00:23 <Soul_keeper> we're proud of you Fwerp
00:24 <Fwerp> :(
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00:44 <Soul_keeper> gettum !
00:48 <Fwerp> 1,260 credits for one job?!
00:48 <Fwerp> per core.... wtf
00:48 <Soul_keeper> for what ?
00:50 <Soul_keeper> good one
00:50 <Soul_keeper> AP don't get enough attention
00:50 <Fwerp> ?
00:50 <Soul_keeper> most people run MB stuff when they think optimized
00:52 <Soul_keeper> well it seems nearly 700 for an MB task
00:52 <Fwerp> mb?
00:53 <Soul_keeper> multi band
00:53 <Soul_keeper> regular seti enhanced
00:53 <Fwerp> oo
00:53 <Fwerp> i switched it to seti enhanced...
00:54 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [03:18:716] 02 - I'm_Gonna_Be_Somebody .:. Travis_Tritt .:. Country_Club .:. Track 2
00:58 <Soul_keeper> i mispoke
00:58 <Soul_keeper> that 670 or so was AP on my machine
00:58 <Soul_keeper> only about 1/10th of that for MB
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01:14 <Fwerp> boof
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01:35 <Soul_keeper> i'm a super hero !
01:49 <Fwerp> 10k credits in my first 6 days
01:49 <Fwerp> 6k pending...
01:50 <Fwerp> 8k crdits
01:50 <Fwerp> in first 6...
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01:50 <Fwerp> 1.8 + 6.2
03:57 <Soul_keeper> good work
03:57 <Soul_keeper> maybe you'll find the cure for aids, or decode ET talking to his mother on mother's day
04:14 <Soul_keeper> i dunno why seti sent me over 200 Wu's
04:14 <Soul_keeper> i guess having a 10 days buffer will do that with cuda ...
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06:13 * KathrynM waves
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07:21 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM
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07:37 <up365> Boy, seti laid a 283.55hr astropulse on my poor single core pc but it's halfway there.
07:37 <KathrynM> hiya CoderForLife
07:40 * CoderForLife fixes a calculation that affects 3,404,640 rows of his database
07:41 <CoderForLife> what wuz I thinking
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07:41 <KathrynM> eek
07:41 <CoderForLife> but... that's what computers are for
07:41 * KathrynM rearranges the cat to make typing easier
07:44 * CoderForLife "cat"s a text file
07:45 * CoderForLife looks at it's tail
07:45 <KathrynM> lol
07:45 <CoderForLife> oh my
07:45 <CoderForLife> fork, pipe...
07:45 <CoderForLife> it could get ugly
07:46 <KathrynM> it could
07:46 <CoderForLife> this is looking good http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/startrek_trailer3_large.html
07:46 <CoderForLife> it had my doubts at first
07:47 <KathrynM> *sigh*
07:47 <KathrynM> no quicktime on this computer
07:49 <CoderForLife> sorry
07:49 <CoderForLife> Quicktime is a standard component for me
07:50 * CoderForLife prepares to do a MySQL Alter Table SQL call
07:50 <CoderForLife> I don't do this often =)
07:50 <KathrynM> sounds like fun
07:50 <CoderForLife> good way to screw up the database
07:51 <CoderForLife> Eeeeee-whack!
07:51 <KathrynM> hey, that's what backups are for :p
07:52 * KathrynM takes her tired/sick body to bed
07:52 <KathrynM> laters
07:52 <CoderForLife> later
08:09 <xcamel> 'lo
08:14 <CoderForLife> Happy Birthday xcamel
08:20 <xcamel> thanks
08:28 <xcamel> there is a nasty storm line headed your way... might be late afternoon
08:33 <CoderForLife> looking
08:35 <CoderForLife> SE Illinois
08:36 <CoderForLife> yeah - we'll probaby get a taste of it later
08:36 <xcamel> tornado warnings for MO
08:36 <xcamel> several
08:37 <CoderForLife> oh I see that now
08:37 <CoderForLife> very bad
08:37 <CoderForLife> lot's of energy so early in the day
08:37 <xcamel> uh-huh
08:38 <CoderForLife> that'll bear watching as the day progresses
08:39 <CoderForLife> thx for the heads-up on that one
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08:53 <xcamel> e blinks in and out..
08:57 <CoderForLife> long time no anything from him
08:58 <CoderForLife> &seen e-30
08:58 <Romulus> CoderForLife: e-30 was last seen in #boinc 12 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <e-30> hi how is everyone
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09:02 <e-30> hi
09:03 <xcamel> 'lo e
09:03 <xcamel> back from the great void, eh?
09:05 <e-30> yea i am at last
09:06 <xcamel> still unmarried?
09:06 <e-30> i jest got done wipeing this computer
09:06 <e-30> yea
09:06 <xcamel> lol
09:07 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel
09:08 <e-30> loading boinc now one this comoputer again
09:09 <e-30> so how are things with you
09:11 <e-30> be back got to reset computer
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09:16 <e-30> ok i am back
09:17 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
09:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 38.0°F / 3.3°C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Rain showers and thunderstorms early in the morning...then rain in the late morning and early afternoon. Locally heavy rainfall possible early in the morning. High in the lower 40s. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph shifting to the (2 more messages)
09:17 <wdsmia> &more
09:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: northwest 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon. Gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 20s. North wind 5 to 10 mph. Gusts up to 20 mph in the evening.; Monday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of rain showers and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. High around 50. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the (1 more message)
09:17 <wdsmia> &more
09:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: afternoon. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.;
09:18 <e-30> how is it going
09:18 <wdsmia> its wet
09:19 <e-30> lol it cold and wendy here
09:21 <wdsmia> coffee pot didnt get the time change :(
09:25 <e-30> lol
09:25 <xcamel> 38 here, but the sun is trying to come out..
09:26 <CoderForLife> 65F cloudy
09:26 <CoderForLife> wb e-30
09:26 <e-30> thabnks a lot
09:26 <e-30> thanks
09:26 <e-30> lol
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09:26 <CoderForLife> how have you been
09:27 <e-30> good been better
09:27 <CoderForLife> about 12 weeks since last visit
09:27 <e-30> yea
09:27 <CoderForLife> still cranking WUs?
09:27 <e-30> yea QMC@home
09:27 <CoderForLife> heh
09:28 <CoderForLife> I got tired of driving in your dust
09:29 <e-30> i am still in first in that one
09:29 <e-30> lol
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09:32 <CoderForLife> oops
09:39 <xcamel> so much for the 'twirl-a-squirrel"
09:40 <xcamel> bottom capture
09:41 <wdsmia> looks like the squirrel got the best of you
09:41 <xcamel> he hangs on with his back fee and just spins while eating
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10:11 <CoderForLife> I wuz wunderin how your twirl-a-squirrel was working out
10:11 <CoderForLife> nuf said
10:20 <xcamel> it works 99% of the time
10:20 <xcamel> btw.. we have redwings back now.
10:20 <xcamel> the real sign of spring
10:23 <CoderForLife> I hear a cowbird outside - ditto
10:30 <CoderForLife> whew - finally got my Perl script to match the expected results in the Excel spreadhseet - w00t
11:06 <xcamel> yuk - rain, wintery mix tomorrow...
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11:21 <wdsmia> Oh hell... err hail
11:23 <xcamel> looks like a pretty strong storm
11:23 <xcamel> and a wicked cell south of you..
11:24 <wdsmia> looks like were almost out of it
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11:26 <Soul_keeper> k
11:30 *** fwerp2 is now known as Fwerp
11:30 <Fwerp> hi
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11:40 <xcamel> 'lo
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11:43 <xcamel> &wx 12074
11:43 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 44.8°F / 7.1°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs around 50. Northwest winds around 10 mph.; Tonight - Rain likely in the evening...then rain after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. (1 more message)
11:44 <xcamel> &more
11:44 <Romulus> xcamel: Chance of rain 90 percent.; Monday - Rain and snow. Much colder. Near steady temperature in the mid 30s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 6:00 PM EDT on March 09, 2009;
11:44 <CoderForLife> m'back
11:44 <xcamel> &ping
11:44 <Romulus> pong
11:45 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
11:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 66.5°F / 19.2°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 7.3mph / 11.7km/h ; This Afternoon - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Some storms may be severe. Highs around 70. Southwest winds around 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with showers (1 more message)
11:45 <CoderForLife> &more
11:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: and thunderstorms in the evening...then partly cloudy with a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 40s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 40 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny. Colder with highs in the upper 50s. North winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph...becoming east in the afternoon.;
11:46 <Samizdat> &wx 89502
11:46 <Romulus> Samizdat: Temperature: 38.3°F / 3.5°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Today - Windy. Sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 45 to 55. Northwest winds around 10 mph increasing to southwest 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 50 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Windy. Partly cloudy (1 more message)
11:46 <Samizdat> &more
11:46 <Romulus> Samizdat: with isolated snow showers. Lows 23 to 33. Southwest winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 50 mph.; Monday - Brisk. Mostly cloudy with scattered snow showers in the morning...then isolated snow showers in the afternoon. Highs 33 to 43. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 45 mph.; Wind Advisory for Washoe County in effect until 7:00 AM PDT on March 09, 2009;
11:51 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977
11:51 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 54.5°F / 12.5°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 29.38in / 994.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Highs 60 to 65. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...becoming cloudy. Patchy drizzle and fog. Lows 42 (1 more message)
11:52 <Fwerp> boop
11:53 * CoderForLife runs a Perl script to recalculate 3,404,640 rows of his database
11:54 <Soul_keeper> :)
11:54 <CoderForLife> I've been calculating a important number wrong since about 2001
11:55 <CoderForLife> but it works now
11:56 <CoderForLife> takes awhile to do 3M+ rows
11:57 <xcamel> I bet it does
11:57 <Romulus> Title: Ohio National Online (at www.ohionational.com)
11:59 <Soul_keeper> i need to add some logic to my code to deal with "fall back" still have some time tho
11:59 <Soul_keeper> spring forward don't break it
11:59 <Soul_keeper> nice site
11:59 <Soul_keeper> that's guy looks deep in concentration ...
12:00 <Romulus> Title: Ohio National Online (at www.ohionational.com)
12:01 <xcamel> nope.. dead.
12:01 <CoderForLife> it's a redirect
12:01 <CoderForLife> what browser?
12:01 <Romulus> what browser are you using, CoderForLife
12:01 <CoderForLife> I asked xcamel
12:01 <Soul_keeper> sounds like a better idea that flash/shockwave junk to me
12:01 <Soul_keeper> than*
12:02 <Soul_keeper> i wouldn't expect grandma/grandpa to know what a "shockwave" is
12:04 <PovAddict> ask the bot
12:04 <PovAddict> (I cant copypaste here)
12:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Ohio National Online
12:05 <xcamel> nope - it hates my browser..
12:05 <CoderForLife> what browser, xcamel?
12:05 <xcamel> opera
12:05 <CoderForLife> ah ok
12:06 <CoderForLife> we've only had one user ever logged assessing our site using opera
12:06 <PovAddict> CFL: try your site in browsershots.org
12:06 <CoderForLife> the QA team didn't test with opera, due to time constraints
12:06 <xcamel> firefox complains about an incorrect certificate authority
12:07 <CoderForLife> Hmm - not in my Firefox
12:07 <Soul_keeper> i've got the latest firefox, compiled last night. no issues here
12:07 <PovAddict> ah SSL...
12:07 <xcamel> check that - "unknown certificate authority"
12:08 <CoderForLife> SSL cert looks ok
12:08 <PovAddict> what root authority?
12:08 <CoderForLife> Versign Class 3 CA
12:08 <CoderForLife> er, Verisign
12:12 <CoderForLife> The cert looks ok to me in IE7 and FF3 - what are you seeing xcamel?
12:15 <Samizdat> Can anyone tell me how to run SETI@home without the BOINC Manager?
12:16 <PovAddict> i can help you with that but not right now
12:16 <Samizdat> aight
12:17 <PovAddict> i'm on a slow-typing device
12:17 <Samizdat> or "ah-EET" for you audiophiles
12:17 <Fwerp> uh wha
12:18 <Fwerp> *toke*
12:18 <Samizdat> don' Bogart it now
12:18 <xcamel> "unable to verify as a trusted site"
12:18 <Fwerp> Lamb of god - Ashes Of The Wake - 00 - Ashes Of The Wake
12:18 <Fwerp> neighbors hate me....
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12:44 <xcamel> Marlyn Manson sings Barny Favorites..
13:07 <Soul_keeper> is there any LEGAL way to make the neighbor's pitbull not growl, bark, and bite at the fence constantly anytime i go in my backyard ??
13:08 <CoderForLife> let me know if you figure that out Soul_keeper
13:08 <Soul_keeper> i can see the owner, sitting in his house like he don't care, he thinks it's cool that his dog wants to kill whitey
13:09 <Soul_keeper> i was out there with the pressure washer the other day, boy was that tempting
13:09 <Soul_keeper> maybe i'll just get a can of mace
13:10 <Soul_keeper> knowing my luck i'll end up in jail if i mace the neighbor's dog
13:16 <Fwerp> Soul_keeper: valume stuffed inside steak
13:20 <Soul_keeper> a baseball bat, or bullet to the head would be the preferred method
13:21 <Fwerp> get the dog high
13:21 <Fwerp> feed it gun powder it'll make it crazy, attack owner
13:21 <Soul_keeper> it's a matter of common neighborly curteousy, to dissipline your dog if you notice it trying to kill the neighbor thru the fence
13:21 <Fwerp> j/k j/k
13:22 <Fwerp> but ur whitey
13:22 <Soul_keeper> yup, so i guess i have to kill his dog
13:22 <Soul_keeper> that'll just fuel the guy's victim complex tho .... look what whitey did to my dog !?!?!
13:23 <Fwerp> really got a complex?
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13:23 <Fwerp> socialist bastards...
13:23 <Soul_keeper> can't prove me wrong
13:24 <Soul_keeper> the thing is, if i kill his dog, he likely won't call the cops cause he's high all the time
13:25 <xcamel> some chinese prozak in a cheese ball for the doggie..
13:25 <Fwerp> hot dog pumped with insulin
13:25 <Soul_keeper> :)
13:25 <CoderForLife> Mt Vernon Illinois about to take a beating
13:25 <Fwerp> hash brwnies for poochie?
13:26 <xcamel> radiator coolant, but it's really cruel
13:26 <Fwerp> feed it seltser tablets and call animal control on the wild rabies dog
13:26 <Fwerp> they will come shoot it
13:26 <Fwerp> *PACKOW*
13:27 <xcamel> now there's an idea..
13:27 <Soul_keeper> nice
13:27 <xcamel> Alka-BAM!
13:32 <Fwerp> [12:27] <Soul_keeper> goin to the drug store, bbiab
13:33 <Fwerp> aha!
13:33 <Fwerp> murderer
13:33 <Fwerp> erer
13:33 <Soul_keeper> i think i'll just get some mace everytime that thing barks i'll give it a face full
13:34 <Soul_keeper> i'll wait till the neighbor is not home, so i won't have to mace him too
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13:49 <CoderForLife> I think I'll nap - bbl
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14:47 <PovAddict> has anyone tried Google Picasa?
14:47 <Soul_keeper> i'm sure somebody has
14:52 <PovAddict> actually... does anyone have a recommendation for picture organizer software?
14:52 <PovAddict> I'd choose iPhoto, except I'm looking for a Windows app :)
14:54 <Fwerp> uh
14:55 <Fwerp> the recylce bin in windows is a bit diff. just drag ur photo's toit and it will "recycle" them into albums
14:55 <PovAddict> yeah right
14:56 <wdsmia> lol
14:56 <Fwerp> lol...
14:56 <Fwerp> i use media center on my personal stuff
14:57 <Fwerp> media centers photo thingy is sweet
14:57 <Fwerp> but it wont organise em n stuff u gotta doit MANUALLY
14:58 <Fwerp> cowboy bebop episode 23... where ppl copy their souls to the internet
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15:29 <MTughan> o_O
15:29 <PovAddict> ?
15:29 <MTughan> The link SK posted.
15:30 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict has me on ignore
15:30 <MTughan> PovAddict: You have Soul_keeper on ignore?
15:30 <PovAddict> damn
15:30 <PovAddict> I took him out of ignore, but then I had Konversation crash
15:31 <PovAddict> and it only saves settings on a normal exit, so when I restarted it SK went back to the ignore list
15:31 <PovAddict> lol wtf
15:31 <Soul_keeper> is that your gun PovAddict ? :)
15:31 <Fwerp> :D
15:31 <MTughan> <Soul_keeper> is that your gun PovAddict ? :)
15:32 <PovAddict> I took him back out of ignore, but maybe he's trying to go back to the list
15:32 <Soul_keeper> hmmm boincstats is taking awhile to give Fwerp credit
15:32 *** wdsmia_ is now known as wdsmia
15:32 <Soul_keeper> don't be such a girl PovAddict
15:32 <MTughan> BOINCStats added a new measurement today, World Cup Points.
15:33 <PovAddict> what is that?
15:33 <Romulus> or what drives many of the ATA crowd
15:33 <Fwerp> Total credit 3,885
15:33 <Fwerp> Recent average credit 353.01
15:33 <PovAddict> forget what
15:33 <Romulus> 10-4, PovAddict.
15:33 <MTughan> What are World Cup Points?
15:33 <Fwerp> Pending credit: 5,166.43 teehee
15:35 <wdsmia> @twerp 130,004 and it was a bad day
15:36 <MTughan> Got 38K yesterday, bad day too.
15:36 <wdsmia> 363K yesterday :)
15:37 <Fwerp> :(
15:37 <Fwerp> ive only had a few days
15:37 <Fwerp> busy man, i got like 30 machines to build
15:37 <Fwerp> eesh
15:37 * Fwerp crys
15:38 <wdsmia> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_100947_project-1.gif now you can cry lol
15:39 <Fwerp> my god im not even making a dent
15:40 <PovAddict> wdsmia: ooh hold on
15:40 <PovAddict> Fwerp: link me to your boincstats
15:41 <wdsmia> this should be good lol
15:43 <PovAddict> nope, graph looks crap
15:43 <PovAddict> because he joined recently
15:43 <wdsmia> ok how about me and you pov
15:44 <PovAddict> wdsmia: see MTughan's linik
15:44 <PovAddict> link*
15:44 <MTughan> That link I posted is PovAddict, wdsmia, me, and Soul_keeper.
15:44 <PovAddict> my god you really sped up in the past months >.<
15:44 <wdsmia> ahh thanks
15:44 <MTughan> Isn't that only in the past three weeks?
15:45 <PovAddict> whatever
15:45 <PovAddict> I'm at the bottom of the graphs D:
15:45 <MTughan> wdsmia: What the heck did you add?
15:45 <wdsmia> :) im not telling
15:45 <MTughan> PovAddict: I think because your stats are still hurting from when you went to Spain.
15:45 <PovAddict> I dunno, my line is barely visible
15:46 <PovAddict> you know what that graph needs? antialiased lines
15:46 <PovAddict> omg I just remembered
15:46 <PovAddict> I left FreeLarry's computer downloading Einstein stats while I was in Spain
15:46 <PovAddict> I forgot >.<
15:46 <PovAddict> hope I didn't fill up his disk
15:46 <wdsmia> btw: pov did you get a chance to go the 7 doors?
15:46 <PovAddict> nope
15:49 <PovAddict> hmm can I just concatenate .tar files with 'cat'?
15:49 <MTughan> No idea... Possible.
15:52 <MTughan> Did you lose a computer or something?
15:53 <yoyo[RKN]> think yes, PovAddict
15:53 <Soul_keeper> i just tested it
15:53 <Soul_keeper> it don't work
15:53 <PovAddict> I think one of the w$%& machines I had on BOINC was *reformatted* while I was in Spain
15:53 <Soul_keeper> works only for the last file catted to the .tar
15:53 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: I just looked at my bash history and looks like I did it before and worked
15:54 <PovAddict> as long as it's not compressed, of course
15:54 <Soul_keeper> likely some kinda of index/header for the archive that gets overwritten
15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> IMO has tar no index and header
15:54 <PovAddict> tar has a header before each file
15:54 <PovAddict> so it's no problem to cat
15:54 <Soul_keeper> it does have a header
15:55 <PovAddict> (gunzip -c foo.tar.gz; gunzip -c bar.tar.gz) | gzip -9c > foobar.tar.gz
15:58 <Soul_keeper> s/overwritten/ignored/
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16:07 <PovAddict> wtf
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16:23 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
16:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 36.9°F / 2.7°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy with a slight chance of rain and isolated snow showers. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy early in the (1 more message)
16:23 <wdsmia> &more
16:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: evening then becoming partly cloudy. Low in the upper 20s. North wind 5 to 10 mph. Gusts up to 20 mph in the evening.; Monday - Partly sunny. A 40 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Warmer. High in the upper 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.;
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16:48 <CoderForLife> BOINC installations are not known to survive reformatting PovAddict
16:49 <PovAddict> I think they replaced the HDD too
16:49 <CoderForLife> another hurdle to jump
16:49 <PovAddict> that computer used to have a "user", but he was fired a few months ago (then I installed BOINC on it since nobody was using it :P)
16:50 <CoderForLife> you had an opportunity to advance The Cause
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16:50 <PovAddict> then while I was on holiday it had its hard disk replaced, dunno why
16:50 <CoderForLife> the opposite would happen where I w@#% - you'd be fired for putting BOINC on it
16:51 <PovAddict> last Friday we installed Rational Team Concert server (and DB2) on it
16:51 <CoderForLife> BOINC is a higher, better use
16:52 <PovAddict> I don't think I'd be fired for installing BOINC, in an environment with a full-of-warez fileserver, and one in 15 computers having a genuine copy of Windoze
16:52 <CoderForLife> well, I finished my Perl fixes and updated my database; now to upgrade some Java Code to pull data off the new web site they brought up yesterday
16:53 <CoderForLife> I guess the software police don't get to .ar
16:53 <PovAddict> (incidentally, that laptop with genuine Windows causes us problems... Windows XP Home Edition doesn't like being in an Active Directory)
16:53 <CoderForLife> Home and AD? probably not
16:53 <MTughan> You should install a distro with KDE4.2 on it and tell them it's Win7. xD
16:54 <PovAddict> MTughan: does KMail support Microsoft Exchange? :)
16:54 * CoderForLife starts Eclipse
16:54 <MTughan> I'm guessing no?
16:54 <PovAddict> correct
16:54 <MTughan> What about Thunderbird?
16:54 <PovAddict> Apple had to buy a damn-expensive license from Microsoft to be able to support Exchange in the iPhone
16:55 <PovAddict> even if the protocol was documented, you wouldn't be allowed to implement it without the license... I'm guessing patents are involved
16:56 <MTughan> Yeah, the US patent system doesn't really work for computers anymore...
16:56 <PovAddict> the US patent system has never worked right
16:57 * CoderForLife notices the "Cincinnati Split" opening in the approaching storm front http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lvx&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no
16:57 <Romulus> Title: NWS radar image from Louisville, KY (at radar.weather.gov)
16:57 <PovAddict> "U.S. Patent 5,443,036 , "Method of exercising a cat", covers having a cat chase the beam from a laser pointer. The patent has been criticised as being obvious."
16:57 <CoderForLife> duplicates existing art
16:58 <MTughan> One way we exercise our dog: turn on the treadmill.
16:58 <MTughan> He goes on of his own free will, and will walk for a bit, longer if someone is on with him.
17:00 <PovAddict> "The US swing patent does not match an Australian patent on the wheel for sheer absurdity. However, in that case, an Australian lawyer was able to sneak the wheel patent through a fast-track application system. The US patent went through the full application procedure."
17:00 <PovAddict> reinventing the wheel and patenting it too
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17:29 <Soul_keeper> watching the western channel, there was an infamous gunslinger that killed over 15 men
17:29 <Soul_keeper> but he was an alcoholic and ended up dying while riding a wagon drinking
17:30 <Soul_keeper> he fell out and his own wagon ran him over
17:30 <Soul_keeper> was apparently on his way to shoot someone else ...
17:31 <wdsmia> sh** happends
17:31 <Soul_keeper> :)
17:32 <Soul_keeper> that's much funnier than the ways the other famous gunslingers dyed. ie: shot in the back at a bar, shot while coming out of a bedroom with a girl, shot while straightening a picture frame on a chair ...
17:34 <Soul_keeper> welp i'm gonna find someone that still respects me to share this funny tidbit with
17:34 <wdsmia> stay at the Bar... stay with the girl and dont touch that picture
17:34 <Soul_keeper> :)
17:59 <CoderForLife> there may be no getting around this storm front
18:01 <wdsmia> your turn and you can have it
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18:03 <CoderForLife> I hear distant cicil defense sirens
18:03 <CoderForLife> er civil
18:03 <wdsmia> nasty cell to your west
18:03 <PovAddict> strong storm huh
18:04 <CoderForLife> I am near the Hamilton County line
18:04 <CoderForLife> Hamilton County sirens
18:05 * CoderForLife continues Coding while the distraction builds
18:06 <wdsmia> sirens grab your Ankles and kiss your....
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18:29 <CoderForLife> just starting to rain - storm front looking less angry
18:30 <CoderForLife> I.. would.. like.. to.. get.. through.. this.. intact..
18:31 <PovAddict> get a bunker
18:31 <wdsmia> hide behind the wall
18:31 <PovAddict> compressing the huge amount of Einstein@Home stats I left downloading on FreeLarry's machine
18:31 <PovAddict> file 831/1271
18:49 <CoderForLife> first thunder
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19:00 <Fwerp> how do u do such high jobs a day?
19:00 <Fwerp> 38k!
19:01 <Fwerp> 220k!
19:01 <Fwerp> last i was here we were discussing
19:01 <Fwerp> ...
19:01 <Fwerp> obviously alot of power, but how much
19:03 <MTughan> wdsmia's got a lot of computers, and I've got an ATI card just destroying Milkyway@Home WUs.
19:04 <infinisoft> Ooh, when did Milkyway have a GPU app?
19:04 <MTughan> Unofficial app right now, but there's an ATI app for it.
19:06 <CoderForLife> first wave of heavy rain is through
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19:35 <CoderForLife> nice fluffy orange clouds on the back side of the storm
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19:36 * CoderForLife struggles where to add an SSL certificate to the local truststore for his Java Code
19:37 <CoderForLife> Security Is Rarely Convenient
19:40 <PovAddict> guess what was our main problem installing Rational Team Concert
19:40 <CoderForLife> um give me a minuteSecurity
19:41 <PovAddict> apparently logging in with the network admin account (that is, the "Administrator" account in active directory) doesn't automagically give *local* admin access to the computer
19:41 <CoderForLife> I bet you thought of me, huh?
19:42 <CoderForLife> I'm trying to find the truststore on my local HD
19:42 <PovAddict> possibly a hidden file
19:42 <CoderForLife> javax.net.ssl.trustStore
19:42 <PovAddict> or possibly doesn't exist (first time you add a custom cert you'd have to create the file)
19:42 <CoderForLife> oh -wait - that's a property
19:43 * CoderForLife sighs
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19:46 <vkumar> Hello! generally, where does most of BOINC development take place? at Berkeley?
19:52 <PovAddict> yes
19:52 <PovAddict> there are 3 main developers and I *think* all three are physically at the University
19:53 <PovAddict> I might be wrong
19:53 <KathrynM> Rom is in Florida
19:53 <PovAddict> ah yes, now I recall he worked from home
19:53 <PovAddict> David is definitely at the university
19:53 <PovAddict> dunno about charlie
19:53 <KathrynM> AFAIK, Charlie is in Berkeley
19:54 <KathrynM> But I could be wrong
19:54 <KathrynM> It happens once every couple of years
19:54 <wdsmia> Rom used to live in washington state
19:54 <PovAddict> KathrynM: what, you being wrong?
19:54 <KathrynM> yup
19:54 <vkumar> thank you
19:55 <KathrynM> ha, Lexulous just greeted me in Korean :)
19:55 <Soul_keeper> i got it calculated i'd need 37 quads to match the performance of a single 4870 in milkyway
19:56 <wdsmia> lol
19:56 <Soul_keeper> that's 37 Q9450's overclocked
19:56 <KathrynM> my brother is cheating at scrabble.
19:56 <KathrynM> At least he was kind enough to give me the regexp
19:57 <KathrynM> too bad I don't understand it
19:57 <KathrynM> too bad I'm still beating him, just using my brain
19:57 <vkumar> regex-scrabble.. now there's an invention.
19:58 <KathrynM> looks like a foreign language to me
19:58 <KathrynM> score on that game is 294 to 168 with me winning
19:58 <PovAddict> with him cheating?
19:59 <PovAddict> btw, if it's a posix regex
19:59 <PovAddict> grep "put regex here" /usr/share/dict/words
19:59 <Soul_keeper> Yorkfield is comprised of 820M transistors, 4870 has 956 Million just baffling
20:00 <KathrynM> yup, with him cheating
20:00 <KathrynM> he's using egrep
20:00 <KathrynM> and yeah, that's what he was doing
20:00 <KathrynM> he was kind enough to share
20:00 <PovAddict> kind?
20:00 <PovAddict> he has a reason for sharing
20:01 <PovAddict> if you beat him, he can claim it's because you used the regex too
20:01 <KathrynM> may be his way of teaching
20:01 <KathrynM> lol
20:01 <KathrynM> I was beating him before he shared
20:02 <wdsmia> If you want to beat them teach them wrong lol
20:02 <Romulus> Title: Maciej meets Patty via Lexulous! (at www.lexulous.com)
20:02 <KathrynM> awwwwwwwww
20:02 <infinisoft> Soul_keeper: Also has a lot to do with the ratio of logic to cache xtors, and also getting high single thread performance on an Intel takes up a great deal of the logic
20:03 * KathrynM better get ready for w&@%
20:03 <KathrynM> laters
20:03 <Soul_keeper> if this stream/cuda stuff gets anymore mainstream those kind of performance disparities will have to be addressed by intel/amd
20:03 <Soul_keeper> that's intense
20:04 <PovAddict> the industry is in a good state when the only way to compete is to make a better product
20:10 * CoderForLife throws in the towel on the keystore
20:10 <CoderForLife> just not enough brain cells
20:10 <CoderForLife> gn folks
20:11 <MTughan> Night CFL.
20:11 <wdsmia> cya Don
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21:16 <xcamel> re-hi
21:16 <MTughan> 'lo Jay
21:22 <xcamel> Hi Mike
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22:56 <zombie67> MT: you are working on opt MW apps for OSX?
22:57 <MTughan> Yeah.
22:57 <zombie67> cool
22:57 <zombie67> I get my cards on Monday!
22:57 <MTughan> I'd been trying to get more speed out of them, but I don't think I'm going to get much else out of the GCC compiler for now. Probably put them out tonight or tomorrow.
22:57 <zombie67> two quick Qs
22:58 <zombie67> 1) Where do I get the win GPU app and app_info?
22:58 <Romulus> Title: ZSLIP.COM (at zslip.com)
22:59 <zombie67> 2) How do I adjust the number of tasks to run at once?
22:59 <MTughan> That's not where the original applications are hosted, but it's a mirror provided by another member, and kept upt to date quite vigilantly.
23:00 <MTughan> The default values in the app_info work quite well with ncpus in cc_config set to cores + 1.
23:00 <MTughan> For two WUs running.
23:00 <zombie67> ah! So I have to adjust cc_congif too?
23:00 <MTughan> Possibly not. Let me see what I can possibly do...
23:00 <zombie67> does each gpu task also take a CPU?
23:01 <MTughan> BTW, GPU app version 0.19d brings lower CPU usage, on the order of 1-2% for each task, compared to a full core for 0.19b.
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23:02 <zombie67> but this isn't cuda, which BOINC support, right? so each task will allocate a CPU, even if it uses a small %?
23:02 <MTughan> I think ideal would be to set the cc_config to "add" a core, so it'll run 4 CPU tasks and however many GPU tasks, for the most part.
23:02 <MTughan> Correct.
23:03 <MTughan> However many GPU tasks can be figured out by setting avg_ncpus to 1/n, where n is the number of tasks you'd like to run.
23:03 <MTughan> So to run 4 tasks at a time, set it to 1/4, or 0.25.
23:03 <MTughan> Comes by default with 0.5.
23:03 <zombie67> so if the default is 2 GPU tasks, then I need to add two cpus to my natural number in cc_config?
23:04 <zombie67> set what where??
23:04 <MTughan> Okay, hold on...
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23:04 <zombie67> sorry, I thought this would be quick and simple
23:04 <MTughan> You'll want to add one CPU to the nature number in cc_config, and then use the avg_ncpus in app_info to determine how many GPU tasks.
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23:05 <zombie67> okay, and what is the default # for avg_ncpus?
23:06 <MTughan> If the resource shares are set right (we'll get into that later), then BOINC will run actual CPU tasks for the true number of cores, and then however many GPU tasks so it thinks it's filled up the last core.
23:06 <zombie67> okay
23:06 <MTughan> Default value is 0.5, so it'll run 2 tasks to fill up the last core that you've "added".
23:06 <MTughan> It's fairly simple once you think it through.
23:06 <zombie67> okay
23:07 <zombie67> so lets say I want to run 4 CPU tasks (other projects) + 2 GPU MW tasks
23:07 <MTughan> Assuming quad core?
23:07 <zombie67> how to I make BOINC NOT allocate MW to the CPUs
23:07 <zombie67> yes
23:07 <zombie67> how do
23:08 <MTughan> That's basically my setup, although I'm just running one CPU project, dunno if it's the same for you.
23:08 <zombie67> heh, I am usually attached to 20-40 projects at a time
23:08 <MTughan> cc_config, ncpus = 5; app_info, avg_ncpus = 0.5; resource share for MW = 50, other project = 100
23:09 <MTughan> You just have to tweak the resource shares around, depending on what you're running. It's not perfect.
23:09 <zombie67> um
23:10 <zombie67> so I want MW to be 1/5th if I have 5 (4+1) CPUs?
23:10 <PovAddict> <zombie67> how to I make BOINC NOT allocate MW to the CPUs
23:10 <PovAddict> the scheduler is not configurable :)
23:11 <MTughan> No, that's the odd thing. It's based on the number of tasks running, not how many cores each app is taking.
23:11 <zombie67> okay, so the 2/6ths?
23:11 <MTughan> So if you wanted 4 CPU tasks and 4 GPU tasks...
23:11 <MTughan> avg_ncpus = 0.25; resource share, MW=100, other project=100.
23:11 <zombie67> pov, yeah, this is getting ugly
23:12 <MTughan> If it didn't give me this many credits, I wouldn't consider it worthwhile. It does take a fair amount of manual configuration at this point.
23:13 <MTughan> As I said before, if BOINC would only allow you to assign projects to CPU cores...
23:13 <zombie67> so with 4+1 cpus, 2 MW tasks running, I want to make MW 2/6ths or 33.33%, right?
23:13 <MTughan> You'd still need to set ncpus and avg_ncpus, but resource shares wouldn't matter.
23:13 <MTughan> Correct.
23:14 <MTughan> Yeah, it's the ratios that matter, not the actual numbers.
23:14 <zombie67> okay, I got it
23:15 <zombie67> thanks for the help again
23:15 <MTughan> np
23:18 <zombie67> so, lets say I have my resource share off. Or it may take some time to catch up to my new allocation.
23:18 <MTughan> Resource share off?
23:18 <zombie67> I now have 5 "CPU"s, and they are all running non-MW tasks, even though there are MW tasks in the queue?
23:19 <zombie67> off = not correct
23:19 <MTughan> It's possible those are the debts. Or just the resource shares.
23:19 <zombie67> Hmmm.....
23:19 <MTughan> You could always just try resetting debts to 0 this once.
23:20 <zombie67> I will be putting these in 8-way machines, running very long lattice and CPDN tasks
23:20 <PovAddict> someone should write a good debt-visualization tool...
23:20 <zombie67> I would LOVE to see a column on the proj tab, that shows the % of debt (adding up to 100%) for each project
23:20 <PovAddict> I think the best UI is a ruler with 0 in the middle, and vertical lines along the horizontal ruler representing the projects
23:21 <MTughan> zombie67: How does that show negative debt?
23:21 <PovAddict> if you see a project way too negative that you want to get work from, you drag it to be positive
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23:21 <PovAddict> and then all lines arrange so avg is 0
23:21 <MTughan> Remember, at least currently, all the debts add up to 0.
23:22 <zombie67> debt is treated as relative to other projects, right?
23:22 <PovAddict> positive debt means your computer owes CPU time to the project
23:22 <MTughan> I think the raw number is the number of seconds BOINC needs to put to the project to make it even with the resource shares, but I can't confirm that.
23:23 <zombie67> jesus, what a piece of voodoo crap BOINC has turned into
23:23 <PovAddict> processing a project task for a minute makes that project's debt decrease by a minute
23:23 <MTughan> But yeah, what Pov said. And negative debt means the project is overworked.
23:23 <PovAddict> due to the adjustment to make all debts add to 0, that makes the other projects' debts increase
23:23 <PovAddict> so negative-debt projects will slowly go back up
23:24 <MTughan> Good, at least it's not the Synecdoche fellows who think BOINC has gone the wrong way?
23:24 <MTughan> s/?/./
23:25 <PovAddict> I still think something the scheduler is missing is a way to see what the hell it's thinking
23:26 <MTughan> Let me rewrite that sentence again, and I'll reread it twice over...
23:26 <MTughan> Good, at least it's not just the Synecdoche fellows who think BOINC has gone the wrong way and should be rewritten sensibly.
23:26 <PovAddict> and the best visualization for that might be a gantt chart of how it plans to run future tasks
23:28 <zombie67> oh, back to the first Q, there are TWO GPU apps listed
23:28 <zombie67> which should I use and why?
23:32 <MTughan> zombie67: There are actually three versions there, but use 0.19d.
23:33 <zombie67> okay, I but if you count them that way, there are 4, not three
23:34 <PovAddict> ^ link on-topic
23:34 <MTughan> Oh yeah, I missed 0.17...
23:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: Read it.
23:35 <MTughan> zombie67: Yep, but I think those are only kept there for people who are looking for older versions for some reason. 0.19d is what I'm running now, seems to be solid.
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23:35 <MTughan> All the other versions will use about a CPU core spanned over all your tasks, and so you can only run 3 CPU tasks and however many GPU tasks.
23:35 <zombie67> okay, thanks
23:35 <MTughan> Means you don't have to play with cc_config, but I'd much prefer to use that 4th core for something else.
23:42 <MTughan> PovAddict: Most of the figures may be up to date, but I would think many computers use more power than 150W now.
23:43 <PovAddict> thanks to GPUs...
23:43 <MTughan> Heck some of the early AMD Phenom processors had a TDP of 140W.
23:43 <PovAddict> o.o
23:44 <PovAddict> I know DA is very interested in stopping people from thinking that about DC
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23:46 <MTughan> Hmm... Just Googling for the 140W processor, seems that it was rumored/announced, but I don't know that it was ever released.
23:47 <PovAddict> any news about the Intel 80-core CPU?
23:47 <MTughan> Some Phenom processors do have a 125W TDP though.
23:47 <MTughan> Not that I've heard recently.
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23:49 <MTughan> Hmm, even the recent Phenom II X4 940 has a TDP of 125W.
23:50 <MTughan> Yeah, looks like they never actually released a 140W TDP processor, although I think they sent out engineering samples of it for reviews.
23:50 <PovAddict> "Intel announces plans for an 80-core processor that would exceed 1 TFLOP, planned to be available in 2011."
23:50 <PovAddict> aww
23:50 <PovAddict> I wanted 2010
23:50 <MTughan> 2011? I thought it was just a research project?
23:50 <MTughan> lol
23:50 <Romulus> Title: Intel pledges 80 cores in five years - CNET News (at news.cnet.com)
23:51 <PovAddict> (article from 2006)
23:51 <MTughan> Yeah, 2.5 years old at this point...
23:51 <PovAddict> countdown!
23:53 <MTughan> "The company has no plans to bring this "teraflop research chip" to market, but is using it to test new technologies such as high-bandwidth interconnects, energy management techniques, and a tile design method to build multicore chips"
23:54 <PovAddict> but also "The company hopes to have these chips ready for commercial production within a five-year window."
23:54 <MTughan> Yeah, so I'm not sure which is the real story here.