IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-03-11

00:03 <ball> I just cranked back the maximum load to 10%... now I can't find the place where I did that.

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00:04 <ball> This is a bit difficult to drive.

00:05 <MTughan> Are you using the GUI?

00:05 <Fwerp> wait

00:06 <zombie67> huh?

00:06 <Fwerp> MTughan i scrolled up and read earlier u said sli has no gain for boinc?

00:06 <MTughan> No, it slows it down.

00:06 <Fwerp> o crap

00:07 <Fwerp> crap crap crap

00:07 <MTughan> Because then BOINC will use only one of the two GPUs.

00:07 <Fwerp> mother f'er

00:07 <MTughan> You need screens hooked up to both GPUs to use both though.

00:07 <Fwerp> on the to-do list for tomo...

00:07 <Fwerp> theres 6 o the machine

00:07 <ball> MTughan: yes, it it optional?

00:07 <Fwerp> i just have it in sli

00:07 <Fwerp> working  on the 32" screen

00:08 <Fwerp> 3 9600gt's and ive been wasting two in sli

00:08 <Fwerp> bastard

00:08 <zombie67> watching Transformers again.  Megan Fox is *smokin'* hot

00:08 <MTughan> ball: The GUI is optional yeah, because BOINC has two parts. A core client program that sits below and a GUI to control it.

00:08 <Fwerp> Total credit 9,112

00:08 <Fwerp> Recent average credit 750.41

00:08 <ball> MTughan: that's good to know.

00:08 <MTughan> Anyway, Advanced->Preferences, "Use at most x% CPU time."

00:08 <Fwerp> Pending credit: 6,926.00

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00:09 <Romulus> <> (at

00:10 <ball> I see the box, but it appears to be read-only.

00:10 <MTughan> Try clicking it it, it may not be.

00:11 <MTughan> in it*

00:12 <ball> You're right! :-)

00:12 <ball> Thanks

00:12 <MTughan> np

00:12 <ball> I need a more powerful box for this though.

00:12 <ball> ...even if it's just SMP

00:13 <ball> eight core or something.

00:13 <MTughan> What do you have now?

00:13 <Fwerp> MTughan: whts ball doin?

00:14 <MTughan> Fwerp: He changed his processor usage stats to 10% somehow. :P

00:14 <Fwerp> lolol

00:14 <Fwerp> oopsy

00:14 <Fwerp> how many machines he runnin?

00:14 <MTughan> You'll have to ask him. I don't know.

00:14 <Fwerp> oo

00:15 <Fwerp> if boincstats is right im doin pretty good

00:15 <ball> Only machine I have boinc on is a 900 MHz PowerPC G3

00:15 <MTughan> There's occasionally people who come in here just looking for some quick help. ball is one of them.

00:15 <ball> ...that's a laptop :-)

00:15 <MTughan> Old iBook?

00:15 * ball nods

00:15 <MTughan> That's definitely an old laptop now. :P

00:15 <ball> A dual-core G4 would be nice :-)

00:16 <ball> MTughan: trust me, it's more powerful than the machine I've been working on all day.

00:16 <MTughan> I've got a shiny new aluminum MacBook with a Core 2 Duo.

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00:16 <ball> 300 MHz Celeron "Covington" = no secondary cache at all.

00:16 <ball> 192 Mbytes RAM

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00:16 <Fwerp> sdjv hwsv

00:16 <MTughan> Well, and a Core 2 Quad, but I'll leave that out... :P

00:17 <Fwerp> mmmmm c2q

00:17 <Fwerp> my 9800gtx machine has a c2q

00:17 <MTughan> OC'd?

00:17 <ball> Does L2 cache help BOINC much?

00:17 <zombie67> MT, you need me to test any MW stuff?

00:17 <Fwerp>

00:18 <Romulus> <> (at

00:18 <ball> (pondering Core 2 Vs. Pentium Dual Core Vs. Xeon)

00:18 <MTughan> ball: I don't think it matters too much, but it depends on the project too.

00:18 <Fwerp> no oc

00:18 <MTughan> zombie67: If you want.

00:18 <MTughan> Fwerp: Q6600 @ 3.26GHz.

00:18 <Fwerp> the cooling  needs changed bad, liquid kit i built for it doesnt cool it for shit i fuq'd up

00:18 <wdsmia> asks Fwerp to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

00:18 <ball> MTughan: but *some* would be helpful :-)

00:19 <Fwerp> q6600 @ 3.2 = unlocked no speed step and 1337 bus on a 750i board

00:19 <Fwerp> done it a hundred times

00:19 <zombie67> are your apps for PPC or Intel?

00:19 <MTughan> Well, yes. I don't think any OS can go without L2 cache. ;)

00:19 <MTughan> zombie67: Either. It's a Universal app! :D

00:19 <zombie67> sweet!

00:19 <Fwerp> the mre chsache the better, go's for hdd's too

00:19 <MTughan> Fwerp: Nope, it's a locked multipler, 9x. I've just pushed up the FSB high.

00:19 <Fwerp> cache*

00:20 <ball> zombie67: whose apps?

00:20 <MTughan> ball: I compiled some applications for a project.

00:20 <zombie67> MT's MW apps

00:20 <zombie67> MT:  you included app_info?

00:20 <Fwerp> MTughan: what did u col the 66 oc'd w/?

00:20 <ball> MTughan: NetBSD can run with no L2 cache... slowly

00:20 <Fwerp> my stock 6700 on w/c is running 60% at 63c

00:21 <MTughan> zombie67: Yep.

00:21 <MTughan> Fwerp: Zalman CNPS9500.

00:21 <MTughan> ball: lol

00:21 <Fwerp> nutts

00:21 <ball> I need a more powerful machine, but I lost my job so hardware's hard to come by.

00:22 <Fwerp> i just oredered three of them tonight btw MTughan!

00:22 <Fwerp> and the asus one

00:22 <Fwerp>

00:22 <Romulus> <> (at

00:22 <ball> My test rig died, so I had to drag this one in from the garage.

00:22 <ball> My test rig was an 800 MHz Pentium III

00:23 <Fwerp>

00:23 <ball> failed.

00:23 <Romulus> <> (at

00:23 <MTughan> Fwerp: Yes, but I have the LED fan. :D

00:23 <MTughan> Goes well with my Antec 900 case.

00:25 <zombie67> wait, before I test them, what am I testing them for?  working?  or speed improvement?

00:25 <zombie67> if the latter, I have nothing to compare it to.

00:26 <MTughan> Speed improvement. I've already tested them at least a bit.

00:26 <zombie67> okay, then I'll skip testing this time

00:26 <zombie67> I am sure there will be lots of folks on MW that will do the speed testing

00:28 <ball> Are boinc apps generally open source?

00:28 <MTughan> ball: How old was the P3?

00:28 <MTughan> Depends on the project, again. I think most of them are open source, but I don't participate in that many projects.

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00:28 <ball> MTughan: I'm not sure.  It was a Coppermine

00:29 <ball> I'd rather have a Tualatin

00:29 <ball> I still have the chip, but no mainboard for it.

00:30 <ball> I'll be back shortly.

00:30 <ball> If I had the money, I'd buy a Celeron 420 or perhaps a Pentium Dual Core.

00:31 <MTughan> Why not a Core 2 CPU?

00:31 <MTughan> Or one of AMD's shiny new Phenom IIs?

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00:39 <ball> MTughan: they're all the same chip, just with different bits disabled.

00:39 <ball> Well, the Celeron may be a different die, I'm not sure

00:39 <ball> Same guts though.

00:39 <MTughan> Yep. So why get a "crippled" chip?

00:39 <ball> I think they even have dual-core Celerons now.

00:40 <ball> MTughan: what little money I can make available, I'd rather spend on RAM

00:40 <MTughan> Ah, true.

00:41 <ball> For my applications (excl. boinc) I suspect more RAM will yield higher perceived speed than more cores

00:41 <ball> (swap is slow)

00:41 <MTughan> Unless you have SSDs, which are more expensive still.

00:41 * ball nods

00:42 <ball> even then it's probably slower than RAM

00:42 <MTughan> Probably, although the seek times are probably near the same.

00:42 <MTughan> Actually, probably not... Because all that data still has to go through the NB and SB.

00:44 <ball> AMD chips are light on cache, but perhaps the on-die DRAM controller offsets that somewhat

00:44 <ball> ...or HyperTransport.

00:44 * ball shrugs

00:44 <ball> it gets confusing.

00:44 <MTughan> Very.

00:44 <ball> ...difficult to compare.

00:47 <ball> okay, I /think/ at 25% this machine isn't going to overheat.

00:47 <MTughan> What cooler do you have on it?

00:47 <ball> I'll let it finish this unit, then retire it.

00:48 <MTughan> Oh, this is the G3?

00:48 <ball> yes, the iBook

00:48 <MTughan> Guess it was never designed to take too much heat...

00:48 <MTughan> What OS are you using?

00:49 <ball> MTughan: this has MacOS X on it.

00:49 <MTughan> Which one?

00:49 <Romulus> Somebody said Which one is giving you headaches, MTughan

00:49 <ball> 10.4 "Tiger" I think

00:49 <MTughan> So fairly recent then.

00:49 <MTughan> At least it's not running 10.3 Panther.

00:50 <ball> MTughan: recent OS on non-recent hardware.  Much faster than anything I own though,.

00:50 <MTughan> Well, Apple usually makes sure that their hardware is supported for a while, and is still fast on new versions of OS X.

00:50 <ball> I set up a boinc team for my college.

00:51 <MTughan> Although Snow Leopard drops support for all PPC computers.

00:51 <ball> I was pricing up G4 towers earlier today.

00:51 <ball> I've had issues with Apple firmware though, so making it boot something non-Apple might be tough.

00:51 <MTughan> Refurbished?

00:51 <ball> MTughan: yes.

00:51 <ball> Apparently they also did an aluminium G4 Powerbook

00:52 <ball> I've never seen it though.

00:52 <MTughan> G4 tower... A Power Mac?

00:52 <ball> MTughan: yes

00:52 <MTughan> The next closest thing would be an early Mac mini.

00:53 <ball> I had a PowerPC Mac Mini in my "shopping cart" on at the time of their transition to Intel

00:53 <ball> ...Apple actually phoned me up to ask what I wanted to do

00:53 <MTughan> Haha, really?

00:53 <MTughan> Nice...

00:53 <ball> PPC at discount or Intel at full price.

00:53 <ball> I told them to forget it.

00:54 <MTughan> I've always wished for a PPC Mac... Not for developing, but testing how the PPC code I compile actually works.

00:54 <ball> On PowerPC, does boinc make use of Altivec (where present)?

00:54 <ball> ...or is that up to the app?

00:55 <MTughan> BOINC doesn't, but project applications should.

00:55 <ball> Ah, okay.

00:55 <MTughan> I always use Altivec.

00:55 <jasong> Aren't there a lot of people that would have preferred that Apple had stayed with PPC?

00:56 <ball> jasong: I can't speek for the Mac community because I'm mostly a visitor there, but I was sad to see the last desktop RISC platform die.

00:56 <jasong> Well, they had to make a non-RISCy choice, I guess ;)

00:56 <ball> Sun may still sell UltraSPARC workstations, but they're hardly mainstream and their days are probably numbered.

00:57 <ball> jasong: I'm sure it made sound business (and even engineering) sense.

00:57 <MTughan> Yeah, and I've only been involved in Macs for 2.5 years. Started about half a year after the transition.

00:57 <ball> ...and full credit to Apple - they, like Sun have managed the CISC -> RISC -> CISC transition smoothly.

00:58 <ball> Sun probably did it without the emulation thing though.

00:58 <ball> Hmm... I have a couple of Athlon chips here somewhere

00:58 <ball> Athlon64 and Athlon XP

00:59 <ball> ...board would probably cost more than the whole machine would be worth though.

01:00 <ball> xload shows quite clearly where I altered the proportion of max CPU that boinc gets

01:01 <ball> I've gone from Savannah to cricket pitch.

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01:04 <ball> Hmm... thought I'd found a mainboard for that Athlon XP but alas, it's out of stock.

01:08 * ball sighs

01:10 <ball> Does boinc care much about the underlying OS?

01:11 <MTughan> For which application to download, yes.

01:12 <XioNYC> I've been a Mac user since 68000s were hot stuff.  Apple's platform transitions from 68k to PPC was almost perfect (if you ignore the fact that the PPC emulation could not support FPU calls), but the PPC to x86 transition was not been as smooth - mostly because Jobs wanted to play God with His minions.

01:12 <ball> XioNYC: the 68k was a Thing of Beauty

01:12 <XioNYC> There: I've said my piece.  I feel better.

01:12 <MTughan> It's been okay, but the Rosetta emulation is slow.

01:13 <ball> XioNYC: The arrogant man apparently also removed FireWire from the Aluminium MacBook

01:13 <XioNYC> Rosetta was the Netwon's handwriting recognition technology.  Any x86 emulating a PowerPC will perform worse than a PowerPC emulating an x86.

01:13 <ball> "FireWire is dead!" he said.

01:13 <MTughan> ball: Yep. :(

01:14 <XioNYC> USB is for mice; FireWire is for Men.

01:14 <MTughan> My Aluminum MacBook has no Firewire.

01:14 <XioNYC> Screw the Arrogant Bastard, and long live the Quarda 950!

01:14 * ball has a Quadra 700 stashed.

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01:15 * XioNYC has a fully-functional Mac Plus stashed away for a rainy day.

01:15 <ball> Someone ran away with my SE

01:15 <ball> ...probably did me a favour

01:15 <XioNYC> Not if it was an SE/30 - you couldda Linux'ed or A/UX'ed it.

01:16 <XioNYC> .o0( I wonder if BOINC'll run on a Linux'ed IIcx... and when I'd have time to find out... )

01:16 <ball> XioNYC: we had three or four of those, but they died.

01:17 <XioNYC> Good times, those 68k days.  The most ingenuity the Mac ever witnessed.

01:18 <XioNYC> * sigh *

01:18 * ball nods

01:18 <ball> I should fire up my Quadra tonight :-)

01:18 <XioNYC> Oh, well... I'm off to discuss Apple history with the nearest pillow I can find.  &nn all!

01:19 <ball> Goodnight

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01:25 * ball prices up some boxen from HP

01:55 <ball> oooh, if I only had US$ 800 spare.

02:04 <zombie67> 800?  for a good machine?

02:04 * ball nods

02:04 <zombie67> link?

02:04 <Romulus> Rumor has it link is posted earlier:, zombie67

02:04 <ball> Celeron 420, 4 Gbytes RAM, two 160 Gbytes SATA drives

02:04 <ball> HP ML 110

02:04 <zombie67> meh

02:05 <ball> I could spend an extra US$ 250 and get a Xeon

02:05 <zombie67> still not impressed

02:05 <ball> ...then that box could replace about four of my tatty old Pentium III boxen

02:05 <zombie67> well sure

02:05 <ball> zombie67: trust me, it would be a hell of a lot faster than what I have now.

02:06 <ball> brb, garbage duty.

02:07 <zombie67> must be on the islands

02:17 <ball> I'm about 4,000 miles away from my island, sadly

02:32 <ball> Would it be sensible to have two boxes for that CPU percentage thing: one for when your machine's in use and one for when it's idle?

02:33 <ball> (e.g. 25% while I'm using it, 75% when I'm not)?

02:33 <MTughan> That'd be too obvious. ;)

02:38 <ball> I'll set it to 75% after 30 seconds of non-use.

02:38 <ball> ...trying to get this work unit completed.

02:38 <Soul_keeper> freaks

02:38 <Soul_keeper> it's time to go to sleep

02:39 * ball vaguely remembers sleep

02:39 <MTughan> 2:40AM here.

02:39 <ball> 01:40 here

02:41 <zombie67> mercy

02:41 <zombie67> 23:41 here

02:41 <MTughan> xD

02:41 <MTughan> I'm used to it.

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03:37 <ELGono>

03:37 <Romulus> <> (at

03:37 <ELGono> hehe she did it

03:42 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 58.4F / 14.7C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Showers developing...along with a chance of thunderstorms. Lows around 40. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...becoming west. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A chance (1 more message)

03:42 <CoderForLife> &more

03:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: of showers in the morning. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear. Much colder with lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 10 mph.;

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03:44 <ELGono> moo don

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03:55 <CoderForLife> moo Justus

04:30 <ELGono> just installed ubuntu 8.10 x64

04:31 <ELGono> on laptop

04:31 <CoderForLife> you must be proud =)

04:31 <ELGono> yesterday on other box, but it still has problems with cuda support

04:31 <ELGono> no just have some time after exams ;)

04:37 <CoderForLife> heh

04:37 <CoderForLife> well-spent

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05:12 <ball> Can I launch a command-line boinc client in the foreground?

05:12 <ball> (on Linux)?

05:15 <ball> Ah, found it

05:15 <ball> "boinc", oddly enough.

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05:22 <ELGono> there are seti cuda units available again

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05:24 <ball> Hello, I need some help with boinc.  I've just installed it on a Linux box, but I don't know how to attach it to my boinc account.

05:24 <ball> (so that it can fetch work)

05:25 <ELGono> boinc --help

05:25 <ELGono> ;)

05:26 <ELGono> there are options like --attach_project

05:27 <ball> How do I know what to use for <URL> though?

05:30 <ball> I would just use the GUI, but that doesn't appear much more simple

05:30 <ELGono> like

05:30 <Romulus> Title: SETI@home (at

05:30 <ELGono> of course gui is much easier

05:30 <ELGono> follow the screen instructions ;)

05:31 <ELGono> the url of project you get at major boinc website

05:33 <ball> What do I use for "key" ?

05:33 <ELGono> the password you get from project

05:34 <ELGono> or u just sign a new account

05:34 <ball> Trying that now

05:39 <ball> I can't get it to work and it's almost 04:40

05:41 <ball> I'm off to bed.

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05:58 <ball> From the Tools menu, if I choice "attach to project" or "attach to account manager", nothing happens.

05:58 <ball> Is that normal?

06:02 <ball> This does seem a bit complex.  I thought I'd just get to type in my WorldGrid username and password and have it pick up from there.

06:05 <ball> I have it running on a Mac (MacOS X 10.4), but making it work on Linux requires something extra that I'm missing

06:05 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

06:05 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:05 <ball> bye CoderForLife

06:07 <ball> Oh well, I'll just turn this thing off.

06:07 <ball> bye all

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06:46 <hawmps> 'mornin

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08:54 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

08:54 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 9.0F / -12.8C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.49in / 1032.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Sunny...colder. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 35 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low zero to 5 above. North wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. High in the upper 20s. (1 more message)

08:54 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:54 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Hydrologic Statement for Polk County in effect until 10:48 AM CDT on March 11, 2009;

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10:11 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

10:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 39.5F / 4.2C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 2.2mph / 3.5km/h ; Today - Cloudy with rain showers likely early this morning... then partly sunny late this morning and afternoon. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)

10:11 <CoderForLife> &more

10:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

10:22 <PovAdct_w> 1 minute of CPU time, 250MB of RAM, and the app still hasn't started

10:22 <PovAdct_w> (still spĺash screen)

10:22 <PovAdct_w> fucking IBM

10:22 <wdsmia> asks PovAdct_w to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

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10:26 <CoderForLife> Are you becoming irRational, PovAdct_w?

10:26 <PovAdct_w> 320 MB of RAM and I still haven't opened a project

10:27 <CoderForLife> IBM is trying to keep up with MS bloatware

10:27 <PovAdct_w> IBM must have some corporate relationship with RAM manufacturing companies

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10:27 * PovAdct_w suspends Rosetta@Home to free RAM

10:27 <Fwerp> lol

10:27 <CoderForLife> um-hmm

10:27 <Fwerp> mornin

10:28 <CoderForLife> hello fwerp = welcome back to paradise

10:28 <CoderForLife> this is as good as it gets - learn to like it

10:28 <Fwerp> my neighbors locked me outa their wireless

10:29 <Fwerp> 128bit key... pft

10:29 <Fwerp> sooooooooooo im pointed down the block

10:29 <Fwerp> on ROADRUNNER CABLE~!

10:29 <Fwerp> ... i need nets  in my house

10:29 <Fwerp> the bill for interwebs at store is like a gazillion $ twice

10:30 <PovAdct_w> hah

10:30 <PovAdct_w> UML, create class, add method, add parameter...

10:30 <PovAdct_w> set parameter type...

10:30 <PovAdct_w> I type "int" and it goes ahead and takes 15 seconds to search types matching "int"

10:31 <PovAdct_w> then gives me 6 options and disables OK button for all but one

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10:56 <CoderForLife> time to wrestle with SAP over the contract language again - laterz

10:56 <PovAdct_w> fun

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11:54 <wdsmia_w> Total Credit 117,586... I think Willy broke somthing lol

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12:35 <PovAdct_w> hi ball

12:37 <ball> hello PovAdct_w

12:38 <ball> I'm trying to figure out how to launch boinc from the command line and have it use my WorldCommunityGrid account

12:38 <ball> (think that's what it's called)

12:39 <ball> Ah yes, that's it.

12:40 <PovAdct_w> never use boinc --attach_project; it's so confusing I don't know why it's there at all

12:40 <ball> Okay.  What's the preferred procedure then?

12:40 <PovAdct_w> you should first start the client (if it's not already running!) with ./boinc --daemon (from the correct directory), then control it with boinccmd

12:42 <PovAdct_w> boinccmd --lookup_account yourusername yourpassword

12:43 <Romulus> Title: World Community Grid - Home (at

12:43 <PovAdct_w> will give your account key

12:43 <PovAdct_w> boinccmd --project_attach <account key from previous step>

12:43 <Romulus> Title: World Community Grid - Home (at

12:44 * PovAdct_w slaps the bot

12:44 <ball> How can I tell if that has worked?

12:45 <PovAdct_w> --get_project_status

12:46 <ball> okay.  I /think/ that's working

12:51 <ball> I'll find out after a few days if it completes a work unit

12:51 <ball> I'll look in on it with top too.

12:51 <ball> I'm not sure how it decides whether this machine is busy though

12:51 <ball> ...perhaps it looks at loadavg or something.

12:52 <ball> PovAdct_w: many thanks for your help.

12:55 <ball> I have to go.

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13:16 <jackygrahamez> hi guys

13:16 <jackygrahamez> I got an issue running an app through wrapper

13:16 <jackygrahamez> for some reason, the job file gets messed up with certain command-line

13:17 <jackygrahamez> PovAddict are you there?

13:18 <FreeLarry58> looks like hes around but at a 4 letter place

13:18 <jackygrahamez> ahh

13:18 <PovAdct_w> indeed

13:18 <jackygrahamez> well I'll post the job file

13:23 <jackygrahamez> here is an explaination of my problem

13:23 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

13:24 <jackygrahamez> A command line is mis-interpreted by the wrapper

13:27 <FreeLarry58> line 423 has an odd smbol listed for my system - but then this one is set to do nonunicode to japanese also

13:29 <PovAdct_w> jackygrahamez: you typed the wrong dash, let's say...

13:29 <PovAdct_w> – is, I think, a Unicode en-dash

13:29 <jackygrahamez> could it be that simple???

13:30 <PovAdct_w> I copied it to notepad with a non-monospaced font, and it does look different

13:30 <PovAdct_w> – and -

13:30 <jackygrahamez> Let me try manually typing and avoide the possibility of cut and paste disasters

13:31 <FreeLarry58> PovAdct_w your symbols are in kanji here and a dash

13:31 <PovAdct_w> my symbols? I posted only one :)

13:31 <PovAdct_w> learning japanese?

13:32 <FreeLarry58> was trying a bit but brain is mush so only recognize as foriegn

13:32 <FreeLarry58> well kanji symbol and puncuation mark

13:32 <PovAdct_w>

13:32 <PovAdct_w> looks like a single dash here

13:33 <FreeLarry58> same symbol and different puntuation mark now

13:36 <jackygrahamez> I retyped that entire line...let's see what effect that has...

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13:52 <jackygrahamez> That was it!!!

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14:08 <zombie67> "I haven't heard a compelling reason for a per-project preference for not using the GPU." - DA

14:09 <zombie67> That's odd.  I've see about 5 people post compelling reasons.

14:09 <zombie67> Guess he just doesn't want to hear it.

14:10 <jackygrahamez> what's that |o|

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14:37 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

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14:59 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

14:59 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 69.4F / 20.8C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow (1 more message)

15:00 <jackygrahamez> &more

15:00 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. North winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.;

15:00 <jackygrahamez> nice weather, I think I'll go for an afternoon run!

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15:53 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:08 * ball waves

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16:10 * xcamel waves back

16:11 * ball feels unreasonably happy in view of what he's just done.

16:11 <dashs> ubuntu (mythbuntu) system  -- peer certificate cannot be authenticated with CA certificates, any fix?

16:24 <xcamel> huh?

16:25 <PovAddict> /o\

16:25 <PovAddict> f'ing public transport

16:25 <PovAddict> f'ing summer

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16:30 <xcamel> &wx 120774

16:30 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

16:30 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:30 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 50.2F / 10.1C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Cooler with lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Much colder with highs in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; (1 more message)

16:30 <jasong> Isn't it about time we start referring to the program as BINC, since David Anderson seems to be making a joke of the word the O stands for?

16:30 <xcamel> &more

16:30 <Romulus> xcamel: Thursday Night - Clear. Colder with lows around 13. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight.;

16:30 <xcamel> how about BORK

16:32 <PovAddict> &grab jasong

16:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

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16:41 <jasong> &grab crotch

16:41 <Romulus> jasong: Error: I couldn't find a proper message to grab.

16:42 <jasong> That response could have been phrased a lot worse ;)

16:42 <jasong> Could not find crotch handle

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16:46 <CoderForLife> 'lo

16:46 <CoderForLife> the fine folks at the warbird museum say hi

16:47 <CoderForLife> bad day, PovAddict?

16:49 <xcamel> seems so...

16:49 <xcamel> well.. it hit 50 for a minute or two..

16:50 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

16:50 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 64.6F / 18.1C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 29.38in / 994.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers overnight. Lows 41 to 51. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 40 percent.; Thursday - Cloudy with scattered showers in the morning...then partly cloudy in the (1 more message)

16:51 <xcamel> shuttle launch canceled?

16:51 <xcamel> hmmm.. wonder why..

16:51 <CoderForLife> gas leak

16:52 <CoderForLife> and Hello Jay  =)

16:53 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: bad commute

16:53 <CoderForLife> I detected that somehow

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16:56 <xcamel> read the story about the 'grabby old men' on Japan's trains.. no commute you have could be that bad..

16:56 <PovAddict> &boincerr -148

16:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: exec() failed

16:59 <MTughan> Uh oh... DA wants to relicense BOINC.

17:01 <PovAddict> speak about...

17:01 <MTughan> And licensing under EPL would forbid me from using BOINC libraries in my manager.

17:01 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs quote jasong

17:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: <jasong> Isn't it about time we start referring to the program as BINC, since David Anderson seems to be making a joke of the word the O stands for?

17:02 <MTughan> EPL is considered a free license by the FSF, but it's incompatible with the GPL.

17:05 <PovAddict> is it compatible with wxWidgets license? :)

17:07 <MTughan> Apparently, the wx license is a slightly modified version of the LGPL.

17:07 <MTughan>

17:07 <Romulus> Title: Licence - wxWidgets (at

17:07 <PovAddict> I think that "slight" modification may make a difference with EPL compatibility

17:08 <MTughan> It's compatible with the GPL.

17:08 <MTughan> Is the GPL compatible with the EPL, but not vice versa?

17:08 <PovAddict> "compatible" isn't specific enough

17:09 <MTughan> "Richard has confirmed that the new licence is compatible with GPL'ed applications."

17:09 <PovAddict> should be put in terms like "can a XXX program link with a YYY library?"

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17:17 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:18 <yoyo[RKN]> &boincerr -195

17:18 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: no app version

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17:18 <yoyo[RKN]> &boincerr 195

17:18 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: I couldn't find 195 in boincerr.

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17:22 <jasong> Possibly naive question, but I don't understand how the world economy could lose value.  If the world economy lost a certain amount of value, wouldn't that simply mean that things would be cheaper for a short time?  Or are there countries that are becoming richer that offset the bad luck of the ones in the news?

17:23 <jasong> Mind you, I'm talking about actual value, not the changes having to do with inflation and deflation

17:23 <MTughan> I think the big thing that people have experienced is that the value of their posessions goes down.

17:23 <MTughan> Like home prices have plummeted.

17:23 <PovAddict> and if food price goes up, your money value goes down (you can buy less food with it)

17:23 <PovAddict> replace food with any other good or service

17:23 <jasong> Yes, but does that mean that the world in general has had a loss of assets?

17:24 <XioNYC> jasong: I think you're confusing availability of resources, goods, and services for the price (which is the de facto means for measuring the value of said)

17:24 <jasong> Okay, let's say everything on the planet were tracked and valued.  Do you think the net worth of everything on the planet has gone up or down in the last few months?

17:25 <XioNYC> Since individuals, corporations, and governments are less willing to pay, the value (appearance, not intrinsic) decreases.  Less demand, the lower the price.

17:25 <jasong> Not including untapped resources of course

17:25 <XioNYC> The lower the price, the lower the "value".

17:25 <XioNYC>

17:26 <XioNYC> Conversely, there's a great joke about how to explain inflation...

17:26 <jasong> listening

17:27 <XioNYC> You get married.  Your spouse is 35 and weighs 60kg.  Thirty years later, your spouse is 65 and weighs 75kg.  So you have much more, but "worth" the same.

17:27 <XioNYC> (It's better when in Spanish)

17:27 <jasong> Oh, because of puns?

17:28 <MTughan> &math convert 60 kg to lb

17:28 <Romulus> MTughan: 132.277357311

17:28 <XioNYC> No; because there's no good translation for "pero no te sirve para nada".

17:28 <MTughan> I've never gotten used to understanding measurements in kilograms, despite living in Canada...

17:29 <XioNYC> Just double the kg.

17:29 <XioNYC> It's quick-n'-dirty, but it works.

17:29 <MTughan> Not quite...

17:29 <MTughan> &math convert 1 kb to lb

17:29 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: kb is not a valid unit.

17:29 <jasong> How's the government up there, MT?  compared to the US, I mean

17:29 <MTughan> &math convert 1 kg to lb

17:29 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.20462262185

17:30 <MTughan> jasong: How should I know? I don't know what the US government is like.

17:30 <CoderForLife> hmm my data is very heavy

17:30 * XioNYC knows that kb is a valid unit, as are kB, Kb, KB, and K

17:30 * XioNYC forgot that B is also a unit.

17:30 <jasong> Looks like if you double it, and then add another tenth of what you get to itself, you get it pretty close

17:30 <XioNYC> Double it and add the tenth twice.

17:30 <MTughan> I think Rommie focuses on capitalization.

17:30 <MTughan> &math convert 1 KB to bytes

17:30 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: KB is not a valid unit.

17:30 <XioNYC> &math 1B to dB

17:30 <Romulus> XioNYC: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

17:30 <MTughan> Or maybe not...

17:31 <XioNYC> &math convert 1B to dB

17:31 <Romulus> XioNYC: Error: 1B is not a valid unit.

17:31 <MTughan> &math convert 1 KiB to bytes

17:31 <Romulus> MTughan: 1024

17:31 <XioNYC> &math convert 1 KiB to KB

17:31 <Romulus> XioNYC: Error: KB is not a valid unit.

17:31 <MTughan> XioNYC: You have to separate the number and unit.

17:31 <MTughan> &math convert 1 B to dB

17:31 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: dB is not a valid unit.

17:31 <MTughan> Let's try this...

17:31 <MTughan> &math convert 1 bel to decibels

17:31 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: bel is not a valid unit.

17:32 * XioNYC Doesn't know whether to laugh, cry, or file a bug report

17:32 <MTughan> B probably referrs to bytes.

17:32 <MTughan> &math convert 1 KiB to B

17:32 <Romulus> MTughan: 1024

17:32 <MTughan> Yep.

17:33 <PovAddict> I think he's case insensitive

17:33 <jasong> &math convert 10 kB to B

17:33 <Romulus> jasong: 10000

17:33 <jasong> :p

17:33 <MTughan> Obviously not...

17:33 <MTughan> &math convert 32 fAhReNhEiT to C

17:33 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: fAhReNhEiT is not a valid unit.

17:33 <PovAddict> the difference there is the i

17:34 <MTughan> &math convert 32 fahrenheit to C

17:34 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: fahrenheit is not a valid unit.

17:34 <XioNYC> I think I'll stick to my slide rule.

17:34 <MTughan> o_O

17:34 <jasong> I'm like a computer, I'm really intelligent, but have no common sense

17:34 <PovAddict> &math convert 1 day to FuRlOnGs

17:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: FuRlOnGs is not a valid unit.

17:34 <PovAddict> or something

17:34 <PovAddict> ah no, it was the other one

17:34 <PovAddict> ("furlongs per fortnight")

17:34 <PovAddict> &math convert 1 day to FoRtNiGhT

17:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: FoRtNiGhT is not a valid unit.

17:34 <PovAddict> you suck

17:34 <XioNYC> ^_^

17:34 <PovAddict> &math convert 1 meter to KiLoMeteRs

17:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: KiLoMeteRs is not a valid unit.

17:34 <PovAddict> I think he doesn't have it at all

17:35 <PovAddict> &units distance

17:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: valid types: mass, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid (1 more message)

17:35 <MTughan> &math convert 32 F to Kelvins

17:35 <Romulus> MTughan: 273.15

17:35 <PovAddict> &units length

17:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: length units: m, meter, metre, decimeter, cm, centimeter, mm, millimeter, micrometer, micron, nanometer, nm, dekameter, hectometer, km, kilometer, megameter, angstrom, fermi, barn, inch, in, inches, mil, microinch, microinches, foot, ft, feet, yard, yd, mile, mi, nautical mile, nmi, league, chain, fathom, rod, furlong, hand, cubit, point, pica, caliber, football field, marathon, au, (1 more message)

17:35 <MTughan> &math convert 32 F to KeLvInS

17:35 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: KeLvInS is not a valid unit.

17:35 <XioNYC> I think that it's looking for the abberviations.

17:35 <MTughan> Yeah, he's case sensitive.

17:35 <jasong> &math add 1 cross plus 3 nails

17:35 <Romulus> jasong: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

17:35 <jasong> If I were the programmer, I'd add that one for the heck of it

17:35 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 cross + 3 nails

17:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

17:35 <MTughan> PovAddict: Look at Kelvin, as I did above.

17:35 <jasong> equals Forgiven

17:35 <jasong> fourgiven

17:36 <MTughan> Using "Kelvins" it works, but "KeLvInS" doesn't.

17:36 <XioNYC> In "inflation language" it'd be fivegiven.

17:36 <jasong> evangelical humor

17:36 <PovAddict> &google calc the answer to life, the universe, and everything

17:36 <Romulus> PovAddict: the answer to life, the universe, and everything = 42

17:37 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 / once in a blue moon

17:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1 / once in a blue moon = 2.71542689 years

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17:37 <XioNYC> Thank you, Marvin.  Now go sit in a corner and rust.

17:37 <MTughan> What is once in a blue moon?

17:37 <MTughan> &google calc once in a blue moon

17:37 <Romulus> MTughan: once in a blue moon = 1.16699016 * 10^(-8) hertz

17:38 <PovAddict> once every 2.715 years :)

17:38 <MTughan> 0.0000000116699016 Hz... That's small.

17:38 <PovAddict> &google calc number of horns on a unicorn

17:38 <Romulus> PovAddict: number of horns on a unicorn = 1

17:39 <XioNYC> The next blue moon (believe it or not) is 2009-12-31 (if you subscribe to the urban legend that a blue moon is the second full moon in a calendar month)

17:39 <PovAddict> &google calc speed of sound at sea level in nautical miles per minute

17:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: speed of sound at sea level = 11.024514 nautical miles per minute

17:39 <MTughan> lol

17:40 <XioNYC> &google calc light year * 15 billion years

17:40 <xcamel> re-back

17:40 <Romulus> XioNYC: light year * 15 billion years = 4.47817792 * 10^(33) m s

17:40 <CoderForLife> &google calc speed of sound at sea level in furlongs per fortnight

17:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: speed of sound at sea level = 2 046 124.55 furlongs per fortnight

17:40 <PovAddict> &google calc baker's dozen

17:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1 baker's dozen = 13

17:40 <XioNYC> &google calc light year * 15 billion years in femtometers

17:40 <Romulus> XioNYC: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

17:41 <MTughan> &google calc (light year * 15 billion years) in femtometers

17:41 <Romulus> MTughan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

17:41 <PovAddict> XioNYC: light year * N years gives a time^2 unit

17:41 <PovAddict> femtometer is a unit of length

17:41 <XioNYC> D'oh!

17:41 <CoderForLife> &google calc 15000000000 light years in parsecs

17:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 15 000 000 000 light years = 4.5989187 * 10^(9) Parsecs

17:41 <PovAddict> oh wait, not exactly

17:41 <PovAddict> light year is a unit of speed :)

17:41 <XioNYC> &google calc 15 billion light years in femtometers

17:41 <Romulus> XioNYC: 15 billion light years = 1.41907926 * 10^(41) femtometers

17:41 <xcamel> nothing better yo do?

17:41 <XioNYC> Nope.

17:42 <CoderForLife> Romulus needed some exercise

17:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Are you daft?

17:42 <XioNYC> &google calc 15 billion light years in femtometers in binary

17:42 <Romulus> XioNYC: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

17:42 <XioNYC> It was worth asking :-P

17:42 <PovAddict> or... no I was right at the beginning :S

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17:42 <CoderForLife> &eightball Is CoderForLife daft?

17:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: The outlook is good.

17:42 <PovAddict> &google calc (15 billion light years in femtometers) in binary

17:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

17:42 <XioNYC> &eightball Are we having fun yet?

17:42 <Romulus> XioNYC: The answer is a resounding no.

17:42 <PovAddict> &google calc 15 billion light years in binary femtometers

17:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

17:42 * XioNYC will shut up now

17:42 <PovAddict> meh

17:46 <jasong> &google calc Planck length

17:46 <Romulus> jasong: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

17:46 <jasong> &google Planck length

17:46 <Romulus> jasong: Search took 0.18 seconds: Planck length - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Planck units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; What is Planck length ? What is Planck time?: <>; How did Max Planck determine the planck length ?: (2 more messages)

17:46 <PovAddict>

17:46 <Romulus> <> (at

17:47 <FreeLarry58> humm PovAddict i think the third option one for me

17:48 <jasong> I know how to define Planck time.  It's the time between when the light changes to green and the guy behind you honks his horn

17:48 <FreeLarry58> lol almost the guy behind faster

17:49 <MTughan> PovAddict: DA response.

17:49 * FreeLarry58 scratches head and thinks plank time something along lines of 10 to the minus 13 sec

17:50 <MTughan> &google calc Planck time

17:50 <Romulus> MTughan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

17:50 <FreeLarry58> &google planck

17:50 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Search took 0.27 seconds: Max Planck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Planck constant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <'s_constant>; Max Planck - Biography: <>; Planck - Home Page: (2 more messages)

17:51 <MTughan> &google calc light speed / 1.616e-35 meters

17:51 <Romulus> MTughan: the speed of light / (1.61600e-35 meters) = 1.85515135 * 10^(43) hertz

17:52 <MTughan> I don't think that's what I wanted...

17:52 <MTughan> &google calc 1 / light speed / 1.616e-35 meters

17:52 <Romulus> MTughan: (1 / the speed of light) / (1.61600e-35 meters) = 2.06413425 * 10^(26) s / m^(2)

17:52 <FreeLarry58>'s_constant i was way off

17:52 <Romulus> Title: Planck constant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

17:53 <xcamel> &google hawking paradox

17:53 <Romulus> xcamel: Search took 0.19 seconds: Black hole information paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Black holes and the Hawking paradox: <>; The Hawking Paradox: <>; Hawking cracks black hole (3 more messages)

17:54 <xcamel> it's OK.. I've already solved it.

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18:00 <Soul_keeper>

18:00 <Romulus> <> (at

18:05 <XioNYC> Interesting find Soul_keeper.  I hope there'll be Linux drivers.

18:05 <Soul_keeper> :)

18:06 <Soul_keeper> intel just announced they'll be releasing the linux developer's kit for larrabee at the end of this year or early next year

18:11 <Soul_keeper> sounds like that could hit the ground running :)

18:18 <CoderForLife> bbiab  re-dinner

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18:32 <CoderForLife> re-back

18:38 <Soul_keeper> good work

18:43 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Just passed 2 mil. :D

18:43 <Soul_keeper> good work

18:43 <Soul_keeper> i officially can't afford to catch you now

18:43 <MTughan> :P

18:44 <jasong> I'd just like to say that, when it comes to stem cell research, I think both major views are extremely nutty.

18:45 <jasong> It's neither a miracle cure, nor a deserving Christian cause

18:46 * jasong is sad that nobody seems to want to know why stem cell research rhetoric seems so silly

18:46 * jasong goes and pouts in a corner

18:47 <jasong> Wait, I'm web-surfing in a corner.  How convenient

19:32 <jasong> OMG, the company's called Caustic Graphics.  I'm guessing that their product's so good that they gave the company a lousy name to increase the chances they wouldn't have shipping delays on promised product

19:33 <Soul_keeper> they might go the way of bitboys

19:34 <jasong> Bitboys?  What's that, a porn site?

19:34 <jasong> nm, forget  I said that

19:37 <Soul_keeper> was another small graphics startup company that caused a big ruccus 4yrs ago or so

19:37 <Soul_keeper> they never got a product to market

19:37 <Soul_keeper> just kept delaying and got bought out or whatever

19:38 <PovAddict> sounds like Via

19:38 <Soul_keeper> apparently ati bought them out in 2006

19:39 <Soul_keeper>

19:39 <Romulus> Title: BitBoys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

19:45 * KathrynM yawns

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20:05 <Fwerp> poo

20:05 <Fwerp>

20:05 <Romulus> <> (at

20:10 <xcamel> back again

20:16 <Fwerp>

20:16 <Romulus> <> (at

20:17 <Fwerp> xcamel: that any goood?

20:17 <Fwerp> i joined on the 2nd

20:33 <xcamel> yup - it's a good start

20:33 <xcamel> AMD Unknown CPU Type << lol

20:35 <xcamel>

20:35 <Romulus> <> (at

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22:35 <Fwerp> beef

22:36 <XioNYC> "What's for dinner?"  I'll take catchphrases for $200, ALex.

22:41 <mchelen> is there a good way to benchmark cuda boinc?

22:43 <PovAddict> no, there isnt even a way for boinc to measure science app gpu usage...

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22:44 <PovAddict> assume everything is impossible on cuda until shown otherwise... too young a platform still

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23:00 <factor> heh

23:01 <factor> CUDA stuff is nifty

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23:49 <jasong> Hey, I've got an external hard drive on another computer that's refusing to let me change anything on it.  I need an easy way to commit data Armageddon on that drive, just wipe it clean and start over.

23:50 <jasong> Also, I've got boinc on the other one, so if someone could point me in the right direction in terms of Google terms for remote command, that'd be great

23:51 <jasong> both are Linux machines, but this one is Ubuntu and the other is CentOS.  After I do data Armageddon and a new backup, this one will be CentOS in short order

23:52 <jasong> I'll be up for the next 3 hours, rounded up, so say my name if you see this later  and want to help :)

23:52 <jasong> Oh, sorry, data Armageddon on an external drive, and then there's an internal drive that's helping to crunch boinc

23:53 <XioNYC> What's the device: /dev/sda or somesuch?

23:55 <jasong> I'll check

23:56 <jasong> When I access it through the GUI, it's in /media/disk , I know that doesn't help, but I'm not sure how to find out the information

23:56 <XioNYC> Here

23:56 <XioNYC> damn return key got in the way...

23:57 <XioNYC> Here's what you need to do: Drop into a console shell and run `mount -l`.  This should show you the device's name on the filesystem tree as well as where the device is mounted to.

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23:57 <jasong> okay

23:58 <XioNYC> Once you have that information, you will need to unmount the drive (either by `umount /mount/point` or through the automagical hokey-pokey of your distro's HAL library).

23:59 <XioNYC> Only *then* will you be able to begin the "nuke all data" process.

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