IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-03-30

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00:02 <MTughan> 'lo ed

00:03 <efc> moo

00:04 <efc> phones at home were out all day

00:13 <MTughan> rofl... http://www.xkcd.com/562/

00:13 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Parking (at www.xkcd.com)

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02:27 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

02:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 34F / 1C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow showers. No new snow accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet after midnight. Lows around 22 on the North Rim to around 41 along the Colorado River. West winds 15 to 20 mph (2 more messages)

02:27 <BadBarbarian> &more

02:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: early in the evening becoming light...then becoming northwest around 15 mph early in the morning. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Monday - Much cooler. Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 35 on the North Rim to around 62 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows around 17 on the North Rim to around 31 along the (1 more message)

02:27 <BadBarbarian> &more

02:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Colorado River. Light winds.;

02:28 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046

02:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 42F / 6C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 29.52in / 1000hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 24mph / 39km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Windy. Partly cloudy. Areas of blowing dust early in the evening. A 30 percent chance of rain and snow showers in the late evening and overnight. No new snow accumulation. Snow level 8500 feet decreasing to 7000 feet (2 more messages)

02:28 <BadBarbarian> @more

02:29 <BadBarbarian> &more

02:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: after midnight. Lows 26 to 32. Southwest winds 20 to 30 mph decreasing to 15 to 20 mph after midnight.; Monday - Much colder. Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers in the morning. No snow accumulation. Highs 40 to 48. Light winds becoming north around 15 mph in the late morning and early afternoon...then becoming light late in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. (1 more message)

02:29 <BadBarbarian> &more

02:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Lows 19 to 25. Light winds.;

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03:24 <CoderForLife> yep Soul_keeper - it looks like you won

03:25 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 37.5F / 3.1C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 1.5mph / 2.4km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy through early morning... then clearing. Lows around 30. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph this evening.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday Night - (1 more message)

03:25 <CoderForLife> &more

03:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 40. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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04:07 <ELGono> yummy seti rac of 4700 and still increasing

04:07 <ELGono> ;)

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04:16 <CoderForLife> nice

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04:41 <ELGono> just 2 maschines

04:42 <ELGono> well 3 ... she just finished another one hehe

04:42 <ELGono> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4256043

04:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cjyrpa> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

04:42 <ELGono> making about 42cs/week

04:43 <ELGono> or one sah enhanced wu / week

04:43 <ELGono> 150 MHz 64bit 1MB L2 R5000 RISC that is

05:31 <CoderForLife> early to w@#% - laterz

06:19 <desti> is that an old hitachi risc processor?

06:33 <hawmps> 'lo

06:39 * KathrynM has enough problems writing code on her own. She doesn't need the cat to help her.

06:40 <hawmps> lol

06:40 <KathrynM> trying to wrap my head around lists.

06:40 <KathrynM> starting my first real project

06:41 * hawmps is leaving for mexico friday... TGFSF

06:41 <KathrynM> have fun

06:43 * hawmps seriously needs the vacation

06:44 <KathrynM> I need one too.

06:44 <KathrynM> Had 4 classes before lunch, 1 after lunch, a short break, then 8 classes in a row.

06:45 <hawmps> busy day..

06:45 <KathrynM> yeah.

06:45 <KathrynM> I was a zombie by the end of the day.

07:07 <ELGono> desti actally it's a NEC iirc

07:07 <ELGono> lo KathrynM & jay

07:07 <ELGono> just had my first latte macciato outside in the sun (for this year)

07:08 <ELGono> loks like sun is powering up again

07:08 <hawmps> 'lo ElG

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07:46 <ELGono> must be laptops freaking out day today

07:46 <ELGono> first my fan sounds wierd, now heidis laptop-fan stopped working

07:48 <Punky260> sounds not good ..

07:50 <ELGono> just got back laptop from heidis parents ... cable to lcd was broken

07:51 <Punky260> =/

07:51 <ELGono> need to buy a new can of air

07:51 <ELGono> the unduster ;)

07:59 <hawmps> bunny blaster..

08:09 <ELGono> rotfl http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/29/jacqui-smith-uk-minister-_n_180484.html

08:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cqsrxy> (at www.huffingtonpost.com)

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09:12 <Soul_keeper> Morning !

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10:47 <axxum> hi all

10:48 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14700   the most compelling reason for stem cells yet ?

10:48 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d549m9> (at www.dailytech.com)

10:50 <axxum> anybody there?

10:55 <axxum> does anybody know if usually astropulse has graphics?

10:55 <axxum> cause i cannot see them in linux

10:56 <Soul_keeper> i havn't ran it since last month, can't remember

10:56 <axxum> ok thanks

10:57 <PovAddict> water on mars! http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050401.html

10:58 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2005 April 1 - Water on Mars (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

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11:16 <hawmps> lol - good one.

11:16 <MTughan> http://www.explosm.net/comics/1608/

11:16 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)

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11:21 <nickuwo> ello peeps

11:21 <MTughan> 'lo nickuwo

11:22 <nickuwo> Hey MT, how are ya?

11:22 <MTughan> Doing well.

11:22 <MTughan> How's Ramsey coming along?

11:23 <nickuwo> kinda on pause for another 2-3 weeks. prolly wont be home until then

11:23 <MTughan> K, sounds good.

11:24 <nickuwo> hows syncdoche? you're working on that correct?

11:24 <MTughan> Yep.

11:24 <MTughan> It was going along pretty good.

11:24 <MTughan> We have working builds on all three major platforms now, and they all run and work.

11:25 <nickuwo> nice

11:25 <MTughan> There's been no work over the past couple days, so we all seem to be busy.

11:25 <nickuwo> ahh.

11:26 <nickuwo> right on, well, I'll see ya in a few weeks MT. Have a good one

11:26 <MTughan> Seeya.

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11:31 <ries> Hey All... anybody using worldcommunity grid here?

11:31 <Soul_keeper> yes

11:31 <ries> For some reason http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org doesn't send my password back :s

11:31 <Romulus> Title: World Community Grid - Home (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

11:31 <Soul_keeper> ok

11:31 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news March 30, 2009

11:31 <ries> I want to add a second computer, but.....

11:32 <MTughan> Send your password back from where?

11:32 <MTughan> Trying to recover your password?

11:33 <ries> MTughan: from http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/login/forgotPassword.do

11:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cp9yrk> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

11:33 <MTughan> It'll send an email back to the address you gave it, if you gave it one.

11:35 <ries> MTughan: yes I did....

11:35 <ries> on my other computer worldcommunitygrid runs just fine

11:35 <MTughan> Because BOINC doesn't store the password, but another string of characters that uniquely identifies you to the server.

11:36 <ries> I am not much of a rice guy.. but currently it trying to figure out how to make a super rice :)

11:36 <ries> can boinc not tell me what my email address was during registration?

11:37 <MTughan> Doesn't seem so.

11:37 <axxum> hello all

11:37 <axxum> doae anybody know if boinc is down?

11:37 <axxum> i cannot download any unit

11:38 <MTughan> axxum: That doesn't mean anything, because BOINC runs on your computer. Which project?

11:38 <axxum> seti

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11:39 <axxum> cannot download seti unit

11:39 <MTughan> SETI@Home is currently out of work.

11:39 <PovAdct_w> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

11:39 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

11:39 <MTughan> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

11:39 <PovAdct_w> ready to send: 0

11:39 <MTughan> Damn you Pov... :P

11:39 <axxum> aha, ok thanks very much

11:39 <PovAdct_w> ^^

11:40 <MTughan> Anyway, I need to get off to class now...

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11:43 <ries> Hmm I think there mails service is down....

11:43 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

11:43 <mweltin> greetings

11:43 <mweltin> I got reintroduced to xkcd.

11:44 <PovAdct_w> :)

11:44 <mweltin> I forgot how wonderful that comic was.

11:44 <MTughan> lol... With today's parking one?

11:44 <MTughan> Also, ignore my comment about going off to class... It'

11:44 <MTughan> ..'s a lab, and an easy one at that. I'll do it here.

11:44 <mweltin> that was good, but this one had me laughing out loud on the bus today. http://xkcd.com/463/

11:44 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Voting Machines (at xkcd.com)

11:45 <MTughan> http://www.explosm.net/comics/1608/

11:45 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)

11:46 <MTughan> Wow, two correct titles in a row... Rommie's on a roll today!

11:46 <MTughan> xD

11:46 <mweltin> thats funny.  did you know I got to the Buddhist priory here in portland once a week?

11:48 <mweltin> wow that's kind of a dark comic.

11:48 <PovAdct_w> it is

11:48 <PovAdct_w> click Random

11:48 <mweltin> I have been

11:48 <mweltin> clearly I'm not ready for work yet this week.

11:49 <MTughan> Yeah, Explosm is a darker comic... They often play on some weird puns though.

11:50 <PovAdct_w> http://www.explosm.net/comics/568/

11:50 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)

11:50 <MTughan> Like I said, they look at things... A little bit differently.

11:52 <mweltin> no kidding

11:53 <mweltin> btw I'm looking for new music recommendations, so if anything comes to mind let me know.

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11:54 <mweltin> I've been trying to explore stuff on pandora but they have a very limited selection of stuff.   I have a bunch of stations that seems to all pick from the same pool of music.

11:54 <MTughan> What kind of music?

11:54 <mweltin> instrumentals

11:54 <MTughan> I've got stuff from rock/pop, hip-hop, metal, electronic, and a couple outliers.

11:55 <mweltin> I usually listen to jazz,  but I'm in mood to try to expand my music experience.

11:56 <MTughan> I've been liking Daft Punk lately. They're an electronic/dance group.

11:56 <Soul_keeper> you like "pink" huh ?

11:57 <mweltin> I don't dislike Pink

11:57 <MTughan> The fascination will pass in a couple weeks. Then I'll go back to my full library, with just the occasional song from them.

11:58 <ELGono> madlib is some kind of good adress for hip/hop jazz flavour

12:00 <ELGono> mweltin : look out for recording of The Cinematic Orchestra - Live in the royal albert hall

12:00 <ELGono> maybe you like it

12:00 <ELGono> i did

12:00 <mweltin> ELGono: ok

12:01 <ELGono> electronic influenced, but still some good old instrumentals

12:01 <ELGono> and nice voices

12:01 <Soul_keeper> country wins !!!

12:01 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [02:56:004] 01 - Country_Club .:. Travis_Tritt .:. Country_Club .:. Track 1

12:01 <mweltin> I've been listening to blue grass but it all sounds the same to me.

12:01 <ELGono> np: Pushkarev - Cotton Studio: Topeng -- 42:39

12:01 <mweltin> country is out for me

12:02 <mweltin> ELGono: I found some video on google

12:02 <mweltin> they do a breathe cover?

12:02 <mweltin> this I have to hear.

12:02 <ELGono> indeed

12:05 <ELGono> oh dear

12:05 <ELGono> that sound is wierd

12:05 <ELGono> looking at some mobile phone recording of that

12:07 <ELGono> np: Cinematic Orchestra - Breathe -- 1:52

12:07 <ELGono> much better ;)

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13:06 <ries> MTughan: I think worldcommunitygrid was slow... I just got the passwords

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13:08 <FreeLarry58> &roulette

13:08 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: *click*

13:08 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [02:00:650] (Clint_Black)_Killin'_Time_07_Nothing`s_News

13:08 <FreeLarry58> god start to friday

13:08 <FreeLarry58> even if fingers don't want to type right

13:09 <Soul_keeper> good work larry

13:10 * FreeLarry58 looks at case of soap at feet and glances at Soul_keeper

13:10 <FreeLarry58> ;)

13:10 <Soul_keeper> Ha !

13:10 <FreeLarry58> lol

13:11 <FreeLarry58> in forgiving mood currently so will let pass

13:11 <Soul_keeper> don't worry obama is gonna make us all bend over for that soap

13:12 <FreeLarry58> nope he's got to get inline with the others

13:12 <Soul_keeper> you buying guns lately ?

13:12 <FreeLarry58> all tho there are a lot of politicians getting in line with thier sin taxes increase

13:12 <FreeLarry58> landmines

13:13 <Soul_keeper> excellent

13:14 <FreeLarry58> guns to tempting for me to use on spur of moment - i'm a little to volital to turst myself around them

13:14 <MTughan> ries: Quite possible.

13:14 <ries> thanks for the support.. my other computer runs now

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13:15 <Soul_keeper> FreeLarry58, you'd be the infantry when we have to fight for the constitution :)

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13:15 <FreeLarry58> most likely - but was in navy instead

13:15 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

13:15 <Soul_keeper> great

13:16 <Soul_keeper> appears they think international law supercedes the people and the constitution

13:17 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

13:17 <FreeLarry58> humm international law more for governments ant international business to observe as global frame of reference and relationships

13:19 <FreeLarry58> morn MTughan and yoyo[RKN] -- belated morn to Soul_keeper -- me and my manners, maybe i ought to have a bite of soap

13:19 <Soul_keeper> lol

13:21 <FreeLarry58> i see a shout saying einstien trying to get up by 1700 utc today - hope they make it could do with a good clearing out on these machines

13:22 * FreeLarry58 places note on screen to remind himself to suspend internet traffic tomorrow before 1600

13:23 <FreeLarry58> don't want to get caught up in the conficker mess they predicting

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13:38 <FreeLarry58> einstien up it seems uploaded and reported

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13:42 <FreeLarry58> thier website still down yet but should make it back in a little bit - at least page saying maintenance showing

14:11 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

14:11 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 67.5F / 19.7C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.35in / 993.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Low clouds and fog in the morning then mostly sunny. Highs 70 to 75 in the western valleys to 66 to 71 near the foothills. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 38 to 48. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly (1 more message)

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14:38 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/Stocks/Gun.wmv

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15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> wb MTughan

15:00 <MTughan_> 'lo yoyo

15:01 <MTughan_> The other nick is still live, this is my laptop.

15:01 <yoyo[RKN]> ah

15:01 <yoyo[RKN]> Jeff build a win32 sse2 optimized version of ecm which is 4% faster

15:01 <MTughan_> I saw. So it is faster?

15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=167304#post167304

15:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cla4uh> (at www.mersenneforum.org)

15:02 <MTughan_> Ah, he timed it.

15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> it has an impact only in phase 2

15:03 <MTughan_> I definitely need more memory...

15:03 <MTughan_> Mon Mar 30 12:06:09 2009|yoyo@home|Message from server: Your computer has 2048.00MB of memory, and a job requires 2284.32MB

15:03 <MTughan_> Mon Mar 30 12:06:09 2009|yoyo@home|Message from server: (there was work but your computer doesn't have enough memory)

15:03 <MTughan_> I've been finding 2GB isn't enough for a lot of stuff I do anyway.

15:04 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

15:04 <MTughan_> I think the chipset supports 8GB, but 4GB RAM sticks are rare and expensive, especially the SDRAM type.

15:04 <MTughan_> SODIMM*

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15:05 <MTughan_> So a 2x2GB combination would probably be the best value.

15:05 <MTughan_> Oh well, I can still crunch others...

15:06 <MTughan_> I have had ecm WUs suspended because they're "Waiting for memory" too...

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15:07 <MTughan_> 'lo kathryn_

15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> I will reduce memory consumption in futur

15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> e

15:08 <ergZay> MTughan_ or MTughan did you get a chance to compile a 10.3.9 app yet?

15:08 <ergZay> for leiden

15:08 <MTughan_> Not yet. I've got a Java assignment I've got to do first, and then I can probably work on it tonight.

15:09 <ergZay> ok

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15:09 <ergZay> im tring to find optimized apps for other projects but i cant seem to find any besides seti@home

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15:09 <MTughan_> For PPC OS X?

15:09 <ergZay> for any OS

15:09 <ergZay> or system

15:10 <MTughan_> You'll usually find optimized apps at smaller projects.

15:10 <ergZay> i could build my own

15:10 <ergZay> but that could get messy

15:10 <MTughan_> Milkyway has many other optimized apps, but it's short on work ATM.

15:10 <ergZay> ah im doing milkyway stuff right now

15:11 <MTughan_> My GPU's doing what work it can on the project.

15:11 <ergZay> mostly pouring through leiden classical apps on this intel core 2 duo on 10.5

15:11 <ergZay> those run through really fast

15:11 <ergZay> an hour per workunit

15:11 <MTughan_> I'm getting fairly good credits from yoyo@home's ecm application. Just compiled all three version for OS X about a week and a half ago for him.

15:12 <MTughan_> I'm having to run WCG alongside it though for those times when ecm takes too much memory to run two of them in my 2GB.

15:12 <ergZay> havent heard of that project

15:12 <ergZay> whats it do

15:13 <MTughan_> yoyo[RKN]?

15:13 <ergZay> yoyo@home

15:13 <yoyo[RKN]> ?

15:13 <MTughan_> No, yoyo[RKN] is the admin. ;)

15:13 <MTughan_> I know what ecm does, but what does the yoyo@home project do in general?

15:14 <yoyo[RKN]> box in the middle describes shortly all subapps http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/

15:14 <ergZay> whats the ecm applicatoin

15:14 <ergZay> application*

15:14 <Romulus> Title: yoyo@home (at www.rechenkraft.net)

15:14 <ergZay> MTughan_: btw if your interested in getting memory, i paid 40 bucks for 4GB of memory for this laptop

15:14 <MTughan_> The C2D?

15:14 <Romulus> hmm... The C2D is 24/7 i game on the P4 no more than an hour or two a day, MTughan_

15:14 <ergZay> from newegg

15:14 <ergZay> yea

15:14 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo@home wrapps existing apps into the boinc world

15:14 <MTughan_> DDR2-667 or DDR3-1066?

15:15 <ergZay> former

15:15 <MTughan_> Yeah, that's cheaper and older.

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15:15 <ergZay> fun splits

15:15 <MTughan_> The new MacBooks use DDR3.

15:15 <yoyo[RKN]> at the beginning my goal was only to learn how the boinc server works

15:16 <ergZay> ah k

15:16 <ergZay> which does it run specifically?

15:16 <ergZay> @MTughan_

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15:16 <MTughan_> The new MacBooks? They run DDR3-1066.

15:16 <hawmps> 6.6.20 out

15:17 <MTughan_> >_>

15:17 <MTughan_> Yeah, the only 8GB kit on Newegg is from Corsair, at $700USD

15:18 <ergZay> dang

15:18 <ergZay> newegg tends to be dirt cheap

15:18 <MTughan_> While I can get a 2x2GB kit for about $60.

15:18 <ergZay> thats odd

15:18 <ergZay> thats hogwash...

15:18 <Soul_keeper> i want a 2x2 kit as well ...

15:18 <MTughan_> Now, I'm in Canada... So do they have the same things on the Canadian version?

15:19 <ergZay> MTughan_: what do you mean?

15:19 <MTughan_> Same 8GB kit for $868CDN.

15:19 <ergZay> ill look

15:19 <MTughan_> And the 2x2GB kits for anywhere from $75-105CDN.

15:20 <MTughan_> I'm gonna take a look at NCIX...

15:21 <MTughan_> NCIX is even more expensive. Gah.

15:21 <MTughan_> I knew there was a reason I went with DDR2 RAM in my desktop...

15:22 <ergZay> they dont sell the 8GB on the US newegg

15:22 <ergZay> looks like

15:22 <MTughan_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233081

15:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dd3foq> (at www.newegg.com)

15:23 <ergZay> yea 700

15:23 <ergZay> ah thatas why

15:23 <ergZay> its out of stock

15:23 <MTughan_> Ah, I missed that.

15:23 <ergZay> prices tend to be out of date on out of stock stuff

15:24 <MTughan_> Looks like Newegg is still the best price on 4GB kits.

15:24 <MTughan_> DDR3 desktop RAM is fairly plentiful now because of Core i7, but it's still scarce on notebooks.

15:24 <ergZay> btw if you get on their newsletter they send out newsletter only discounts for random products every week or so

15:24 <ergZay> technically spam

15:24 <MTughan_> I've never bought from Newegg.

15:25 <ergZay> but i saw a $90 1TB hard drive there the other day

15:25 <MTughan_> Most of my stuff is bought from Canada Computers.

15:25 <Soul_keeper> the newsletter just links you to this site    http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx         changes daily

15:25 <Romulus> Title: Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! (at www.newegg.com)

15:26 <ergZay> i buy everything from newegg personally

15:26 <ergZay> as they are reliable and i rarely see prices cheaper, and if they are, they arent by much

15:26 <Soul_keeper> me too, i get screwed everytime i buy locally

15:26 <MTughan_> I'd buy from them, but they don't have anything in stock.

15:27 <ergZay> because they sell everything so cheap :P

15:27 <MTughan_> With Canada Computers though, I can save on shipping.

15:27 <MTughan_> Because there's a store not too far from here.

15:27 <ergZay> i havent bought anything from newegg thats been DoA either

15:27 <ergZay> so thats nice

15:28 <ergZay> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344 biggest hard drive on there

15:28 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ctaz7o> (at www.newegg.com)

15:28 <MTughan_> 2TB WD Green?

15:29 <MTughan_> Yep.

15:29 <ergZay> odd they dont tell the RPM though

15:29 <ergZay> usually do

15:29 <MTughan_> It's variable.

15:29 <MTughan_> It's usually between 5400 and 7200rpm, but most people peg it closer to 5400rpm.

15:30 <MTughan_> Does it to save power. Hence the "Green" moniker.

15:31 <ergZay> when i trade performance for greeness is when the world freezes over

15:31 <MTughan_> Yeah, I'll stick with their Black series of drives, which are performance oriented.

15:32 <ergZay> when in reality anything any western country does is not going to make an inch of difference for so called global warming

15:32 <MTughan_> Blue is halfway in between.

15:32 <ergZay> so no need to try to be green

15:32 <MTughan_> I think in this case, green doesn't refer to the environment, but money. Money for the manu and money for the consumer in saved power.

15:33 <MTughan_> Considering all the SUVs westerners drive around, saving computer power doesn't mean jack sh*t.

15:33 <ergZay> yep

15:33 <ergZay> btw does the place you buy from sell mostly OEM or retail?

15:34 <MTughan_> Depends on the product. Most of the OSes I've seen have been OEM.

15:35 <ergZay> MTughan_: btw where were those milkyway optimized apps you said there were

15:36 <MTughan_> For which OS?

15:36 <ergZay> OS X

15:36 <ergZay> intel

15:37 <ergZay> or anything

15:37 <ergZay> only system i dont have is CUDA

15:37 <MTughan_> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_thread.php?id=688&nowrap=true#14863

15:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dh42vr> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

15:40 <ergZay> MTughan_: jedirock = you?

15:40 <MTughan_> Yes.

15:40 <ergZay> ah k

15:43 <ergZay> MTughan_: does it auto detect SSE types available?

15:43 <MTughan_> No. The SSE types are hardcoded.

15:43 <ergZay> hard coded for what

15:44 <ergZay> C2D?

15:45 <MTughan_> Altivec on PPC, SSE(1-3) on i686, SSE(1-3) and SSSE3 on x86_64.

15:47 <ergZay> what do you mean by 1-3 so it auto detects then

15:48 <MTughan_> No, it doesn't autodetect. The application has binaries for all three architectures in there. When it's run, OS X chooses the best one for your system, which is usually your native arch.

15:49 <ergZay> what about SSE4.1?

15:49 <MTughan_> Not supported by the current version of GCC.

15:50 <jasong> What's the Linux command structure to make commandline output both go to a file and output on the screen?

15:52 <jasong> nm, I'll just use tail

15:52 <jasong> lol, can you tell I'm a noobie programmer?

15:54 <ergZay> tee it

15:54 <ergZay> jasong: man tee

15:54 <ergZay> really easy to use

15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> use tee jasong

15:56 <ergZay> example: echo "hi" | tee file

15:56 <ergZay> will print hi to screen and put it in a file named "file"

15:57 <MTughan_> bbl

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16:04 <xcamel> re-hi

16:04 <Soul_keeper> jasong,    ./test.sh > World.log >&2

16:04 <Soul_keeper> and MTughan sse 4.1 is supported in the latest gcc

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16:06 <Soul_keeper> infact  4.2 and 5 are also supported

16:06 <ergZay> MTughan: when you get back, what are the gcc flags to use SSE instructions

16:07 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yes, but the latest version from Apple is 4.0.1. There is a 4.2 build included, but I haven't tried building with it.

16:07 <MTughan> ergZay: -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse

16:07 <MTughan> What I use for i686.

16:08 <Soul_keeper> yeah the 4.2.x tree won't support it

16:08 <ergZay> k thx

16:08 <ergZay> i wana try building the leiden source optimized

16:08 <Soul_keeper> 4.3.x  is the cutting edge

16:08 <MTughan> K.

16:08 <ergZay> anyone wana help me on this one though?

16:08 <ergZay> ld: cycle in dylib re-exports with /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.dylib

16:08 <ergZay> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

16:08 <ergZay> havent seen one like that before

16:08 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yep, but remember that OS X uses the Mach-O binary format, not ELF or whatever Windows uses.

16:09 <MTughan> ergZay: What are you using to link against libGL?

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16:09 <Soul_keeper> yeah windows is gay ...

16:09 <ergZay> g++ -O3 -ffloat-store -bind_at_load -framework System -framework Carbon -framework Cocoa -framework GLUT -o ../BOINC_ClassicalDynamics_MacIntel.x *.o -L../crlibm_libs/apple/intel -lcrlibm -L../boinc_libs/apple/intel -lboinc_graphics_api -lboinc_api -lboinc  -L/sw/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lXi -lSM -lICE -lX11

16:09 <ergZay> thats the line

16:09 <MTughan> I've also got a request from the NQueens guy to build their OS X application.

16:10 <MTughan> g++ -O3 -ffloat-store -bind_at_load -framework System -framework Carbon -framework Cocoa -framework GLUT -o ../BOINC_ClassicalDynamics_MacIntel.x *.o -L../crlibm_libs/apple/intel -lcrlibm -L../boinc_libs/apple/intel -lboinc_graphics_api -lboinc_api -lboinc  -L/sw/lib -framework OpenGL

16:10 <MTughan> Try that.

16:10 <ergZay> works

16:10 <ergZay> whats with all those libs

16:11 <ergZay> and are we getting everything by excluding those

16:11 <MTughan> System, Carbon, Cocoa, GLUT, and OpenGL?

16:12 <ergZay> no i mean

16:12 <ergZay> -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lXi -lSM -lICE -lX11

16:12 <ergZay> unneeded?

16:12 <MTughan> I'll play around with those tonight, see what's going on. I'll also replace those precompiled versions of boinc_graphics_api, boinc_api, and boinc with my own compiled versions.

16:12 <MTughan> No, they're all contained within the OpenGL framework. :P

16:12 <ergZay> ahhh

16:12 <ergZay> ive compiled tons of software but never worked to get something to compile before lol

16:12 <ergZay> so this is new for me

16:12 <MTughan> So it's cleaner and more portable just to use the framework.

16:13 <ergZay> whats the comment character for makefiles?

16:13 <MTughan> #

16:13 <ergZay> to comment out a line

16:13 <ergZay> k

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16:16 <MTughan> Leiden will be next.

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16:19 <ergZay> k nice

16:23 <MTughan> lol... "LrdKittoa: calling taco bell mexican food is like calling micheal jackson black.  It's sort of true, but... no, not really."

16:28 <ergZay> oh well thats fun, i compiled the leiden app with the sse opts but if i turn on -mssse3 and -m64 it errors saying the libraries arent built in 64bit

16:29 <ergZay> which i can see why you have to rebuild them

16:29 <MTughan> Yeah, I have my own customized copies.

16:29 <MTughan> No telling if they're builds are compatible with 10.3.9 either.

16:29 <MTughan> their*

16:29 <ergZay> na im trying for my C2D at the moment

16:30 <ergZay> ill leave the 10.3.9 to you

16:30 <MTughan> BTW, try "-arch i386" and "-arch x86_64" instead of -m32 or -m64.

16:30 <ergZay> out of curiosity have you checked what alex does for his intel mac apps?

16:30 <ergZay> for seti@home

16:30 <MTughan> Alex?

16:30 <MTughan> I've never compiled any S@H apps.

16:32 <ergZay> http://www.arkayn.us/seti/

16:32 <Romulus> Title: Multibeam and Astropulse Combined Packages (at www.arkayn.us)

16:32 <ergZay> "Many thanks to Alex Kan for the OSX optimized Multi Beam apps."

16:33 <MTughan> No, I don't know what he uses.

16:33 <ergZay> ive heard that they run much faster than the PC apps

16:33 <MTughan> He may have done some code tweaks. I usually don't tweak the code.

16:37 <ergZay> is there somewhere the app_info.xml syntax is listed

16:37 <ergZay> i havent found any on the wiki and i kind of guess may way through how to write or modify them

16:39 <MTughan> Check the app_info from my application at MW. You can just modify that.

16:40 <ergZay> or better yet somehow extract what the "default" app_info.xml is for the project

16:40 <ergZay> after which i can just modify it

16:41 <MTughan> That info would be in client_state.xml.

16:41 <ergZay> that had several lines that i didnt recognize that wrent in seti@home app_info.xml

16:41 <ergZay> yours did i mean

16:41 <ergZay> ah thx

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17:41 <xcamel> re-back

17:41 <MTughan> 'lo jay

17:42 <MTughan> brb

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17:43 <MTughan> Hmm, not quite what I wanted...

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17:45 <MTughan> That's better.

17:45 <xcamel> keep booting yourself..

17:45 <MTughan> :P

17:45 * MTughan points to his hostmask

17:45 <MTughan> IPv6 access.

17:49 <xcamel> uh-huh.

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17:53 <ergZay> MTughan: lol well this is interesting i think i did something wrong, i tried my self-compiled leiden apps

17:53 <ergZay> they run about 10x slower

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17:53 <ergZay> if that

17:54 <ergZay> oh wait nvm

17:54 <ergZay> seems to be wroking

17:54 <ergZay> long lag time there for some reason

17:54 <MTughan> ;)

17:54 <MTughan> Happens from time to time.

17:54 <MTughan> Gonna start testing the NQueens app within an hour.

17:54 <ergZay> i havent checked though, how do i know these are working accurately

17:54 <ergZay> i dont wana turn in bad data

17:55 <MTughan> Only way is to either find a test WU to check against, or check if the server validates the WU.

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18:02 <ergZay> MTughan: want me to test it on my 10.3.9 machines?

18:02 <ergZay> seeing as you dont have one

18:02 <ergZay> dont have a ppc machine either

18:02 <ergZay> you said

18:02 <MTughan> Sure, if you'd like too.

18:02 <ergZay> im not doing anything until 7 PM eastern time so sure

18:03 <ergZay> and not doing much then

18:03 <ergZay> either upload em somewhere or dcc em

18:03 <MTughan> I just want to let it run through one WU on my machine to make sure it'll actually work, and then I can give you a copy with an appropriate app_info.

18:03 <ergZay> k

18:04 <ergZay> ill run it on my dual processor G5 machine and my old G4 laptop

18:04 <ergZay> and this C2D if you want as well

18:04 <MTughan> Sure, I can give you both if you'd like.

18:05 <ergZay> how long you think its going to take on the one WU?

18:06 <ergZay> just so i know when to check back on IRC

18:06 <MTughan> Not sure. I'm just finishing off a WU that I had downloaded when I attached my Mac to NQueens. I'll test afterwards.

18:06 <CoderForLife> bbl - I need to read about how to set up a BOINC project

18:06 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, buy one of those IBM power5 things

18:07 <Soul_keeper> hmmm they are up to power7 it seems ...

18:07 <Soul_keeper> Currently in development at IBM, POWER7 will be the first of the Peta-Series. It's projected for release around 2010 and has been selected by DARPA as a potential processor to be used in their Peta-FLOPS SuperComputer.

18:08 <xcamel> http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/boinc-current.png

18:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6ymwsn> (at lledgerock.com)

18:09 <ergZay> IBM is still competitive with intel processors?

18:09 <Soul_keeper> xcamel, that chart is saying you only got 3 friends :(

18:09 <xcamel> or 2 enemies..

18:10 <Soul_keeper> ergZay, not really, unless you're a multi-million dollar paycheck and they custom build you one

18:10 <ergZay> RISC is still better than CISC though

18:10 <Soul_keeper> IBM can beat anything if you pay them enough

18:11 <ergZay> MTughan: so around when should i be expecting yo to send it to me? tonight? in an hour? tomorrow?

18:12 <ergZay> rough estimate is fine

18:12 <MTughan> No idea. Depends on how long my application will take, and I can't begin to estimate that for another 30 minutes.

18:13 <MTughan> It's 6:12 EST now, I'm getting dinner around 7PM.

18:13 <Soul_keeper> POWER6 / 4.2 GHz

18:13 <Soul_keeper> 4-core

18:13 <Soul_keeper> 4 MB per processor core

18:13 <Soul_keeper> $16,994.00 IBM Web price*

18:13 <Soul_keeper> a 3GHz C2Q should beat that in most things

18:14 <MTughan> Mine was ~$250CDN, clocked at 3.26GHz now.

18:14 <Soul_keeper> prices have come down a lot over the past year or two tho ...

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18:15 <zombie67> MT?  What was that dns flush command again?

18:15 <MTughan> Windows?

18:15 <Romulus> It has been said that Windows is not nearly as SHA1 computational friendly as Linux, MTughan

18:15 <MTughan> lol, true...

18:15 <zombie67> found it

18:15 <mweltin> hi zombie67

18:15 <MTughan> BTW, I'm helping to compile an NQueens OS X application as we speak.

18:16 <zombie67> hi mweltin!

18:16 <zombie67> MT:  cool.  it took hime a couple weeks to read and respond to the PM

18:16 <mweltin> nice to "see" you

18:16 <zombie67> yeah, are you still in the south paific?

18:16 <zombie67> pacific

18:16 <mweltin> sadly no

18:17 <mweltin> back in Portland

18:17 <zombie67> I was in portland a couple weeks ago

18:17 <mweltin> and w-o-r-k-i-n-g full time

18:17 <zombie67> well, hillsboro

18:17 <mweltin> close enough

18:17 <mweltin> intel?

18:17 <Romulus> Somebody said intel is taking 3Tflops per chip, mweltin

18:17 <zombie67> Sun Micro

18:18 <wdsmia_> re-hi

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18:18 <mweltin> did you get out at all ?  In to the sun and fun that is Portland?

18:19 <ergZay> when i run two WUs concurrently on a dual core is there a hit in CPU time based on them sharing a cache?

18:19 <ergZay> of a detectable nature

18:19 <zombie67> no, all work.  Was there for only 1.5 days

18:20 <mweltin> sun doesn't mess around.

18:20 <mweltin> anything to the rumor IBM is buying sun?

18:28 <MTughan> Well, I'm going to hit dinner now... bbl

18:33 <ELGono> yummy just had late night dinner

18:33 <ELGono> ;)

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18:56 <zombie67> no, no real news about that rumor.

18:56 <zombie67> us grunts are always the last to know.

19:01 <ergZay> MTughan: k it looks like they took about a 100 seconds longer on my self compiled versions as compared to theirs

19:02 <mweltin> the economy must be getting better as I got a email from a head hunter today.

19:02 <mweltin> I thought they were all out of a job by now.

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19:17 <ergZay> i wish

19:17 <ergZay> ive been out of a job for a while

19:17 <Soul_keeper> the mexican drug cartels are hiring

19:18 <ergZay> lol

19:22 <xcamel> poor job security..

19:23 <ELGono> GM is looking for a new CEO

19:23 <xcamel> they have one... O'Bummer.

19:24 <ELGono> Kent Kresa wasn't the worse choice

19:24 <ELGono> real "man in black"

19:27 <Soul_keeper> GM isn't looking for anything

19:27 <Soul_keeper> the obama admin will give the board of directors an acceptable list of puppets to choose from

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19:29 <ELGono> today german rail chief went

19:29 <ELGono> finally

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21:44 <Soul_keeper> xcamel, was it talking ?

21:45 <Soul_keeper> I guess i'm not important enough here to ask politely to remove my bot

21:46 <xcamel> &wx 12074

21:46 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 34.2F / 1.2C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy and blustery. Lows in the lower 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 45 mph...diminishing to around 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Not as cool with highs (1 more message)

21:46 <xcamel> &more

21:46 <Romulus> xcamel: in the mid 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming north in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 30s. East winds around 5 mph.;

21:48 <xcamel> Frankly, I did not remember who owned it, and it wasn't serving any purpose.

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21:52 <Soul_keeper> it does financial stuff ...

21:53 <Soul_keeper> basically it's too good for this channel now

21:54 <xcamel> one bot policy unless romy goes awol.

21:54 <Soul_keeper> no, you missed your chance now :)

21:57 <Soul_keeper> yup, life isn't always fair

22:00 <Soul_keeper> some people don't understand the concept of triggers

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22:07 <Soul_keeper> whatever, the feeling is mutual

22:11 <MTughan> xcamel: Can you turn off URL fetching in #boinc_dev?

22:11 <MTughan> It's usually a hindrance more than a help.

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22:16 <Soul_keeper> amd apparently released the R700 instruction set :)

22:17 <MTughan> bbl

22:18 <MTughan> xcamel: "&config plugins.web.titleSnarfer.#boinc_dev False" will turn it off.

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22:30 <Soul_keeper> good work

23:01 <ergZay> MTughan: hows the NQueens testing going

23:05 <ergZay> wow

23:05 <ergZay> i just got out of memory warnings

23:05 <ergZay> 4GB of memory

23:05 <ergZay> computer paused some apps

23:05 <ergZay> never seen that happen

23:09 <Soul_keeper> check your project settings

23:10 <Soul_keeper> shouldn't do that if you allow it to use 100% of memory and 100% of swap

23:23 <Soul_keeper> "And Dude you must be on Crack Cocaine or Meth if you believe Linux is running more webservers and mailservers, MS has about 92% of this market."            where do these people come from ?

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23:31 <ergZay> Soul_keeper: wasnt boinc

23:31 <ergZay> was my general apps

23:32 <ergZay> World of warcraft, safari with 20 tabs open and x-chat

23:32 <ergZay> with too much text loaded

23:32 <Soul_keeper> then that would depend on the app itself ...

23:32 <Soul_keeper> ahhh windows, that explains it

23:32 <ergZay> mac os x

23:32 <ergZay> never seen it before

23:32 <ergZay> world of warcraft only uses 1.2GB of ram

23:32 <ergZay> at max

23:32 <ergZay> something was leaking dunno what

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