IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-03-29

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01:17 <zombie67> did the script monkeys finally bring milkyway down?

01:17 <MTughan> No idea. Server's been down for a couple hours now.

01:19 <zombie67> Turns out I could have saved a LOT of money, Instead of two of the 4870s, I could have gone with a single 38xx.

01:19 <zombie67> I am getting only about 30k/day....they sit idle most of the time

01:20 <MTughan> It should be better once the GPU-only project is set up, but it has been like that recently for me too.

01:20 <MTughan> I was gettign 70-80K/day, now I'm only at 25-30K for MW.

01:20 <MTughan> When it's up, that is...

01:21 <zombie67> any news on when the project-staging mac apps will be BOINC-ized for PG?

01:21 <MTughan> I haven't worked on them recently... I probably can, although not tonight.

01:21 <MTughan> Too late.

01:22 <zombie67> just looking for news.  not pushing

01:22 <zombie67> what's this I hear about GPUGRID doubling their credits?

01:23 <MTughan> I don't follow GPUGRID. Did they?

01:23 <zombie67> that's what's being said on my team's forum

01:32 <zombie67> Ah, see here.  Posts 4, 5, 6, 9 11.

01:32 <zombie67>

01:32 <Romulus> Title: Credits calculations (at

01:32 <zombie67> So,

01:32 <zombie67> we have to redistribute quite a bit of credits to the users in order to align to Seti factor as we were undercrediting.

01:32 <zombie67> First change is already in place.

01:32 <zombie67> People who returns results within 24 hours will receive 50% more credits. We might adjust these values in the future.

01:33 <zombie67> I wonder if that means they will retro-actively increase credits?

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08:04 <xcamel> 'lo

08:07 <ELGono> lo jay

08:10 <xcamel> mornin

08:18 <ELGono> surprised of progress of opensshd for windows

08:18 <ELGono> easy setup, workz great

08:27 <BadBarbarian> Mornin

08:28 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:28 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 44.8F / 7.1C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Occasional rain. A chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Much cooler with the high in the upper 40s. North winds around 5 mph... becoming northeast this afternoon. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. (2 more messages)

08:28 <xcamel> &more

08:28 <Romulus> xcamel: Showers in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. The low in the mid 30s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west after midnight. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning. Breezy with the high in the mid 40s. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in (1 more message)

08:29 <xcamel> &more

08:29 <Romulus> xcamel: effect until 8:00 AM EDT on March 30, 2009;

08:32 <xcamel> seems einstein and mw are both frigged up.

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08:37 <xcamel> rain, rain.

08:42 <XioNYC> &wx LGA

08:42 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 42F / 6C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.60in / 1002hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Rain and drizzle likely early this morning...then showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Areas of fog early this morning...then patchy fog this afternoon. Highs in the lower 50s. East winds 10 to 15 (2 more messages)

08:42 <XioNYC> &more

08:42 <Romulus> XioNYC: mph...becoming southeast this afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog in the evening. Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then a slight chance of showers after midnight. Breezy with lows in the lower 40s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers (1 more message)

08:42 <XioNYC> &more

08:42 <Romulus> XioNYC: in the morning. Windy with highs in the lower 50s. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

08:42 <XioNYC> I guess I'd better head to the laundromat sooner rather than later... :-\

08:46 <xcamel> before it really starts raining...

08:48 <xcamel> pouring here now..

08:50 <Soul_keeper> good morning

08:50 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

08:50 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 17F / -8C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Windy. Partly cloudy. Highs around 51 on the North Rim to around 74 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest 20 to 35 mph with gusts to around 55 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Windy. Partly cloudy. A slight (2 more messages)

08:50 <BadBarbarian> &more

08:50 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: chance of rain showers in the evening...a slight chance of rain and snow showers after midnight. No snow accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet after midnight. Lows around 22 on the North Rim to around 41 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 45 mph becoming light. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Monday - Much cooler. Mostly sunny in the morning (1 more message)

08:50 <BadBarbarian> &more

08:50 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 35 on the North Rim to around 62 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; High Wind Warning for Coconino County in effect until 9:00 PM MST on March 29, 2009; Fire Weather Warning for Coconino County in effect until 8:00 PM MST on March 29, 2009;

08:50 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

08:50 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 53.2F / 11.8C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.24in / 990.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 64 to 69 in the western valleys to 68 to 73 near the foothills. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...becoming (1 more message)

08:51 <Soul_keeper> &more

08:51 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: cloudy. Patchy fog overnight. Patchy drizzle overnight. Lows 42 to 51. Light winds.; Monday - Cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Patchy drizzle in the morning. Highs 66 to 71. Light winds.;

08:51 <xcamel> damn... cold there..

08:51 <BadBarbarian> 7000 feet lol

08:51 <xcamel> yupper..

08:51 <BadBarbarian> grand canyon az

08:53 <xcamel> we got up to 68 yesterday. It was beautiful

08:54 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

08:54 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 42°F / 6°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.35in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM KST; Chance of Rain. High:50 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:39 F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.;

08:54 <KathrynM> rain, rain and more rain :/

08:55 <xcamel> spring, spring, and more spring.

08:55 <xcamel> ice is finally gone on my pond and the ducks are happy.

08:55 <KathrynM> yay

08:55 <xcamel> and the local geese

08:55 <KathrynM> holy heck is the cat hyper tonight

08:58 <KathrynM> she's literally crawling up the wals

08:58 <KathrynM> *walls

08:58 <xcamel> any word on when einstein or mw are coming back on line?

09:01 <KathrynM> nope

09:01 <KathrynM>

09:01 <Romulus> <> (at

09:01 <KathrynM> new pics starting at 26

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09:16 <xcamel> still a cute kitty..

09:16 <KathrynM> thanks

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09:18 <KathrynM> nighttol

09:19 <xcamel> buh-by

09:33 <Soul_keeper> lo

09:40 <CoderForLife> hi

09:40 <CoderForLife> did my Saturday AM errands this morning

09:43 <Soul_keeper> Ha!

09:43 <CoderForLife> Ah!

09:44 <Soul_keeper>   I dunno about this guy, he won't stop

09:44 <Romulus> <> (at

09:44 <Soul_keeper> I gotta learn how to be the bigger man and step down from confrontation with idiots somehow

09:46 <Soul_keeper> judging from his activity in another thread he won't stop and won't get/learn anything

09:47 <CoderForLife> he's just trying to cause trouble

09:47 <Soul_keeper> he got in an arguement with like 3 other people in another thread,  said he was going to sleep.  apparently woke up.  took a few hours quoteing everything everyone else said and writing 1000's of words trying to rebunk everything

09:48 <Soul_keeper> I personally stop reading forum posts if they go past 1 paragraph or so,  if it takes someone that much to say something then it's probably not worth saying

09:48 <Soul_keeper> 1. a source or cause of harm or failure.

09:48 <Soul_keeper> 2. an unconquerable opponent or rival.

09:48 <Soul_keeper> his signature says it all ...

09:51 <CoderForLife> yup

09:51 <CoderForLife> he's just keeping with his stated mission

09:56 <xcamel> opus writers

09:57 <Soul_keeper> "But I can tell you for fact both Apple and myself new about larrabee way before you did."     he told a few people this, like he's some kinda insider  lol

09:58 <Soul_keeper> anyways I guess I have to go do some work now

10:00 <Soul_keeper> later

10:01 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

10:01 <xcamel> i

10:01 <xcamel> er Hi even

10:02 <CoderForLife> conserving H's?

10:02 <xcamel> it went AWOL

10:02 <CoderForLife> heh

10:02 <CoderForLife> er, e

10:05 <xcamel> turned into a dreary day

10:07 <CoderForLife> periodic light rain here

10:07 <CoderForLife> the front came through at around 1 this morning

10:09 <xcamel> not even close here yet.

10:10 <xcamel> doing the 'home alone' thing today

10:21 <CoderForLife> can't make those womenfolk stay with you, eh?  =)

10:21 <ELGono> mine is working on mathlab again

10:22 <ELGono> just finished synergy via ssh setup

10:22 <ELGono> now just my intellimouse from 1999 wont work on my thinkpad

10:23 <ELGono> it's recognized correctly driver working, but it won't move

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11:37 <xcamel> re-hi

11:37 <ELGono> re

11:42 <CoderForLife> -hi

11:55 <xcamel> if nothing else, the snow is almost all gone

12:00 <ELGono> yea we were tought again how storm and rain feels

12:00 <ELGono> just tops of surrounding mountains have a white cap

12:26 <CoderForLife> Seems like I need to snooze for awhile - bbl

12:27 <xcamel> I was just thinking the same thing..

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13:39 <tom_> hi folks, I'm trying do to some statistical analysis of published boinc-stats (host.xml), but I can't find any detailed information about the meaning of the different fields. any experts here?

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14:13 <ergZay> hi my boinc program is acting odd and im not certain of the cause of it

14:13 <ergZay> notably i have only one computation running but i have two cores

14:13 <ergZay> and its not getting anymore data

14:14 <ergZay> the two projects im on are seti@home and einstein@home

14:14 <ergZay> einstein@home has 3 data packs pending for upload but not uploading

14:14 <ergZay> and seti@home says there are no jobs available which doesnt seem right

14:15 <ergZay> and when einstein@home tries to update it says this

14:15 <ergZay> Sun Mar 29 14:10:11 2009|Einstein@Home|Project file upload handler is missing

14:15 <ergZay> is anyone here?

14:16 <PovAddict> Einstein fileserver had hardware problems

14:16 <PovAddict> and SETI indeed has no work

14:18 <ergZay> hmm

14:18 <ergZay> time to find myself a new project

14:19 <PovAddict> it's rare for einstein to have that kind of trouble :)

14:19 <ergZay> seti has no work for their main project OR their asropulse?

14:19 <ergZay> astropulse*

14:20 <ergZay> and do you know by chance what Astropulse v5 is in their prefrences section of what data you want to accept

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14:24 <ergZay> is something up with the boinc website

14:24 <ergZay> its loading very slowly on my machine currently

14:24 <PovAddict> seems slow indeed

14:25 <ergZay> well seeing as i cant get to the wiki

14:26 <ergZay> PovAddict: maybe you can answer, what are optimized data?

14:26 <ergZay> and how do you do them

14:26 <MTughan> xcamel: Does Rommie need to be sitting on #boinc_dev?

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14:44 <CoderForLife> what's the problem with Rommie and boinc_dev MTughan?

14:45 <CoderForLife> You want your bot there?

14:45 <MTughan> <PovAddict> maybe privacy reasons? it's not publicly shown on the website either ->

14:45 <Romulus> <> (at

14:45 <MTughan> <Romulus> <> (at

14:45 <MTughan> * PovAddict sits on the bot

14:45 <Romulus> Title: Computer 8 (at

14:45 <MTughan> o_O

14:46 <MTughan> <SkaveRat> Romulus is quite an annoing bot o.o

14:46 <PovAddict> ^ that

14:46 <PovAddict> he keeps doing annoying stuff with links :P

14:46 <MTughan> Maybe just set him to not read links on #boinc_dev, and that'd improve him.

14:46 <CoderForLife> Oh - Rommies making your private links into tinyutls?

14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> wb MTughan

14:46 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

14:47 <PovAddict> making tinyurl links, or posting the page's title, or giving factoids... just annoyances

14:47 <yoyo[RKN]> have now ubuntu64+boinc running from usb stick

14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> but with boinc 6.4.5 I could not attach to any project and also the projectlist was empty

14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> has to downgrade to 6.2.15

14:50 <MTughan> &config plugins.web.titleSnarfer.#boinc_dev False

14:50 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You don't have the #boinc_dev,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

14:50 <MTughan> That would do it.

14:52 <ergZay> could someone answer my question, i cannot find for the life of me any answer to this simple question

14:53 <MTughan> What optimized data is?

14:53 <ergZay> wth is an optimized or specially downloaded platform specific project program runner

14:53 <ergZay> specifically seti@home

14:53 <PovAddict> an optimized app

14:53 <ergZay> i see links everwhere on the forums to download links

14:53 <ergZay> but what are they for

14:53 <PovAddict> is an application compiled for your particular processor, which *might* give you more speed (or not)

14:53 <MTughan> Yeah, so it can use more capabilities that your processor has.

14:53 <ergZay> and isnt the mac os x program have runtime cpu detection?

14:54 <MTughan> I think only Einstein has runtime detection.

14:54 <MTughan> And only for SSE2.

14:54 <ergZay> mm

14:54 <ergZay> so next question

14:54 <ergZay> does it work with the most recent release version of boinc for os x

14:54 <ergZay> manager version

14:54 <PovAddict> I didn't know there were any optimized apps for Mac

14:54 <PovAddict> but anyway, your BOINC version is irrelevant

14:55 <ergZay> whats this?

14:55 <ergZay>

14:55 <Romulus> <> (at

14:55 <PovAddict> I don't know of any version without support for anonymous platform

14:55 <ergZay> are these the optimized aps?

14:55 <PovAddict> I haven't crunched SETI in years, and I never go to the forum...

14:55 <PovAddict> yes they are

14:56 <MTughan> If SETI messed up that much that they didn't use SSE3/SSE2 on their OS X machines, that's just sad...

14:56 <ergZay> MTughan: ?

14:56 <Romulus> I guess MTughan: is the transfers tab fully working, ergZay

14:56 <MTughan> Because while for Windows or Linux, you have to support most x86 processors, OS X x86 processors had SSE3 from the start.

14:56 <ergZay> ill agree with previous posts, Romulus is an annoying bot

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:57 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 8:50 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:51 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:53 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:33 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:57 F.; Clear. Low:35 F.;

14:57 <MTughan> It's not too bad once you get used to it.

14:57 <MTughan> BOINC?

14:57 <Romulus> I guess BOINC is all perfect and stuff, MTughan

14:57 <PovAddict> MTughan: in theory, you can optimize apps for a specific model; basically reordering instructions in a way it gives the same results, but takes advantage of how that particular CPU pipeline works, to execute as many instructions concurrently as possible

14:57 <PovAddict> I think there isn't much of a difference actually

14:57 <ergZay> so let me say it this way

14:57 <MTughan> PovAddict: There was only one model of x86 Mac. All others have been x86_64 models, excluding Xeons.

14:57 <ergZay> is it worht the effort to set up an app to run optimized

14:57 <ergZay> does it give that much better resulats

14:57 <ergZay> results*

14:57 <ergZay> usally

14:58 <MTughan> ergZay: YMMV.

14:58 <ergZay> usually

14:58 <ergZay> dang i cant type today

14:58 <PovAddict> ergZay: "usually" won't give you any important number :P

14:58 <yoyo[RKN]> results should be the same, but faster

14:58 <PovAddict> if you use an app designed to work on all x86 CPUs ever made including Pentium I, and run it on a Pentium IV, you'll surely get better speed by using an app optimized for Pentium IV

14:58 <PovAddict> but it's not the case

14:58 <ergZay> ok PovAddict and MTughan do you run optimized projects?

14:59 <ergZay> personally

14:59 <PovAddict> I don't run SETI, for starters

14:59 <ergZay> in general

14:59 <MTughan> Same here.

14:59 <ergZay> not seti specifically

14:59 <MTughan> ATM, I have no projects I have optimized apps for.

14:59 <PovAddict> and SETI is where there's most crazy people squeezing CPU cycles with optimized apps

14:59 <MTughan> I'm not counting MW's GPU app in there.

15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> think einstein has optimized apps

15:00 <PovAddict> I don't even bother looking at my credits, so setting up an optimized app is not worth the effort for me

15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> they send 3 or so and decide on start which one to use

15:00 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: They do runtime detection on startup, so it'll run SSE2 code if it finds an SSE2 capable processor.

15:00 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: yeah but that's not the same

15:00 <MTughan> I don't believe they have optimized apps from users.

15:01 <PovAddict> it runs optimized without the user having to do anything :)

15:02 <ergZay> which projects off the top of your head have source code available so that optimized programs can be made? besdies SETi

15:02 <ergZay> besides*

15:02 <MTughan> MW does... Sure a couple others do, but I don't know them off the top of my head.

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16:36 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

16:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 39.0F / 3.9C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.54in / 1000.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with scattered rain showers early this evening...then partly cloudy late this evening and after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Monday - Sunny. Highs in (1 more message)

16:36 <CoderForLife> &more

16:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the upper 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 40. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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17:24 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife !

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17:25 <CoderForLife> hmm?

17:25 <Soul_keeper>

17:25 <Romulus> <> (at

17:25 <Soul_keeper> check out my last post :)

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17:27 <CoderForLife> he is relentless

17:27 <Soul_keeper> i'm gonna toy with him now

17:28 <Soul_keeper> just little one sentence replies to get him angry, untill he snaps and gets banned

17:28 <Soul_keeper> he's made atleast 10 people mad by now i figure

17:29 <Soul_keeper> anyways just got home, hmmm money in my pocket :)

17:29 <Soul_keeper> pulled a tendon in my back for that money, i'd say i earned it

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17:31 <CoderForLife> sorry to hear about your injury

17:32 <Soul_keeper> was chopping down chest high weeds on a 45 degree hill side

17:32 <Soul_keeper> money is good tho, i'm considering a new business venture here

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17:45 <CoderForLife> considering selling medical care to 45 degree hillside weed choppers?

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18:24 <ergZay> anyone know why when leiden classical sends data to any of my powerpc mac machines it instantly errors out?

18:24 <ergZay> the statistics page has no info

18:24 <MTughan> Log?

18:24 <Romulus> Log is getting slower, MTughan

18:24 <ergZay> messages*

18:24 <MTughan> Do you have the WU online?

18:25 <ergZay> what do you mean online?

18:25 <ergZay> its always online

18:26 <MTughan> On Leiden Classical's page, you should have a list of results you've done. Can you find a result that errorred out on your machine?

18:27 <ergZay> ah

18:27 <ergZay> ok found it

18:27 <MTughan> Link?

18:27 <Romulus> I guess Link is posted earlier:, MTughan

18:27 <ergZay>

18:27 <MTughan> forget link

18:27 <Romulus> <> (at

18:27 <Romulus> Got it, MTughan.

18:27 <MTughan> That one could get in the way...

18:28 <MTughan> Ah, the miscompiled it so it seems...

18:28 <MTughan> You're running 10.3.9?

18:28 <ergZay> a dual processor G5 2.5 GHz running 10.3.9

18:28 <MTughan> I can tell you're running Panther, just not what subversion...

18:28 <ergZay> and

18:29 <ergZay> a 1.2 GHz G4 laptop that i dont use anymore

18:29 <ergZay> are both erroring

18:29 <ergZay> both runnign 10.3.9 yes

18:29 <PovAddict> ergZay: leiden apparently compiled the app in a way that only works in 10.4+

18:29 <MTughan> All right...

18:29 <ergZay> ah

18:29 <MTughan> PovAddict: Because the BOINC libraries have to be compiled with 10.4+ dependency now to satisfy wx. >_>

18:29 <ergZay> k how do i tell them that they shouldnt send data to 10.3.9 users?

18:30 <PovAddict> MTughan: well you don't need wx for API :)

18:30 <MTughan> PovAddict: Nope, but it's still needed.

18:30 <ergZay> seti@home and einstein@home have no problems on those

18:30 <ergZay> btw

18:30 <MTughan> That's because it's tied in too tightly.

18:30 <PovAddict> you can't compile the API with 10.3.9 deps anymore??

18:30 <ergZay> you can

18:30 <MTughan> I tried just compiling the API with 10.3.9, complained on wx.

18:30 <ergZay> but 10.4 changed a ton of things

18:30 <ergZay> so most people are dropping support for 10.3.9

18:31 <ergZay> on everything

18:31 <MTughan> I attempt to keep 10.3.9 support.

18:31 <PovAddict> MTughan: using configure script?

18:31 <MTughan> PovAddict: Synecdoche doesn't have that problem.

18:31 <MTughan> Yes.

18:31 <PovAddict> did you --disable-manager?

18:31 <MTughan> Let me make sure.

18:31 <PovAddict> latest changes Eric Korpela did added new switches to disable the manager and other individual components

18:32 <ergZay> most notably anything using quicktime or corevideo (my biggest problem with apps) fails to work on 10.3.9 unless they do special work arounds

18:32 <MTughan> --disable-server --disable-client --disable-manager

18:32 <ergZay> but thats unrelated to this

18:32 <MTughan> Wait, my make script still uses 10.3.9... Maybe it is just the manager that can't be compiled on 10.3.9 anymore.

18:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: yeah, shouldn't do anything with wx if you --disable-manager

18:33 <ergZay> ok before you guys continue, two questions, 1. is this fixable by them 2. is it their mistake or yours?

18:34 <MTughan> 1) Yes.

18:34 <ergZay> or rather boinc's

18:34 <ergZay> not yours

18:34 <MTughan> 2) Their mistake if the API can still be compiled with 10.3.9.

18:34 <ergZay> can it?

18:34 <PovAddict> it's a bit harder but it's possible

18:34 <ergZay> if you dont ahve a 10.3.9 machine around i can check things btw

18:34 <MTughan> I'll update to the latest version and attempt.

18:35 <MTughan> Actually, I know why they did that...

18:35 <MTughan> One more thing I noticed. :)

18:35 <MTughan> configure says 10.3.9 has sys/statvfs.h by default, but only 10.4 and higher have it.

18:35 <ergZay> btw if you want a few more examples of errors

18:35 <ergZay>

18:35 <Romulus> <> (at

18:35 <ergZay> theres a bunch

18:35 <MTughan> If you undeclare it in config.h, it compiles.

18:35 <MTughan> ergZay: I can't view that page.

18:36 <ergZay> oh

18:36 <MTughan> Try getting a list of your computers.

18:36 <MTughan> Nvm, I got it.

18:36 <Romulus> <> (at

18:36 <ergZay> wrong id

18:37 <MTughan> Ah, you have a Leopard machine... How are you finding it?

18:37 <ergZay> or no thats right

18:37 <ergZay> its an intel machine

18:37 <ergZay> runs leiden fine

18:37 <MTughan> Yeah, C2D 2.5GHz.

18:37 <PovAddict> what's the first Mac version to support Intel?

18:37 <MTughan> 10.4.6.

18:37 <ergZay> was going to say 10.4 but yea

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18:38 <ergZay> my brother has an intel core (original) duo with 10.4 on it

18:38 <MTughan> I had a Core Duo Macbook.

18:39 <ergZay> anyone know if 10.6 is dropping support for powerpc lower end machines?

18:39 <ergZay> like G4s?

18:39 <MTughan> I think Snow Leopard drops support for all PPC machines.

18:39 <ergZay> i somehow dont think so

18:39 <ergZay> not all

18:40 <MTughan> Well, it's been at least two years since they've sold any PPC machines.

18:40 <ergZay> they still hadnt replaced the tower macs with xeon processor versions until well into 10.5

18:40 <ergZay> so they wouldnt blow those out so fast

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18:42 <ergZay> August 7, 2006 is when they discountinued the Powermac G5s

18:42 <ergZay> so yea almost a year and a half

18:42 <ergZay> 2 and a half*

18:43 <MTughan> Searching on Google doesn't show any hard answers. Apparently, most signs point to dropping it, but there was one site that said the PPC drivers have seen some improvements.

18:43 <MTughan> So it's still up in the air.

18:43 <MTughan> Maybe we'll learn more at WWDC.

18:43 <MTughan> Starts June 8.

18:45 <ergZay> yea

18:45 <ergZay> so do you need anything tested on one of my 10.3.9 machines?

18:46 <MTughan> Is Leiden's app open source?

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18:47 <ergZay>

18:47 <Romulus> Title: Index of /download (at

18:47 <ergZay> theres the top download directory

18:48 <ergZay> i think its funny how the suffix the mac files with .exe

18:48 <MTughan> And the Linux files too...

18:49 <MTughan> So those are the applications. Any sources anywhere?

18:49 <ergZay> looking

18:51 <MTughan> I found the Classical Dynamics source...

18:53 <ergZay> this says they do

18:53 <Romulus> <> (at

18:54 <MTughan>

18:54 <Romulus> <> (at

18:54 <ergZay> MTughan: yea i saw that but it doesnt look like its the right thing

18:54 <MTughan> Look in the sources subdir. :)

18:55 <ergZay> ok....

18:55 <ergZay> no project files though

18:55 <MTughan> Looking for Xcode project files?

18:55 <ergZay> configure scripts

18:55 <ergZay> etc

18:55 <MTughan> Ah. There are Makefiles.

18:55 <ergZay> or antyhing

18:55 <MTughan>

18:55 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:58 <MTughan> ergZay: I'll what I can do to compile it. Hopefully I can get a 10.3.9 compatible PPC build.

18:58 <ergZay> now the question is, is there an archive

18:58 <ergZay> so we dont have to download every file by hand

18:59 <MTughan> Yes. Level above.

18:59 <ergZay>

18:59 <ergZay> yea

18:59 <Romulus> <> (at

18:59 <ergZay> just found it

18:59 <MTughan> Yeah, I've already downloaded and extracted it. There's a couple libraries it looks like it uses too.

18:59 <MTughan> They come precompiled, but I'm going to remake them to be sure.

18:59 <ergZay> btw

18:59 <ergZay> it requires GLUT which isnt installed on 10.3.9 by default

19:00 <ergZay> its in x11

19:00 <ergZay> so ive heard

19:00 <MTughan> OS X comes with GLUT. You just have to look for it. ;)

19:00 <ergZay> i never knew but i always install x11 and developer headers and all the extras when i install on an os x machine

19:01 <MTughan> /System/Library/Frameworks/GLUT.framework

19:01 <ergZay> yea, not installed by default though

19:01 <MTughan> So instead of using -lGLUT, you use -framework GLUT

19:01 <ergZay> i remember selecting it extra on the install disk

19:01 <MTughan> Yes it is.

19:02 <MTughan> Anything in /System/Library shouldn't be touched by installers.

19:02 <ergZay> i mean the developer install CD

19:04 <ergZay> thats odd

19:05 <ergZay> when i try to expand the archive i get tar: Classical/ClassicalBuilder/sources/bin/ClassicalBuilder/help/Images: Cannot create symlink to `images/': File exists

19:05 <ergZay> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors

19:06 <MTughan> Yeah, I got errors too... Seemed to extract all fine using tar -xzvf though.

19:07 <ergZay> oh

19:07 <ergZay> it looks like its trying to create a symlink to the lowercase version of the folder, but mac os x isnt case sensitive

19:07 <ergZay> i think

19:07 <MTughan> OS X is case sensitive.

19:08 <ergZay> i can do "cd classical" and "cd Classical"

19:08 <ergZay> both do the same thing

19:08 <MTughan> They aren't different directories?

19:08 <ergZay> nope

19:09 <MTughan> Odd... I thought it was case sensitive.

19:09 <ergZay> one of the oddities that annoy people trying to write port code from linux to os x

19:09 <ergZay> as linux is isnt it?

19:17 <ergZay> am i correct in that i want to be using MAKEFILE_BOINC and MAKEFILE_BOINC_INTEL to test?

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19:17 <MTughan> Not sure. I haven't taken a good look at either yet.

19:17 <ergZay> i thought you said you were going to build it?

19:17 <ergZay> or building the libraries still

19:18 <MTughan> I will, but not right now.

19:18 <MTughan> Got other stuff to od.

19:18 <MTughan> do*

19:18 <ergZay> ah ok

19:18 <ergZay> today sometime or another day (so i know to wait here in the channel or not)

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19:25 <ergZay> btw quick question

19:26 <ergZay> is remote_hosts.cfg needed if you are just controling multiple computers over the local LAN?

19:26 <ergZay> and you have gui_rpc_auth.cfg already set

19:26 <ergZay> ive always filled it with all the IP addresses used in the network

19:26 <PovAddict> yes

19:26 <ergZay> but not sure if that step was needed

19:26 <ergZay> ok

19:26 <PovAddict> without a remote_hosts.cfg, you can't connect from other computers

19:27 <ergZay> is there a way to modify the command line that the manager uses to launch boinc?

19:27 <PovAddict> if you want a manager in computer A to connect to a client in computer B, you need a remote_hosts.cfg in B with the IP address of A

19:27 <ergZay> such that i can use --allow_remote_gui_rpc in it

19:27 <PovAddict> if you use --allow_remote_gui_rpc, then remote_hosts.cfg is ignored, and instead, it allows connection from any IP

19:28 <ergZay> yea i know that, but im wondering if i can add it to the command line that the GUI uses to launch boinc

19:28 <PovAddict> manager launching boinc? don't you have BOINC installed as a service?

19:28 <ergZay> no i never did

19:28 <ergZay> i looked in to it but its too much of a hassle

19:28 <PovAddict> what OS?

19:28 <Romulus> Somebody said what OS are you using, PovAddict

19:28 <ergZay> mac

19:28 <ergZay> and windows

19:28 <PovAddict> the installer already sets it up as a service...

19:29 <ergZay> and i tried setting it up as a service on my linux box

19:29 <ergZay> but that failed and it never starts up right

19:29 <PovAddict> unless you're using an ancient version?

19:29 <ergZay> im using most recent version

19:29 <ergZay> manager launches boinc

19:29 <ergZay> always

19:29 <PovAddict> in all three operating systems?

19:30 <PovAddict> 6.6.18 is unstable anyway, you shouldn't be using it

19:30 <PovAddict> (that's the "most recent")

19:32 <ergZay> most recent release version

19:32 <ergZay> in all three

19:32 <ergZay> yes

19:32 <ergZay> installing as a service in linux took me 3 hours

19:33 <ergZay> trying to figure it out

19:33 <PovAddict> there is no way to install BOINC on Windows and *not* have it as a service

19:33 <ergZay> ok then its a service

19:33 <ergZay> but the manager always launches

19:33 <ergZay> it

19:33 <ergZay> so back to my original question

19:33 <ergZay> can i edit a file to modify the command line options that launch boinc when the manager starts it

19:33 <MTughan> PovAddict: I have 6.2.19 installed not as a service.

19:34 <MTughan> And on OS X, the command line options are builtin to the manager.\

19:34 <PovAddict> ergZay: yes

19:34 <PovAddict> edit BOINCClientManager.cpp, then recompile the manager ;)

19:34 <ergZay> ah

19:34 <ergZay> fun

19:35 <ergZay> i guess ill just keep copying in all the ip addresses then

19:35 <PovAddict> do you use all your computers to control all other computers?

19:35 <ergZay> usually just from one

19:35 <ergZay> but like having the option to

19:36 <ergZay> is there an app you can get that lets you simultaneously be connected to all the clients?

19:36 <PovAddict> BOINCView (Windows-only)

19:36 <ergZay> mm

19:36 <ergZay> fun again

19:37 <PovAddict> (but you can, of course, connect to non-Windows clients)

19:37 <ergZay> only have one windows computer in the house

19:37 <ergZay> everything else are mac and linux boxes

19:37 <PovAddict> BoincView is reported to work fine under Wine

19:37 <ergZay> 5 of which i manage

19:37 <PovAddict> and no, it can't be ported to Linux natively

19:37 <PovAddict> because:

19:37 <ergZay> is there an easy guide somewhere on how to set up boinc to start automatically on startup?

19:38 <ergZay> thats what i tried doing but it didnt work

19:38 <PovAddict> - it hasn't been updated in a year or two, so the programmer probably lost interest

19:38 <ergZay> i though i had it setup

19:38 <ergZay> was running as a service

19:38 <PovAddict> or died in a car accident or something

19:38 <ergZay> and could control it directly as a service

19:38 <ergZay> but when i reboot

19:38 <ergZay> it doesnt start

19:38 <PovAddict> - it's written in Delphi, not in anything remotely cross-platform

19:38 <PovAddict> - it's closed-source

19:38 <ergZay> oh yuck

19:38 <ergZay> Delphi

19:39 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if it's Delphi

19:39 <PovAddict> I just know it's something Windows-only

19:39 <PovAddict> wasn't Visual Basic at least

19:39 <ergZay> if it was .net mono could run it

19:39 <ergZay> but guess not

19:40 <ergZay> c# .net i mean

19:40 <ergZay> but as i asked

19:40 <ergZay> is there a guide somewhere to set it up to start on startup

19:41 <ergZay> i used this

19:41 <Romulus> <> (at

19:41 <ergZay> but it didnt work properly

19:45 <PovAddict> what distro?

19:45 <Romulus> It has been said that what distro is this, PovAddict

19:45 * PovAddict puts Romulus's batteries backwards and explodes all his electrolytic capacitors

19:48 <ergZay> ah sorry

19:48 <ergZay> fedora

19:48 <ergZay> ancient version

19:49 <KathrynM> It can't be Monday.

19:49 <PovAddict> :/

19:54 <ergZay> ah that was easy, there was a lockfile that was stopping it loading for some reason

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19:57 <KathrynM> PovAddict, new kitty pictures up:

19:57 <Romulus> <> (at

19:58 <ergZay> is there an app for checking what instruction sets are supported on your OS on linux?

20:00 <KathrynM> cat /proc/cpuinfo

20:00 <KathrynM> in a terminal

20:00 <ergZay> ok thx

20:01 <ergZay> if i get the SSE2 optimized program and run it on one that supports only SSE will it error?

20:01 <ergZay> as there doesnt appear to be an SSE optimized program for linux here

20:02 <Romulus> Title: Multibeam and Astropulse Combined Packages (at

20:02 <KathrynM> yeah, it'll error out

20:02 <ergZay> hmm darn

20:02 <ergZay> guess i have to look for one then

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20:44 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, I won

20:44 <Romulus> <> (at

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21:08 <turboninjalover> Soul_keeper:

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21:27 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: that turboninjalover idiot is annoying here again

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22:13 <ergZay> if i change my name on a project

22:13 <ergZay> do all the stat websites carry my stats from one name to the other?

22:13 <ergZay> for some projects im using my nick ergzay and for several im using my real name

22:13 <ergZay> if i change them all to my nick ergzay then will they carry is my question

22:14 <ergZay> for like websites

22:15 <PovAddict> yes

22:18 <ergZay> now im somewhat confused

22:18 <ergZay> i had a leiden classical set to use my ergzay name

22:18 <ergZay> but its appearing in boincstats under the user named my real name

22:20 <ergZay> ok now im very confused

22:20 <ergZay> i somehow have two users

22:20 <ergZay> of which i log into both with the same email

22:20 <ergZay> but different passwords

22:20 <ergZay> and some are on some projects and some on others

22:20 <ergZay> and because of the different passwords its seems not to link them

22:20 <ergZay> or something

22:24 <PovAddict> boincstats can't know your password...

22:26 <ergZay> i know

22:26 <ergZay> which is why this is odd

22:28 <ergZay> i have two cross-project IDs for some reason

22:28 <ergZay> boinc isnt merging them

22:28 <ergZay> one of them has almost nothing on it

22:28 <ergZay> and one has everything else

22:28 <ergZay> its odd

22:29 <PovAddict> are you attached to one project in each "group" of CPIDs?

22:29 <PovAddict> on the same computer, that is

22:31 <ergZay> say again?

22:35 <ergZay> ah nvm it doesnt matter

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