IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-03-09

00:01 <PovAddict> their prototype doesn't yet support x86 instruction set

00:01 <MTughan> ARM?

00:02 <PovAddict> a relatively simple instruction set they used for testing I guess

00:02 <PovAddict> "Instead, the chip uses a VLIW (very long instruction word) architecture, a simpler approach to computing than the x86 instruction set."

00:02 <zombie67> MT:  What do the 3800 cards produce in the way of RAC?  There are is an AGP version, I hear

00:02 <MTughan> http://www.xkcd.com/553/ xD

00:02 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Pirate Bay (at www.xkcd.com)

00:03 <MTughan> zombie67: Yes, there are AGP versions of the 38xx cards, but I don't have any info on them. You'd be best to either search in the MW forums, or post a question.

00:03 <zombie67> okay

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00:03 <zombie67> I hate their forum.  Way too high volume to be useful

00:03 <MTughan> If you post a question, I can watch it.

00:07 <PovAddict> "You're comparing apples to orange hammers."

00:08 <PovAddict> great quote :P

00:17 <infinisoft> VLIW is basically what Itanium does

00:20 <PovAddict> Itanium looks like an interesting platform

00:20 <PovAddict> does BOINC run on it?

00:21 <MTughan> IIRC, Itanium 32 == x86

00:21 <PovAddict> iirc Itanium has a LOT of registers

00:23 <PovAddict> I think there is no such thing as itanium 32... and ia64 is completely different from x86 or x86-64

00:23 <PovAddict> but I May Be Wrong

00:24 <MTughan> Don't remember where I read that, but I'll see if I can find it.

00:24 <MTughan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IA-32 First two paragraphs.

00:24 <Romulus> Title: IA-32 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

00:25 <MTughan> So while it looks like that architecture was never released in an Itanium processor proper, it did exist.

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00:43 <PovAddict> MTughan: did you ever write anything with the iPhone SDK?

00:44 <MTughan> Besides possibly compiling an example app? No.

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04:22 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 46.2F / 7.9C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy early this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. North winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph...becoming east this afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then (1 more message)

04:22 <CoderForLife> &more

04:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the upper 40s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

04:38 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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05:25 <CoderForLife> well - time to get ready for work here - laterz

05:46 <xcamel> &ping

05:46 <Romulus> pong

06:39 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:00 <hawmps> 'lo BB

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08:38 <jackygrahamez> hi

08:39 <jackygrahamez> umm, I'm having trouble getting the stats exported

08:40 <jackygrahamez> actually maybe its not me

08:40 <jackygrahamez> looks like Zain Upton's got a more accurate account of my stats

08:40 <jackygrahamez> Maybe its all Willey

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09:29 <jackygrahamez> arrg

09:30 <jackygrahamez> I tried logical naming the graphics_app but I don't seem to understand

09:30 <jackygrahamez> First I tried this with Docking@Home, I replaced the referenced graphics app with the example_app_graphics.exe and that worked

09:32 <jackygrahamez> instead of running the normal docking screensaver, it displayed the example graphic app, however it also included some Docking@Home graphics

09:34 <jackygrahamez> Then I tried the same scheme with a hydrogen WU. I copied the logical name reference to the slot of hydrogen and renamed the path. I copied the app over to hydrogen project directory and it did not display the example graphic

09:34 <jackygrahamez> Just checking, nothing to do with the wrapper, right?

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10:01 <zu22> what is this about?

10:01 <zu22> &whatis linux

10:01 <Romulus> zu22: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.2.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

10:02 <zu22> &boinc

10:02 <Romulus> zu22: BOINC news March 5, 2009 <http://boinc.berkeley.edu/all_news.php#313> ~~ BOINC news March 3, 2009 <http://boinc.berkeley.edu/all_news.php#312> ~~ BOINC news March 1, 2009 <http://boinc.berkeley.edu/all_news.php#311> ~~ BOINC news February 27, 2009 <http://boinc.berkeley.edu/all_news.php#310> ~~ BOINC news February 17, 2009 <http://boinc.berkeley.edu/all_news.php#309> ~~ BOINC news (1 more message)

10:02 <zu22> lol

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10:02 <PovAdct_w> ...

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12:37 <MTughan> Wow... Apparently someone got a duplicate CPID from BOINC.

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13:43 <hawmps> &wx 12020

13:43 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 35.0F / 1.7C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.76in / 1007.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Snow. Snow accumulation around an inch. Much colder. Near steady temperature in the lower 30s. North winds around 10 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. North winds 5 (2 more messages)

13:43 <hawmps> &more

13:43 <Romulus> hawmps: to 10 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable.; Tuesday - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of rain in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Flood Warning, Areal Flood Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 10:45 PM EDT on March 10, 2009; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in effect until (1 more message)

13:43 <hawmps> &more

13:43 <Romulus> hawmps: 6:00 PM EDT on March 09, 2009;

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13:46 <BadBarbarian_> &wx 86303

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13:46 <BadBarbarian_> &more

13:46 <Romulus> BadBarbarian_: around 50 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Windy. Mostly cloudy in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of rain. Snow level 7000 feet. Lows 29 to 37. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around 35 mph decreasing to around 15 mph early in the morning.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy in the morning then clearing. Highs 52 to 58. Light winds.;

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14:08 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather germany, berlin

14:08 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 40°F / 5°C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 11mph / 18km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:42 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Rain. High:42 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.; Chance of Rain. High:50 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.;

14:08 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> hi MTughan

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14:12 <Soul_keeper> tell the boinc devs to fix this in their svn   http://lwn.net/Articles/317635/

14:12 <Romulus> Title: boinc-client: incorrect use of OpenSSL API [LWN.net] (at lwn.net)

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14:13 <MTughan> lol, that doesn't surprise me.

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14:24 <MTughan> I'm off to class...

14:32 <FreeLarry> dang -- PovAddict you around?

14:33 <FreeLarry> something going on with boinc on the quad and i cant seem to get any directory to show

14:34 <FreeLarry> they show using ls but don't when i try to cd to them - get no such file or directory

14:37 <FreeLarry> humm at least able to restart boinc from local terminal

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14:41 <FreeLarry> what isn't cd/ for change directory command in bash?

14:41 <MTughan_> cd is, cd/ isn't.

14:41 <MTughan_> "cd /" will change to the root.

14:42 <MTughan_> "cd" alone will change to $HOME.

14:42 <FreeLarry> humm was trying to use sh on machine maybe thats what i do wrong

14:43 * FreeLarry feels like homer simpson

14:43 <FreeLarry> one wrong keystroke

14:43 <MTughan_> Heh.

14:44 <MTughan_> That's computers for you.

14:45 <MTughan_> In a program. "value = property; value = property;" "Why did you do that?" "I wanted to make sure the computer knew what value was supposed to be set to."

14:45 <FreeLarry> lol yeah raninto that a couple of times when looking thru db programs in navy

14:46 <FreeLarry> well time for snack - thanks for help MTughan

14:47 <MTughan_> np

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15:19 <SkaveRat> hi. someonw here, who can help me with setting up an boinc project?

15:19 <MTughan_> With setting up a project, the best person to ask is someone who's managed a project before. Let me see who's here...

15:20 <MTughan_> PovAddict is the only one who could really help you right now.

15:20 <MTughan_> There's occasionally some other project admins in here, but doesn't seem like anyone else is here right now.

15:20 <jackygrahamez> I could help

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15:20 <MTughan_> Oh yeah, Mothership@Home... *duh*

15:21 <jackygrahamez> And Hydrogen@Home

15:21 <jackygrahamez> And DrugDiscovery@Home still in early development...

15:21 <MTughan_> lol, busy guy.

15:21 <jackygrahamez> tell me about it

15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> what are the problems, SkaveRat

15:22 <SkaveRat> ok. well, I want to test a  test-project in my LAN first. what's the best way to do this? The normal Project-Home path is the server-name. but that's not a valid url path for the manager

15:22 <MTughan_> Wow, I'm really not thinking today... Of course, yoyo@home...

15:23 <yoyo[RKN]> in make projekt you can spezify the url where your server is available

15:24 <jackygrahamez> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/MakeProject

15:24 <Romulus> Title: MakeProject - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

15:25 <jackygrahamez> are you able to navigate to that server using a browser through your LAN???

15:26 <SkaveRat> well, atm not ;)

15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> than it will be complicated for your boincmanager ;)

15:28 <jackygrahamez> under /etc/hosts what do you have?

15:28 <PovAddict> FreeLarry: you didn't reboot the quad, did you?

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15:29 <Soul_keeper> is there a version of boinc that can create non-broken libraries ?

15:29 <MTughan_> Soul_keeper: The OpenSSL error has already been fixed in the latest trunk.

15:29 <Soul_keeper> which trunk is that ?

15:30 <MTughan_> I'm going off SVN trunk.

15:30 <Soul_keeper> libboinc.so.6.7.4   is the latest and it's still broken

15:30 <MTughan_> With OpenSSL?

15:31 <Soul_keeper> all the openssl references are undefined

15:31 <MTughan_> I updated my SVN checkout today to check. Let me see when the fix was checked in.

15:31 <Soul_keeper> i've tryed atleast 5 different version with the same issue

15:32 <MTughan_> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/16883

15:32 <Romulus> Title: Changeset 16883 - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

15:32 <MTughan_> Checked in just under two months ago.

15:33 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's a different bug

15:33 <MTughan_> That's the OpenSSL bug you linked to before. Which one are you talking about now?

15:34 <Soul_keeper> libboinc.so: undefined reference to `BIO_ctrl'

15:34 <Soul_keeper> libboinc.so: undefined reference to `X509_LOOKUP_ctrl'

15:34 <Soul_keeper> about 20 of those

15:34 <Soul_keeper> ever openssl function is undefined

15:35 <MTughan_> When creating libboinc.so or when using it? Also, what version of OpenSSL do you have?

15:35 <Soul_keeper> when trying to use it after it's created

15:35 <Soul_keeper> i tryed upgrading to the latest openssl  didn't fix it either

15:35 <MTughan_> 0.9.8j?

15:35 <Soul_keeper> yeah

15:36 <MTughan_> Okay, next question: is OpenSSL being linked in?

15:36 <Soul_keeper> unless their code is broken it should

15:36 <MTughan_> Do you have access to the gcc lines?

15:37 <Soul_keeper> for compiling libboinc.so ?

15:37 <MTughan_> No, for where it's being used.

15:38 <Soul_keeper> ld --verbose -lboinc

15:39 <Soul_keeper> the library iself is not being compiled properly

15:39 <Soul_keeper> somewhere in the boinc lib sources there is an issue

15:39 <MTughan_> Just using -lboinc will not link OpenSSL in automatically I think.

15:40 <Soul_keeper> http://linuxsociety.pastebin.com/mc611956

15:40 <Romulus> Title: linuxsociety private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at linuxsociety.pastebin.com)

15:41 <MTughan_> Try "-lboinc -lcrypto -lssl"

15:42 <Soul_keeper> i think i see the problem

15:42 <Soul_keeper> i got an old ssl library laying around

15:44 <MTughan_> It was linking against the older version?

15:50 <Soul_keeper> i dunno, i'll get back to you in an hour or three

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15:50 <xcamel> re-hi

15:56 <MTughan_> 'lo Jay

15:56 <MTughan_> Class finished, just sticking around to clean up some stuff here...

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15:57 <MTughan_> Can anyone load BOINCStats? I seem to be waiting forever for a response from the server.

15:58 <MTughan_> Ah, finally loaded...

15:58 <MTughan_> w00t, ~88K yesterday!

15:58 <PovAddict> I was looking at it a minute ago

15:58 <PovAddict> http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/take_lhc_fermi_scores_again_discovering_rare_single_top_quark?rss

15:58 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ac8acu> (at www.scientificblogging.com)

15:58 <PovAddict> "I'm glad they included the image... Otherwise it might have been hard to understand what they're talking about..."

16:01 <wdsmia_w> lol@mtughan's 88K

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16:05 <xcamel> that is some fairly bleeding edge physics..

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16:06 <MTughan__> Cool, broke 1M for the past month...

16:07 <MTughan__> Soul_keeper: I should hit 2M within about a day and a half.

16:07 <MTughan__> Fwerp's starting to speed up too.

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16:07 <Soul_keeper> good

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16:08 <MTughan_> Gotta go... I should've just left when the wireless dropped, but I'll go now. Back in about 5-7 minutes.

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16:08 <xcamel> still working on 13M total

16:12 <wdsmia_w> working on 24M

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16:32 <SkaveRat> hmm, somehow I don't get how to configure/add applications to an project. the wiki isn't very helpfull

16:33 <PovAddict> and I'm busy messing around with 30 GBs of compressed XML...

16:33 <xcamel> add apps, or add projects?

16:34 <MTughan> Apps. He's trying to set up a server.

16:34 <xcamel> ah.. over my head.

16:34 <SkaveRat> I've created a project, seems to work fine, exept, I can't test it on my windows machine, because the test-app doesn't include windows as platform

16:35 <PovAddict> SkaveRat: did you use --test-app?

16:35 <SkaveRat> yea

16:35 <PovAddict> that's part of the problem then

16:35 <PovAddict> you now have a fully functional server and no knowledge on how to use it; it has an app already but nobody told you how to add another

16:36 <SkaveRat> well, I'm setting up a project from scratch now. But I really don't know what exactly to change to add an app

16:36 <SkaveRat> that's basicly it, yes

16:36 * PovAddict is sick of complaining about --test-app being counter-productive

16:36 <SkaveRat> and the wiki isn't very usefull for that

16:36 <PovAddict> the new documentation is for marketing purposes

16:37 <PovAddict> "type this and that and you just built a distributed computing server! isn't it awesome?"

16:37 <SkaveRat> would be nice, if it was that easy ;P

16:37 <PovAddict> exactly, that's what they say

16:37 <PovAddict> and it's true, you have a working server, but so what?

16:38 <PovAddict> if they explained how to get it to the basic working state step-by-step, instead of having a script that does it for you, you'd *learn*, and you'd know how to add another app because you would have already done it by hand for the test app

16:38 <SkaveRat> yea

16:39 <SkaveRat> well, ok. who doesn't want a cool grid-computer which can compute uppercase strings for you? ;)

16:40 <xcamel> reply-of-the-day award right there.

16:41 <PovAddict> you know, the conversion to uppercase takes milliseconds :)

16:41 <xcamel> now all you need is a pair of Tesla 1070's to crunch it.

16:41 <PovAddict> the test app has useless computations to make it use a meaningful amount of time

16:41 <PovAddict> xcamel: true, someone should write a GPU version of uppercase :D

16:41 <MTughan> rofl

16:42 <xcamel> that would be microsecond times

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16:42 <SkaveRat> man, I bet it would take some PS3s to compute "hello world" to uppercase in reasonable time

16:42 <PovAddict> uh huh

16:48 <SkaveRat> so, anyone got a nice tutorial/howto/explenation how to get a project running, that will not compute uppercases? ;)

16:49 <xcamel> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=boinc+server+project+howto&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

16:49 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/csdg76> (at www.google.com)

16:50 <xcamel> lots of resources..

16:51 <PovAddict> SkaveRat: #boinc_dev

16:54 <MTughan> rofl... http://www.explosm.net/comics/1587/

16:54 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)

16:54 <MTughan> Late comic for them today, but totally worth it!

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16:55 <xcamel> ...groan....

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16:56 <PovAddict> very punny

16:56 <MTughan> :P

16:57 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Response from Cluster Physik on MW.

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17:04 <Soul_keeper> what are you talking about ?

17:04 <MTughan> You wanted the GPU code for the MW app?

17:05 <MTughan> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_thread.php?id=576&nowrap=true#14533

17:05 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dx5lya> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

17:08 <MTughan> The readme states that he's modifying a version of the code that was not under GPL, but he has shared most of his modifications with project staff and plans to release the source for the app "when it is ready."

17:08 <Soul_keeper> so basically they are in vialation of the GPL then

17:08 <Soul_keeper> violation

17:08 <Soul_keeper> i should report them to the fsf

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17:09 <MTughan> No, because while the code is under GPL now, he's using a version under the original license.

17:09 <Soul_keeper> sounds fishy to me

17:09 <MTughan> Then X would sound fishy too.

17:10 <MTughan> Although opposite way around. XFree86 was open source, then changed to a commercial license. Developers took an open-source licensed version, and created X.org.

17:10 <Soul_keeper> no

17:11 <MTughan> Hold on, I'll pastebin the relevant part of the readme...

17:11 <PovAddict> if he releases a binary of a GPL program, he must provide the code

17:11 <Soul_keeper> xfree changed license to lgpl, then this caused the community to get upset and start their own gpl branch

17:11 <MTughan> http://pastebin.com/d190606ca

17:11 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

17:11 <PovAddict> unless he's the copyright holder or has explicit permission from the copyright holder, in which case he can release a version under a different license

17:12 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yes, but what if he releases a binary of a non-GPL program, but the program was relicensed under GPL between his branch grab and the release?

17:12 <PovAddict> then he's not modifying GPL code

17:13 <Soul_keeper> amd's headers aren't gpl

17:13 <Soul_keeper> so if he's shipping with those he can't license his code as gpl

17:13 <Soul_keeper> he'd be in violation

17:13 <MTughan> So he's not in violation with GPL.

17:13 <PovAddict> BS

17:13 <PovAddict> a GPL program can use a more liberally-licensed library

17:13 <Soul_keeper> i have no respect for this guy

17:14 <PovAddict> libpng is not GPL (the license is BSD-like), and loads of GPL programs use libpng

17:14 <PovAddict> from what I see, AMD's license for Brook is also BSD-like

17:14 <Soul_keeper> yes lgpl

17:14 <Soul_keeper> reading the gpl v3 license you'll understand

17:15 <Soul_keeper> read*

17:15 <PovAddict> no, it's not LGPL

17:15 <PovAddict> there is no GNU license involved in this, now that I see MTughan's link

17:15 <Soul_keeper> lies

17:15 <MTughan> I think MW version v0.11 was the first version under GPL. All versions before were under another license, although I don't know which one at this point.

17:16 <Soul_keeper> yeah the project is a mess

17:16 <PovAddict> Brook is BSD-licensed, and the specific version of the MW app this guy modified wasn't GPL yet

17:16 <Soul_keeper> and my hands are tied from helping them, because of their anti open mentality

17:16 <PovAddict> but, like MTughan, I'm not sure what that license was

17:17 <PovAddict> as for MW being a mess, won't argue with that ;)

17:17 <MTughan> I might have an older copy of the source... Give me a few minutes.

17:17 <Soul_keeper> porting his windows version to support linux wouldn't be hard, the system calls are all the same, but i can't get his code

17:18 <MTughan> I do have versions 0.2-0.7. Let me see if I can find what they're licensed under.

17:19 <PovAddict> ask ohcount ;)

17:19 <MTughan> Ah, true. Considering I just compiled a version a couple days ago. :P

17:20 <MTughan> No license information. Pulled open a file, I didn't see any license.

17:20 <MTughan> Means the copyright is either with the authors, or it's in the public domain.

17:22 <PovAddict> the "default" terms to use for code you find without any license is... a legal trouble... varies between countries (and maybe between states)

17:22 <MTughan> I'm uploading an original tar of the source now.

17:22 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/milkyway_release_0.7.tar

17:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dy75ny> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

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17:23 <MTughan> Running ohcount on all of the releases I have still doesn't show anything.

17:24 <PovAddict> argh

17:24 <PovAddict> curl doesn't follow redirects by default

17:24 <MTughan> Sorry...

17:24 <MTughan> http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/michaelsprogramming/milkyway_release_0.7.tar

17:24 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/av7bwn> (at home.interlog.com)

17:25 <PovAddict> is it compressed? (I thought not because it had no .gz)

17:25 <MTughan> I don't think so.

17:25 <PovAddict> there we go

17:25 <PovAddict> curl -L http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/michaelsprogramming/milkyway_release_0.7.tar | tar xzv

17:25 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/av7bwn> (at home.interlog.com)

17:25 <MTughan> Heh, nice.

17:26 <PovAddict> "All rights reserved"? hmph

17:26 <PovAddict> releasing any code without a license = bad

17:27 <PovAddict> anyway

17:27 <PovAddict> having no license doesn't mean this guy can do what he wants with it

17:27 <PovAddict> the copyright holder said "all rights reserved"

17:27 <MTughan> lol... The "All rights reserved" is put in by default by Xcode. It's a default template.

17:27 <PovAddict> not "do what the f* you want to"

17:28 <Soul_keeper> sounds like a project just masquerading as gpl

17:28 <PovAddict> it *is* GPL... it's just someone grabbed an *old* version that didn't have any license yet, and decided to modify it and then not release source

17:29 <MTughan> The original copyright was automatically assumed to Travis Desell for some files, but not many.

17:29 <MTughan> It was created under an Xcode project originally code "Astronomy", although I guess that doesn't mean much.

17:30 <MTughan> s/code/called/

17:30 <Soul_keeper> then to port it to linux one would have to start from scratch with their latest official gpl version

17:30 <Soul_keeper> for stream that is

17:31 <MTughan> The thing is, even if the GPU app were to be released, he doesn't have to relicense it under GPL.

17:32 <MTughan> I'm sure the devs would agree, still being partial copyright holders on the code, but Cluster Physik doesn't have to do it.

17:32 <Soul_keeper> yeah he can take his code and put it where the sun don't shine

17:35 <MTughan> What I'm wondering is if this code isn't properly licensed, what license does he have it under now?

17:36 <PovAddict> he was never allowed to modify it in the first place

17:36 <MTughan> If this was the code he modified?

17:36 <MTughan> The problem is, I don't have 0.8, 0.9, or 0.10 releases.

17:37 <Soul_keeper> it's a mystery

17:37 <Soul_keeper> the mystery license :)

17:38 <MTughan> I downloaded 0.7 on December 3, 2008, and 0.11 was released on January 19, 2009.

17:38 <MTughan> That leaves 47 days for which we don't have any info, if my calculations are right.

17:39 <Soul_keeper> do you have a libboinc.so  on your system ?

17:40 <MTughan> Me? Self-compiled, yes.

17:40 <Soul_keeper> ld --verbose -lboinc

17:40 <Soul_keeper> does that give you any undefined references ?

17:41 <MTughan> --verbose is unknown, looking for a similar option...

17:43 <Soul_keeper> just run without verbose

17:43 <MTughan> "could not find entry point 'start'"

17:43 <MTughan> That's what I just tried doing.

17:43 <Soul_keeper> that's expected

17:43 <Soul_keeper> no other output tho ?

17:43 <MTughan> No.

17:43 <Soul_keeper> is this an svn compile ?

17:44 <MTughan> $ ld -L/Users/mtughan/boinc/boinc-install_b6.7.0/lib -arch i386 -lboinc

17:44 <MTughan> ld: could not find entry point "start" (perhaps missing crt1.o)

17:44 <MTughan> That's it.

17:45 <Soul_keeper> i'll try 6.7.0

17:45 <MTughan> 6.7.0 is just the version number I got from configure, I don't know if it's the right one.

17:46 <MTughan> There could also be differences in OpenSSL between your Linux and my Mac.

17:46 <Soul_keeper> could be

17:47 <MTughan> Huh, nice... Has 0.9.8j installed in the path.

17:47 <Soul_keeper> all my stuff is in my path tho, so it shouldn't be an issue

17:47 <MTughan> Ah, hold on...

17:47 <Soul_keeper> the libraries are all i need to compile

17:47 <MTughan> Leopard came with/has installed 0.9.8l.

17:47 <MTughan> 0.9.7l*

17:48 <Soul_keeper> hmmm didn't know there was an l

17:48 <MTughan> Sorry, misread the version number. It's an l, but it's the previous minor release.

17:49 <MTughan> Release date is 28 Sep 2006.

17:49 <Soul_keeper> ahh

17:49 <MTughan> 0.9.8j came from a "package manager" which compiles stuff from source.

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17:50 <MTughan> Hmm, I should make sure all my stuff is linking against the right OpenSSl version...

17:52 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:52 <xcamel> yummy cake

17:53 <wdsmia> yummy sugarcane and coke

17:53 <MTughan> Nope, all my compiles are fine. :)

17:53 <xcamel> chocolate-cake-of-death

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17:54 <wdsmia> 100 proof sugarcane

17:56 <MTughan> PovAddict: If he were to use the GPL'd version, and move his changes from his version over to that, would that be valid then? Provided he made the source available, of course.

17:57 <PovAddict> he would then be under the rules of the GPL

17:58 <MTughan> Even with the modifications he ported from the code he wasn't allowed to modify?

17:58 <PovAddict> well, depends

17:58 <PovAddict> apparently he rewrote big chunks

17:58 <PovAddict> I'd think *he* is the copyright holder of those big chunks

17:58 <PovAddict> IANAL

17:59 <MTughan> I would believe so too.

17:59 <MTughan> Even if it were based off of the code that was existing.

17:59 <PovAddict> also, he might be OK if the copyright holder gave him explicit permission

17:59 <PovAddict> I just think, legally, it's not totally clear who the copyright holder is, since many files lack any copyright

18:00 <MTughan> Yeah...

18:00 <MTughan> Going off of the few files that do, I'd say most of it applies to Travis Desell, but there's no way that would hold up in a legal sense.

18:02 <xcamel> lol...

18:02 <xcamel> They discovered the ‘obamatron’ - a wealth sucking form of dark energy.

18:02 <xcamel> Like anti-mater, it annihilates hope, and doesn't even leave you change.

18:04 <CoderForLife> home again

18:04 <wdsmia> only gives you dvd's

18:04 <xcamel> 'lo

18:04 <CoderForLife> once, just once, I'd like people to use their brains at w@#%

18:04 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:04 <xcamel> that aren't region 2

18:04 <CoderForLife> hey Jay

18:04 <CoderForLife> Hey Doug

18:05 <CoderForLife> bbiab  dinner

18:05 <xcamel> that was fast..

18:05 <CoderForLife> fast?

18:05 <wdsmia> then theres the overcharge button

18:06 <CoderForLife> my unscheduled 3:00 meeting went until 5:15

18:06 <CoderForLife> bbaib

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18:06 <xcamel> "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" << must be a democrat

18:06 <PovAddict> awesome -_-

18:14 <Soul_keeper> got it MTughan their Makefile in the libs dir of the boinc svn is broken, it don't link to ssl

18:15 * wdsmia wonders what Obama will give the Queen... Bears t-shirt and a 6-pack?

18:16 <xcamel> just the 6-er, minus one

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18:23 <CoderForLife> back

18:25 <xcamel> scroll back to just before you came back the first time...

18:25 * CoderForLife looks

18:25 <CoderForLife> the Obamatron? heh

18:26 <CoderForLife> we are sooooo screwed

18:26 <CoderForLife> Obama and his clones

18:29 <wdsmia> http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/urkel.jpg

18:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7gm36c> (at michellemalkin.cachefly.net)

18:29 * CoderForLife looks out the window and worries about the future

18:33 <Soul_keeper> lol

18:36 <Soul_keeper> you should be worried :/

18:37 <CoderForLife> yes, unfortunately so

18:37 <ELGono> lo dudes, back from berlin

18:37 <MTughan> And Obama wasn't the only factor in the recession.

18:37 <CoderForLife> hello ELGono

18:38 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, yes i also blame the flying spagetti man :)

18:38 <MTughan> Remember, it started either in the beginning of 2008 or in 2007, long before Obama.

18:38 <CoderForLife> and he's certainly not helping

18:38 <MTughan> He's been in office for what, 6 weeks?

18:38 <CoderForLife> and look at the havoc he's wrought so far

18:39 <CoderForLife> but the seeds were sown long before

18:39 <CoderForLife> by Clinton and the Democratic "leadership" in Congress

18:40 <CoderForLife> and the converting of subprime mortgages into securities

18:40 <MTughan> Clinton was out by 2000. Bush was in office for 8 years.

18:40 <CoderForLife> op cit the Gaussian Copula

18:40 <xcamel> Clinton was in office for 8 years. you just weren't born yet.

18:41 <CoderForLife> Bush is not blameless

18:41 <CoderForLife> but he didn't sow the seeds

18:41 <xcamel> but not the antichrist either.

18:41 <MTughan> Actually, I was. Clinton came to office in 1992. I was born in 1990. I wasn't in for the full term of George Bush Sr.

18:43 <CoderForLife> agreed xcamel

18:45 * CoderForLife looks out the window and worries about the future

18:48 <CoderForLife> on the "lighter" side   http://site.despair.com/kleptocracy/#

18:48 <Romulus> Title: Kleptocracy - Who Says Cheaters Don't Win? (at site.despair.com)

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18:55 <xcamel> cute..

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18:56 <XioNYC> &roulette

18:56 <Romulus> XioNYC: *click*

18:57 <zombie67> hmm, just added my 4870, and am getting errors when trying to run MW

18:57 <XioNYC> .o0( What?  No *double click*? )

18:57 <MTughan> XioNYC: It's supposed to be a pistol.

18:58 <MTughan> zombie67: What errors? You have a link to a WU?

18:58 <zombie67> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/results.php?hostid=23829

18:58 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bjefl2> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

18:58 <XioNYC> Revolver, actually.  You can't play Russian roulette unless you can spin the chamber.

18:58 <zombie67> <core_client_version>6.6.12</core_client_version>

18:58 <zombie67> <![CDATA[

18:58 <zombie67> <message>

18:58 <zombie67> There are no child processes to wait for. (0x80) - exit code 128 (0x80)

18:58 <zombie67> </message>

18:58 <zombie67> ]]>

18:59 <MTughan> Is BOINC installed under a service/protected install?

18:59 <zombie67> no

18:59 <zombie67> not that I know of

18:59 <zombie67> just the default

18:59 <MTughan> What version of Catalyst did you use?

19:00 <zombie67> 9.2

19:00 <zombie67> quitting boinc

19:00 <zombie67> clearing out MW folder

19:00 <MTughan> Ah, 9.2 needs some special attention...

19:00 <zombie67> re-copying all the files

19:00 <zombie67> oh?

19:00 <Romulus> It has been said that oh is he on, zombie67

19:00 <MTughan> Some files that were renamed in 9.2.

19:00 <wdsmia> 3 little dll's

19:00 <MTughan> C:\Windows\System32

19:01 <MTughan> atical*64.dll

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19:01 <MTughan> Copy them to amdcal*64.dll

19:01 <zombie67> how do I do that with windows?

19:02 <MTughan> Copy and paste. You'll just have to rename them manually.

19:02 <MTughan> It's only three files, and it's only a one-time thing.

19:03 <zombie67> says cannot, because they is already a file named that

19:03 <MTughan> There are already amdcal*64.dll files in there?

19:04 <zombie67> no, there is already a file named atical*64.dll

19:04 <zombie67> it does not give me the option of pasting as a new name

19:04 <MTughan> Ah, okay...

19:05 <zombie67> maybe past it to the desktop, rename, then paste back in?

19:05 <MTughan> You might just try pasting them to the desktop or a temporarly folder, renaming them, then copying them back.

19:05 <zombie67> heh

19:05 <MTughan> :)

19:05 <zombie67> so just change ati to amd?

19:05 <MTughan> Correct.

19:06 <zombie67> then restart BOINC?

19:07 <MTughan> I think it's been suggested to restart your computer. Probably do that to be on the safe side.

19:07 <zombie67> here we go

19:08 <zombie67> I am using the default, which is 2 tasks at a time, right?

19:08 <zombie67> how long should each task take?

19:08 <MTughan> Default is 2, yes.

19:08 <MTughan> Seems to take about 1 minute on the wall, and 1-3 seconds CPU time.

19:08 <zombie67> okay, the CPU time has not yet moved off of 00:00:00

19:09 <MTughan> Is the progress going up?

19:09 <zombie67> and only one is actually running

19:09 <zombie67> no

19:09 <zombie67> no progress

19:09 <MTughan> But its status is running?

19:10 <zombie67> VPU recover has reset your graphics card, as it was no longer responding to graphics driver commands

19:10 <zombie67> okay, now CPU time is climbing, but no prohress %

19:10 <zombie67> progress

19:11 <zombie67> did I need to reboot after copying those dlls?

19:11 <MTughan> You might want to try a different version of Catalyst then. People have reported that some computers won't work with the 9.2 drivers.

19:11 <MTughan> Try rebooting first, year.

19:11 <MTughan> yeah*

19:12 <zombie67> rebooting now

19:12 <zombie67> what version should I try, if rebooting doesn't work?

19:13 <MTughan> 8.12 seems to be working for everyone.

19:17 <zombie67> got the error message again

19:17 <zombie67> [16:10]  <zombie67> VPU recover has reset your graphics card, as it was no longer responding to graphics driver commands

19:17 <MTughan> Actually, one more thing to try...

19:17 <MTughan> Is Catalyst Control Center running?

19:17 <zombie67> yeah

19:17 <MTughan> Shut it down.

19:19 <MTughan> You might also have to kill CCC.exe in Task Manager.

19:21 <zombie67> that may have worked.

19:21 <MTughan> Is there progress?

19:21 <zombie67> yes, but it seems to have stpped

19:21 <zombie67> stopped

19:22 <zombie67> you say CPU time never goes over about 3 sec?

19:22 <zombie67> it's over 1 min now

19:22 <MTughan> For mine.

19:22 <MTughan> Is it going at one CPU second per realtime second?

19:22 <zombie67> aborting that task

19:22 <zombie67> yes it was

19:23 <MTughan> Yeah, with 0.19d, that never happens.

19:23 <MTughan> Is CCC.exe running?

19:23 <zombie67> and why is there only 1 running, not 2?

19:23 <zombie67> no, I killed ccc

19:24 <MTughan> Is GPU-Z running?

19:24 <zombie67> nope

19:24 <MTughan> WRT 1 WU running, did you set ncpus to 5?

19:24 <zombie67> I set it to 9.  This is a 8-way

19:25 <zombie67> the task is now up to 58%

19:25 <zombie67> no CPU time yet

19:25 <MTughan> And it's still climbing?

19:25 <zombie67> aargh!

19:25 <zombie67> ti was almost done, and I got the error pop-up again!

19:26 <MTughan> I seriously wish you could up the time it waits... >_>

19:26 <zombie67> okay, I am going to uninstall 9.2 and install 8.12

19:26 <MTughan> Yeah, uninstall the 9.2 drivers, attempt 8.12.

19:26 <MTughan> Same thing. :P

19:26 <MTughan> I'm going to go pick up some dinner before it closes. Back in 10-15.

19:27 <wdsmia> rofl sorry Zombie but was where you are a few weeks ago

19:28 <zombie67> what was the solution?

19:28 <Romulus> the solution is fabulous wealth and retirement, zombie67

19:29 <wdsmia> I found is a combo of the box your working on

19:29 <wdsmia> have 3 each setup slightly different

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19:30 <wdsmia> one running 9.1 and one will only work with 8.12

19:31 <wdsmia> err 2 with 9.1

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19:33 <jasong> Anybody available to help me with a silly little Linux problem?

19:34 <jasong> I have an external drive that won't let me change it's permissions

19:34 <jasong> Well, I'm sure it would, if I knew the command-line commands

19:34 <zombie67> chmod

19:34 <wdsmia> new all time high credit 378,195 beats 2005-02-20  372,229 when boinc stats started

19:35 <jasong> ahh, chmod, thanks

19:35 <jasong> congrats wdsmia

19:38 <ELGono> yo doug!

19:38 <wdsmia> *lo JR

19:40 <zombie67> Now the tasks are erroring out again, but this time with a new error

19:40 <zombie67> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/result.php?resultid=19756867

19:40 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bjqtk9> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

19:47 <wdsmia> Hmmm maybe thats why no one on the top cpu list is running a Xeon?

19:47 <CoderForLife> grr

19:48 <zombie67> every time I boot, I keep getting the "found new hardware" dialog box.  and it wants me to install the drivers.  I have ALREADY installed them from the d/l.  how do I make this behavior stop?

19:50 <MTughan> zombie67: What new hardware is it?

19:51 <xcamel> mikrozoft frakkinator 5000

19:52 <xcamel> GPU powered USB hub and memory stick reader.

19:52 <wdsmia> lol

19:54 <zombie67> doesn't say, but i assume its the graphics card

19:54 <zombie67> I have completely removed everything ATI, reinstalled it, and the same errored out tasks

19:55 <zombie67> this is looking like a complete waste of $400

19:55 <MTughan> Check in the Device Manager for what it thinks.

19:56 <zombie67> yeah, the graphics adptor

19:57 <zombie67> I am about to dropkick this damn card

19:57 <wdsmia> been there

19:57 <xcamel> ATI = adding to insults

19:57 <zombie67> oh, and also, quitting BOINC really doesn't

19:57 <MTughan> If it's the graphics adapter, sounds like the drivers didn't take. Which is odd indeed.

19:58 <zombie67> the tasks quit, but boinc and boincmgr still run

19:58 <zombie67> and prevents the machine from rebooting

19:58 <zombie67> so I have to walk out to the garage to force it to reboot

19:58 <zombie67> every damn time

19:59 <MTughan> You can't set it up inside next to you for troubleshooting?

19:59 <zombie67> not easily

19:59 <zombie67> I do everything over vnc

20:00 <MTughan> Well, another thing to try.

20:00 <zombie67> so why does windows think the driver for the graphics card is not installed?

20:00 <MTughan> With graphics drivers, I've seen many recommendations to uninstall the drivers, then use a more through cleaner on it, then install the new drivers.

20:01 <MTughan> You could always try that.

20:01 <MTughan> http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/ seems to be one such program.

20:01 <Romulus> Title: Guru3D - Driver Sweeper (at www.guru3d.com)

20:01 <zombie67> a more thorough cleaner?

20:01 <xcamel> there is a special file you forgot to look at...

20:01 <MTughan> It's recommended with both ATI's and Nvidia's drivers.

20:01 <wdsmia> do you still have the renamed dll's from 9.2?

20:01 <xcamel> one that ATI loves to modify, against M$ wishes...

20:02 <zombie67> yes

20:03 <zombie67> holy crap, you have to boot in safe mode??

20:04 <xcamel> you might..

20:05 <zombie67> this is turning into a nightmare, and just isn't worth it

20:06 <MTughan> The problem is drivers, not Windows or the hardware.

20:06 <zombie67> regardless, it isn't working

20:06 <MTughan> That, and GPGPU is in early stages, with teething pains, and BOINC doesn't have integrated support.

20:07 <zombie67> I am going back to 6.2.19 to see if that helps

20:07 <zombie67> should I delete those DLLs?

20:10 <wdsmia> delete the dll's reinstall 8.12

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20:11 <zombie67> how do I boot safe mode?

20:11 <zombie67> (god I hate windows)

20:12 <wdsmia> its just another OS

20:12 <zombie67> it sucks more than others

20:13 <wdsmia> lol

20:13 <zombie67> back to the garage

20:13 <XioNYC> F8 @ startup

20:13 <XioNYC> Or was it F5?

20:13 <XioNYC> Hmm... one of 'em is it.

20:13 <xcamel> alt-leftshift-slapyerself

20:13 <wdsmia> pound on all the F keys :P

20:14 <XioNYC> Hold down escape, meta, alt, control, shift, the number two, and type "ganisha is great" for twenty minutes...

20:16 <wdsmia> start boot pull power power back and you will find safe mode

20:16 <zombie67> oh great, not all my BURP and ORE tasks errored out!

20:18 <zombie67> do I need CCC at all?

20:19 <MTughan> Not that I know of.

20:19 <zombie67> okay, so I installing only the drive

20:19 <zombie67> er

20:20 <wdsmia> only is you want to set fan speed

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20:30 <zombie67> ding!  http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/result.php?resultid=19798931

20:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/akb7fj> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

20:31 <wdsmia> congrats

20:31 <zombie67> thanks for the help

20:31 <zombie67> not sure what the solution was

20:31 <KathrynM> i owe, i owe, it's off to w*@^ i go

20:32 <wdsmia> damn its going to take a lot longer now to catch you

20:32 <zombie67> hf

20:32 <zombie67> I went to 6.2.19, deleted the dlls by hand, removed/reinstalled 8.12 again

20:32 <zombie67> whatever, not to upgrade the second machine

20:32 <zombie67> now

20:33 <zombie67> MT?

20:33 <Romulus> hmm... MT is right, zombie67

20:34 <zombie67> if I have 8+1, and want to run the default 2 MW tasks at the same time, my MW rtesource share should be 2/10, or 20%, right?

20:36 <MTughan> Sorry, I was helping my roommate with math... Yes.

20:56 <CoderForLife> there - fixed it

21:00 <zombie67> hmmm, still using the default, but there are 4 MW tasks running at once

21:01 <wdsmia> you could do 16 but it gets really slow

21:01 <zombie67> but why is it running more than 2?

21:01 <wdsmia> its boinc

21:01 <wdsmia> be glad it even works

21:02 <xcamel> crank it up and run 6

21:02 <zombie67> i am surprised the MW site doesn't break under these short run times

21:02 <wdsmia> it has

21:02 <zombie67> I heard running more than 2 at a time doesn't actually result in mroe rac

21:02 <zombie67> more

21:03 <zombie67> running 4 will take twice as long

21:03 <wdsmia> on a dual core thats true

21:03 <zombie67> it is gated by the GPU, not the number of CPUs

21:03 <wdsmia> I run 5 and 5 on the I7

21:04 <zombie67> with other projects?

21:04 <wdsmia> 5 abc 5 mw

21:04 <zombie67> and that is faster than 5/2?

21:04 <zombie67> er, not faster, I mean, is that generating more credits/hr?

21:05 <wdsmia> on my set-up you will have to fiddle with yours for best output

21:05 <zombie67> that doesn't match what MT said

21:05 <wdsmia> well hell I must be wrong

21:05 <zombie67> I am not saying that

21:06 <zombie67> I am saying that you two have differing statements

21:06 <wdsmia> http://boincstats.com/stats/user_graph.php?pr=milkyway&id=1159

21:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dfpur4> (at boincstats.com)

21:07 <zombie67> how many cards is that?

21:07 <wdsmia> bbiab

21:07 <CoderForLife> gn folks - the warbird museum has been preserved for another day

21:07 <wdsmia> 2 4850's and 1 70

21:10 <wdsmia> oh ya running vista :P

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21:11 <factor> can boinc use the GPU of the nvidia proc?

21:11 <zombie67> yep

21:11 <factor> oh cool

21:11 <zombie67> there are several projects that do that

21:11 <factor> I have one. do I just have to upgrade or what?

21:12 <zombie67> you need to use at least 6.5 version of BOINC

21:12 <factor> ok

21:12 <factor> thanks

21:12 <factor> that is neat

21:12 <zombie67> the GPU has to be CUDA

21:12 <factor> I have a 1g 9800gt

21:12 <factor> yes it is cuda that is why I got it

21:13 <factor> ok I have 6.2

21:14 <factor> default version for debian testing

21:15 <factor> reading it on the boinc site now

21:15 <factor> that is nice

21:17 <MTughan> zombie67: No, you need 6.4.x or higher.

21:17 <factor> right

21:17 <factor> 6.4.5

21:17 <factor> newer than debian testing though

21:17 <MTughan> 6.4.5 being the latest for Mac and Linux IIRC, yeah.

21:18 <MTughan> Oh yeah, that's the other thing... No OS X support ATM.

21:19 <factor> just Linux here

21:20 <Soul_keeper> it's 6.5.0 or higher

21:20 <MTughan> You're clear then, provided you're using Nvidia's drivers. I don't believe any of the open source implementations have CUDA support ATM.

21:20 <Soul_keeper> and linux can do just as high as the other os's if you compile it yourself

21:20 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Isn't it 6.4.x?

21:20 <factor> I wish

21:20 <Soul_keeper> 6.5.0

21:20 <MTughan> Why 6.5?

21:20 <Soul_keeper> i use the bare minimum :)

21:20 <factor> they have the c code for it available

21:20 <zombie67> 6.5.4, I thought

21:21 <factor> just need a coder to make the hooks into the oss version of the driver

21:21 <zombie67> eh, whatever, 6.6.12 works pretty good for me

21:21 <zombie67> stay away from 6.6.14

21:21 <MTughan> CUDA support has been in since 6.4.x, although it might not've been the best implementation, it's not like 6.6.x is faring much better.

21:22 <MTughan> Wow, runon sentence galore...

21:22 <factor> heh

21:22 <Soul_keeper> all i know is i had to upgrade the week cuda support came out and i got 6.5.0  havn't upgraded since

21:22 <factor> have to upgrade my nvidia driver to it seems

21:23 <Soul_keeper> http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html

21:23 <Romulus> Title: Download CUDA Code - complete and free toolkit for creating derivative !@#&s (at www.nvidia.com)

21:23 <factor> but that is awesomethat they got it hooked into boinc

21:24 <factor> not to mention cuda itself is a great idea.

21:24 <MTughan> I only wish they'd integrate ATI support...

21:24 <Soul_keeper> i think nvidia has some projects in their pocket

21:25 <Soul_keeper> gpugrid basically stated they have no plans to support ati untill opencl hits the scene

21:25 <MTughan> And not because I'm an ATI fanboy. Because my ATI card is whooping the asses of the Nvidia cards on GPUGrid.

21:25 <zombie67> MT, did you see, I have 3-4 MW tasks running at once

21:25 <MTughan> zombie67: Nice.

21:25 <zombie67> but why?

21:25 <Romulus> I guess but why is it running more than 2, zombie67

21:25 <zombie67> the default setting is 2, right?

21:26 <MTughan> Check the avg_ncpus value in the app_info.xml. That's what controls it all.

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21:27 <zombie67> it says .5

21:27 <zombie67> max_ncpus = 1

21:27 <MTughan> And cc_config has ncpus=9?

21:28 <zombie67> yep

21:28 <MTughan> Then the problem should just be resource shares and debts.

21:28 <zombie67> so the number of MW tasks (.5) is just a "guideline" or something?

21:28 <MTughan> It's a delicate process. There have been plenty of times I've found my quad running 5 CPU tasks and no GPU tasks or 3 CPU tasks and 4 GPU tasks.

21:29 <zombie67> bizarre

21:29 <MTughan> It's usually fairly good, but it can fluctuate, because BOINC thinks it's just another CPU app.

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21:31 <zombie67> i am thinking that maybe my ncpus is not working.

21:31 <zombie67> how can I tell?

21:31 <factor> but its funny the card is as big as my old 8 bit CGA card was.

21:31 <MTughan> How many CPU tasks is it running?

21:32 <zombie67> hard to say, considering it will run many MW tasks at the same time

21:32 <zombie67> shouldn't it say in the messages tab at start up?

21:32 <MTughan> Let me check mine...

21:33 <zombie67> also, shouldn't this show 9 CPUs, not the stock 8?

21:33 <zombie67> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/show_host_detail.php?hostid=23829

21:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/akcb4p> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

21:34 <MTughan> No, it only prints out the true number of cores in the messages tab.

21:34 <MTughan> Same on the web stats too it seems.

21:34 <zombie67> okay, well, I will just assume it took.

21:34 <MTughan> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/show_host_detail.php?hostid=43333

21:34 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cob2xy> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

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21:35 <xcamel> looks like I'm going to hold off GPU rockin till april..

21:35 <factor> whoooos

21:36 <factor> turn off boinc see my dual core monitors drop

21:38 <factor> be nifty to have a superkaraba nvidia monitor as well.

21:38 <zombie67> CRAP.  The second installation is erroring out

21:38 <MTughan> Use 8.12 drivers?

21:39 <zombie67> yeah

21:39 <zombie67> first time.  never installed 9.*

21:39 <zombie67> using 6.2.19

21:39 <MTughan> What errors?

21:39 <zombie67> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/result.php?resultid=19835009

21:39 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d9yhmk> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

21:40 <zombie67> I could try reinstalling the driver, i guess

21:41 <factor> ok have to upgrade my nvidia driver , new boinc went fine.

21:41 <factor> brb

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21:42 <MTughan> WTF? zombie67: http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Unrecoverable_error_for_result_%27%28result%29%27_%28There_are_no_child_processes_to_wait_for._%280x80%29_-_exit_code_128_%280x80%29%29

21:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ajmhth> (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

21:42 <MTughan> Apparently, it means your DirectX version is out of date. Although how that makes sense, I don't know.

21:42 <zombie67> direct x?

21:43 <MTughan> Yeah, that puzzles me.

21:43 <zombie67> I am up to date on everything

21:43 <zombie67> that is from 2004

21:44 <MTughan> It's a Windows error apparently... Still digging.

21:45 <MTughan> zombie67: Can you just do a quick check to confirm DirectX? "dxdiag" in the Run dialog should tell you.

21:46 <zombie67> still rebooting

21:46 <MTughan> Okay, let me know when it comes back up.

21:47 <zombie67> okay, back up

21:47 <MTughan> Sorry, I meant let me know the DX version when it comes back up... :P

21:48 <zombie67> 9.0c

21:49 <MTughan> One other thing I just encountered, and it makes sense now... The MW app for GPU needs both .NET 2.0 and 3.5. Try installing them.

21:49 <zombie67> i am already 3.5

21:49 <zombie67> I think

21:49 <zombie67> how do I check?

21:50 <MTughan> Don't know off the top of my head... brb

21:50 <MTughan> Can you open an IE window?

21:51 <zombie67> yes, I have .NET 2.0 SP2, 3.0 SP2, and 3.5 SP1

21:51 <zombie67> yes

21:51 <MTughan> I was going to give you "javascript:alert(navigator.userAgent)", which gives IE's user agent string. It also contains the .NET versions, but seems you already found them.

21:52 <zombie67> yeah, I went to add/remove programs

21:52 <zombie67> they are all listed there

21:54 <xcamel> laterz..

21:54 <zombie67> cya

21:54 <Soul_keeper> http://linux.ues.edu.sv/servidor/maracosas/bruno2d/richard-stallman.jpg

21:54 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/334frt> (at linux.ues.edu.sv)

21:58 <zombie67> dang.  reinstalling the driver did nothing

21:58 <zombie67> still erroring out

21:58 <MTughan> Yeah, it's not an ATI driver error...

21:59 <zombie67> I could try reinstalling the app & app_info

21:59 <MTughan> Might as well. Best that can happen is it starts working.

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22:06 <zombie67> also running repair on BOINC, just in case

22:06 <factor> cool BOINC found my CUDA card

22:07 <factor> do you have to add the GPU to it

22:07 <factor> or does it use it automatically

22:08 <MTughan> If you have a project that supports CUDA apps, it should use it automatically AFAIK.

22:08 <factor> ahh web space link found my card

22:08 <factor> yup

22:08 <factor> it does

22:08 <factor> nice

22:09 <factor> heh

22:09 <factor> have not had a math co processor in my system in a long time.

22:11 <zombie67> nope, same errors

22:12 <zombie67> this is very frustrating.  the other machine is exactly the same

22:12 <MTughan> I don't know then. All I find on Google is either the DX version, the .NET version, or one thread suggested a failed download, but BOINC should catch that.

22:13 <MTughan> But it seems to be a Windows and BOINC specific error.

22:13 <zombie67> it looks like the only possible solution it to swap cards with my CUDA machine.

22:13 <zombie67> and HOPE the cuda machine doesn't have the same problem

22:15 <MTughan> I had it easy by comparison. My only problem was that I used a service install at first.

22:16 <zombie67> it will have to wait for tomorrow.  I'm beat.

22:17 <zombie67> read config file doesn't work with 6.2.19?

22:19 <MTughan> Actually, I seem to have noticed that too. Reload works.

22:19 <zombie67> reload?

22:20 <MTughan> Or rather, restart. Of the the core client.

22:20 <zombie67> how do you do that?

22:20 <MTughan> You close the manager which closes the core client, then restart it.

22:21 <zombie67> I have found that closing the manager does not always close the CC

22:21 <MTughan> Then either you have multiple managers open or a service install of BOINC.

22:21 <zombie67> nope

22:22 <MTughan> It's one of those. The CC's always closed for me when I close the last manager window.

22:22 <jasong> Well, there's a choice in my boinc that shuts down the core client

22:22 <zombie67> the only way I can be sure to shut it down is from Advanced -> shut down CC

22:23 <MTughan> The one that closes the CC does ask me if I want to close it down.

22:23 <jasong> aah, ok, that makes more sense

22:23 <factor> does BOINC have any program for helping with the exoplanet stuff?

22:24 <jasong> I think there's one in the works

22:24 <factor> good

22:24 <jasong> Try googling boinc wiki

22:24 <zombie67> does 6.2.19 understand that -1 should equal the natural number of threads?

22:24 <factor> that is the coolest part of new space sciences I think

22:24 <jasong> You may find some cool stuff there that you didn't know about, the wiki I mean

22:24 <factor> looked on boinc web site nothing about it.

22:25 <MTughan> You know, that's a good question. I don't know.

22:25 <jasong> Yeah, the website is kind of bare when it comes to the actual science of the projects

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22:35 <jasong> Hey, guys, quick question, and yes, I ask a lot of them.  We've all heard of dating sites where they match you up with a mate.  But what about technology and lifestyle sites?  Has anyone heard of a site that matches you up with awesome stuff, including technology, according to how much cash you have and your personal definition of "awesome stuff?"

22:36 <PovAddict> I haven't

22:36 * PovAddict steals the business idea

22:36 <jasong> lol, go for it POV, and I want to be a beta-tester

22:36 <factor> heh sounds neat

22:37 <jasong> Of course, I guess I should have googled the idea first.  It might already exist

22:37 <jasong> bbiab

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23:44 <Fwerp> hiya

23:45 <MTughan> 'lo Fwerp

23:45 * factor is afk kicks back and eats his chicken and watchs the vodcast from hubblesite while his CUDA is kicking in the background.

23:45 <Fwerp> most the d/c got picked up

23:45 <MTughan> zombie67: Yep, ATI isn't a perfect process. Just had a VPU recover myself.

23:45 <Fwerp> i think theres still 4 at the shop

23:45 <Fwerp> :(

23:46 <Fwerp> but my vid card machines r still rockin out

23:46 <Fwerp> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?sort=total_credit&rev=0&show_all=0&userid=9040939

23:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/crhduv> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

23:46 <MTughan> That's always good.

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