00:02 <PovAddict> having an ipod touch doesnt help... (I just got into bed!)
00:02 <MTughan> It's even worse than a laptop in some ways.
00:02 <PovAddict> although it's generally useful... I even use it as a time machine
00:03 <MTughan> ?
00:03 <PovAddict> while in the train, I write notes on it, and time accelerates
00:03 <MTughan> Ah... :)
00:04 <PovAddict> I have several paragraphs explaining problems with the current boinc scrrensaver graphics and related ideas
00:06 <PovAddict> with *better* security than now (although I have yet to see how easy the Windows security is, and whether the Linux security would slow down the gfx code)
00:06 <PovAddict> needs testing in the real world
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01:59 <jasong> Is it possible to prioritize internet packets by port number?
02:00 <jasong> My dad constantly complains about me using up bandwidth, so I want to send my torrent program to the end of the queue. That way I can tell it to take all that's offered it without anyone complaining
02:01 <jasong> Getting more bandwidth by taking a lower ranking, ironic, huh?
02:01 <jasong> There's a Christian witnessing opportunity hidden in there somewhere, I think
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02:40 <zombie67> I know ISPs can packet-prioritize
02:40 <zombie67> can and do
02:40 <zombie67> not sure about routers
02:41 <efc> Yes, I think it is, you might look up QUality of Service
02:41 <efc> see if your router supports
02:47 <efc> &wx 31088
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03:02 <zombie67> &more
03:02 <Romulus> zombie67: Lows in the lower 40s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.;
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03:37 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 52.7°F / 11.5°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.29in / 991.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 3.4mph / 5.5km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain. Lows 41 to 50. Winds southwest 15 to 20 mph. Gusts to 35 mph...becoming 30 mph overnight. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 percent.; Wednesday - Patchy fog in (2 more messages)
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04:37 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany
04:37 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 61Â°F / 16Â°C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 10:20 AM CEST; Clear. High:69 ° F.; Clear. Low:48 ° F.; Partly Cloudy. High:69 ° F.; Rain. Low:44 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 ° F.;
04:46 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
04:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 42.4°F / 5.8°C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 1.7mph / 2.7km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Scattered showers this morning...then isolated showers this afternoon. Highs in the lower 50s. Northwest winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly (1 more message)
04:46 <CoderForLife> &more
04:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: cloudy. Lows around 40. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. East winds 5 to 10 mph.;
04:49 <ELGono> moo don
04:49 <CoderForLife> moo ELGono
04:50 * CoderForLife studies the output of SQLite EXPLAIN and EXPLAIN QUERY PLAN
04:52 * CoderForLife then studies the possibilities for breakfast
04:52 <CoderForLife> brb
04:58 <CoderForLife> b
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05:07 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123
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05:08 <Tank_Master> &more
05:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: sunny. Highs around 55. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 35 to 40. South wind 5 to 10 mph.;
05:24 <Tank_Master> gn ye all
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05:39 <KathrynM> yay! got 64 bit flash working
05:39 <CoderForLife> congrats
05:39 <KathrynM> turns out I was trying to use 32 bit flash in 64 bit firefox
05:39 <CoderForLife> I *hate* it when that happens
05:39 <KathrynM> I gotta move my scripts over as well as my crontab
05:40 <CoderForLife> those are important
05:40 <KathrynM> this weekend I'll have to get the dev stuff for BOINC installed
05:40 <CoderForLife> go back - it's a trap
05:41 <CoderForLife> save yourself
05:42 * CoderForLife struggles with SQL performance under SQLite
05:43 <CoderForLife> well - enough of this - time to get ready for w@#%
05:43 * CoderForLife goes from the frying pan into the fire
05:44 <CoderForLife> bbiab
05:46 <Soul_keeper> HEY CoderForLife KathrynM !!!
05:46 <KathrynM> hiya
05:46 <Soul_keeper> :)
06:00 <XioNYC> &wx LGA
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06:00 <XioNYC> &more
06:00 <Romulus> XioNYC: chance of rain in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Breezy with lows around 40. Northeast winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Thursday - Sunny and breezy. Highs in the upper 50s. Northeast winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;
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06:14 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 36.0°F / 2.2°C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the mid 60s. East wind near 10 mph shifting to the southeast in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. High in the upper 60s. (1 more message)
06:14 <wdsmia> &more
06:14 <Romulus> wdsmia: Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph.;
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06:32 <CoderForLife> out the door - laterz
06:33 <Soul_keeper> good luck
06:33 <CoderForLife> thx - I'll need it
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11:13 <Tank_Master> woot, my atom parts will be here friday :)
11:48 <Soul_keeper> cool
12:31 <Tank_Master> wonder if you can overclock an atom
12:37 <Soul_keeper> maybe
12:37 <Soul_keeper> you could oc the C7 ... should be able to oc the atom
12:38 <Tank_Master> wonder what liquid nitrogen could do... :P
12:38 <PovAdct_w> kill you
12:38 <Tank_Master> no, it wouldnt kill, the could would
12:38 <Soul_keeper> the atom sucks
12:38 <PovAdct_w> liquid nitrogen expands a *lot* when turning back into gas
12:38 <Soul_keeper> it's inferior to everything
12:39 <Tank_Master> no it aint
12:39 <Tank_Master> beats the performance of the P3s
12:39 <Soul_keeper> my athlon xp 2000+ is faster and it's like 6yrs old
12:39 <PovAdct_w> ie. a small amount of liquid nitrogen expands intoto a lot of nitrogen gas, and it *displaces oxygen*
12:39 <Tank_Master> and the amd geod
12:39 <Soul_keeper> amd geod was in a 100 dollar laptop and is now discontinued ... what do you expect
12:40 <Tank_Master> the aton isnt ment to be an i7 replacement
12:40 <PovAdct_w> your body is prepared to ignore high amounts of nitrogen so you won't even notice, you'll just pass out
12:40 <Tank_Master> its ment to get the job done with as litle power as possible
12:40 <Soul_keeper> no the atom was meant to be inferior to everything
12:40 <Soul_keeper> an underclocked c2d is more efficient
12:40 <Tank_Master> its outperforms my P4 3.0
12:41 <Soul_keeper> I doubt that Tank_Master
12:41 <Tank_Master> and the c2d would consume a lot more power
12:41 <PovAdct_w> "As liquid nitrogen evaporates it will reduce the oxygen concentration in the air and might act as an asphyxiant, especially in confined spaces. Nitrogen is odourless, colourless and tasteless, and may produce asphyxia without any sensation or prior warning"
12:41 <Soul_keeper> no
12:41 <Tank_Master> my P4 3.0 gets 650 RAC, the atom dual core gets closer to 800
12:41 <Soul_keeper> the P4 kills it in benchmarks, and an underclocked/undervolted c2d wins
12:42 <Tank_Master> theres no was a c2d can consume 4w
12:42 <Soul_keeper> is that 800 counting a gpu ?
12:42 <Tank_Master> no, on its own
12:42 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master, you must consider the chipset being used as well
12:43 <Tank_Master> a compleate atom system, hd, dvd, mobo, ram, cpu, chipset... consumes on average 25w
12:43 <Soul_keeper> c2d wins trust me, you can volt them down to 1v and keep a competitive clock speed, and it'll smash the atom
12:43 <Tank_Master> at full load
12:43 <Tank_Master> 1v? thats a lot comparied to an atom
12:43 <Soul_keeper> my OVERCLOCKED c2d system consume 60w
12:44 <Tank_Master> no gpu?
12:44 <Tank_Master> no HD?
12:44 <Soul_keeper> integrated intel graphics
12:44 <Soul_keeper> hd yes
12:44 <Tank_Master> so same as the atom
12:44 <Soul_keeper> 1.55v @ 3GHz
12:44 <Tank_Master> what chipset?
12:45 <Tank_Master> the atom uses the g45
12:45 <Soul_keeper> 945G
12:45 <Tank_Master> so the same
12:45 <Tank_Master> (couldnt remember exactly right off the name)
12:45 <Tank_Master> and 60w is way more than 25w
12:46 <Soul_keeper> that's a 40% overclock, and twice the lowest number in the voltage range for the intel spec on the c2d
12:47 <Tank_Master> how much dose the compleate system cost?
12:48 <Tank_Master> my atom costed me under $200 for everything, case, ps, hd, dvd, ram, mobo/cpu
12:48 <Soul_keeper> my c2d cost under 200 as well :)
12:48 <Tank_Master> all new parts?
12:49 <Soul_keeper> built 2 of them for 400 bucks over 2yrs ago
12:50 <Soul_keeper> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069-11.html not exactely perfect for a matchup but you get an idea, i'd have to read more to see his exact voltages and such
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12:55 <Soul_keeper> looks like they didn't even underclock the c2d in that review, left it at 2.53GHz
12:58 <Soul_keeper> the atom might be fun to play with tho, i'm assuming you got the HT one, so you might get better comparisons
13:01 <Tank_Master> c2d 7400 - $120, mobo - $35, 2x512 mem - $14, HD - $40, DVD - $20, -- thats already over $200, still need a case n PS
13:01 <Tank_Master> all atoms have HT
13:02 <Tank_Master> and I did get the dual core, whereas that atticle only has a single core
13:02 <Soul_keeper> the original ones were single thread capable no HT as far as I know (which that one was)
13:03 <Soul_keeper> yeah they don't sell the cheaper c2d's anymore, but they used to sell them in combo deals at fry's and the motherboard would basically be free
13:04 <Soul_keeper> so yeah you got a good deal I guess ...
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13:07 <Tank_Master> it costed me $206 for all the parts for my atom
13:07 <Soul_keeper> not bad
13:07 <Tank_Master> I bought 2 for $275 (with shipping) though one im reusing my case, PS and HD
13:08 <Tank_Master> oh, and I already had a stick of 2GB ram as well
13:08 <Soul_keeper> well that's cheating then :)
13:08 <Tank_Master> I did, however, find a mobo with dual channle DDR2
13:08 <Tank_Master> for the atom
13:08 <Tank_Master> and it has 2 PCI and 1 1x PCI-e
13:09 <Soul_keeper> we'll compare benchmarks to my 2000+ and 800MHz Eeepc when you get it hooked up
13:09 <Tank_Master> ok :)
13:09 <Tank_Master> should be interesting
13:09 <Tank_Master> I asicly got it as a file server n backup PC
13:10 <Tank_Master> though ill run BOINC on it to
13:10 <Tank_Master> 4 GB should be nice for win7
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14:27 <MTughan> Tank_Master: My roommate wants 8GB. xD
14:28 <MTughan> He's possibly looking at a new machine over the summer, not sure yet.
14:28 <MTughan> Essentially, his parents want to replace the P4 that is, as I understand it, 6-7 years old.
14:28 <MTughan> So either they get a new computer, or they get my roommate's laptop and he gets a new machine.
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15:25 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Wow, you got a big jump yesterday...
15:25 <Soul_keeper> :)
15:26 <MTughan> Heh, all your GPUGRID WUs coming in... Nice. :)
15:26 <MTughan> I've only been getting ~3500/day since moving to all WCG. Hopefully MW GPU comes up soon...
15:26 <MTughan> Apparently, the project is ready to go, they just need to get Apache to point to the right directory.
15:27 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
15:27 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 57Â°F / 14Â°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 9:20 PM CEST; Clear. High:71 ° F.; Clear. Low:48 ° F.; Clear. High:73 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:59 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 ° F.;
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15:35 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Want me to remake GMP-ECM with version 4.3.0?
15:35 <yoyo[RKN]> have doubts that it is faster
15:35 <MTughan> with GMP version 4.3.0*
15:36 <MTughan> All right.
15:36 <yoyo[RKN]> read nothing about speed improvements until now
15:36 <MTughan> What's the latest GMP-ECM? 6.2.2 or 6.2.3?
15:36 <MTughan> Or something else?
15:37 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm
15:37 <yoyo[RKN]> think 6.2.2
15:37 <MTughan> Yep, looks that way...
15:37 <MTughan> There have been links to Linux builds of ecm with the new GMP version, I suppose we'll have to wait for some benchmarks.
15:38 <yoyo[RKN]> yes
15:38 <MTughan> I'm going for lunch. bbl
16:13 <MTughan> lol... The name looks odd. :P
16:14 <MTughan> Looks like OS X doesn't have nice levels despite its BSD roots. Probably something about the Mach kernel compared to the Linux kernel.
16:15 <MTughan> So it's a Linux only tool.
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16:20 <Soul_keeper> yup
16:20 <Soul_keeper> I just slapped it together real fast
16:21 <Soul_keeper> runs a few different bash scripts behind the scenes, could do it all in C but it's easier that way
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16:23 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, so these guys are wrong then ? http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=126007
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16:23 <MTughan> It's quite possible OS X has nice levels, I just can't find them.
16:24 <PovAddict> it does, like any Unix
16:24 <Soul_keeper> no nice/renice command ?
16:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: Okay. I just couldn't find the nice levels in top, ps, or Activity Monitor.
16:26 <MTughan> <Soul_keeper> I just slapped it together real fast
16:26 <MTughan> <Soul_keeper> runs a few different bash scripts behind the scenes, could do it all in C but it's easier that way
16:27 <PovAddict> you could also edit a single line of boinc core client and recompile
16:27 <Soul_keeper> yeah I considered that also
16:27 <Soul_keeper> but some projects operate with wrappers and such
16:27 <PovAddict> nice level is inherited
16:27 <Soul_keeper> don't think it works that way
16:29 <PovAddict> boinc sets nice level on the wrapper, and when the wrapper starts the worker app, the worker app will inherit the wrapper's nice level, whatever it is
16:29 <PovAddict> without the wrapper doing anything special
16:30 <Soul_keeper> I'm skeptical
16:31 <PovAddict> run "nice bash", then run a program from bash, see if that program gets the higher nice level
16:31 <MTughan> Got a question for you BOINCers: Been pricing out system for my roommate. He does a little bit of gaming, plus possibly some BOINCing for me, so I was wondering what would be better:
16:32 <MTughan> An Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3GHz, or an AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE @ 2.8GHz. Both would probably be overclocked.
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16:39 <Soul_keeper> dual vs. tri i'd definately go with the tri
16:40 <MTughan> Considering both are about the same price.
16:40 <Soul_keeper> is that 8400 45nm ?
16:40 <MTughan> Should be.
16:41 <Soul_keeper> the X3 has the possibility to unlock the 4th core according to rumours, dunno if the roommate is that extreme tho (I personally prolly wouldn't try)
16:41 <MTughan> It is, but there is a good chance the 4th is defective, which is why it's an X3 now.
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16:44 <Soul_keeper> the e8400 is infact 45nm, which means it'll likely overclock slightly better than the X3
16:45 <Soul_keeper> also a few things to consider here, amd is just getting started on the am3 while intel is effectively wanting to kill off 775
16:46 <MTughan> Yep.
16:46 <Soul_keeper> so could get a better future upgrade path going the amd route between those two
16:46 <MTughan> I have a Core i7 build included, but it's about $300 more.
16:46 <MTughan> And Core i5 probably won't be out until October now.
16:47 <Soul_keeper> I heard i5 was another socket ...
16:47 <MTughan> It is. >_>
16:47 <Soul_keeper> don't sound fun to me
16:47 <MTughan> But it'll cheaper than i7.
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16:48 <Soul_keeper> if I was building a system right now i'd choose amd, just my choice tho.
16:48 <Soul_keeper> new AMD chips next week I heard
16:49 <MTughan> There are?
16:49 <MTughan> Ah, new X4s...
16:50 <Soul_keeper> not sure on the specifics
16:50 <MTughan> TechReport report says 3.2GHz.
16:51 <Soul_keeper> if nothing changes that would mean it would equate to about a 3GHz Q9xxx
16:52 <MTughan> Nice.
16:52 <Soul_keeper> clock for clock the Q9xxx is about 100-200mhz faster than the current 45nm PII X4's
16:53 <Soul_keeper> depending on the apps you look at I suppose. but generally speaking
16:53 <MTughan> Which puts the C2D about 300-400MHz faster than the X3 I was looking at.
16:53 <MTughan> Overclocking should take care of that difference somewhat.
16:53 <MTughan> Depending.
16:54 <Soul_keeper> the chatter on the forums seems to indicate that the X4's and X3's can make it to 3.6GHz fairly easily
16:55 <Soul_keeper> every now and then someone pushes a C2D/Q to 4GHz but usually with voltage that's higher than what i'd use
16:55 <MTughan> What cooling? Air or water?
16:55 <Soul_keeper> air
16:56 <Soul_keeper> all black edition X4's are unlocked tho, so basically aimed at overclockers
16:57 <MTughan> Yeah, this is a Black Edition X3.
16:57 <Soul_keeper> nice
16:58 <MTughan> The whole machine for the X3 comes out to $1366 CDN after taxes.
16:58 <MTughan> The aforementioned X3, 8GB of DDR2-800 RAM, a GTS 250, 500W PSU.
16:58 <Soul_keeper> ahhh the memory+motherboard ...
16:59 <MTughan> The MB is $140. It's a Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P.
17:00 <MTughan> The Core 2 Duo machine has the exact same specs, except for the CPU and MB.
17:06 <CoderForLife> hey-lo
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17:12 <Tank_Master> looks like I can build a brand new i7 comp (new everything) for about $800 with 3GB ram and a GeForce 250 (1GB)
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17:14 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Are you reusing anything? The Core i7 comp I priced out is ~$1275USD.
17:14 <Tank_Master> no
17:14 <Tank_Master> like I said, new everything
17:14 <MTughan> Huh...
17:15 <Soul_keeper> newegg :)
17:15 <PovAddict> ¤cy convert 1275 usd ars
17:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1275.00 usd = 4686.26 ars
17:15 <MTughan> Newegg here too.
17:15 <PovAddict> eep
17:15 <Tank_Master> all parts from newegg to, so I might get some things cheeper other places
17:15 <Soul_keeper> btw tigerdirect bought what's left of circuit city, they also have compusa
17:15 <Tank_Master> leme finish off the list and ill make it public
17:15 <MTughan> The only "perks" in this is a Blu-Ray disc reader, and 6GB of RAM.
17:15 <Soul_keeper> they are claiming prices in the stores will compare to the ones on their website
17:15 <wdsmia> re-hi
17:16 <MTughan> And a Xigmatek cooler, but that doesn't account for $400 difference.
17:17 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166 this memory looks like one of the best deals on the egg
17:18 <Soul_keeper> i've had it in my shopping cart for a week ...
17:18 <MTughan> I think TechReport found a better deal... One sec.
17:18 <Tank_Master> I went with corseair 3x2GB for $75
17:19 <Soul_keeper> wouldn't that make you run single channel mode ?
17:19 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: No... i7 is triple-channel.
17:19 <Soul_keeper> so he got 6GB of ddr3 for 75 bucks ... impressive
17:19 <MTughan> Very...
17:20 <MTughan> ¤cy convert 187 CAD to USD
17:20 <Romulus> MTughan: 187.00 cad = 155.28 usd
17:20 <MTughan> That's 3x2GB DDR3-1333 from Corsair...
17:20 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Did you get 3x2GB or 3x1GB?
17:21 <Soul_keeper> I like that g.skill 1066 deal better than the kingston one
17:21 <Tank_Master> 3x2
17:21 <MTughan> WTF... Why is my kit 2x the price of yours then?
17:21 <Soul_keeper> free shipping :) only 10 bucks more and faster with same timings + heatspreaders
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17:22 <Tank_Master> what size of HD did you get?
17:23 <MTughan_> I pulled out my Ethernet cord... :(
17:23 <MTughan_> 640GB WD.
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17:23 <MTughan> Model number WD6400AAKS
17:23 <MTughan> ¤cy convert 87.5 CAD to USD
17:23 <Romulus> MTughan: 87.50 cad = 72.66 usd
17:28 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
17:28 <MTughan> Remember the prices are in CAD though.
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17:30 <MTughan> Oh, I suppose I could've done that... :)
17:31 <Tank_Master> did that work? :P
17:31 <Tank_Master> ahh, u included the OS
17:31 <MTughan> Hmm... Wonder if DDR3 1066 compared to DDR3 1333 is really that much cheaper...
17:32 <MTughan> Also, that's Crucial, not Corsair RAM.
17:34 <MTughan> Found the kit at the Canadian site though... $91.5, cheaper than $160.
17:34 <MTughan> Or $187...
17:34 <PovAddict> ¤cy convert 27.99 usd ars
17:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: 27.99 usd = 102.88 ars
17:34 <PovAddict> :/
17:34 <MTughan> ?
17:35 <PovAddict> a book
17:35 <PovAddict> used, too
17:35 <PovAddict> 45 USD new
17:36 <MTughan> Tank_Master: You might want to check the review on that RAM... Reviews on the Canadian site says it's incompatible with Gigabyte boards.
17:36 <MTughan> Oh, the sites same the same reviews...
17:37 <MTughan> sites share*
17:39 <MTughan> So, $400 difference... My RAM is about $100 of that, OS is just over $100 of that. That leaves about $170-$180 unaccounted for just yet...
17:39 <MTughan> And that's probably in the case and optical drive. My roommate like NZXT's Apollo, which runs for about $85CAD at Newegg, and he'd like the Blu-Ray reader.
17:41 <Tank_Master> crap
17:41 <Tank_Master> Im not used to incompatibiliity as I usualy go with kingston
17:41 <MTughan> Hmm... Is a 450W PSU enough for a 920 with a GTS 250?
17:41 <Tank_Master> oh yeah
17:42 <MTughan> Hmm... Might downgrade the PSU to the one I have in the C2D and X3 builds then.
17:42 <Tank_Master> seen some itx mobos running core2quads with a 250 on a 350w PS
17:42 <MTughan> That'd cut at least $50 off.
17:43 <MTughan> Well, I was just wondering. Because I've seen my C2Q build pull at least 400W from the wall.
17:43 <Tank_Master> I ran a core2duo with a geforce 7900 on a 350 w/o issues
17:43 <Tank_Master> that 400 depends on the effecency of the PS
17:44 <MTughan> It's a PC Power and Cooling Silencer 750, which means about 80% or higher.
17:44 <Tank_Master> if irs only a 65% effecent,. then the load os around 300w
17:44 <MTughan> &math 400 * 0.8
17:44 <Romulus> MTughan: 320
17:45 <Tank_Master> *math 400 * 0.65
17:45 <Tank_Master> &math 400 * 0.65
17:45 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 260
17:45 <MTughan> I could maybe see 350W internally with the further overclocks I've put in. So it looks like 750W was overkill for this. :P
17:45 <Tank_Master> lol
17:45 <MTughan> I was looking at an OCZ ModXStream Pro 500W for this. It's a modular PSU.
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17:46 <Tank_Master> might be good for expandibility and longgevity
17:46 <MTughan> Which one? The 500 or the 750W?
17:46 <Tank_Master> 500
17:46 <Tank_Master> same with the 750
17:46 <MTughan> Yep, and modular means easier cable runs.
17:46 <Tank_Master> &math 750 * 0.2
17:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 150
17:48 <Tank_Master> most PS's effecency go way down when at a load under 20%, so your 750w would still be fine
17:48 <MTughan> The thing is I can actually get the PSU cheaper at a retail store than at Newegg.
17:48 <MTughan> Yeah.
17:48 <MTughan> A 1200W on the other hand...
17:48 <MTughan> &math 1200 * 0.2
17:48 <Romulus> MTughan: 240
17:48 <MTughan> With the GPU not crunching, I could believe that my internal load is somewhere around 180W.
17:49 <MTughan> Which would even be stressing my 750W somewhat... But oh well.
17:49 <Tank_Master> &math 350 / 1200
17:49 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 0.291666666667
17:49 <MTughan> lol
17:49 <Tank_Master> so 30%
17:49 <Tank_Master> just keep gpugrid runing and youll be fine :P
17:50 <MTughan> And there lies the issue... I have a Radeon HD4870 I can't keep fed from MW. :P
17:50 <Tank_Master> lol
17:50 <Tank_Master> stbu
17:50 <MTughan> STBU?
17:50 <Tank_Master> any news when the new apps will be out?
17:51 <Tank_Master> sucks to be you
17:51 <MTughan> Apparently, the GPU project is actually set it up, they're just having Apache issues now.
17:51 <MTughan> set up*
17:51 <Tank_Master> ahh
17:52 <Tank_Master> one gou on my team has like 35 4870s now
17:52 <Tank_Master> guy*
17:52 <Tank_Master> getting close to 1.75 million credits a day
17:54 <MTughan> How is he keeping them fed?
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17:54 <Tank_Master> he has some program that will update the project every few seconds
17:54 <MTughan> Ah, one of the script f***ers...
17:55 <Tank_Master> like ever7 10 seconds
17:55 <Tank_Master> lol
17:56 <Romulus> Title: CPU-Z Validator 3.0 (at valid.canardpc.com)
17:56 <MTughan> That's my current setup and clocks.
17:56 <Tank_Master> only 3.2GHz?
17:56 <MTughan> Should I be higher?
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17:56 <Tank_Master> I had my qx6700 at 3.45
17:57 <MTughan> With what cooler?
17:57 <MTughan> I'm using a Zalman 9500.
17:57 <Tank_Master> thermaltake typhoon
17:57 <Tank_Master> the 120mm fan on top
17:57 <MTughan> This has a 92mm blowing through.
17:58 <Tank_Master> I upgraded the fan to one that can actually blow
17:58 <MTughan> I can't upgrade the fan in this. Not easily anyway.
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17:59 <Tank_Master> mine was just held on by screws
18:01 <Tank_Master> I never did care for that design
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18:02 <MTughan> I've had it since the P4 5 years ago, didn't have enough money for something else.
18:02 <Tank_Master> :)
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18:19 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Got a case for you: http://www.cpu3d.com/article/7614-2/make-me-cooler-makes-a-huge-impact-at-the-i36-event/the-winning-entries.html
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19:23 <zombie67> awful long dry spell without any new projects
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19:47 <MTughan> Anyone got an opinion about graphics cards?
19:47 <MTughan> These won't necessarily be used for BOINC, so I'm not worried about that.
19:48 <MTughan> I wondering which would be better: a GTS 250, GTX 260, Radeon HD4850, Radeon HD4870, or Radeon HD4890?
19:49 <MTughan> Actually, scratch the 4890... No use right now.
19:49 <MTughan> It'd be used for some gaming, probably about 1920x1080.
19:54 <wdsmia> HD4850 and HD4870 are both nice cards Boinc is limited to MW if you can find work
19:55 <MTughan> "These won't necessarily be used for BOINC"
19:55 <MTughan> They're not for me, but my roommate.
19:58 <wdsmia> they seem to run fine for my graphics but dont run many games on them
19:58 <zombie67> TM probably has an opinion
19:58 <MTughan> So Nvidia preferred for games?
19:58 <MTughan> (That's what I figured, but making sure)
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20:10 <MTughan> My roommate's having fun slapping his keyboard down on his pillow... It presses the spacebar.
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20:21 <Tank_Master> Im partial to nividia mainly cus they have better drivers for windows
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20:22 <MTughan> Well, I know this machine will be running Vista Home Premium x64, that fact has already been decided.
20:22 <MTughan> If it materializes, that is.
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20:22 <Tank_Master> they support all windows OSs and I dont have to go in and disable stuff to get my monitor to get it to run at the maz settings
20:23 <Tank_Master> supprisingly ATI does not support server 2008
20:23 <MTughan> That doesn't surprise me.
20:23 <Tank_Master> which is suprising as ATI's video cards tend to be used in server mobos
20:23 <MTughan> Most people (in fact, everyone I know except you) don't run Server 2008 for games.
20:24 <Tank_Master> yeah, but given that most server boards have interegrated ATI graphics...
20:24 <Tank_Master> one would think they would support the server OS
20:24 <MTughan> Radeon or FireGL cards?
20:25 <Tank_Master> radion I believe
20:25 <Tank_Master> most of my server mobos I have use the old ATI rage pro
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20:26 <MTughan> Hmm, not even the FireGL cards have Server 2008 specific drivers though...
20:26 <MTughan> Can you run the installers in Vista compat mode?
20:27 <Tank_Master> oh, they install ok, but its the CCC that wont run
20:27 <MTughan> And you know it requires .NET, right?
20:27 <Tank_Master> server 2008 comes with .net 2.0
20:28 <Tank_Master> just like vista
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20:28 <MTughan> Well, the point is moot anyway... It'll be running Vista.
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20:29 <MTughan> But Nvidia generally has the better drivers? Ignoring the OS issue?
20:29 <Tank_Master> every time you boot, you get a message "the CCC is not compatible with sevrer 2008" and so you cant go in and disable the mechnisum to have windows detect the monitor instead of the drivers
20:29 <Tank_Master> yeah
20:29 <Tank_Master> never had a problem and they do seem to do nice on the performance
20:29 <MTughan> Then the next question is GTS 250 or GTX 260 core 216?
20:30 <Tank_Master> how much are you willing to spend?
20:30 <MTughan> Doesn't really matter.
20:30 <Tank_Master> for arend $250USD you can get the geforce 275
20:31 <MTughan> Some of the prices I've noticed:
20:31 <MTughan> GTS 250: $185 CDN
20:31 <Tank_Master> the 250 with 1GB ram is a great card to, and good on the power consumptsion
20:31 <Tank_Master> thats high
20:31 <MTughan> GTX 250: $228 CDN
20:31 <MTughan> ¤cy convert 185 CAD to USD
20:31 <Romulus> MTughan: 185.00 cad = 153.90 usd
20:31 <MTughan> How's that?
20:31 <Tank_Master> Ive seen the 250 for $130USD
20:32 <MTughan> I dunno... It's an XFX GTS 250 1GB from Newegg.
20:32 <MTughan> 1GB.
20:33 <MTughan> Although it's still about $10USD more expensive... Whatever.
20:33 <Tank_Master> oh crap, mine's the 512MB
20:33 <Tank_Master> n/m
20:33 <MTughan> Anyway, GTS 250: $185; GTX 260: $228; GTX 275: $320.
20:34 <Tank_Master> get teh 1GB then your garonteeded the new power circutry that is also much shorter PCB
20:34 <MTughan> Also because he plans on using it at 1920x1080, 1GB is a given.
20:34 <Tank_Master> 2 of the 250s will usually outperform a 285
20:34 <Tank_Master> and cost less
20:34 <MTughan> Outperform a 285 or a 275?
20:34 <Tank_Master> 285
20:35 <MTughan> Not bad.
20:35 <Tank_Master> so defently yhe 275
20:35 <MTughan> It outperforms a 275, but a 275 costs less than 2x 250. ;)
20:35 <MTughan> Anyway, while price isn't really an issue, I'm trying to keep it down, as it's his parents that are going to be paying for this.
20:36 <Tank_Master> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125266 <- that one doesnt use the reference design
20:36 <MTughan> Heh, obviously... :P
20:36 <Tank_Master> in the revies I have seen, its the shortest card for all of the 9800 and 250 cards
20:36 <Tank_Master> and its super quiet
20:36 <MTughan> Same price here as the XFX card, so that'd be nice...
20:37 <Tank_Master> that should run most anything
20:37 <Tank_Master> cept crysis at 2048x1536 :P
20:38 <MTughan> You sure it's super quiet? A lot of reviews say the fan is always maxed out and loud at that point.
20:38 <Tank_Master> not from the revies I saw
20:38 <Tank_Master> it was quieter than the reference
20:38 <Tank_Master> sure, you can hear it
20:38 <MTughan> I'm looking at Newegg reviews.
20:38 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok
20:39 <Tank_Master> I was going by a hardware site
20:40 <MTughan> I think right now, I'll just stick with the XFX card.
20:41 <MTughan> So that leaves the 250, 260, and 275...
20:41 <MTughan> I may just have to hold off until I get a price range to aim for or something.
20:43 <Tank_Master> I see they have a few more of the 275s then the last time I looked
20:43 <MTughan> I only see two 275s: An EVGA, and a superclocked EVGA.
20:44 <MTughan> 0 matches.
20:44 <Tank_Master> o0
20:44 <Tank_Master> refresh?
20:44 <MTughan> Ah, just had to re-search... Something happened.
20:44 <Tank_Master> I just searched for "geforce 275"
20:44 <MTughan> Yeah. All I had to do was hit the search button and it worked.
20:47 <MTughan> Well, I'll keep this stuff in mind. Thanks TM.
20:49 <Tank_Master> np
20:49 <Tank_Master> im gona go with the 275 for mine
20:49 <Tank_Master> $110 less then the 285 and not to much difference in performance
20:50 <Tank_Master> I need to gat $775 from my 2 comps im gonna sell next week and my i7 will be compleate
21:09 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
21:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 60.1°F / 15.6°C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. High in the upper 60s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in (1 more message)
21:09 <wdsmia> &more
21:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: the mid 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;
21:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia
21:33 <wdsmia> kick MTughan, PovAddict, Soul_keeper, Tank_Master, zombie67
21:33 <wdsmia> darn forgot the -exec ;)
21:35 <MTughan> Any reason why?
21:36 <wdsmia> its Wednesday
21:36 <MTughan> Heh.
21:36 <wdsmia> lol
21:40 * Tank_Master banhammers wdsmia
21:41 <wdsmia> Hmm not even any lurkers to kick tonight :(
21:41 <Tank_Master> bummer
21:41 <Tank_Master> could kick cfl, he's never around
21:42 <MTughan> &any CoderForLife
21:42 <Romulus> MTughan: CoderForLife was last seen in #boinc 4 hours, 35 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <CoderForLife> hey-lo
21:42 <Tank_Master> see?
21:42 <PovAddict> wdsmia: there are lurkers, yes
21:42 <PovAddict> &any deprecated
21:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: deprecated was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 42 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: *** deprecated has joined #boinc
21:42 <wdsmia> dont dish the op's lol
21:42 <MTughan> 4.5 hours ago...
21:42 <PovAddict> &any Turf
21:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: Turf was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: *** Turf has joined #boinc
21:42 <MTughan> &seen deprecated
21:42 <Romulus> MTughan: deprecated was last seen in #boinc 14 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <deprecated> Mac users, The ultimate new toy for your farm: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/92328
21:43 <PovAddict> &seen ComradeHaz
21:43 <Romulus> PovAddict: ComradeHaz was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 38 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <ComradeHaz> nn :)
21:43 <MTughan> So he has talked at least... xD
21:43 <PovAddict> &seen Celelibi
21:43 <Romulus> PovAddict: Celelibi was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 45 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 1 minute, and 32 seconds ago: <Celelibi> hi
21:43 <PovAddict> LOL
21:43 <PovAddict> beat that!
21:43 <MTughan> Just under two years ago.
21:43 <wdsmia> &seen comatose
21:43 <Romulus> wdsmia: I have not seen comatose.
21:44 <PovAddict> &seen infinisoft
21:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: infinisoft was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 7 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <infinisoft> :o.
21:44 <PovAddict> &seen DrBashir
21:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: DrBashir was last seen in #boinc 6 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <DrBashir> my english is very poor sorry i cant understand you
21:44 <MTughan> &seen quail
21:44 <Romulus> MTughan: quail was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <quail> hiya ladies
21:44 <MTughan> &seen sigmund
21:44 <Romulus> MTughan: I have not seen sigmund.
21:44 <MTughan> Ha!
21:44 <wdsmia> &seen spitthedog
21:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: I have not seen spitthedog.
21:44 <MTughan> &any sigmund
21:44 <Romulus> MTughan: sigmund was last seen in #boinc 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: *** sigmund has joined #boinc
21:44 <wdsmia> &seen spit
21:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: spit was last seen in #boinc 2 years, 40 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Spit> hehehehehe .... see what you did to my router ... LOL
21:44 <PovAddict> &seen spit_theDog
21:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: spit_theDog was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 47 weeks, 6 days, 15 hours, 16 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Spit_theDog> Bye for now all :)
21:45 <MTughan> PovAddict: sigmund has never talked in this channel.
21:45 <PovAddict> &any sigmund
21:45 <Romulus> PovAddict: sigmund was last seen in #boinc 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: *** sigmund has joined #boinc
21:45 <PovAddict> now that's a lurker
21:45 <MTughan> He's been here before though.
21:48 * wdsmia kicks the lurkers and the bitchers no lurkers or bots so wdsmia looks for...
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21:49 <MTughan> :D
21:49 <PovAddict> !
21:49 <MTughan> TSPer: part
21:49 <PovAddict> &echo kick me
21:49 <Romulus> kick me
21:49 *** TSPer was kicked by wdsmia (Thank you for NOT smoking!)
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21:49 <MTughan> TSPer: part
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21:50 <PovAddict> "thank you for not smoking"? were you planning to kick Soul_keeper?
21:50 * wdsmia smokes
21:50 *** PovAddict was kicked by wdsmia (Did you hear something?)
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21:50 <PovAddict> what the hell just happened! >:|
21:51 <MTughan> [9:50pm] PovAddict was kicked from the chat room by wdsmia. (Did you hear something?)
21:51 <MTughan> [9:50pm] PovAddict joined the chat room.
21:51 <XioNYC> Â¿FTW?
21:52 <wdsmia> [20:50] <PovAddict> "thank you for not smoking"? were you planning to kick Soul_keeper?
21:52 <wdsmia> [20:50] * @wdsmia smokes
21:52 <wdsmia> [20:50] * PovAddict was kicked by wdsmia (Did you hear something?)
21:52 <XioNYC> Anti-smoking discrimination...
21:52 * XioNYC lights up
21:53 <wdsmia> dont worry XioNYC your not on the sh*t list... yet
21:53 <wdsmia> :)
21:53 <XioNYC> :-D
21:53 <MTughan> wdsmia: Are you able to trip your own swearing script?
21:53 <MTughan> I think "sucks" still trips it, IIRC.
21:54 <MTughan> Oh, you've modified it. xD
21:54 <wdsmia> I wrote it so yes I can tweak it :P
21:57 <PovAddict> "Treasury Department Issues Emergency Recall Of All US Dollars" heh
21:57 <Tank_Master> lol
21:57 <Tank_Master> yeah
22:01 <XioNYC> ...as opposed to Altarian dollars?
22:05 * wdsmia has to piss off his boss tomarrow he got a federal grant for a new program $65K and 90 days delivery... I coded it in less than 6hrs
22:05 <Tank_Master> lol
22:07 <wdsmia> now he has to return the money
22:07 <wdsmia> if its approved lol
22:08 <PovAddict> lol
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23:38 <MTughan> Tank_Master: I agree with your assessment of ATI's drivers. I have an example for you.
23:39 <MTughan> Catalyst 9.4 drivers for Windows 7, downloaded specifically for Windows 7, but the installer has to be run in Vista compat to install.
23:39 * PovAddict remembers Windows XP apps with 16-bit setup.exe's
23:40 <PovAddict> eg. companies who improved their own software, maybe even making it use features new in XP or 2000, but never bought newer versions of installshield, they're stuck on the one they got for Windows 3.1
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