IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-04-01

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00:12 <ergZay> MTughan: hey

00:12 <ergZay> MTughan: if you're up im ready to get those ppc apps

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00:32 <MTughan> ergZay: Cool.

00:42 <MTughan> WTF?

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00:55 <Soul_keeper> good work

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02:16 <ergZay> lol

02:16 <ergZay> wth is that

02:17 <ergZay> PovAddict: has lots of connections

02:25 <ergZay> MTughan: did ou put those ppc apps up anywhere?

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04:05 <desti> what projects are still running on 586?

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04:37 <ELGono> looks like someone made a joke with server stats graphs

04:37 <ELGono>

04:37 <Romulus> <> (at

04:39 <ELGono> desti: seti should

04:40 <ELGono> running seti on a 150 MHz 64bit R5k cpu ... takes about a week per unit (42min on GT8600 / 1h on core2 2.4Ghz)

04:42 <ELGono> looks like seti ran out of work atm :/

04:46 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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04:46 <CoderForLife> &more

04:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph.;

04:46 <ELGono> moo don

04:46 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

04:46 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 10:20 AM CEST; Clear. High:55 F.; Clear. Low:37 F.; Clear. High:59 F.; Clear. Low:39 F.; Clear. High:64 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:42 F.;

04:46 <CoderForLife> moo ELGono

04:47 <ELGono> they say we'll have 20C at weekend

04:47 <ELGono> ahhhh and be aware of april 1st ;)

04:47 <CoderForLife> that's quite a warm-up

04:56 <efc> moo cfl

04:57 <efc> &wx 31088

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04:57 <efc> &more

04:57 <Romulus> efc: isolated thunderstorms in the evening...then showers likely with isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Thursday - Showers likely with isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Highs around 70. East winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.;

05:02 <CoderForLife> moo efc

05:02 <CoderForLife> brb  brrreakfast

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06:33 <PovAddict> moo

06:39 <hawmps> 'lo

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06:40 <PovAddict> silly o'clock meds :/

06:45 * KathrynM gave the cat a bath

06:45 * KathrynM is soaked

06:45 * KathrynM is gouged

06:51 <PovAddict> lol

06:53 <PovAddict> cats dont really like water, do they?

06:53 <PovAddict> (DUH)

06:54 <KathrynM> well, mine doesn't like to be forced into the water.

06:54 <KathrynM> she does like playing in the toilet

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08:45 <hawmps> hmmm..

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09:16 <axxum> hi all

09:20 <ELGono> ahoi

09:36 <hawmps> 'lo

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09:45 <ELGono> hmm still waiting for seti work

10:06 <hawmps> still none here.

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10:18 <axxum> anybody there?

10:19 <KathrynM> I'm heading to bed shortly.

10:19 <axxum> do somebody know why the weather applet from clock applet no more working in  gnome opensuse?

10:19 <axxum> untill 3 days was fine

10:21 <KathrynM> sorry, don't use Gnome or OpenSuse.  Fedora with KDE here.

10:22 <axxum> thanks

10:50 <MTughan> ergZay_: Did you download the x86_64 and i686 applications?

10:50 <MTughan> All three are in the same zip file.

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11:14 <mweltin> hi

11:14 <ELGono> lo

11:15 <mweltin> ELGono: did ergZay get  in touch with you ?

11:15 <mweltin> he was looking for some advice on building a speaker.  I suggested you, I that was ok.

11:15 <mweltin> I didn't think to ask you first, sorry.

11:16 <ELGono> hehe no problem

11:16 <mweltin> is it 8pm where you are?

11:16 <mweltin> or just 4pm

11:17 <MTughan> Conficker reports start coming in:

11:17 <ELGono> build several speakers, including subwoofers...

11:17 <Romulus> <> (at

11:17 <ELGono> 5pm

11:17 <mweltin> MTughan!

11:17 <ELGono> summertime

11:17 <MTughan> Been here all the time mw. ;)

11:17 <mweltin> I wanted to ask you and Pov something.

11:18 <MTughan> lol... Big Ben stopped at 11:59 last night.

11:18 <mweltin> so you know I'm not running a project right now, but I was wondering if you guys felt a boinc specific lib would be a good idea.   What I had in mind was ..........

11:18 <ELGono> lol

11:18 <mweltin> wait big ben runs windows?

11:19 <MTughan> Apparently not, because if it was infected, it would've stopped at 12:01.

11:19 <mweltin> good point

11:19 <ELGono> well maybe clock was wrong ;)

11:19 <MTughan> lol... And of course, look at the bottom of the article...

11:19 <mweltin> or it has a 1 min lag between the clock and the computer running it.

11:19 <MTughan> "In case you haven't guessed it, APRIL FOOLS!!!"

11:19 <mweltin> gotta run

11:19 <mweltin> bbl

11:20 <MTughan> All right, so those are only possible scenarios.

11:21 <ELGono> i think the date was choosen well for conficker update

11:21 <ELGono> hard to trust any news on that date

11:21 <MTughan> Ouch... Not an April Fools joke: Nvidia could threaten Intel's Larrabee with cross-licensing agreements.

11:22 <MTughan>

11:22 <Romulus> <> (at

11:25 <MTughan> I read a couple days ago too that Conficker won't actually do much on April 1st, it's all just hype.

11:26 <MTughan> Apparently, it downloads more stuff, we just don't know what that stuff is yet.

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11:30 <mweltin1> how do I kick "mweltin" off?

11:31 <MTughan> Is mweltin registered?

11:31 <MTughan> Oh yeah, it is... I wrote a script for it. :P

11:31 <desti> he will die when his time is over

11:31 <mweltin1> yes

11:31 <MTughan> /msg NickServ ghost mweltin <password>

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11:32 <mweltin> thanks

11:32 <MTughan> np

11:32 <mweltin> can't believe I remembered my passwd

11:32 <MTughan> lol

11:32 <mweltin> the only reason I'm registered is because of that script you wrote for me oh so long ago.

11:33 <mweltin> ok so back to my idea

11:33 <mweltin> I'll make it quick as I have a 9am meeting.

11:33 <MTughan> Haha! I think someone found the Google prank for today:

11:33 <Romulus> <> (at

11:33 <MTughan> Okay, shoot.

11:34 <mweltin> how useful do you think it would be for a "canned" search algorithm project.  You know the way boinc source comes with the uppercase example to get you started.

11:34 <MTughan> What do you mean, canned?

11:35 <mweltin> well I was thinking about a bunch of libs to create a search algorithm and them wrap them up  into a boinc project.

11:36 <mweltin> the basic idea is if a researcher has a search they want to perform

11:36 <MTughan> They can submit work to your project to have it done?

11:37 <mweltin> well thats another route.

11:37 <mweltin> I was thinking more of an abstraction layer, where they would run the project, but 90% of the code would be done.

11:37 <mweltin> like the upper case example.

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11:38 <mweltin> you download it compile it and run it.

11:38 <MTughan> I think you'd have to ask Pov more. I don't know.

11:39 <mweltin> ok

11:39 <MTughan> Odd, don't know where he went... Last I saw him quit, it looked like a second netsplit.

11:42 <mweltin> I gotta go to a meeting.   I'll try to come up with a better explanation of my idea by then.

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11:42 <MTughan> Bye.

11:43 <mw_away> bye

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12:13 <MTughan> WTF? Apparently, after IE8, Firefox, and Safari all fell in the Pwn2Own contest, banks have seen large increases in the amount of customers using Lynx to bank...

12:14 <MTughan> Okay, maybe not... I've got to stop reading out these stories.

12:14 <MTughan> It doesn'

12:14 <MTughan> It doesn't say it's an April Fools joke, but I wouldn't be surprised.

12:16 <MTughan> Yeah, it's a joke... "...some customers still report difficulties when trying to make HTTPS requests through Telnet without the aid of an extended keyboard layout."

12:16 <FreeLarry58> humm neither would i - found out the i7 linux machine corrupts a lot of wu's if it cant send within reasonable amount of time

12:17 <FreeLarry58> had the modem in standby

12:17 <FreeLarry58> but didn't see any strange activity on any machine so will leave on

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12:34 <FreeLarry58> alright now that's enough of the soap flake shaking over house here - its supposed to be warming

12:34 <FreeLarry58> &wx98366

12:34 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Are you daft?

12:34 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

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12:34 <FreeLarry58> &more

12:34 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: 40. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Occasional showers. Highs near 50. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph south part and variable to 10 mph north part.;

12:37 <FreeLarry58> &social

12:37 <Romulus>

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12:38 <MTughan> You should've seen it last night...

12:38 <MTughan>

12:39 <FreeLarry58> a real oddity there ;)

12:39 <MTughan> Indeed.

12:56 <hawmps> "a" seems to be gone

12:58 <MTughan> Indeed.

13:01 <MTughan> I'm gonna hit lunch... bbl

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13:16 <FreeLarry58> humm guess the server software for boinc not going well at pirates db down

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13:38 <PovAddict> gmail seems megaslow

13:44 <PovAddict> &math convert 3000 seconds to minutes

13:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: 50

13:44 <PovAddict> &math convert 6313 seconds to hours

13:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1.75361111111

13:44 <PovAddict> &google calc 6313 seconds - 1 hour

13:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

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13:58 <PovAddict> &math convert 2104 seconds to minutes

13:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: 35.0666666667

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14:17 <mweltin> PovAddict: you there?

14:17 <PovAddict> yes, sort of

14:18 <mweltin> I had an idea on the bus to day and wanted to run it by you and see what you thought.

14:18 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:18 <mweltin> One obstacle for the adoption of boinc (as I see it) is the ramp up time.   I think the docs say it takes a 6months to a year to get a project off the ground.

14:19 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CEST; Clear. High:59 F.; Clear. Low:41 F.; Clear. High:59 F.; Clear. Low:37 F.; Clear. High:68 F.; Clear. Low:44 F.;

14:19 <mweltin> My idea is to make something similar to the uppercase project that comes with the boinc source.

14:19 <yoyo[RKN]> mweltin : I do not think so

14:20 <mweltin> the basic idea is to have a project in a "jar".

14:20 <PovAddict> mweltin: BOINC already has a way to run a single command and get a fully-working project running uppercase, all daemons set up, application version added, workunits being generated

14:20 <mweltin> yoyo you don't think what?   The ramp up time estimate is correct?

14:20 <PovAddict> and it makes things *harder* for new admins!

14:20 <yoyo[RKN]> no

14:20 <PovAddict> they get that fully working project and have no idea how it works or how to modify it for their own needs

14:21 <yoyo[RKN]> some weeks in my spare time to get a boinc server with uppercase running

14:21 <PovAddict> if, instead, there was a tutorial on how to get a project to the point where it's processing uppercase, then the admin will use that as learning process, and will then already know how to do it again with his own app

14:21 <mweltin> yes and for all intensive purposes it's kind of worthless.

14:21 <yoyo[RKN]> and some additional weeks and PovAddict's help to get the first legacy app running

14:22 <mweltin> well my thought was to target search algorithms.

14:22 <yoyo[RKN]> I used uppercase to learn the server stuff, wu templates, results, daemons, wu parameter and so on

14:22 <PovAddict> how do people learn to program?

14:22 <mweltin> as sort of an abstraction layer.

14:22 <mweltin> that is waht I would try to abstract away.

14:23 <mweltin> wu generators, validators, msyql tables

14:23 <mweltin> they shouldn't have to worry about that.

14:23 <PovAddict> admins should never need to touch a mysql table by hand

14:24 <yoyo[RKN]> oh, really ?

14:24 <yoyo[RKN]> just changed the priority some minutes ago there

14:24 <mweltin> true, although sometimes you need to add tables.

14:24 <PovAddict> making them have to setup the DB server isn't unreasonable though... after all, it *is* the performance bottleneck, there is no way around that, admins have to babysit the DB to make the project run fast...

14:24 <mweltin> take a genetic algorithm for example.

14:25 <mweltin> if a researcher wanted to use one, it would be nice to have a ga lib.

14:25 <mweltin> I'm proposing to extend a ga lib to include a bunch of boinc specific stuff.

14:25 <PovAddict> mweltin: do it and *sell* it...

14:26 <mweltin> no

14:26 <mweltin> just contribute it.

14:26 <mweltin> payback for the help I get here.

14:26 <PovAddict> that works too :)

14:26 <PovAddict> if you take boinc as a base platform, higher-level things are "sellable"...

14:26 <PovAddict> think IBM's Eclipse

14:26 <PovAddict> it's free

14:26 <PovAddict> it's a platform, and an IDE running on it

14:26 <mweltin> I got uppercase working in no time.

14:27 <PovAddict> then, there is IBM Rational Software Architect, a much more complex IDE, also running on the Eclipse platform

14:27 <DerMeister> One big problem of BOINC server is that it's strongly coupled with mysql. You can't any other (probably superior) dmbs.

14:27 <DerMeister> *dbms

14:27 <mweltin> but the tsp project took a long time to get running

14:27 <mweltin> and it was never what I really wanted.

14:27 <PovAddict> and Software Architect costs a few thousand dollars :D

14:28 <PovAddict> DerMeister: have you ever seen the BOINC DB schema?

14:28 <DerMeister> PovAddict: Yes and I had even a BOINC server running on postgres instead of mysql

14:28 <DerMeister> Was quit painful, though...

14:28 <PovAddict> normalization proponents would kill themselves

14:28 <mweltin> so I'm thinking somehow package a "search algorithm" with all the hooks into boinc, so a PI can get up and running and the only thing they really need to think about is the representation of their problem, and not all the boinc coding.

14:29 <PovAddict> DerMeister: wow, do you still have the code around? :)

14:29 <mweltin> they would still need a server admin to some degree, but the time to a working project should be drastically reduced.

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14:35 <Soul_keeper>

14:35 <Romulus> <> (at

14:35 <PovAddict> hmm should I take "I got it running on postgres" as an april fools joke? :P

14:36 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: that card kicked the other card's ass

14:36 <PovAddict> HARD

14:36 <Soul_keeper> lol

14:38 <Soul_keeper> that's the card I wanna buy, hopefully come monday ...

14:40 <Soul_keeper>

14:40 <Romulus> Title: NRA Gun Safety Rules (at

14:42 <Soul_keeper>

14:42 <Romulus> <> (at

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14:46 <Soul_keeper>   that's the gun I used to have :)

14:46 <Romulus> <> (at

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15:18 <PovAddict> plink, stupid web crawler

15:20 <DerMeister> <PovAddict> DerMeister: wow, do you still have the code around? :) <= I'm not sure. It may still be on the old Linux machine I used for this. However, I didn't use this machine for almost one year. That means the server code is quite outdated and it was just a hack anyway. Not really useful

15:32 <Soul_keeper> so yeah 1/4th million dollar reward from MS if you "stop conficker in it's tracks"

15:33 <MTughan_> "Warner Bros. acquire The Pirate Bay" xD

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15:53 <Soul_keeper> them bastards, they pushed the 4770 back to may

15:53 <Soul_keeper> was march, then april, now may ...

15:53 <Soul_keeper> guess i'll buy an nvidia card

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15:57 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Really, the 4770 has been pushed back to May?

15:58 <Soul_keeper> that's what rumours are saying, but of course everything has been a rumour

15:59 <Soul_keeper> they had reviews testing the prototype in febuary

15:59 <Soul_keeper> the consensus then was a march release

15:59 <MTughan> Could be having problems with 40nm production.

16:00 <Soul_keeper> I don't believe that, but I guess it's a good excuse

16:00 <MTughan> When is the 4970 supposed to launch? I think that's a 40nm card too.

16:00 <PovAddict> ./configure --disable-libraries doesn't give any error about that being a problem

16:00 <PovAddict> but then the client doesn't link because it has no libboinc

16:00 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, probably summer

16:01 <Soul_keeper> the 4770 is supposed to be the first to "test the waters on 40nm"

16:01 <MTughan> What's Nvidia working on for 40nm?

16:01 <Soul_keeper> which prolly means a month or two to get the yeilds stable

16:02 <Soul_keeper> nvidia is like a year or more behind

16:02 <MTughan> Same thing that happened with 55nm?

16:02 <Soul_keeper> so I would guess early next year .... possibly for xmas but dunno

16:02 <Soul_keeper> yeah

16:03 <MTughan> Yeah, because the 38xx series of cards were 55nm, while Nvidia was still using 65nm. The original GT200 cards are 65nm, right?

16:03 <Soul_keeper> yeah

16:04 <Soul_keeper> my 3870 is 55nm and I bought it over a year ago

16:04 <Soul_keeper> came out november 2007 from amd

16:04 <MTughan> Yeah, the first 55nm part from Nvidia was the 9800GTX+.

16:05 <Soul_keeper> "HD 4890 Launch Date To 2nd April"   but that's just an overclocked 4870 on 55nm

16:06 <Soul_keeper> "GeForce GTX 275 on Apr 9th"  55nm also, but not fully confirmed

16:06 <Soul_keeper> so we get nothing new till fall it would seem

16:08 <Soul_keeper> maybe i'll just drive down to best buy and pickup a gts250 or something fun

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16:09 <Soul_keeper>

16:09 <Romulus> <> (at

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16:11 <xcamel> 'lo

16:14 <Soul_keeper> figures they'd want to release the 260 dollar card a good month before the 99 dollar card

16:14 <Soul_keeper> gotta milk the market

16:19 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, this is the link I had my hopes up for, the day after my bday

16:19 <Romulus> <> (at

16:20 <MTughan>

16:20 <Romulus> <> (at

16:20 <MTughan> That was posted a week ago.

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16:21 <MTughan> 'lo BB

16:22 <Soul_keeper> well I was reading a forum post where someone got their hands on a production sample 4890    the bios is dated in the future:  apr 2nd 2009

16:22 <Soul_keeper> so that release makes sense

16:25 <Soul_keeper> I don't want that power hungry card tho

16:25 <MTughan> You could underclock it.

16:25 <Soul_keeper> maybe

16:26 <PovAddict> apparently clock and power usage isn't linear

16:26 <Soul_keeper> but I wouldn't have opencl for another few months anyways

16:26 <Soul_keeper> and by that time 40nm would be out

16:26 <PovAddict> you could double power usage by increasing the clock a little bit...

16:26 <Soul_keeper> yeah lotsa factors

16:26 <PovAddict> and similar in the other direction, you can get half power usage without having to go to half clock

16:26 <MTughan> My 4870 can be clocked down to 500/450 Core/Mem. Stock is 750/900.

16:27 <MTughan> At least, through ATI's tools. Other stuff can maybe go lower.

16:31 <Soul_keeper> maybe the best plan is a gts 250  now, then wait for highend 40nm ati parts

16:32 <Soul_keeper> bbl

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16:39 <xcamel> nasty chilly day.

16:41 <Soul_keeper>

16:41 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Neil Cavuto and Congressman Grayson (at

16:41 <Soul_keeper> Big Brother gonna tell us all how much we get payed now

16:41 <Soul_keeper> using the "punish bad people" as a guise

16:42 <xcamel> fabian socialism on the march

16:44 <Soul_keeper> yup

16:50 <Soul_keeper> congressmen like that should be shot in the face with a winchester 1300 defender

16:51 <Soul_keeper>

16:51 <Romulus> <> (at

16:51 <MTughan> Ah, that reminds me...

16:51 <MTughan> There was a bit of an uproar from Lou Dobbs a couple days ago about John Kerry's proposed reinstatement of a ban on semi-auto rifles.

16:52 <MTughan> My question is, who needs a semi-auto rifle? Not for hunting, not for discreet protection.

16:52 <Soul_keeper> I need one.

16:52 <MTughan> For what?

16:52 <Soul_keeper> I need it to shoot John Kerry in the Face when his liberal ass comes wandering into my house telling me what I can and cannot do.

16:52 <CoderForLife> hello - home again

16:52 <PovAddict> for a certain definition of "need"

16:53 <xcamel> wb

16:53 <CoderForLife> ty

16:53 <xcamel> Oh, and the newest government union is born...

16:54 <xcamel> "National Association of Household Managers"

16:55 <xcamel> you will now have to clear everything that happens at home with a union boss.

16:55 <Soul_keeper> they've gone too far long ago.  We all need guns now.

16:57 <xcamel> ya think?

16:58 <Soul_keeper> I've got eyes

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17:00 <xcamel> I really think the backlash of all this is going to be very, very painful to the current administration.

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17:12 <noren_> !help

17:12 <xcamel> no help for you.

17:13 <MTughan> lol

17:13 <Soul_keeper> my bot is in another channel :)

17:14 <noren_> new   in boinc i just registered with the einstien proj how much time does it take to start initially

17:14 <MTughan> You attach to Einstein, your client downloads work, and you're set.

17:14 <xcamel> New Delhi?

17:15 <xcamel> einstein has been very slow today.

17:15 <MTughan> The site seemed to load fast enough for me.

17:15 <noren_> how much does it need to download inistially, i m running a 64bit linux system

17:16 <MTughan> And as of 16 minutes ago, they had 61K+ tasks unsent.

17:16 <MTughan> noren_: Your computer will request a certain amount of work. The server will send back how many tasks it'll take to fill that much time.

17:17 <noren_> i   am running this boinc manager gui , how can i run this in background..

17:17 <MTughan> Just close the manager. It'll minimize to the system bar.

17:18 <MTughan> Double click the BOINC icon down there to reopen the manager.

17:18 <PovAddict> MTughan: BOINC Manager on Linux doesn't support the tray

17:18 <MTughan> PovAddict: No, but I'm assuming Windows.

17:18 <PovAddict> "i m running a 64bit linux system"

17:18 <MTughan> Oh, sorry...

17:19 <MTughan> I missed that.

17:19 <PovAddict> noren_: how did you install boinc?

17:19 <xcamel> it will do the same thing as windows in KDE or Gnome.

17:19 <noren_> well is therre any other way, my be running from konsole

17:20 <xcamel> just minimize it to the taskbar

17:20 <noren_> sudo apt-get install boinc-client boinc-manager

17:20 <MTughan> What distro then?

17:20 <MTughan> Ubuntu, Debian?

17:20 <PovAddict> noren_: then it's already running in the background and will auto-start on boot

17:21 <noren_> but i m very new t this, my system is up most of the time so thought of getting boinc this might help everyone

17:21 <noren_> kubuntu

17:22 <noren_> in gui transfer list there are almost 20 files of 4mb each does it need to have all of them to start

17:23 <PovAddict> noren_: I think so

17:23 <noren_> and then there is something call skygrid with 171mb thats really huge

17:24 <PovAddict> that file is probably shared between all tasks

17:24 <PovAddict> so you'll only need to download it once, not for every new task you get

17:25 <noren_> ohh ok

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17:30 <noren_> PovAddict: wats the latest version for 64bit linux ubuntu

17:31 <PovAddict> just use whatever is available on the repository...

17:32 <noren_> okk

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17:40 <xcamel> poof.

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18:41 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 59.7F / 15.4C | Humidity: 36% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 40. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southeast late this evening.; Thursday - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs around (1 more message)

18:41 <CoderForLife> &more

18:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 70. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday Night - Showers in the evening...then showers with a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Warmer with lows in the lower 50s. Southeast winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.;

18:42 <CoderForLife> they seem pretty confident

18:42 <KathrynM> &wx Ulsan

18:42 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM KST; Unknown. High:42 F.; Clear. Low:37 F.; Clear. High:59 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:42 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:62 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F.;

18:43 <PovAddict> &wx eze

18:43 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 66°F / 19°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ART; Clear. High:69 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:55 F.; Chance of Rain. High:75 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Thunderstorm. High:73 F.; Thunderstorm. Low:57 F.;

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18:47 <xcamel> weatherfest..

18:50 <CoderForLife> got to add some kind of excitement here

18:51 <KathrynM> you missed the fun here last night.

18:51 <KathrynM> had to give the cat a bath

18:55 <FreeLarry58> and snow here in am now drizzle

18:57 <CoderForLife> who missed what?

18:57 <CoderForLife> me? cat?

18:57 <FreeLarry58> probably a wet KathrynM

18:58 <CoderForLife> cats are hydrophobes

18:58 <FreeLarry58> ujnless its a toilet according to her ;)

18:58 <KathrynM> lol

18:58 <CoderForLife> so true

18:58 <KathrynM> wet and scratched up despite the long sleeves

18:59 <FreeLarry58> what no leather guanlets?

18:59 <KathrynM> I wish

18:59 <CoderForLife> kevlar would be better

18:59 <KathrynM> poor thing looked like a drown rat

18:59 <FreeLarry58> only the fine weave stuff CoderForLife

19:00 <CoderForLife> whatever it takes

19:00 * FreeLarry58 wonders if KathrynM dried the cat like some cartoons - inside a cloths dryer

19:00 <KathrynM> alas, I don't have one

19:00 <xcamel> anti-shark chain mail maybe..

19:00 <FreeLarry58> come out looking like a puffball

19:01 <FreeLarry58> ahh well clothes line and pins should work too KathrynM

19:01 <xcamel> check out the video of the wild bobcat that wandered into the bar in AZ..

19:01 <KathrynM> I towel dried her and turned on the heat so it wouldn't be too cold in the apartment.  She hid in my wardrobe and licked her pride

19:01 <FreeLarry58> lol

19:02 <FreeLarry58> like littleone used to do here - that is after tearing thru house for 5 minutes

19:02 <FreeLarry58> saw part of it on news last night xcamel

19:03 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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19:03 * FreeLarry58 that bobcat reminds me of a couple of strays in old hometown - hedgehogs beware

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19:16 <KathrynM> holy heck, I have a RAC of 30 at Pirates!

19:16 <PovAddict> wow

19:16 <KathrynM> linux work has been abundant lately

19:20 <Soul_keeper> :)

19:21 <xcamel> except for MW

19:21 <ergZay_> MTughan: i never saw a link for downloading anything

19:21 <ergZay_> MTughan: sorry for long response

19:22 <MTughan> should be it.

19:22 <Romulus> <> (at

19:23 <Soul_keeper> how come they don't say the purpose of the project on pirates@home's website ?

19:23 <ergZay_> MTughan: did you want me to benchmark them as well? as in run a WU without it and then with it?

19:24 <ergZay_> or just test it

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19:24 <MTughan> Just test it.

19:24 <ergZay> k

19:24 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: because it doesn't really have one :P

19:24 <Soul_keeper> ic

19:25 <Soul_keeper> "Pirates@Home is a test of BOINC, the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing. One goal of the project is to help develop a screensaver for Einstein@Home. At present Pirates@Home is not doing any real scientific computation. We are just having fun with BOINC. "

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19:29 <Soul_keeper> I want an  "america, love it or leave it!"  t-shirt

19:30 <MTughan> My roommate has a song called "America, F*** Yeah".

19:31 <ergZay> MTughan: btw are you going to do just one ppc app or one for G4s and one for G5s

19:31 <Soul_keeper> heh

19:31 <ergZay> as i think G5s have a few more optimization options

19:31 <MTughan> I can always look at a separate G4/G5 application, even making the G5 application 64-bit. I can't test a PPC64 application however.

19:32 <MTughan> With the PPC app, I can test it using Rosetta. Can't do that with PPC64.

19:32 <ergZay> im here if you want to

19:33 <ergZay> have a G5 and G4

19:34 <CoderForLife> b

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19:37 <ergZay> want me to test just the ppc or the intel ones as well on my C2D?

19:37 <MTughan> Test both if you want. The more test cases, the better.

19:40 <CoderForLife> off for the rest of the evening - cya folks

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19:47 <efc> moo

19:48 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:55 <ergZay> MTughan: ok its running on the ppc

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19:55 <ergZay> g4*

19:55 <MTughan_> Okay.

19:55 <ergZay> ill set it up on the G5 later

19:55 <xcamel> &wx MMLP

19:55 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 81°F / 27°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 4:49 PM MST; Clear. High:80 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F.; Clear. High:82 F.; Clear. Low:57 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:84 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 F.;

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19:56 <MTughan> All right, the switch was relatively painless.

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20:02 <MTughan> &ping

20:02 <Romulus> pong

20:04 <ergZay> MTughan: my results will appear here:

20:04 <Romulus> <> (at

20:04 <ergZay> if you can view that

20:05 <ergZay> if not then here is the G4

20:05 <ergZay>

20:05 <Romulus> <> (at

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21:22 <zombie67> will iTunes work with non-apple MP3 players?

21:23 <MTughan> Yes, and no. Yes in that it will manage music, no in that it cannot interface with any MP3 player except for iPods.

21:25 <PovAddict> the majority of players have their own also-proprietary way to add music, so it's unlikely iTunes would support them

21:26 <PovAddict> but iTunes doesn't even support "copy mp3 files into USB drive and done" players

21:26 <MTughan> I think Windows Media Player does, but yeah.

21:26 <PovAddict> Windows Media Player has plugins to support other players

21:26 <PovAddict> many commercial players come with a WMP plugin instead of their own music management application

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21:52 <Soul_keeper> I WIN !!!

21:53 <zombie67> got it.  thanks for the info

21:56 <Soul_keeper> zombie67, you are welcome

22:05 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Don't take undue credit. ;)

22:06 <Soul_keeper> Yeah i thought he was being sarcastic and thanking me for my "I WIN !!!"  statement ....

22:06 <Soul_keeper> good work

22:16 <Soul_keeper> I am the greatest person to ever live !!!

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23:30 <FreeLarry58> humm now prime not able to open db? what to do -- go sit on thumbs

23:36 <Soul_keeper>   perfect

23:36 <Romulus> <> (at

23:37 <MTughan> F***ing Americans... >_>

23:38 <Soul_keeper> :)

23:38 <Soul_keeper> you're just mad because you don't have martina

23:38 <MTughan> And no, that is not "Fitting Americans".

23:38 <MTughan> No, that you attempt to force the song that seems to think Americans are the only ones "good" enough for God's blessing.

23:39 <Soul_keeper> sorry, didn't mean to hurt your feelings

23:40 <MTughan>

23:40 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Edmonton Oilers Fans sing O Canada (at

23:40 <Soul_keeper> I don't think I could stomach watching that

23:41 <Soul_keeper> martina is much hotter than that old bald dude

23:41 <MTughan> He's not a great singer either... But wait for a bit.

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23:42 <Soul_keeper> for what ?

23:42 <Soul_keeper> the crowd singing ?

23:42 <MTughan> Yes.

23:43 <ergZay> you have something against americans?

23:43 <MTughan> And now, we'll switch up one word...

23:43 <Soul_keeper> martina wins

23:43 <MTughan>

23:43 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Oh! Gravity - Switchfoot Video (at

23:43 <ergZay> and most countries have refrences to god blessing them in their songs

23:44 <ergZay> britian did certainly

23:44 * Soul_keeper goes back to searching for country music

23:44 <ergZay> britain*

23:44 <MTughan> Yeah, Switchfoot isn't country.

23:46 <ergZay> switchfoot isnt my taste

23:46 <Soul_keeper>   this song makes me wanna go flying :)

23:46 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Jessica Simpson - I Wanna Love You Forever (at

23:47 <MTughan> Thanks, I'll go back to my daft punk now...

23:47 <ergZay> and im glad america tries to force that its the best, its not doing it enough lately

23:47 <ergZay> used to do it a lot more

23:47 <ergZay> back 40 years ago

23:47 <Soul_keeper> :)

23:47 <ergZay> its called patriotism

23:47 <ergZay> lol

23:47 <Soul_keeper> it's those international one nation types worried about what others think of us

23:47 <Soul_keeper> "one world order"

23:48 * FreeLarry58 seems to remember something like the american national anthem sung to a british drinking song

23:49 <ergZay> patriotism is being eradicated in the USA, its painful to see, even things like GI joe are getting their america flags removed and being put into the UN lol

23:49 <ergZay> sorry ill stop here

23:49 <ergZay> one of my pet peeves

23:49 <FreeLarry58> can understand as retired military member

23:51 <ergZay> USA has become all of a sudden paranoid about how people look at us

23:51 <ergZay> and getting too many people from other countries moving here then trying to turn the USA into the country they movd from

23:51 <ergZay> socialist

23:51 <FreeLarry58> not so suddenly - started over 25 yrs ago

23:51 <ergZay> 25 years is sudden enough

23:52 <ergZay> anyway

23:52 <FreeLarry58> can remember solisit and communist ideology going around when in high school days - just later generations taking them more seriously

23:52 * FreeLarry58 still cant spell or type very well

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