IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-03-13

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00:30 <zombie67> wow.  quiet tonight

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04:09 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 29.3F / -1.5C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 30. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Saturday - Partly sunny with a slight chance of rain showers in the (1 more message)

04:10 <CoderForLife> &more

04:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 50s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.;

04:13 <XioNYC> I *so* can't wait for these Lattice WUs to finish... it's been five days already and I can't do any updates until they're done >_<

04:15 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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04:24 <XioNYC> &ping

04:24 <Romulus> pong

04:24 <XioNYC> Thanks.

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06:30 <hawmps> 'lo

06:56 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:56 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 26.1F / -3.3C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.41in / 1029.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Warmer. High in the lower 40s. Southwest wind near 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the mid 20s. South wind around 5 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. High in the lower 50s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.;

07:39 <hawmps> 14F here

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09:14 <ball> I have boinc installed on a Windows machine and it seems to keep restarting the same work unit

09:15 <ball> By now it should have returned some results, but I just saw it jump from 14% to 0%

09:15 <ball> (World Community Grid application)

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09:17 <ball> hello jackygrahamez

09:18 <jackygrahamez> hi ball

09:19 <jackygrahamez> one of my volunteers got a floating point exception

09:19 <ball> That's a shame.

09:19 <jackygrahamez> I was trying to build gromacs statically

09:20 <ball> Why statically?

09:20 <jackygrahamez> I decided to also enable double precision

09:20 <jackygrahamez> when you compile an include all the libraries in the build

09:21 <jackygrahamez> instead of having them referenced

09:21 <jackygrahamez> some people have different libraries on their machines so in the interest in making application universally compatible, building static is the way to go

09:22 <jackygrahamez> drawback is this makes the applications larger

09:22 * ball nods

09:22 <ball> can't you make your application check which versions of the libraries are installed?

09:22 <jackygrahamez> that's tricky

09:23 <ball> wouldn't using the incumbent libraries improve the chances of using one that's optimised for their system?

09:24 <jackygrahamez> BOINC uses platforms to seperate opperating systems, it does not have a way to classify what libraries people have

09:24 <ball> (e.g. 64-bit, support for special hardware etc.)

09:24 <jackygrahamez> os and hardware

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09:25 <ball> hello Aruzo

09:25 <ball> jackygrahamez: right, but I'm talking about libraries.

09:25 <jackygrahamez> one person may have 64-bit fedora, another 64-bit ubuntu, centos, redhat, slackware, debian etc etc

09:26 * ball nods

09:26 <ball> I suppose that's one of the drawbacks of Linux, it's a bit random.

09:26 <ball> What are you using to compile your application?  gcc?

09:26 <jackygrahamez> so I'm having a problem with the floating points right now...looking for help on it

09:27 <jackygrahamez> scientific applications, I'm using gcc

09:27 <Aruzo> ball, ello

09:27 <jackygrahamez> i follow a configure script

09:28 <jackygrahamez> I'm not a good programmer, I'm pretty much just integrating existing science apps

09:30 <ball> See, I'm thinking that if a person has special accelerator hardware (GPUs, coprocessors or whatever), that you might need to use the incumbent libraries to take advantage of that.

09:30 <jackygrahamez> GPUs is a challenge for me, I don't even have hardware to test with

09:31 <ball> I heard talk yesterday that boinc can treat them as discrete processors, with no CPU to babysit them.  I haven't tested that though.

09:33 <ball> If so, that's very cool.  If not, I'd expect them to be handled via a special library.

09:34 <ball> Gah!  SeaMonkey just blew up.

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09:56 <ball> hello ELGono

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11:22 <ball> hello Sonar_Guy

11:22 <Sonar_Guy> Hola ball

11:23 <ball> Anyone happen to know what kind of GPU boinc is able to use?

11:24 <MTughan> Right now, and CUDA capable Nvidia GPU.

11:24 <MTughan> any*

11:24 * ball writes that down

11:24 <MTughan> List of them here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_learn_products.html

11:24 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2psf5g> (at www.nvidia.com)

11:26 <ball> Thanks, that's really helpful!

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11:42 <ball> hello Aeternus

11:42 <Aeternus> hello :-)

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11:50 <Rookie_w> Hope the boss doesn't look over my shoulder.

11:50 <MTughan> lol

11:53 <Rookie_w> Oh well... back to drudging. L8er.

11:53 <MTughan> Bye.

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12:04 <ball> That was short.

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12:09 <ball> For boinc purposes is GeForce, Tesla or Quadro preferred, or does it make more sense to copmare on a chip-by-chip basis?

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12:26 <ball> If a graphics card is listed on that CUDA site and has >= 256M RAM, is it safe to assume boinc can make use of it?

12:26 <MTughan> "If your GPU is listed [on Nvidia's site] and has at least 256MB of RAM, it's compatible."

12:27 <MTughan> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/cuda.php

12:27 <Romulus> Title: Run SETI@home on your NVIDIA GPU (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

12:27 <MTughan> However, if you're going to run CUDA for BOINC, I'd recommend running GPUGRID instead of SETI@Home.

12:27 <MTughan> From what I've read, their app is more optimized, and they give better credits.

12:28 <MTughan> http://www.gpugrid.net/

12:28 <Romulus> Title: GPUGRID (at www.gpugrid.net)

12:28 <ball> Thanks

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12:34 <ball> I have to be using nVidia's binary driver, right?

12:34 <MTughan> Yes.

12:34 <ball> Hmm... okay.

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12:40 <ball> Okay, I just set up a Team at GPUGRID for my college, so I suppose I'd best build a machine that can run this stuff!

12:40 <MTughan> :P

12:41 <ball> Looks like I'll need something with a PCIe x16 slot

12:41 <MTughan> The reason I was "I've read that" is because I don't have a computer capable of running CUDA apps, at least not yet.

12:41 <MTughan> The only computer I have that has a Nvidia graphics card is a MacBook, so it's running OS X. Which is unsupported right now.

12:42 <ball> I quite fancy an aluminium G4 powerbook, but I hate to think how much that would cost me.

12:42 <ball> ...perhaps even more than the MacBook

12:42 <MTughan> That's quite an old machine at this point too...

12:42 * ball nods

12:42 <MTughan> You like the PowerPC architecture?

12:42 <ball> I think they have Firewire though, unlike the MacBook

12:42 <Sonar_Guy> MTughan: mine will run it just need to load the nvidia binary drivers

12:43 <Sonar_Guy> currently using some packaged drivers

12:43 <MTughan> Yeah, the latest ones don't have Firewire...

12:43 <ball> Anyone here happen to know something about Quadro or Tesla cards?

12:43 <ball> I see some Quadro cards for AGP

12:43 <MTughan> So while what Jobs said may be true (all the latest video cameras use USB 2), that doesn't help us with older cameras that use Firewire.

12:44 <MTughan> At least my desktop has a full complement of FW ports.

12:44 <MTughan> And no, I don't.

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12:48 <ball> Is it best to use GeForce cards with nForce mainboards?

12:48 <MTughan> I don't think it matters if you use a Nvidia, Intel, or even an AMD chipset.

12:49 <ball> Ah, okay.

12:50 <ball> oooh... Tesla cards give me a GPU without the video output! :-)

12:51 <MTughan> Won't work with the current implementation of CUDA then I think.

12:51 <MTughan> I believe CUDA requires at least a Windows desktop to run.

12:52 <ball> Ah.  Can't buy that anyway (looking at the price)

12:52 <ball> wait, I can't do this on Linux?

12:53 <MTughan> You should be able to.

12:53 <MTughan> Linux is supported, but OS X isn't.

12:55 <ball> Oh, okay.  I was confused by what you said about a Windows desktop.

12:57 <MTughan> Sorry. Needs a desktop on it. For Linux, anything but a command line should suffice.

12:57 <MTughan> KDE, GNOME, Xfce, and any others.

12:58 <ball> Ah okay.  That wouldn't matter anyway though, since on unix and Linux it's possible to run VNCserver, so if I were rich enough to fill a box with Tessla cards and somehow it had no graphics hardware, that should be a non-issue.

12:58 <ball> vncserver or just plain old X

12:59 <MTughan> Sounds right.

13:14 <ball> I'm unreasonably energised at the thought of building something like this :-)

13:14 <MTughan> I'm dusting out my desktop. :P

13:15 <ball> I have some machines awaiting that treatment

13:18 <MTughan> This machine has needed it for a while.

13:18 <MTughan> Not that I don't dust it regularly, I do.

13:18 <MTughan> Just that this university room is dustier than most.

13:20 <ball> MTughan: Ottawa?

13:20 <MTughan> Did a geolocation on my IP addy?

13:21 <ball> No, didn't need to.

13:21 <MTughan> ?

13:21 <ball> Okay, we need to write a boinc/gpugrid application to predict winning Timmie's cups

13:21 <MTughan> How did you figure I'm in Ottawa?

13:22 <MTughan> Also, I don't drink coffee, Tim's or otherwise.

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13:22 <MTughan> Ah yeah, the desktop has a reverse DNS address... Mac doesn't for some reason.

13:25 <MTughan> There goes my first bottle of compressed air... Luckily I bought a second.

13:26 <ball> Sadly mine runs on CO2

13:26 <ball> ...should probably upgrade.

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13:27 <ball> Hello [B^S]rene_mayer

13:27 <MTughan> Apparently mine contains difluroethane, CAS# 75-37-6.

13:31 <ball> oooh.

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13:34 <ball> Hmm... struggling to find an appropriate mainboard.

13:45 <ball> Ah, found a couple.

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13:50 <ball> Hello PovAdct_w

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13:50 <ball> Okay, this is me off to vacuum the car out.

13:50 <ball> Bye!

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13:50 <MTughan> Bye.

13:51 <MTughan> Man, Pov didn't stick around for long...

13:54 * FreeLarry remembers using trifloroethane as hand cleaner in print shop - as well as to clean various electrical componets in service

13:55 * FreeLarry remembers using trifloroethane as hand cleaner and parts cleaner in service

13:55 <FreeLarry> dang guess i should make sure i'm at bottom of screen before typing - PovAddict is at w/*-

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13:56 <FreeLarry> or getting ready to head home

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13:57 * FreeLarry is happy - finally completed a gpugrid wu and got credit

13:57 <FreeLarry> discovered only 2 / 16 for processor power on vid card tho so wont try that again

13:58 <FreeLarry> definitly not fast enough

13:58 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

13:58 <FreeLarry> moin yoyo[RKN]

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14:05 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

14:05 <wdsmia_w> *lo MT

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14:22 <MTughan> Well, I figured out why my CD drives weren't working... Seems after I did a rewire of my computer, I plugged the IDE cable upside-down into the MB. :/

14:25 <wdsmia_w> lol that would do it

14:26 <MTughan> Anyway, quick look at the manual fixed it up, and they're showing again.

14:27 <wdsmia_w> just turn the cd's over then it should work :P

14:27 <MTughan> Heh.

14:27 <MTughan> That wouldn't work if I had a Lightscribe drive. :P

14:28 <wdsmia_w> isnt that called lableing your data?

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15:25 <efc> Anyone else get a lot of spam from the "honor role marketing group" ?

15:29 <Tank_Master> not in my hotmail

15:29 <Tank_Master> I just get online grgrees and body part enhancments

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15:35 <Fwerp> for too, he blow his brains in

15:36 <efc> Enhancements? My credit card is ready!

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15:36 <fwerp2> buh

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15:36 <Fwerp> unstable ...

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15:51 <Fwerp> MTughan

15:52 <Fwerp> turned sli off on the 9600 machine.. nice improvement

15:54 <Tank_Master> duh

15:54 <Tank_Master> should be about 2x improuvement

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16:03 <MTughan_> &ping

16:03 <Romulus> pong

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16:03 <MTughan_> That was f***ing annoying...

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16:04 <efc> Turned SLI off?

16:04 <MTughan_> Me? No. I don't own a desktop Nvidia card.

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16:05 <MTughan> Networking issues. Cables getting caught everywhere, and then once I get everything up, I hit my head on the bottom of my desk really hard, and it won't get a DHCP address.

16:05 <MTughan> But everything's where it should be now.

16:05 <MTughan> So I'm just nursing my head and ego now.

16:08 <MTughan> http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/when_reality_meets_product_concepts/

16:08 <Tank_Master> MT!

16:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c5z3ko> (at bergie.iki.fi)

16:08 <MTughan> 'lo TM

16:09 <Tank_Master> that is just so wrong...

16:09 <MTughan> lol

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16:16 <ball> I just had another go at loading boinc on Ubuntu Server.  The manager fires up in idiot mode (non-Advanced view) and says "Error, Retrieving current status"

16:17 <ball> Is there a config file somewhere that I can delete to make it imagine this is the first time I've run it (to restore it to its default behaviour)?

16:22 <Tank_Master> PovAddict

16:29 <xcamel> re-hi

16:30 <Tank_Master> re-wb

16:30 <Tank_Master> http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=578

16:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dklr89> (at www.anandtech.com)

16:30 <ball> hello xcamel, Tank_Master

16:30 <Tank_Master> i7 laptop with triple channle DDR3 SIDIMM, dual prapgics, 3 HDs....

16:34 <jasong> Linux boinc is a nightmare,  I think it's behavior is connected with the usage of a random number generator :/

16:34 <jasong> jk

16:36 <ball> What's odd is that it appears to work on a Xubuntu machine, but not on Ubuntu Server for some reason.

16:36 <ball> I'm not sure what's missing.

16:37 <ball> Oh dear, now Apple Update wants to reboot this iBook

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16:40 <ball> Back shortly

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17:15 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:17 <ball> hello wdsmia

17:23 <efc> Moo

17:26 <ball> yes, quite.

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17:39 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:39 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 45.8F / 7.7C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the mid 20s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. High in the lower 50s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.;

17:44 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:45 <wdsmia> *lo Jay TGIF

17:45 <ball> 1;2c&wx 99723

17:45 <ball> &wx 99723

17:45 <Romulus> ball: Temperature: -21F / -29.4C | Humidity: -999% | Pressure: in / hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog and flurries in the afternoon. Highs 15 to 20 below zero. East winds 15 to 25 mph. Wind chill to 50 below.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog. Lows 20 to 25 below zero. East winds 15 to 20 mph diminishing in (1 more message)

17:45 <ball> Chilly up there.

17:46 <wdsmia> &zipinfo 99723

17:46 <Romulus> wdsmia: City: Barrow; State: AK; County: North Slope; Area Code: 907; Time Zone: PST-1; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 71.2947 (North); Longitude: 156.7784 (West)

17:47 <xcamel> tgif indeed..

17:47 <ball> -29C is officially too cold.

17:48 <Tank_Master> bah

17:48 <Tank_Master> that a nice temp to run the comp outside

17:49 <Tank_Master> think of the o/c you can reach on air copoling

17:49 * ball grins

17:49 <ball> Nice spot for a datacentre then :-)

17:49 <PovAddict> w$%& = hell

17:49 <Tank_Master> howdy pov

17:50 <ball> If I lived up there, I could actually try the Athlon 64 that's been sitting on my shelf for a year.

17:50 <Tank_Master> :)

17:51 * ball sighs

17:51 <ball> ...and now it's Socke 939 and I can't find a mainboard for it.

17:55 <Tank_Master> haha

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17:56 <ball> Got a Socket A chip here somewhere too.

17:56 <ball> brb.

18:01 <ball> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Athlon%2064%203000+%20-%20ADA3000DIK4BI%20(ADA3000BIBOX).html

18:01 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c45zml> (at www.cpu-world.com)

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18:01 <ball> Thanks Romulus ;-)

18:07 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

18:07 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 10:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:46 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:51 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F.; Chance of Rain. High:51 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.;

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18:13 <Fwerp> TRY THE AMBROSIA

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18:21 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 46.7F / 8.2C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear until early morning...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. East winds around 5 mph.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 40s. East (1 more message)

18:21 <CoderForLife> &more

18:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers. Lows in the mid 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

18:21 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:22 <CoderForLife> hello Doug =)

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18:23 <CoderForLife> looks like decorum is being maintained

18:24 <CoderForLife> by lack of traffic

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18:25 <Tank_Master> :)

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18:36 <PovAddict> work sucked today (and yesterday)

18:36 <PovAddict> domain controller doesn't boot, corrupted registry

18:37 <CoderForLife> un-good

18:38 <CoderForLife> do you replicate to another controller

18:39 <CoderForLife> just having just one domain controller is begging for trouble

18:39 <PovAddict> single server, no backups in appropriate format either

18:39 <CoderForLife> ubscrewed

18:39 <PovAddict> as far as we know, only the registry is corrupted, all other files are fine, including the AD database

18:40 <PovAddict> which is pretty irrelevant, because the only way to backup and restore seems to be to use the backup utility... from a *working* system

18:40 <CoderForLife> does the system boot?

18:41 <PovAddict> the system doesn't boot, we failed (er, gave up) at recovering the registry

18:41 <CoderForLife> that sounds pretty bad

18:42 <CoderForLife> any similar hardware/systems?

18:42 <PovAddict> so we copied the whole C: partition somewhere else (at a low-enough level, using dd from Linux liveCD), formatted C: and reinstalled OS

18:42 <PovAddict> it shouldn't be so hard to take the active-directory-related files from the backup partition (the non-booting system partition) and put them into the just-installed OS

18:42 <PovAddict> but it is

18:44 <PovAddict> I did an experiment of such manual file copying (with an AD tree with two users and one computer) on a virtual machine, and it seemed to work

18:45 <PovAddict> but doing it on the real server with the real AD tree made it fail to boot (lsass.exe said "network password incorrect", wtf?)

18:45 <PovAddict> of course that boot failure is easy to fix (put the "empty" DB files, from before the manual file copy, back into place)

18:45 <CoderForLife> I'm sorry - you used the phrases "shouldn't be hard" and "Active Directory" in the same context - I'm not understanding

18:45 <PovAddict> our other option is putting all files/groups/computers/etc back into the AD by hand

18:45 <PovAddict> it's not too many

18:46 <PovAddict> problem is SIDs will be different

18:46 <PovAddict> I thought that would make a mess with file permissions

18:46 <CoderForLife> I'd probably do that, then set up another DC to replicate to

18:46 <yoyo[RKN]> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7932816.stm

18:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cemqog> (at news.bbc.co.uk)

18:46 <CoderForLife> get that Global Catalog shared around

18:47 <PovAddict> someone on ##windows told me it will also make a mess with Exchange, and agreed with me that the 10th floor window was inviting

18:47 <PovAddict> they also told me this was a messy-enough problem that I should probably call Microsoft for support

18:48 <CoderForLife> oh, you've got Exchange on there too?

18:48 <PovAddict> active directory, exchange, dhcp, dns...

18:48 <CoderForLife> a-yuppa - very bad

18:48 <PovAddict> and data (just a plain old file share)

18:48 <PovAddict> about Microsoft tech support...

18:48 <CoderForLife> they should have been replicating

18:49 <PovAddict> ...yeah right... there are no legal Windows copies and the server is no exception :-/

18:49 <CoderForLife> fscked

18:49 <PovAddict> the problem seems to have been a misconfigured UPS

18:49 <PovAddict> we used to have no UPS

18:49 <CoderForLife> misconfigured management

18:50 <PovAddict> every power outage (more frequent than they should be) broke something

18:50 <PovAddict> exchange DB got corrupted once (took a few hours to get it back up), IIS metabase got corrupted multiple times (had to restore backup), DHCP database (solved by recreating the DHCP service)...

18:51 <PovAddict> there was an non-working UPS around... they took it for repair (just needed a new battery)

18:51 <PovAddict> since then, there were two outages, the second was fatal

18:51 <CoderForLife> foreshadows of corruption yet to come

18:52 <PovAddict> I think this was the problem:

18:52 <PovAddict> without the UPS, a power outage *might* possibly happen while some process was writing something, and get that data corrupted

18:53 <CoderForLife> maybe, just maybe

18:53 <PovAddict> with the misconfigured UPS, a power outage made the OS cleanly shut down... then the UPS cut power in the middle of the shutdown process, during which the system was *surely* in the middle of writing something

18:53 * PovAddict emails thedailywtf.com

18:53 <wdsmia> power by Murphy

18:54 <xcamel> thedailyFSCKd.com

18:54 * PovAddict notes CFL is now speechless

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18:57 <fwerp2> zomg fuzzy math

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18:57 <Fwerp> MTughan

18:57 <Fwerp> i turned off sli on the 9600 machine ...remembered today... and it's doin the whole cuda thing

18:57 <Fwerp> BUT

18:58 <Fwerp> im no longer recieving the credit calculated

18:58 <Fwerp> fuzzy math?

18:58 <Fwerp> &google fuzzy math

18:58 <Romulus> Fwerp: Search took 0.19 seconds: Fuzzy mathematics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_Mathematics>; Fuzzy Math | Flash: <http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/fuzzymath>; How Not to Teach Math by Matthew Clavel: <http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_3_7_03mc.html>; Bush vs. Gore: Debate Aftermath; ' Fuzzy Math ' - The New York Times: (3 more messages)

19:00 * CoderForLife is usually rendered speechless when paying the bills

19:01 <xcamel> hmmm.. "U.S. Jet Shoots Down Iranian Drone Over Iraq"

19:01 <CoderForLife> hmm

19:01 <xcamel> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509153,00.html

19:01 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c4zph6> (at www.foxnews.com)

19:01 <CoderForLife> looking

19:05 <efc> Iran's drone is a Cessna with a blow-up doll piloting?

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19:09 <xcamel> the blow-up pilot from Airplane

19:20 <Fwerp> lul

19:20 <Fwerp> kite pulled by r/c helicopter fallowed by rented u.s hummer?

19:21 <Fwerp> cessna... 100k, kite+helicopter+hummer= priceless

19:21 * PovAddict wonders wtf to do on Monday with teh server

19:22 <CoderForLife> I hope the U.S. jet was named the Thermopylae - to add insult to injury

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19:26 <karpi> hello.. ive just upgrade boinc, but it refuse start anymore..

19:27 <karpi> sched_setscheduler: Invalid argument

19:27 <karpi> failed to set pid 0's policy

19:27 <Tank_Master> what versuion are you runing now?

19:27 <Tank_Master> and what OS?

19:27 <karpi> gentoo

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19:27 <Tank_Master> what version of boinc?

19:27 <karpi> 6.4.5-r1

19:28 <Rookie_69> I stopped in at the boat club after work this evening and beer got bought and still beer got bought and even more beer got bought and I still have the $20 that I started with and The van got too drunk to drive and is spending the night down at the boat club and apparently, I am doing at least two One Hundred Mile races this summer!

19:28 <PovAddict> I'm not aware of BOINC using such a sched_thing, karpi

19:28 <PovAddict> ask the Gentoo packagers

19:28 <karpi> oki, thx..

19:30 <Fwerp> I FOTTED

19:31 <xcamel> karpi.. dl the unpackaged version here and try it... http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/

19:31 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

19:34 <Fwerp> talked my mother through ipconfig

19:34 <Fwerp> lol...

19:47 <karpi> oki, its ok now. ,}

19:47 <Tank_Master> sweet

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19:55 * CoderForLife returns

19:55 <CoderForLife> looks like the museum online order form is working OK under IE6 now

19:56 <CoderForLife> bwowser phun

19:56 <Fwerp> FUGWAH

19:56 * Fwerp slaps CoderForLife around a bit with a large trout

19:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o CoderForLife

19:56 <Fwerp> lolol

19:57 * CoderForLife swells to twice his size

19:57 * Rookie_69 wonders why CFL wants to order a museum...

19:57 <CoderForLife> I'm giving one away actually

19:57 <CoderForLife> any takers?

19:57 <efc> I can order the King Tut Tissue Dispenser I've always wanted?

19:57 <Fwerp> museum?

19:57 <Fwerp> d00der

19:57 <CoderForLife> http://www.tri-statewarbirdmuseum.org

19:57 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to the Tri-State Warbird Museum Web Site! (at www.tri-statewarbirdmuseum.org)

19:58 <Fwerp> &google 3d satellite tracking application

19:58 <Romulus> Fwerp: Search took 0.17 seconds: NASA - Science@NASA Satellite Tracking: <http://science.nasa.gov/realtime/>; NASA - Science@NASA J-Track Astronomical Satellites: <http://science.nasa.gov/Realtime/Jtrack/spacecraft.html>; Satellite : Software: Satellite tracking: <http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Satellite_tracking/>; Open Directory - Recreation: Radio: Amateur: Satellite Tracking: (3 more messages)

19:58 <Rookie_69> Got a Fairey Firefly? I got a taker on some parts.

19:58 <CoderForLife> they just got a Fw-190

19:59 <CoderForLife> I made a commitment to have the online gift shop done by Monday

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19:59 <Fwerp> j track is neat

20:00 <rodrigoflores> Hi. Somebody know where I find a good documentation about using R with Boinc?

20:01 <CoderForLife> R, as in statistical analysis?

20:01 <rodrigoflores> CoderForLife, yes

20:02 <CoderForLife> you're wanting to distribute R work using BOINC?

20:02 <rodrigoflores> CoderForLife, yes

20:02 * CoderForLife notes he's doing very well so far...

20:05 <CoderForLife> I don't know myself - you've checked the r-project.org wiki?

20:05 <rodrigoflores> CoderForLife, I will look there. I was searching in R packages documentation

20:06 <CoderForLife> I would think it would be running on CONDOR, or other more dedicated grids

20:07 <CoderForLife> several Google refs on "R statistical computing CONDOR"

20:08 <rodrigoflores> Yeah. I know (I'm planning about doing this soon), but my professor asked me to solutions using Boinc instead of CONDOR

20:08 <CoderForLife> one reference says "aal the clients have to install R before BOINC"

20:09 <CoderForLife> er all

20:09 <CoderForLife> R would probably not a good candidate for volunteer distributed computing

20:10 <CoderForLife> Hmm "R lacks from a checkpointing facility"

20:11 <PovAddict> is R an imperative(-ish) language?

20:11 <CoderForLife> as are most statistical packages, such as SAS

20:12 <PovAddict> seems to be

20:12 <CoderForLife> SPSS

20:12 <CoderForLife> etc

20:12 <PovAddict> so to analyze a big block of data you'd use a loop?

20:12 <CoderForLife> here's one reference I was quoting from on running R on BOINC - needed to virtualize on VMWare  www.ibergrid.eu/2008/presentations/Dia%2014/6a_paper1.pdf

20:13 <PovAddict> how is output created?

20:13 <PovAddict> stdout? output file?

20:14 <CoderForLife> in my experience, datasets in and out

20:14 <CoderForLife> databases, proprietary formats, probably XML now

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20:16 <CoderForLife> the PDF gives a good into to problems with R and BOINC

20:17 <CoderForLife> HTH rodrigoflores

20:19 <rodrigoflores> I saw that. But I didn't understand. Does it use some R library?

20:19 <PovAddict> rodrigoflores: no, it uses an OS-level virtual machine

20:19 <PovAddict> looks like giant overkill :)

20:19 <CoderForLife> they created some wrappers to allow BOINC to run R

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20:20 <CoderForLife> they "extended" BOINC

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20:21 <CoderForLife> hardly public-style BOINC computing

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20:22 * PovAddict would help but he doesn't know R

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20:23 <PovAddict> I wrote some Code to make Python BOINC apps

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20:23 <rodrigoflores> Well. Thanks I will try to set up a Boinc server and an application that uses Boinc with R.

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20:23 <PovAddict> basically, calls boinc_init, embeds the python interpreter, extends it with a 'boinc' module with a method to report progress, runs the user script, and calls boinc_finish

20:24 <PovAddict> I might be able to do a similar program for R, but if I can't code R, I will have trouble getting in its internals :)

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20:27 <CoderForLife> start at http://www.r-project.org/

20:27 <Romulus> Title: The R Project for Statistical Computing (at www.r-project.org)

20:27 <Fwerp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgAyAcjUZ4

20:27 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Fuzzy Math (at www.youtube.com)

20:29 <PovAddict> eh, can't be bothered to *learn a programming language* right now :P

20:36 <CoderForLife> gn folks

20:37 <Rookie_69> L8ere, Coder.

20:37 <Rookie_69> ?

20:37 <Rookie_69> L8er.

20:38 * CoderForLife waves a warbird web site order form

20:41 <xcamel> laterz

20:55 <Rookie_69> Does Fuzzy Math equate to Fuzzy Grooming? I've just been called Grizzly Adams... Again.

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21:04 <fwerp2> ...

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21:15 <wdsmia> &wx 82215

21:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 45F / 7C | Humidity: 18% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows 15 to 20. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs 55 to 60. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 25 to 30. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.;

21:16 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

21:16 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 11.3°F / -11.5°C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.42in / 1030.0hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 10:15 PM ADT; Tonight - Clear. Becoming cloudy periods this evening. Wind west 20 km/h (12 mph) gusting to 40 km/h (25 mph). Low -10C(14F) with temperature rising to -3C(26F) by morning.; Saturday - Cloudy. 60 percent chance of (1 more message)

21:25 <Rookie_69> Me gotta go beddy...

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22:24 <Soul_keeper> http://game.amd.com/us-en/landings/tomslanding.aspx?CMP=BAC-TWRB&PUB=TomsHardwareCom&L=US&CR=WorldRecord&Region=NorthAmerica

22:24 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/buzktx> (at game.amd.com)

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23:35 <Soul_keeper> http://www.ihasaids.com/upload/data/1234908717.gif

23:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cvmnfl> (at www.ihasaids.com)

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23:43 <PovAddict> haha

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23:52 <Soul_keeper> http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper

23:52 <Romulus> Title: Peacekeeper - The Browser Benchmark (at service.futuremark.com)

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