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01:17 <zombie67> did the script monkeys finally bring milkyway down?
01:17 <MTughan> No idea. Server's been down for a couple hours now.
01:19 <zombie67> Turns out I could have saved a LOT of money, Instead of two of the 4870s, I could have gone with a single 38xx.
01:19 <zombie67> I am getting only about 30k/day....they sit idle most of the time
01:20 <MTughan> It should be better once the GPU-only project is set up, but it has been like that recently for me too.
01:20 <MTughan> I was gettign 70-80K/day, now I'm only at 25-30K for MW.
01:20 <MTughan> When it's up, that is...
01:21 <zombie67> any news on when the project-staging mac apps will be BOINC-ized for PG?
01:21 <MTughan> I haven't worked on them recently... I probably can, although not tonight.
01:21 <MTughan> Too late.
01:22 <zombie67> just looking for news. not pushing
01:22 <zombie67> what's this I hear about GPUGRID doubling their credits?
01:23 <MTughan> I don't follow GPUGRID. Did they?
01:23 <zombie67> that's what's being said on my team's forum
01:32 <zombie67> Ah, see here. Posts 4, 5, 6, 9 11.
01:32 <Romulus> Title: Credits calculations (at www.ps3grid.net)
01:32 <zombie67> So,
01:32 <zombie67> we have to redistribute quite a bit of credits to the users in order to align to Seti factor as we were undercrediting.
01:32 <zombie67> First change is already in place.
01:32 <zombie67> People who returns results within 24 hours will receive 50% more credits. We might adjust these values in the future.
01:33 <zombie67> I wonder if that means they will retro-actively increase credits?
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08:04 <xcamel> 'lo
08:07 <ELGono> lo jay
08:10 <xcamel> mornin
08:18 <ELGono> surprised of progress of opensshd for windows
08:18 <ELGono> easy setup, workz great
08:27 <BadBarbarian> Mornin
08:28 <xcamel> &wx 12074
08:28 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 44.8°F / 7.1°C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Occasional rain. A chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Much cooler with the high in the upper 40s. North winds around 5 mph... becoming northeast this afternoon. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. (2 more messages)
08:28 <xcamel> &more
08:28 <Romulus> xcamel: Showers in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. The low in the mid 30s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west after midnight. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning. Breezy with the high in the mid 40s. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in (1 more message)
08:29 <xcamel> &more
08:29 <Romulus> xcamel: effect until 8:00 AM EDT on March 30, 2009;
08:32 <xcamel> seems einstein and mw are both frigged up.
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08:37 <xcamel> rain, rain.
08:42 <XioNYC> &wx LGA
08:42 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 42°F / 6°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.60in / 1002hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Rain and drizzle likely early this morning...then showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Areas of fog early this morning...then patchy fog this afternoon. Highs in the lower 50s. East winds 10 to 15 (2 more messages)
08:42 <XioNYC> &more
08:42 <Romulus> XioNYC: mph...becoming southeast this afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog in the evening. Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then a slight chance of showers after midnight. Breezy with lows in the lower 40s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers (1 more message)
08:42 <XioNYC> &more
08:42 <Romulus> XioNYC: in the morning. Windy with highs in the lower 50s. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;
08:42 <XioNYC> I guess I'd better head to the laundromat sooner rather than later... :-\
08:46 <xcamel> before it really starts raining...
08:48 <xcamel> pouring here now..
08:50 <Soul_keeper> good morning
08:50 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023
08:50 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 17°F / -8°C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Windy. Partly cloudy. Highs around 51 on the North Rim to around 74 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest 20 to 35 mph with gusts to around 55 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Windy. Partly cloudy. A slight (2 more messages)
08:50 <BadBarbarian> &more
08:50 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: chance of rain showers in the evening...a slight chance of rain and snow showers after midnight. No snow accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet after midnight. Lows around 22 on the North Rim to around 41 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 45 mph becoming light. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Monday - Much cooler. Mostly sunny in the morning (1 more message)
08:50 <BadBarbarian> &more
08:50 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 35 on the North Rim to around 62 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; High Wind Warning for Coconino County in effect until 9:00 PM MST on March 29, 2009; Fire Weather Warning for Coconino County in effect until 8:00 PM MST on March 29, 2009;
08:50 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977
08:50 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 53.2°F / 11.8°C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.24in / 990.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 64 to 69 in the western valleys to 68 to 73 near the foothills. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...becoming (1 more message)
08:51 <Soul_keeper> &more
08:51 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: cloudy. Patchy fog overnight. Patchy drizzle overnight. Lows 42 to 51. Light winds.; Monday - Cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Patchy drizzle in the morning. Highs 66 to 71. Light winds.;
08:51 <xcamel> damn... cold there..
08:51 <BadBarbarian> 7000 feet lol
08:51 <xcamel> yupper..
08:51 <BadBarbarian> grand canyon az
08:53 <xcamel> we got up to 68 yesterday. It was beautiful
08:54 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan
08:54 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 42Â°F / 6Â°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.35in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM KST; Chance of Rain. High:50 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:39 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 ° F.;
08:54 <KathrynM> rain, rain and more rain :/
08:55 <xcamel> spring, spring, and more spring.
08:55 <xcamel> ice is finally gone on my pond and the ducks are happy.
08:55 <KathrynM> yay
08:55 <xcamel> and the local geese
08:55 <KathrynM> holy heck is the cat hyper tonight
08:58 <KathrynM> she's literally crawling up the wals
08:58 <KathrynM> *walls
08:58 <xcamel> any word on when einstein or mw are coming back on line?
09:01 <KathrynM> nope
09:01 <KathrynM> new pics starting at 26
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09:16 <xcamel> still a cute kitty..
09:16 <KathrynM> thanks
09:18 * KathrynM dives into bed
09:18 <KathrynM> nighttol
09:19 <xcamel> buh-by
09:33 <Soul_keeper> lo
09:40 <CoderForLife> hi
09:40 <CoderForLife> did my Saturday AM errands this morning
09:43 <Soul_keeper> Ha!
09:43 <CoderForLife> Ah!
09:44 <Soul_keeper> http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2289580&STARTPAGE=1 I dunno about this guy, he won't stop
09:44 <Soul_keeper> I gotta learn how to be the bigger man and step down from confrontation with idiots somehow
09:46 <Soul_keeper> judging from his activity in another thread he won't stop and won't get/learn anything
09:47 <CoderForLife> he's just trying to cause trouble
09:47 <Soul_keeper> he got in an arguement with like 3 other people in another thread, said he was going to sleep. apparently woke up. took a few hours quoteing everything everyone else said and writing 1000's of words trying to rebunk everything
09:48 <Soul_keeper> I personally stop reading forum posts if they go past 1 paragraph or so, if it takes someone that much to say something then it's probably not worth saying
09:48 <Soul_keeper> 1. a source or cause of harm or failure.
09:48 <Soul_keeper> 2. an unconquerable opponent or rival.
09:48 <Soul_keeper> his signature says it all ...
09:51 <CoderForLife> yup
09:51 <CoderForLife> he's just keeping with his stated mission
09:56 <xcamel> opus writers
09:57 <Soul_keeper> "But I can tell you for fact both Apple and myself new about larrabee way before you did." he told a few people this, like he's some kinda insider lol
09:58 <Soul_keeper> anyways I guess I have to go do some work now
10:00 <Soul_keeper> later
10:01 <CoderForLife> hello Jay
10:01 <xcamel> i
10:01 <xcamel> er Hi even
10:02 <CoderForLife> conserving H's?
10:02 <xcamel> it went AWOL
10:02 <CoderForLife> heh
10:02 <CoderForLife> er, e
10:05 <xcamel> turned into a dreary day
10:07 <CoderForLife> periodic light rain here
10:07 <CoderForLife> the front came through at around 1 this morning
10:09 <xcamel> not even close here yet.
10:10 <xcamel> doing the 'home alone' thing today
10:21 <CoderForLife> can't make those womenfolk stay with you, eh? =)
10:21 <ELGono> mine is working on mathlab again
10:22 <ELGono> just finished synergy via ssh setup
10:22 <ELGono> now just my intellimouse from 1999 wont work on my thinkpad
10:23 <ELGono> it's recognized correctly driver working, but it won't move
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11:37 <xcamel> re-hi
11:37 <ELGono> re
11:42 <CoderForLife> -hi
11:55 <xcamel> if nothing else, the snow is almost all gone
12:00 <ELGono> yea we were tought again how storm and rain feels
12:00 <ELGono> just tops of surrounding mountains have a white cap
12:26 <CoderForLife> Seems like I need to snooze for awhile - bbl
12:27 <xcamel> I was just thinking the same thing..
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13:39 <tom_> hi folks, I'm trying do to some statistical analysis of published boinc-stats (host.xml), but I can't find any detailed information about the meaning of the different fields. any experts here?
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14:13 <ergZay> hi my boinc program is acting odd and im not certain of the cause of it
14:13 <ergZay> notably i have only one computation running but i have two cores
14:13 <ergZay> and its not getting anymore data
14:14 <ergZay> the two projects im on are seti@home and einstein@home
14:14 <ergZay> einstein@home has 3 data packs pending for upload but not uploading
14:14 <ergZay> and seti@home says there are no jobs available which doesnt seem right
14:15 <ergZay> and when einstein@home tries to update it says this
14:15 <ergZay> Sun Mar 29 14:10:11 2009|Einstein@Home|Project file upload handler is missing
14:15 <ergZay> is anyone here?
14:16 <PovAddict> Einstein fileserver had hardware problems
14:16 <PovAddict> and SETI indeed has no work
14:18 <ergZay> hmm
14:18 <ergZay> time to find myself a new project
14:19 <PovAddict> it's rare for einstein to have that kind of trouble :)
14:19 <ergZay> seti has no work for their main project OR their asropulse?
14:19 <ergZay> astropulse*
14:20 <ergZay> and do you know by chance what Astropulse v5 is in their prefrences section of what data you want to accept
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14:24 <ergZay> is something up with the boinc website
14:24 <ergZay> its loading very slowly on my machine currently
14:24 <PovAddict> seems slow indeed
14:25 <ergZay> well seeing as i cant get to the wiki
14:26 <ergZay> PovAddict: maybe you can answer, what are optimized data?
14:26 <ergZay> and how do you do them
14:26 <MTughan> xcamel: Does Rommie need to be sitting on #boinc_dev?
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14:44 * CoderForLife gets up from his nap
14:44 <CoderForLife> what's the problem with Rommie and boinc_dev MTughan?
14:45 <CoderForLife> You want your bot there?
14:45 <MTughan> <PovAddict> maybe privacy reasons? it's not publicly shown on the website either -> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080/boinctest/show_host_detail.php?hostid=8
14:45 <MTughan> * PovAddict sits on the bot
14:45 <Romulus> Title: Computer 8 (at tinyurl.com)
14:45 <MTughan> o_O
14:46 <MTughan> <SkaveRat> Romulus is quite an annoing bot o.o
14:46 <PovAddict> ^ that
14:46 <PovAddict> he keeps doing annoying stuff with links :P
14:46 <MTughan> Maybe just set him to not read links on #boinc_dev, and that'd improve him.
14:46 <CoderForLife> Oh - Rommies making your private links into tinyutls?
14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> wb MTughan
14:46 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo
14:47 <PovAddict> making tinyurl links, or posting the page's title, or giving factoids... just annoyances
14:47 <yoyo[RKN]> have now ubuntu64+boinc running from usb stick
14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> but with boinc 6.4.5 I could not attach to any project and also the projectlist was empty
14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> has to downgrade to 6.2.15
14:50 <MTughan> &config plugins.web.titleSnarfer.#boinc_dev False
14:50 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You don't have the #boinc_dev,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
14:50 <MTughan> That would do it.
14:52 <ergZay> could someone answer my question, i cannot find for the life of me any answer to this simple question
14:53 <MTughan> What optimized data is?
14:53 <ergZay> wth is an optimized or specially downloaded platform specific project program runner
14:53 <ergZay> specifically seti@home
14:53 <PovAddict> an optimized app
14:53 <ergZay> i see links everwhere on the forums to download links
14:53 <ergZay> but what are they for
14:53 <PovAddict> is an application compiled for your particular processor, which *might* give you more speed (or not)
14:53 <MTughan> Yeah, so it can use more capabilities that your processor has.
14:53 <ergZay> and isnt the mac os x program have runtime cpu detection?
14:54 <MTughan> I think only Einstein has runtime detection.
14:54 <MTughan> And only for SSE2.
14:54 <ergZay> mm
14:54 <ergZay> so next question
14:54 <ergZay> does it work with the most recent release version of boinc for os x
14:54 <ergZay> manager version
14:54 <PovAddict> I didn't know there were any optimized apps for Mac
14:54 <PovAddict> but anyway, your BOINC version is irrelevant
14:55 <ergZay> whats this?
14:55 <PovAddict> I don't know of any version without support for anonymous platform
14:55 <ergZay> are these the optimized aps?
14:55 <PovAddict> I haven't crunched SETI in years, and I never go to the forum...
14:55 <PovAddict> yes they are
14:56 <MTughan> If SETI messed up that much that they didn't use SSE3/SSE2 on their OS X machines, that's just sad...
14:56 <ergZay> MTughan: ?
14:56 <Romulus> I guess MTughan: is the transfers tab fully working, ergZay
14:56 <MTughan> Because while for Windows or Linux, you have to support most x86 processors, OS X x86 processors had SSE3 from the start.
14:56 <ergZay> ill agree with previous posts, Romulus is an annoying bot
14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
14:57 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 45Â°F / 7Â°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 8:50 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:51 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:53 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:33 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:57 ° F.; Clear. Low:35 ° F.;
14:57 <MTughan> It's not too bad once you get used to it.
14:57 <MTughan> BOINC?
14:57 <Romulus> I guess BOINC is all perfect and stuff, MTughan
14:57 <PovAddict> MTughan: in theory, you can optimize apps for a specific model; basically reordering instructions in a way it gives the same results, but takes advantage of how that particular CPU pipeline works, to execute as many instructions concurrently as possible
14:57 <PovAddict> I think there isn't much of a difference actually
14:57 <ergZay> so let me say it this way
14:57 <MTughan> PovAddict: There was only one model of x86 Mac. All others have been x86_64 models, excluding Xeons.
14:57 <ergZay> is it worht the effort to set up an app to run optimized
14:57 <ergZay> does it give that much better resulats
14:57 <ergZay> results*
14:57 <ergZay> usally
14:58 <MTughan> ergZay: YMMV.
14:58 <ergZay> usually
14:58 <ergZay> dang i cant type today
14:58 <PovAddict> ergZay: "usually" won't give you any important number :P
14:58 <yoyo[RKN]> results should be the same, but faster
14:58 <PovAddict> if you use an app designed to work on all x86 CPUs ever made including Pentium I, and run it on a Pentium IV, you'll surely get better speed by using an app optimized for Pentium IV
14:58 <PovAddict> but it's not the case
14:58 <ergZay> ok PovAddict and MTughan do you run optimized projects?
14:59 <ergZay> personally
14:59 <PovAddict> I don't run SETI, for starters
14:59 <ergZay> in general
14:59 <MTughan> Same here.
14:59 <ergZay> not seti specifically
14:59 <MTughan> ATM, I have no projects I have optimized apps for.
14:59 <PovAddict> and SETI is where there's most crazy people squeezing CPU cycles with optimized apps
14:59 <MTughan> I'm not counting MW's GPU app in there.
15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> think einstein has optimized apps
15:00 <PovAddict> I don't even bother looking at my credits, so setting up an optimized app is not worth the effort for me
15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> they send 3 or so and decide on start which one to use
15:00 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: They do runtime detection on startup, so it'll run SSE2 code if it finds an SSE2 capable processor.
15:00 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: yeah but that's not the same
15:00 <MTughan> I don't believe they have optimized apps from users.
15:01 <PovAddict> it runs optimized without the user having to do anything :)
15:02 <ergZay> which projects off the top of your head have source code available so that optimized programs can be made? besdies SETi
15:02 <ergZay> besides*
15:02 <MTughan> MW does... Sure a couple others do, but I don't know them off the top of my head.
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16:36 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
16:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 39.0°F / 3.9°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.54in / 1000.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with scattered rain showers early this evening...then partly cloudy late this evening and after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Monday - Sunny. Highs in (1 more message)
16:36 <CoderForLife> &more
16:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the upper 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 40. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;
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17:24 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife !
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17:25 <CoderForLife> hmm?
17:25 <Soul_keeper> check out my last post :)
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17:27 <CoderForLife> he is relentless
17:27 <Soul_keeper> i'm gonna toy with him now
17:28 <Soul_keeper> just little one sentence replies to get him angry, untill he snaps and gets banned
17:28 <Soul_keeper> he's made atleast 10 people mad by now i figure
17:29 <Soul_keeper> anyways just got home, hmmm money in my pocket :)
17:29 <Soul_keeper> pulled a tendon in my back for that money, i'd say i earned it
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17:31 <CoderForLife> sorry to hear about your injury
17:32 <Soul_keeper> was chopping down chest high weeds on a 45 degree hill side
17:32 <Soul_keeper> money is good tho, i'm considering a new business venture here
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17:45 <CoderForLife> considering selling medical care to 45 degree hillside weed choppers?
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18:24 <ergZay> anyone know why when leiden classical sends data to any of my powerpc mac machines it instantly errors out?
18:24 <ergZay> the statistics page has no info
18:24 <MTughan> Log?
18:24 <Romulus> Log is getting slower, MTughan
18:24 <ergZay> messages*
18:24 <MTughan> Do you have the WU online?
18:25 <ergZay> what do you mean online?
18:25 <ergZay> its always online
18:26 <MTughan> On Leiden Classical's page, you should have a list of results you've done. Can you find a result that errorred out on your machine?
18:27 <ergZay> ah
18:27 <ergZay> ok found it
18:27 <MTughan> Link?
18:27 <Romulus> I guess Link is posted earlier: http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20081128/sc_space/spectacularskyscenemondayevening, MTughan
18:27 <MTughan> forget link
18:27 <Romulus> Got it, MTughan.
18:27 <MTughan> That one could get in the way...
18:28 <MTughan> Ah, the miscompiled it so it seems...
18:28 <MTughan> You're running 10.3.9?
18:28 <ergZay> a dual processor G5 2.5 GHz running 10.3.9
18:28 <MTughan> I can tell you're running Panther, just not what subversion...
18:28 <ergZay> and
18:29 <ergZay> a 1.2 GHz G4 laptop that i dont use anymore
18:29 <ergZay> are both erroring
18:29 <ergZay> both runnign 10.3.9 yes
18:29 <PovAddict> ergZay: leiden apparently compiled the app in a way that only works in 10.4+
18:29 <MTughan> All right...
18:29 <ergZay> ah
18:29 <MTughan> PovAddict: Because the BOINC libraries have to be compiled with 10.4+ dependency now to satisfy wx. >_>
18:29 <ergZay> k how do i tell them that they shouldnt send data to 10.3.9 users?
18:30 <PovAddict> MTughan: well you don't need wx for API :)
18:30 <MTughan> PovAddict: Nope, but it's still needed.
18:30 <ergZay> seti@home and einstein@home have no problems on those
18:30 <ergZay> btw
18:30 <MTughan> That's because it's tied in too tightly.
18:30 <PovAddict> you can't compile the API with 10.3.9 deps anymore??
18:30 <ergZay> you can
18:30 <MTughan> I tried just compiling the API with 10.3.9, complained on wx.
18:30 <ergZay> but 10.4 changed a ton of things
18:30 <ergZay> so most people are dropping support for 10.3.9
18:31 <ergZay> on everything
18:31 <MTughan> I attempt to keep 10.3.9 support.
18:31 <PovAddict> MTughan: using configure script?
18:31 <MTughan> PovAddict: Synecdoche doesn't have that problem.
18:31 <MTughan> Yes.
18:31 <PovAddict> did you --disable-manager?
18:31 <MTughan> Let me make sure.
18:31 <PovAddict> latest changes Eric Korpela did added new switches to disable the manager and other individual components
18:32 <ergZay> most notably anything using quicktime or corevideo (my biggest problem with apps) fails to work on 10.3.9 unless they do special work arounds
18:32 <MTughan> --disable-server --disable-client --disable-manager
18:32 <ergZay> but thats unrelated to this
18:32 <MTughan> Wait, my make script still uses 10.3.9... Maybe it is just the manager that can't be compiled on 10.3.9 anymore.
18:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: yeah, shouldn't do anything with wx if you --disable-manager
18:33 <ergZay> ok before you guys continue, two questions, 1. is this fixable by them 2. is it their mistake or yours?
18:34 <MTughan> 1) Yes.
18:34 <ergZay> or rather boinc's
18:34 <ergZay> not yours
18:34 <MTughan> 2) Their mistake if the API can still be compiled with 10.3.9.
18:34 <ergZay> can it?
18:34 <PovAddict> it's a bit harder but it's possible
18:34 <ergZay> if you dont ahve a 10.3.9 machine around i can check things btw
18:34 <MTughan> I'll update to the latest version and attempt.
18:35 <MTughan> Actually, I know why they did that...
18:35 <MTughan> One more thing I noticed. :)
18:35 <MTughan> configure says 10.3.9 has sys/statvfs.h by default, but only 10.4 and higher have it.
18:35 <ergZay> btw if you want a few more examples of errors
18:35 <ergZay> theres a bunch
18:35 <MTughan> If you undeclare it in config.h, it compiles.
18:35 <MTughan> ergZay: I can't view that page.
18:36 <ergZay> oh
18:36 <MTughan> Try getting a list of your computers.
18:36 <MTughan> Nvm, I got it. http://boinc.gorlaeus.net/hosts_user.php?userid=10380
18:36 <ergZay> wrong id
18:37 <MTughan> Ah, you have a Leopard machine... How are you finding it?
18:37 <ergZay> or no thats right
18:37 <ergZay> its an intel machine
18:37 <ergZay> runs leiden fine
18:37 <MTughan> Yeah, C2D 2.5GHz.
18:37 <PovAddict> what's the first Mac version to support Intel?
18:37 <MTughan> 10.4.6.
18:37 <ergZay> was going to say 10.4 but yea
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18:38 <ergZay> my brother has an intel core (original) duo with 10.4 on it
18:38 <MTughan> I had a Core Duo Macbook.
18:39 <ergZay> anyone know if 10.6 is dropping support for powerpc lower end machines?
18:39 <ergZay> like G4s?
18:39 <MTughan> I think Snow Leopard drops support for all PPC machines.
18:39 <ergZay> i somehow dont think so
18:39 <ergZay> not all
18:40 <MTughan> Well, it's been at least two years since they've sold any PPC machines.
18:40 <ergZay> they still hadnt replaced the tower macs with xeon processor versions until well into 10.5
18:40 <ergZay> so they wouldnt blow those out so fast
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18:42 <ergZay> August 7, 2006 is when they discountinued the Powermac G5s
18:42 <ergZay> so yea almost a year and a half
18:42 <ergZay> 2 and a half*
18:43 <MTughan> Searching on Google doesn't show any hard answers. Apparently, most signs point to dropping it, but there was one site that said the PPC drivers have seen some improvements.
18:43 <MTughan> So it's still up in the air.
18:43 <MTughan> Maybe we'll learn more at WWDC.
18:43 <MTughan> Starts June 8.
18:45 <ergZay> yea
18:45 <ergZay> so do you need anything tested on one of my 10.3.9 machines?
18:46 <MTughan> Is Leiden's app open source?
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18:47 <Romulus> Title: Index of /download (at boinc.gorlaeus.net)
18:47 <ergZay> theres the top download directory
18:48 <ergZay> i think its funny how the suffix the mac files with .exe
18:48 <MTughan> And the Linux files too...
18:49 <MTughan> So those are the applications. Any sources anywhere?
18:49 <ergZay> looking
18:51 <MTughan> I found the Classical Dynamics source...
18:53 <ergZay> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Source_Code_Availability this says they do
18:54 <ergZay> MTughan: yea i saw that but it doesnt look like its the right thing
18:54 <MTughan> Look in the sources subdir. :)
18:55 <ergZay> ok....
18:55 <ergZay> no project files though
18:55 <MTughan> Looking for Xcode project files?
18:55 <ergZay> configure scripts
18:55 <ergZay> etc
18:55 <MTughan> Ah. There are Makefiles.
18:55 <ergZay> or antyhing
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18:58 <MTughan> ergZay: I'll what I can do to compile it. Hopefully I can get a 10.3.9 compatible PPC build.
18:58 <ergZay> now the question is, is there an archive
18:58 <ergZay> so we dont have to download every file by hand
18:59 <MTughan> Yes. Level above.
18:59 <ergZay> yea
18:59 <ergZay> just found it
18:59 <MTughan> Yeah, I've already downloaded and extracted it. There's a couple libraries it looks like it uses too.
18:59 <MTughan> They come precompiled, but I'm going to remake them to be sure.
18:59 <ergZay> btw
18:59 <ergZay> it requires GLUT which isnt installed on 10.3.9 by default
19:00 <ergZay> its in x11
19:00 <ergZay> so ive heard
19:00 <MTughan> OS X comes with GLUT. You just have to look for it. ;)
19:00 <ergZay> i never knew but i always install x11 and developer headers and all the extras when i install on an os x machine
19:01 <MTughan> /System/Library/Frameworks/GLUT.framework
19:01 <ergZay> yea, not installed by default though
19:01 <MTughan> So instead of using -lGLUT, you use -framework GLUT
19:01 <ergZay> i remember selecting it extra on the install disk
19:01 <MTughan> Yes it is.
19:02 <MTughan> Anything in /System/Library shouldn't be touched by installers.
19:02 <ergZay> i mean the developer install CD
19:04 <ergZay> thats odd
19:05 <ergZay> when i try to expand the archive i get tar: Classical/ClassicalBuilder/sources/bin/ClassicalBuilder/help/Images: Cannot create symlink to `images/': File exists
19:05 <ergZay> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
19:06 <MTughan> Yeah, I got errors too... Seemed to extract all fine using tar -xzvf though.
19:07 <ergZay> oh
19:07 <ergZay> it looks like its trying to create a symlink to the lowercase version of the folder, but mac os x isnt case sensitive
19:07 <ergZay> i think
19:07 <MTughan> OS X is case sensitive.
19:08 <ergZay> i can do "cd classical" and "cd Classical"
19:08 <ergZay> both do the same thing
19:08 <MTughan> They aren't different directories?
19:08 <ergZay> nope
19:09 <MTughan> Odd... I thought it was case sensitive.
19:09 <ergZay> one of the oddities that annoy people trying to write port code from linux to os x
19:09 <ergZay> as linux is isnt it?
19:17 <ergZay> am i correct in that i want to be using MAKEFILE_BOINC and MAKEFILE_BOINC_INTEL to test?
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19:17 <MTughan> Not sure. I haven't taken a good look at either yet.
19:17 <ergZay> i thought you said you were going to build it?
19:17 <ergZay> or building the libraries still
19:18 <MTughan> I will, but not right now.
19:18 <MTughan> Got other stuff to od.
19:18 <MTughan> do*
19:18 <ergZay> ah ok
19:18 <ergZay> today sometime or another day (so i know to wait here in the channel or not)
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19:25 <ergZay> btw quick question
19:26 <ergZay> is remote_hosts.cfg needed if you are just controling multiple computers over the local LAN?
19:26 <ergZay> and you have gui_rpc_auth.cfg already set
19:26 <ergZay> ive always filled it with all the IP addresses used in the network
19:26 <PovAddict> yes
19:26 <ergZay> but not sure if that step was needed
19:26 <ergZay> ok
19:26 <PovAddict> without a remote_hosts.cfg, you can't connect from other computers
19:27 <ergZay> is there a way to modify the command line that the manager uses to launch boinc?
19:27 <PovAddict> if you want a manager in computer A to connect to a client in computer B, you need a remote_hosts.cfg in B with the IP address of A
19:27 <ergZay> such that i can use --allow_remote_gui_rpc in it
19:27 <PovAddict> if you use --allow_remote_gui_rpc, then remote_hosts.cfg is ignored, and instead, it allows connection from any IP
19:28 <ergZay> yea i know that, but im wondering if i can add it to the command line that the GUI uses to launch boinc
19:28 <PovAddict> manager launching boinc? don't you have BOINC installed as a service?
19:28 <ergZay> no i never did
19:28 <ergZay> i looked in to it but its too much of a hassle
19:28 <PovAddict> what OS?
19:28 <Romulus> Somebody said what OS are you using, PovAddict
19:28 <ergZay> mac
19:28 <ergZay> and windows
19:28 <PovAddict> the installer already sets it up as a service...
19:29 <ergZay> and i tried setting it up as a service on my linux box
19:29 <ergZay> but that failed and it never starts up right
19:29 <PovAddict> unless you're using an ancient version?
19:29 <ergZay> im using most recent version
19:29 <ergZay> manager launches boinc
19:29 <ergZay> always
19:29 <PovAddict> in all three operating systems?
19:30 <PovAddict> 6.6.18 is unstable anyway, you shouldn't be using it
19:30 <PovAddict> (that's the "most recent")
19:32 <ergZay> most recent release version
19:32 <ergZay> in all three
19:32 <ergZay> yes
19:32 <ergZay> installing as a service in linux took me 3 hours
19:33 <ergZay> trying to figure it out
19:33 <PovAddict> there is no way to install BOINC on Windows and *not* have it as a service
19:33 <ergZay> ok then its a service
19:33 <ergZay> but the manager always launches
19:33 <ergZay> it
19:33 <ergZay> so back to my original question
19:33 <ergZay> can i edit a file to modify the command line options that launch boinc when the manager starts it
19:33 <MTughan> PovAddict: I have 6.2.19 installed not as a service.
19:34 <MTughan> And on OS X, the command line options are builtin to the manager.\
19:34 <PovAddict> ergZay: yes
19:34 <PovAddict> edit BOINCClientManager.cpp, then recompile the manager ;)
19:34 <ergZay> ah
19:34 <ergZay> fun
19:35 <ergZay> i guess ill just keep copying in all the ip addresses then
19:35 <PovAddict> do you use all your computers to control all other computers?
19:35 <ergZay> usually just from one
19:35 <ergZay> but like having the option to
19:36 <ergZay> is there an app you can get that lets you simultaneously be connected to all the clients?
19:36 <PovAddict> BOINCView (Windows-only)
19:36 <ergZay> mm
19:36 <ergZay> fun again
19:37 <PovAddict> (but you can, of course, connect to non-Windows clients)
19:37 <ergZay> only have one windows computer in the house
19:37 <ergZay> everything else are mac and linux boxes
19:37 <PovAddict> BoincView is reported to work fine under Wine
19:37 <ergZay> 5 of which i manage
19:37 <PovAddict> and no, it can't be ported to Linux natively
19:37 <PovAddict> because:
19:37 <ergZay> is there an easy guide somewhere on how to set up boinc to start automatically on startup?
19:38 <ergZay> thats what i tried doing but it didnt work
19:38 <PovAddict> - it hasn't been updated in a year or two, so the programmer probably lost interest
19:38 <ergZay> i though i had it setup
19:38 <ergZay> was running as a service
19:38 <PovAddict> or died in a car accident or something
19:38 <ergZay> and could control it directly as a service
19:38 <ergZay> but when i reboot
19:38 <ergZay> it doesnt start
19:38 <PovAddict> - it's written in Delphi, not in anything remotely cross-platform
19:38 <PovAddict> - it's closed-source
19:38 <ergZay> oh yuck
19:38 <ergZay> Delphi
19:39 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if it's Delphi
19:39 <PovAddict> I just know it's something Windows-only
19:39 <PovAddict> wasn't Visual Basic at least
19:39 <ergZay> if it was .net mono could run it
19:39 <ergZay> but guess not
19:40 <ergZay> c# .net i mean
19:40 <ergZay> but as i asked
19:40 <ergZay> is there a guide somewhere to set it up to start on startup
19:41 <ergZay> i used this http://www.spy-hill.net/~myers/help/boinc/unix.html
19:41 <ergZay> but it didnt work properly
19:45 <PovAddict> what distro?
19:45 <Romulus> It has been said that what distro is this, PovAddict
19:45 * PovAddict puts Romulus's batteries backwards and explodes all his electrolytic capacitors
19:48 <ergZay> ah sorry
19:48 <ergZay> fedora
19:48 <ergZay> ancient version
19:49 <KathrynM> It can't be Monday.
19:49 <PovAddict> :/
19:54 <ergZay> ah that was easy, there was a lockfile that was stopping it loading for some reason
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19:58 <ergZay> is there an app for checking what instruction sets are supported on your OS on linux?
20:00 <KathrynM> cat /proc/cpuinfo
20:00 <KathrynM> in a terminal
20:00 <ergZay> ok thx
20:01 <ergZay> if i get the SSE2 optimized program and run it on one that supports only SSE will it error?
20:02 <Romulus> Title: Multibeam and Astropulse Combined Packages (at www.arkayn.us)
20:02 <KathrynM> yeah, it'll error out
20:02 <ergZay> hmm darn
20:02 <ergZay> guess i have to look for one then
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20:44 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, I won http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2289580&enterthread=y
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21:08 <turboninjalover> Soul_keeper:
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21:27 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: that turboninjalover idiot is annoying here again
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22:13 <ergZay> if i change my name on a project
22:13 <ergZay> do all the stat websites carry my stats from one name to the other?
22:13 <ergZay> for some projects im using my nick ergzay and for several im using my real name
22:13 <ergZay> if i change them all to my nick ergzay then will they carry is my question
22:14 <ergZay> for like websites boincstats.com
22:15 <PovAddict> yes
22:18 <ergZay> now im somewhat confused
22:18 <ergZay> i had a leiden classical set to use my ergzay name
22:18 <ergZay> but its appearing in boincstats under the user named my real name
22:20 <ergZay> ok now im very confused
22:20 <ergZay> i somehow have two users
22:20 <ergZay> of which i log into both with the same email
22:20 <ergZay> but different passwords
22:20 <ergZay> and some are on some projects and some on others
22:20 <ergZay> and because of the different passwords its seems not to link them
22:20 <ergZay> or something
22:24 <PovAddict> boincstats can't know your password...
22:26 <ergZay> i know
22:26 <ergZay> which is why this is odd
22:28 <ergZay> i have two cross-project IDs for some reason
22:28 <ergZay> boinc isnt merging them
22:28 <ergZay> one of them has almost nothing on it
22:28 <ergZay> and one has everything else
22:28 <ergZay> its odd
22:29 <PovAddict> are you attached to one project in each "group" of CPIDs?
22:29 <PovAddict> on the same computer, that is
22:31 <ergZay> say again?
22:35 <ergZay> ah nvm it doesnt matter
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