IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-03-07

00:02 <jasong> Have you ever noticed that when you read a "professional" journalist's piece about something you know a lot about, they inevitably have tons of errors in the article?

00:03 <jasong> I just read a comment by someone claiming that if you send an image to the brain, you have to invert it so the person sees the image right-side up

00:03 <Soul_keeper> that's kinda true ...

00:03 <jasong> No, wrong, the person simply takes the image they've always had and starts dealing with it as an infant.  They simply accept it as reality

00:04 <jasong> Try nudging the side of your eyeball, you'll see a weird shadow on the other side of  your vision

00:04 <Soul_keeper> they had a thing about that on the science channel, they made some goggles that invert everything, and tryed to get geniouses to play basketball

00:04 <jasong> Well, not your eyeball, nudge your eyelid

00:05 <Soul_keeper> they'd bounce the ball and it would hit them in he forehead

00:05 <jasong> lol, very entertaining, I'm sure, but hardly proves anything

00:06 <Soul_keeper> they claim that if you wear them long enough eventually everything would appear the same or something

00:06 <jasong> exactly

00:06 <jasong> Well, it would appear normal

00:07 <efc> I think this galatica falling apart thing is a little far fetched

00:07 <Fwerp> ?

00:07 <jasong> The human brain is incredibly adaptable

00:07 <Fwerp> ya

00:08 <jasong> I haven't watched Galactica in forever

00:08 <Soul_keeper> so can you buy this  Detail of GigaAccel 180  ?

00:08 <jasong> I hear that they destroyed Earth

00:08 <jasong> The Cylons I mean

00:09 <Soul_keeper> i remember when they used to make pci cards with 600MHz transmeta cpu's on them,   could never get them in the US tho

00:09 <jasong> MY friend Chuck said the Golden gate bridge was in the background when they arrived

00:09 <efc> It was toasted in a war 2,000 years before "now"

00:09 <jasong> What, so the show happens in the year 4000?

00:09 <efc> "now" in the show's chronology

00:10 <efc> I think in reality the planet would be livable after 2,000 years, but whatever..

00:15 <jasong>

00:15 <Romulus> <> (at

00:15 <jasong> I'm confused as to what this news story was written for, do they expect the telescopes to make baby telescopes

00:16 <jasong> I mean, there's some info in there, but there seems to be some odd romantic notions going on that I can't fathom

00:16 <Fwerp> how about apache api that programs applictions from flow charts

00:21 <Soul_keeper> that gigaaccel with cost 9,000 to 10,000 bucks btw if you convert the currency

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00:26 <Fwerp> ya screw that

00:26 <Fwerp> 400$ gpu here i come

00:26 <Fwerp> 8000 for 180gf = pft

00:26 <Soul_keeper> and by the time it's available, it'll be obselete

00:26 <Fwerp> i was thinking it would be cheap

00:26 <Fwerp> but noooo

00:27 <Fwerp> if they had one with four cell's and 12 gigs of ddr3 on it then were talking.... and maybe 1k$

00:27 <Fwerp> lololol...

00:27 <Fwerp> 1.4k$

00:28 <Soul_keeper> yeah they aren't "big" blue for giving people good deals

00:28 <Fwerp> i...b...m...

00:29 <Fwerp> i want to get the most power outa 3k$ so its either two machines or stacks of 2ghz cd2's w/ 4gb ram runnin x64

00:30 <Fwerp> prolly get almost 15 machines?

00:30 <efc> I had been interested in FPGA BOINCing but as the cpus got faster it didn't seem to be worth the massive effort

00:31 <Fwerp> fpga?

00:31 <Romulus> Somebody said fpga is a CPU socket type, Fwerp

00:31 <Fwerp> lga775?

00:31 <Fwerp> lga 775?

00:31 <efc> nevermind

00:31 <Soul_keeper> i dunno about 15 ..  little things are what get you.  psu, case, cdrom, etc.  unless you skip those

00:31 <Fwerp> am2?

00:31 <Fwerp> bot...

00:31 <efc> they are reconfigurable gate arrays

00:32 <Fwerp> skipping them

00:32 <Fwerp> Soul_keeper: pxe boot ubuntu

00:32 <Soul_keeper> cool

00:32 <Fwerp> on a rack

00:33 <Fwerp> 300 wat psu's.... 10 dolla motha's

00:33 <Fwerp> i just did 5 machines for 897

00:34 <Soul_keeper> nice one

00:34 <Fwerp> run synergy

00:36 <Fwerp> will boinc use the onboard 9000 nvidia's?

00:36 <Fwerp> it'll just raise it 50  or so a machine

00:36 <Fwerp> $

00:37 <infinisoft> efc: Thats cool, I've been messing around with altera's stuff recently.

00:37 <Soul_keeper> not sure, if they are based on the g92 or later then yeah ..  they could just be named 9000   but be older tech

00:38 <infinisoft> I need to get my hands on my own development board though..

00:38 <Fwerp> Onboard VideoOnboard Video Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 9300

00:40 <Fwerp>

00:40 <Romulus> <> (at

00:40 <Soul_keeper>

00:40 <Romulus> <> (at

00:41 <Soul_keeper> yeah it's on the supported list

00:41 <Soul_keeper> but don't count on it being powerfull

00:41 <Soul_keeper> only has 16 SPs

00:41 <Soul_keeper> compare that to a 9800GT that takes nearly 1 day to do a gpugrid wu,  and it has 112 SPs

00:41 <Soul_keeper> could do 1 WU per week or something ...

00:42 <Fwerp> my 9600 machine is doin small credit jbs but its turnin em out

00:43 <Fwerp> the 9800 gtx w/ q67 died on me

00:43 <Fwerp> hit 82c and shut off

00:43 <Fwerp> no one is there to power cycle it :(

00:44 <Fwerp> does it help that the 9600's are in sli or should i shut it off for seti?

00:45 <Soul_keeper> shouldn't matter as far as i know

00:49 <Fwerp> gots me a phenom black system w/ 4870 needin a 1kw psu...

00:49 <Soul_keeper> lol

00:50 <Fwerp> had to try it after seein u guys talk bout it on here

00:50 <Fwerp> dual bios gigabyte board

00:51 <Fwerp> kid had me put it together

00:51 <Fwerp> decided to hold onto it

00:51 <Fwerp> rma'd his psu and ram

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01:16 <Soul_keeper> bill maher is an annoying liberal

01:22 <Fwerp> yap

01:22 <Fwerp> viccodin is not strong enough

01:40 <Fwerp>

01:40 <Romulus> <> (at

01:42 <Soul_keeper> not enough linux there :(

01:43 <Fwerp> soon buddy

01:44 <Fwerp> i got the stacker burnin me 50  copies of the live  disc

01:44 <Fwerp> and i got a new server up for pxe

01:44 <Fwerp> waiting on my seagates tog et here for raid...

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01:45 <Soul_keeper> Fwerp, did you win the lottery ?

01:45 <Fwerp> no

01:45 <Soul_keeper> recently retired ?

01:45 <Fwerp> 26

01:46 <Fwerp> not retired

01:46 <Fwerp> i dont intend on keeping this stuff

01:46 <Fwerp> put it all together so i can take stuff offline without killing anything

01:46 <Fwerp> inventory buddy

01:46 <Fwerp> inventory :D

01:46 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

01:47 <Fwerp> im not the smartest dude but i kno business and i love computers...

01:47 <Fwerp> didnt complete my course at ivy tech

01:47 <Fwerp> dropped out and worked for ibm at 17

01:47 <Fwerp> etc...etc..

01:47 <Fwerp> own a pc shop and self medicate

01:47 <Fwerp> hi

01:47 <Soul_keeper> lol

01:47 <Fwerp> :D

01:48 <Fwerp> im open cause i have nothing to steal, no credit, no assett's

01:48 <Fwerp> llc, im protected

01:48 <Soul_keeper> yeah just be smart

01:48 <Fwerp> btw theres a 5.0 mustang fox body for the same price i just paid to fix my lincoln ls

01:49 <Soul_keeper> i never did anything with my business, never had the balls to ask for a loan

01:49 <Fwerp> ive worked off pure cash

01:49 <Fwerp> no loans or credit cards

01:49 <Fwerp> i dont have any super computer talents to take me past retail i think

01:49 <Fwerp> so i gotta make it work

01:49 <Fwerp> i can oc and everything and i love gaming and networking...

01:50 <Fwerp> blah blah

01:50 <Fwerp> my systems will be changing weekly so if u watch my list u should see some interesting stuff

01:51 <Fwerp> my g/f asked me the other night for more reasons to oc than gaming

01:51 <Fwerp> the only thing i could think of was seti

01:51 <Fwerp> so im putting everything available to me into use that is worth a damn

01:52 <Soul_keeper> yeah nobody will ever understand   lol

01:52 <Fwerp> customers see this stuff... they flip out

01:52 <Fwerp> "this dude is smart"

01:52 <Soul_keeper> i don't even bother justifying my "existance" to non computer users anymore

01:52 <Fwerp> i really have no clue whats goin on...on screen...

01:52 <Fwerp> i just love the numbers

01:52 <Fwerp> and up times

01:53 <Fwerp> and watching what systems im working with and their credits

01:53 <Fwerp> its just beautiful

01:53 <Fwerp> comparing system stats to output

01:53 <Soul_keeper> yeah

01:53 <Soul_keeper>

01:53 <Romulus> Title: Lsnet Stats 0.3.3 (at

01:54 <Soul_keeper> i keep an eye on mine :)

01:54 <Fwerp> how a 1.4 athlon  w/ multibeam can pwn a 3.02 prescot w/ astropulse

01:54 <Fwerp> 3.02 has 2gb 5400 btw and the athlon only 128

01:54 <Soul_keeper> get the optimized astropulse

01:54 <Fwerp> of 133

01:54 <Fwerp> i didnt know there was getting toit

01:54 <Fwerp> no clickydoo in pref's

01:55 <Soul_keeper>

01:55 <Romulus> Title: Crunch3rs BOINC page (at

01:55 <Soul_keeper> SSE3 is there

01:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm going to run that fulltime on my main machine, soon as i finish this WCG race

01:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm not too impressed with seti cuda

01:56 <Soul_keeper> rather run GPUgrid

01:59 <Fwerp> pluh

02:54 <efc> &math convert 6.626e-34 Joules to watts

02:54 <Romulus> efc: Error: Joules is not a valid unit.

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03:02 <ELGono> &math convert 6.626e-34 J to W

03:02 <Romulus> ELGono: Error: unit categories did not match

03:03 <efc> yeah they don't

03:03 <efc> Watts is J*S

03:06 <ELGono> too early in the morning to think of that

03:07 <Soul_keeper> yeah not thinking, it fry's brain cells :)(

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08:14 <xcamel> 'lo

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08:26 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:27 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 38.8F / 3.8C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A slight chance of rain this afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south this afternoon. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Rain likely. Lows around 40. South winds around 5 (1 more message)

08:27 <xcamel> &more

08:27 <Romulus> xcamel: mph... becoming west after midnight. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy with rain likely in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 6:00 PM EDT on March 09, 2009;

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09:23 <CoderForLife> back from the store

09:23 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

09:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 40.3F / 4.6C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Colder. Thunderstorms in the morning...then rain and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 40s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 (2 more messages)

09:23 <wdsmia> &more

09:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight - Thunderstorms in the evening...then rain showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Locally heavy rainfall possible after midnight. Low in the mid 30s. Northeast wind around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Sunday - Cloudy until late afternoon then becoming partly sunny. Rain showers and isolated (1 more message)

09:23 <wdsmia> &more

09:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: thunderstorms early in the morning...then thunderstorms and rain late in the morning. A slight chance of light rain in the afternoon. High around 40. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the northwest in the afternoon. Gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.;

09:23 <ELGono> lo don jay & doug

09:23 <wdsmia> mornin all

09:24 <CoderForLife> hello Justus, Doug, Jay and me

09:26 <xcamel> mornin

09:27 * CoderForLife waves to himself

09:27 <CoderForLife> it's good to go to the store, yet it's a pain

09:27 * xcamel avoids stores

09:27 <CoderForLife> I had Rosa as cashier again this morning

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09:28 <xcamel> tu pagar, Sinor?

09:28 <CoderForLife> she's so micro efficient that she totally misses the point of customer service

09:28 <xcamel> uh-huh

09:30 <CoderForLife> it is a gorgeous day already

09:36 <xcamel> getting nicer here...

09:36 <xcamel> 41 already

09:38 <xcamel> btw.. finally got tired of active webcam losing it's mind, and switched to webcamxp - much better.

09:38 <xcamel> pysoft would never answer support questions

09:39 <CoderForLife> good info - thx

09:39 <xcamel> I ran it for about half an hour, and then purchased the reg.

09:40 <CoderForLife> what's all that white stuff on the ground?!

09:41 <xcamel> schneuuuuu

09:41 <xcamel> still

09:42 <CoderForLife> lol  hopefully that will go away soon

09:42 <xcamel> rain tonight will get rid of some of it...

09:42 <xcamel> and the time change...

09:43 <CoderForLife> yeah - the time change wasn't discussed at w@#% - hopefully operations does their thing

09:43 <CoderForLife> the mainframe has to be restarted to change the clock

09:44 <CoderForLife> our "low cost producer" mantra prevents us from buying the hardware component to change the time on-the-fly

09:45 <CoderForLife> to be sure all our systems stay in sync, the NTP source time server in our world is the mainframe

09:47 <CoderForLife> once again, one of my recommendations, since we were getting trades posted at 3:58pm on the servers and timestamped at 4:01 on the mainframe

09:52 <CoderForLife> bbl

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12:03 <xcamel> split and a half

12:04 <PovAddict> looks like it

12:04 <PovAddict> heh

12:04 <Romulus> <> (at

12:10 <xcamel> good one

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12:57 <PovAddict> just got suddenly windy

12:59 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

13:00 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

13:00 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 6:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:42 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.; Chance of Snow. High:44 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.;

13:00 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx eze

13:00 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 82°F / 28°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 3:30 PM ARST; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:86 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Clear. High:80 F.; Clear. Low:62 F.; Chance of Rain. High:77 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:64 F.;

13:00 <PovAddict> now raining cats and dogs

13:01 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm, will need 5 month until we have such temperatures here

13:01 <PovAddict> heh, same

13:01 <PovAddict> will need 5 months to get even close to your temperatures

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13:03 <Fwerp> w00t thats another d/c up

13:19 <yoyo[RKN]> if i have a 64bit windows running a 32bit boinc client, do I get 64bit applications from the projects?

13:19 <PovAddict> no

13:19 <PovAddict> maybe you should be able to...

13:20 <PovAddict> but if you have 64bit OS, you have no reason not to get 64bit BOINC ;)

13:20 <yoyo[RKN]> the question was raised yesterday in our team chat,

13:20 <yoyo[RKN]> because there are 32 and 64bit boinc for linux and win, but only one version for Mac

13:21 <MTughan> The Mac version is a universal binary, with PPC, i386, and x86_64 builds in it.

13:21 <PovAddict> the Mac binary is three (or four) versions in one

13:21 <MTughan> Ah... Two actually? WTF?

13:21 <MTughan> I just have i386 and ppc in mine.

13:21 <PovAddict> huh

13:22 <yoyo[RKN]> and how to get a 64bit app for mac than?

13:22 <MTughan> 6.2.18.

13:22 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: That's a very good question, unless the i386 build detects 64-bit correctly.

13:23 <yoyo[RKN]> is there a project with 64bit mac clients other than milkyway?

13:23 <MTughan> Ah, that's how...

13:23 <PovAddict> supposedly " The BOINC client for the Mac has executables for 3 architectures in a single file: PowerPC, 32-bit Intel and 64-bit Intel"

13:23 <MTughan> The manager is i386 and ppc only, but the CC is all three.

13:24 <yoyo[RKN]> CC=boinc.exe ?

13:24 <yoyo[RKN]> core client

13:24 <PovAddict> yes

13:24 <MTughan> Essentially, although it's just called boinc on Mac.

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13:24 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

13:25 <CoderForLife> er, hi - it seems

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13:29 <CoderForLife> 74F - absofrigginlutely beautiful

13:29 <MTughan> &wx YOW

13:29 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM EST; Today - Cloudy with sunny periods. 30 percent chance of showers late this afternoon. High 8C(46F). UV index 3 or moderate.; Tonight - Cloudy. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Periods of rain beginning (1 more message)

13:29 <MTughan> I'm feeling hot...

13:30 <PovAddict> o.o

13:31 <CoderForLife> back outside to finish this round of chores

13:31 <CoderForLife> laterz BOINCsters

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14:52 <CoderForLife> re-hi

14:53 <CoderForLife> it's (insert your favorite superlative here) nice outside

14:53 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

14:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 76.2F / 24.6C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.6mph / 1.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the mid (1 more message)

14:53 <CoderForLife> &more

14:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the evening. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. Showers and thunderstorms likely... especially in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

14:54 <CoderForLife> Looks like a Coding day tomorrow...

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14:56 <PovAddict> doing the maths, SMS costs $1300 per MB

14:57 <FreeLarry> howdy for short time

14:58 <FreeLarry> i see predictor has been moved to retired projects at BS - ouch it cost me close to 350K in credit

14:58 <FreeLarry> but this time not just on the hosts stats but main stats :(

14:58 <FreeLarry> host stats haven't reflectd lose yet

14:59 <FreeLarry> PovAddict what does sms stand for?

14:59 <PovAddict> short message service

14:59 <PovAddict> (text messages on mobile phones)

15:00 * CoderForLife inspects the room list for "For Short Time"

15:00 <FreeLarry> ugg glad i don't have itlol just glancing in for a short before reading for weds labor CoderForLife

15:00 <FreeLarry> enjoy the sunshine there

15:01 <FreeLarry> &wx 98366

15:01 <CoderForLife> tis very nice here

15:01 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Temperature: 38.3F / 3.5C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 1.1mph / 1.8km/h ; Today - Breezy. Rain and snow showers likely. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch...locally higher amounts on the higher hills. Highs in the upper 30s to mid 40s. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph...except wind becoming northwest north (1 more message)

15:01 <MTughan> Wow, I lost credit today too...

15:01 <CoderForLife> I doubled your temp

15:01 <FreeLarry> blah don't what to se rest

15:01 <MTughan> Just looking at the projects I was attached to, I see a couple missing...

15:01 <FreeLarry> only one i noticed MTughan was predictor - what else?

15:02 * FreeLarry waiting for NQeen to show in stats for me

15:02 <FreeLarry> NQueen

15:02 <MTughan> WEP-M+2, TSP, Superlink@Technion, and Ramsey@Home are all missing for me.

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15:03 <FreeLarry> ahh tsp didn't notice but had a few there to that will be gone then - as well as superlink

15:03 <MTughan> I don't think it's TSP that accounts for it... I didn't have a lot there.

15:04 <MTughan> I'd be willing to bet it was Ramsey that was the big one for me.

15:04 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan : did you have any success with gmp-ecm?

15:04 <FreeLarry> -363,218 what reflected for credit yesterday for me thats after the normal 20K earned

15:05 <MTughan> No other way I can make 43K on other projects and still be down about 4K credits yesterday.

15:05 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Not yet, been busy with other stuff. I wasn't able to compile the BOINC API before either, so at least that's done.

15:05 <FreeLarry> well tca gots to go

15:06 <yoyo[RKN]> ok

15:07 <MTughan> Gonna give it another shot now...

15:08 <CoderForLife> tc FreeLarry

15:10 <CoderForLife> bbiab

15:19 <MTughan> WTF? I get an error saying a .a file is not of the right architecture when linking via make...

15:19 <MTughan> But if I link the .o files in the .a directly, it links just fine.

15:19 <MTughan> Sounds like a linker bug if you ask me.

15:22 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Any tests I should do?

15:23 <yoyo[RKN]> do you have a ecm binary?

15:23 <MTughan> For Intel 32-bit, yes.

15:23 <yoyo[RKN]> wait

15:27 <yoyo[RKN]> download this file

15:27 <Romulus> <> (at

15:27 <yoyo[RKN]> rename it to 'in'

15:28 <PovAddict> wget -O in http://...

15:29 <MTughan> And then just run ecm?

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> wait,

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> ecm -v -nn -timestamp -chkpnt checkpnt -inp in 11000000

15:30 <MTughan> Running now. How long should it take, approximately?

15:30 <yoyo[RKN]> 15mi

15:30 <yoyo[RKN]> n

15:31 <MTughan> Okay.

15:31 <yoyo[RKN]> in the last 2 min it consums most memory

15:31 <MTughan> I've got 600MB free.

15:32 <yoyo[RKN]> it consumes no more than 300

15:32 <MTughan> We'll be fine then.

15:32 <yoyo[RKN]> it's a small one

15:33 <yoyo[RKN]> I have some which runs 10h on a 32bit and consumes 2GB in last 20% of the runtime

15:33 <MTughan> Heh. That's the total memory of this machine.

15:33 <yoyo[RKN]> than boinc would probably not download it

15:34 <yoyo[RKN]> in your run it just print to stdout

15:37 <MTughan> Apparently just finished step 1...

15:38 <yoyo[RKN]> there it should print out the memory esimation

15:38 <MTughan> 199M

15:39 <MTughan> Completed. What do you want for output?

15:39 <yoyo[RKN]> the whole stdout

15:39 <MTughan> Any files?

15:39 <yoyo[RKN]> no, only stdout

15:40 <MTughan> K. Is pastebin fine?

15:40 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

15:40 <MTughan>

15:40 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

15:42 <MTughan> This can probably be optimized more if need be. I'm not using SSEx or processor specific features yet.

15:42 <yoyo[RKN]> the output looks fine

15:54 <MTughan> Attempting a run with a recompiled SSE build.

15:55 <MTughan> Rebuilt libgmp too, it passed all checks.

15:55 <PovAddict>

15:55 <Romulus> <> (at

15:55 <MTughan> No neccessarily. They could be lesbian too. ;)

15:55 <MTughan> Not*

16:05 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: SSE slightly raised run time (step 2 took 10 seconds longer than before), but lowered estimated memory usage from 199M to 127M.

16:06 <yoyo[RKN]> oh, was not aware that sse influences memory requirements

16:07 <MTughan> It's possible that was tree vectorization too. I turned that on, along with pushing -O1 to -O2.

16:08 <MTughan> Just one oddity with the output...

16:08 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

16:08 <MTughan> Namely, the first line.

16:10 <yoyo[RKN]> can you configure it with --enable-asm-redc

16:10 <MTughan> ECM or GMP?

16:10 <yoyo[RKN]> good question

16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> ECM

16:11 <MTughan> Should I also do --enable-sse2? Right now I'm doing it through GCC flags.

16:12 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

16:12 <MTughan> All right, reconfiguring now... I'll let you know the results after it's done...

16:13 <MTughan> "configure: error: asm redc exists only for x86_64 and recent x86"

16:13 <yoyo[RKN]> so no asm-redc

16:13 <yoyo[RKN]> :(

16:14 <MTughan> Well, it's odd. The only x86 processor I could possibly compiling for would be the Core Solo, Core Duo, or any Core 2.

16:15 <MTughan> Ah, it checks the host flag... I pass it i686-apple-darwin, which is technically correct.

16:16 <MTughan> But it rejects it because it's not known. I'll add an exception.

16:23 <MTughan> Shoot... "missing or invalid immediate expression `<...>' taken as 0" "suffix or operands invalid for `pshufd'"

16:24 <MTughan> Wow... Missing feature from Apple's compiler.

16:24 <yoyo[RKN]> sounds not good

16:25 <MTughan> Apparently, 0b* means take the number as binary, which Apple doesn't understand. Converting to the hex or decimal equivalent is apparently the fix.

16:29 <MTughan> Well, the compiler accepts it at least...

16:34 <MTughan> Running now...

16:34 <yoyo[RKN]> see if it is faster..

16:35 <PovAddict> in asm?

16:38 <xcamel> 'lo

16:38 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

16:38 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yeah, it enabled some ASM code, presumably to take advantage of hand-tweaked SSE2.

16:39 <yoyo[RKN]> did you run make check, MTughan

16:40 <MTughan> I didn't modify libgmp.

16:40 <MTughan> It passed the previous check, so I didn't bother testing again.

16:40 <xcamel> well.. almost hit 50F

16:41 <MTughan> I don't see an SSE2 or an asm-redc flag on libgmp anyway.

16:41 <MTughan> Looks like step 1 was about 20 seconds faster...

16:42 <MTughan> Estimated memory the same as before.

16:43 <MTughan> Step 2 was over 20 seconds faster too.

16:44 <MTughan>

16:44 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

16:46 <yoyo[RKN]> step2 from 116s -> 83s

16:46 <MTughan> Oh, 30 seconds faster... Nice speedup.

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16:53 <Fwerp> beefy

16:55 <Fwerp> MTughan: hiya

16:55 <MTughan> 'lo Fwerp

16:55 <Fwerp> how r ya

16:55 <MTughan> Feeling a little sick, but not bad.

16:57 <Fwerp> good good

16:58 <Fwerp> somone gave me a 30" crt today

16:58 <Fwerp> !

16:58 <Fwerp> a dude with a big truck

16:59 <Fwerp>

16:59 <Romulus> <> (at

17:00 <MTughan> You've got a couple computers running now... ;)

17:02 <Fwerp> a feww

17:02 <Fwerp> took the 696mhz offline

17:02 <Fwerp> a few of the dal cores died last night while i was away from the shop

17:02 <Fwerp> dual*

17:02 <Fwerp> must have overheated...

17:03 <Fwerp> and the prescot and the 478 2.2 rebooted also

17:03 <Fwerp> so anywho i put up another d/c to replace the 696...

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17:13 <MTughan> bbiab, have to restart...

17:14 <Fwerp> :D

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17:20 <CoderForLife> just got done watching last nights BSG ep

17:22 <PovAddict> "You were not right. You started asking questions until you found something which you could argue you are right about."

17:22 * PovAddict grabs some popcorn and continues reading the flamewar

17:27 <PovAddict> "So every feature is implemented half-assed, with the other butt-cheek left to the programmer to fill in"

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17:36 <CoderForLife> what are you reading?

17:39 <PovAddict> someone bashing C++

17:39 <PovAddict> on

17:39 <CoderForLife> ah

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17:55 * PovAddict replies in favor of C++

17:56 <CoderForLife> yay

17:56 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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18:19 <Fwerp> bam

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18:28 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

18:28 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 37.9°F / 3.3°C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 7:28 PM AST; Tonight - A few clouds. Increasing cloudiness near midnight. Wind northwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming west 20 km/h (12 mph) this evening then light near midnight. Low 0C(32F).; (2 more messages)

18:28 <Rookie_69> &more

18:28 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Sunday - Periods of snow ending in the afternoon then cloudy. Risk of freezing rain early in the morning. Rain along the coast. Snowfall amount 2 cm(0.8 in). Fog patches developing in the morning. Wind becoming southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) in the morning. High 1C(34F). Sunday night cloudy. 30 percent chance of flurries in the evening. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph). Low -4C(24F).; Monday - (1 more message)

18:28 <Rookie_69> &more

18:28 <Romulus> Rookie_69: A mix of sun and cloud. High 1C(34F).;

18:30 <CoderForLife> good golly it's nice outside - just had to sit out on the deck for awhile and soak it in

18:30 <wdsmia> sit out on my deck and soaked it what you will be

18:30 <Rookie_69> Wind seems about right... Windows have been open for hours and not a wisp has blown through.

18:31 <CoderForLife> heh  it'll rain here later, and tomorrow, no thanks to you stopping it

18:32 <CoderForLife> It was about a year ago when the top of the hill split - I had a nightmare last night featuring cracks in the ground

18:33 <CoderForLife> I just sat out there to try to make peace with the past

18:33 <CoderForLife> the little yippy-yappy neighbor dog would have none of it

18:34 <Rookie_69> Firecrackers in liver...

18:34 * CoderForLife contemplates a gun purchase

18:34 <CoderForLife> elephant tranquilizer should be about right

18:35 <Rookie_69> Lob mortar shells downhill from the dog.

18:37 <Rookie_69> Once their house caves into the river, you should have a pond... as long as they're downstream.

18:38 <CoderForLife> they are up-creek from me

18:38 <Rookie_69> Not good then.

18:38 <CoderForLife> Plan B

18:38 <CoderForLife> tranquilizer gun

18:38 <Rookie_69> :-)

18:39 <CoderForLife> not only will the dog get knocked into tomorrow, it'll get nailed to the fence post on the other side of the yard

18:40 <Rookie_69> Nail gun with all the safeties off...

18:41 * CoderForLife sighs

18:41 <Rookie_69> I dunno... A dog makes a good substitute for a doorbell.

18:41 <Rookie_69> Oh... you said yippt-yappy.

18:42 <Rookie_69> y

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18:43 * CoderForLife studies his Perl Code that calculates some statistical values to see why some are zero

18:44 <Rookie_69> Zero is the perfect balance between plus and minus.

18:45 <Rookie_69> up and down.

18:45 <CoderForLife> seems like it's related to that

18:46 <Rookie_69> Yin and yang

18:46 <Rookie_69> etc.

18:46 <CoderForLife> RSI negative and positive days, in this case

18:49 <Rookie_69> Good thing I don't have a vacuum cleaner, or I wouldn't have any computer case screws left.

18:50 * Rookie_69 picks another one out of the carpet.

18:50 <MTughan>

18:50 <Romulus> Title: Why TV Lost (at

18:53 <Rookie_69> Video On Demand is more convenient, but I'm not going to pay for it either.

18:55 <Rookie_69> If you wait for it... it will come.

18:57 <Rookie_69> Hmm... One of us has to go grocery shopping tomorrow, and I'm afraid it's me.

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19:05 <Rookie_69> Hi, Eddie.

19:19 <Fwerp>

19:19 <Romulus> Title: setigod - Stickam, Live Streaming Video, Watch & Broadcast Interactive Shows, Webcam Chatrooms (at

19:19 <Fwerp> streaming a docu if anyones down 4 watchin

19:19 <Fwerp> bout hunter s thompson..

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19:54 <CoderForLife> gn folks

19:54 <wdsmia> NN Don

19:54 <CoderForLife> gn Doug

19:54 <Rookie_69> NN, Don.

19:55 <CoderForLife> cya Glenn

19:55 <CoderForLife> goodnight John-Boy

19:55 * CoderForLife shows his age

19:55 <efc> night

19:56 <CoderForLife> n efc

19:56 * Rookie_69 always wanted to do Elizabeth.

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19:58 <Rookie_69_> Hmm...

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20:03 <Fwerp> fart

20:03 <wdsmia> asks Fwerp to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:03 <Fwerp>

20:03 <Romulus> Title: At IU, what is Quarry? - Knowledge Base (at

20:23 <MTughan> FreeLarry: If you're still here, stats are fixed. Was a BOINCStats problem.

20:24 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Dunno if you want to update your page again, it's using the wrong stats.

20:27 <Fwerp> oh ho

20:27 <Fwerp> boincstats??

20:27 <Romulus> boincstats is mighty slow today, Fwerp

20:27 <MTughan> Yeah, didn't you see your link before?

20:27 <Fwerp> i was etting Romulus' attention

20:27 <Fwerp> +getting

20:27 <MTughan>

20:27 <Romulus> <> (at

20:27 <Fwerp> yeye

20:28 <Fwerp> assumed the ?? would intise romuli

20:28 <MTughan> Just a single ? will too.

20:28 <MTughan> BOINC?

20:28 <Romulus> BOINC is all perfect and stuff, MTughan

20:29 <Rookie_69> NN.

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20:30 <Fwerp> my stats are wrong

20:30 <Fwerp> i got like 1500 credits

20:30 <MTughan> It's updated once a day really.

20:31 <MTughan> Full update once a day, incremental updates typically every couple hours.

20:31 <Fwerp> oo

20:31 <Fwerp> my dual cores are running hard...

20:31 <Fwerp> waiting on some numbers

20:31 <Fwerp> eesh

20:31 <Fwerp> and the 9800gtx box been on the same job since it started

20:32 <Fwerp> interesting to see everything unfold like this

20:32 <MTughan> Thanks Soul_keeper.

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21:22 <Soul_keeper> i added Fwerp

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23:00 <jasong> Hey, can I run something by you guys?  I don't know what happened, but my boinc install seems to have self-healed somehow?  I made a clean Linux install a few days ago, and the GUI wouldn't work, so I started it command-line and attached it to BAM.  Other than adding my friend Kenny as a user so he could surf the Internet, and a restart, I can't think of any changes.  Yet the GUI seems to have been magically fixed

23:03 <efc> I'd take it :)

23:16 <jasong> Hey, if I'm springing forward, why do I feel like falling back in the morning? ;)

23:24 <efc> Oh no, not that spring forward nonsense

23:38 <XioNYC> Ugh... >_< I'm setting my clocks to UTC and to hell with time zones.

23:40 <XioNYC> Spring forward, fall back, spring forward, fall back... it's like watching ping-pong from the ball's perspective.

23:41 * XioNYC has had a very, very bad start to the weekend. A little rant won't hurt :-)

23:48 <Fwerp>

23:48 <Romulus> <> (at

23:48 <Fwerp> :D

23:58 <Fwerp> my 9800gtx machine is on enhanced now and its flyin...

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