IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-03-12

00:00 * jasong is headed to pastebin because I'm confused

00:01 <XioNYC> S'okay.  Take your time.

00:02 <jasong> i figured it out, i was trying to do it remotely when I should have been actually walking over to the other computer

00:02 <jasong> /dev/sda1

00:02 <XioNYC> Aha.  Then here's what you'll need to do:

00:03 <XioNYC> 1 - Unmount the device.

00:03 <XioNYC> Correction: 1 - Make sure that anything valuable has been backed up

00:03 <XioNYC> 2 - unmount the device

00:04 <XioNYC> 3 - Login as root

00:04 <XioNYC> 4 - `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=64M` and kiss your bits goodbye.

00:04 <jasong> Shouldn't that be sda1 ?

00:05 <XioNYC> Nope - you're gonna wipe the entire device clean.

00:05 <jasong> ahh, ok

00:05 <XioNYC> Unless you've got another partition on the drive, wipe it all.

00:05 <XioNYC> Do you have a 2nd partition on the drive?

00:05 <jasong> yeah, it's just a backup

00:05 <jasong> no

00:05 <jasong> jus one partition

00:05 <XioNYC> In that case, let's literally clean the slate.

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00:06 <XioNYC> BTW, the `bs=64M` is shorthand for "transfer data from /dev/zero to /dev/sda in 64 MB gulps".

00:06 * jasong is reading the man page for umount, bbiab

00:07 <XioNYC> Depending on how it's connected, you'll get 8-48 MB wiped out per second.

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00:11 <jasong> It's deleting.  basically the data was an older version of what I already have on my laptop, so I'll simply be in limbo for a few hours

00:12 <jasong> Luckily, I have nothing that truly important online, except bank stuff, which isn't stored on my computer

00:12 <jasong> err, nothing truly importnat on my hard drive, I mean

00:12 <XioNYC> Yeah.  The good thing about zeroing the drive this way is that you get to benchmark the drive in the process.

00:13 * jasong talks too much

00:14 <XioNYC> Once it's done, set up a partition using whatever tool you prefer (I still use fdisk/x86 and pdisk/ppc), format with the appropriate program (ex.: `mke2fs`, `mkfs.ext3`, `newfs_hfs`), and you'll have a brand-new drive ready to go.

00:18 <jasong> i think the drive is a few years old.  It's not failing in any way, but I think it's space is about 150Gig or so

00:19 <jasong> good enough for me, but not fantastic

00:26 <Fwerp> w00t

00:27 <jasong> What I'd really like would be an ultra-cheap storage medium kind of like those 3.5 inch disks we used to use.  I'd settle for ultra-slow(1MB/sec transfer, let's say)z in exchange for an MTBF of 100 years or so.  You'd never have to delete anything, you'd just put stuff in the trash, and then when you emptied it it would go in a secondary trash folder with dates.  If you truly wanted to delete something, you'd just get a hammer

00:28 <XioNYC> Google is your Storage Friend.  How's about a Kool-Aid to go with it?

00:28 * XioNYC really HATES "cloud" technologies.

00:29 <jasong> yeah, cloud technologies suck

00:32 <jasong> The best use of distributed storage is to bury your money under more than one tree, in more than one county, in more than one state, and in more than one country.

00:32 <jasong> Not necessarily literally, though

00:34 <jasong> Life is like Windows, sometimes your the one that's Ctrl-Alt-Deleted

00:34 <jasong> oops, you're

00:35 <jasong> I think what I type, and I literally "hear" myself thinking, so sometimes I get a little bit of feedback

00:35 <jasong> I would of done it differently

00:35 <jasong> That's another mistake i make

00:35 <jasong> &monologue

00:35 <Romulus> jasong: Your current monologue is at least 9 lines long.

00:36 <jasong> Christianity is one beggar telling another beggar where to find food

00:37 <jasong> Sometimes the best witness is to speak of the wickedness of the children of God

00:38 <jasong> Humility is a lifestyle that reduces the chance that a past sin will bite you in the ass

00:38 <XioNYC> Trust me: You do *not* want me talking about Christianity.

00:38 <jasong> Are you a Christian?

00:40 <jasong> Hypocrisy is the nature of humanity, all men who haven't sinned are named Jesus

00:40 <jasong> I'll quit :)

00:41 <XioNYC> Obivously you've never been to Washington Hights - the best sinners are often named Jesús.

00:42 <jasong> Man, my hard drive is slow

00:42 <jasong> It's still doing the delete command, or whatever you want to call it

00:43 <XioNYC> You're overwriting every bit with binary zeros.  Is this on USB, ATA, FireWire, SATA?

00:43 <jasong> not sure

00:43 <jasong> Not more than USB

00:43 <jasong> But other than that, I don't know

00:46 <jasong> Don't know if this helps, but I'm seeing about 12% wait times in top, and the boinc programs don't generally generate any wait times

00:47 <jasong> It's a quad-core

00:47 <jasong> So it's doing about 1GHz of thumb twiddling

00:48 <XioNYC> "Wait time" means the processor has no thinking to do.  In this case, because it's waiting on the hard drive to write zeroes - lots of 'em.

00:48 <XioNYC> The bottleneck is USB's data I/O rate.  I'm gonna do a quick back-of-the-envelope...

00:49 <XioNYC> &google calc 150*1000^3 / (120/8)

00:49 <Romulus> XioNYC: (150 * (1,000^3)) / (120 / 8) = 10,000,000,000

00:49 <XioNYC> &google calc 150*1000^3 / 120

00:49 <Romulus> XioNYC: (150 * (1,000^3)) / 120 = 1,250,000,000

00:49 <XioNYC> Okay... I'm screwing up the math somewhere...

00:50 <jasong> So, is it doing 1/8th of a billion bits in writes?

00:50 <jasong> (Since it's doing 1GHz of waiting)

00:50 <XioNYC> Pay no mind to what I had Romulus calculating - I'm using good ol' pen & paper now.

00:51 <jasong> That would be a Gig every 8 seconds

00:51 <jasong> So, at least 20 minutes to do it's thing

00:52 <jasong> I think it's about 60% of the way there

00:52 <XioNYC> First and foremost, CPU speed has nothing to do with hard drive speed.  Next, assuming that you're getting a sustained 8MB/s over USB (which, in my experience, is the best sustained actual data rate you'll get) it'll take approximately 5 hours to wipe the drive completely.

00:53 <jasong> oh, wow

00:53 <XioNYC> That's why I asked if it was a USB, FireWire, PATA, or SATA drive.

00:55 <jasong> I got 4 cores running various things, but dd only seems to be picking on Rosetta@Home

00:55 <jasong> It's at 50%, with everything else being up around 98 most of the time

00:56 <XioNYC> dd is just another process, just like Rosetta@Home.  It requires very few CPU resources compared to BOINC apps - all it's doing is buffering 64MB and waiting to send it over the USB chain.

00:56 <jasong> One of the most deserving projects, and it's gettin' a whoopin for some reason I'm not aware of

00:56 <jasong> I know, I'm just killin' time

00:58 <jasong> I should probably do something constructive, like teaching myself C.  I started on a new medication a couple years back that probably made me about as sane as I'll ever be, and I've just pissed the time away

00:58 <XioNYC> Getting back to the performace of `dd`, I have two 1tB drives in a NAS box that I had to zilch away a few weeks ago.  Under my preferred distro (a Red Hat derivative) it took 7 hours to wipe the drive clean.  That was because the distro didn't support SATA drives natively (it treated them as PATA drives).  Under Fedora 10, however, the SATA drives were both wiped clean in under an hour.  Since then I've had sustained data rates of ~96MB/s.

00:59 <XioNYC> USB will probably perform at ~6MB/s.

01:01 <jasong> I don't know what npviewer is, but I'm sure Ubuntu laptop users hate it with a passion

01:02 * XioNYC does not use n00buntu.

01:02 <jasong> Either that, or my laptop is having some sort of relationship with npviewer

01:07 <XioNYC> brb

01:07 <jasong> I hate this.  On CentOS, I'm connectable in the torrent tracker.  In Ubuntu, I'm not.

01:08 <jasong> I don't have control of the router, so I'm not really sure what to do about it

01:08 * jasong is ranting

01:08 <XioNYC> Check your UPnP setting.

01:08 <jasong> okay

01:08 <XioNYC> ...or was it NAT?

01:08 <XioNYC> Whatever.

01:09 <jasong> enable it or disable it?  (I have no idea what it is or does)

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01:16 <XioNYC> Google is your friend: &google UPnP

01:16 <XioNYC> &google UPnP

01:16 <Romulus> XioNYC: Search took 0.11 seconds: Universal Plug and Play - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; UPnP AV MediaServers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Welcome to the UPnP ™ Forum!: <>; UPnP ™ Standards: <>; UPnP in Skype (2 more messages)

01:16 <XioNYC> &google NAT

01:16 <Romulus> XioNYC: Search took 0.10 seconds: Net!@#& address translation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <!@#&_address_translation>; Nat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; HowStuff!@#&s "How Net!@#& Address Translation !@#&s": <http://computer.howstuff!@#&>; nat friedman: <>; What is NAT ? - A Word (2 more messages)

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02:42 <Soul_keeper>

02:42 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Steve Wozniak - Dancing with the Stars - Dance 1 [HD] (at

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03:48 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:48 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 28.9F / -1.7C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny early this morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in (1 more message)

03:49 <CoderForLife> &more

03:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the mid 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

03:59 <Soul_keeper> good work

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04:13 <efc> moo cfl

04:14 <CoderForLife> moo efc

04:16 <efc> found an interesting Code tidbit yesterday

04:16 <efc> a 6-way overlay

04:17 <efc> 6 structures that live in the same word, used to slice and dice the word up

04:18 <CoderForLife> .. still not sure what that means ..

04:18 <efc> c Unions

04:19 <CoderForLife> ah

04:20 <efc> to go along with my Detouring Award, i'm defining a new SI unit of Bad Code, lets call it the Nasty

04:21 <efc> to replace the unwieldy Stinks*line-years

04:21 <efc> (rather like kilowatt-hours)

04:22 * efc Nastee Coda.. Codin for Moneee.. Code what choo tell me to do..

04:23 <efc> (to the tune of Tina Turner's Nasty Dancer)

04:26 <efc> sorry, thats Private Dancer

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04:36 <CoderForLife> hmm

04:43 <efc> &wx 31088

04:43 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 58F / 14C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1022hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Partly sunny early then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 70s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the evening...then a chance of rain after midnight. Lows in the upper 40s. Northeast (1 more message)

04:46 <CoderForLife> that doesn't sound like capital-C Code to me...

04:54 <J-_> Weird, finally got boinc running.

04:54 <J-_> right when I joined here.

04:54 <J-_> D:

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04:56 <CoderForLife> glad we could help J-_

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04:57 <J-_> lol

04:58 <J-_> This is quite awesome, too. First time hearing about  Boinc.

04:58 <J-_> I'm going to set up my server tomorrow, and put Boinc on it as well.

05:00 <J-_> How can I limit resources that boinc uses? For instance, blender is using 99% of my CPU atm

05:00 <J-_> I don't want to burn my laptop out

05:01 <J-_> Maybe I have to restart the client to get boinc to follow my configuration I set

05:01 * J-_ tries

05:03 <CoderForLife> set preferences on a project web site, then update your client with that project

05:03 <CoderForLife> there's some processor options in the BOINC manager itself

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05:09 <J-_> I'm getting a "12-Mar-2009 05:09:10 [---] [error] GUI RPC bind failed: 98" and "state.init() failed: -180" error

05:10 <J-_> I've only had boinc successfully connect once

05:11 <CoderForLife> time for me to get ready for w@#% - hopefully someone else can help

05:12 <J-_> w@#%?

05:12 <Romulus> w@#% is one, J-_

05:13 <J-_> :|

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05:27 <J-_> I don't have the current version, maybe that's why.

05:27 * J-_ installs it and see what happens

05:32 <J-_> Whoa, the LHC uses this too. Holy crap!

05:49 <xcamel> yeah.. work.

05:53 <J-_> Yeah.. work. what?

05:53 <J-_> >.>

06:03 <ELGono> think he was talking of lhc work

06:03 <ELGono> morning dudes

06:05 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - bye!

06:05 <ELGono> laterz don

06:26 <hawmps> spork >> << spambot

06:38 <J-_> Man, I don't know what it is, but blender is still at 99% while in top I'm only getting 1-5% CPU usage there

06:39 <J-_> And, my cpus get hotter than hell

06:39 <hawmps> iirx, blender is the 3d raytracing part of the project

06:40 <J-_> I know what blender is :)

06:45 <hawmps> spork >>

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07:00 <hawmps> mad*zxap

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08:51 <jackygrahamez> hi

08:51 <jackygrahamez> what's up

08:52 <jackygrahamez> I got an error on my Linux platform

08:52 <jackygrahamez>

08:52 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

08:52 <jackygrahamez> I try to zip but it returns an error...this same task works fine on my windows platfrom

08:52 <jackygrahamez> platform

08:53 <jackygrahamez> even with the file extensions getting no matches

09:07 <jackygrahamez> It does not create this error when I run it stand alone...

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09:28 <PovAdct_w> &ping

09:28 <Romulus> pong

09:28 <jackygrahamez> I hope I solved it

09:29 <jackygrahamez> zip -q -r out . -i *.log *.xtc *.trr *.trj *.gro *.g96 *.pdb *.edr *.trr *.tpr *.tpb *.tpa *.xml *.mdp

09:29 <jackygrahamez> Have to see if this works on Windows as well...

09:31 <jackygrahamez> We are good :-)

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10:16 <CoderForLife> thx for the spork info, hawmps

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11:51 <Fwerp> eww

11:51 <Fwerp> stinky gas

11:51 <Fwerp> eye fotted on ur fayse

11:52 * Fwerp slaps PovAdct_w around a bit with a large trout

12:00 * PovAdct_w slaps Fwerp with our broken server

12:03 *** Fwerp was kicked by hawmps (User terminated!)

12:04 <hawmps> cause I felt like it...

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12:04 <Fwerp> :( y

12:05 <hawmps> bwahahaha

12:05 <Fwerp> ab00se

12:05 * Fwerp slaps hawmps around a bit with a large trout

12:05 <Fwerp> eat trout

12:05 <Fwerp> trout lubber

12:05 <Fwerp> ever seen laptop ram with heatshields?!

12:05 <PovAdct_w> you'll just get kicked again

12:06 <Fwerp> 4 wut

12:06 <Fwerp> :( i'll buy everyone starbucks and a viccodin

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12:42 <Soul_keeper> good work

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13:15 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

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13:15 <jackygrahamez> &more

13:15 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Friday - Cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow in the morning. Highs in the mid 40s. Northeast winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.;

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14:09 <ball> On Linux, how do I point the manager at a running instance of boinc?

14:12 <ball> Ah, ...think I need to find that key again

14:14 <MTughan> ball: How it's done is that the core client opens port 31416 on the local machine, and then the manager just tries to connect to that port.

14:14 <MTughan> However, it can't authenticate automatically with the core client with the default setup on Linux, because it was sort of done poorly.

14:15 <ball> How do I ask boinc for its key?

14:15 <MTughan> Do you know where the BOINC data directory is?

14:15 <ball> I'll look for it now.

14:16 <MTughan> Because the key is stored in a file called gui_rpc_auth.cfg in there.

14:16 <ball> got it

14:17 <MTughan> In the manager, go to Advanced->Select Computer, then enter localhost and that password in there.

14:17 <ball> it appears empty

14:17 <MTughan> The file is enpty?

14:17 <MTughan> empty*

14:17 <ball> yes

14:17 <ball> let me try od on it though

14:17 <MTughan> Try using localhost with no password then.

14:18 <MTughan> Well, if cat doesn't show anything, it's empty. It's just a plain text file.

14:21 <ball> od shows just a carriage return (012)

14:21 <MTughan> Yeah, it's an empty file.

14:21 <MTughan> Try using localhost for the host and no password.

14:21 <ball> I get no error message, but it's not showing me any work units

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14:22 <MTughan> What does it show in the bottom-right corner?

14:22 <ball> "Disconnected"

14:22 <MTughan> Then it didn't connect...

14:23 <MTughan> Is the client running? "ps aux | grep boinc" should tell you.

14:23 <ball> 5299 ?        S     13:19 /usr/bin/boinc --check_all_logins --redirectio --dir /var/lib/boinc-client

14:24 <MTughan> All right. Try shutting BOINC down, then edit the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in /var/lib/boinc-client.

14:25 <MTughan> There should be an init.d script to control it.

14:26 <ball> Thanks.  brb.

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14:26 <MTughan> Great, and I've got to go off to class...

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14:30 <ball> hmm... this isn't working for me.

14:30 <MTughan> Sorry, I've got to head off to class.

14:30 <MTughan> The joys of university. :P

14:30 * ball nods

14:30 <ball> Enjoy :-)

14:30 <ball> Thanks for your help

14:31 <jackygrahamez> is there a way to pick only dual cores using the platforms?

14:32 <jackygrahamez> maybe I should rephrase

14:32 <jackygrahamez> I want to send workunits to multi cores

14:33 <jackygrahamez> Is there a way I can choose this workunit goes to a dual core and that workunit goes to a quad?

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14:40 <yoyo[RKN]> not does I know about

14:40 <yoyo[RKN]> why do you need it?

14:41 <jackygrahamez> I'm trying to figure out how to take advantage of parallel capabilities in GROMACS, I just read the API for multi-thread apps in trac

14:41 <jackygrahamez> There is a line that says get_ncpus(sreq, ncpus, bounded);

14:42 <yoyo[RKN]> parallelizm should be handled by Boinc. You app should only use one cpu

14:42 <jackygrahamez> Maybe I can re-write GROMACS to select the number of cores using that function?

14:42 <yoyo[RKN]> otherwise it clashes with boinc

14:42 <jackygrahamez> I see

14:43 <yoyo[RKN]> I disabled usage of all available cpu's in my ogr app

14:43 <ball> yoyo[RKN]: on a multi-core system, can several boinc instances (or threads) run, one on each core?

14:43 <yoyo[RKN]> only one boinc instance

14:44 <ball> Ah, boinc applications then?

14:44 <yoyo[RKN]> boinc sees e.g. 4 cpus on a quad and starts 4 workunits

14:44 <ball> (are they considered separate?)

14:44 <jackygrahamez> GROMACS is not designed to use additional cpu unless explicitely told in the command line

14:46 <ball> yoyo[RKN]: are boinc applications discrete executable programs?

14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

14:47 <ball> so boinc is one executable that manages potentially several applications

14:47 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

14:48 <jackygrahamez> I'm still a little confused how I can use multi-thread api through boinc

14:48 <ball> I have a gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in my home directory.

14:50 <jackygrahamez> Is this possible running an app through a wrapper?

14:50 <yoyo[RKN]> sure

14:50 <yoyo[RKN]> all my apps are started and controlled by the wrapper

14:51 <yoyo[RKN]> because i have only the binaries

14:51 <yoyo[RKN]> but I modified the wrapper slightly for each app

14:54 <ball> urgh... I can't seem to manage boinc.

14:54 <yoyo[RKN]> win or linux?

14:54 <ball> Linux

14:54 <jackygrahamez> mdrun command line reference is here

14:54 <Romulus> <> (at

14:55 <jackygrahamez> I have to specify the number of nodes and threads per node at command-line

14:55 <yoyo[RKN]> how did you install it, ball

14:55 <ball> It's on Ubuntu Server

14:55 <yoyo[RKN]> 1 node, 1 thread, jackygrahamez

14:55 <jackygrahamez> so if I submit a workunit, I don't want to explicityly tell the workunit how to allocate nodes because I don't know

14:55 <ball> installed it via "sudo apt-get install boinc" (I think)

14:55 <yoyo[RKN]> which boinc version, ball

14:56 <jackygrahamez> I guess nodes referes to extra cpus

14:56 <ball> 6.2.12 i686-pc-linux-gnu

14:57 <jackygrahamez> so is it not possible to use those extra CPUs?

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> th bugy 6.2 boinc version

14:57 <ball> jackygrahamez: it sounds as though you can use them by not using them.

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> what are extra CPU's?

14:58 <jackygrahamez> extra cores

14:58 <jackygrahamez> for parallelization

14:58 <ball> jackygrahamez: did you write it multithreaded so that you could use it across multiple cores?

14:58 <yoyo[RKN]> you can use them, but it clashes with boinc

14:59 <jackygrahamez> its gpl and it comes with that capablity

14:59 <jackygrahamez> that's too bad

14:59 <yoyo[RKN]> boinc sees 4 cpus on a quad

14:59 <ball> jackygrahamez: It sounds as though you take advantage of multiple cores in a boinc context by writing it as a single-threaded, single-core straight line program

15:00 <jackygrahamez> oh so its possible with a quad?

15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> e.g. a quad

15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> boinc sees 4 cpus

15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> it desides to start one gromacs, and 3 yoyo@home wus

15:01 <jackygrahamez> quantity not quality, no offense yoyo :-)

15:01 <ball> I should probably uninstall boinc then.

15:01 <ball> jackygrahamez: it sounds as though you're missing the plot

15:01 <yoyo[RKN]> your gromacs uses 4 cores than and additional 3 yoyos running

15:01 <yoyo[RKN]> you know that my engl. is bad, jackygrahamez ;)

15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> your useres will be not happy with it

15:03 <jackygrahamez> So is that also the case with GPUs? Can we run parallelization through a GPU?

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15:03 <ball> I would be surprised if boinc were geared up for that.

15:03 <yoyo[RKN]> don't know exactly how GPU's are handled by Boinc

15:04 <ball> jackygrahamez: just buy a bucket of Cell processors! :-)

15:04 <jackygrahamez> I'll just wait until there is support for ATI

15:04 <yoyo[RKN]> think Boinc handles GPU separated from CPU

15:05 <ball> yoyo[RKN]: does boinc attempt calculation on GPUs?!

15:05 <yoyo[RKN]> if Boinc (newest versions) detects GPU it sends request to the server to get work for CPU and to get work for GPU

15:05 <yoyo[RKN]> Boinc is only the manager

15:05 <ball> So, some boinc apps are written to run on a CPU that's paired with a GPU?

15:06 <yoyo[RKN]> it sends in this case a request to the project server "give me work for GPU"

15:06 <ball> so some just run on a GPU?

15:06 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

15:06 <ball> I'm impressed.  I had no idea boinc could do that.

15:06 <yoyo[RKN]> but GPU support is in early stages

15:06 <yoyo[RKN]> and not fully automated supported

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15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> theay are just enhancing it

15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> why are you asking ball?

15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

15:07 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:44 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:48 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.; Chance of Rain. High:51 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.;

15:08 <ball> yoyo[RKN]: I'm interested in learning more about boinc and its capabilities.

15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> for what reason?

15:08 <ball> (though, perhaps not for the box I'm running now :-/ )

15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> I do not know how boinc is configured and used in your Ubuntu package

15:09 <yoyo[RKN]> but it has command line options to allow remote access by the boinc_manager

15:09 <ball> yoyo[RKN]: I'm also running boinc on some other, non-Ubuntu boxen.

15:10 <yoyo[RKN]> anyway boinc is only the middle ware and the manager which allows for the user an easy attach to all projects

15:11 <yoyo[RKN]> and an common view of the project pages, stats and community features

15:11 <ball> It sounds as though boinc is the glue, and the oil at the same time.

15:12 <Fwerp> uh huh

15:12 <ball> sticking together distributed apps and distributing them.

15:12 <yoyo[RKN]> the scientific application is not part of boinc, it is developed by the projects and included in that middle ware

15:13 <yoyo[RKN]> if you can split your scintific problem in just an application which solves one small part and you want to do this millions of times, than you can distribute the stuff with boinc

15:14 <Fwerp> or a really really really accuate and delayed golf simulator even

15:14 <yoyo[RKN]> there are currently round about 60 projects which are doing this

15:14 <Fwerp> accurate

15:14 <ball> Fwerp: It would take more than that to improve my game! ;-)

15:14 <Fwerp> lol

15:15 <Fwerp> i want to design a plasma engine with boinc

15:15 <Fwerp> ....but i have no moneys to pay an engineer

15:15 * yoyo[RKN] designs it already

15:16 * Fwerp slaps yoyo[RKN] around a bit with a large trout

15:16 <Fwerp> nooo

15:16 <ball> What kind of calculations are required for a plasma engine?

15:16 <Fwerp> all kinds

15:16 <Fwerp> theres alot of heat  involved

15:16 <Fwerp> :D

15:17 <yoyo[RKN]> ok, ok, it is a muon particle factory

15:17 <Fwerp> need to make it small too

15:17 <Fwerp> g/f done at dmv

15:17 <Fwerp> time to reset dudes router b4 we drive off

15:17 <Fwerp> bbl

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15:17 * ball leans more towards ion engines.

15:18 <ball> okay, I've uninstalled boinc from the Linux machine

15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> you should install from

15:19 <Romulus> Title: BOINC: compute for science (at

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15:22 <jackygrahamez> here is a new one, I'm embarased they put Hydrogen before LHC

15:22 <Romulus> <> (at

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15:24 <Fwerp> hehehe

15:25 <Fwerp> now were  at a gas station

15:25 <Fwerp> BUY ME A COKE WOMAN

15:25 <Fwerp> she wont let me spend our  amsterdam moneys  on a new gaming tower

15:25 <Fwerp> :(

15:25 <Fwerp> i dont even game... four 9800gt's running seti

15:25 <Fwerp> lolol

15:26 <Fwerp> they are so freaking cheap now

15:34 <ball> Fwerp: Are those graphics boards?

15:36 <Soul_keeper>

15:36 <Romulus> Title: FASTRA (at

15:37 <Soul_keeper> you all wish you had the fastra

15:50 <ball> What's a fastra?

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15:54 <zombie67> MT?

15:54 <Romulus> I guess MT is right, zombie67

15:59 <ball> Cheesecake?

15:59 <yoyo[RKN]> moin Zombie

16:00 <yoyo[RKN]> and zombie67

16:02 <ball> I just had to kill boinc

16:02 <ball> my iBook began to overheat

16:04 <ball> Ah that's better, it's cooled down enough for the fan to switch off.

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16:06 <ball> Is there a special version of boinc for GPU applications?

16:06 <xcamel> re-hi

16:07 <ball> hello xcamel

16:13 <ball> I have to go

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16:48 <MTughan> zombie67: Just came back from class. What's up?

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16:59 <CoderForLife> hello

16:59 <CoderForLife> home again

16:59 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

16:59 <CoderForLife> hey MTughan

17:01 <zombie67> hi yoyo!

17:02 <zombie67> MT?

17:02 <Romulus> Somebody said MT is right, zombie67

17:02 <MTughan> zombie67: You flashed?

17:02 <zombie67> yep.  did NQ admin contact you yet?

17:02 <MTughan> Another quick question? :P

17:02 <MTughan> Nope, not yet.

17:02 <zombie67> how was that for "quick"?

17:04 <MTughan> Was just making sure it didn't get marked as junk... (It didn't)

17:04 <MTughan> So no, it doesn't look like he'

17:04 <MTughan> ..'s contacted me yet.

17:04 <zombie67> k

17:05 <zombie67> even though the apps page lists only the win and lin 5.4 apps, it is still sending out 5.3 app/work to my macs

17:05 <zombie67> *shrug*

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17:05 <zombie67> man, rarely any work available on MW

17:06 <CoderForLife> biab  dinner

17:06 <yoyo[RKN]> is in your teams also a discussion about MW credits

17:06 <zombie67> oh yeah?  I'll go look.

17:06 <zombie67> and get some lunch

17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> lunch so late?

17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> 10pm here ;)

17:07 <MTughan> It's just past 2PM there.

17:07 <MTughan> :P

17:11 <Soul_keeper>   any of you tryed this project ?

17:11 <Romulus> <> (at

17:12 <zombie67> yep.  i have 250k there

17:13 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs random

17:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: <efc> You roll the trees down a bumpy hill and this creates a "log-o-rhythm"

17:14 <Soul_keeper> cool

17:22 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yes, I've compiled their Mac applications.

17:22 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs random

17:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: <Soul_keeper> i'm the best xmas present a girl could get ...

17:22 <MTughan> lol

17:22 <Soul_keeper> :)

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17:23 <Soul_keeper> it says they are currently down when i try to attach to them

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17:23 <Soul_keeper> there we go wrong http

17:25 <Soul_keeper> lol 4min estimated WU times

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17:33 <Soul_keeper> will take atleast 20x that long

17:34 <yoyo_RKN> rehi

17:35 <MTughan> Wow... Just blew out my laptops. Big clouds of dust.

17:37 <CoderForLife> that's the remains of completed WUs

17:38 <PovAddict> lol

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17:40 <Fwerp> xanax wont be enough today

17:43 <Soul_keeper> where's all your big credits fwerp ?

17:43 <Soul_keeper> MTughan is making you look bad

17:44 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:44 <MTughan> I'm making you look bad too SK.

17:44 <Soul_keeper> hi

17:45 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, that's ok i'm used to looking bad

17:45 <MTughan> :)

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17:47 <Fwerp> why u gotta h8 Soul_keeper

17:47 <Fwerp> now im depressed more

17:47 * Fwerp eats MORE xanax

17:48 * CoderForLife celebrates

17:48 <Fwerp> spend my whole working day trying to get a stupid multiplexer t not hate me

17:48 <PovAddict> &google xanax

17:48 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.17 seconds: XANAX XR® Official Site— XANAX XR (alprazolam extended-release tablets): <>; Alprazolam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Xanax Information from <>; Xanax (Alprazolam) Drug Information: Uses, Side Effects, Drug ...: < (2 more messages)

17:48 * CoderForLife does cartwheels

17:48 <PovAddict> o.o

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17:49 <Fwerp> bastard

17:49 * CoderForLife looks at Fwerp

17:49 <Soul_keeper> i bet the nick Xanax is already taken

17:49 <Fwerp> fucking multiplexer @ an arena

17:49 <wdsmia> asks Fwerp to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

17:50 <Fwerp> so everytime i hafta reset it i gotta walk 400 miles

17:50 <Fwerp> ohhh language srry

17:50 * CoderForLife looks at Fwerp

17:50 <MTughan> You learn to censor it after as while, as f***er or something.

17:50 <CoderForLife> family-friendly only please

17:50 <Fwerp> yeye... brought home the trucker lingo

17:50 <PovAddict> that's the problem with automatic censoring

17:50 <MTughan> CoderForLife: BOINC isn't family friendly.

17:51 <PovAddict> people will just change their text to get around the censor system

17:51 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:51 <CoderForLife> but we try to maintain a little decorum on #boinc

17:51 <PovAddict> why is f*** less offensive than the full four-letter word, if you know what the asterisks mean?

17:51 <CoderForLife> hello Doug

17:51 <MTughan> It isn't. :)

17:52 <CoderForLife> I just paid off one of the 4 lines of credit on the retaining wall =)

17:52 <CoderForLife> w0000000t

17:52 <wdsmia> we could get rid of the auto censoring and go back to kicking you ;)

17:52 <MTughan> lol

17:53 <CoderForLife> I just paid off one of the 4 lines of credit on the retaining wall =)

17:53 <XioNYC> I know why.  It's the same reason that May West got into trouble: innuendo is always more reactive than actual [vulgarity|obscenity|indecency|profanity].

17:53 * CoderForLife celebrates

17:53 <Fwerp> wall?

17:53 <Romulus> wall is built in September with the new patio on top, fence added in October, landscaping finished in November, Fwerp

17:53 <CoderForLife> lol - zackly

17:53 <Fwerp> oho

17:53 <CoderForLife> $78,000

17:53 <Fwerp> im still lookin to buy

17:54 * CoderForLife celebrates

17:54 * CoderForLife does cartwheels

17:54 * Fwerp celebrates for CoderForLife

17:54 <CoderForLife> thanks Fwerp!

17:54 * wdsmia reminds CoderForLife he still has 3 to go

17:54 <Fwerp> grow room?

17:55 <Fwerp> for the tomato's...

17:55 <CoderForLife> retaining wall to keep the house from falling down the hill in the landslide

17:55 * Soul_keeper asks CoderForLife to please watch his or her Celebrating Thanks, your friendly channel op.

17:55 <Fwerp> holy crap

17:55 <Soul_keeper> :)

17:55 <MTughan> Soul_keeper's not a chanop...

17:55 <CoderForLife> oh, this must be a *sad* place

17:56 <MTughan> CoderForLife is. :)

17:56 <wdsmia> inpersonating an op? hmmmm

17:56 <CoderForLife> sorry to spread sunshine on your damp parade

17:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm delushional i can be whatever i want

17:56 <Fwerp> 17:43] <Soul_keeper> where's all your big credits fwerp ?

17:56 <Fwerp> omg i got 12k today

17:56 <PovAddict> oh Soul_keeper appeared again on my ignore list

17:56 <PovAddict> stupid crashes

17:56 <Fwerp> up to 12k...didnt get

17:57 <Soul_keeper> good deal

17:57 <CoderForLife> yes wdsmia - but now I get to double-down payments on the next one

17:57 <Fwerp> Pending credit: 5,989.30

17:57 <Fwerp> :D

17:57 <CoderForLife> I got my first Obama-based paycheck today

17:58 <MTughan> Fwerp: I got 60K yesterday. :)

17:58 <wdsmia>

17:58 <Romulus> <> (at

17:58 <Fwerp> MTughan: i dont have wicked stuff like j00 :(

17:58 <Fwerp> h8er

17:58 <Fwerp> for a shmo i got some stats

17:59 <MTughan> I don't have wicked stuff. I have a desktop and two laptops.

17:59 <Fwerp> lemme see

18:00 <MTughan> Well, three laptops, but the third is doing barely anything right now.

18:00 <Fwerp> i ran the balls off  of 13 machines and hardly got n-e wheres

18:00 <Fwerp> 12 or 13

18:00 <Fwerp> i got like 5 up today

18:00 <MTughan>

18:00 <Romulus> <> (at

18:00 <MTughan> Most of those are duplicates. Look for the machines that got credit yesterday.

18:01 <Fwerp> the q66 how long are it jobs?

18:02 <MTughan> I'm not doing any SETI@Home.

18:02 <Fwerp> hum

18:02 <Fwerp> so whats givin u 60k a day on it?

18:02 <Soul_keeper> seti cuda gives about half the credit that gpugrid cuda  gives

18:02 <MTughan> I'm running Milkyway@Home on my Sapphire Radeon HD4870.

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18:03 <MTughan> Along with WCG on the four CPU cores.

18:03 <Fwerp> ohhhhh a 4870

18:03 <Fwerp> i just install bounc, add my account and walk away

18:03 <Fwerp> boinc*

18:03 <Soul_keeper> from the talk on the einstein forums you'd think a cuda app could come out any day/week now :)

18:03 <Fwerp> i still forgot to un-sli my 9600's too

18:04 <Fwerp> might go back down later and turn it off

18:04 <Fwerp> Soul_keeper: friend of mine speaks of a cuda/apache system that converts flowcharts into software...

18:05 <Soul_keeper> ok

18:08 <Soul_keeper> hmmm why are gts 250's  100 dollars cheaper on than newegg ?

18:08 <Soul_keeper> possible type on their end maybe ...

18:08 <Soul_keeper> typo

18:09 <Soul_keeper> nm my mind was broken ...

18:09 <Fwerp>

18:09 <Romulus> <> (at

18:10 <Fwerp> average price

18:10 <MTughan> Fwerp: You know it's just a rebranded GeForce 9800GTX+, right?

18:12 <Fwerp> some reviews for these 200 series cards are ow

18:12 <Fwerp> like a downgrade from the 8k series

18:13 <Soul_keeper>   that noise video thing bout gave me a heart attack

18:13 <Romulus> <> (at

18:13 <Fwerp> a review for a 260 dude is bitchin cause crysis is slower than on his 8800gt

18:13 <Fwerp> xfx tuff  is goood

18:16 <PovAddict> why is rosetta app called "minirosetta"? eats like 200MB of RAM

18:16 <PovAddict> so much for "mini"

18:16 <MTughan> You know XFX makes ATI cards now? :D

18:17 <PovAddict> ATI doesn't make cards either?

18:17 <MTughan> They haven't for a couple years.

18:17 <MTughan> The only cards I've found manufactured by them are their FireGL series.

18:18 <Fwerp> firegl $$

18:18 <MTughan> Yep.

18:18 <Fwerp> 4870$$

18:19 <Fwerp> ...

18:19 <MTughan> Comparable to Nvidia's Tesla series I believe.

18:19 <Fwerp> never got to try the one passin through my shop

18:19 <PovAddict> who makes nvidia cards?

18:19 <MTughan> They're not that expensive. I think you can get a 4870 for about $180US.

18:19 <Fwerp> fireGL is nice... if u r a po designer

18:19 <Fwerp> 4870 were like a million billion last i looked

18:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: Asus, EVGA, XFX, Zotac, couple others.

18:20 <PovAddict> do those names actually appear on the box? :)

18:20 <MTughan> Fwerp: Mine just cost $330 CDN, and that was for 1GB of RAM and an aftermarket cooler, back in late December.

18:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yes.

18:20 <Soul_keeper> the zotac cards look cheap,  atleast with the gts 250 models both the 512 and 1gb ones are substantially larger than the other manufacturers

18:21 <Soul_keeper> ontop of that they cost more ...

18:21 <Fwerp> ooo 169!

18:21 <Fwerp> orrr

18:21 <Romulus> <> (at

18:21 <Fwerp> worth it

18:22 <MTughan> Yeah, they're not too expensive.

18:22 <MTughan> ATI wants to move their 4850 cards to $130US IIRC.

18:22 <Fwerp>

18:22 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:23 <Fwerp> i need to make a trip back and turn that sli off

18:23 <Fwerp> them 9600's should be pwning for me

18:23 <Soul_keeper> my 3870 is made my HIS  i really liked their heatsink setup

18:23 <MTughan> Is that the IceQ series cooler?

18:24 <Fwerp> 80mm screwed ti heatsink

18:24 <Fwerp> back tape

18:24 <Fwerp> black*

18:24 <Fwerp> popsicle stick n some clear tape

18:24 <Fwerp> that'll keep the x1600 ati runnin

18:26 <Soul_keeper> yeah MTughan

18:27 <Soul_keeper> nice blue matched up perfect with my blue abit motherboard at the time,  was the only blue 3870 they had then

18:31 <Soul_keeper>    lol only 3 stores got the model i'm eyeballing and they want 400 bucks for it

18:31 <Romulus> <> (at

18:32 <Soul_keeper> that must be canada dollars or something

18:34 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: is Australia.

18:34 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

18:35 <MTughan> &math convert 400 AUD to USD

18:35 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: AUD is not a valid unit.

18:35 <MTughan> &math convert 400 AUS to USD

18:35 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: AUS is not a valid unit.

18:36 <CoderForLife> I'm going to take my party elsewhere

18:36 <CoderForLife> gn

18:36 <wdsmia> cya Don

18:36 <Soul_keeper> AUDUSD 0.6521

18:36 <MTughan> Yeah, 400 AUD is 261USD.

18:36 <MTughan> Not sure what symbol Rommie uses.

18:37 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 400AUD to USD

18:37 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: 400AUD is not a valid unit.

18:37 <Soul_keeper> ok

18:37 <MTughan> Wait a minute...

18:37 <MTughan> &currency convert 400 AUD to USD

18:38 <Romulus> MTughan: 400.00 aud = 262.04 usd

18:38 <Soul_keeper> nice

18:38 <MTughan> Currency, not math plugin. :)

18:38 <Soul_keeper> did you RTFM ?

18:38 <MTughan> You made the same mistake.

18:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah but i'm to lazy to RTFM, specially when i wrote a bot to do this already :)

18:42 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, did you compile the cvs for AIS ?

18:42 <Soul_keeper> or just the tarballs

18:43 <MTughan> Would've been a tarred source.

18:43 <Soul_keeper> ok

18:43 <Soul_keeper> when was the last time you ran a WU on it ?

18:46 <Soul_keeper> looks like about 3hrs a WU on my c2q

18:47 <Soul_keeper> bbl

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19:13 <J-_> Why am I getting computation errors?

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19:49 <Soul_keeper> explain to me why i want a Phenom II X4 945 now ...

20:00 <xcamel> back again

20:16 <xcamel> the same reason I want an I7/965 with a tesla 1070 sidecar

20:17 <PovAddict> "I didn't give that homeless guy any money, because he'd just spend it on drugs and alcohol. Then I thought, wait a minute, that's what *I* was going to spend it on."

20:21 <MTughan> Cool... I just took the screen off my laptop. :)

20:23 * xcamel notes leftover parts alert

20:24 <MTughan> Nope, they all went back in place.

20:24 <MTughan>

20:24 <Romulus> <> (at

20:24 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm off for a bit...

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21:06 <zombie67> did someone here recommend a plastic owl, to take care of my pigeon problem?

21:07 <zombie67> I don't recall who

21:07 <zombie67> in any case, it worked!!

21:07 <PovAddict> I think xcamel

21:11 <PovAddict> [wed jan 21 2009] [23:48:34] <zombie67> think a motionless owl will really work?

21:11 <PovAddict> [wed jan 21 2009] [23:48:58] <xcamel>

21:11 <Romulus> <> (at

21:13 <zombie67> heh.  thanks

21:15 <zombie67> whats up with RALPH?  can't upload all day

21:16 <PovAddict> I think I don't even have an account there

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21:56 <Soul_keeper> geeze i just lost interest for compiling optimized ais apps ...  what a dep nightmare.

21:56 <PovAddict_> pinging Google:

21:56 <PovAddict_> 160 packets transmitted, 74 received, 53% packet loss

21:56 <PovAddict_> min/avg/max = 168.541/832.144/2632.053 (milliseconds)

21:57 <Soul_keeper> just not worth the hours of my time

21:58 <Soul_keeper> who puts 14 instances of -lm in their makefile anyways ...

21:58 <Soul_keeper> buggy

21:58 <Soul_keeper> both their libs and apps breaks with a make -j   and make clean don't do it's job

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22:01 <PovAddict> down to 20% packet loss

22:03 <Soul_keeper> packet loss sucks

22:09 <Soul_keeper> seems like AIS is a constantly changing project, kinda constant alpha/beta software

22:09 <Soul_keeper> adding/removing modules as they go

22:13 <Soul_keeper> crunch3r asked the main guy if he minded him porting it to cuda, but it could be work waisted since things will change around in another month or two

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23:33 <zombie67> rcn finally upgraded their server.  It now knows 64 bit osx

23:44 <zombie67> hah!!!

23:44 <Romulus> <> (at

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