IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-04-13

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00:10 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

00:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 47.3F / 8.5C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy. A chance of showers late. Lows in the lower 40s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Monday - Occasional showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 50s. East winds 15 to 20 (1 more message)

00:10 <CoderForLife> &more

00:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Monday Night - Cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

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00:58 <efc> moo cfl

00:58 <efc> &wx 31088

00:58 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 62F / 16C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. East winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Monday - Occasional showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the (1 more message)

01:01 <efc> &more

01:01 <Romulus> efc: morning...then occasional thunderstorms and showers in the afternoon. Highs around 70. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Monday Night - Occasional thunderstorms and showers in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

01:10 <CoderForLife> moo efc

01:11 <CoderForLife> just updated my WU assimilator Code - I need to next figure out how to process the vector of results that are passed to my app-specific function

01:12 <CoderForLife> back to bed - gn

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02:18 <xionyc> &wx LGA

02:18 <Romulus> xionyc: Temperature: 38F / 3C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Tonight - Clear with diminishing winds. Lows in the lower 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Monday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming (1 more message)

02:18 <xionyc> &more

02:18 <Romulus> xionyc: mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 30s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.;

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04:40 <CoderForLife> re-hi

04:40 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 45.3F / 7.4C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 50s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening...then showers likely after (1 more message)

04:41 <CoderForLife> &more

04:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: midnight. Lows in the upper 40s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tuesday - Showers in the morning...then showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. South winds around 10 mph...becoming southwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 80 percent.;

04:52 <CoderForLife> brb  re-breakfast

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05:14 <CoderForLife> rain slowly coming

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06:10 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 42.5F / 5.8C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Widespread showers in the morning...then numerous showers in the afternoon. High in the mid 40s. North wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of showers near 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Low in (1 more message)

06:10 <wdsmia_> &more

06:10 <Romulus> wdsmia_: the lower 30s. North wind 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Warmer. High in the upper 50s. North wind 10 to 15 mph.;

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06:35 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - cya all laterz

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07:33 <yoyo[RKN]> re

07:33 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

07:34 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 1:20 PM CEST; Clear. High:68 F.; Clear. Low:42 F.; Clear. High:73 F.; Clear. Low:44 F.; Clear. High:71 F.; Clear. Low:50 F.;

07:45 <PovAddict> ditto - blood test done, breakfast eaten, now off to w&@%

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08:59 <wdsmia_w> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090413.html

08:59 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 April 13 - Star Trails over the Canada France Hawaii Telescope (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

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09:19 <CoderForLife> why didn't you warn me about Monday, KathrynM?  =)

09:22 <PovAddict> augh monday

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09:38 <KathrynM> MOnday is over here

09:38 <KathrynM> On a postitive note, I pick up my new computer tomorrow.

09:39 <PovAddict> \o/

09:39 <KathrynM> C2Q

09:39 <KathrynM> 4GB RAM

09:39 <KathrynM> 500GB HD

09:41 <PovAddict> oooo quad

09:41 <KathrynM> pretty good deal too

09:42 <PovAddict> will it have a ssh server and will I have an account on it? :D

09:42 <KathrynM>

09:42 <KathrynM> 1 100 000 South Korean won = 828.3 U.S. dollars

09:42 <KathrynM> I probably won't get Fedora loaded on until the weekend

09:42 <PovAddict> &currency convert 1100000 KRW ARS

09:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1100000.00 krw = 3080.00 ars

09:42 <KathrynM> It'll be nice to have a working space bar agai

09:42 <KathrynM> again

09:43 <PovAddict> pretty good...

09:43 <KathrynM> It has some sort of GTsomethingorother video card

09:43 <KathrynM> 8600 maybe

09:44 <PovAddict> I have an 8600 GT

09:45 <PovAddict> I think it can run GPUGRID but quite slow compared to others

09:45 <KathrynM> I probably won't bother

09:45 <KathrynM> but I might go a bit nuts with compiz

09:45 <PovAddict> \o/

09:46 <KathrynM> :D

09:46 <PovAddict> there are a few effects, like transparency blurring, and water (totally useless one) that ran at 2 frames per second on my GeForce 4 on the other computer

09:46 <KathrynM> gotta feed the feline

09:46 <KathrynM> and then to bed for me

09:46 <KathrynM> &nn

09:46 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

09:47 <PovAddict> on the 8600GT, I sometimes notice transparency blurring makes window dragging *slightly* laggier than without it... barely noticeable

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11:33 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 47.4F / 8.6C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the mid 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Rain. Lows in the mid 40s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tuesday - Rain. Highs around 50. East winds 10 to (1 more message)

11:33 <jackygrahamez> &more

11:33 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: 15 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.;

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14:00 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CEST; Clear. High:68 F.; Clear. Low:42 F.; Clear. High:73 F.; Clear. Low:44 F.; Clear. High:73 F.; Clear. Low:50 F.;

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14:50 * PovAddict survived Monday

15:06 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14838   lol ERTS shipped brass nuckles to game reviewers

15:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/csa8sf> (at www.dailytech.com)

15:06 <Soul_keeper> "oops that's illegal, send them back please"

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15:21 <PovAddict> wtf rain

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15:39 <Tank_Master> Nickuwo!

15:39 <Nickuwo> hey Tank whats up?

15:39 <Tank_Master> not much

15:39 <Nickuwo> right on

15:40 <Tank_Master> got one of my comps sold, now just waiting on parts for another so I can sell it

15:40 <Nickuwo> nice

15:40 <Tank_Master> then ill have enough for finish off my i7 comp :)

15:40 <Nickuwo> i7?

15:40 <Romulus> hmm... i7 is the name fo rhte desktop varent, Nickuwo

15:40 <Tank_Master> intel's latest gen CPU

15:40 <Tank_Master> quad core with hyperthreading

15:40 <Nickuwo> ahh, titties

15:41 <Tank_Master> ill have enough to get 12GB ram and a geforce 285

15:41 <Nickuwo> yowsa

15:41 <Tank_Master> yeah :P

15:41 <Tank_Master> ram is cheep though

15:42 <Tank_Master> 12gb of the low latency for $216

15:42 <Tank_Master> 6x2GB

15:42 <Nickuwo> wtf you gonna do with all that power? boinc server?

15:42 <Tank_Master> boinc, games, future proof

15:43 <Tank_Master> should last me a while yet

15:43 <Tank_Master> that and the 1, 1.5 TB HDs and 2x 300GB raptors...

15:44 <Nickuwo> damn

15:45 <Tank_Master> I already have the HDs, case, mobo, and CPU

15:45 <Tank_Master> just need the ram, vid card and PS

15:45 <Tank_Master> though those last 3 things will cost me about $850

15:47 <Soul_keeper> what no SD's ?

15:48 <Tank_Master> had the HDs from my last comp

15:48 <Tank_Master> n they dont make SSD that are large enough nor cheep enough yet

15:48 <Soul_keeper> get 64GB of memory :)

15:48 <Tank_Master> board can only support 24

15:48 <Soul_keeper> ok get 24  that's almost enough

15:49 <Tank_Master> n I havent found anyone that makes 4GB DDR3 moduals

15:49 <PovAddict> lol I have less than that in free disk space

15:49 <Tank_Master> the laptop im on now only had a 4GB HD

15:49 <Tank_Master> :P

15:49 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master is a champ he can pull it off

15:49 <Tank_Master> 160mb ram to...

15:50 <Soul_keeper> living licariousely is the way to go when on cheap funds :)

15:50 <Tank_Master> :)

15:50 <Tank_Master> im also goiong with an atom comp for my file server

15:51 <Tank_Master> should be nice n quiet

15:51 <Soul_keeper> excellent

15:52 <Tank_Master> found an atom board with dual channle DDR2, 2 PCI and 1 1x PCI-e

15:52 <Tank_Master> just wish it had more SATA connections

15:52 <Soul_keeper> I havn't seen any with 16x pci-e  that would be fun

15:52 <Tank_Master> yeah it would

15:53 <Tank_Master> would expand out the choices

15:53 <Tank_Master> make the atom even more impressive to get

15:53 <Soul_keeper> i'm pretty sure the chipset supports it, just would add cost to the motherboard to run the lanes i suppose

15:53 <Soul_keeper> same situation with the c7 i believe

15:54 <Tank_Master> c7?

15:54 <Soul_keeper> via nano

15:54 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

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16:05 <Soul_keeper> lol flagrant self promotion quit message :)

16:06 <MTughan> He's always had that quit message...

16:08 <Soul_keeper> excellent observation MTughan

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16:19 <Soul_keeper> http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/boinc-current.png

16:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6ymwsn> (at lledgerock.com)

16:19 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, you have one more friend than me, I feel outdone :)

16:20 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

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16:20 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 79.7F / 26.5C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 29.35in / 993.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7.2mph / 11.6km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs 69 to 74 in the western valleys to 74 to 79 near the foothills. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then patchy low clouds and fog. Lows 45 to 53. Light winds.; Tuesday - (1 more message)

16:20 <Soul_keeper> &more

16:20 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Areas of low clouds and fog in the morning then partly cloudy. Highs 65 to 70. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.;

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17:12 <CoderForLife> home again

17:12 <CoderForLife> greetings BOINCsters

17:19 <wdsmia_> re-hi

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17:24 <CoderForLife> welcome home Doug

17:25 <CoderForLife> I just unloaded 15 bags of garden soil from the car - I'm a local hero

17:27 * wdsmia refuses to comment

17:35 * wdsmia sends a storm to soak CoderForLife's garden soil

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17:45 <CoderForLife> wdsmia's storm  http://www.centralmediaserver.com/wkrc/weather/13.jpg

17:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c8p8rl> (at www.centralmediaserver.com)

17:46 <CoderForLife> if it soaks the garden soil, that means there's a hole in the garage roof

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18:22 <CoderForLife> flasherthunderboomers

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18:56 <Tank_Master_> the ultamte flashbang

19:02 <CoderForLife> the worst passed by me to the south

19:03 <CoderForLife> quiet now..

19:03 <CoderForLife> too.. quiet..

19:13 <MTughan> The aliens are coming?

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19:23 <CoderForLife> we try to stop them at the border

19:23 <MTughan> I meant out of world aliens, but fair enough.

19:23 <CoderForLife> oh, did SETI get some results?

19:24 <MTughan> What if we sent some Mexicans to outerspace, then let them fall back down on SETI's antennas?

19:28 <CoderForLife> with or without a vehicle?

19:28 <i3luefire> i cant get boinc to use my nvidia graphics card in linux

19:28 <MTughan> i3luefire: Is it recognized by BOINC?

19:29 <i3luefire> i dont think so

19:29 <MTughan> What graphics drivers are you using?

19:30 <i3luefire> nvidia's 180 driver set

19:30 <MTughan> What project are you attached to and what's your user name?

19:30 <PovAddict> glxinfo | grep renderer

19:31 <i3luefire> im in seti@home user name i3luefire

19:31 <MTughan> I can't find an i3luefire in SETI. Closest would be i3luemrld.

19:32 <i3luefire> hmm

19:32 <i3luefire> how would i find my user name in the boinc program

19:33 <MTughan> In the Projects tab, under the Account column.

19:33 <i3luefire> oh

19:34 <i3luefire> casey hancock

19:34 <MTughan> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4873368 would be your computer that you have the GPU in?

19:34 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c4etqg> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

19:37 <i3luefire> yes

19:37 <MTughan> Can you run the command PovAddict posted? "glxinfo | grep renderer"

19:38 <i3luefire> where would i enter that command

19:38 <MTughan> BOINC definitely isn't reporting the GPU to SETI in that computer, so you're right that it's not picking it up.

19:38 <MTughan> In a command line window.

19:38 <PovAddict> you're in trouble if you're on Linux and you don't know about the console ;)

19:39 <i3luefire> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2

19:39 <i3luefire> lol

19:39 <MTughan> PovAddict: And that's a problem for most people...

19:39 <PovAddict> that's older than mine

19:39 <PovAddict> you can't run CUDA apps on it

19:40 <MTughan> PovAddict: Nvidia lists the 8400GS as being able to run CUDA...

19:40 <MTughan> i3luefire: How much VRAM does it have?

19:40 <i3luefire> 512mb

19:41 <MTughan> 256MB is the minimum listed by Nvidia, so it should be enough...

19:41 <i3luefire> i know a little about terminal i just didnt know if that was a terminal command or something for boinc

19:42 <i3luefire> i dont know much tho

19:42 <i3luefire> i have only been using linux for about 4 months

19:42 <MTughan> No, BOINC doesn't have a command window. The closest might be the boinc_cmd command line control, but it seems that you're using the graphical manager anyway.

19:42 <i3luefire> yes

19:42 <PovAddict> "Geforce 8 Series are based on CUDA1.0 and Seti doesn't support CUDA 1.0"

19:43 <i3luefire> oh

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19:43 <i3luefire> well that sux

19:43 <MTughan> PovAddict: Go poke DA about http://boinc.berkeley.edu/cuda.php then. It only says if the GPU is listed there, it's compatible.

19:43 <Romulus> Title: Use your NVIDIA GPU for scientific computing (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

19:44 <PovAddict> if I actually cared about cuda users >:)

19:44 <i3luefire> lol

19:46 <i3luefire> well...

19:47 <PovAddict> contribute with your CPU like everybody else

19:47 <i3luefire> i am

19:47 <i3luefire> just wanted to do more

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19:48 <MTughan> PovAddict: Where did you get that quote anyway?

19:48 <PovAddict> google -> seti forums

19:48 <i3luefire> is seti the only project that uses cuda ?

19:49 <MTughan> PovAddict: And take a look at the very next post: "Seti does support CUDA 1.0"

19:49 <PovAddict> gpugrid was first

19:49 <i3luefire> well what do they do?

19:50 <i3luefire> besides give me a reason to own a gpu

19:50 <MTughan> Protein folding IIRC.

19:50 <MTughan> But the server's down right now.

19:51 <MTughan> They lost power over the weekend, say they may not get it back until tomorrow.

19:52 <i3luefire> hmm

19:52 <MTughan> Hmm, got something for you to try...

19:52 <MTughan> Try detaching and reattaching to SETI. Someone said that worked for them.

19:53 <i3luefire> ok

20:00 <i3luefire> nope. but when i scroll to the top of my messages in boinc it says | Sun 12 Apr 2009 07:28:30 PM CDT||Can't load library libcudart

20:00 <MTughan> Hmm, that'd be a problem. :P

20:00 <PovAddict> you have to install cuda drivers separately afaik

20:00 <i3luefire> oh

20:00 <i3luefire> from where

20:01 <MTughan> Give me a minute... I want to see if it's included with BOINC.

20:01 <i3luefire> ok

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20:03 <i3luefire> afaik?

20:03 <MTughan> As far as I know.

20:03 <i3luefire> whats that PovAddict

20:03 <i3luefire> ah

20:03 <KathrynM> it figures..  the same day it's chilly in the morning is the same day my water heater goes on the fritz

20:03 <MTughan> Yep, libcudart is included with BOINC...

20:04 <i3luefire> hmm. well then why would it be unable to load it?

20:04 <MTughan> Not sure.

20:04 <MTughan> You installed this from a package?

20:05 <i3luefire> i got it from synaptic. then i updated it from a package from boinc

20:06 <i3luefire> maybe i f*d it up

20:06 <MTughan> What do you mean, you updated it? You replaced the binaries with ones from Berkeley?

20:06 <MTughan> If so, make sure you copied over libcudart.so too, should be in the same folder.

20:07 <i3luefire> hmm.

20:07 <i3luefire> let me see

20:08 <MTughan> PovAddict: How do you see dynamic libraries for an application in Linux?

20:08 <MTughan> I always forget... Get it confused with otool -L for OS X.

20:08 <PovAddict> ldd

20:08 <PovAddict> but

20:08 <PovAddict> boinc links to it at runtime (otherwise it wouldn't even start)

20:08 <PovAddict> cudart won't show in ldd

20:09 <MTughan> I was actually curious about libcudart.so itself. file said it was dynamically linked.

20:09 <PovAddict> dynamically linked to libc.so?

20:10 <MTughan> And others.

20:10 <MTughan> The only two that look someone un-normal are libdl and librt.

20:10 <MTughan> libpthread, libstdc++, libm, libgcc, libc, and ld-linx-x86-64 are all there.

20:10 <MTughan> ld-linux*

20:10 <PovAddict> dl = dynamic link

20:11 <MTughan> i3luefire: Was the file copied?

20:11 <i3luefire> i cant find where it installed to

20:11 <i3luefire> lol

20:11 <MTughan> Try "locate boinc"

20:12 <PovAddict> librt.so comes from libc6 package

20:17 <i3luefire> i see multiple paths

20:17 <i3luefire> the one that has libcudart.so is on my desktop tho

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20:17 <MTughan> You're running BOINC from the menu launcher?

20:18 <i3luefire> yes

20:18 <MTughan> What distro is it?

20:19 <i3luefire> ubuntu

20:19 <MTughan> Try /var/lib/boinc-client or something.

20:20 <MTughan> How did you upgrade BOINC before without knowing where it was installed?

20:20 <i3luefire> yea i see that but no libraries

20:21 <i3luefire> idk

20:21 <i3luefire> oh well i have to go

20:21 <i3luefire> ill be back later

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20:21 <MTughan> All right.

20:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: Know what repo BOINC is in on Ubuntu?

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20:26 <MTughan> Nvm, found it... Stupid case issues.

20:26 <MTughan> "boinc" != "BOINC"

20:30 <MTughan> Also, whose idea was it to have a package for SETI@Home's BOINC app? That'll just confuse users, thinking that SETI is the only project supported on their computer.

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20:32 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, maybe they should have a package for "irc-#boinc" so you could explain it to the users :)

20:33 <MTughan> :P

20:33 <MTughan> Or, as the BOFH would say, lusers.

20:34 <Soul_keeper> !dict BOFH

20:35 <Soul_keeper> &dict BOFH

20:35 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: jargon and foldoc responded: foldoc: BOFH {Bastard Operator From Hell}; jargon: BOFH // n. [common] Acronym, Bastard Operator From Hell. A system administrator with absolutely no tolerance for {luser}s. "You say you need more filespace? <massive-global-delete> Seems to me you have plenty left..." Many BOFHs (and others who would be BOFHs if they could get away with it) hang out (2 more messages)

20:35 <Soul_keeper> ok

20:35 <MTughan> Are you a BOFH?

20:35 <Soul_keeper> I guess

20:36 <Soul_keeper> &more

20:36 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: in the newsgroup alt.sysadmin.recovery, although there has also been created a top-level newsgroup hierarchy (bofh.*) of their own. Several people have written stories about BOFHs. The set usually considered canonical is by Simon Travaglia and may be found at the Bastard Home Page (http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard.html). BOFHs and BOFH wannabes hang out on {scary devil monastery} and wield (1 more message)

20:36 <Soul_keeper> &more

20:36 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: {LART}s

20:36 <Soul_keeper> &dict LART

20:36 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: jargon and foldoc responded: foldoc: LART {Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool}; jargon: LART // Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool. 1. n. In the collective mythos of {scary devil monastery}, this is an essential item in the toolkit of every {BOFH}. The LART classic is a 2x4 or other large billet of wood usable as a club, to be applied upside the head of spammers and other people (2 more messages)

20:37 <Soul_keeper> &more

20:37 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: who cause sysadmins more grief than just naturally goes with the job. Perennial debates rage on alt.sysadmin.recovery over what constitutes the truly effective LART; knobkerries, semiautomatic weapons, flamethrowers, and tactical nukes all have their partisans. Compare {clue-by-four}. 2. v. To use a LART. Some would add "in malice", but some sysadmins do prefer to gently lart their (1 more message)

20:38 <Soul_keeper> &more

20:38 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: users as a first (and sometimes final) warning. 3. interj. Calling for one's LART, much as a surgeon might call "Scalpel!". 4. interj. [rare] Used in {flame}s as a rebuke. "LART! LART! LART!"

20:38 <PovAddict> MTughan: the SETI app package is for Debian

20:38 <PovAddict> Debian supports more platforms than SETI officially does

20:39 <MTughan> It looks like it's showing in Kubuntu's repos.

20:39 <Soul_keeper> there are many "seti boinc" packages floating around the internet, for more than debian

20:39 <PovAddict> Ubuntu copies almost all packages from Debian

20:39 <PovAddict> debian [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc]

20:40 <MTughan> Well, Ubuntu's repos only include 6.2.15, which explains why libcudart wasn't included.

20:40 <PovAddict> oh

20:40 <PovAddict> even if it was included, it wouldn't work with cuda .P

20:40 <PovAddict> :P

20:40 <PovAddict> client won't *use* the library

20:40 <MTughan> Bingo.

20:41 <MTughan> Somehow, he replaced the binaries on his own, but I don't know how he did it without knowing the path.

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20:51 <CoderForLife> gn boinclanders =)

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21:53 <Soul_keeper> ok so I let the spam messages on my cell phone fill up the phone's memory   "no space left: message waiting"  now shows.  does this mean the bastards will get an error when trying to message me now ?

21:55 <PovAddict> no, I think they'll silently queue on the telephone company

22:03 <Soul_keeper> then i'll let that fill up too

22:03 <Soul_keeper> it's the phone company's problem now

22:07 <Soul_keeper> spam will win against technology upgrades, so that will eventually fill up to, and they'll be forced to implement an anti-spam policy

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22:26 <i3luefire> im back

22:27 <MTughan> Hey.

22:29 <MTughan> I installed BOINC under a virtual machine running Kubuntu, and it installed the binaries in /usr/bin. Are there some there?

22:29 <MTughan> You should see boinc, boincmgr, and boinccmd.

22:30 <i3luefire> yea

22:30 <MTughan> Are those the ones you overwrote?

22:30 <PovAddict> never overwrite a file installed through apt

22:31 <i3luefire> i just ran the boinc_6.4.5_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh file that i downloaded from http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.4.5_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh

22:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d6eac7> (at boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu)

22:32 <MTughan> From where?

22:32 <MTughan> That should've created a folder called BOINC in the working directory.

22:32 <i3luefire> it did

22:32 <i3luefire> on my desktop

22:32 <MTughan> What did you do after that?

22:33 <i3luefire> ran bininstall.sh

22:34 <MTughan> Which creates the files run_client and run_manager. The script should've already run those as well.

22:37 <i3luefire> yea i mean if i go and check my version in the manager under help>about boinc manager it says 6.4.5

22:38 <MTughan> How are you running the manager?

22:38 <Tank_Master> with a caddle prod on its @$$

22:39 <Soul_keeper> excellent work Tank_Master

22:39 <Tank_Master> thx

22:40 <i3luefire> sometimes i go to apps and then system tools then select it other times i run the run manager file from the boinc folder on my desktop

22:40 <MTughan> So you're running GNOME?

22:40 <i3luefire> both ways it gives me the same version #

22:40 <i3luefire> yes

22:41 <i3luefire> gnome

22:41 <MTughan> Gives you the same version number both times? Shouldn't.

22:41 <Soul_keeper> for some reason this sounded like what I wanted to run:   "Prefer this type of model Requires 1.5GB RAM minimum"

22:41 <i3luefire> Soul_keeper: ?

22:41 <Romulus> hmm... Soul_keeper: is it you or TM who offered me a QX6700 before, i3luefire

22:41 <MTughan> The one from the menubar should give 6.2.15 if nothing in there's been modified.

22:42 <Tank_Master> o0

22:42 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper was looking for a *heavy* project to run on his high-RAM system

22:42 <i3luefire> it gives 6.4.5

22:43 <Tank_Master> Ill have 12GB ram soon

22:43 <Soul_keeper> awesome

22:43 <i3luefire> wow. i only have 4GB

22:43 <Tank_Master> think any project can use that with runing 8 tasks?

22:43 <PovAddict> I only have 2GB!

22:43 <MTughan> 8GB. :)

22:43 <PovAddict> show off y'all

22:44 <Soul_keeper> 2GB here too, but I'll own 8GB when i rob someone

22:44 <MTughan> i3luefire: Can you run an MD5 on /usr/bin/boinc and paste it here?

22:44 <i3luefire> Tank_Master: how much u have now?

22:44 <Tank_Master> going from this P3 lappy with 160MB to an i7 with 12GB ram...

22:44 <i3luefire> sure MTughan just a sec

22:44 <Tank_Master> my best comp when  get it working has 4GB

22:45 <Tank_Master> but im selling that to buy the i7

22:45 <MTughan> Just downloading the GNOME environment now so I can test what it looks like. I got Kubuntu to test KDE 4.2, but GNOME will be preferable here.

22:46 <i3luefire> 14cdb9833e72f67b945fee8f13ed6822  boinc

22:47 <MTughan> Yeah, that's the 6.4.5 BOINC... Uninstall the boinc package and reinstall it, something got overwritten.

22:47 <PovAddict> wait

22:47 <PovAddict> sudo aptitude reinstall boinc-client

22:48 <MTughan> Something about apt I don't know about?

22:48 <PovAddict> ^ that'll reinstall

22:48 <MTughan> Ah.

22:50 <i3luefire> its unable to lock the admin dir. how do i kill the app so it can

22:50 <PovAddict> close any synaptic/aptitude/adept you have open

22:51 <i3luefire> lol i didnt see my other synaptic

22:51 <i3luefire> ok. done

22:51 <MTughan> Reinstalled?

22:52 <i3luefire> of course i have the 6.2.18-3ubuntu1 ver

22:52 <MTughan> Well, just don't overwrite it.

22:52 <i3luefire> i didnt the last time

22:52 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master, you'd have to try extra hard to use all 12GB  I barely can use all my 2GB running 4 of the most demanding apps i've found + 1 cuda, even then it's not really maxing the system out enough to make it unusable

22:53 <MTughan> What I propose to do is install the 6.4.5 binaries in another folder, but still use the same data directory and just redirect the menu items at the end.

22:53 <i3luefire> ok...

22:53 <Tank_Master> ive gotten over 4GB with 4 tasks with virtual prary

22:54 <MTughan> i3luefire: So you said your BOINC folder was on the Desktop?

22:54 <Soul_keeper> I use linux tho, so that could factor into things :)

22:55 <i3luefire> i checked the version in the manager & it still say 6.4.5

22:55 <i3luefire> yes the desktop

22:56 <i3luefire> but i only reinstalled the client so i guess that the manager would still be the 6.4.5

22:56 <MTughan> Probably.

22:56 <MTughan> All right. Open a command line window, and cd to the Desktop.

22:57 <MTughan> Then use "sudo cp -r BOINC /usr/local/bin/boinc" to copy the contents of the BOINC folder to /usr/local/bin/boinc.

22:57 * Tank_Master wispers "upgrade to windows and you wont have these problems"

22:57 <i3luefire> k

22:58 * Tank_Master sneaks off his soap box and goes into hiding

22:58 <MTughan> Then the next part I can't help with directly. You'll have to modify the menu items to use that boincmgr.

22:58 <Soul_keeper> recommending windows is a bad idea imo ...

22:59 <MTughan> Right click on the menu bar and select "Edit Menus".

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22:59 <Tank_Master> better than recommending a mac

22:59 <MTughan> Select System Tools in the left list, then right-click BOINC Manager and select Properties.

23:00 <MTughan> Change the command to "cd /var/lib/boinc-client && /usr/local/bin/boinc/boincmgr"

23:00 <i3luefire> there isnt a properties

23:00 <MTughan> Right click doesn't have a Properties item?

23:00 <i3luefire> no

23:00 <MTughan> Try double-clicking it.

23:01 <i3luefire> just opens the app

23:02 <MTughan> Are you in the menu itself or the menu editor?

23:02 <i3luefire> oh

23:02 <i3luefire> hold

23:02 <MTughan> :)

23:04 <i3luefire> ok done

23:04 <MTughan> And you should be set. :D

23:04 <MTughan> Try starting it up, see if the messages tab says you have a coprocessor.

23:05 <i3luefire> error could not launch boinc manager

23:05 <i3luefire> Failed to execute child process "cd" (No such file or directory)

23:05 <PovAddict> lol

23:06 <MTughan> Lemme guess, a bash command?

23:06 <PovAddict> yes, it's the only way cd can work, being a shell builtin

23:06 * Soul_keeper hands MTughan a LART :)

23:07 <i3luefire> idk.

23:07 <MTughan> i3luefire: Try this:

23:07 <MTughan> sudo rm /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager

23:08 <i3luefire> remove it

23:08 <i3luefire> ?

23:08 <MTughan> sudo echo "cd /var/lib/boinc-client && /usr/local/bin/boinc/boincmgr" > /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager

23:08 <MTughan> And then rewrite it.

23:09 <MTughan> Then change the menu item to "/usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager"

23:09 <MTughan> Actually, you'll have to make it executable first...

23:09 <MTughan> sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager

23:09 <i3luefire> bash: /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager: Permission denied

23:09 <MTughan> Sorry, I know it's a lot of commands. :P

23:10 <MTughan> Yep, run the last command, "sudo chmod +x ..." first.

23:10 <i3luefire> chmod: cannot access `/usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager': No such file or directory

23:11 <MTughan> You ran "sudo echo "cd /var/lib/boinc-client && /usr/local/bin/boinc/boincmgr" > /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager" ?

23:11 <i3luefire> yes

23:12 <i3luefire> bash: /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager: Permission denied

23:13 <MTughan> Gah, I don't know what happened... The other command should've created it.

23:13 <MTughan> Does /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager exist?

23:14 <i3luefire> nope.

23:14 <PovAddict> you can't write like that

23:15 <PovAddict> "sudo echo foo > bar" will run echo as root, but the redirection will be done by the local bash, as the current user

23:15 <PovAddict> trick: echo foo | sudo tee bar

23:15 <MTughan> Explains why I just got a permission denied trying to do it here... Gah.

23:15 <i3luefire> /usr/local/bin/boinc/bionc/run_manager does tho

23:16 <PovAddict> or just run a text editor as root

23:16 <MTughan> echo "cd /var/lib/boinc-client && /usr/local/bin/boinc/boincmgr" | sudo tee /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager

23:16 <Soul_keeper> why are you even using sudo :/  ...

23:16 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Because /usr/local is root owned.

23:16 <Soul_keeper> why not just open a root console and be a man ?

23:17 <Soul_keeper> sudo  is like calling and asking your parents for permission to watch your own tv

23:17 <MTughan> Because Ubuntu never really meant you to drop into a root shell. It's possible, but you're supposed to do everything through sudo.

23:18 <MTughan> And to drop into it, you can't use su. You have to use sudo -s.

23:18 <i3luefire> now what

23:18 <Soul_keeper> lol. that explains it,  i'll scurry away now.

23:18 <MTughan> i3luefire: The file exists?

23:18 <i3luefire> yes

23:18 <MTughan> sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager

23:19 <MTughan> And then try running it from the menu.

23:19 <i3luefire> k

23:19 <i3luefire> same as b4

23:20 <MTughan> Just out of curiosity... Where is boincmgr in /usr/local/bin/boinc/? boincmgr, or boinc/boincmgr?

23:20 <Soul_keeper> it's ok to completely change the ownership of all the boinc files to the user that'll be running them    chown -R whoever.users /usr/local/bin/boinc/   for example

23:21 <i3luefire> both

23:21 <Soul_keeper> suda "which boincmgr"

23:22 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: That'll return /usr/bin/boincmgr, not what we want.

23:22 <Soul_keeper> it'll see the old one, if you recently added a new one

23:22 <MTughan> And /usr/local/bin/boinc isn't in the PATH.

23:22 <i3luefire> it also shows it there now

23:23 <Soul_keeper> ok, but even if it is in the path, but was recently somewhere else it'll still see the old one.  just an observation

23:23 <MTughan> i3luefire: Can you do "ls -Rl" and pastebin the result?

23:23 <MTughan> http://pastebin.com

23:24 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

23:25 <MTughan> Man, I can just imagine a script newbie, even less knowledgeable than i3luefire, thinking "what the heck is going on"....

23:26 <i3luefire> http://pastebin.com/m6785d4ba

23:26 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

23:26 <MTughan> Heck, I'm still learning/remembering stuff from day to day.

23:27 <MTughan> Is that from your home or /usr/local/bin/boinc?

23:27 <i3luefire> sh*t home

23:27 <i3luefire> hold on

23:27 <MTughan> Heh.

23:28 <MTughan> I forgot to put it in, thought you'd notice. Oh well.

23:30 <Soul_keeper> i'm a fan of doing things "the hard way"  always seems easier to me in the long run

23:30 <Soul_keeper> :)

23:31 <i3luefire> http://pastebin.com/m3701b128

23:31 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

23:32 <i3luefire> i want to learn how to do stuff the hard way too sometimes but i dont know if i have the patience

23:32 <MTughan> Well, somehow the BOINC directory either got copied in again, or duplicated.

23:32 <MTughan> No matter, should still work.

23:32 <i3luefire> yea

23:33 <MTughan> Running from the menu item says permission denied?

23:33 <i3luefire> Failed to execute child process "cd" (No such file or directory)

23:35 <i3luefire> thats exactly what it says

23:36 <MTughan> Let's try adding something...

23:36 <i3luefire> k

23:36 <MTughan> "sudo nano /usr/local/bin/boinc/run_manager" should open up a nano editor window with run_manager.

23:36 <MTughan> Move the existing line down one, and in the first line type "#!/bin/bash"

23:39 <i3luefire> ok

23:39 <MTughan> Save it with Ctrl+O, and try the menu item again.

23:40 <i3luefire> same

23:40 <MTughan> Ah, to hell with it...

23:41 <MTughan> Can you copy the directory contents into /var/lib/boinc-client?

23:41 <Soul_keeper> why isn't he just running boinc from the dir in his home directory ?

23:41 <i3luefire> that doesnt work either

23:41 <MTughan> He could do that, but my preference would be to have it stuck away in a system folder.

23:42 <MTughan> i3luefire: You'll have to change the menu item to execute /var/lib/boinc-client/boincmgr.

23:43 <i3luefire> ok. why the /var/... not the one we just made?

23:43 <MTughan> The problem is that boinc uses the files in /var/lib/boinc-client for its data, and boincmgr uses a file in there for the password to connect to boinc.

23:44 <MTughan> They both look in the current working directory for those files.

23:44 <MTughan> Ubuntu attempts to separate them out, but it usually causes more harm than good.

23:46 <i3luefire> /var/lib/boinc-client/boincmgr doesnt exist

23:46 <MTughan> Did you copy the folder or the contents of the folder into /var/lib/boinc-client?

23:47 <i3luefire> no

23:47 <i3luefire> contents of which folder

23:47 <MTughan> All right, let's see if we can start over...

23:47 <MTughan> You still have the BOINC folder on your desktop?

23:47 <i3luefire> yes

23:48 <MTughan> Remove /usr/local/bin/boinc.

23:48 <MTughan> "sudo rm -rf /usr/local/bin/boinc" should do the trick.

23:48 <MTughan> Just be careful when typing that out... You can trash your system.

23:49 <PovAddict> ooo that would be fun

23:49 <MTughan> PovAddict: No.

23:49 <i3luefire> k

23:49 <MTughan> Bad enough when I deleted my kernel... At least I didn't trash the whole filesytem.

23:50 <i3luefire> brb. gotta walk the dog

23:50 <MTughan> i3luefire: Then "sudo cp -r ~/Desktop/BOINC/* /var/lib/boinc-client"

23:50 <MTughan> Heh.

23:50 <PovAddict> my suggestion... install from package and leave it alone, *or* install newer version from berkeley

23:51 <MTughan> PovAddict: Basically, I'm copying the binaries into the data directory, so it looks like Berkeley's package, just in /var/lib.

23:51 <PovAddict> that frankenstein youre doing looks error prone

23:51 <i3luefire> ill just b a minute or two

23:51 <MTughan> There's a reason I removed the frankenstein in /usr/local/bin/boinc... Because I was starting to agree with you.

23:53 <PovAddict> I have synecdoche running all by itself on ~/local/synecdoche, and will keep it that way (out of /var, /etc, /usr...) until

23:53 <PovAddict> I have synecdoche running all by itself on ~/local/synecdoche, and will keep it that way (out of /var, /etc, /usr...) until I actually make an Ubuntu package installing it systemwide

23:55 <i3luefire> im back

23:56 <MTughan> So we have two options now: copy the BOINC binaries to /var/lib/boinc-client, or use the BOINC folder you currently have on your desktop to run BOINC. Any preference?

23:56 <i3luefire> no preference

23:57 <MTughan> Well, give me one last try to get it out of the way of your home folder, and if it doesn't work, we'll go for the desktop. Sound good?

23:57 <i3luefire> sure

23:58 <MTughan> cd to the BOINC folder on your desktop.

23:58 <MTughan> sudo cp -r * /var/lib/boinc-client

23:58 <MTughan> Then change the menu item (if it hasn't been changed already) to execute /var/lib/boinc-client/boincmgr.

23:59 <MTughan> Tell me if that works.

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