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00:02 <MTughan> 'lo ed
00:03 <efc> moo
00:04 <efc> phones at home were out all day
00:13 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Parking (at www.xkcd.com)
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02:27 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023
02:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow showers. No new snow accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet after midnight. Lows around 22 on the North Rim to around 41 along the Colorado River. West winds 15 to 20 mph (2 more messages)
02:27 <BadBarbarian> &more
02:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: early in the evening becoming light...then becoming northwest around 15 mph early in the morning. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Monday - Much cooler. Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 35 on the North Rim to around 62 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows around 17 on the North Rim to around 31 along the (1 more message)
02:27 <BadBarbarian> &more
02:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Colorado River. Light winds.;
02:28 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046
02:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 42°F / 6°C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 29.52in / 1000hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 24mph / 39km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Windy. Partly cloudy. Areas of blowing dust early in the evening. A 30 percent chance of rain and snow showers in the late evening and overnight. No new snow accumulation. Snow level 8500 feet decreasing to 7000 feet (2 more messages)
02:28 <BadBarbarian> @more
02:29 <BadBarbarian> &more
02:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: after midnight. Lows 26 to 32. Southwest winds 20 to 30 mph decreasing to 15 to 20 mph after midnight.; Monday - Much colder. Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers in the morning. No snow accumulation. Highs 40 to 48. Light winds becoming north around 15 mph in the late morning and early afternoon...then becoming light late in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. (1 more message)
02:29 <BadBarbarian> &more
02:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Lows 19 to 25. Light winds.;
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03:24 <CoderForLife> yep Soul_keeper - it looks like you won
03:25 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
03:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 37.5°F / 3.1°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 1.5mph / 2.4km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy through early morning... then clearing. Lows around 30. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph this evening.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday Night - (1 more message)
03:25 <CoderForLife> &more
03:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 40. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;
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04:07 <ELGono> yummy seti rac of 4700 and still increasing
04:07 <ELGono> ;)
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04:16 <CoderForLife> nice
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04:41 <ELGono> just 2 maschines
04:42 <ELGono> well 3 ... she just finished another one hehe
04:42 <ELGono> making about 42cs/week
04:43 <ELGono> or one sah enhanced wu / week
04:43 <ELGono> 150 MHz 64bit 1MB L2 R5000 RISC that is
05:31 <CoderForLife> early to w@#% - laterz
06:19 <desti> is that an old hitachi risc processor?
06:33 <hawmps> 'lo
06:39 * KathrynM has enough problems writing code on her own. She doesn't need the cat to help her.
06:40 <hawmps> lol
06:40 <KathrynM> trying to wrap my head around lists.
06:40 <KathrynM> starting my first real project
06:41 * hawmps is leaving for mexico friday... TGFSF
06:41 <KathrynM> have fun
06:43 * hawmps seriously needs the vacation
06:44 <KathrynM> I need one too.
06:44 <KathrynM> Had 4 classes before lunch, 1 after lunch, a short break, then 8 classes in a row.
06:45 <hawmps> busy day..
06:45 <KathrynM> yeah.
06:45 <KathrynM> I was a zombie by the end of the day.
07:07 <ELGono> desti actally it's a NEC iirc
07:07 <ELGono> lo KathrynM & jay
07:07 <ELGono> just had my first latte macciato outside in the sun (for this year)
07:08 <ELGono> loks like sun is powering up again
07:08 <hawmps> 'lo ElG
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07:46 <ELGono> must be laptops freaking out day today
07:46 <ELGono> first my fan sounds wierd, now heidis laptop-fan stopped working
07:48 <Punky260> sounds not good ..
07:50 <ELGono> just got back laptop from heidis parents ... cable to lcd was broken
07:51 <Punky260> =/
07:51 <ELGono> need to buy a new can of air
07:51 <ELGono> the unduster ;)
07:59 <hawmps> bunny blaster..
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09:12 <Soul_keeper> Morning !
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10:47 <axxum> hi all
10:48 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14700 the most compelling reason for stem cells yet ?
10:50 <axxum> anybody there?
10:55 <axxum> does anybody know if usually astropulse has graphics?
10:55 <axxum> cause i cannot see them in linux
10:56 <Soul_keeper> i havn't ran it since last month, can't remember
10:56 <axxum> ok thanks
10:58 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2005 April 1 - Water on Mars (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)
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11:16 <hawmps> lol - good one.
11:16 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)
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11:21 <nickuwo> ello peeps
11:21 <MTughan> 'lo nickuwo
11:22 <nickuwo> Hey MT, how are ya?
11:22 <MTughan> Doing well.
11:22 <MTughan> How's Ramsey coming along?
11:23 <nickuwo> kinda on pause for another 2-3 weeks. prolly wont be home until then
11:23 <MTughan> K, sounds good.
11:24 <nickuwo> hows syncdoche? you're working on that correct?
11:24 <MTughan> Yep.
11:24 <MTughan> It was going along pretty good.
11:24 <MTughan> We have working builds on all three major platforms now, and they all run and work.
11:25 <nickuwo> nice
11:25 <MTughan> There's been no work over the past couple days, so we all seem to be busy.
11:25 <nickuwo> ahh.
11:26 <nickuwo> right on, well, I'll see ya in a few weeks MT. Have a good one
11:26 <MTughan> Seeya.
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11:31 <ries> Hey All... anybody using worldcommunity grid here?
11:31 <Soul_keeper> yes
11:31 <Romulus> Title: World Community Grid - Home (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)
11:31 <Soul_keeper> ok
11:31 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news March 30, 2009
11:31 <ries> I want to add a second computer, but.....
11:32 <MTughan> Send your password back from where?
11:32 <MTughan> Trying to recover your password?
11:33 <ries> MTughan: from http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/login/forgotPassword.do
11:33 <MTughan> It'll send an email back to the address you gave it, if you gave it one.
11:35 <ries> MTughan: yes I did....
11:35 <ries> on my other computer worldcommunitygrid runs just fine
11:35 <MTughan> Because BOINC doesn't store the password, but another string of characters that uniquely identifies you to the server.
11:36 <ries> I am not much of a rice guy.. but currently it trying to figure out how to make a super rice :)
11:36 <ries> can boinc not tell me what my email address was during registration?
11:37 <MTughan> Doesn't seem so.
11:37 <axxum> hello all
11:37 <axxum> doae anybody know if boinc is down?
11:37 <axxum> i cannot download any unit
11:38 <MTughan> axxum: That doesn't mean anything, because BOINC runs on your computer. Which project?
11:38 <axxum> seti
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11:39 <axxum> cannot download seti unit
11:39 <MTughan> SETI@Home is currently out of work.
11:39 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
11:39 <PovAdct_w> ready to send: 0
11:39 <MTughan> Damn you Pov... :P
11:39 <axxum> aha, ok thanks very much
11:39 <PovAdct_w> ^^
11:40 <MTughan> Anyway, I need to get off to class now...
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11:43 <ries> Hmm I think there mails service is down....
11:43 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin
11:43 <mweltin> greetings
11:43 <mweltin> I got reintroduced to xkcd.
11:44 <PovAdct_w> :)
11:44 <mweltin> I forgot how wonderful that comic was.
11:44 <MTughan> lol... With today's parking one?
11:44 <MTughan> Also, ignore my comment about going off to class... It'
11:44 <MTughan> ..'s a lab, and an easy one at that. I'll do it here.
11:44 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Voting Machines (at xkcd.com)
11:45 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)
11:46 <MTughan> Wow, two correct titles in a row... Rommie's on a roll today!
11:46 <MTughan> xD
11:46 <mweltin> thats funny. did you know I got to the Buddhist priory here in portland once a week?
11:48 <mweltin> wow that's kind of a dark comic.
11:48 <PovAdct_w> it is
11:48 <PovAdct_w> click Random
11:48 <mweltin> I have been
11:48 <mweltin> clearly I'm not ready for work yet this week.
11:49 <MTughan> Yeah, Explosm is a darker comic... They often play on some weird puns though.
11:50 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)
11:50 <MTughan> Like I said, they look at things... A little bit differently.
11:52 <mweltin> no kidding
11:53 <mweltin> btw I'm looking for new music recommendations, so if anything comes to mind let me know.
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11:54 <mweltin> I've been trying to explore stuff on pandora but they have a very limited selection of stuff. I have a bunch of stations that seems to all pick from the same pool of music.
11:54 <MTughan> What kind of music?
11:54 <mweltin> instrumentals
11:54 <MTughan> I've got stuff from rock/pop, hip-hop, metal, electronic, and a couple outliers.
11:55 <mweltin> I usually listen to jazz, but I'm in mood to try to expand my music experience.
11:56 <MTughan> I've been liking Daft Punk lately. They're an electronic/dance group.
11:56 <Soul_keeper> you like "pink" huh ?
11:57 <mweltin> I don't dislike Pink
11:57 <MTughan> The fascination will pass in a couple weeks. Then I'll go back to my full library, with just the occasional song from them.
11:58 <ELGono> madlib is some kind of good adress for hip/hop jazz flavour
12:00 <ELGono> mweltin : look out for recording of The Cinematic Orchestra - Live in the royal albert hall
12:00 <ELGono> maybe you like it
12:00 <ELGono> i did
12:00 <mweltin> ELGono: ok
12:01 <ELGono> electronic influenced, but still some good old instrumentals
12:01 <ELGono> and nice voices
12:01 <Soul_keeper> country wins !!!
12:01 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [02:56:004] 01 - Country_Club .:. Travis_Tritt .:. Country_Club .:. Track 1
12:01 <mweltin> I've been listening to blue grass but it all sounds the same to me.
12:01 <ELGono> np: Pushkarev - Cotton Studio: Topeng -- 42:39
12:01 <mweltin> country is out for me
12:02 <mweltin> ELGono: I found some video on google
12:02 <mweltin> they do a breathe cover?
12:02 <mweltin> this I have to hear.
12:02 <ELGono> indeed
12:05 <ELGono> oh dear
12:05 <ELGono> that sound is wierd
12:05 <ELGono> looking at some mobile phone recording of that
12:07 <ELGono> np: Cinematic Orchestra - Breathe -- 1:52
12:07 <ELGono> much better ;)
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13:06 <ries> MTughan: I think worldcommunitygrid was slow... I just got the passwords
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13:08 <FreeLarry58> &roulette
13:08 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: *click*
13:08 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [02:00:650] (Clint_Black)_Killin'_Time_07_Nothing`s_News
13:08 <FreeLarry58> god start to friday
13:08 <FreeLarry58> even if fingers don't want to type right
13:09 <Soul_keeper> good work larry
13:10 * FreeLarry58 looks at case of soap at feet and glances at Soul_keeper
13:10 <FreeLarry58> ;)
13:10 <Soul_keeper> Ha !
13:10 <FreeLarry58> lol
13:11 <FreeLarry58> in forgiving mood currently so will let pass
13:11 <Soul_keeper> don't worry obama is gonna make us all bend over for that soap
13:12 <FreeLarry58> nope he's got to get inline with the others
13:12 <Soul_keeper> you buying guns lately ?
13:12 <FreeLarry58> all tho there are a lot of politicians getting in line with thier sin taxes increase
13:12 <FreeLarry58> landmines
13:13 <Soul_keeper> excellent
13:14 <FreeLarry58> guns to tempting for me to use on spur of moment - i'm a little to volital to turst myself around them
13:14 <MTughan> ries: Quite possible.
13:14 <ries> thanks for the support.. my other computer runs now
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13:15 <Soul_keeper> FreeLarry58, you'd be the infantry when we have to fight for the constitution :)
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13:15 <FreeLarry58> most likely - but was in navy instead
13:15 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo
13:15 <Soul_keeper> great
13:16 <Soul_keeper> appears they think international law supercedes the people and the constitution
13:17 <yoyo[RKN]> hi
13:17 <FreeLarry58> humm international law more for governments ant international business to observe as global frame of reference and relationships
13:19 <FreeLarry58> morn MTughan and yoyo[RKN] -- belated morn to Soul_keeper -- me and my manners, maybe i ought to have a bite of soap
13:19 <Soul_keeper> lol
13:21 <FreeLarry58> i see a shout saying einstien trying to get up by 1700 utc today - hope they make it could do with a good clearing out on these machines
13:22 * FreeLarry58 places note on screen to remind himself to suspend internet traffic tomorrow before 1600
13:23 <FreeLarry58> don't want to get caught up in the conficker mess they predicting
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13:38 <FreeLarry58> einstien up it seems uploaded and reported
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13:42 <FreeLarry58> thier website still down yet but should make it back in a little bit - at least page saying maintenance showing
14:11 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977
14:11 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 67.5°F / 19.7°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.35in / 993.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Low clouds and fog in the morning then mostly sunny. Highs 70 to 75 in the western valleys to 66 to 71 near the foothills. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 38 to 48. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly (1 more message)
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15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> wb MTughan
15:00 <MTughan_> 'lo yoyo
15:01 <MTughan_> The other nick is still live, this is my laptop.
15:01 <yoyo[RKN]> ah
15:01 <yoyo[RKN]> Jeff build a win32 sse2 optimized version of ecm which is 4% faster
15:01 <MTughan_> I saw. So it is faster?
15:02 <MTughan_> Ah, he timed it.
15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> it has an impact only in phase 2
15:03 <MTughan_> I definitely need more memory...
15:03 <MTughan_> Mon Mar 30 12:06:09 2009|yoyo@home|Message from server: Your computer has 2048.00MB of memory, and a job requires 2284.32MB
15:03 <MTughan_> Mon Mar 30 12:06:09 2009|yoyo@home|Message from server: (there was work but your computer doesn't have enough memory)
15:03 <MTughan_> I've been finding 2GB isn't enough for a lot of stuff I do anyway.
15:04 <yoyo[RKN]> lol
15:04 <MTughan_> I think the chipset supports 8GB, but 4GB RAM sticks are rare and expensive, especially the SDRAM type.
15:04 <MTughan_> SODIMM*
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15:05 <MTughan_> So a 2x2GB combination would probably be the best value.
15:05 <MTughan_> Oh well, I can still crunch others...
15:06 <MTughan_> I have had ecm WUs suspended because they're "Waiting for memory" too...
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15:07 <MTughan_> 'lo kathryn_
15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> I will reduce memory consumption in futur
15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> e
15:08 <ergZay> MTughan_ or MTughan did you get a chance to compile a 10.3.9 app yet?
15:08 <ergZay> for leiden
15:08 <MTughan_> Not yet. I've got a Java assignment I've got to do first, and then I can probably work on it tonight.
15:09 <ergZay> ok
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15:09 <ergZay> im tring to find optimized apps for other projects but i cant seem to find any besides seti@home
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15:09 <MTughan_> For PPC OS X?
15:09 <ergZay> for any OS
15:09 <ergZay> or system
15:10 <MTughan_> You'll usually find optimized apps at smaller projects.
15:10 <ergZay> i could build my own
15:10 <ergZay> but that could get messy
15:10 <MTughan_> Milkyway has many other optimized apps, but it's short on work ATM.
15:10 <ergZay> ah im doing milkyway stuff right now
15:11 <MTughan_> My GPU's doing what work it can on the project.
15:11 <ergZay> mostly pouring through leiden classical apps on this intel core 2 duo on 10.5
15:11 <ergZay> those run through really fast
15:11 <ergZay> an hour per workunit
15:11 <MTughan_> I'm getting fairly good credits from yoyo@home's ecm application. Just compiled all three version for OS X about a week and a half ago for him.
15:12 <MTughan_> I'm having to run WCG alongside it though for those times when ecm takes too much memory to run two of them in my 2GB.
15:12 <ergZay> havent heard of that project
15:12 <ergZay> whats it do
15:13 <MTughan_> yoyo[RKN]?
15:13 <ergZay> yoyo@home
15:13 <yoyo[RKN]> ?
15:13 <MTughan_> No, yoyo[RKN] is the admin. ;)
15:13 <MTughan_> I know what ecm does, but what does the yoyo@home project do in general?
15:14 <ergZay> whats the ecm applicatoin
15:14 <ergZay> application*
15:14 <Romulus> Title: yoyo@home (at www.rechenkraft.net)
15:14 <ergZay> MTughan_: btw if your interested in getting memory, i paid 40 bucks for 4GB of memory for this laptop
15:14 <MTughan_> The C2D?
15:14 <Romulus> hmm... The C2D is 24/7 i game on the P4 no more than an hour or two a day, MTughan_
15:14 <ergZay> from newegg
15:14 <ergZay> yea
15:14 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo@home wrapps existing apps into the boinc world
15:14 <MTughan_> DDR2-667 or DDR3-1066?
15:15 <ergZay> former
15:15 <MTughan_> Yeah, that's cheaper and older.
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15:15 <ergZay> fun splits
15:15 <MTughan_> The new MacBooks use DDR3.
15:15 <yoyo[RKN]> at the beginning my goal was only to learn how the boinc server works
15:16 <ergZay> ah k
15:16 <ergZay> which does it run specifically?
15:16 <ergZay> @MTughan_
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15:16 <MTughan_> The new MacBooks? They run DDR3-1066.
15:16 <hawmps> 6.6.20 out
15:17 <MTughan_> >_>
15:17 <MTughan_> Yeah, the only 8GB kit on Newegg is from Corsair, at $700USD
15:18 <ergZay> dang
15:18 <ergZay> newegg tends to be dirt cheap
15:18 <MTughan_> While I can get a 2x2GB kit for about $60.
15:18 <ergZay> thats odd
15:18 <ergZay> thats hogwash...
15:18 <Soul_keeper> i want a 2x2 kit as well ...
15:18 <MTughan_> Now, I'm in Canada... So do they have the same things on the Canadian version?
15:19 <ergZay> MTughan_: what do you mean?
15:19 <MTughan_> Same 8GB kit for $868CDN.
15:19 <ergZay> ill look
15:19 <MTughan_> And the 2x2GB kits for anywhere from $75-105CDN.
15:20 <MTughan_> I'm gonna take a look at NCIX...
15:21 <MTughan_> NCIX is even more expensive. Gah.
15:21 <MTughan_> I knew there was a reason I went with DDR2 RAM in my desktop...
15:22 <ergZay> they dont sell the 8GB on the US newegg
15:22 <ergZay> looks like
15:23 <ergZay> yea 700
15:23 <ergZay> ah thatas why
15:23 <ergZay> its out of stock
15:23 <MTughan_> Ah, I missed that.
15:23 <ergZay> prices tend to be out of date on out of stock stuff
15:24 <MTughan_> Looks like Newegg is still the best price on 4GB kits.
15:24 <MTughan_> DDR3 desktop RAM is fairly plentiful now because of Core i7, but it's still scarce on notebooks.
15:24 <ergZay> btw if you get on their newsletter they send out newsletter only discounts for random products every week or so
15:24 <ergZay> technically spam
15:24 <MTughan_> I've never bought from Newegg.
15:25 <ergZay> but i saw a $90 1TB hard drive there the other day
15:25 <MTughan_> Most of my stuff is bought from Canada Computers.
15:25 <Romulus> Title: Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! (at www.newegg.com)
15:26 <ergZay> i buy everything from newegg personally
15:26 <ergZay> as they are reliable and i rarely see prices cheaper, and if they are, they arent by much
15:26 <Soul_keeper> me too, i get screwed everytime i buy locally
15:26 <MTughan_> I'd buy from them, but they don't have anything in stock.
15:27 <ergZay> because they sell everything so cheap :P
15:27 <MTughan_> With Canada Computers though, I can save on shipping.
15:27 <MTughan_> Because there's a store not too far from here.
15:27 <ergZay> i havent bought anything from newegg thats been DoA either
15:27 <ergZay> so thats nice
15:28 <ergZay> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344 biggest hard drive on there
15:28 <MTughan_> 2TB WD Green?
15:29 <MTughan_> Yep.
15:29 <ergZay> odd they dont tell the RPM though
15:29 <ergZay> usually do
15:29 <MTughan_> It's variable.
15:29 <MTughan_> It's usually between 5400 and 7200rpm, but most people peg it closer to 5400rpm.
15:30 <MTughan_> Does it to save power. Hence the "Green" moniker.
15:31 <ergZay> when i trade performance for greeness is when the world freezes over
15:31 <MTughan_> Yeah, I'll stick with their Black series of drives, which are performance oriented.
15:32 <ergZay> when in reality anything any western country does is not going to make an inch of difference for so called global warming
15:32 <MTughan_> Blue is halfway in between.
15:32 <ergZay> so no need to try to be green
15:32 <MTughan_> I think in this case, green doesn't refer to the environment, but money. Money for the manu and money for the consumer in saved power.
15:33 <MTughan_> Considering all the SUVs westerners drive around, saving computer power doesn't mean jack sh*t.
15:33 <ergZay> yep
15:33 <ergZay> btw does the place you buy from sell mostly OEM or retail?
15:34 <MTughan_> Depends on the product. Most of the OSes I've seen have been OEM.
15:35 <ergZay> MTughan_: btw where were those milkyway optimized apps you said there were
15:36 <MTughan_> For which OS?
15:36 <ergZay> OS X
15:36 <ergZay> intel
15:37 <ergZay> or anything
15:37 <ergZay> only system i dont have is CUDA
15:40 <ergZay> MTughan_: jedirock = you?
15:40 <MTughan_> Yes.
15:40 <ergZay> ah k
15:43 <ergZay> MTughan_: does it auto detect SSE types available?
15:43 <MTughan_> No. The SSE types are hardcoded.
15:43 <ergZay> hard coded for what
15:44 <ergZay> C2D?
15:45 <MTughan_> Altivec on PPC, SSE(1-3) on i686, SSE(1-3) and SSSE3 on x86_64.
15:47 <ergZay> what do you mean by 1-3 so it auto detects then
15:48 <MTughan_> No, it doesn't autodetect. The application has binaries for all three architectures in there. When it's run, OS X chooses the best one for your system, which is usually your native arch.
15:49 <ergZay> what about SSE4.1?
15:49 <MTughan_> Not supported by the current version of GCC.
15:50 <jasong> What's the Linux command structure to make commandline output both go to a file and output on the screen?
15:52 <jasong> nm, I'll just use tail
15:52 <jasong> lol, can you tell I'm a noobie programmer?
15:54 <ergZay> tee it
15:54 <ergZay> jasong: man tee
15:54 <ergZay> really easy to use
15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> use tee jasong
15:56 <ergZay> example: echo "hi" | tee file
15:56 <ergZay> will print hi to screen and put it in a file named "file"
15:57 <MTughan_> bbl
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16:04 <xcamel> re-hi
16:04 <Soul_keeper> jasong, ./test.sh > World.log >&2
16:04 <Soul_keeper> and MTughan sse 4.1 is supported in the latest gcc
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16:06 <Soul_keeper> infact 4.2 and 5 are also supported
16:06 <ergZay> MTughan: when you get back, what are the gcc flags to use SSE instructions
16:07 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yes, but the latest version from Apple is 4.0.1. There is a 4.2 build included, but I haven't tried building with it.
16:07 <MTughan> ergZay: -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse
16:07 <MTughan> What I use for i686.
16:08 <Soul_keeper> yeah the 4.2.x tree won't support it
16:08 <ergZay> k thx
16:08 <ergZay> i wana try building the leiden source optimized
16:08 <Soul_keeper> 4.3.x is the cutting edge
16:08 <MTughan> K.
16:08 <ergZay> anyone wana help me on this one though?
16:08 <ergZay> ld: cycle in dylib re-exports with /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.dylib
16:08 <ergZay> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
16:08 <ergZay> havent seen one like that before
16:08 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yep, but remember that OS X uses the Mach-O binary format, not ELF or whatever Windows uses.
16:09 <MTughan> ergZay: What are you using to link against libGL?
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16:09 <Soul_keeper> yeah windows is gay ...
16:09 <ergZay> g++ -O3 -ffloat-store -bind_at_load -framework System -framework Carbon -framework Cocoa -framework GLUT -o ../BOINC_ClassicalDynamics_MacIntel.x *.o -L../crlibm_libs/apple/intel -lcrlibm -L../boinc_libs/apple/intel -lboinc_graphics_api -lboinc_api -lboinc -L/sw/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lXi -lSM -lICE -lX11
16:09 <ergZay> thats the line
16:09 <MTughan> I've also got a request from the NQueens guy to build their OS X application.
16:10 <MTughan> g++ -O3 -ffloat-store -bind_at_load -framework System -framework Carbon -framework Cocoa -framework GLUT -o ../BOINC_ClassicalDynamics_MacIntel.x *.o -L../crlibm_libs/apple/intel -lcrlibm -L../boinc_libs/apple/intel -lboinc_graphics_api -lboinc_api -lboinc -L/sw/lib -framework OpenGL
16:10 <MTughan> Try that.
16:10 <ergZay> works
16:10 <ergZay> whats with all those libs
16:11 <ergZay> and are we getting everything by excluding those
16:11 <MTughan> System, Carbon, Cocoa, GLUT, and OpenGL?
16:12 <ergZay> no i mean
16:12 <ergZay> -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lXi -lSM -lICE -lX11
16:12 <ergZay> unneeded?
16:12 <MTughan> I'll play around with those tonight, see what's going on. I'll also replace those precompiled versions of boinc_graphics_api, boinc_api, and boinc with my own compiled versions.
16:12 <MTughan> No, they're all contained within the OpenGL framework. :P
16:12 <ergZay> ahhh
16:12 <ergZay> ive compiled tons of software but never worked to get something to compile before lol
16:12 <ergZay> so this is new for me
16:12 <MTughan> So it's cleaner and more portable just to use the framework.
16:13 <ergZay> whats the comment character for makefiles?
16:13 <MTughan> #
16:13 <ergZay> to comment out a line
16:13 <ergZay> k
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16:16 <MTughan> Leiden will be next.
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16:19 <ergZay> k nice
16:23 <MTughan> lol... "LrdKittoa: calling taco bell mexican food is like calling micheal jackson black. It's sort of true, but... no, not really."
16:28 <ergZay> oh well thats fun, i compiled the leiden app with the sse opts but if i turn on -mssse3 and -m64 it errors saying the libraries arent built in 64bit
16:29 <ergZay> which i can see why you have to rebuild them
16:29 <MTughan> Yeah, I have my own customized copies.
16:29 <MTughan> No telling if they're builds are compatible with 10.3.9 either.
16:29 <MTughan> their*
16:29 <ergZay> na im trying for my C2D at the moment
16:30 <ergZay> ill leave the 10.3.9 to you
16:30 <MTughan> BTW, try "-arch i386" and "-arch x86_64" instead of -m32 or -m64.
16:30 <ergZay> out of curiosity have you checked what alex does for his intel mac apps?
16:30 <ergZay> for seti@home
16:30 <MTughan> Alex?
16:30 <MTughan> I've never compiled any S@H apps.
16:32 <Romulus> Title: Multibeam and Astropulse Combined Packages (at www.arkayn.us)
16:32 <ergZay> "Many thanks to Alex Kan for the OSX optimized Multi Beam apps."
16:33 <MTughan> No, I don't know what he uses.
16:33 <ergZay> ive heard that they run much faster than the PC apps
16:33 <MTughan> He may have done some code tweaks. I usually don't tweak the code.
16:37 <ergZay> is there somewhere the app_info.xml syntax is listed
16:37 <ergZay> i havent found any on the wiki and i kind of guess may way through how to write or modify them
16:39 <MTughan> Check the app_info from my application at MW. You can just modify that.
16:40 <ergZay> or better yet somehow extract what the "default" app_info.xml is for the project
16:40 <ergZay> after which i can just modify it
16:41 <MTughan> That info would be in client_state.xml.
16:41 <ergZay> that had several lines that i didnt recognize that wrent in seti@home app_info.xml
16:41 <ergZay> yours did i mean
16:41 <ergZay> ah thx
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17:41 <xcamel> re-back
17:41 <MTughan> 'lo jay
17:42 <MTughan> brb
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17:43 <MTughan> Hmm, not quite what I wanted...
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17:45 <MTughan> That's better.
17:45 <xcamel> keep booting yourself..
17:45 <MTughan> :P
17:45 * MTughan points to his hostmask
17:45 <MTughan> IPv6 access.
17:49 <xcamel> uh-huh.
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17:53 <ergZay> MTughan: lol well this is interesting i think i did something wrong, i tried my self-compiled leiden apps
17:53 <ergZay> they run about 10x slower
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17:53 <ergZay> if that
17:54 <ergZay> oh wait nvm
17:54 <ergZay> seems to be wroking
17:54 <ergZay> long lag time there for some reason
17:54 <MTughan> ;)
17:54 <MTughan> Happens from time to time.
17:54 <MTughan> Gonna start testing the NQueens app within an hour.
17:54 <ergZay> i havent checked though, how do i know these are working accurately
17:54 <ergZay> i dont wana turn in bad data
17:55 <MTughan> Only way is to either find a test WU to check against, or check if the server validates the WU.
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18:02 <ergZay> MTughan: want me to test it on my 10.3.9 machines?
18:02 <ergZay> seeing as you dont have one
18:02 <ergZay> dont have a ppc machine either
18:02 <ergZay> you said
18:02 <MTughan> Sure, if you'd like too.
18:02 <ergZay> im not doing anything until 7 PM eastern time so sure
18:03 <ergZay> and not doing much then
18:03 <ergZay> either upload em somewhere or dcc em
18:03 <MTughan> I just want to let it run through one WU on my machine to make sure it'll actually work, and then I can give you a copy with an appropriate app_info.
18:03 <ergZay> k
18:04 <ergZay> ill run it on my dual processor G5 machine and my old G4 laptop
18:04 <ergZay> and this C2D if you want as well
18:04 <MTughan> Sure, I can give you both if you'd like.
18:05 <ergZay> how long you think its going to take on the one WU?
18:06 <ergZay> just so i know when to check back on IRC
18:06 <MTughan> Not sure. I'm just finishing off a WU that I had downloaded when I attached my Mac to NQueens. I'll test afterwards.
18:06 <CoderForLife> bbl - I need to read about how to set up a BOINC project
18:06 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, buy one of those IBM power5 things
18:07 <Soul_keeper> hmmm they are up to power7 it seems ...
18:07 <Soul_keeper> Currently in development at IBM, POWER7 will be the first of the Peta-Series. It's projected for release around 2010 and has been selected by DARPA as a potential processor to be used in their Peta-FLOPS SuperComputer.
18:09 <ergZay> IBM is still competitive with intel processors?
18:09 <Soul_keeper> xcamel, that chart is saying you only got 3 friends :(
18:09 <xcamel> or 2 enemies..
18:10 <Soul_keeper> ergZay, not really, unless you're a multi-million dollar paycheck and they custom build you one
18:10 <ergZay> RISC is still better than CISC though
18:10 <Soul_keeper> IBM can beat anything if you pay them enough
18:11 <ergZay> MTughan: so around when should i be expecting yo to send it to me? tonight? in an hour? tomorrow?
18:12 <ergZay> rough estimate is fine
18:12 <MTughan> No idea. Depends on how long my application will take, and I can't begin to estimate that for another 30 minutes.
18:13 <MTughan> It's 6:12 EST now, I'm getting dinner around 7PM.
18:13 <Soul_keeper> POWER6 / 4.2 GHz
18:13 <Soul_keeper> 4-core
18:13 <Soul_keeper> 4 MB per processor core
18:13 <Soul_keeper> $16,994.00 IBM Web price*
18:13 <Soul_keeper> a 3GHz C2Q should beat that in most things
18:14 <MTughan> Mine was ~$250CDN, clocked at 3.26GHz now.
18:14 <Soul_keeper> prices have come down a lot over the past year or two tho ...
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18:15 <zombie67> MT? What was that dns flush command again?
18:15 <MTughan> Windows?
18:15 <Romulus> It has been said that Windows is not nearly as SHA1 computational friendly as Linux, MTughan
18:15 <MTughan> lol, true...
18:15 <zombie67> found it
18:15 <mweltin> hi zombie67
18:15 <MTughan> BTW, I'm helping to compile an NQueens OS X application as we speak.
18:16 <zombie67> hi mweltin!
18:16 <zombie67> MT: cool. it took hime a couple weeks to read and respond to the PM
18:16 <mweltin> nice to "see" you
18:16 <zombie67> yeah, are you still in the south paific?
18:16 <zombie67> pacific
18:16 <mweltin> sadly no
18:17 <mweltin> back in Portland
18:17 <zombie67> I was in portland a couple weeks ago
18:17 <mweltin> and w-o-r-k-i-n-g full time
18:17 <zombie67> well, hillsboro
18:17 <mweltin> close enough
18:17 <mweltin> intel?
18:17 <Romulus> Somebody said intel is taking 3Tflops per chip, mweltin
18:17 <zombie67> Sun Micro
18:18 <wdsmia_> re-hi
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18:18 <mweltin> did you get out at all ? In to the sun and fun that is Portland?
18:19 <ergZay> when i run two WUs concurrently on a dual core is there a hit in CPU time based on them sharing a cache?
18:19 <ergZay> of a detectable nature
18:19 <zombie67> no, all work. Was there for only 1.5 days
18:20 <mweltin> sun doesn't mess around.
18:20 <mweltin> anything to the rumor IBM is buying sun?
18:28 <MTughan> Well, I'm going to hit dinner now... bbl
18:33 <ELGono> yummy just had late night dinner
18:33 <ELGono> ;)
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18:56 <zombie67> no, no real news about that rumor.
18:56 <zombie67> us grunts are always the last to know.
19:01 <ergZay> MTughan: k it looks like they took about a 100 seconds longer on my self compiled versions as compared to theirs
19:02 <mweltin> the economy must be getting better as I got a email from a head hunter today.
19:02 <mweltin> I thought they were all out of a job by now.
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19:17 <ergZay> i wish
19:17 <ergZay> ive been out of a job for a while
19:17 <Soul_keeper> the mexican drug cartels are hiring
19:18 <ergZay> lol
19:22 <xcamel> poor job security..
19:23 <ELGono> GM is looking for a new CEO
19:23 <xcamel> they have one... O'Bummer.
19:24 <ELGono> Kent Kresa wasn't the worse choice
19:24 <ELGono> real "man in black"
19:27 <Soul_keeper> GM isn't looking for anything
19:27 <Soul_keeper> the obama admin will give the board of directors an acceptable list of puppets to choose from
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19:29 <ELGono> today german rail chief went
19:29 <ELGono> finally
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21:44 <Soul_keeper> xcamel, was it talking ?
21:45 <Soul_keeper> I guess i'm not important enough here to ask politely to remove my bot
21:46 <xcamel> &wx 12074
21:46 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 34.2°F / 1.2°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy and blustery. Lows in the lower 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 45 mph...diminishing to around 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Not as cool with highs (1 more message)
21:46 <xcamel> &more
21:46 <Romulus> xcamel: in the mid 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming north in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 30s. East winds around 5 mph.;
21:48 <xcamel> Frankly, I did not remember who owned it, and it wasn't serving any purpose.
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21:52 <Soul_keeper> it does financial stuff ...
21:53 <Soul_keeper> basically it's too good for this channel now
21:54 <xcamel> one bot policy unless romy goes awol.
21:54 <Soul_keeper> no, you missed your chance now :)
21:57 <Soul_keeper> yup, life isn't always fair
22:00 <Soul_keeper> some people don't understand the concept of triggers
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22:07 <Soul_keeper> whatever, the feeling is mutual
22:11 <MTughan> xcamel: Can you turn off URL fetching in #boinc_dev?
22:11 <MTughan> It's usually a hindrance more than a help.
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22:16 <Soul_keeper> amd apparently released the R700 instruction set :)
22:17 <MTughan> bbl
22:18 <MTughan> xcamel: "&config plugins.web.titleSnarfer.#boinc_dev False" will turn it off.
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22:30 <Soul_keeper> good work
23:01 <ergZay> MTughan: hows the NQueens testing going
23:05 <ergZay> wow
23:05 <ergZay> i just got out of memory warnings
23:05 <ergZay> 4GB of memory
23:05 <ergZay> computer paused some apps
23:05 <ergZay> never seen that happen
23:09 <Soul_keeper> check your project settings
23:10 <Soul_keeper> shouldn't do that if you allow it to use 100% of memory and 100% of swap
23:23 <Soul_keeper> "And Dude you must be on Crack Cocaine or Meth if you believe Linux is running more webservers and mailservers, MS has about 92% of this market." where do these people come from ?
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23:31 <ergZay> Soul_keeper: wasnt boinc
23:31 <ergZay> was my general apps
23:32 <ergZay> World of warcraft, safari with 20 tabs open and x-chat
23:32 <ergZay> with too much text loaded
23:32 <Soul_keeper> then that would depend on the app itself ...
23:32 <Soul_keeper> ahhh windows, that explains it
23:32 <ergZay> mac os x
23:32 <ergZay> never seen it before
23:32 <ergZay> world of warcraft only uses 1.2GB of ram
23:32 <ergZay> at max
23:32 <ergZay> something was leaking dunno what
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