IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-03-20

00:01 <MTughan> http://www.xkcd.com/558/

00:01 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - 1000 Times (at www.xkcd.com)

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00:34 <bukkakeninja> soul_keeper:

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00:58 <efc> &wx 31088

00:58 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 58F / 15C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. North winds up to 10 mph.; Friday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Northeast winds 10 to 20 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

01:04 <efc> hmm, why is thunderbird holding open a connection to seeder.yandex.net ..

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01:49 <turboninjalover> soul_keeper:

01:49 <MTughan> He's probably AFK.

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03:07 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

03:08 <efc> moo

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03:30 <Soul_keeper> http://gpucafe.com/2009/03/modern-graphics-card-failure-rates/

03:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/czgnf6> (at gpucafe.com)

03:36 <efc> yikes

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03:53 <Soul_keeper> is 1AM too early for coffee ?

03:54 <efc> Not if you never want to go to sleep..

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04:01 <efc> moo cfl

04:02 * CoderForLife coughs

04:02 <CoderForLife> moo efc

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04:02 <efc> How are the bread and circuses in your parts?

04:03 * CoderForLife inspects his parts

04:03 <CoderForLife> they seem fine

04:04 <efc> bread is stale here but the circuses are funny

04:06 <efc> another trillion. wheeeee

04:07 <CoderForLife> I seem to have lost control of that situation

04:07 <efc> I should really buy a house, but I don't actually need to borrow the money, so pooey

04:08 <CoderForLife> first time credit...

04:09 <efc> maybe i qualify as my own bank

04:10 <CoderForLife> If you get inivolved with the gov'mint, they may decide to tax you at 90% after the game has been played

04:10 <CoderForLife> er involved

04:10 <efc> I wish I could get a million dollar bonus. In fact, I'll even accept the 90% tax.

04:11 <efc> Somebody will have fun putting that one in the tax software.

04:11 <efc> Turbotax prompts you: What company do you work for? Uh, no reason.

04:12 <CoderForLife> It's the Intuit Relief Solution (IRS) - makes up for the Gehtner lost sales

04:13 <FreeLarry> ah my now to let wu's run out on vista so i can replace mb and try to get vista working on it again

04:14 <CoderForLife> I'll save you some time, replace the failing component only - Vista

04:15 <FreeLarry> yeah i would but fedora 10 showed the errors also - indicates flaky mb

04:15 <efc> Joke: A hardware guy and a software guy (remember, this was 1983) take an HP Unix system to the roof of a 5 story building. They connect a long extension cord, boot it up, and throw it off the roof. There is a resounding crash and they rush down to see the results. "Wow!" shouts the hardware guy, "it's still running!" The software guy shrugs and says, "Yeah, but it's still running HP-UX."

04:16 <CoderForLife> heh

04:17 <CoderForLife> maybe Fedora was picking up on the Vista install

04:17 <FreeLarry> nope used new hd for fedora and disconnected the vista hd

04:18 <FreeLarry> errors indicated a different section of mb each time until it finally booted up

04:18 <CoderForLife> Fedora is powerful - just maybe...

04:18 * FreeLarry sees fedora using mind meld across disconnected cable to see

04:19 * CoderForLife nods

04:19 <FreeLarry> lol

04:19 <CoderForLife> maybe Fedora could smell it

04:20 <FreeLarry> think it was the mb manufacturor trying to optimize chipset and bios for vista (32) at time

04:20 <FreeLarry> now gets timing errors or irq errors for different components at random times

04:20 <CoderForLife> ah - progress

04:21 <FreeLarry> especially around the M$ update times

04:21 * CoderForLife starts another smaller test run

04:22 <FreeLarry> got a p5q mb to install inplace of the 650sli

04:24 <CoderForLife> speaking of hardware, I'm expecting my Arduino Duemilanove to arrive any day now

04:24 <CoderForLife> http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardDuemilanove

04:24 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7cllq9> (at www.arduino.cc)

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04:26 <CoderForLife> I'll start/learn with this one, but it could become the basis for a few devices around here

04:27 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:30 * FreeLarry scratches head and tries to figure out purpose of -- computer controled on off for external items? roomba programs at different times

04:31 * efc manually pushes the roomba button

04:32 * FreeLarry shoots roombas thinking they were pests running around in dark room

04:39 <CoderForLife> b

04:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah i woke up at 11:30PM  no need for sleep anymore

04:40 <CoderForLife> one job is "tell me if the pump has been running too long"

04:40 <Soul_keeper> i need the sun to come up so i can make phone calls and do laundry and get more tobacco :)

04:41 <CoderForLife> another function may be "replace the old security system"

04:41 <FreeLarry> ahh remote sensing

04:41 <Soul_keeper> the obama scene on leno was kinda disturbing

04:41 <CoderForLife> I fortunately didn't watch

04:42 <Soul_keeper> he opened by comparing our government to american idol or something

04:43 <Soul_keeper> then he talked about the dog for sasha and that other little brat

04:43 <Soul_keeper> then he talked about his buddies at AIG

04:43 <Soul_keeper> that was about it

04:44 <CoderForLife> they must have not contributed enough

04:45 <Soul_keeper> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/39825?t51hb&netht=mr_031909&nladname=031909dailynewsamal   a new exploit for intel CPUs

04:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d3l52e> (at www.net!@#&world.com)

04:45 <Soul_keeper> apparently OS independent

04:46 <Soul_keeper> intel has known about it for like 4yrs, the people are now releasing the exploit to the public because intel didn't fix it ...

04:53 <Soul_keeper> HA !!!

04:54 <efc> wonder if they had a reason for not fixing it

04:55 <efc> apparently there is much naughtiness on the low level stuff by the mb makers

04:55 <Soul_keeper> so yeah, playing with the permission settings i can peg gpugrid at exactely 10% of one core

04:55 <Tank_Master> its not something a scriptkiddy can pull off

04:55 <Soul_keeper> the new AMD x4's come out apr 20th apparently

04:55 <Soul_keeper> that's what the rumours are saying now atleast

04:56 <efc> another always a bridesmaid by AMD

04:56 <Soul_keeper> i've still never tryed an integrated memory controller ...

04:57 <Tank_Master> well, now you can choose between intel or AMD to use one

04:57 <Soul_keeper> i guess

04:58 <efc> Hehe.. You can Choose the Fruits, or you can Choose the Vegtables

04:59 <Soul_keeper> ok 2AM has to be a good time for coffee ...

05:03 * efc chooses the fruits

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05:10 <Soul_keeper> i heard the main reason atom/c7 can't play blueray movies is because of that drm junk, they gotta decode it in realtime and it chews up the cpu cycles

05:13 <Soul_keeper> awesome i got my first 64-bit clean energy project wu

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05:54 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - Friiiiday

05:55 <CoderForLife> laterz

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07:38 <Soul_keeper> http://www.khronos.org/files/opencl-quick-reference-card.pdf

07:38 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dcrddc> (at www.khronos.org)

07:42 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

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07:43 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

07:43 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 52.5F / 11.4C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.26in / 990.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly to mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy dense fog in the morning with visibility one quarter mile or less at times. Highs 65 to 70 in the western valleys to 74 to 79 near the foothills. Light (1 more message)

07:43 <Soul_keeper> wdsmia, did i win ?

07:43 <wdsmia> :P

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09:05 <BadBarbarian> &more

09:05 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: cloudy. Highs 55 to 63. Light winds becoming south 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon.;

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12:37 <jackygrahamez> Hi Romie how's the weather? &wx 20001

12:37 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

12:37 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 44.1F / 6.7C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 9.0mph / 14.5km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. North winds around (1 more message)

12:37 <jackygrahamez> &more

12:37 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: 5 mph...becoming southeast around 5 mph in the afternoon.;

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12:45 <jackygrahamez> hi Punky260!

12:45 <Punky260> heyho ;)

12:49 <jackygrahamez> Hi guys, I want to introduce Punky260. Punky is interested in CUDA programming for BOINC

13:04 <MTughan> Shoudln't he brush up on Nvidia's CUDA documents then?

13:04 <MTughan> Shouldn't*

13:06 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

13:06 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

13:06 <Punky260> taking the advise of well provided people can help there were the documentation is not the best, I think ;)

13:06 <yoyo[RKN]> ecm port to cuda would be nice

13:06 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

13:07 <MTughan> lol

13:07 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

13:07 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 5:50 PM CET; Clear. High:44 F.; Clear. Low:28 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:50 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F.; Chance of Rain. High:51 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F.;

13:07 <MTughan> Punky260: I could see that, yeah. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone in here has touched CUDA programming yet.

13:08 <MTughan> Couple project admins, though.

13:08 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN] being one of them. ;)

13:08 <Punky260> mhh, but you are in touch with BOINC-programing, and even this is very new to me ...

13:09 <MTughan> I think there are people who could help you with the CPU programming part, sure. At that point, the discussion is better in #boinc_dev, not #boinc.

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13:12 <Punky260> I joined the CUDA channel already ... my actual problems are just of "cuda" nature, nothing with the boinc-thing ^^

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15:25 <MTughan> xcamel: AIG has sued the US over tax refunds.

15:26 <Soul_keeper> should have let them bastards fail

15:26 <Soul_keeper> and sent GM/Chrystler to canada

15:27 <MTughan> turboninjalover flashed you last night.

15:28 <Soul_keeper> i banned that idiot from my channel, now he'll harrass everyone he's ever seen me speak to

15:28 <MTughan> Okay, good to know.

15:29 <Soul_keeper> all he ever talks open are underaged girls, and cussing at webcam girls trying to make them cry

15:29 <Soul_keeper> he's got issues

15:30 <MTughan> And you don't occasionally?

15:30 <Soul_keeper> underage girls, no

15:30 <MTughan> I was talking about "he's got issues".

15:31 <Soul_keeper> yeah we all got issues ...  but his issues i'd rather no deal with

15:31 <Soul_keeper> not*

15:31 <MTughan> Fair enough.

15:34 <Soul_keeper> that fwerp guys is much slower than i thought he'd be ...

15:35 <Soul_keeper> figured he would beat us up in 10 days with his pc shop army

15:35 <Soul_keeper> he's barely doing 1500 PPD tho

15:35 <MTughan> He may still have lots of pendings.

15:36 <MTughan> It's a phenomenon I've noticed at ABC. Even if you throw a lot of computing power at the project, it takes a while for the full force of it to show, because of pendings.

15:36 <Soul_keeper> his boincstats are still setup wrong, unless he's just running seti

15:37 <MTughan> I think he's just doing SETI.

15:37 <Soul_keeper> ok

15:39 <Soul_keeper> so is apple gonna be pushing out opencl this summer ?

15:39 <Soul_keeper> that's what some rumours have said

15:40 <Soul_keeper> do they use ati cards ?  or just nvidia

15:41 <MTughan> Apple uses Nvidia cards more than ATI.

15:41 <MTughan> All their consumer machines use 9400M chipsets or 9600M discretes I think.

15:41 <MTughan> The Mac Pro can use an ATI HD4870, but the default is a GT 120 IIRC.

15:42 <Soul_keeper> ok good

15:42 <Soul_keeper> i like ati cards more, just don't wanna see them never get the support

15:43 <MTughan> Let me look over the card stats. I'm pretty sure that's how it looks.

15:43 <Soul_keeper> i figure if apple pushes out an implementation of opencl  the other os's will follow suit quickly

15:44 <Soul_keeper> they don't like being outdone by each other :)

15:44 <Soul_keeper> i wanna pick up an rv740

15:44 <MTughan> RV790 should be coming soon.

15:44 <Soul_keeper> 40nm, it's budget. but still twice as fast as my 3870

15:45 <MTughan> Yep, all Apple's laptops use 9400M chipsets, and the Pro has the 9600M as well. As for desktops...

15:46 <Punky260> there is a 40nm ?

15:46 <Punky260> thought it goes straight from 45nm to 32nm ... or what 3x it was ...

15:46 <Soul_keeper> Punky260, april 6th according to the recent news

15:46 <MTughan> Mac mini uses 9400M, Mac Pro does use 4870 or GT 120, but the iMac can take a GT 120, GT 130, or a HD4850.

15:47 <Soul_keeper> the gpu's aren't on the same cycle as the cpu's.   65nm - 55nm - 40nm

15:47 <Soul_keeper> half node, essentially similar to 45nm i believe

15:47 <MTughan> While CPU has gone 65nm - 45nm - 32nm.

15:49 <Punky260> ah ok ...

15:50 <Soul_keeper> ddr3  is just starting to go  50nm

15:50 <Soul_keeper> that'll be interesting

15:55 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you having trouble keep your 4870 fed with MW ?

15:56 <MTughan> I think it crashes a WU when the screen shuts off.

15:56 <MTughan> You noticed my drop in credits?

15:56 <Soul_keeper> yeah

15:56 <Soul_keeper> just wondering if they don't have enough work for all the radeons

15:56 <Soul_keeper> what's it take 8 seconds a wu ?

15:57 <MTughan> They are short on work, but it's that my GPU can sit idle for 6-9 hours, depending on how long I'm away.

15:57 <MTughan> About 29-31 seconds/WU.

15:57 <Soul_keeper> ahh

15:58 <Soul_keeper> for the one day i had the gtx260 it was pushing out a seti WU about every 8 minutes

15:58 <Soul_keeper> before it decided it was gonna completely stop working

15:59 <Soul_keeper> and that was with 100% cpu usage on one core ...

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16:03 <jackygrahamez> &more

16:03 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: clear. Lows in the mid 30s. South winds around 5 mph.;

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16:17 <Punky260> mhh, is it possible to only crunsh the GPU-WUs at SETI ?

16:17 <Punky260> as it startet, I didn't find such an option

16:18 <Punky260> but I would like to feed my gtx260 with some new work ... ;)

16:30 <yoyo[RKN]> Punky260 : I think in your project settings @seti you can choose to get only cuda

16:38 <Punky260> oh nice ... i think at they began, it was not possibel to choose ;)

16:38 <Punky260> thx

16:39 <yoyo[RKN]> yes, it's new since some days

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16:55 <BadBarbarian> &more

16:55 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: River. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Saturday - Breezy. Partly cloudy. Highs around 55 on the North Rim to around 80 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon.;

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17:09 <PovAddict> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/39825?t51hb&netht=mr_031909&nladname=031909dailynewsamal

17:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d3l52e> (at www.net!@#&world.com)

17:09 <PovAddict> wtf, I heard an announcement of that like a year ago

17:09 <PovAddict> nobody did anything about it

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17:12 <PovAddict> ah different exploit this time

17:12 <PovAddict> I wonder if that other one was ever released

17:13 <PovAddict> (no, it wasn't Blue Pill)

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17:45 <mcepl> could anybody help me with creating account for malariacontrol.net? When I try both GUI and command line version on Fedora (Linux) I get http://www.pastebin.cz/16453

17:45 <Romulus> Title: Pastebin.cz (at www.pastebin.cz)

17:46 <PovAddict> boinccmd --get_messages

17:47 <mcepl> Authorization failure: -155

17:48 <mcepl> but no problem to get_project_status for my lcathome project

17:48 <XioNYC> &wx LGA

17:48 <PovAddict> get_project_status doesn't need authentication with the core client

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17:48 <PovAddict> also, you posted your password there

17:48 <XioNYC> &more

17:48 <Romulus> XioNYC: cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

17:49 <PovAddict> --create_account URL email passwd name

17:49 <mcepl> PovAddict: no, I didn't, <very-secret> is just a stub

17:50 <MTughan> PovAddict: I think he tried to make that his username, and name his full name.

17:50 <PovAddict> you censored your local password with <very-secret> and left your malaria password (kyrios) there

17:50 <mcepl> oh yes, I se

17:50 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:51 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

17:51 <mcepl> PovAddict: I see, well I haven't created that account yet ;-)

17:51 <mcepl> anyway, what kind of user I should be -- any or root or boinc?

17:52 <PovAddict> any user who knows the client's RPC password can do it

17:52 <PovAddict> Authorization failure: -155 means you got that password wrong

17:53 <mcepl> I thought it is the password in /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg, isn't it?

17:54 <PovAddict> yes, it is

17:54 <PovAddict> ...if the client is reading from there...

17:54 <MTughan> mcepl: What does "boinccmd --get_messages --host localhost --passwd <password>" do?

17:55 <PovAddict> if you started the BOINC client yourself from the wrong working directory, then you have a problem :)

17:55 <mcepl> no, I didn't ... just using /etc/init.d/boinc* script from Fedora packages

17:55 <PovAddict> ok

17:56 * PovAddict starts over

17:56 <PovAddict> boinccmd --passwd yourpassword --get_project_status

17:56 <PovAddict> works?

17:56 <mcepl> Actually, the frist command gives -155 error as well

17:57 <mcepl> get_project_status (with --passwd $(cat /var/lib/...)) does work

17:57 <PovAddict> does it show any projects?

17:57 <mcepl> yes, lcathome

17:58 <PovAddict> ok, that was a read-only function; let's try a function that actually changes the client status (and so really needs authentication)

17:58 <mcepl> is localhost default value for --host?

17:58 <PovAddict> yes

17:58 <mcepl> ok

17:58 <PovAddict> --project http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/ suspend

17:58 <Romulus> Title: LHC@home (at lhcathome.cern.ch)

17:59 * PovAddict sits on Romulus

17:59 <mcepl> no answer

17:59 <mcepl> echo $? gives 0

18:00 <PovAddict> do get_project_status, see if it's suspended :)

18:00 <mcepl> and get_project_status says "Suspended via GUI"

18:00 <mcepl> ;)

18:00 <mcepl> (weird GUI, when I am connected via SSH to the computer ;-))

18:00 <PovAddict> ok use 'resume' to get it back :)

18:01 <PovAddict> aaand let's do the account creation again

18:01 <PovAddict> it should work with the command you put on pastebin...

18:01 <mcepl> again, no reply and echo $? 0 and not suspended

18:03 <mcepl> http://www.pastebin.cz/16454 :(

18:03 <Romulus> Title: Pastebin.cz (at www.pastebin.cz)

18:11 <mcepl> PovAddict: actually, there IS something wrong with something ... http://www.pastebin.cz/16455 ... apparently, I haven't downloaded a data yet.

18:11 <Romulus> Title: Pastebin.cz (at www.pastebin.cz)

18:11 <mcepl> nrpc_failures: 1

18:11 <PovAddict> --get_messages

18:13 <mcepl> AUthorization failure even on get_project_status

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18:13 <PovAddict> wtf

18:13 <PovAddict> so it was working and now randomly stopped working?

18:13 <mcepl> when I add --get_messages it fails, without that it works

18:13 <mcepl> ???

18:14 <PovAddict> you can only use one command at a time

18:15 <mcepl> ??? so what is supposed to be parameter of --get_messages? What is seqno (needed according to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool)?

18:15 <Romulus> Title: Boinccmd tool - BOINC (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

18:15 <PovAddict> ugh

18:16 * PovAddict throws his computer at a developer

18:16 <PovAddict> just try '1'

18:16 <PovAddict> it's the ID of the first message to get

18:16 <PovAddict> I hate the fact that boinccmd is basically a raw frontend to the RPC protocol, instead of at least *trying* to be user friendly

18:17 <mcepl> is this http://www.pastebin.cz/16456 correct way how to call it?

18:17 <Romulus> Title: Pastebin.cz (at www.pastebin.cz)

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18:17 <PovAddict> try keeping host and passwd always before the command

18:18 <mcepl> now, I have A LOT of messages

18:20 <mcepl> http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/tmp/boinc_messages.txt

18:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cd4t84> (at mcepl.fedorapeople.org)

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18:20 <PovAddict> LHC is simply out of work, no problems there

18:20 <mcepl> ok

18:21 <PovAddict> your create_account problems got me curious

18:21 * PovAddict tests something

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18:22 <PovAddict> failed same way here... time to debug!

18:24 <PovAddict> hmm gotta recompile

18:26 * CoderForLife weighs the cost of a raw front end versus a raw rear end

18:26 <PovAddict> found it!

18:26 <PovAddict> mcepl: malaria control has account creation semi-disabled, you need an invite code to join

18:27 <mcepl> where I can get the code?

18:28 <PovAddict> if it was readily-available, it would serve no purpose...

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18:28 <mcepl> OK, so the project is invited-only?

18:28 <PovAddict> for example, maybe they don't want new users, but still want people inside their research group to create new accounts

18:28 <PovAddict> so nobody outside their building has the invite code

18:28 <PovAddict> it could be that way...

18:28 <mcepl> (nothing against that, but it should be stated somewhere on boinc wiki, IMHO)

18:29 <MTughan> There's a lot of stuff that should be stated somewhere on the BOINC wiki...

18:31 <PovAddict> no, it should be stated on malariacontrol website...

18:33 <Soul_keeper> i thought malariacontroll was supposed to be shutting down for good ...

18:34 <PovAddict> maybe that's why account creation is closed

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18:46 <Detrix> Hello.  have question about seti@home.

18:47 <PovAddict> no, we haven't found ETs yet

18:47 <PovAddict> er--

18:47 <PovAddict> sure, ask :)

18:47 <Detrix> lol

18:47 <Detrix> brb

18:47 <PovAddict> ...

18:47 <MTughan> <Detrix> Hello.  have question about seti@home.

18:47 <MTughan> Don't we all...

18:47 <PovAddict> I don't

18:48 <MTughan> Maybe not about SETI@home directly, but surely about DA.

18:48 <PovAddict> actually I do, but they have nothing to do with the processing being done

18:48 <Detrix> sorry dinner is being served....yum..

18:48 <Detrix> anyways

18:49 <PovAddict> MTughan: I view SETI@Home as: the biggest BOINC project, with the most users, and thus a good place to experiment with optimizations and scalability

18:49 <PovAddict> server-side optimizations, that is

18:50 <MTughan> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5018294/Pub-evacuated-after-Monty-Python-prop-mistaken-for-grenade.html

18:50 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d8nvuh> (at www.telegraph.co.uk)

18:50 <MTughan> xD

18:50 <Detrix> I had an account through my desktop.  desktop having problems, so now using laptop, I keep getting the message that project has no job available....does not sound right

18:50 <PovAddict> Detrix: SETI@Home indeed has no work at the moment

18:50 <PovAddict> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

18:50 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

18:50 <PovAddict> "Results ready to send"

18:51 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yeah, but look at the last updated time... 40 minutes ago.

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18:52 <wdsmia> Yikes! its Glenn

18:52 <Rookie_69> Where?

18:53 <Rookie_69> Oh... Me.

18:53 <MTughan> Detrix: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=52633&nowrap=true#877499

18:53 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c7vh6t> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

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18:54 <Rookie_69> I'm trying to stuff some cold pork into me, and well, the fries are cold now too.

18:54 <Detrix> well how about that.  I did not think it was possible. for seti to not have any data to be analyzed

18:55 <PovAddict> Detrix: it does have data to be analyzed

18:55 <PovAddict> but a database server crashed :)

18:55 <PovAddict> not surprisingly :)

18:56 <Detrix> ok, ouch

18:56 <Rookie_69> Alll I seem to get is Astropulse, so I should be good for a day or three.

18:59 <Detrix> ok then, a bit of a different question...I am using Ubuntu.  having difficulties with viewing the graphics.  I have played with xhost and enabled local:  but I keep getting a execv permission denied.

19:00 <Punky260> Am I right, SETI had a server crash ?

19:01 <Rookie_69> SETI has graphics???

19:01 <Detrix> lol

19:02 <MTughan> Punky260: DB server crash, yep. Thumper crashed last nigh.

19:02 <MTughan> night*

19:03 <Punky260> ah okay, that could be the reason why I don't get any WUs for my GPU from SETI ^^

19:03 <MTughan> :P

19:03 <Punky260> thanks ... I thought it's something in my configuration...

19:03 <MTughan> You can always try using your GPU at GPUGRID too.

19:03 <Punky260> yes, but I wanted to give her some alternation xD

19:04 <MTughan> Oh, you're attached to GPUGRID too?

19:04 <Punky260> jep

19:04 <MTughan> You're all set then. :)

19:04 <Punky260> as only project ... just wanted to change it today ;)

19:05 <Punky260> so, I have to wait^^

19:05 <Punky260> is there any information if the data is lost ?

19:05 <Punky260> or when they can return "making WUs" ?!

19:05 <Rookie_69> I think Boinc laughed at me when it saw my GPU...

19:05 <MTughan> It should be fine. There's a reason they run everything under RAID arrays.

19:05 <MTughan> Dunno when they'll be back up.

19:06 <Punky260> rookie_69: why that ?!

19:06 <Rookie_69> I suffer from serious GPU envy.

19:06 <Punky260> mhh, of course SETI is not as stupid as Superlink@Technion xD

19:06 * CoderForLife just suffers

19:07 <MTughan> What did Superlink do?

19:07 <Punky260> they had a database server crash too ...

19:07 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

19:07 <Punky260> lost about 300.000 results

19:07 <MTughan> Ouch.

19:07 <Punky260> with no backups or anything ...

19:08 <CoderForLife> hello Glenn

19:08 <MTughan> Punky260: Well, storage space for all that stuff costs a bit.

19:08 <Rookie_69> Backup is R on the stick... You only use it to get out of a situation.

19:09 <Punky260> of course, but that little money a project should invest ...

19:09 <Punky260> i mean 300k results is very much for such a "little" project

19:10 <Punky260> i think normaly thats a ton of time till they had get it together again - and time is money you know ^^

19:11 <PovAddict> f'ing hell all this day is wasted, again

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19:11 * CoderForLife covers his ears

19:12 <Punky260> could be much worst I think

19:12 * Rookie_69 is starting to wonder how many days til razor day.

19:12 <CoderForLife> of coursem that doesn't help =)

19:12 * Rookie_69 scratches his beard.

19:13 * MTughan --> dinner

19:13 * Rookie_69 scratches dinner out of his beard.

19:13 <PovAddict> my mom had already predicted I'd have trouble when my beard started growing fast

19:13 <PovAddict> I'm way too lazy to shave daily

19:13 <PovAddict> :)

19:13 <CoderForLife> heh

19:14 <PovAddict> fortunately every 2 days seems to be enough... for now

19:14 <Rookie_69> That's one of the main reasons I grow one in the winter.

19:14 <PovAddict> keep you warm?

19:14 <Rookie_69> That too.

19:14 <Soul_keeper> grow a richard stallman beard

19:15 <Rookie_69> ... or that two.

19:15 <Rookie_69> I keep getting called Grizzly Adams.

19:15 <Soul_keeper> http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/rms-20070401.jpeg

19:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/22qmr4> (at www.fsfeurope.org)

19:15 <Soul_keeper> he's cool

19:15 <Soul_keeper> http://linux.ues.edu.sv/servidor/maracosas/bruno2d/richard-stallman.jpg

19:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/334frt> (at linux.ues.edu.sv)

19:16 <Rookie_69> Gimme a sec.

19:16 <wdsmia> Rookie_69 I thought that was bear sh**

19:17 <Soul_keeper> grow a big beard and wear a Free software button

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19:23 <Rookie_69> <a href="http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g267/Rookie_69/?action=view&current=ReachinOut.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g267/Rookie_69/ReachinOut.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

19:23 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cy5jp8> (at s58.photobucket.com)

19:24 <PovAddict> that you?

19:25 <Rookie_69> Guest password... dyc-rc

19:25 <Rookie_69> AC-Delco shirt is me.

19:25 <Rookie_69> ... today.

19:25 <Rookie_69> ... tonight.

19:26 <wdsmia> take a step closer to the razor next time Glenn

19:26 <Rookie_69> I look stoned... Wasn't sure if the timer would work.

19:27 <Soul_keeper> http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/spcagui.jpg    this guy is cool too

19:27 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cvjyqd> (at mxhaard.free.fr)

19:28 <PovAddict> haha

19:28 <PovAddict> reminds me

19:29 <PovAddict> http://www.youtube.com/user/CONRADCIGARSPIPES

19:29 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - CONRADCIGARSPIPES's Channel (at www.youtube.com)

19:29 <PovAddict> look at *any* of his videos

19:29 <PovAddict> there's 6533 of them

19:30 <PovAddict> looks like he posts a few per hour

19:31 <Soul_keeper> that guy must have a screw loose

19:31 <PovAddict> no sh1t

19:31 <PovAddict> the videos are all the same... him staring at the camera smoking a pipe or a cigar, with different background music

19:31 <Soul_keeper> what's with the glove ?

19:32 <PovAddict> no idea

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19:32 * PovAddict would rather not know

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19:34 <Soul_keeper> i shouldn't make fun of the guy tho, i got a pipe in my mouth all day here ...

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19:34 <Soul_keeper> i don't tape myself atleast

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19:51 <Rookie_69> ... You don't show it to the public at least.

19:56 <CoderForLife> gn boincfolk

19:56 <MTughan> Night Don.

19:57 <Rookie_69> L8er.

19:57 <KathrynM> nighty night

19:57 <Rookie_69> Mornin, K.

19:58 <CoderForLife> bye MTughan Rookie_69 KathrynM Soul_keeper PovAddict wdsmia JohnBoy

19:58 <PovAddict> bye

19:58 <MTughan> JohnBoy?

19:58 <wdsmia> morning mss marks

19:58 <Rookie_69> Waltons flashback.

19:59 <PovAddict> shh if you greet her like that she may start teaching us

19:59 <Rookie_69> Lol.

19:59 <wdsmia> maybe you but im her elder

19:59 <Rookie_69> Some of us could use it.

19:59 <PovAddict> true

19:59 <PovAddict> after all, she's 29

20:00 <wdsmia> I have socks older than 29

20:00 * PovAddict wonders if KathrynM is looking at the IRC window

20:00 <PovAddict> &grab wdsmia

20:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

20:00 <MTughan> lol

20:01 <KathrynM> lol

20:02 <KathrynM> I'm looking now.

20:02 <MTughan> And watching very carefully? xD

20:02 <KathrynM> Please, PovAddict, it's Saturday.  I'm morally opposed to doing anything that resembles teaching on the weekend.

20:02 <KathrynM> I gotta keep you yokels in line somehow.

20:02 <PovAddict> oh right

20:02 <PovAddict> it's Caturday!

20:02 <KathrynM> :)

20:02 <MTughan> Not yet, it ain't.

20:03 <KathrynM> Cat is curled up in my arms sleeping.

20:03 <PovAddict> is it caturday yet?

20:03 <PovAddict> aww

20:03 <MTughan> Actually, UTC just hit Caturday 3 minutes ago...

20:03 <PovAddict> mew

20:03 <MTughan> So I guess it could be considered Caturday.

20:03 * KathrynM yawns

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20:03 <MTughan> Whereas KathrynM has been in Caturday for 9 hours now. :P

20:04 <PovAddict> I think one of the rules of the internet said if it's caturday and there is a thread with lolcats, someone will eventually post zippocat (do NOT search for that)

20:04 <PovAddict> there are people with really sick minds in the internets

20:04 <KathrynM> I'm going to take me and the sleepy kitty back to bed.  Caturday is made for being lazy.

20:05 <PovAddict> thread full of cute cats, post a proof of animal cruelty...

20:05 <KathrynM> laters all

20:05 <PovAddict> bye

20:05 <PovAddict> meow

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20:37 <BadBarbarian> hi Kat its been a long time

20:38 <PovAddict> that was probably her cat

20:39 <BadBarbarian> i think so too

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20:47 <Soul_keeper> i think i hate php

20:47 <Soul_keeper> :)

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21:01 <KathrynM> <,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,877777UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU      XBBBBBBBBBTRFFFFHHHHHHHHHH666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666

21:01 <KathrynM> 666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666XFRRFRTNMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm "{[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]]}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}QQQQQQQ6777777

21:01 <PovAddict> hmph

21:01 <PovAddict> wake up, your cat is typing!

21:02 <Rookie_69> Glenn's Truism of the day... This one's about home brewing... insert your own activity as appropriate... Everything I know about home brewing, I learned. Most of what I learned about home brewing, I forgot.

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21:06 <BadBarbarian> &seen thegasgiant

21:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: thegasgiant was last seen in #boinc 21 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: * TheGasGiant sneaks in

21:07 <Rookie_69> Paul doesn't seem to hang around here much anymore.

21:08 <Rookie_69> Must be getting paid too much what with the new job and all...

21:09 <Rookie_69> Ok... I didn't mean that.

21:13 <Rookie_69> Must be too busy what with having a life and all.

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21:13 <Rookie_69> ... or somebody here just urinated him off.

21:16 <Rookie_69> Did somebody say Goodnight?

21:16 <Rookie_69> I think it was me.

21:16 <Rookie_69> NN.

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21:27 <BadBarbarian> &seen quail

21:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: quail was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 40 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <quail> peace all

21:29 <zombie67> hi BB

21:30 <BadBarbarian> hey Z

21:30 <BadBarbarian> whatup

21:31 <zombie67> not much

21:31 <zombie67> you kicking ass on MW?

21:31 <BadBarbarian> naaa on seti

21:31 <zombie67> GPU there too

21:31 <BadBarbarian> even got my 8600 GT crunching

21:31 <zombie67> I am crunching SETI Beta with two GPUs

21:31 <BadBarbarian> 1800 rac

21:32 <zombie67> my problem is that most of my machines do not have PCIe

21:32 <zombie67> the fastest CUDA PCI card is the 9400 GT

21:32 <PovAddict> meh @ cuda

21:33 <zombie67> yeah, but it frees up my CPUs to work on other projects, and still make my goal on SETI Beta

21:33 <PovAddict> I take a different approach to free the CPU for other projects

21:34 <BadBarbarian> my 2.4 quad is crunching AP 5.5 in 12 hrs

21:34 <PovAddict> I don't attach SETI

21:34 <PovAddict> :)

21:34 <PovAddict> also, I seem to be > < this close to 100k in ABC@Home

21:34 <BadBarbarian> i dont mostly but the team needs me

21:35 <zombie67> ah, but that won't work for me.  Instead of going to credits, I go for most n projects

21:35 <PovAddict> the most projects?

21:35 <BadBarbarian> trying to pass the other team starfire lol

21:36 <zombie67> http://stats5.free-dc.org/mosttag.php?cpid=0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480

21:36 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/chml7l> (at stats5.free-dc.org)

21:36 <PovAddict> that still uses absolute credits, and compares them across projects (= flawed)

21:37 <zombie67> I hold four #1s

21:37 <zombie67> three #2s.

21:37 <PovAddict> hmm actually I'm not sure I understand that image

21:37 <zombie67> so I can get another 500k project with SETI Beta, without using any CPU

21:38 <zombie67> This many means I have that many projects with at least 10k

21:38 <PovAddict> ah so I got it right, relies on the impossible cross-project credit parity

21:38 <zombie67> no!!!

21:39 <zombie67> no cross project parity!

21:39 <PovAddict> it does... "projects with at least 10k" makes no sense if it takes you different amount of time to reach 10k on each project (because credit grants differ)

21:39 <zombie67> no

21:39 <zombie67> not true

21:40 <zombie67> within each project, we all accrue points at the same rate.

21:40 <PovAddict> correct

21:40 <zombie67> take AI, for example, to get to 10k, you and I would have to do the same amount of work, at the same credit rate

21:41 <PovAddict> correct

21:41 <zombie67> then we move to AQUA, same thing

21:41 <zombie67> we are NOT comparing project to project

21:41 <zombie67> we are just counting how many projects we have gotten to 10k

21:42 <zombie67> so it doesn't matter that we get to 10k in project A in 1 day, and project B in 1 year.

21:43 <zombie67> within each project, level playing field

21:45 <zombie67> so if you are starting at 0 credits everywhere, sure, you could go after the higher paying projects first.  That will get you a quick initial count.

21:45 <zombie67> but eventually you will need to hit the lower paying projects too.

21:46 <zombie67> and since some of them are no longer active, it is HARD to beat me....  ;)

21:46 <zombie67> that number of 10k projects for me (68) is impossible to hit today, starting from scratch.  I started on that goal over a year ago.

21:48 <zombie67> more of an open field are the bigger numbers.  For example, I have only 11 projects with 1M or more, and am in 10th place.  And there are way more active projects than 10.

21:51 <zombie67> for the 1M mark, of course, everyone will start off with MW for an easy win.  But then what?doing more than 1M doesn't help that category any more.  Eventually you will be forced to crunch ALL the projects evenly if you want to make any ground.

21:52 <zombie67> see?  It really doesn't matter what credit rates the project use.  same or different...no matter

21:56 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080/boinctest/show_user.php?userid=2

21:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/chgqwv> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080)

21:57 <PovAddict> no matter :)

21:57 <MTughan> xD

21:58 <zombie67> hah!

21:58 <zombie67> but you don't export stats

21:58 <PovAddict> indeed I don't

21:58 <PovAddict> also, you seem to have IPv6, nice

22:00 <MTughan> zombie67 does?

22:00 <PovAddict> yep

22:00 <zombie67> OSX knows ipv6

22:00 <PovAddict> you appeared on my access log as 134.117.164.248

22:00 <zombie67> but I haven't set up anything special

22:00 <PovAddict> zombie67 appeared as 2002:1882:fed4:0:216:cbff:feb8:7c5e

22:01 <zombie67> heh

22:01 <MTughan> Yeah, I'd be very surprised if the university used IPv6.

22:01 <PovAddict> zombie67: it's not just the OS, all your networking hardware *and* your ISP has to support it

22:01 <MTughan> When did IPv6 support first appear, at least on the Windows side? 2000? 98?

22:02 <PovAddict> Vista, and there are manually-downloadable updates for XP and 2000

22:02 <zombie67> well, my wifi is an apple airport

22:02 <zombie67> so then as long as comcast supports it, I guess they do

22:03 <zombie67> but getting back to my point, teh scheme assumes that any credits WITHIN a project are granted equally.  So if you crank mine up to 10k, you would have to do the same for everyine

22:04 * PovAddict restores zombie67's credits

22:04 <PovAddict> hmm stupid caching

22:04 <zombie67> yeah

22:05 <PovAddict> there

22:05 <zombie67> there it is

22:05 <zombie67> 53

22:05 <PovAddict> it was granted on a 1-credit-per-WU scheme

22:06 <zombie67> do you have rac decay turned on?

22:06 <PovAddict> at the moment, the project is stopped, so no tasks run

22:07 <PovAddict> but it was running a few days ago

22:07 <PovAddict> lemme check RAC decay

22:07 <PovAddict> was disabled

22:07 <PovAddict> just ran

22:08 <PovAddict> what was your RAC before?

22:08 <zombie67> better

22:08 <PovAddict> (= 10 seconds ago)

22:08 <MTughan> 5.16.

22:09 <MTughan> 0.01 is probably better. ;)

22:14 <KathrynM> sorry about that.  kitty wanted to get into the action I guess.

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22:15 <PovAddict> lol

22:16 <PovAddict> I thought it was pretty funny

22:16 <PovAddict> she should have typed 'meow'

22:16 <KathrynM> lol

22:17 <KathrynM> I don't know how it happened, but she managed to log me out of my account.

22:17 <KathrynM> That's why I rejoined this morning.

22:17 <PovAddict> you should leave the session locked

22:17 <PovAddict> Ctrl-Alt-L on KDE

22:17 <PovAddict> Win+L on Windows

22:18 <KathrynM> yeah, I probably should start doing that.

22:19 <KathrynM> I'm just lazy like that

22:19 <KathrynM> I'm gonna go finish watching this show on the Challenger disaster.

22:19 <KathrynM> laters

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22:57 <jasong> I'm trying to come up with a list of really disturbing images that aren't technically offensive.  So far, I've come up with two, the David Hasselhoff infinite zoom graphic and a picture of Rosie O'donnell in submission gear in that horrible movie that I can't remember the name of.

22:58 <Soul_keeper> jasong,  http://sterlingdesktops.com/Stocks/   i've got a few mixed in there

22:58 <Romulus> Title: Index of /Stocks (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:58 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/randompics/   here too

22:58 <Romulus> Title: Index of /randompics (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:59 <Soul_keeper> jasong, is this what you want ?   http://sterlingdesktops.com/randompics/batcock6al.jpg

22:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dddshz> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

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