IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-03-24

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01:39 <FreeLarry58> &quiet

01:39 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers

02:13 <efc> &8ball

02:13 <Romulus> efc: What are you asking me for?

02:50 <Tidus> &roulette

02:50 <Romulus> Tidus: *click*

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03:05 <FreeLarry58> &8ball is Romulus all knowing?

03:05 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: No clue.

03:06 <FreeLarry58> good answer

03:06 <FreeLarry58> &roulette

03:06 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: *click*

03:07 <Tidus> &roulette

03:07 <Romulus> Tidus: *click*

03:07 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

03:08 <FreeLarry58> moin yoyo[RKN]

03:10 <FreeLarry58> apperntly superlink still down

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03:23 <XioNYC> &roulette

03:23 <Romulus> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!

03:23 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.

03:23 * XioNYC always gets the laoded blank

03:24 <FreeLarry58> that's because Romulus shopps at the starter store

03:26 <FreeLarry58> i guess the ddos attackers forced superlink completely off line finally - and me with 7 units to upload and report

03:26 <FreeLarry58> cant even get thier web pages

03:28 <XioNYC> Think of it as PPC BOINCers' revenge.  But maliciously so, instead of grumblingly so.

03:28 <FreeLarry58> ppc?

03:28 <Romulus> Somebody said ppc is a waste of time now, FreeLarry58

03:28 <XioNYC> *BANG*

03:28 <XioNYC> x86?

03:28 <Romulus> Somebody said x86 is not interesting, it's for pussies :P, XioNYC

03:29 <XioNYC> I must have a word with this Somebody person...

03:29 <XioNYC> ...and you watch your mouth, you damn dirty bot!

03:30 * FreeLarry58 looks over at somebody and stocade and wonders how they using thier hands

03:33 <Tank_Master> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fail-owned-price-tag-placement-fail.jpg

03:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4l9d79> (at failblog.files.wordpress.com)

03:35 <FreeLarry58> oh the joys of not being able to read

03:35 * FreeLarry58 gets fork and spoon ready

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03:56 <XioNYC> Cooking Humans

03:56 <XioNYC> Cooking for Humans

03:56 <XioNYC> Cooking forty Humans

03:57 <XioNYC> Cooking for forty Humans

03:57 <XioNYC> Dust accumulates on the book cover like you wouldn't believe

04:42 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 47.4F / 8.6C | Humidity: 32% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then cloudy with showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to (1 more message)

04:42 <CoderForLife> &more

04:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 25 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Showers...mainly in the morning. Colder with highs in the lower 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

04:43 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

04:43 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 43.7F / 6.5C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny...warmer. Highs 73 to 78. Winds east 15 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows 41 to 50. Light winds.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. Highs 73 to 78. Light winds.;

04:48 <CoderForLife> brb   emergency breakfast

04:59 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

04:59 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.44in / 997hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 9:50 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Snow. High:42 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.;

05:03 <Soul_keeper> hmmm they sale dell P4 systems for 100 bucks now

05:07 <efc> moo

05:16 <CoderForLife> moo

05:18 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

05:19 <efc> yuck

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05:52 <ELGono> moo dudes

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06:15 <CoderForLife> moo ELGono

06:17 <CoderForLife> offen to verken - laterz

07:01 <hawmps> mornin

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10:22 <zombie67> what is the command for windows to update the DNS info?

10:22 <zombie67> something flush?

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10:34 <hawmps> hmmm... dunno

10:34 <hawmps> ipconfig /flush?

10:34 <MTughan> zombie67: ipconfig /flushdns

10:34 <MTughan> Close Jay. :P

10:35 <PovAddict> I always forget if it's flushdns or dnsflush

10:36 <MTughan> OS X Leopard: dscacheutil -flushcache

10:36 * PovAddict created an up-to-date readahead file

10:36 <zombie67> thanks!

10:36 <PovAddict> should load all the needed KDE files into disk cache before I type my password :)

10:36 * PovAddict has to reboot, to sync his clock to BIOS

10:37 <MTughan> Apparently, restarting the nscd daemon under Linux refreshes the DNS cache.

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10:37 <MTughan> Either through "service nscd restart" or "/etc/init.d/nscd restart"

10:40 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

10:41 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

10:41 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1001hPa | Conditions: Light Snow Showers | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 3:20 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Snow. High:42 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.;

10:41 * yoyo[RKN] needs cappucino

10:42 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

10:42 <yoyo[RKN]> booting cappu system

10:43 <zombie67> crap

10:43 <zombie67> with the new IP at superlink

10:43 <zombie67> requires ipconfig /flushdns

10:43 <zombie67> quuitting/restarting BOINC is not enough

10:43 <zombie67> requires rebooting as well

10:43 <zombie67> my BRUP tasks will LOVE that

10:43 <MTughan> Like I said, because the TTL value for their domain is abnormally high.

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10:44 <zombie67> my point is that a reboot is required to get BOINC to see it

10:44 <PovAddict> logging in was substantially faster after the readahead

10:46 <zombie67> why won't BOINC see the new DNS for the project, even after a quit/start?

10:46 <zombie67> I mean IP address

10:46 <PovAddict> $ nslookup projecthostname

10:46 <MTughan> PovAddict: Windows.

10:46 <PovAddict> is it the new IP? :)

10:46 <zombie67> I did that.  Windows sees the new address

10:46 <zombie67> yes

10:47 <MTughan> Oh, that is a Windows command... nvm

10:47 <PovAddict> how is the Windows tool for DNS lookups called? :)

10:47 <PovAddict> zombie67: then restarting the core client should be enough... hmm

10:47 <zombie67> I opened a terminal and ran the command

10:47 <zombie67> it sees the we IP address

10:47 <zombie67> quit/restarted BOINC....no good

10:47 <zombie67> rebooted, now it works

10:53 <zombie67> Oh, BTW this same behavior is happening both on XP64 and Leopard OSX

10:54 <PovAddict> that's weird

10:54 <MTughan> Does curl keep its own DNS cache?

10:54 <PovAddict> BOINC has DNS cache problems, where it may keep the old IP

10:54 <PovAddict> yes MTughan

10:54 <PovAddict> but it goes away when you restart the client!

10:54 <zombie67> aparrently not

10:55 <PovAddict> there's nowhere it could be saving the cache...

10:55 <PovAddict> ok, today I'll try to code more and chat less...

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10:58 <yoyo[RKN]> oh, cappu system failure

10:58 <yoyo[RKN]> out of milk, out of coffee beans

10:59 <yoyo[RKN]> ahh

10:59 <yoyo[RKN]> and out of water

10:59 <zombie67> how can one be out of watter

10:59 <zombie67> ?

10:59 <zombie67> turn on tap

10:59 <MTughan> The cappucino machine is out of water.

10:59 <zombie67> ah

11:00 <PovAddict> ran out of all three at the same time?

11:00 <MTughan> * yoyo[RKN] needs cappucino

11:00 <MTughan> <yoyo[RKN]> booting cappu system

11:00 <PovAddict> lol booting

11:01 <yoyo[RKN]> the first time that all 3 ran out

11:01 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: does it support HTCPCP?

11:02 <yoyo[RKN]> HTCPC?

11:02 <PovAddict> &google rfc2324

11:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.16 seconds: RFC 2324 ( rfc2324 ) - Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol ...: <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2324.html>; RFC2324: <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt>; My Ideas: Make a coffee machine that talks rfc2324: <http://computingideas.blogspot.com/2008/06/make-coffee-machine-that-talks-rfc2324.html>; #hashtags - rfc2324: <http://hashtags.org/tag/rfc2324>; (2 more messages)

11:03 <yoyo[RKN]> the commands are not the problem, only the refil stuff is problematic

11:04 <PovAddict> well with that protocol it could send you email before it runs out of stuff :)

11:04 <PovAddict> (except RFC 2324 is an April Fools RFC)

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12:11 <zombie67> MT, what is TTL value?

12:11 <MTughan> What does the value represent, or what is it for Superlink?

12:12 <zombie67> the former.  the latter is 7 days, right?

12:12 <MTughan> The latter is 7 days, yep.

12:12 <MTughan> The TTL value represents the maximum time the DNS record can be stored on a server before updating it.

12:13 <zombie67> what is normal?

12:13 <MTughan> So if a DNS server updated its record just before the actual record was modified at the source, it'll take the TTL time until the record is updated again.

12:13 <MTughan> Usually I think it's 86400 seconds, or one day.

12:14 <zombie67> so changing it now won't help this time, but would help in for future changes, right?

12:14 <MTughan> You can't change the value.

12:15 <zombie67> I know I can't, I am going to ask the project to change it

12:15 <MTughan> Didn't they already?

12:15 <zombie67> they changed the IP address.  I am talking about having them changing the TTL value from 7 to 1

12:16 <zombie67> days

12:16 <Punky260> I think it's not very intelligent to do changes in something like that now.

12:16 <zombie67> [09:14]  <zombie67> so changing it now won't help this time, but would help in for future changes, right?

12:16 <MTughan> Ah. If they can do that, it'll take up to the current TTL time for it to change, but that'd probably be better.

12:17 <MTughan> TTL stands for Time To Live BTW. ;)

12:17 <zombie67> thanks.  I am going to copy/paste a lot of this.

12:17 <Punky260> yeah, but how often does the IP change for a project ?!

12:17 <zombie67> not frequently.

12:18 <MTughan> Nope, but it helps when you need to.

12:18 <zombie67> but when they do, like in this case, it can take up to a WEEK before we see it

12:18 <Punky260> Almost never ^^ -it was just because their university had internet problems

12:18 <zombie67> they had DDoS

12:18 <Punky260> mhh, ok that's right ....

12:18 <MTughan> Of course, if the DDoS'ers are using the DNS record to resolve the IP occasionally, that won't block them, but that's harder to deal with.

12:19 <zombie67> and I am thinking ahead.  What happens if the bad guys do it again with the new address?

12:19 <Punky260> Okay ... now I understand your idea behind it ^^

12:19 <zombie67> how does one look at the TTL value

12:19 <zombie67> ?

12:20 <MTughan> http://www.dnswatch.info/dns/dnslookup?la=en&host=cbl-link02.cs.technion.ac.il&type=A&submit=Resolve

12:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cykq6l> (at www.dnswatch.info)

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12:21 <zombie67> thanks MT!

12:21 <MTughan> np

12:21 <MTughan> And I have to be off now... Feel free to flash me at any point.

12:21 <MTughan> Oh, and zombie67: The TTL value is stored as seconds. Divide it by 86400 to find the days.

12:22 <zombie67> got it

12:22 <MTughan> (which is 60 * 60 * 24)

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12:29 <Soul_keeper> Ha! red head was flirting with me

12:30 <Soul_keeper> i'm a champion

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13:36 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/Stocks/Geitner.jpg

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13:56 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan: ?

13:56 <Romulus> It has been said that MTughan: is the transfers tab fully !@#&ing, yoyo[RKN]

13:58 <MTughan> Nice timeing yoyo[RKN]... Just got back.

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14:02 <yoyo[RKN]> do you remember how long the test ecm was running on your mac?

14:02 <MTughan> Your test?

14:02 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

14:02 <MTughan> I think it was about 56 minutes.

14:03 <yoyo[RKN]> on 32 or 64bit?

14:03 <MTughan> Uh... Good question.

14:03 <MTughan> I don't remember.

14:04 <Soul_keeper> good work

14:04 <MTughan> I would think 32-bit, because I think we were still trying to get the 64-bit compile.

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14:46 <Soul_keeper> http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=45&threadid=2287450&enterthread=y   xeon for 70 bucks cheaper than retail ...

14:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ceodrs> (at forums.anandtech.com)

15:26 <Soul_keeper> ./gpumeminfo

15:26 <Soul_keeper> Detected 1 GPU

15:26 <Soul_keeper> ^^^^ Device: 0

15:26 <Soul_keeper> ^^^^ Free : 346402816 bytes (338284 KB) (330 MB)

15:26 <Soul_keeper> ^^^^ Total: 536150016 bytes (523584 KB) (511 MB)

15:26 <Soul_keeper> ^^^^ 64.609308% free, 35.390692% used

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15:41 <Soul_keeper> so it appears gpugrid is only using about 180MB on my 9800GT

15:43 <Soul_keeper> ^^^^ Used : 60338176 bytes (58924 KB) (57 MB)           drops to 57 when suspended

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15:45 <Tank_Master> so a 256MB card should be sufficent

15:45 <Soul_keeper> seems so

15:45 <Soul_keeper> i'd test seti cuda, but their server is down

15:45 <Tank_Master> lol

15:45 <Soul_keeper> they have weekly downtime every tuesday for 4hrs now it seems

15:45 <Tank_Master> its tuesday

15:46 <Tank_Master> yep

15:46 <Soul_keeper> i'm glad i learned about cuMemGetInfo,  it pays to troll in the cuda chan :)

16:06 <Soul_keeper> ^^^^ Used : 278155264 bytes (271636 KB) (265 MB)             <- seti cuda

16:07 <Soul_keeper> ^^^^ Used : 189747200 bytes (185300 KB) (180 MB)     <- gpugrid

16:07 <Soul_keeper> so looks like seti would benefit from 512MB

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16:18 <Tank_Master> ok :)

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17:15 <PovAddict> hey mweltin

17:21 <mweltin> hey Pov

17:21 <Tank_Master> mweltin!

17:21 <mweltin> how is life in the fast lane?

17:23 <mweltin> Tank!

17:23 <mweltin> you coming downtown at all this week?

17:25 <MTughan> Dell Adamo has non-user replaceable battery. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/news.phtml/23004/24028/dell-adamo-battery-not-replaceable.phtml

17:25 <Romulus> Title: Dell Adamo battery not replaceable (at www.pocket-lint.com)

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17:32 <CoderForLife> home again

17:36 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:37 <CoderForLife> hello Michael

17:37 <Tank_Master> no, im not, y?

17:37 <Tank_Master> BadBarbarian!!!

17:37 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master

17:37 <Tank_Master> howdy CFL

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18:30 <CoderForLife> re-hi - din-din done

18:30 * CoderForLife looks way out the weather window

18:31 <CoderForLife> some rain approaching in Illinois

18:31 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 70.3F / 21.3C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5.3mph / 8.5km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a chance of showers this evening. Showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southeast winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Wednesday - Showers...mainly in (1 more message)

18:31 <CoderForLife> &more

18:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the morning. Highs in the lower 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Lows in the mid 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph...becoming east after midnight.;

18:31 <CoderForLife> they seem pretty sure about it

18:32 <CoderForLife> the arduino didn't come today =(

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18:44 <KathrynM> Happy Hump Day

18:45 <CoderForLife> hi KathrynM

18:45 * KathrynM yawns

18:45 <CoderForLife> Since I was @home yesterday, I wuz confuzed at w@#% today as to what day it wuz

18:50 <KathrynM> Understandable

18:50 <KathrynM> I had two meetings yesterday.  Talk about painful.

18:50 <KathrynM> Plus a dinner.

18:51 <KathrynM> I left here at 9:30 am and got back shortly after 9 pm.

18:51 <jasong> Has anyone ever heard of a board games called Settlers, or Settlers of [some odd word I can't remember that has two As in it]

18:51 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, check out what i made   http://sterlingdesktops.com/Stocks/Geitner.jpg

18:52 <jasong> ahh, found it, Settlers of Catan

18:53 <CoderForLife> heh

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19:08 <Tank_Master> this intel mobo

19:08 <Tank_Master> iI got is sweet

19:08 *** desti_T2 is now known as desti

19:08 <Tank_Master> no flooy, no IDE, no ps2, no serial, no parallel...

19:09 <Tank_Master> 5 sata, 10 USB, and dual onbled DVI connectors

19:10 <Soul_keeper> lol, i just figured it out.  I have an advantage in life now

19:10 <Tank_Master> oh?

19:10 <Soul_keeper> I have no plans or dreams that can be crushed

19:10 <MTughan> I have 6 SATA, 12 USB, two DVI connectors (video card, not onboard).

19:11 <MTughan> It does have IDE, Floppy, and PS/2 ports though... No serial or parallel I'm happy to say.

19:11 <Tank_Master> this has dual dvi onbord...

19:11 <Soul_keeper> what chipset ?

19:11 <MTughan> What GPU?

19:11 <MTughan> Sounds like a Nvidia.

19:12 <Soul_keeper> the latest linux kernel (released yesterday) adds support for the intel G4x integrated chipsets

19:12 <Tank_Master> no, its an intel mobo

19:12 <Tank_Master> so intel vid

19:12 <MTughan> What chipset?

19:12 <Soul_keeper> yeah intel stickers on the box make it cool ...

19:13 <Tank_Master> one sec...

19:13 <PovAddict> KathrynM: was it meetings with other teachers at w$%&?

19:13 <Punky260> It's just the future ... who needs IDE or floppy ? And even PS/2 is not up to date ...

19:13 <PovAddict> or with parents?

19:14 <MTughan> Punky260: Agreed. I only needed IDE because I kept my old DVD drives.

19:14 <MTughan> But they can easily be served by SATA now.

19:14 <PovAddict> I can't wait to get my new hard disk -.-

19:14 <PovAddict> and UPS

19:14 <Punky260> mhh, okay ... I have to say, my DVD-drive is IDE too. A very fast and silent one from Asus ...

19:15 <Soul_keeper> Punky260, you got a gtx260 ?

19:15 <Punky260> but I would change it if it fits not to the board

19:15 <MTughan> I actually still have a DVD reader only, not a burner. The second drive I have is a full burner.

19:15 <Punky260> yes, a XFX GTX260 Black Edition =)

19:15 <Punky260> MTughan: Same here =)

19:16 <MTughan> Punky260: Do you find it's faster than the burner at reading data?

19:16 <Soul_keeper> http://linuxsociety.org/gpumeminfo.c

19:16 <Tank_Master> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121357R <- thats the mobo I got

19:16 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cnwbbt> (at www.newegg.com)

19:16 <Punky260> mhh ... It's just the feeling, but I would say yes.

19:16 <Soul_keeper> that small program will tell you how much graphics mem you are using at any given time

19:16 <MTughan> A Q45...

19:17 <MTughan> Integrated X4500 graphics.

19:17 * CoderForLife blows a fuse, trips a breaker, and otherwise flames out

19:17 <CoderForLife> gn all

19:17 <MTughan> Night.

19:17 <Punky260> okay, I save it ...

19:17 <MTughan> Why do you have a fuse and a breaker on the same circuit?

19:20 <Tank_Master> gn CFL

19:20 <Tank_Master> chained togather?

19:21 <MTughan> That

19:21 <Punky260> Tank_Master: Board looks simpel ... but not bad ;)

19:21 <MTughan> That's how, not why.

19:21 <Tank_Master> I got it 1/2 off cus its boxed..

19:22 <Tank_Master> dont matter, im just using it t replace a mobo that died and selling the entire comp

19:22 <MTughan> What the... Win7 didn't change the time for DST.

19:22 <MTughan> No wonder I went to dinner early today.

19:22 <PovAddict> lol!

19:22 <Punky260> I just heard good thinks about "pure" intel boards ...

19:22 <PovAddict> I had issues with that

19:23 <PovAddict> Linux adjusted for DST instantly

19:23 <Tank_Master> the intel mobos are extreamly stable

19:23 <Tank_Master> crap for overclocking though

19:23 <PovAddict> but system clock is saved to hardware clock only on a clean shutdown

19:23 <Tank_Master> but they are better than they used to be

19:23 <PovAddict> I had a dozen "unclean" reboots since the clock got adjusted

19:23 <MTughan> Ah, possible...

19:23 <PovAddict> every time Linux loaded the incorrect system clock on boot

19:23 <Soul_keeper> is your bios time set right ?

19:24 <PovAddict> (which also messed up Linux's notion of UTC)

19:24 <Punky260> yeah, but the new Intel chips are very nice for overclocking too ...

19:24 <PovAddict> the solution was to do an ntp sync and then do a clean reboot to make it save to BIOS

19:24 <PovAddict> ...the idiot then assumed the BIOS clock *always* had a 620sec/day drift!

19:25 <MTughan> All right, time synchronized.

19:25 <Soul_keeper> well my system has a drift, the overclocking confuses things

19:25 <PovAddict> I had to delete the hw clock drift file

19:25 <PovAddict> (/etc/adjtime or something)

19:26 <MTughan> Uh... I suppose this is a known issue. BOINC crashed.

19:26 <MTughan> I changed the time, and it crashed.

19:26 <PovAddict> crashing isn't a known issue

19:27 <PovAddict> it's possible it stops computing for an hour, or immediately thinks apps crashed, or other strange behavior

19:27 <PovAddict> but a client crash is always a fixable bug

19:27 <MTughan> There. The daemon stopped the apps or something, but it still said they were running.

19:27 <MTughan> The manager did crash though.

19:27 <MTughan> It'

19:27 <MTughan> It's back on track.

19:28 <PovAddict> the apps thought "no heartbeat from client for 30 seconds, exiting"

19:28 <MTughan> Whose wise idea what it anyway to put the Enter key right by the apostrophe?

19:28 <Soul_keeper> yeah always exit boinc before adjusting system time,  it does odd things

19:29 <Soul_keeper> i heard some french guy is claiming he has the patent on Dvorak  says nobody can use it unless they pay him

19:30 <MTughan> Microsoft's gaming section is promoting a new piracy protection scheme. "Call it anything but DRM"

19:31 <PovAddict> lol

19:31 <PovAddict> got a link?

19:31 <PovAddict> piracy protection scheme: lower prices

19:31 <Soul_keeper> i heard the reason atom can't play blueray is because of drm

19:31 <Soul_keeper> it apparently chews up a lot of cpu cycles

19:32 <PovAddict> I heard of companies having "digital distribution" (pay the game, download the game)

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19:32 <MTughan> It's an ArsTechnica article where I saw it...

19:32 <Tank_Master> ?

19:32 <MTughan> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/microsoft-1.ars

19:32 <PovAddict> but downloading it costs the same as a physical CD

19:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dhdslq> (at arstechnica.com)

19:32 <Tank_Master> the ion plays blueray just fine

19:32 <PovAddict> even though there is no cost of making the CD, distributing it, leaving some money for the brick-and-mortar shop, etc

19:32 <Tank_Master> and that uses an atom

19:32 <Soul_keeper> not the recent article i just saw

19:32 <PovAddict> so it's just MORE PROFIT

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19:34 <jasong> I know everybody hates DRM(I do, too), but I think there are ways to make things work.  for instance, what about a physical key that you plug into a USB-type device to unlock the game?  When you sell the game, you pass on the key.  Maybe crackable, but I can't any obvious way to do it

19:34 <jasong> +see

19:34 <MTughan> Duplicate the partition on the USB drive?\

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19:35 <zombie67> http://www.theonion.com/content/news/everything_taking_too_long?utm_source=EMTF_Onion

19:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cjq8ky> (at www.theonion.com)

19:35 <PovAddict> jasong: USB dongles are really annoying stuff

19:35 <zombie67> "A CBS News/New York Times poll revealed Tuesday that Americans are split into three separate camps when it comes to the growing national frustration: Those who think everything is taking too long; those who think everything is taking too goddamn long; and a third fringe group that believes everything is taking fucking forever."

19:35 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:36 <Soul_keeper> maybe they can do like MS and have you call india and read them a 60 digit cd key, then they give you another 40 digit key or whatever and you activate it.  .... could do that everytime you play. it'd be fun

19:36 <jasong> No, the key is a physical key, with the drm hidden within.  You'd have to hack the key, not simply duplicate the data

19:37 <PovAddict> MTughan: not USB flash storage with a file in it

19:38 <PovAddict> a custom USB device that, for example, decrypts

19:39 <PovAddict> jasong: btw it's not a new idea

19:40 <PovAddict> there have been copy prevention dongles using the parallel port; that should let you know how old the idea is

19:41 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master, lol they removed the article on ION showing poor blue ray performance.  apparently nvidia contacted them and asked them to pull the article untill they can "recreate the environment" and test it themselves using the same titles

19:41 <PovAddict> caca de toro

19:42 <Tank_Master> ahh, I know the article ytour talking about

19:42 <Tank_Master> that was pulled a long time ago

19:43 <Soul_keeper> no follow up yet.  maybe it's a matter of drivers

19:45 <PovAddict> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=caca%20del%20toro

19:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cgk5o9> (at www.urbandictionary.com)

19:46 <Soul_keeper> excellent

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19:56 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you ever "touch danced" with another man ?

19:57 <MTughan> What?

19:59 <PovAddict> ...

19:59 <Soul_keeper> apparently that's not a common term, nm

19:59 <Tank_Master> o0?

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20:12 <efc> moo

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21:02 <xcamel> re-hi

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21:05 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

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21:23 <xcamel> &wx 12074

21:23 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 31.7F / -0.2C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.55in / 1034.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 20. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. Not as cool with highs in the upper 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast in the afternoon.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear in the (1 more message)

21:23 <xcamel> &more

21:23 <Romulus> xcamel: evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Not as cool with lows in the lower 30s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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21:58 <xcamel> laterz..

22:01 <jasong> Hey, on a US timezone map, what's that weird place in Arizona?

22:03 <jasong> hmmmm, It's a Daylight's savings time free zone, but who are the renegades

22:03 * jasong goes to Google, brb with the answer

22:04 <jasong> ah, Phoenix, Arizona must be filled with stubborn people(like my house)

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22:55 <jasong> Did I already mention what an "I am extremely" entry generates in Google's suggestions?

22:56 <jasong> Go to the actual Google search page and type that in without pressing Enter

22:56 <MTughan> "I am extremely afraid of Chinese people"?

22:56 <jasong> lol, yeah

22:56 <MTughan> I remember seeing that somewhere else...

22:56 <jasong> Failblog

22:56 <MTughan> Probably.

22:56 <PovAddict> worst of all

22:57 <PovAddict> that line keeps going up in the suggestion rank

22:57 <jasong> lol

22:57 <PovAddict> because of all the people posting "Okay, type in "I am extremely" into the google searchbar. One of the suggestions is "I am extremely terrified of chinese people". Why? Don't you find that hilarious?" in forums

22:57 <PovAddict> making that phrase even more frequent in the web

22:58 <XioNYC> Google-bombing.  In meme form.   >_<

22:58 <jasong> lol, I am part of an idiotic meme.

22:58 <MTughan> Considering this now gets posted on Jay's #boinc logs. :P

22:58 <jasong> Jay?

22:58 <Romulus> Jay are you hip deep in snow yet, jasong

22:59 <MTughan> xcamel

22:59 <jasong> ahhh

22:59 <jasong> What's his full first name?

22:59 * XioNYC starts singing "Meme-ory" from the famous off-cyberBroadway musical, "LOLCats"

22:59 <MTughan> Dunno. I know he's Jay Curtis though.

23:00 <jasong> ahhhh, I think I've seen him in Mersenne Forum

23:00 <MTughan> Really?

23:00 <jasong> Could be another Curtis, there are probably 100,000 of em

23:00 <MTughan> (BTW, I'm a recent addition to the mersenne forum, under jedirock ;) )

23:01 <jasong> But since it's another DCing forum, call it a theory

23:01 <jasong> nice

23:01 <MTughan> Helped Alex Kruppa fix gmp-ecm for Mac.

23:01 <jasong> yeah, when I do anything where I don't want to be tracked, I call myself Casper42.  I never realized it before, but there are a ton of hits for that username

23:02 <jasong> ahh, that's where I remember it from

23:02 <jasong> oh, and none of the hits are me, which is the reason I was so amazed

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