IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-04-11

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00:16 * efc3 struggles through taxes

00:27 <jasong> If you're in the US, you need to quit surfing IRC and do you taxes

00:28 <jasong> It's due April 15th right?

00:28 <Soul_keeper> apparently ...

00:33 <jasong> just read this: "The Conservatives accused Mr Brown of copying their proposals for a low-carbon economy."

00:34 <jasong> I wasn't aware that political ideas could be patented in Europe

00:34 <jasong> Or even a small part of it

00:35 * jasong wonders if it's possible to put a copyright on political ideas

00:35 <MTughan> They can't.

00:35 <MTughan> They're trying to gain credit for a plan.

00:36 <jasong> oh, so they're just trying to establish that it was their idea and not Brown's?

00:36 <jasong> My bad

00:36 <MTughan> Yep.

00:37 <Soul_keeper> bbl

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00:39 <efc3> Couple places didn't send me 1099s

00:40 <Soul_keeper> call them and have them fax a copy over

00:40 <Soul_keeper> I had to do that on monday

00:44 <efc3> I can get it close enough. One of them is probably like $5 anyway.

00:44 <efc3> But then I have some complicated dividend stuff

00:45 <Soul_keeper> why you crying about it to us ?

00:45 <Soul_keeper> take care of business !

00:45 <Soul_keeper> git er done !

00:46 <efc3> I'll probably just turn it in and let the IRS figure it out

00:47 <Soul_keeper> bla

00:47 <MTughan> &any ergZay

00:47 <Romulus> MTughan: ergZay was last seen in #boinc 2 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: *** ergZay has quit IRC ()

00:47 <Soul_keeper> file an extension if you can't get all your papers ready

00:47 <MTughan> I wonder how the PPC apps are coming along for NQueens...

00:49 <MTughan> Eh, looks like they're all validating.

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01:05 <warinthepocket> hey there again, i did boinc-cmd --benchmark and it's been running for over 360minutes in processor time...

01:05 <warinthepocket> what is it doing?

01:05 <PovAddict> did your computer clock change since you started it?

01:08 <warinthepocket> my computer clock?

01:08 <MTughan> Yep.

01:09 <warinthepocket> yes?

01:09 <warinthepocket> it's a little off, but the system is still responsive

01:10 <MTughan> No, did it change during computation?

01:10 <MTughan> Or during the benchmark.

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01:12 <warinthepocket> not that i am aware of - the benchmark is still running

01:13 <MTughan> Where are you getting the processor time from?

01:15 <warinthepocket> top

01:16 <warinthepocket> 79288 boinc         1 171  i31  6276K  1528K RUN    367:57 98.93% boinc_client

01:17 <MTughan> &math convert 368 minutes into hours

01:17 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: intohours is not a valid unit.

01:17 <MTughan> &math convert 368 minutes to hours

01:17 <Romulus> MTughan: 6.13333333333

01:18 <MTughan> Not sure, sounds like a bug.

01:18 <MTughan> I'd say kill it and start it again.

01:19 <MTughan> What version are you running?

01:19 <warinthepocket> boinc-client-6.4.5_3

01:21 <MTughan> No current ticket about benchmarks though. What processor and distro do you have?

01:21 <warinthepocket> i386

01:21 <warinthepocket> Intel Pentium III [] [sse mmx]

01:21 <warinthepocket> FreeBSD

01:21 <warinthepocket> 7.0-RELEASE-p5

01:23 <MTughan> How is BOINC installed?

01:23 <warinthepocket> how? through ports, not a package

01:23 <MTughan> So it was compiled?

01:24 <warinthepocket> yes

01:24 <MTughan> All right, I'll see what I can find about it.

01:25 <warinthepocket>

01:25 <Romulus> Title: FreeBSD Ports Search (at

01:29 <MTughan> Did you restart it?

01:30 <MTughan> warinthepocket?

01:31 <warinthepocket> restart the process?

01:31 <MTughan> Yes.

01:31 <MTughan> If it won't shut down gracefully, you should be able to kill it with no ill effects.

01:32 <warinthepocket> i had to do a kill -9

01:32 <MTughan> Long live the kill -9... Crushes anything beneath it.

01:32 <MTughan> It's like the grim reaper. :P

01:32 <warinthepocket> hah

01:33 <warinthepocket> client started

01:33 <PovAddict> inevitable death

01:33 <warinthepocket> idk if any projects are actully attached right now, i deinstalled it and reinstalled again today

01:33 <MTughan> kill -9... Armed with the SIGKILL.

01:34 <PovAddict> even sigterm can be avoided by a process, but there is nothing they can do to avoid a sigkill death

01:34 <MTughan> If you didn't delete the data directory, nothing should've changed.

01:34 <warinthepocket> i rm'd the db dir

01:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: I have had a couple times where a kill -9 won't even kill a process though...

01:34 <PovAddict> so yeah grim reaper

01:34 <MTughan> At that point, I have to restart.

01:35 <warinthepocket> no!

01:35 <PovAddict> MTughan: at that point youre dealing with a kernel bug

01:35 <MTughan> warinthepocket: Then there probably aren't any projects attached.

01:35 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yep.

01:35 <MTughan> Damn hard to repro though. :P

01:36 <PovAddict> I have had unkillable processes... blocked reading from a file in a buggy FUSE filesystem

01:36 <MTughan> That can block a SIGKILL for the time being?

01:37 <PovAddict> in my case it did; maybe fuse itself has a bug that allows it to happe

01:37 <warinthepocket> will i need my account key after this?

01:37 <PovAddict> ok gone to sleepz for real

01:38 <MTughan> warinthepocket: To attach your computer to the project again?

01:38 <warinthepocket> ok

01:38 <MTughan> No, you'll just need the URL of the project, your email, and your password.

01:38 <warinthepocket> oh, so no bother keeping it

01:38 <MTughan> Actually...

01:39 <MTughan> I see --lookup_account and --project_attach

01:39 <MTughan> The former takes URL, email, and passwd, and the latter takes an account key.

01:39 <warinthepocket> yep

01:39 <MTughan> (I don't normally work with boinc_cmd, I usually use the GUI. ;)

01:40 <warinthepocket> well, this is a box i'm ssh'd to

01:40 <MTughan> So not much chance of a GUI. Maybe a TUI.

01:40 <warinthepocket> there is a curses one in ports

01:41 <MTughan> Okay, --lookup_project gets the account key. So while you don't need to keep them, they're probably helpful.

01:41 <warinthepocket> but i figure if the official interface doesn't work, curses will just make things messier

01:41 <warinthepocket> i attached the project

01:41 <warinthepocket> and did  boinc_cmd --get_project_status

01:41 <warinthepocket> and it's just sitting there :P

01:41 <MTughan> Yeah, well the official interface through ./boinc_cmd isn't as much as an interface to BOINC as it is an interface to the RPC format it uses.

01:42 <warinthepocket> hmm

01:42 <MTughan> Heh. Is it taking CPU time again?

01:42 <PovAddict> MTughan: it's a CLI, not a TUI... aptitude is an example of a TUI

01:42 <warinthepocket> well, the sha1_collision process is running

01:42 <warinthepocket> that's good

01:43 <MTughan> Is the client (core client) taking CPU time then?

01:43 <warinthepocket> not that i can see

01:43 <MTughan> PovAddict: CLI/TUI... Both are usable from command line. :P

01:43 <PovAddict> so everythinf seems to be working now

01:43 <MTughan> Well, why is --get-project-status hanging though?

01:43 <warinthepocket> it would just be nice to see what it's doing :P

01:44 <PovAddict> MTughan: a BOINC TUI would be quite useful actually, I plan to do one with my guirpc library

01:44 <MTughan> --attach-project returned with success though?

01:44 <warinthepocket> apparently, if it's been given work units and is at them

01:44 <MTughan> PovAddict: Is the weak account key any use?

01:44 <MTughan> Ah, good point...

01:45 <PovAddict> MTughan: lets you crunch but not login and eg. change prefs

01:45 <warinthepocket> did a ctrl+t, no process time on the hang...

01:45 <MTughan> warinthepocket: Also, if you have a GUI on the machine you're logged in to, you can use the GUI on that machine to connect to the remote machine.

01:46 <warinthepocket> i can?

01:46 <warinthepocket> i have that...

01:47 <PovAddict> maybe a ssh tunnel

01:47 <warinthepocket> i'm already ssh'd into it

01:47 <MTughan> Yep. In the BOINC data directory, create a file called remote_hosts.cfg with the IP addresses of the machines you'd like to be able to connect to it, separated by newlines.

01:47 <PovAddict> do you know how to tunnel TCP connections?

01:48 <warinthepocket> man ssh  ;D

01:48 <MTughan> Change the text in gui_rpc_auth.cfg to a password you can remember, and then restart BOINC.

01:48 <MTughan> In the GUI, Advanced->Select Computer, and enter the IP address.

01:48 <PovAddict> MTughan: high chance theres a firewall in the middle...

01:48 <MTughan> True...

01:49 <warinthepocket> this is all in my home network

01:49 <PovAddict> and ssh port is already open

01:49 <MTughan> Is there a firewall on the remote machine?

01:49 <PovAddict> oh i thought it was remote

01:49 <warinthepocket> nope

01:49 <MTughan> Then you're set.

01:49 <warinthepocket> remote as in it's on the other side of my house :P

01:49 <MTughan> Well, once the configuration is done.

01:50 <MTughan> PovAddict: I don't know about you, but the GUI is more powerful than the CLI.

01:50 <PovAddict> hell yes

01:59 <warinthepocket> when i'm connecting to another machine...

01:59 <warinthepocket> what password do i use?

02:00 <warinthepocket> login for that machine, or for the account?

02:00 <MTughan> The password you specified in gui_rpc_auth.cfg.

02:00 <MTughan> Sorry, forgot to note that.

02:00 <warinthepocket> password?

02:00 <Romulus> Somebody said password is wrong, warinthepocket

02:01 <MTughan> Did you edit gui_rpc_auth.cfg in the data directory?

02:01 <warinthepocket> where do i specify the password?

02:01 <warinthepocket> yes

02:01 <MTughan> Then whatever's in that file is what BOINC's using for the password.

02:01 <warinthepocket> /var//db/boinc

02:01 <warinthepocket> the top of the file?

02:01 <warinthepocket> blah

02:01 <MTughan> You specified multiple lines?

02:02 <warinthepocket> yes

02:02 <warinthepocket> local host, with 6 other IPs

02:02 <warinthepocket> because i have dynamic IPs :P

02:02 <MTughan> Oops...

02:02 <MTughan> IP addresses go in remote_hosts.cfg, the password goes in gui_rpc_auth.cfg.

02:02 <warinthepocket> oh :P

02:03 <MTughan> There we go, now we're straight.

02:04 <MTughan> remote_hosts.cfg probably won't exist, you'll have to create it.

02:08 <warinthepocket> wow, wonders

02:08 <MTughan> GUi works?

02:09 <warinthepocket> changed the config, the remote manager works, popped up when i started the client

02:09 <warinthepocket> but... it's not responding :P

02:09 <warinthepocket> go figure

02:09 <MTughan> The GUI isn't responding?

02:09 <warinthepocket> lol, nope

02:09 <warinthepocket> LOL

02:09 <MTughan> Yep, that sounds like the BOINC GUI alright...

02:10 <MTughan> Not exactly the best programmed thing in the world, but it's better than boinc_cmd. When it works, that is.

02:11 <MTughan> But, it sounds like your issue may not be BOINC bugs, but a bad compile.

02:11 <warinthepocket> hmm

02:12 <warinthepocket> the curses won't run either :P

02:12 <warinthepocket> i guess i can just let it run without watching it

02:13 <warinthepocket> i would hope that stability would be a priority for this project :P

02:13 <warinthepocket> i don't mind using old cli's (ok,i like them)

02:14 <MTughan> Yeah, well the 6.4 series haven't exactly been the most stable around.

02:14 <MTughan> They were released prematurely because Nvidia wanted them out for marketing purposes.

02:14 <warinthepocket> but i do expect things to work :P, otherwise i scratch my head and waste hours of my life

02:14 <MTughan> They've never really recovered, even with 6.6.

02:14 <warinthepocket> marketing...

02:14 <MTughan> You can always try 6.2.15 or 5.10.45.

02:14 <warinthepocket> that might be worth a try

02:15 <warinthepocket> were can i get those?

02:15 <warinthepocket> (and what disadvantages would i have?)

02:16 <MTughan> svn co OR

02:16 <Romulus> <> (at

02:16 <MTughan> svn co

02:16 <Romulus> <> (at

02:17 <MTughan> Depending on the release you'd like to use.

02:17 <MTughan> I think the only major disadvantage you'd have by going to one of those versions is possibly some debugging flags that were added in later versions, and GPU crunching.

02:17 <MTughan> But not much.

02:18 <warinthepocket> this box has no fancy GPU, so that's fine

02:18 <MTughan> You'd need to have an X server running on the box to use the GPU anyway.

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02:19 <warinthepocket> hmm

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02:24 <warinthepocket> MTughan: that doesnt' work so well :P

02:24 <warinthepocket> they only have Linux versions

02:24 <MTughan> What doesn't? svn co or configure?

02:24 <MTughan> Yes, built. The svn co should give you the source.

02:24 <warinthepocket> i wget'd the file

02:24 <warinthepocket> hmm

02:25 <MTughan> Do you have subversion?

02:25 <warinthepocket> i should

02:26 <warinthepocket> ok, no svn

02:26 <warinthepocket> freebsd moved to something else...

02:26 <MTughan> I can check it out for you and wrap it in a tarred bunzip.

02:26 <warinthepocket> gah, i beleive it's compatable

02:26 <warinthepocket> nah

02:27 <warinthepocket> this is a aweful lot of trouble to run a client :P

02:27 <MTughan> lol

02:27 <warinthepocket> i think i'll call it a night

02:28 <MTughan> ALl right.

02:28 <warinthepocket> it's only 1:30am :P

02:28 <MTughan> 2:30 here.

02:28 <warinthepocket> :P

02:28 <MTughan> So you're in CST?

02:28 <warinthepocket> yep

02:28 <warinthepocket> MN

02:28 <MTughan> ON

02:28 <warinthepocket> Canadia?

02:28 <warinthepocket> ahh

02:29 <MTughan> Canada, not Canadia. :P

02:29 <warinthepocket> i'm pretty sure it's Canadia

02:29 <warinthepocket> lol

02:29 <warinthepocket> where about in Canada? i have a friend in Windsor

02:29 <warinthepocket> Canada=ON :P

02:30 <MTughan> Ottawa.

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02:30 <MTughan> So just about as far as can be without going north. ;P

02:30 <MTughan> Gah, my Shift key is acting up tonight...

02:31 <MTughan> Wow... KDE 4.2 has a Pastebin plugin.

02:32 <warinthepocket> :P

02:53 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

02:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 44.2F / 6.8C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.8mph / 1.3km/h ; Overnight - Rain late this evening and early morning...then a slight chance of rain late. Breezy with lows in the upper 30s. North winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid (1 more message)

02:53 <CoderForLife> &more

02:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 50s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Freeze Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 11:00 AM EDT on April 12, 2009;

02:56 <MTughan> Wow... Chewing gum makes you really have to burp

02:56 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

03:04 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

03:04 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 47.5F / 8.6C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 40. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain. Highs around 55. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the (1 more message)

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03:04 <Romulus> Tank_Master: evening...then a chance of rain after midnight. Lows around 45. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;

03:12 <CoderForLife> hello MTughan

03:12 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master

03:20 <efc> I think I got my taxes figured

03:20 <efc> ~2500 swing, from owe to getback

03:23 <efc> but i may have messed up

03:24 <efc> darn cost basis

03:29 <CoderForLife> it's easier if you just send it all in

03:29 <efc> couple hundred brokerage transactions, and qualified dividends, etc

03:30 <CoderForLife> you must be some kind of evil capitalist stockholder

03:31 <efc> dad runs the stuff for me

03:31 <efc> he was supposed to lose money, but noooo

03:31 <CoderForLife> ah an evil hedge fund manager, running other people's money

03:32 <CoderForLife> are you sure he's not running some kind of ponzi scheme on you?

03:33 <CoderForLife> and how about that woman that introduced him to you?

03:33 <CoderForLife> cherchez la femme

03:33 <efc> the risk is lower than leaving it in the bank

03:33 <Tank_Master> howdu CFL

03:33 <CoderForLife> heya T

03:34 <Tank_Master> wazz up?

03:34 <CoderForLife> me

03:35 <CoderForLife> I think I'll get something to eat - brb

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03:42 <CoderForLife> b

03:43 <CoderForLife> my discussion of breakfast always seems to drive efc away

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03:53 <MTughan_> There's definitely something off with the 9.3 drivers...

03:54 <MTughan_> BSODs in one game, could be a fair amount of stuff.

03:54 <MTughan_> BSODs in another game? Graphics drivers.

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04:16 <Tank_Master>

04:16 <Romulus> <> (at

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04:33 <FreeLarry58> humm why would f8 freeze the machine on boot up at starting RPC idmapd?

04:38 <FreeLarry58> humm tried an earlier version booted up but looks like cpu overheat problem or memory?/cache? clock sync on both cpu cores

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04:41 <yangpp> Is there a BOINC project which gives you credit/money from the time you contributed to it ?

04:48 <Soul_keeper> no

04:48 <XioNYC> There was - IIRC.

04:49 <XioNYC> I don't remember what came of it.

04:49 <XioNYC> I *do* remember there was a bit of a backlash, though.

04:49 <Soul_keeper> there have been a few distributed projects that pay over the years, they don't last very long it seems

04:49 <XioNYC> Or said another way, pay-projects don't pay off in the long term.

04:52 <Soul_keeper> there is a project that will pay 1st 2nd 3rd place "prizes" to the person that happens to crack a code.  forget the name tho

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04:55 <Soul_keeper>

04:55 <Romulus> Title: Project RC5 (at

04:55 <Soul_keeper> there you go

04:55 <Soul_keeper> can run it in boinc with a wrapper

04:56 <Soul_keeper> awesome

04:56 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, wake up

04:56 <Soul_keeper> has a stream client

04:56 * XioNYC pours a fresh cup o' joe

04:56 <MTughan> You know that wouldn't do anything if I were asleep, right?

04:56 <Soul_keeper> check it out

04:56 <Soul_keeper>

04:56 <Romulus> <> (at

04:57 <Soul_keeper> [x86/Stream]  v2.9103.509 (beta1)

04:57 <MTughan> Tell yoyo when he rejoins.

04:57 <XioNYC> Never underestimate the power of the liquid schwartz.

04:57 <Soul_keeper> :)

04:59 <FreeLarry58> &coffee for Soul_keeper MTughan XioNYC

04:59 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

04:59 <MTughan> Nah, don't drink coffee.

05:00 <FreeLarry58> they wer iv's

05:00 <XioNYC> Nah.  I've been through eight-shot espressos...

05:00 <FreeLarry58> ahh my favorite double quads

05:00 <XioNYC> No sugar, no milk, no decaf :-)

05:01 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you dual boot linux

05:01 <Soul_keeper> ?

05:01 <MTughan> Yes.

05:01 <FreeLarry58> lol yeah can remember those days - drink your coffee with a knife to spread it on bisotte

05:01 <FreeLarry58> biscotte

05:02 <XioNYC> "Biscotti".  English translation: "Stale bread"

05:02 <FreeLarry58> "very" stale bread

05:02 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, then I guess you're the one to see if works with your ati card and yoyo :)    i'm nvidia now

05:03 <MTughan> Well, I'm not sure if the Linux partition on the desktop actually works.

05:03 <MTughan> It's Fedora 7, and it hasn't been booted since I replaced the P4 with the C2Q/

05:03 <Soul_keeper> you'd have to get the  brook+/cal libraries/sdk installed/configured right ...

05:04 <Soul_keeper> ok

05:10 <MTughan> Huh... Seems that CUDA and PhysX can run on ATI cards, but Nvidia is waiting for ATI to call them, and ATI is waiting for Nvidia to call them.

05:10 <MTughan> In otherwords, a classic Catch 22.

05:13 <Soul_keeper> well speaking from a hardware perspective yeah it can run on them

05:13 <Soul_keeper> but i doubt they have fully implemented opencl in the physX code, or the ati drivers

05:14 <MTughan> Well, there was an effort last summer to get PhysX and CUDA on Radeon cards, but it seems to have stalled.

05:14 <Soul_keeper> i'm surprised nvidia is pushing it so hard given the fact that once both are on level playing feilds the ati card could win due to it's hardware being so strong

05:15 <Soul_keeper> all the physx code base would need to be rewritten for opencl

05:15 <MTughan> Well, I'm looking at possibly getting a weaker Nvidia card for PhysX support, with the ATI being the primary graphics.

05:15 <MTughan> Should also allow me to do CUDA through BOINC.

05:15 <Soul_keeper> :)

05:15 <Soul_keeper> i'm happy with my gts250

05:16 <MTughan> Which is a remarked 9800, right?

05:16 <Soul_keeper> 9800GTX+

05:16 <Soul_keeper> basically

05:17 <Soul_keeper> 112 SPs in my 9800GT and  128 SPs in my gts250

05:17 <MTughan> The only question I can't seem to get answered is how powerful a card would I need for simple PhysX effects and CUDA crunching.

05:18 <MTughan> The closest I've seen is a reference to a 9800GT.

05:18 <Soul_keeper> i'd assume it would be plenty

05:18 <MTughan> But apparently an 8600GT will work.

05:18 <Soul_keeper> prolly

05:18 <Soul_keeper> 64 SPs in that I believe

05:18 <MTughan> The other thing is I think my dad's going to upgrade his computer hardware soon, and I know he has a Nvidia graphics card, a fanless one at that.

05:19 <MTughan> Just not sure what model it is.

05:20 <MTughan> You know what, this looks like it...

05:20 <Romulus> <> (at

05:20 <MTughan> An 8600GT. :)

05:20 <MTughan> I know it's got the yellow sleeve at the end, and the only image results on that are 8600GTs and 8600GTSs.

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05:22 <MTughan> Was just going to send a message to my dad over Skype... Then remembered it's 5:30AM. :)

05:23 <Soul_keeper>

05:23 <Romulus> Title: 3D Chipset Specs (at

05:23 <Soul_keeper> I'd focus on nothing but the SPs

05:23 <Soul_keeper> 128xPS 4.0

05:23 <Soul_keeper> they list them as  PS   there

05:24 <MTughan> Yeah, the 8600 is 32xPS...

05:25 <MTughan> Even a 9600GT has more.

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05:38 <Soul_keeper> hey yoyo[RKN]

05:38 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

05:39 <Soul_keeper>   looks like has some cuda and what looks like ati stream  apps available

05:39 <Romulus> <> (at

05:44 <Soul_keeper> looks like gpugrid will take about 10hrs for a wu on this gts250

05:45 <Soul_keeper> so if you only had 32 SPs  that would be 40hrs

05:49 <MTughan> I may just forgo CUDA crunching then, we'll see.

05:50 <MTughan> It'd be interesting to run 4 CPU WUs, 2 MW ATI WUs, and however many CUDA WUs too though... :)

05:50 <MTughan> I have to get the card first.

05:50 <Soul_keeper> my next upgrade will be memory and a mouse

05:51 <MTughan> What mouse do you have now?

05:52 <Soul_keeper> my mouse just broke

05:52 <Soul_keeper> it kept freezing every min or two

05:52 <MTughan> Ah... :P

05:53 <Soul_keeper> I'm using an old mouse now with no glider pads

06:06 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 120F to C

06:06 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: 120F is not a valid unit.

06:06 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 120 F to C

06:06 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 48.8888888889

06:07 <MTughan> Warm.

06:07 <Soul_keeper> just talking to a F lover ...

06:08 <Soul_keeper> makes no sense to me when talking about cpu temps :)

06:08 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

06:08 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 11:50 AM CEST; Clear. High:68 F.; Clear. Low:46 F.; Clear. High:69 F.; Clear. Low:44 F.; Clear. High:73 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:46 F.;

06:08 <MTughan> Yeah.

06:09 <Soul_keeper> jump in #linuxsociety

06:09 <MTughan> Why?

06:09 <Soul_keeper> I got some coffee, friend is installing gentoo

06:09 <Soul_keeper> I'll refrain from making fun of canadians, I promise

06:10 <Soul_keeper> but puerto ricans and dominicans are fair game :)

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07:16 <Soul_keeper> yoyo[RKN], hey I just attached to yoyo for the first time, it's running an ecm WU.   How come it just says 0% done after 20+ minutes ?

07:19 <yoyo[RKN]> it jumps to 20% after 20%

07:21 <Soul_keeper> is there a way to change that ? a setting maybe ?

07:21 <Soul_keeper> maybe 5% perhaps

07:21 <XioNYC> Aren't the % done based on checkpoints or something like that?

07:21 <MTughan> Without changing the length. That means no 20 ecm crunches in one WU. :P

07:22 <MTughan> XioNYC: It's a wrapped app.

07:22 <XioNYC> I did not know that, MTughan.

07:22 <MTughan> You do now. ;)

07:22 * XioNYC has learned something new today.

07:24 * Soul_keeper never learns anything, and if he does he learns to forget :)

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08:46 <Soul_keeper> any recommendation for a material to use for replacing worn off glider pads on the bottom of a mouse ?  :)

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09:13 <Soul_keeper> stainless steel tacks  heated and pressed into the bottom of my mouse :)   worked perfect

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11:17 <CoderForLife> away to the grocery store

11:33 <Tank_Master> c-ya guys later

11:33 <Tank_Master> someone is coming by soon to take a look at this comp to see if he wants to buy it

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12:18 <Soul_keeper> HEY !

12:18 <Soul_keeper> anyone home ?

12:19 <wdsmia> nope

12:22 <Soul_keeper>

12:22 <Romulus> <> (at

12:22 <Soul_keeper> how's my last post there wdsmia ?

12:24 <wdsmia> looks ok

12:25 <Soul_keeper> it's ok to call them a "stupid ass troll"  for quoting me everytime I speak right ?

12:25 <wdsmia> lol

12:32 <Soul_keeper> it specifically says  "DON'T QUOTE ME I DON'T WANNA FLAMEWAR WITH YOU !!!!"   in my sig,  yet they still do it every single time I post anything

12:33 <wdsmia> yea only idiots post on those boards

12:36 <Soul_keeper> it's like a popularity contest or something.  they try to post as many times as they can so they can tell their freinds/family they are some kinda uber expert on tech and have X number of posts helping people

12:36 <Soul_keeper> they prolly call their mother's up weekly and talk for hours about their posts on forums

12:37 <Soul_keeper> haha

12:43 <wdsmia> so when was the last time you called you mama?

12:43 <Soul_keeper> I don't

12:43 <Soul_keeper> I let her call me, then I conveniently have nothing to talk about

12:44 <wdsmia> lol

12:44 <Soul_keeper> she'll call and leave a message, and i won't return it.   then she'll call back and i might pick up.

12:46 <Soul_keeper> you know, i'm a busy guy. Always got something to click on my computer or something ...

12:48 <wdsmia> must take a fair amount of time for all those message board posts

12:49 <Soul_keeper> well, I gotta keep my role model image alive and well.

12:51 <Soul_keeper> the moderator gave me a warning there now

12:51 <Soul_keeper> they can all kiss my ass

12:56 * wdsmia thinks he will go break the roadster out of mothballs and get a oil change

12:58 <Soul_keeper> Let's cool it with the mudslinging, please. If you don't wish to debate the point with the person, then you're always free to leave the thread.

12:58 <Soul_keeper> AmberClad

12:58 <Soul_keeper> Video Moderator

13:02 <Soul_keeper> my reply:

13:02 <Soul_keeper> thank you.

13:02 <Soul_keeper> my first "warning" after all these years.

13:02 <Soul_keeper> Seems like I can't post anything without someone quoting me and trying to say i'm wrong on everything I say.

13:02 <Soul_keeper> Opinions seem unwelcome. I just called it like I saw it, he's a stupid ass troll.

13:02 <Soul_keeper> sorry for the disturbance, I won't be replying there anymore.

13:02 <Soul_keeper> and btw i've seen worse "stupid ass trolls" ....

13:02 <Soul_keeper> Soul_keeper

13:02 <Soul_keeper> person calling others a stupid ass troll :)

13:04 <wdsmia> take a chill pill dude

13:07 <Soul_keeper> yeah, what kinda roadster you got ?

13:09 <Soul_keeper> lol, that'll keep the moderator busy for awhile trying to decide what to make of my reply

13:10 <Soul_keeper> good quality entertainment

13:12 <wdsmia> MX5 just put the charger on batt

13:13 <Soul_keeper> what's that a mazda or something ?

13:15 <wdsmia> yea just a little go fast

13:16 <Soul_keeper> nice

13:16 <wdsmia> Third generation (NC)

13:22 <PovAddict> yangpp: where would money come from if they paid you to contribute?

13:22 <PovAddict> if they had that kind of money, they'd buy their own computers

13:25 <Soul_keeper> lol, that guy is prolly sleepy

13:26 <Soul_keeper> sleeping*

13:35 <CoderForLife> b

13:36 <CoderForLife> just an observation - the grocery store has a lot different atmosphere at 7:00am as compared to 1:00pm

13:37 <CoderForLife> it's all about krazy krash karts at 1:00

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14:20 <Soul_keeper> excellent work

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14:36 <HammerHead66> anyone crunching for Aqua and have a 64bit ubuntu?

14:41 <HammerHead66> ok, is anyone crunching for Aqua?

14:41 <HammerHead66> !aqua

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14:42 <HammerHead66> Romulus: !Aqua

14:42 <Romulus> HammerHead66: Are you daft?

14:44 <HammerHead66> Romulus:!SETI

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14:44 <HammerHead66> Romulus: !SETI

14:46 <yangpp> PovAddict: depends on how much they would give

14:46 <yangpp> PovAddict: some projects are funded from governments

14:47 <yangpp> PovAddict: people would have higher interest, if they would get something in return

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15:19 <PovAddict> no, they'd try to cheat more than they already do

15:19 <PovAddict> some projects have thousands of users

15:19 <PovAddict> unless you're giving each a dollar... it can't be done

15:24 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm

15:24 <yoyo[RKN]> 64 bit ecm is much faster

15:24 <yoyo[RKN]> granted=4*claimed

15:25 <PovAddict> hmm

15:25 <PovAddict> is ecm Fortran? or am I confusing with another app you use?

15:25 <yoyo[RKN]> but for 32 bit granted<claimed

15:25 <yoyo[RKN]> no it is C++

15:25 <yoyo[RKN]> or C

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16:07 <wdsmia> Id forgotten just how much fun the little go fast is to drive :)

16:09 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: ?

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16:10 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> i still run 6.2.1

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16:35 <jackygrahamez> hi

16:35 <jackygrahamez> anyone want to be an alpha tester for drugdiscovery@home?

16:35 <XioNYC> Does it run on PowerPC?

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16:36 <jackygrahamez> I need to fix the zip binary for that

16:36 <yoyo[RKN]> which apps do you have, jackygrahamez

16:37 <jackygrahamez> autodock and gromacs, essentially the same I have running on hydrogen

16:37 <yoyo[RKN]> project url?

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16:45 <Rookie_69> slash nick identify me.

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16:57 <Rookie_69> Moo.

16:58 <efc> hey

16:58 <Rookie_69> Did I say that?

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17:01 <efc> I got a run of my taxes done, but think I have to do it over

17:01 <efc> I suspect the answer will be quite painful

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17:05 <MTughan> &ping

17:05 <Romulus> pong

17:05 <Rookie_69> Oh yeah... taxes... something else to do.

17:09 <efc> I have a spreadsheet (link on request) that makes the mechanics pretty easy

17:11 * Rookie_69 lives in a different country.

17:12 <wdsmia> kanuckastan is a country?

17:14 <Rookie_69> Apparently.

17:15 <efc> Oh, you just fork it all over then. Quick and easy.

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17:46 <Rookie_69> 65865

17:46 <MTughan> Should that have been preceeded by a &wx?

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17:47 <MTughan> Or a /quit...

18:04 * efc upgraded to 1040 from 1040A

18:05 <efc> I hit the big time

18:05 <MTughan> ?

18:06 <efc> too complicated for 1040-A

18:06 <MTughan> Tax forms?

18:06 <efc> although its not technically required. yeah.

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19:17 <CoderForLife> home again - went to visit Mom and Dad for their birthdays (9th and 13th, in reverse order)

19:17 <CoderForLife> sometimes you have to visit your parents, even if it hurts a bit

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19:48 <KathrynM> the cat is going to die

19:48 <KathrynM> I've given her a time out in bathroom

19:53 <CoderForLife> a bathroom substitutes as a cat masoleum?

19:54 <CoderForLife> I thought you were supposed to build a pyramid for that...

19:58 <KathrynM> lol

19:58 <CoderForLife> ah, my purpose is fulfilled

20:00 <CoderForLife> off for tonight - be back early in the morning

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20:31 <Soul_keeper> what happened to ?

20:31 <MTughan> I believe GPUGRID is down IIRC.

20:33 <MTughan>

20:33 <Romulus> <> (at

20:34 <MTughan> And from the BOINC Synergy news feed: "Hi, happy Easter. In perfect timing, it seems that we had a power cut and the server is down. I am not sure if we can bring it up before Tuesday morning. We will be probably change the deadlines so people will be able to get credits."

20:38 <Soul_keeper> awww

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20:52 <Soul_keeper> I bet the "Furries" are gonna have a great time this weekend.

20:52 <PovAddict> o_o

20:53 <PovAddict> Who’s the cruel person who painted that there?

20:53 <Romulus> <> (at

20:57 <Soul_keeper> I don't get it PovAddict ...

20:57 <Soul_keeper> supposed to be a real girafee ?

20:58 <PovAddict> all are real giraffes

20:58 <PovAddict> there is a painting of a tree, and the giraffe is trying to eat from it

20:59 <Soul_keeper>

20:59 <Romulus> <> (at

21:00 <PovAddict> wtf

21:01 <Soul_keeper>

21:01 <Romulus> <> (at

21:03 <Soul_keeper>

21:03 <Romulus> <> (at

21:05 <Soul_keeper>

21:05 <Romulus> <> (at

21:11 <Soul_keeper> wtf  why is it so hard to find good things from a google  "furries orgy"  search ....

21:11 <XioNYC> Because Google is Evil.

21:13 <Soul_keeper> the google images returns are less provocative than fox cartoons on the subject

21:14 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Turn off Safe Search?

21:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: Know if there's a way to get dig to return all possible IPs for a DNS address?

21:14 <PovAddict> doesn't it already?

21:14 <PovAddict> $ dig

21:14 <PovAddict> [...]

21:14 <PovAddict>         60063   IN      CNAME

21:14 <PovAddict>       26      IN      A

21:14 <PovAddict>       26      IN      A

21:14 <PovAddict>       26      IN      A

21:14 <PovAddict>       26      IN      A

21:14 <MTughan> Oh, it does... I was attempting to do it for a reverse DNS, thought it would do the same for that.

21:15 <MTughan> My IP address has at least 4 DNS names associated with it, I wanted to see if I could find them all.

21:15 <MTughan> 3 DNS*

21:17 <MTughan> PovAddict: So any way to get all the reverse DNS lookups?

21:17 <PovAddict> I don't know if DNS *allows* multiple reverse DNS entries

21:18 <MTughan> Heh, okay...

21:18 <PovAddict> note reverse DNS needs explicit setting, which your university seems to be doing for you

21:18 <MTughan> ?

21:18 <MTughan> I had to explicitely set the server to use an OpenDNS server because Carleton's doesn't recognize the dynamic DNS address for my machine.

21:19 <PovAddict> to make, you need to be able to change DNS of the zone, which you can do if you own the domain

21:19 <PovAddict> but to make your IP resolve back to, you need to be able to change the zone, which is a range owned by the university

21:20 <MTughan> Well, it's not modified at Carleton.

21:20 <PovAddict> for example, I'm unable to make my IP address resolve back to, because I can't edit the DNS data for my IP (owned by my ISP)

21:21 <PovAddict> however, I can do it for IPv6 because I own the big range :)

21:22 <Soul_keeper> Guy.jpg   is that you ?

21:27 <Soul_keeper>

21:28 <PovAddict> I fail

21:28 <PovAddict> I forgot my IPv6 tunnel password

21:28 <PovAddict> I hate passwords...

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23:09 <buzz-cp> can anyone help re:linux

23:09 <MTughan> Probably.

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23:10 <buzz-cp> having trouble

23:10 <buzz-cp> boinc_cmd --get_state

23:10 <buzz-cp> shows

23:10 <buzz-cp> ======== Projects ========

23:10 <buzz-cp> ======== Applications ========

23:10 <buzz-cp> ======== Application versions ========

23:10 <buzz-cp> ======== Workunits ========

23:10 <buzz-cp> ======== Results ========

23:10 <buzz-cp> which is normal from what I understand

23:10 <buzz-cp> (haven't ever used boinc btw)

23:10 <PovAddict> it means it's doing nothing

23:11 <PovAddict> it's totally empty :)

23:11 <PovAddict> you should attach a project :)

23:11 <buzz-cp> right

23:11 <buzz-cp> i'm trying to use the gui app

23:11 <buzz-cp> boincmgr

23:12 <buzz-cp> it gives me an error

23:12 <MTughan> What error?

23:12 <buzz-cp> well it just says Error in simple view

23:12 <PovAddict> prints that to console?

23:12 <buzz-cp> gui

23:12 <PovAddict> hmm

23:12 <PovAddict> post a screenshot?

23:12 <MTughan> Maybe the GUI can't find gui_rpc_auth?

23:13 <PovAddict>

23:13 <Romulus> Title: Imagebin - Upload an Image (at

23:13 <PovAddict> what Linux distro?

23:13 <Romulus> what Linux distro are you using, PovAddict

23:13 <MTughan> forget what Linux distro

23:13 <Romulus> Got it, MTughan.

23:13 * PovAddict slaps Romulus with his /etc/init.d scripts

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23:15 <buzz-cp> PovAddict:

23:15 <Romulus> <> (at

23:15 <PovAddict> Ubuntu? BOINC installed from apt?

23:15 <buzz-cp> btw I am using Ubuntu 8.10

23:15 <buzz-cp> Yes

23:15 <PovAddict> the version from apt says "pre-release"? weird

23:15 <MTughan> PovAddict: This is all too familiar, isn't it...

23:16 <buzz-cp> ya

23:16 <PovAddict> try starting BOINC Manager from your desktop environment app launcher

23:16 <PovAddict> (like the K Menu on KDE, or the "Applications" menu on GNOME)

23:16 <PovAddict> instead of boincmgr on the console

23:16 <buzz-cp> using fluxbox, not in my menu

23:17 <PovAddict> ok

23:17 <PovAddict> then cd to /var/lib/boinc-client, and run boincmgr

23:17 <buzz-cp> followed some of this

23:17 <Romulus> Title: BOINC - Ubuntu Wiki (at

23:17 <buzz-cp> I thought it was weird: about putting a passwd in this file: /etc/boinc-client/gui_rpc_auth.cfg

23:18 <buzz-cp> oh

23:18 <MTughan> That file is where the boinc daemon looks for a connection password. The manager should pick it up automatically, but it only searches for the file in the current directory.

23:18 <PovAddict> do you have an account on Ubuntu Launchpad?

23:19 <MTughan> Hence why the manager has to/should be run from /var/lib/boinc-client.

23:19 <buzz-cp> Yes

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23:20 <buzz-cp> * Pov: yes

23:20 <PovAddict> buzz-cp: then please mark this bug as affecting you too (click the link saying "This bug doesn't affect me (change)")

23:20 <PovAddict>

23:20 <Romulus> Title: Bug #347651 in boinc (Ubuntu): “boincmgr and boinccmd fail to authenticate - looking in wrong place” (at

23:21 <buzz-cp> aaah

23:21 <MTughan> PovAddict: Maybe BOINC should also look in a shell environment variable for the data directory, which could be set by a package?

23:21 <buzz-cp> awesome

23:22 <PovAddict> MTughan: hardcoding paths within /etc is fine

23:22 <buzz-cp> I think I'm back on track

23:22 <MTughan> Unless you want a customized install with your own paths. Not everyone uses packages.

23:22 <PovAddict> it could be a compile-time setting

23:22 <MTughan> I manually sandboxed my BOINC installation back when I was on Fedora 7.

23:22 <PovAddict> I meant hardcoded in the binary

23:22 <buzz-cp> quick q tho: how to I run the command so that it is in the right path (i.e. to put in my ~/.fluxbox/menu file

23:23 <PovAddict> (Apache hardcodes its installation location for example)

23:23 <PovAddict> buzz-cp: cd /var/lib/boinc-client && boincmgr

23:23 <MTughan> buzz-cp: "cd /var/lib/boinc-client && boincmgr" ?

23:23 <MTughan> :P

23:27 <PovAddict> I think I'll post this chat log to the bug

23:27 <buzz-cp> thanks much

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23:44 <Soul_keeper>

23:44 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Alabama Thunder Pussy video (at

23:45 <Soul_keeper> Can definately tell those guys grew up in the 80's :)

23:51 <efc> Oh well, I didn't need that $3000

23:51 <PovAddict> o_o

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