get it exactly right beforehand

20:23 <RandIter> yes

20:23 <PovAddict> but who is supposed to calculate it? you?

20:24 <Fwerp> i will

20:24 <RandIter> yes

20:24 <Fwerp> errr i will build a pc to calc it

20:24 <PovAddict> that sounds ridiculous

20:24 <FreeLarry> RandIter i said forms not pages (looks at foulder thats over 3/8's thick of pages for last years taxes)

20:24 <RandIter> FreeLarry: sounds like a lot of pages

20:24 <PovAddict> afaik, here people get their salary minus the applicable income taxes

20:25 <RandIter> PovAddict: not everyone makes all their income by salary alone

20:25 <RandIter> PovAddict: and that's how it is in the US too for salaried people

20:25 <CoderForLife> I agree with Joe Biden - the four-letter word I hate the most is taxes

20:25 <RandIter> huh

20:26 <XioNYC> PovAddict: Tips (waiters and waitresses) account for a majority of some poeple's income.  They're not considered true "income", though.  Also, there are people who live off of interest on invesments.  Both of these are called "unearned income".

20:26 <FreeLarry> luckily still no state income taxes here - but property and sales taxes high as well as all sorts of special interest and sin taxes takes hugh bite out of income

20:27 <RandIter> sin taxes... lol. like what

20:27 <RandIter> smokes?

20:27 <XioNYC> RandIter: Cigarettes, beer, and gasoline..

20:27 <FreeLarry> ohh yes and they have to pay income taxes to fed on "tips" even a formula to determine what the employers have to report

20:27 <FreeLarry> chewing gum

20:27 <PovAddict> RandIter: long ago, you had to pay church for God to forgive your sins

20:28 <PovAddict> sins had individual prices

20:28 <RandIter> haha

20:28 <RandIter> apparently some people still do

20:28 <XioNYC> PovAddict: Plenary indulgences are back.  The NYC dioscesese (sp.?) was in the news recently about it.

20:28 <FreeLarry> oh my finally got vista to recover enough that i can start installing updates again - one at a time

20:28 <PovAddict> until someone translated the Bible from Latin to a language people actually understood, and then the general public realized "hey this isn't how it's supposed to work"

20:29 <Fwerp> ph000000m

20:29 <Fwerp> :)

20:29 <CoderForLife> I'm away - cya nice folks back here soon, you too FreeLarry

20:29 <Fwerp> i hate vista

20:29 <FreeLarry> netframework update take very long to dl and install only about 60% done

20:29 <Fwerp> freelarry: you have a valid key right?

20:30 * FreeLarry looks around and sees noone here - all the mirrors ran away from room

20:30 * XioNYC .o0( Taxes, plenary indulgences, and spare processing cycles... Gotta love #boinc )

20:30 <FreeLarry> yup

20:30 <Fwerp> FreeLarry: if so there is an amazing vista coppy that is open to anyone...... an iso

20:30 <FreeLarry> had to use the install disk to recover vista

20:30 <MTughan> I prefer Win7 myself. Runs faster than Vista.

20:30 <Fwerp> recover to most updated ever

20:31 <MTughan> Well, a VM hampers either one...

20:31 <FreeLarry> hummm Fwerp not sure i would try vista ever again - reminds me to much of ME in its early days

20:31 <Tank_Master> yeah, win7 is a nice OS :)

20:31 <Tank_Master> vista (at least the 64bit w/SP1) is quite good now, FL

20:32 <FreeLarry> may try win7 -- if they offer it as free replacement for these worthless vista disks

20:32 <Tank_Master> though win7 is still a better

20:32 <xcamel> and the north pole is a nice vacation spot

20:32 <FreeLarry> have 64 bit installed

20:32 <Tank_Master> xcamel, I prefer the south poll

20:32 <MTughan> Installing Win7 on a VM on my Mac ATM... Slow as molasses, but it's going.

20:32 <FreeLarry> especilly in speedo's xcamel

20:32 <Tank_Master> the one night stands last longer

20:33 <xcamel> TMI, Larry..

20:33 <XioNYC> WTMI

20:33 <MTughan> Ah yeah, forgot about the Betta fish on the desktop... ;)

20:33 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:33 <PovAddict> Windows Vista wasn't written from scratch

20:33 <PovAddict> so why do Windows XP owners have to pay the full amount?

20:33 <Tank_Master> yeah, and they say programmers have no since of humor

20:34 <Fwerp> they dont

20:34 <Tank_Master> they can get the upgrade version, pov

20:34 <Fwerp> barf

20:34 * XioNYC wonders who pays for Windows at all

20:34 <FreeLarry> more than engineers Fwerp

20:34 <PovAddict> how much cheaper is that?

20:34 <Fwerp> they raised the home nuilders price 10

20:34 <FreeLarry> Tank_Master did the upgrade but at cost of 150 for vista version - tooo much

20:34 <Fwerp> on home edition

20:34 <Tank_Master> the OEM version of vista premium x64 was $90

20:35 <Fwerp> they are selling xp for more money this year than last year

20:35 <Tank_Master> that I bought

20:35 <FreeLarry> ultimate here Tank_Master

20:35 <Fwerp> i bought home builders for 89$ all year then last week or so they raised it 10$~~!!~

20:35 <Tank_Master> oh, win7 will not have a home basic version avalibe

20:35 <Tank_Master> which is good

20:36 <Fwerp> will windows 7 kill my laptop

20:36 <FreeLarry> humm after 3 minutes after framework update vista still trying to shut down for restart

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20:36 <XioNYC> Fwerp: Inevitably.  It's just a matter of time.

20:36 <Fwerp> e1705 w/ t7600 4gb 6400...

20:37 <FreeLarry> ahh finally

20:37 <FreeLarry> two more updates to go

20:37 <xcamel> still working on getting shuttle to send me 2 I7 cubes, into which I'm going to insert 2 tesla 1070's

20:37 <Fwerp> intel 945gm vs windows 7.... not gunna happen

20:38 <FreeLarry> assuming it will restart that is

20:38 <Fwerp> it will restart

20:38 <xcamel> micro-super-computers

20:38 <Fwerp> wooosahh my broother

20:38 <FreeLarry> lol of course it crashed

20:38 <Fwerp> lol

20:38 <Fwerp> gotta think positive

20:39 <Fwerp> OMG the dual 9600 is still making numbers and NONE OF THE OTHER PC'S have done anything

20:39 <Fwerp> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9040939

20:39 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b7772x> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

20:40 * XioNYC empathetically hands FreeLarry a refreshing beverage of his choosing in a mug which has "Go easy on me: I'm having a Microsoft day" written in nice friendly letters

20:41 * FreeLarry still eyeballing 25 pound sledge in corner and looking at windows disks

20:41 * XioNYC feels FreeLarry's pain.

20:42 * XioNYC has a refreshing drink of his own.

20:43 <FreeLarry> humm after the framework update machine continually crashes will have to rollback and not install that update

20:45 <FreeLarry> it tries to tell me secondary processor clock not coming in on time - what processor tho? doesn't matter which video card i install has same problem

20:45 <FreeLarry> and q6600 processor shouldn't be at fault either - memory tests fine

20:46 <FreeLarry> and after 3 new hd's doubt that would be it either - new ps of greater wattage has been fine also

20:47 <Tank_Master> Fwerp - win7 runs much better on slower comps than vista, and they have redone the way it acceses the components on laptops

20:48 <Tank_Master> the power consumption should be much less (longer batter life)

20:48 <Fwerp> so its not as gpu abusive?

20:48 <Tank_Master> no

20:48 <Fwerp> they really wanted vista to be all juicy with visuals

20:49 <Tank_Master> DX11 allows some DX10 funtions to run on the CPU

20:49 <Tank_Master> and DX11 is multithreaded

20:49 <Fwerp> will dx10 cards run dx11?

20:49 <Tank_Master> yes

20:49 <Fwerp> sweet

20:49 <Tank_Master> anywho, i 2g2, ill bbl

20:49 <Fwerp> i need a dx10 lappy

20:49 <Tank_Master> g2g*g

20:49 <Fwerp> bi

20:50 <Tank_Master> actually, because DX 10 runs on the CPU, a DX9 card will work and still get you tyhe DX10 functions

20:50 <Fwerp> excuse me

20:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah you can play that crysis came at 5fps just on the cpu i hear ...

20:51 <Soul_keeper> game*

20:51 <Fwerp> good lord

20:51 <Fwerp> then whats the point

20:51 <Soul_keeper> compatibility

20:51 <Soul_keeper> i guess ...

20:52 <Soul_keeper> real men use opengl

20:53 <Fwerp> ok so the laptop im on has hit 100% like 3 times on stuff, why is it not showing in my stats?

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20:59 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXy_ssSGuy0

20:59 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - First OpenCL demo on a GPU (at www.youtube.com)

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21:10 * FreeLarry gave up on updates to vista - started in safemode and running boinc again - so far staying up

21:11 <Soul_keeper> that's what gentoo livecd's are for :)

21:12 <FreeLarry> if it would have worked on that mb would have tried Soul_keeper

21:13 <PovAddict> &google spell commitment

21:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.

21:14 <FreeLarry> between mb chipset and bios being "optimized" for vista - at first couldn't get any os to install properly

21:14 <PovAddict> &google spell committment

21:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: commitment

21:22 <Fwerp> is there a live disc with boinc built in?

21:22 <PovAddict> Dotsch/UX

21:22 <MTughan> For PS3. I don't know about one for BOINC... Actually, one sec.

21:23 <MTughan> Yeah, that one.

21:23 <Fwerp> does the bot have a google command?

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21:23 <MTughan> &google Dotsch/UX

21:23 <Romulus> MTughan: Search took 0.24 seconds: Dotsch_UX: <http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/Dotsch_UX.html>; Download Dotsch / UX 1.0 for Linux - Dotsch / UX a Linux distribution ...: <http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Dotsch-UX-45317.shtml>; Dotsch / UX 1.0 user reviews - Softpedia: <http://linux.softpedia.com/progViewOpinions/Dotsch-UX-45317,.html>; x86_64 : Dotsch / (3 more messages)

21:24 <Fwerp> sweeet

21:24 <xcamel> just don't abuse it..

21:24 <Fwerp> o y not

21:24 <Fwerp> i could use nothing but ram drives

21:24 <MTughan> I should make an alias for Yahoo that uses the same command... xD

21:24 <Fwerp> i got piles of sd ram and boards......

21:25 <MTughan> No, he means don't abuse the Google command.

21:25 <Fwerp> just add some fire and thermal paste and i gots me boinc'd

21:25 <Fwerp> o

21:25 <xcamel> because I, as the bot's owner, can don the crown of death, and become GOD.

21:25 <MTughan> You're also a chanop.

21:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

21:26 <Fwerp> my bot would crash when i googled google on it

21:26 <xcamel> ...which is what I said.

21:26 <Fwerp> like persay...

21:26 <Fwerp> &google google

21:26 <Romulus> Fwerp: (google google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly !@#&-unsafe results.

21:26 <Fwerp> aha

21:26 <Fwerp> :)

21:27 <Fwerp> dotsch looks fun

21:27 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

21:27 <Fwerp> is it in engrish yehoy

21:27 <PovAddict> lol

21:27 <Soul_keeper> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-CeBit-Hannover,7159.html

21:27 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/amwymb> (at www.tomshardware.com)

21:33 <xcamel> the girlynator

21:34 <XioNYC> That's a terrible thing to call Chancellor Merkel! ;-P

21:35 <XioNYC> Funny.  But terrible.

21:38 <xcamel> she should kick Arnold in the nads and tell him to go home and fix kaliforrrrnia

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21:41 <zombie67> Wow.  Richard Haselgrove is pissed.

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21:44 <xcamel> remind me again who that is....

21:46 <xcamel> oh yeah.. the boinc beta list - yeah... big DA slapdown.

21:47 <Soul_keeper> arnold has his work cut out for him, he's got to battle hoards of liberals constantly

21:48 <Soul_keeper> like a zombie movie or something

21:52 <Soul_keeper> <straterra> the xbox bsod is green

21:52 <Soul_keeper> lol

21:53 <MTughan> Just watch out for the RRoD.

21:53 <MTughan> The Red Ring of Death.

21:53 <Soul_keeper> does that involve peanut butter and waking up in odd places ?

21:53 <MTughan> There's a series of lights on the front of an Xbox 360. If three of them flash red, it means a general hardware error. Usually unfixable.

21:54 <MTughan> Peanut butter isn't red...

21:54 <Soul_keeper> cool

21:56 <Soul_keeper> i can't believe your 4870 gives so much credit

21:56 <Soul_keeper> that's insane

21:56 <MTughan> xD

21:57 <Soul_keeper> you'll catch me in 10 days now

21:57 <xcamel> laterz..

21:57 <MTughan> I've gotten even more credit than lllvette on some days, and he's running close to 6 GPUs on GPUGRID I think.

21:57 <MTughan> Bye Jay.

21:58 <Soul_keeper> i want to port seti to stream for linux, but it would involve dealing with as much as 1 million lines of code

21:59 <Soul_keeper> i get tired just thinking about it

22:01 <Soul_keeper> http://s08.idav.ucdavis.edu/houston-amd-stream-sdk.pdf    check it out, not to "foreign" tho

22:01 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bxssvx> (at s08.idav.ucdavis.edu)

22:04 <Fwerp> i found me a 4 and 8 gig stick for this dotsch

22:04 <zombie67> are there any GPUs that will run MW, but not PCI-e?

22:05 <MTughan> zombie67: I know Sapphire made AGP models of some 38xx GPUs, try for a 3870.

22:05 <Fwerp> fuzzy math

22:05 <MTughan> As for whether they work under MW, I don't know.

22:06 <Fwerp> MTughan: im on newegg and i gots me a list of 5 e5200's, five geforce 7050 mobo's, psu's etc. 4 gigs of 6400 a machine

22:06 <Fwerp> mount em all to a rack and run dotsch?!

22:07 <Fwerp> 824.75$!

22:07 <MTughan> How fast is an E5200?

22:07 <Fwerp> Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor

22:07 <Fwerp> good price

22:07 <Fwerp> 72.99 a pop

22:08 <MTughan> Just make sure you have adaquate cooling and some storage devices...

22:08 <MTughan> Otherwise, not a bad group.

22:08 <Fwerp> storage?

22:08 <Fwerp> 4 wut

22:08 <MTughan> Well, you need something to boot Dotsch/UX.

22:08 <Fwerp> oo dvd drives

22:08 <Fwerp> :)

22:08 <Fwerp> into ram

22:09 <MTughan> Or a USB drive. They're cheap nowadays.

22:09 <Fwerp> and thumb sticks

22:09 <XioNYC> Solid-state drive.

22:09 <Fwerp> i also have lotsa gig and larger mem cards and bays could abuse them

22:10 <MTughan> SSDs are still quite expensive.

22:10 <Fwerp> ya

22:10 <Fwerp> i could fit a 6th machine in here for under a grand

22:10 <Fwerp> 12 cores a blazing

22:11 <MTughan> I have 8 myself already, plus the 800 in my 4870.

22:11 <Fwerp> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9040939

22:11 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b7772x> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

22:12 <Fwerp> my dual 9600 machine is still the only one sowing credit

22:12 <Fwerp> showing*

22:12 <MTughan> You know that you don't get credit for a WU as soon as you've finished it on S@H?

22:13 <MTughan> Each WU is sent out twice, and the results are compared. You won't get credit until the second copy of the WU is returned and both are verified.

22:13 <XioNYC> I see the crunch times and I still can't believe it.

22:13 <Fwerp> this is understandable

22:15 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yep, a lot to that document... Brook+ looks easier to develop for, but you'll still need to split the WU into many threads for it to be effective.

22:15 <MTughan> Remember, an HD4870 and I believe an HD4850 too have 800 single-precision cores. 320 double-precision cores.

22:16 <Soul_keeper> well it kinda gets complex if you break down the actual SPs

22:17 <Soul_keeper> whatever the case is it that if the work load is ideal ati's can crunch pretty good

22:18 <MTughan> For sure.

22:18 <Soul_keeper> the nvidia cuda code isn't very optimized, and it might not be able to be

22:18 <Soul_keeper> for seti that is

22:19 <Soul_keeper> probably has to do with the nature of the seti calculations

22:19 <MTughan> Do you know if SETI uses double- or single-precision? Or ints?

22:19 <Soul_keeper> it uses some complex formula  from a libraray

22:19 <Soul_keeper> fast curiour something, hold on i'll get the webpage, it's complex

22:20 <MTughan> Fast fourier transform?

22:20 <Soul_keeper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Fourier_transform

22:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5c6f3> (at en.wikipedia.org)

22:20 <Soul_keeper> yeah

22:20 <Soul_keeper> idealy for stream/cuda  you'd want calculations on large arrays ... but don't always get that

22:20 <MTughan> Maybe this is just naive thinking, but do they use mostly doubles or floats?

22:21 <Soul_keeper> i havn't really looked into it yet

22:21 <MTughan> The float type hold a single-precision floating-point number, and a double type holds a double-precision FP number.

22:22 <Soul_keeper> yeah but i can't tell you want seti is doing

22:22 <Soul_keeper> All of the FFT algorithms discussed so far compute the DFT exactly (in exact arithmetic, i.e. neglecting floating-point errors). A few "FFT" algorithms have been proposed, however, that compute the DFT approximately, with an error that can be made arbitrarily small at the expense of increased computations. Such algorithms trade the approximation error for increased speed or other properties. For example, an approximate FFT algorithm by E

22:22 <Soul_keeper> delman et al. (1999) achieves lower communication requirements for parallel computing with the help of a fast multipole method.

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22:23 <Soul_keeper> sounds like all floating point intensive to me

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22:23 <MTughan> I haven't confirmed this, but ATI cards will do much better on MW than Nvidia cards according to the person who wrote the program.

22:24 <MTughan> Apparently, CUDA is good for single-precision, but severly limits the number of shaders available for double-precision.

22:24 <MTughan> Like I say though, that's second-hand information that I haven't confirmed.

22:24 <Soul_keeper> could be

22:25 <Soul_keeper> my thinkin has been nvidia wins for shear power of a single SP,  but ati outnumbers it with multiple slower SPs

22:25 <Soul_keeper> i forget most of what i read tho :)

22:25 <MTughan> Yeah, Nvidia seems to go for less shaders, but clocks them higher.

22:26 <Soul_keeper> the shaders themselves have more components

22:26 <Soul_keeper> err units in the SPs

22:26 <MTughan> IIRC, a GTX280 has 240 shaders compared to HD4870's 800, but the 4870 runs at 750MHz, compared to 1.3GHz or so.

22:26 <MTughan> Or maybe it's closer to 1.8GHz, I don't remember.

22:27 <Soul_keeper> each SP can do more than just a single thread apparently

22:27 <Soul_keeper> "Each of 800 ATI's SP capable of processing one 32-bit value while each of 240 NVIDIA's SP is capable of processing 4 32-bit values in"

22:27 <MTughan> 1.3GHz according to Wikipedia.

22:28 <MTughan> I know ATI arranges their SPs in shader units, each of which comprises of 5 SPs.

22:29 <MTughan> But after that, I don't know.

22:29 <Soul_keeper> http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=86792

22:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/av3fdq> (at forums.nvidia.com)

22:31 <MTughan> So those are 32-bit integers. Still doesn't confirm the floating point info.

22:31 <Fwerp> lol MTughan added another pc

22:31 <MTughan> One question actually: Do you know if either card can do 64-bit?

22:31 <Soul_keeper> yup

22:31 <Soul_keeper> they both should be able to

22:31 <MTughan> Fwerp: Hmm? I did or you did?

22:32 <Fwerp> i did

22:32 <MTughan> It's not showing on SETI.

22:32 <Fwerp> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6700 @ 2.66GHz [EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11]

22:32 <Fwerp> (4 processors)

22:33 <Fwerp> it just did for me

22:33 <Soul_keeper> ohh seti

22:33 <Fwerp> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9040939

22:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b7772x> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

22:33 <MTughan> Must take a while to show...

22:33 <Soul_keeper> dunno, sure you could find the info if you prowled forums long enough

22:33 <MTughan> Fwerp: Ha, my Q6600 is still faster. ;)

22:34 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Was it you or TM who offered me a QX6700 before?

22:34 <Soul_keeper> not me

22:34 <Soul_keeper> i got a e4300 i might have offered tho ..

22:34 <Soul_keeper> it just sits on a shelf here

22:34 <Soul_keeper> been that way for about a year

22:34 <MTughan> Must've been TM.

22:35 <Fwerp> MTughan: it needs more cooling

22:36 <MTughan> I'm just using air.

22:37 <Fwerp> we figured out bigwater dont cool q7600.... with this one

22:37 <Fwerp> but it should crunch fine

22:37 <Soul_keeper> another thing i started wondering about today was how important buffer size might be for gpugrid/seti/mw   ie:  512MB vs. 1GB+

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22:38 <MTughan> The latest build of Win7 allows you to uninstall IE8!

22:39 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, found a good thread about what we're talking about    http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=705

22:39 <Romulus> Title: Milkyway@home on ATI cards (at www.gpugrid.net)

22:40 <Soul_keeper> "NV version is not going to happen anytome soon as they use double precision exclusively. You may remember that NV included 30 double units in GT200 along with the 240 single precision shaders. Well, ATIs RV770 has 160 5-way VLIW units and all of them can run 1 or 2 doubles each clock. That's such a massive advantage, it just plain wouldn't make sense to use NV cards here."

22:40 <MTughan> Considering it was ClusterPhysik who said that on MW forums, it's probably true.

22:41 <Soul_keeper> I wonder if VLIW units are 128-bit ...

22:48 <Soul_keeper> btw nvidia was apparently talking about x86 cpu's yesterday

22:48 <MTughan> Yep, they were.

22:48 <Soul_keeper> basically said "it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when"

22:48 <Soul_keeper> might just start competing with atom and doing cellphone/mid/netbook stuff tho

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23:09 <Fwerp> 9800gtx q67  is munching away :D

23:10 <MTughan> I bet you still won't match my credit/day with my ATI card.

23:10 <MTughan> :P

23:10 <Soul_keeper> lol

23:11 <Soul_keeper> should we add this guy to the race chart ?

23:11 <Soul_keeper> Fwerp, what's your boinc stats link ?

23:11 <MTughan> lol, feel free if you want to...

23:11 <Fwerp> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?sort=gpu&rev=0&show_all=0&userid=9040939

23:11 <Romulus> Title: Computers belonging to Fwerp (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

23:11 <MTughan> Hold on, I'll look it up...

23:13 <MTughan> Actually, he doesn't show on BOINCStats yet... No credit.

23:13 <Soul_keeper> ok

23:14 <Fwerp> ....lol

23:14 <MTughan> Should show up tomorrow, I'll keep his team page up to fetch it.

23:14 <Fwerp> i just spent 900$ on this it better show!

23:14 <Fwerp> lol

23:14 <MTughan> BTW, this is what we're talking about. He wants to add you to the comparison. http://sterlingdesktops.com/boincrace/test2.png

23:15 <Fwerp> ooooo

23:15 <Fwerp> showing growth?

23:15 <MTughan> Yep. Ignores total credit.

23:16 <Fwerp> so its not credit but current growth er wut? ive been self medicated for the night... explain

23:16 <Soul_keeper> it's based on the last 30 days

23:16 <MTughan> It shows how much credit each person made over the past month.

23:16 <Fwerp> ooooooo

23:16 <Fwerp> do i have a chance to compete just now bringing these systems online?

23:17 <MTughan> So we can tell that Soul_keeper made 228734 credits over the past 30 days.

23:17 <MTughan> I made 721297.

23:17 <MTughan> You have a lot of systems, you'll probably be fairly competitive, at least to Soul_keeper.

23:17 <Soul_keeper> i guess you're numbers wouldn't really make sense untill 1 month from now

23:18 <Fwerp> dont make me fix the dual xeon rack mount w/ 4 sticks of sdram in it

23:18 <Fwerp> "woa buddy"

23:18 <Soul_keeper> heh

23:18 <MTughan> Well, you'd have a proper average after a week, right?

23:18 <Fwerp> well

23:19 <Fwerp> 5 d/c machines comming and a ton of crappy ole cod's to put together in the back of the shop

23:19 <Fwerp> and a very large network

23:19 <Fwerp> this is gunna be interesting

23:19 <Fwerp> i setup a display in the front of the store too...

23:20 <Fwerp> 4 screens w/ the graphics up and a print out and info all taped up on the wall

23:20 <Fwerp> huge 16 port switchy bob from cisco and some other neato stuff

23:20 <Fwerp> 2 buildings down from time warner.... (oops teehee)

23:22 <MTughan> I don't know why I just thought of it, but I braved the Boxing Day computer stores to get my video card and PSU...

23:22 <MTughan> And neither were on sale either.

23:25 <Soul_keeper> bastards are gonna raise tobacco taxes again

23:38 <jasong> Where are you buying tobacco Soul_keeper(country)?

23:38 <jasong> Because in the US, the industry is about as honest as the day is three hours long

23:39 <jasong> Personally, I think they should bring back hanging and firing squads for American tobacco executives

23:40 <Soul_keeper> US  california

23:40 <jasong> Smoking is disgusting, but it's been proven that American tobacco executives are intentionally harming people to beef up their bottom line

23:40 <Soul_keeper> and how is that different from anything else ?

23:41 <Soul_keeper> twinkies, tv, hamburgers ...

23:41 <Soul_keeper> i smoke because i want to

23:41 <jasong> European cigarettes are less healthy, but way less addictive, so European smokers can break the habit way easier

23:41 <Soul_keeper> people that want to blame the execs should be shot

23:41 <jasong> American cigarettes are like legal cocaine

23:42 <Soul_keeper> i smoke pipe tobacco

23:42 <jasong> I'm sure the execs would be your biggest fans for that remark

23:42 <Soul_keeper> natural without the chemicals, the way it's meant to be done

23:42 <Soul_keeper> tobacco execs are no more evil than banking/mortgage execs ...

23:43 <Soul_keeper> same deal, just pushing different products

23:43 <jasong> Yeah, my brother used to smoke a pipe a long time ago.  I like to tell people he's Eurotrash, but God just couldn't fit him in on that side of the Atlantic

23:43 <Soul_keeper> heh

23:44 <Soul_keeper> well thanks for the compliment ...  bbl

23:44 <jasong> If he wasn't my brother, I'd probably want to put a hit on him.

23:45 <Soul_keeper> good work

23:45 <jasong> He's a Macolyte too

23:45 <jasong> Also, a college snob

23:46 <jasong> He's everything I hate and he emerged from my mother 6 years after I did, how's that for laughs? :)

23:57 <Soul_keeper> jasong, when was the last time you cryed tears of joy watching american idol ?

23:57 <Soul_keeper> or are you into european idol ?

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