IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-04-10

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01:21 <efc> onlinebootycall.com? Sheesh, dispense with the subtlety..

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05:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 47.1F / 8.4C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Occasional showers early this morning...then occasional showers with a chance of thunderstorms late this morning and afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)

05:06 <CoderForLife> &more

05:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Occasional showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. North winds around 10 mph.; Freeze Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 11:00 AM EDT on April 12, 2009;

05:10 <CoderForLife> bbiab  breakfast cattle call

05:32 <CoderForLife> moo back

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08:27 <CoderForLife> way cool  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

08:27 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

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10:50 <Tank_Master> ok, this is odd... fry's is selling a computer with 5GB ram...

10:50 <Tank_Master> how did they get that number?

10:52 <Tank_Master> http://www.frys.com/product/5873833?site=frysecampaign

10:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cz2try> (at www.frys.com)

10:58 <mikechelen> 4+1?

10:58 <Tank_Master> 2x2 and 2x512?

10:59 <Tank_Master> seems a bit odd...

11:01 <mikechelen> how many slots does mobo have?

11:01 <Tank_Master> cant tell

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11:20 <mikechelen> 10x512 :D

11:20 <mikechelen> 1x5120?

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12:25 <CoderForLife> off to hardware store - bbl

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12:35 <e-30> how is everyone doing

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13:18 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: The MB that ships with that machine has 4 memory slots.

13:19 <MTughan_> No idea what the mem config is though...

13:19 <MTughan_> I'd say either 2x2GB+2x512MB, or 1x2GB+3x1GB.

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14:07 <MTughan> Well... ATI planning HD4890X2 parts, the OC'd versions of which will have 8+8 pin PCIe power connectors.

14:08 <MTughan> The non OC'd versions will have 6+8 pin.

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14:26 <MTughan> And apparently, OS X can't handle the full speeds of SSD drives because HFS+ is a journalling filesystem, unlike NTFS.

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14:40 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

14:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 57.0F / 13.9C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 29.66in / 1004.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Occasional showers late this morning...then occasional showers with a chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Occasional (1 more message)

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14:40 <CoderForLife> &more

14:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. North winds around 10 mph.; Freeze Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 11:00 AM EDT on April 12, 2009;

14:41 <CoderForLife> freeze watch with thunderstorms?

14:41 <MTughan> Doesn't look cold enough.

14:42 <CoderForLife> dang global cooling

14:44 <MTughan> No, it's warming. A big ice shelf recently detached from Antartica.

14:44 <MTughan> Recently being within a week ago.

14:44 <CoderForLife> thunderstorms can't get going before they freeze up

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14:47 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 70.3F / 21.3C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly sunny with a chance of showers with isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Isolated thunderstorms. Showers likely in the (1 more message)

14:48 <jackygrahamez> &more

14:48 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: evening... then showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northwest after midnight. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Saturday - Cloudy with a chance of showers in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs around 60. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

14:52 <jasong> Have you guys heard?  The Conficker virus has begun referring to itself as Cameron Connor

14:53 <MTughan> I didn't hear that, but I did read that it's now communicating with a P2P network from two other worms, both of which were associated with keyloggers for information.

14:55 <jasong> jk, I just wanted to see how people would respond to that

14:55 <jasong> Do you know who Cameron Connor is?

14:55 <MTughan> No.

14:55 <jasong> it's the robot assigned to protect John Connor in the Sarah Connor Chronicles

14:56 <jasong> I was also considering saying it was calling itself John Henry, for a different robot

14:57 <jasong> Oh, now 3 worms are working together?

14:57 <MTughan> "But there's one thing I just can't comprehend: Why do they put Braille at a drive-up ATM?" lol

14:57 <MTughan> No, the other 2 worms are "dead" I believe, but it's using the same network.

14:57 <jasong> oh

14:58 <MTughan> Let me see if I can find that story..

15:02 <MTughan> It downloads the Waledac spambot, which apparently operates similar to the Storm worm. It also installs a piece of scareware, SpyProtect 2009.

15:02 <MTughan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conficker#End_action

15:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7hoseu> (at en.wikipedia.org)

15:06 <MTughan> Also, oddly enough, it's set to shut down on May 3. No one knows what's going on with that.

15:07 <jasong> yeah, I read that.  That does seem weird

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15:20 <Tank_Master> MTughan: NTFS as of vista and later (NTFS 3.0) includs journalling

15:20 <MTughan> Well, the article I had read said it was journalling, not sure about that.

15:21 <MTughan> Apparently the SATA controller in OS X can occasionally be saturated by a SATA HDD right now, but a SSD saturates it continously.

15:21 <MTughan> continuously*

15:22 <Tank_Master> wow

15:22 <Tank_Master> seems odd considing a normal PC doesnt and MAC is basicly an over priced PC

15:22 <MTughan> That's part of the OS, not the hardware.

15:23 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

15:23 <MTughan> Appparently, using an external SATA controller with its own drivers gets around the problem, but that's impractical for all Macs except for the Mac Pro, the big desktop.

15:23 <Tank_Master> so its not only over priced, but uneffecent... great :P

15:23 <MTughan> It's fine with one SSD I believe, but two or more slows things down.

15:24 <MTughan> Which, again, isn't a problem until you get to the Mac Pro.

15:24 <MTughan> I wish they'd make 3.5" SSDs though... They could be made a little larger, so either have more capacity or the same capacity for a lower price.

15:25 <Tank_Master> agreed

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15:36 <jasong> What is the name for a Linux repository where you pay for the package?  Multiverse?

15:38 <MTughan> I didn't know there was one.

15:39 <MTughan> I'm off for a while...bbl

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16:06 <jasong> Well, it isn't a particular repository, but I mostly use Debian offshoots, so maybe it's just a Debian thing

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16:13 <efc> I saw that Dell is offering some LED backlit monitors. Claim to save a lot of power. Anybody have experience with them?

16:20 <jasong> silly question:What's the Linux command to find my laptop's specs?

16:25 <efc> you can look under /proc, if its still there

16:26 <jasong> Thanks, I had forgotten where it was

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16:34 <Tank_Master> efc - the LED backlights tend to give a truer color display and last longer, plus they dont predice as much heat

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16:36 <efc> Yeah.. it sounds like a good deal. they are about the same price.

16:38 <efc> I just tend not to trust stuff sold as "green"..

16:38 <Tank_Master> nice

16:42 <efc> The LED dispalys had a huge price premium for a while, can't belive it came down that fast

16:42 <jasong> Yeah, efc, I think the price of most things would have to be through the roof to be fully green by my definition

16:42 <Tank_Master> lol

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16:45 <jasong> Even if you're powered off of solar panels, what kind of power did the solar panel people use?

16:45 <jasong> That type of thing

16:45 <Tank_Master> coal power

16:45 <jasong> exactly

16:46 <jasong> so is the company that uses the solar panels green?

16:46 <efc> I admire the sentiment, its just usually turned into a marketing gimmick to the point it doesn't help much

16:46 <jasong> I don't know

16:46 <jasong> exactly

16:46 <jasong> The only way to be totally green is to be a dirty smelly hermit

16:46 <jasong> Or African

16:46 <Tank_Master> why do you think they call it green tech? its cus of the $$

16:46 <jasong> no offense to black people

16:47 <efc> Well they don't have to be perfect, just better

16:47 <jasong> yeah

16:47 <efc> I'll accept "better" for more $$. I won't accept "worse" for more $$.

16:47 <efc> This monitor seems to be an example of better for the same $$, from what I can tell.

16:48 <Tank_Master> it still strikes me as odd that they are so conserened about global warming and yet they trun around and say we cant put out forest fires because they are natural...

16:48 <Tank_Master> yet gobal warming is natural

16:49 <efc> Similarly, they ban burning brush here most of the year, but the forest service burns 15,000 acres and its fine.

16:49 <jasong> I want someone to calculate what percentage of carbon dioxide is generated by all the animals breathing on the planet, and then compare that to human industry generated carbon dioxide.

16:49 <Tank_Master> shyt, only 15,000?

16:50 <jasong> has that ever been calculated?

16:50 <Tank_Master> here millions of acres is a normal season

16:51 <Tank_Master> not uncommon for have miltible 100,000+ fires at once in OR and WA by the end of the year

16:51 <Tank_Master> smoak can actually dim out the sun

16:51 <Tank_Master> and they are conserend about the emissions from my car?

16:51 <Tank_Master> amd not the forest fire?

16:52 <efc> well i mean, they set the 15k on fire on purpose, controlled burn

16:53 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

16:53 <Tank_Master> still nothing compaired to a real forest fire

16:53 <Tank_Master> that they wont put out right away

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16:55 <Tank_Master> hehe, im using mibbit to :D

16:56 <efc> we had a couple hundred thousand, million, i dunno, burn last year, they could not control it

16:56 <efc> in the mountains, they've removed or not maintained the forest service roads. Could not control a fire if they wanted to.

16:58 <efc> I think almost any LCD monitor is supposed to be quite a bit less power than a similar sized CRT, right?

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16:59 <Tank_Master> the 30" LCDs dell has are power hogs

16:59 <Tank_Master> 160w typical, 250w max

16:59 <efc> Yeah, well what would a 30" CRT have been?

17:00 <jasong> off the wall comment:  Everybody seems to be talking about reducing our footprint by reducing our carbon output, but what about devices that collect carbon from the atmosphere?  Or maybe something to put on the tailpipe that collects the carbon for disposal?

17:00 <Tank_Master> my 21" crt is 130w

17:01 <Tank_Master> jasong: most CO2 gass from coal plants are piped to oil fields and pumped underground

17:01 <efc> the crappy 17" crt i'm not using is rated 1.8 amps, i sort of doubt it draws that much though, that would be ~216 watts

17:01 <Tank_Master> has a 2fold effect, inproves oil mining by some 20% and it stores the gass underground

17:02 <jasong> How much carbon is generated when a coal plant makes a kW of energy?

17:02 <Tank_Master> dunno

17:02 <jasong> I'll google it

17:02 <Tank_Master> with the new technologies, its not as much as it used to be

17:03 <efc> this (old) 17" LCD is 0.7 amps, so 70 watts, but probably not even drawing that, since I don't use the nuclear-flash brightness

17:03 <Tank_Master> dell as a 23" 2048x1150 80,000 contrast for $375 that uses 65w

17:03 <efc> I keep meaning to buy a Kill-A-Watt so I can actually measure this junk

17:04 <CoderForLife> back

17:04 <efc> moo CFL

17:04 <CoderForLife> moo efc

17:04 <CoderForLife> I have 2 Kill-A-Watts

17:05 * jasong wonders how much coal-burning could be avoided if a really good battery were developed

17:05 <CoderForLife> I have the pumps for the sewer lift station in the basement plugged into them

17:05 <CoderForLife> so I can see how many amps each of the motors is pulling

17:06 <Tank_Master> sewer lift station??

17:07 <jasong> Yeah, what's a sewer lift station

17:07 <efc> New energy unit, the CFL: equal to one dump per foot*hour

17:07 <Tank_Master> lol

17:07 <efc> its when your toilet is below the level of your septic system

17:08 <efc> and you have to pump the poop up and out

17:08 <jasong> ewwww, what happens if the system breaks?

17:08 * jasong doesn't like his mental picture

17:08 <efc> I thnk that question pretty much answers itself ...

17:08 <Tank_Master> it breaks, thats what happens

17:09 <efc> Or it is starts running backwars and pumps the septic tank into your basement

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17:09 <Tank_Master> then wouldnt the basement *be* the septic tank?

17:09 <efc> Exactly

17:09 <Tank_Master> so why have a seperate one that can fail?

17:10 * jasong is thinking about corn right now, can you guess why? ;)

17:10 <efc> The basement has a much higher Crapacity (another term I coined, thankyouverymuch)

17:10 <Tank_Master> thats why its so craptastic

17:11 <efc> The SI unit of Crapacity is the EFC, one commodeload per joule*hour

17:26 <CoderForLife> lift station - a set of pumps that move sewage from a pit in the basement to the sewer main that is about 300 feet from the house, and slightly uphill

17:27 <CoderForLife> there are two pumps, that alternate duty

17:27 <CoderForLife> they are electric

17:27 <CoderForLife> in a power failure, you don't flush

17:27 <Tank_Master> ouch

17:28 <Tank_Master> id find a better way.. pump it downhimm  into the neighbor's yard?

17:28 <Tank_Master> hill*

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17:28 <CoderForLife> it's downhill all around the house, especially where the hill fell downhill

17:29 <CoderForLife> only the driveway connects this ridge to the one at the street

17:30 <CoderForLife> the house was wired for Y2K to allow a generator to power all the major systems, including the lift station

17:30 <CoderForLife> I have a 15kW/22kW peak generator

17:30 <Tank_Master> y2k?

17:30 <Tank_Master> that was a joke n a half

17:30 <CoderForLife> hmm?

17:31 <Zosma> Mmm is there a possibility to use boinc for the world community grid on a pure x86_64 linux?

17:31 <Zosma> All the project files seem to be 32-bit :-(

17:31 * CoderForLife yields to "back on topic"

17:31 <Tank_Master> afaik, there is no advantage to 64bit with those apps

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17:32 <Tank_Master> a lot of 32bit apps dont see any advantage with 64bit

17:32 <Zosma> Tank_Master: but it is a *disadvantage* now because I can't run them.

17:32 <Tank_Master> you can run 32bit apps on a 64bit OS

17:32 <Tank_Master> you may need to include the 32bit lib with your OS though

17:32 <Zosma> Yeah if you compiled the kernel with emulation support and installed 32-bit libraries.

17:33 <Zosma> But meh... to do that only for boinc seems a bit over the top.

17:33 <Tank_Master> so why dont you? :P

17:33 <Tank_Master> its not gonna hurt performance and itll allow you to run more things

17:33 <Zosma> Well true.

17:33 <Zosma> It will eat up some diskspace though ;-)

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17:47 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:47 <Tank_Master> wb

17:48 <wdsmia> ty

17:48 <wdsmia> tgif

17:48 <Rookie_69> It's friday... Am I allowed here tonight? ;-)

17:48 <wdsmia> no :P

17:48 <Tank_Master> like that would stop you

17:48 <CoderForLife> heh

17:48 <wdsmia> *lo Glenn

17:49 <Rookie_69> Hi, Doug, Don, etc.

17:49 * CoderForLife nods silently

17:51 <Tank_Master> my nams is not etc

17:51 <Tank_Master> name*

17:51 <Rookie_69> tec?

17:52 <Rookie_69> cet?

17:52 <Rookie_69> ect?

17:52 <Rookie_69> fred?

17:52 <wdsmia> dirt?

17:52 <Rookie_69> dorf?

17:52 <XioNYC> duff?

17:52 <Rookie_69> Bradley Abrams?

17:52 <Tank_Master> Rookie_69 == dork

17:53 <wdsmia> lol

17:53 <XioNYC> Princess Angelina COntessa Louisa Francessa Bannana-Lanna Bobesca the Third?

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17:55 <Rookie_69> My face is naked, the boat is uncovered, and they're calling for snow tomorrow night. What happened to spring?

17:55 <wdsmia> it sprung

17:56 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:56 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 55.7F / 13.2C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9.0mph / 14.5km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low around 30. Northeast wind near 10 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. High around 60. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 30s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

17:56 <Rookie_69> It buggered off.

17:57 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

17:57 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 49.3°F / 9.6°C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 6:57 PM ADT; Tonight - A few showers ending this evening then clearing. Amount 2 mm(0.1 in). Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) gusting to 40 km/h (25 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 0C(32F).; Saturday - Increasing (1 more message)

17:57 <Rookie_69> &more

17:57 <Romulus> Rookie_69: cloudiness. Rain beginning near noon. Amount 5 to 10 mm(0.2 to 0.4 in). Wind becoming northeast 20 km/h (12 mph) late in the day. High 4C(39F). UV index 3 or moderate. Saturday night rain at times heavy. Amount 25 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming north 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) overnight. Low 3C(37F).; Sunday - Periods of rain. High 6C(43F).;

17:57 <CoderForLife> the weather looks nasty to the south

17:58 <Rookie_69> Hmm... They don't mention snow.

17:58 <Rookie_69> Sounds like the boat will be washed by sunday though.

17:59 * wdsmia sends Rookie_69 a bucket to bail with

18:00 <Rookie_69> The same bailing bucket you had on hand last summer?

18:00 <efc> The radar is purple in some places

18:01 <efc> holy shiz-nit, http://www.strikestarus.com/index.aspx?id=70

18:01 <Romulus> Title: StrikeStarUS (at www.strikestarus.com)

18:01 <efc> Raise shields

18:03 <Rookie_69> Plastic ones... not steel.

18:03 <XioNYC> Shields up, weapons ready and online...

18:05 <efc> 10 mile wide rotation

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18:08 <efc> the worst of it is northwest of me

18:08 <warinthepocket> hey there

18:08 <efc> radar is black now

18:08 <warinthepocket> i have two machines running boinc, but i'm having trouble with my FreeBSD machine

18:10 <warinthepocket> the client is installed, and i attached a project and it worked for a few hours - and i killed it because i had no idea what it was doing (the client wouldn't respend to requests (boinc_cmd would hang))

18:10 <warinthepocket> and now my machine is idle, but boinc_client is running

18:11 <warinthepocket> it's a fileserver, so it doesn't normally have a lot of load - and it's been on for 96 days now, so i figured it could be used for more

18:14 <efc> Was it using CPU? (boinc)

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18:16 <warinthepocket> efc: what do you mean?

18:17 <warinthepocket> i see that it did 10w/u's for SHA-1, so it did something while it was working - i just want to get it back to what it was doing

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18:32 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Not very chatty in Pittsburgh tonght, I guess.

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18:38 <warinthepocket> !topic

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18:56 <wdsmia> &cyborg  boinc_client

18:56 <Romulus> wdsmia: Names can't have more than 10 letters. Please enter another name.

19:01 <jasong> &cyborg boinc

19:01 <Romulus> jasong: B.O.I.N.C.: Biomechanical Operational Immediate Nullification Construct

19:02 <jasong> &cyborg jasong

19:02 <Romulus> jasong: J.A.S.O.N.G.: Journeying Artificial Soldier Optimized for Nocturnal Gratification

19:02 <jasong> &cyborg romulus

19:02 <Romulus> jasong: R.O.M.U.L.U.S.: Robotic Operational Machine Used for Logical Utility and Sabotage

19:03 <jasong> &cyborg mommy

19:03 <Romulus> jasong: M.O.M.M.Y.: Mechanical Operational Machine Manufactured for Yelling

19:03 <jasong> &cyborg mother

19:03 <Romulus> jasong: M.O.T.H.E.R.: Mechanical Operational Troubleshooting and Hazardous Exploration Replicant

19:04 <jasong> &cyborg tobugchannel

19:04 <Romulus> jasong: Names can't have more than 10 letters. Please enter another name.

19:05 <wdsmia> &cyborg dumbshit

19:05 <Romulus> wdsmia: D.U.M.B.S.H.I.T.: Digital Unit Manufactured for Battle, Scientific Harm and Immediate Troubleshooting

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19:07 <jasong> If I install Windows 7, will it be able to run BOINC?

19:17 <wdsmia> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090410/ap_on_fe_st/odd_building_pollution

19:17 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dezu86> (at news.yahoo.com)

19:18 <MTughan> jasong: Yes. I run BOINC on Win7.

19:22 <jasong> awesome.  You wouldn't happen to know what the final price will be when they start selling it?

19:22 <jasong> errr, maybe I could've phrased that better

19:22 <Rookie_69> Over.

19:22 <jasong> lol

19:23 <jasong> Does anyone know what the price of win7 will be when it's sold?

19:23 <wdsmia> if you have to ask you cant aford it

19:23 <Rookie_69> It is Microsoft, after all.

19:23 <jasong> Or I simply don't know, lol

19:24 <PovAddict> jasong: more expensive than Vista

19:24 <jasong> how expensive was Vista?

19:24 <Tank_Master> Windows 7 Starter Edition: USD $199.95

19:24 <Tank_Master> Windows 7 Home Premium Edition: USD $259.95

19:24 <Tank_Master> Windows 7 Professional Edition: USD $299.95

19:25 <Tank_Master> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition: USD $319.95

19:25 <Tank_Master> thats for the boxed retail full version

19:25 <jasong> Well, I want it for games,  so that would make my cost $200

19:25 <Tank_Master> its a lot cheeper for the oem version

19:25 <jasong> Really?     interesting

19:26 <Tank_Master> just like vista today

19:26 <Tank_Master> you can fwr an oem premium for $99

19:26 <Tank_Master> for vista

19:26 <jasong> Yeah, apparently a locked-in version is worth a loss of half the price

19:26 <jasong> to MS

19:27 <Tank_Master> ultamate is something like $150

19:27 <Tank_Master> fr the OEM

19:27 <jasong> If I were to buy Vista today, would I be able to upgrade to 7?

19:29 <Rookie_69> For a price...

19:29 <Tank_Master> youlll have to pay for the upgrade version

19:29 <Rookie_69>     * Windows 7 Starter: $199

19:29 <Rookie_69>     * Windows 7 Home Premium: $259

19:29 <Rookie_69>     * Windows 7 Professional: $299

19:29 <Rookie_69>     * Windows 7 Ultimate: $319

19:29 <Rookie_69> Lol.

19:29 <Tank_Master> I said that already

19:30 <Tank_Master> :P

19:30 <wdsmia> lol

19:30 <Rookie_69> That's my upgrade prices.

19:31 <Soul_keeper>     * Linux for the win: $0

19:31 <PovAddict> jasong: in Ubuntu, multiverse software is available under potentially non-free licenses

19:31 <wdsmia> you get what you pay for :P

19:31 <PovAddict> ...which doesn't mean it costs money

19:31 <wdsmia> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090410/ap_on_re_us/obama_pizza

19:31 <jasong> Then what's Universe?

19:31 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ajnwx5> (at news.yahoo.com)

19:32 <PovAddict> warinthepocket: did your Internet go down when BOINC hanged?

19:33 <PovAddict> jasong: software in universe is under free licenses, but it's not *supported* by Ubuntu developers/maintainers

19:33 <PovAddict> (it may, of course, get support from the original developers)

19:33 <jasong> ah, ok

19:33 <Rookie_69> Did SHA-1 run out of work?

19:33 <PovAddict> (BOINC is in universe for example)

19:34 * jasong is going to play a game, but will scroll back later to see if anything else was written :)

19:36 <Rookie_69> Is is written!

19:51 <Rookie_69> Mmm... Dead pig is tasty!

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20:11 <Soul_keeper> why have things gotten so screwed up in linux the last year or two ?

20:11 <jasong> what do you mean?

20:12 <Soul_keeper> little things here and there just wanna not work, more bugs and bloat, kernel getting massive with junk features, etc.

20:12 <jasong> Unless you're talking about difficult installs and upgrades, I'd love to hear I'm not the only one

20:12 <jasong> Sounds like Windows

20:12 <Soul_keeper> my mouse keeps locking up and resetting every min or two

20:12 <jasong> Yeah, me too

20:12 <jasong> What do you use?

20:12 <Soul_keeper> then I have to manually reset the resolution with the mouse button

20:13 <Soul_keeper> had this problem in both slackware and slamd64

20:13 <wdsmia> Because its open source and too many asshole want to be programers are adding more and more blote to it

20:13 <Soul_keeper> tryed several versions of X and the kernel, no solutions

20:13 <jasong> oh, I'm in Ubuntu, but it's an interesting coincidence about the lockups

20:14 <Rookie_69> Almost as much bloatware as 'doze on an HP box?

20:14 <Soul_keeper> I should never never upgrade once I get something working, but everything wants things upraded, tired of this game

20:14 <jasong> Are you on a Turion laptop?

20:14 <Soul_keeper> no

20:14 <jasong> I'm trying to figure out if we have the same reason for the lockups

20:14 <jasong> okay nm

20:14 <Soul_keeper> desktop  c2q system

20:14 <jasong> ah, not even the same hardware

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20:15 <Soul_keeper> also the desktop is basically unusable with seti cuda running in 64-bit,  was smooth as butter in 32-bit tho

20:15 <Soul_keeper> not like ANYONE on irc would EVER know how to solve my problems

20:15 <Soul_keeper> and google will return nothing

20:16 * Rookie_69 digs out his sarcasm meter.

20:16 <jasong> Oh, the answer is probably somewhere on the Net, it's just the Google algorithm isn't giving you what you need

20:16 <jasong> not helpful, I know

20:16 <jasong> :)

20:17 <Soul_keeper> they keep screwing with the google algorithms too

20:17 <Soul_keeper> it was very easy to find solutions for common problems on google 8yrs ago for linux

20:17 <Soul_keeper> now good freaking luck

20:17 <PovAddict> too many noobs

20:17 <Soul_keeper> yup

20:17 <Tank_Master> wait, the linux kernle is getting bloated?

20:18 <Soul_keeper> can't say how many times i've searched for a problem on google and gotten 20 or so returns with people having the same problem, yet not a single solution contained in them

20:18 <Tank_Master> while the windows kernel is getting steamlined?

20:18 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master, yes  it's getting massive

20:18 <PovAddict> uh, no

20:18 <Tank_Master> thats just wrong...

20:18 <PovAddict> the linux kernel as given by distributions is getting massive

20:18 <Tank_Master> uh yes

20:18 <efc> remoo

20:18 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master, no the windows kernel is beyond repair

20:19 <PovAddict> you can compile the kernel from source and disable LOTS of bloat

20:19 <Soul_keeper> linux still has a chance

20:19 <Tank_Master> not in win7

20:19 <Tank_Master> the kernel + the nessicary stuff like netowkr and video, is only 25MB

20:19 <Soul_keeper> the default vanilla kernel has grown 10% in the last few months

20:19 <jasong> 10% beyond how much?

20:20 <Soul_keeper> the actual kernel image

20:20 <Soul_keeper> nm

20:20 <Soul_keeper> i'm not gonna educate anyone, it's too much damn work

20:20 <MTughan> The problem is people want a lot of hardware devices to work without drivers, considering how there's no graphical tool I know of in Linux ATM for installing device drivers.

20:20 <jasong> oh, it's a multi-faceted question depending on what you want out of Linux?

20:20 <PovAddict> there is no "default vanilla kernel image"

20:21 <jasong> k

20:21 <PovAddict> it's distributions that release kernel images, and they're rarely vanilla

20:21 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, I guess you've never heard of kernel.org

20:21 <PovAddict> kernel.org doesn't give images, it gives source code

20:21 <Soul_keeper> compile the vanilla kernel, it comes with a .config containing the default/recommended options

20:22 <jasong> has anyone ever made a kernel just for running, say, SETI?

20:22 <Soul_keeper> SO I AM RIGHT AS ALWAYS

20:22 <Tank_Master> lol

20:22 <Soul_keeper> don't argue with the voice of reason

20:22 <efc> People do small kernels for stuff like routers

20:22 <MTughan> Because they know the hardware to be supported.

20:22 * jasong wants to quit wasting his life and start learning this stuff

20:22 <efc> I used to run linux on a 4 meg 386, but had to trim the kernel to make it run reasnably

20:22 <Tank_Master> but I want my router to crunch!

20:23 <jasong> I want my ipod to crunch

20:23 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Get access to the RAM chip or the memory chip, hope it's rewritable, and you can do it.

20:23 <MTughan> jasong: Could be possible, but it'd be horrid on battery life.

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20:24 <MTughan> Rockbox has an iPod version.

20:24 <jasong> oh, I mean with it plugged in at all times

20:24 <MTughan> I wonder if Rockbox could be used for BOINC crunching actually... That'd be interesting. :)

20:25 <Soul_keeper> you dunno how tempting it is for me to just go back to slack 7   (back when things actually worked the best)

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20:27 <PovAddict> damn irc connection

20:28 <PovAddict> <MTughan> Because they know the hardware to be supported

20:28 <PovAddict> well I know what hardware I want supported on my own machine too

20:29 <PovAddict> example: I have no wireless card, so I'd disable any kernel Wi-Fi support

20:29 <MTughan> So recompile the kernel with only the drivers you want.

20:29 <PovAddict> yep

20:29 <MTughan> That'd size it down somewhat.

20:29 <PovAddict> btw, you know what I do when downloading software

20:29 <MTughan> I do?

20:30 <PovAddict> oops

20:30 <PovAddict> btw, you know what I do when downloading software?

20:30 <MTughan> Heh... Nope.

20:30 <PovAddict> curl http://www.example.org/program.tar.bz2 | tee ~/archives/program.tar.bz2 | tar xjvf -

20:31 <MTughan> Decompresses on the fly while seeing the progress of the download?

20:31 <PovAddict> decompresses while downloading, yep

20:31 <MTughan> Nice.

20:32 <Soul_keeper> I think perl does the same thing when grabbing from cpan

20:32 <MTughan> I always download the archive, then uncompress it. Depending on the software though, I'll either delete the archive afterwards, or keep it for a fresh copy of the the download.

20:32 <PovAddict> I like doing multiple things at the same time, especially when they use independent resources

20:32 <PovAddict> (network, CPU, disk)

20:32 <PovAddict> and pipelines are great for that

20:32 <KathrynM> a wadded up piece of paper is like crack for kitties

20:33 <MTughan> Eg, I leave the archive for BOINC project sources around so I can modify the source while still having an unmodified compressed copy around.

20:33 <MTughan> 'lo KathrynM

20:33 <KathrynM> happy Saturday

20:33 <MTughan> Try giving it catnip. ;)

20:33 <KathrynM> I haven't found any over here yet.

20:33 <KathrynM> It's not a cat country.  Too many superstitions.

20:33 <MTughan> They go crazy over the mint smell.

20:34 <MTughan> My mom actually grows her own, fresh catnip.

20:34 <KathrynM> cool

20:34 <KathrynM> I'd have my dad send me some seeds, but I have a black thumb.

20:34 <KathrynM> I kill plants by looking at them

20:34 <MTughan> lol

20:34 <MTughan> We were talking about "green" tech ealier.

20:34 <Tank_Master> KM!!

20:34 <MTughan> earlier*

20:34 * KathrynM looks at the dead bamboo plant on top of the refrigerator

20:35 <MTughan> Sure, kill it some more...

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20:35 <MTughan> Ah, good to have the desktop back...

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20:36 <KathrynM> bbiab...  gonna make breakfast

20:37 <Tank_Master> hf

20:37 <Tank_Master> im gonna heav dinner soon

20:37 <MTughan> Same here soon enough.

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20:42 <Rookie_69> If I was gonna heave dinner soon, I don't think I'd tell everyone...

20:44 <Rookie_69> ... and I thought dinnertime in Ottawa was about three hours ago... Oh yeah... I just ate. Never mind.

20:44 <MTughan> No, it's almost 9PM.

20:45 <MTughan> This is a later dinner for me.

20:50 * Rookie_69 notes that a late dinner is way easier to live with than a late girlfriend.

20:51 <MTughan> ...

20:53 <Rookie_69> ... a girlfriend who is late...

20:54 <MTughan> I get it.

20:56 <MTughan> Looks like Microsoft's still pushing the Zune... http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/10/is-this-the-zune-hd/

20:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dmev27> (at www.engadget.com)

20:58 <Rookie_69> PMP... Personal Movie Player?

20:58 <MTughan> s/Movie/Music/ IMO

20:59 <MTughan> Yes, I use regexes in IRC. Get over it.

21:00 <Rookie_69> I can't read my cellphone screen without reading glasses.

21:00 <Rookie_69> I can barely read my speedometer.

21:01 <Rookie_69> I can pick out boats across the harbour though. ;-)

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21:08 <Soul_keeper> so why does cernel carter on star gate sg1 have a dell xps laptop ?

21:09 <efc> Thats Kernel Carter to you, Private

21:09 <Soul_keeper> whatever, she's running a dell xps

21:10 <Rookie_69> Colonel?

21:10 <MTughan> Oh, read a short review on the Dell Adamo today. Says it looks nice, but falls on hardware. As if we didn't know that already.

21:11 <MTughan> Also said it's overpriced, $2000 laptop shouldn't be this weak.

21:11 <MTughan> Nothing we didn't know already.

21:11 <Rookie_69> She had a pocketful of Dell Dollars to spend?

21:13 <efc> the channel 46 weather lady is hot

21:13 <efc> as she describes the impending doom

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21:16 <CoderForLife> ouch  http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10216799-2.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Webware

21:16 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dd7n7q> (at news.cnet.com)

21:23 <PovAddict> kernel is compiling

21:31 <efc> bleh, great reviews on cnet, they read the specs on monitors and say if they are good or bad

21:31 <efc> they haven't actually seen one

22:03 <Rookie_69> NN.

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22:04 <Tank_Master> at least they state their reports based on seoimthing... more than most of the media does

22:14 <efc> stuff like the response times and contrast ratios is a joke and has been for years

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22:24 <warinthepocket> what is the range of a bird in a day from it's nest? And if a bird doesn't have a nest, where does it stay? does it wander from area to area, or does it stay in a static region?

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22:42 <jasong> I really hope that last comment is in the wrong window

22:42 <jasong> Of course, if it was prefaced with,"quick question," then it could be me saying that, so I'll shut up

22:45 <jasong> Speaking of quick question:If you wanted to go somewhere online to help you figure out where your weaknesses are in mathematics, science, and/or computer programming, where would you go, and if Google is the answer, which search terms would you use?

22:46 <jasong> Oh, and if anybody wants to answer warinthepocket first, that'd be cool too :)

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