IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-03-22

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01:00 <efc> hate it when these dance dance revolution type games aren't in sync with the music

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01:28 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/wesnoth/

01:28 <Romulus> Title: Wesnoth Maps (at sterlingdesktops.com)

01:32 <Soul_keeper> two people killed at a stampede to see the pope ...

01:34 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKPwkau0Dh0

01:34 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Lightning Strikes Tree: Up Close! (at www.youtube.com)

01:40 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FYJcKMONvQ

01:40 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - How to build an Atom Bomb (at www.youtube.com)

01:44 <Soul_keeper> you're welcome

01:46 <MTughan> lol @ 50lbs of plutonium. xD

01:46 <Soul_keeper> walmart :)

01:46 <Soul_keeper> your local terrorist organization

01:48 <MTughan> And 100lbs of TNT from your local Rona.

01:49 <efc> Perhaps somehow you could use lightning as the trigger

01:49 <MTughan> No, too unpredictable.

01:49 <Soul_keeper> nice touch using the old computer case tho :)

01:50 <MTughan> Did you notice the old iMac box up above?

01:50 <MTughan> The one with the big Apple on it.

01:50 <MTughan> That could've worked, although the CRT mechansim possibly could've gotten in the way.

01:50 <Soul_keeper> no, i ignore apples

01:51 <Soul_keeper> well an imac would be seen as less threatening maybe ...  could get past places.  they'd think you are a tree hugger

01:51 <MTughan> xD

01:51 <MTughan> Not with that sucker. That was a G3 one. Probably released around 1999.

01:51 <MTughan> Still used a CRT.

02:03 <Soul_keeper> so lincoln apparently shared a bed and toothbrush with another man for 4yrs

02:18 <efc> toothbrushes were expensive back then

02:21 * efc listens to California Soul

02:23 <Soul_keeper> I was watching the history channel georgia efc

02:25 <Soul_keeper> are toothbrushes expensive in georgia ?  :)

02:25 * Soul_keeper wanders off

02:25 <efc> Most people use em

02:26 <efc> The sellouts

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03:17 <MTughan> For all BSG fans: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090322

03:17 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cp8kne> (at ars.userfriendly.org)

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03:22 <Soul_keeper> <Soul_keeper> atleast it's not written in python or java ... i give it that

03:22 <Soul_keeper> <aceofspades19> rtorrent ftw

03:22 <Soul_keeper> <Urchlay> actually I used to use azureus for a long time, and mostly it was OK, java or not

03:22 <Soul_keeper> <aceofspades19> Soul_keeper: don't insult python

03:22 <Soul_keeper> <aceofspades19> I'll fight you to the death

03:22 <Soul_keeper> <Soul_keeper> aceofspades19, lol

03:22 <Soul_keeper> <Urchlay> heh. /me puts on his perl gang colors. Represent!

03:22 <MTughan> Python isn't a bad language.

03:23 <MTughan> But Perl FTW. :P

03:23 <Soul_keeper> <aceofspades19> comparing python to java is like comparing a ferrai to a station wagon

03:23 <Soul_keeper> <antler> aceofspades19: yeah, i tried rtorrent. with it, i couldn't set it and forget it--too much manual stuff

03:23 <Soul_keeper> <Soul_keeper> wasn't comparing them, just lumping them into the "unneeded junk pile"   sorry bout that

03:24 <Soul_keeper> it's my job to hate things, makes me feel warm inside

03:25 <MTughan> lol

03:26 <Soul_keeper> did you know they made java/python cuda api's now ...

03:26 <Soul_keeper> makes me sick

03:26 <MTughan> A Python CUDA API? Ow...

03:26 <Soul_keeper> i think so

03:27 <Soul_keeper> ok it's  "java bindings"   whatever that means

03:27 <Soul_keeper> http://apps.sourceforge.net/wordpress/jacuzzi/

03:27 <Romulus> Title: SourceForge.net: Project jacuzziSourceForge.net: project jacuzzi (at apps.sourceforge.net)

03:28 <MTughan> Good... Campus safety outside now. Someone lit a fire on a concrete pathway between two buildings here.

03:28 <MTughan> Sounded like a molotov cocktail.

03:29 <Soul_keeper> cool

03:29 <efc> Marshmellow toast

03:31 <MTughan> No, they didn't toast anything. Threw it down, looks like they posed for a couple pictures, then left.

03:33 <efc> ran out of marshmellows

03:33 <MTughan> If we had any marshmallows, I would've shot them at them. :P

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06:12 <Urvabara_> Hi! I have the latest Debiab VM.

06:12 <Urvabara_> Debian.

06:13 <Urvabara_> It does not have BOINC server software.

06:13 <Urvabara_> At least, I didn't find it.

06:13 <Urvabara_> How can I install it?

06:36 <PovAddict> server VMs are for the lazy

06:37 <PovAddict> I'd help you, but it's 7 am (I hadn't seen this time on a clock in a long time)

06:38 <PovAddict> something caused the DVD player to turn on... and it was loud

06:38 <PovAddict> I think it was some kind of power surge

06:41 <Urvabara_> I am the lazy.

06:41 <Urvabara_> Pleaaaaaaaaaze.

06:41 <PovAddict> meh

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07:01 <XioNYC> `yum install boinc-client`

07:02 <XioNYC> Failing that, `./configure && make && sudo make install`

07:02 <Urvabara_> Is that the server software?

07:02 <XioNYC> `yum install boinc-server`

07:02 <Urvabara_> Ok.

07:03 <XioNYC> .o0( ... )

07:04 <Urvabara_> "bash: yum: command not found"

07:05 <XioNYC> ...and I'd suggest that if you're going to use BOINC server on Debian, you should first learn Debian.

07:06 <Urvabara_> It'll take forever...

07:06 <PovAddict> heh, debian has no yum

07:07 <XioNYC> Thank you, PovAddict, for explaining to our lazy friend the problem.

07:07 <Urvabara_> Oh bouncing bosons; I'll never get my thesis done...

07:07 <PovAddict> Urvabara_: dont even think you can admin a server without taking time to learn

07:08 <XioNYC> Get the source code.  Compile it.  Fail the compile a few times.  Learn from it.

07:08 <Urvabara_> I only got to get the soft working.

07:08 <Urvabara_> Then someone else will host it...

07:08 <XioNYC> Thesies are *not* supposed to be so easy that the laziest among us can do them (otherwise I'd be a Ph.D)

07:09 <PovAddict> and once the server is running, then what?

07:09 <XioNYC> Maybe getting the server running is enough.

07:09 <PovAddict> doing stuff with that working server needs learning too, or will someone else create workunits?

07:10 <Urvabara_> I already know something about creating workunits...

07:10 <XioNYC> .o0( There's such a thing as team thesies? )

07:10 <Urvabara_> What's that .oO?

07:10 <XioNYC> That's me thinking.  Aloud.

07:11 <PovAddict> like clouds in comics

07:11 <Urvabara_> It seems that there is really zero chance for me to get things working...

07:12 <XioNYC> (1) Must it be BOINC server? (2) Must it be Debian?

07:13 <Urvabara_> 1. Yes, 2. No, but Debian is the only VM server out there, right?

07:13 <Urvabara_> Ubuntu would be easier for me, but I do not know...

07:14 <PovAddict> I doubt the boinc server VM will make things any easier

07:14 <PovAddict> use the Linux distro you're more comfortable with

07:15 <XioNYC> I think having *real* hardware (even a cruddy 'ol P2) will do you far better, and if *buntu floats your boat then use it.

07:15 <PovAddict> uh, Ubuntu and Debian are essentially the same, ignoring the GUI

07:15 <XioNYC> And, no, "yum" won't fly on *buntu either.

07:16 <Urvabara_> "apt-get" it is.

07:16 <XioNYC> You'll most likely have to go through the configure/compile/install.

07:17 <PovAddict> do you have Apache/PHP/MySQL already?

07:17 <XioNYC> I have a nagging suspicion that *buntu will have binaries for BOINC client in apt-get, but not BOINC server.

07:18 <PovAddict> I think there is a package but it is insanely old

07:18 <XioNYC> &whatis Ubuntu

07:18 <Romulus> XioNYC: Error: No factoid matches that key.

07:18 <Urvabara_> PovAddict: Yes.

07:18 <XioNYC> &whatis linux

07:18 <Romulus> XioNYC: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.2.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

07:19 <XioNYC> Aha: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/ubuntu-server-7.04-i386-boinc.zip

07:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d4pec2> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

07:20 * XioNYC pats Romulus on the head

07:20 <XioNYC> Good lil' bot.

07:21 <PovAddict> heh, 2 year old Ubuntu

07:22 <XioNYC> He *did* say "lazy"... y'get what y'ask for.

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08:13 <xcamel> 'lo

08:16 <CoderForLife> hi

08:17 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

08:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 32.7F / 0.4C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.34in / 1027.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 40s. East winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. (1 more message)

08:17 <CoderForLife> &more

08:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: East winds 5 to 10 mph.;

08:18 <xcamel> 60's eh?

08:18 <CoderForLife> seems so

08:18 <xcamel> not here.

08:19 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:19 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 32.7F / 0.4C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.37in / 1028.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 19. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Colder with highs in the (1 more message)

08:19 <xcamel> &more

08:19 <Romulus> xcamel: lower 30s. North winds 15 to 20 mph.;

08:19 <CoderForLife> I've heard all kinds of claims out of the weatherfolks in the past

08:19 <xcamel> http://www.nypost.com/seven/03222009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/so_sayeth_the_teleprompter_160695.htm

08:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d4wm6p> (at www.nypost.com)

08:25 <CoderForLife> bbl

08:26 <xcamel> buh by

08:30 <PovAddict> &wx eze

08:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 74°F / 23°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM ART; Clear. High:87 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:66 F.; Chance of Rain. High:87 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:64 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:87 F.; Clear. Low:66 F.;

08:43 <xcamel> sun came out a little..

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09:14 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

09:14 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 48.2F / 9.0C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with isolated showers. High in the mid 60s. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of showers 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of thunderstorms in the evening... then (1 more message)

09:14 <wdsmia> &more

09:14 <Romulus> wdsmia: thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the lower 50s. Southeast wind around 20 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 90 percent.; Monday - Windy. Thunderstorms likely. High in the mid 60s. Southeast wind 20 to 30 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 70 percent.;

09:15 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

09:15 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

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09:35 <ELGono> lo dudes

09:43 <xcamel> 'lo ElG

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10:50 <PovAddict> "Cryptographers use DMCA to construct a scenario where RIAA has to violate DMCA to prove someone is violating their copyrights"

10:53 <PovAddict> http://sysnet.ucsd.edu/projects/staple/

10:53 <Romulus> Title: staple / unstaple (at sysnet.ucsd.edu)

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11:36 <xcamel> re-hi

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12:47 <Soul_keeper> good work !

12:55 <MTughan> What the...

12:55 <MTughan> 3/22/2009 12:54:13 PM|World Community Grid|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.  Requesting 380613 seconds of work, reporting 13 completed tasks

12:55 <MTughan> 3/22/2009 12:54:14 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site

12:55 <MTughan> 3/22/2009 12:54:19 PM|World Community Grid|Scheduler request failed: SSL connect error

12:55 <Soul_keeper> same here

12:55 <MTughan> Happened again.

12:56 <Soul_keeper> they are probably updating stats

12:56 <MTughan> Well, I can access WCG from the web.

12:56 <Soul_keeper> they update stats every 12hrs or so

12:56 <PovAddict> MTughan: can you access it with https?

12:56 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yes.

12:56 <PovAddict> weird

12:56 <Soul_keeper> just wait half an hour

12:56 <MTughan> Their front page is HTTPS.

12:56 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: "Statistics Last Updated:  3/22/09 12:05:57 (UTC) [4 hour(s) ago]"

12:57 <Soul_keeper> is that team stats or user stats ?

12:57 <MTughan> User stats.

12:57 <PovAddict> I don't see how stats can be remotely related to SSL errors on the scheduler...

12:58 <MTughan> "Statistics Last Updated: 3/21/09 23:59:59 (UTC) [16 hour(s) ago]" <- team stats

12:58 <Soul_keeper> ok, then could be them just switching something around.  appears team stats are updated once a day, user stats every 12hrs

13:01 <Soul_keeper> so how many points are needed to get a gold badge ?  200K ?

13:01 <MTughan> 90 days work.

13:01 <Soul_keeper> ahh

13:02 <MTughan> Bronze is 14 days, Silver is 45 days, Gold is 90.

13:02 <MTughan> There was one project they changed it for because WUs didn't come often, but I don't think it's active yet.

13:02 <MTughan> Active anymore, even.

13:08 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Looks like I got work from WCG somewhere in there.

13:09 <Soul_keeper> gpugrid was giving me some weird erorrs yesterday

13:09 <Soul_keeper> "canceled by server, redundant result"

13:10 <Soul_keeper> like somebody else already did it, so they cancel me and give me no credit

13:10 <Soul_keeper> do you notice wcg consistently giving you less credits than requested ?

13:12 <Soul_keeper> 60.2 / 47.8      64.8 / 50.1      66.3 / 52.2

13:13 <MTughan> 122.4 / 101.9

13:13 <MTughan> I don't usually keep track of it, but yeah...

13:14 <MTughan> Got a couple of close ones, but none where granted is greater than claimed yet...

13:14 <MTughan> 78.3 / 87.5

13:18 <Soul_keeper> how come everytime i tell someone  "good work" they get all confused ?

13:18 <Soul_keeper> i don't get it ...

13:18 <MTughan> Where?

13:18 <Soul_keeper> 67.0 / 74.8     ohhh i found one granted higher than claimed :)

13:19 <Soul_keeper> just randomly, like someone helping a noob with X   i'll be like      "good work"   then they wanna ask me questions like   "how do you mean"

13:19 <Soul_keeper> can't just take compliments i guess :)

13:20 <MTughan> lol

13:21 <Soul_keeper> they'd prolly ban me if i gave too many compliments

13:21 <Soul_keeper> just got silver on HFCC

13:22 <MTughan> Are you doing HFCC exclusively?

13:22 <Soul_keeper> HFCC and that clean energy one

13:22 <Soul_keeper> but basically just HFCC for 2 weeks or so

13:22 <MTughan> I'm sort of late to the game... Just got silver on FAAH and HPF a couple days ago.

13:23 <MTughan> And bronze on HCC.

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13:23 <Soul_keeper> still bronze on clean energy project

13:27 <Soul_keeper> http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/challenge/viewTeamChallenge.do?challengeId=1889   Ha !  13th place, can't catch 12th by the end of the month, that team is too fast

13:27 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d3ndxz> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

13:27 <MTughan> I just turned off all projects except for FAAH and HPF. See if I can't get those to gold.

13:27 <MTughan> "The page you requested is not available"

13:27 <Soul_keeper> Human Proteome Folding - Phase 2  2,572,577

13:29 <Soul_keeper> if you select all projects the majority seem to come from  FAAH, HCC, and HPF   with a few dengue ones here and there

13:29 <Soul_keeper> in the order for me atleast

13:29 <MTughan> Yep, that seems about right.

13:29 <MTughan> I've seen a couple nutritious rice ones too.

13:30 <Soul_keeper> you couldn't view that team challenge http ?

13:31 <MTughan> No.

13:32 <Soul_keeper> https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=6X7H03S3R1    what about this one ?

13:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/chzyk2> (at secure.worldcommunitygrid.org)

13:32 <MTughan> Team linuxsociety.

13:32 <Soul_keeper> that link is under    current challenges

13:33 <MTughan> And clicking on the challenge works there.

13:33 <MTughan> I think it uses the referrer then.

13:33 <Soul_keeper> prolly

13:34 <Soul_keeper> i'm tempted to build an athlon X3 am3 setup

13:35 <Soul_keeper> i figure it would cost   200 top of the line motherboard, 150 cpu, 100 memory, 100 good video card

13:36 <MTughan> A Phenom II X3?

13:36 <Soul_keeper> yeah

13:36 <Soul_keeper> the 720 i believe

13:36 <MTughan> That's a BE, right?

13:36 <Soul_keeper> cheapest X3

13:36 <Soul_keeper> the new 45nm ones

13:37 <Soul_keeper> i figure foot in the door with X3, then the motherboard would support an X4 when they release one that can beat a c2Q

13:38 <MTughan> The Phenom II X4 940 can clock high.

13:38 <MTughan> But yeah, nothing from AMD can touch the i7's yet...

13:38 <Soul_keeper> yeah, but the 940 still isn't definitively better than a Q9450

13:39 <Soul_keeper> i'd hold out for a black edition 945 or 955

13:40 <Soul_keeper> i got this theory that WCG runs better on amd's

13:41 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131363    that's basically the best amd motherboard on the market right now

13:41 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b5d87w> (at www.newegg.com)

13:41 <MTughan> Going to DDR3?

13:41 <Soul_keeper> I would

13:42 <Soul_keeper> at the very least ddr3 would use less watts,  i don't see a need for more than 4 or 6GB anyways

13:42 <Soul_keeper> i hear AMD's next chipset the 8-series will support 32GB of mem

13:42 <Soul_keeper> due out in the fall

13:47 <Soul_keeper> http://tomshardware.com/   said they are hiring, looking for a couple people to write articles

13:47 <Romulus> Title: Tom's Hardware: Hardware News, Tests and Reviews (at tomshardware.com)

13:48 <Soul_keeper> apparently contract work :)

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14:06 <Soul_keeper> lol MTughan forums post    "modprobe nvidea"   "FATAL: Module nvidea not found. "     "After working feverishly for several days,"

14:06 <MTughan> :P

14:07 <Soul_keeper> funny stuff

14:07 <Soul_keeper> i hope everyone doesn't become a lindows user ...

14:11 <Soul_keeper> then someone offers help to edit his xorg.conf     "  Driver      "vesa"

14:11 <Soul_keeper> #  Driver      "nvidea"

14:11 <Soul_keeper> "

14:11 <Soul_keeper> completely overlooked the typo

14:12 <Soul_keeper> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=202781

14:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cqdm4p> (at forums.fedoraforum.org)

14:12 <Soul_keeper> lol

14:13 <Soul_keeper> "don't take life too seriousely, none of us get out of it alive anyways" --forget who

14:14 <MTughan> It was on that video last night. He quoted someone.

14:14 <MTughan> It's a great quote. xD

14:17 <MTughan> This it? http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2179

14:17 <Romulus> Title: Don't take life too seriously; you'll never get out of it alive. by Elbert Hubbard (at www.quotedb.com)

14:20 <Soul_keeper> <Soul_keeper> run your  xorgconfig  or whatever they call it these days

14:20 <Soul_keeper> <Vinterbound> when I try xorgconfig it says 'command unfound'

14:21 <Soul_keeper> nice

14:22 <Soul_keeper> woohoo raining outside !

14:22 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

14:22 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 56.7F / 13.7C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Chance of showers in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Highs 56 to 61 in the western valleys to 50 to 55 near the foothills. Light winds becoming west 15 to 20 mph with gusts to 30 mph in (2 more messages)

14:26 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: http://failblog.org/2008/09/29/politeness-fail/

14:26 <Romulus> Title: Politeness Fail FAIL Blog: Pictures and Videos of Owned, Pwnd and Fail Moments (at failblog.org)

14:27 <Soul_keeper> in a perfect world a 1 dollar tv dinner would fill me up ...

14:27 <xcamel> 'elo

14:28 <Soul_keeper> lol

14:28 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm off to lunch... Just gonna let REM finish their song. ;)

14:45 <turboninjalover> Soul_keeper:

14:45 <PovAddict> turboninjalover: will you stop doing that?

14:46 <PovAddict> he has you on ignore, so you're annoying everyone except him

14:46 <turboninjalover> but we are gay lovers

14:46 <PovAddict> that's off-topic to this channel

14:47 * CoderForLife looks in

14:48 <CoderForLife> hmm

14:50 <turboninjalover> Soul_keeper sucked my cock

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14:53 <CoderForLife> let's get on topic turboninjalover

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14:57 <CoderForLife> I've got better things to do

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15:06 <Soul_keeper> sorry bout that

15:07 <PovAddict> his fault, not yours

15:11 <MTughan> Ah least CFL was active at the time..

15:13 <Soul_keeper> I was thinking skynet from terminator must have been a distributed computing project gone arry

15:14 <CoderForLife> yep

15:14 <CoderForLife> but what a software distribution system

15:14 <MTughan> Hmm... Any particular reason the top processes using VM on my OS X machine are all 64-bit programs? :P

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15:24 <CoderForLife> I'm going big game hunting for dinner food - bbiab

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15:24 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

15:24 <CoderForLife> wb xcamel

15:24 <xcamel> hi

15:25 <xcamel> guess I missed the putz

15:25 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

15:25 <CoderForLife> I kicked him for now

15:25 <PovAddict> yeah, I /msg'd xcamel and wdsmia, forgetting CoderForLife had ops too

15:26 <CoderForLife> my first kick... =)

15:26 <CoderForLife> anyways - off In Search Of food

15:26 <CoderForLife> laterz

15:31 <xcamel> good shot.

15:34 <xcamel> &wx 12074

15:34 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 37.8F / 3.2C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 11.0mph / 17.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Cold with lows around 18. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Colder with highs in the mid 30s. North winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. (1 more message)

15:34 <xcamel> &more

15:34 <Romulus> xcamel: Cold with lows around 18. North winds 10 to 15 mph.;

15:34 <xcamel> unnecessarily cold out.

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16:12 <XioNYC> Is there any way to determine the average credit a CPU gets per WU (aside from whipping out a calculator)?

16:14 <Punky260> don't think so

16:15 <MTughan> I think I did a spreadsheet once. :P

16:18 <CoderForLife> I don't think the weather cares about your opinion, xcamel =)

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16:19 <Soul_keeper> XioNYC  what project ?

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16:34 <Soul_keeper> ok

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16:42 <XioNYC> Any project, actually.

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16:45 <Soul_keeper> the answer is yes :)

16:48 <jasong> In reference to something said about 3 hours ago, almost everything runs better on AMDs, assuming there's a version specifically for AMD.  That's true even if there's a version optimized for Intel out there as well.  AMD makes better chips, but all the programs are optimized for Intel.  If an AMD optimized app exists, and proper time has been given to it by a good programmer, AMD is almost always better

16:49 <jasong> It's true for LLR, too

16:49 <XioNYC> Soul_keeper: Does it involve scraping data off of the project's show_host_detail.php and plugging it in Excel/gnumeric/oleo?

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16:49 <sethy> hais

16:49 <MTughan> jasong: I believe Chuck has said that recently, Intel procs have been better with ints, which AMD's are better with floating point.

16:49 <Soul_keeper> XioNYC, that's an option i suppose

16:50 <Soul_keeper> i was thinking a perl script to do it

16:51 <XioNYC> Hmm... :-/  I wasn't looking to spend the day programming...

16:51 <XioNYC> Oh, well - copy-n-paste time.

16:51 <XioNYC> Thanks, Soul_keeper

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16:56 <death_> small question after installing a server on a vm and booting up boinc on a client the uppercase project tell me output file <tasknumber>_0 for taks <tasknumber> absent anybody seen this problem before i'm making some common mistake ?

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17:07 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [01:16:440] 01 - Country_Club .:. Travis_Tritt .:. Country_Club .:. Track 1

17:08 <jasong> Hey, Soul_keeper, do you do anything with the souls, or do you just like collecting them? ;)  Or is it a religious reference? :)

17:09 <Soul_keeper> jasong, if i told you that would ruin the diabolical plan

17:13 <XioNYC> It's not like he keeps girl's ears in a bucket...

17:13 * XioNYC waits to see who gets the reference.

17:14 <Soul_keeper> :)

17:14 <Soul_keeper> i got that dvd somehwere

17:22 *** Soul_keeper is now known as Full_Throttle

17:22 <Full_Throttle> awww it's taken :(

17:22 <MTughan> xD

17:22 *** Full_Throttle is now known as Soul_keeper

17:23 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: it hasn't been used for almost two years; ask in #freenode and they may release it for you

17:23 <PovAddict> 2 years minus 2 days

17:24 <Soul_keeper> interesting

17:24 <PovAddict> /nickserv info Full_Throttle

17:24 <XioNYC> I thought nicks were nixed after 120 days?

17:24 <PovAddict> XioNYC: they never auto-expire

17:24 * XioNYC has learnt something new today.

17:25 <PovAddict> but after some time of no-use, it's easy to get a network operator to delete the registration

17:25 <MTughan> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#unusednick

17:25 <Romulus> Title: freenode: frequently-asked questions (at freenode.net)

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17:26 <XioNYC> Ah - One can ask for a dropped nick after 60 days.  My misinterpretation.

17:52 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEt8uYeLygg&feature=related

17:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dhbleq> (at www.youtube.com)

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19:24 <PovAddict> "Since you're guilty until proven innocent, you need to just STFU unless your lawyer thinks saying something will make things better."

19:24 <PovAddict> hmm I think that's not how it's supposed to work

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19:31 <KathrynM> moanin

19:36 <Soul_keeper> good work

19:44 <Soul_keeper> http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200802/deadlock.JPG

19:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/38esd5> (at img.thedailywtf.com)

19:46 <PovAddict> awesome

19:46 <PovAddict> if you look carefully, you'll see it really is a deadlock and not just too many cars

19:46 <PovAddict> for certain cars to move, others have to move out of the way first

19:46 <PovAddict> forming a cycle...

19:46 <KathrynM> somehow, seeing that in Korea wouldn't surprise me in the least

19:48 <BadBarbarian> evening all

19:51 <CoderForLife> hello BadBarbarian KathrynM

19:51 <KathrynM> how's my favorite Coder?

19:51 <CoderForLife> I can only answer for myself...

19:52 <CoderForLife> you mean little ol'me?

19:52 <BadBarbarian> hi

19:53 <KathrynM> I do mean lil' ol' you

19:53 <CoderForLife> =)

19:53 <CoderForLife> I'm OK - trying to kick this nagging cough

19:53 <KathrynM> why does Monday come around so quickly

19:53 <CoderForLife> I'm taking tomorrow "off"

19:53 <KathrynM> I'm innocent.  I didn't infect you with my germs.

19:54 <KathrynM> Now my two co-w*@#%ers, well, I might have gotten them sick

19:54 <CoderForLife> I got this from the missus, I believe - and I have no idea where she got it

19:54 <CoderForLife> must of created it in the kitchen

19:56 <KathrynM> evil mad scientist

19:56 <KathrynM> http://picasaweb.google.com/ksmarkspsych/Kitten#

19:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/am8yb8> (at picasaweb.google.com)

19:56 <KathrynM> for those interested

19:56 <KathrynM> feel free to suggest captions

19:59 <PovAddict> "It seems to be a trend though. Frikkin' soundcard drivers are over 30Mb offering me all kinds of "handy" stuff to position 81 speakers I don't have (I just want Windows to be able to play some MP3's and the default bling/bloing/plop sounds when something's going on)."

20:01 <CoderForLife> Photo 24: "I got a masters degree at the A-cat-emy only to fish here? What was I thinking?"

20:04 <CoderForLife> Photo 18: "Eye of the Tiger"

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20:06 <CoderForLife> time for a change in scenery - gn all

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20:07 <KathrynM> night

20:13 <MTughan> Two plane crashes today: one in Montana (killed at least 17), and one in Tokyo (killed 2).

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21:16 <xcamel> re-hi

21:17 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

21:31 <Soul_keeper> i'm completely stumped here,  i have 2 empty bios chips.  i'd like to burn a .ROM to them.  but the program that came with the .ROM refuses to burn them unless it detects a particular motherboard in the current system

21:31 <Soul_keeper> how do the pro's burn any image to any chip ?

21:34 <Soul_keeper> because i know i can go to badflash.com and order a bios chip of any kind with whatever image written to it i like them to

21:36 <Soul_keeper> if i pay 20 bucks plus shipping for a new bios, i might as well just buy a new motherboard

21:46 <Soul_keeper> for 30 bucks i can get a better motherboard ...

21:52 * Soul_keeper hears a cricket

22:08 <MTughan> Gah... Stupid gcc.

22:09 <MTughan> Complains that one file in an object archive is of the wrong architecture. It's complaining about another archive file in there, even though it contains all the right arch files.

22:09 <Soul_keeper> sounds like user error :)

22:10 <MTughan> It's not my error. The archive file is made by a Makefile.

22:10 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131288R   this is all i need for a complete system

22:10 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cs9ht7> (at www.newegg.com)

22:11 <Soul_keeper> did you try running ./_autoconf ?

22:11 <MTughan> And it's not BOINC.

22:14 <Soul_keeper> well what is it then ?

22:14 <MTughan> gmp-ecm. I compiled some a couple days ago for yoyo, finding some bugs in the process. Helping work through them.

22:15 <Soul_keeper> don't sound like something i wanna help you with, sorry

22:16 <Soul_keeper> http://www.komite.net/laurent/soft/ecm/ecm-6.0.1.html           this ?

22:16 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5wqc5w> (at www.komite.net)

22:16 <MTughan> Except a newer version, yeah.

22:16 <MTughan> 6.2.1 is stable, I'm helping work on the 6.2.2 release.

22:18 <Soul_keeper> ahh

22:18 <Soul_keeper> http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=135   then this ...

22:18 <Romulus> Title: INRIAGforge: GMP-ECM (Elliptic Curve Method): Liste de fichiers du projet (at gforge.inria.fr)

22:18 <MTughan> Yep.

22:21 <Soul_keeper> compiles fine here

22:21 <MTughan> You're not using OS X. :)

22:21 <Soul_keeper> :)

22:31 <MTughan> Anyone know what the all-recursive target in a Makefile does? I don't see a proper target for it, so I'm assuming it's a special target.

22:31 <PovAddict> all calls it

22:31 <PovAddict> it recurses on subdirectories having makefiles too

22:31 <MTughan> And where does it go after that?

22:31 <MTughan> Okay.

22:33 <PovAddict> all calls all-recursive; most -recursive targets run a shellscript that run make -C subdir <target name with -recursive removed>

22:33 <MTughan> Is AM_MAKEFLAGS something special too?

22:33 <PovAddict> so all -> all-recursive -> all on each subdirectory

22:34 <PovAddict> I don't have it set on my makefile apparently

22:34 <MTughan> Well, I'll give up on this... Was trying to find where a specific command was called from, but this is sort of a twisted mess.

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23:15 <Soul_keeper> ok so what exactely would the difference between  ddr3 1066  and ddr2 1066

23:15 <Soul_keeper> they aren't clocked at the same frequency and having the same bus width  right ?

23:15 <MTughan> DDR3 would take less voltage. Might also reduce latency slightly, although I'd be doubtful on that.

23:15 <Soul_keeper> no, the latencies are higher

23:16 <Soul_keeper> unless the clock frequencies are higher then it would be worse

23:16 <Soul_keeper> reason i ask is i found a 4GB kit of each, and they are exactely the same price

23:16 <Soul_keeper> and the comparable motherboards are only 5 bucks difference in price

23:17 <MTughan> Same manufacturer?

23:17 <Soul_keeper> no

23:17 <Soul_keeper> but both quality companies

23:17 <Soul_keeper> i'm just not understanding what the technical differences are between ddr3/ddr2 i guess

23:17 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm not sure either...

23:19 <MTughan> Read up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM

23:19 <Romulus> Title: DDR3 SDRAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

23:19 <Soul_keeper> comparing the wiki's now

23:19 <Soul_keeper> lol they are essentially identical

23:19 <Soul_keeper> i can see why nobody wants to get ddr3 now

23:19 <Soul_keeper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR2_SDRAM

23:19 <Romulus> Title: DDR2 SDRAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

23:19 <MTughan> Yeah. Seems that even though the timing numbers may be higher, the clocks are faster, so the latencies are essentially the same.

23:19 <Soul_keeper> look at the 1066's on both, identical

23:20 <Soul_keeper> peak bandwidth remains the same

23:20 <MTughan> Yep.

23:20 <MTughan> So if they're the same price, and you trust both companies, I'd say go for DDR3.

23:20 <Soul_keeper> and that's assuming latencies are the same

23:20 <Soul_keeper> the ddr3 would be slower

23:21 <Soul_keeper> because it has higher latencies when compared to most ddr2

23:21 <MTughan> Not necessarily. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM#Latencies

23:21 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2um56j> (at en.wikipedia.org)

23:21 <MTughan> "DDR3 latencies are numerically higher because the clock cycles by which they are measured are shorter; the actual time interval is similar to DDR2 latencies (around 10 ns)."

23:21 <Soul_keeper> yeah if you bump it up over 1066

23:22 <Soul_keeper> the only way to make the "clock cycles shorter" is to increase the MHz

23:22 <MTughan> Correct.

23:22 <Soul_keeper> my memory just kicked in on the subject

23:22 <MTughan> So how do older Intel processors increase the bus speed without increasing core speed?

23:22 <Soul_keeper> so    ddr2 1066  with  5-5-5  latencies is superior to   ddr3 1066  7-7-7

23:23 <Soul_keeper> you talking about when they had pci dividers ?

23:23 <MTughan> I don't know if memory modules use multipliers, but processors can speed up the FSB without speeding up the core speed.

23:23 <Soul_keeper> yeah they do that stuff fixed now

23:24 <Soul_keeper> anyways i learned something today

23:24 <Soul_keeper> ddr3 really is pathetic

23:24 <MTughan> Aha... "DDR3 modules can transfer data at a rate of 8001600 MHz using both rising and falling edges of a 400800 MHz I/O clock. In comparison, DDR2's current range of data transfer rates is 4001066 MHz using a 200533 MHz I/O clock, and DDR's range is 200400 MHz based on a 100200 MHz I/O clock."

23:24 <Soul_keeper> never bothered to pay attention to it

23:24 <MTughan> Actually, that doesn't mean anything... Nvm.

23:25 <Soul_keeper> yeah exactely the same mechanically, the idea is that ddr3 will clock higher

23:25 <MTughan> I do see "There is no corresponding reduction in latency, as that is a feature of the DRAM array and not the interface."

23:25 <Soul_keeper> not worth buying untill ddr3 is clocked so high that ddr2 can't possibly compete

23:26 <Soul_keeper> overall latency of the memory is not just    cas/ras latencies

23:26 <MTughan> So I'm not quite sure how DDR2 compares to DDR3 in that respect then. What two products did you find?

23:26 <MTughan> Well, if the DDR3 memory you found has a higher latency (which it seems it does), then those are lower quality chips than the DDR2 memory.

23:26 <Soul_keeper> it's a function of  clock and latenices    guess you'd call it access time.   the old memory for 486's and such would sale as   60ns  i believe

23:27 <MTughan> Because the interface itself doesn't affect latency times.

23:28 <Soul_keeper> all ddr3 has higher latencies it seems

23:28 <MTughan> For the same bandwidth speeds?

23:28 <Soul_keeper> Timing  5-5-5-15       for quality ddr2 1066  became   7-7-7-24 for ddr3 1066

23:29 <Soul_keeper> so essentially you'd have to overclock the ddr3 by 29% just to match the performance

23:29 <MTughan> I wonder... That could be a side effect of having to run the modules at lower voltage.

23:29 <Soul_keeper> ie: get   1333

23:29 <Soul_keeper> assuming those latency numbers didn't rise to  9-9-9-*

23:30 <Soul_keeper> sounds to me like they need another die shrink

23:30 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134718

23:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cnz6cv> (at www.newegg.com)

23:30 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146785

23:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6r53lz> (at www.newegg.com)

23:31 <Soul_keeper> exact same price to the penny, both quality companies.   yet the ddr2 is faster

23:31 <MTughan> Heh, the DDR2 kit is the one I have...

23:31 <Soul_keeper> i got the 2x1GB version of that kit now

23:31 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131350R

23:31 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dx7tmj> (at www.newegg.com)

23:32 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157130R

23:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cdlp5q> (at www.newegg.com)

23:32 <MTughan> Yeah, the DDR2 modules take 2.0-2.1V (I'm running at 2.14V IIRC), and the DDR3 takes 1.5V.

23:32 <Soul_keeper> just looking at the best deals newegg has

23:32 <MTughan> So running them at a lower voltage lower their capabilities.

23:32 <Soul_keeper> yeah

23:33 <Soul_keeper> untill they do another die shrink atleast

23:33 <Soul_keeper> which samsung said they'd start doing on the server mem soon

23:33 <MTughan> So it's a trade off. DDR3, lower power usage. DDR2, higher performance. Your choice.

23:33 <Soul_keeper> :)

23:34 <MTughan> And that's more knowledge I can't use... At least for a couple years. :P

23:34 <Soul_keeper> they'll have ddr5 by then

23:34 <MTughan> Heh. My video card already has GDDR5 memory.

23:35 <Soul_keeper> whatever is on your video card will be on the modules next

23:36 <Soul_keeper> i think my ancient voodoo5 had ddr800 ...

23:36 <MTughan> My old P4 had DDR-400 RAM.

23:36 <MTughan> Had 1GB of it, was way ahead of its time. xD

23:36 <Soul_keeper> well at the time the pc's had  pc100/133  with video cards having ddr

23:37 <MTughan> I think the standard was 128 or 256MB.

23:37 <Soul_keeper> think i'll wander off now

23:37 <MTughan> Bye.

23:40 <Soul_keeper> yeah ddr400*

23:49 <MTughan> KathrynM: What was your issue with 6.6.17? Kept downloading the same two images over and over?

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