00:06 <Soul_keeper> bla
00:08 <XioNYC> blah
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00:16 <MTughan> O_O
00:17 <MTughan> Wonder what he got K-lined for.
00:27 <Soul_keeper> he's prolly a spammer
00:30 <MTughan> I like... :D
00:33 <Soul_keeper> ugly
00:33 <jasong> What OS is that?
00:33 <MTughan> Windows 7.
00:34 <MTughan> Don't worry, that's not the default colour. :P
00:40 <Soul_keeper> only a canadian would use windows with a linux wallpaper and have linux apps on their desktop ...
00:40 <MTughan> What?
00:41 <Soul_keeper> I spoke english.
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00:41 <MTughan> The wallpaper is from a comic called Control+Alt+Delete, a gaming comic.
00:41 <MTughan> The penguin isn't Tux, but he is inspired by him.
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00:44 <MTughan> Uh... TM's not a spammer.
00:45 <Soul_keeper> ohhh
00:45 <Soul_keeper> reminds me of a stargate sg1 show, everyone starts dissapearing ...
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00:47 <mib_gyoghs> Actually the 16-bit setup.exe would detect which platform it was running on and would launch the real installer. It wasn't all that uncommon in the Windows 2000 days for a single CD to contain a 16-bit, a 32-bit x86, 32-bit alpha, and 32-bit mips version of the software.
00:47 <MTughan> Pov?
00:47 <Romulus> Rumor has it Pov is usually not got for very long, MTughan
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01:00 * csc` looks
01:01 <MTughan> I said Tank_Master was k-lined.
01:01 <MTughan> About 15 minutes ago now.
01:01 <MTughan> &any Tank_Master
01:01 <Romulus> MTughan: Tank_Master was last seen in #boinc 17 minutes and 55 seconds ago: *** Tank_Master has quit IRC (K-lined)
01:01 * csc` looks at the room
01:01 <csc`> whats this place o.0
01:02 <MTughan> BOINC: Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing.
01:02 <Romulus> Title: BOINC (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
01:02 <csc`> curse you kde 4 and your lack of kde 3 application interfacing
01:09 * XioNYC curses KDE 4 for breaking a solid UI for eye candy
01:11 * csc` curses radioshack for ripping him off with this laptop, so he cant enjoy kde 4's eye candy
01:11 <MTughan> Man, that must really be a crappy card... Even a VM on my desktop can do KDE4's eye candy.
01:12 <MTughan> Lemme guess: Intel integrated?
01:13 <XioNYC> I had solid eye candy with KDE 4 and an Intel 854G. I just prefer efficiency and performace over eye candy, that's all...
01:14 <csc`> its not the card
01:14 <csc`> its the ram
01:15 <csc`> they gave me 256
01:15 <MTughan> Ah...
01:15 <MTughan> Yes, I've assigned the VM 512MB.
01:15 <csc`> and stuffed ATi/AMD hardware, and a bloatware copy of XP on there
01:15 <MTughan> ATI can be good. I like my Radeon HD4870.
01:15 <csc`> i love ati
01:15 <csc`> but this model, the Presario v2000 was intel
01:15 <csc`> *was*
01:15 <csc`> lol
01:15 <MTughan> Ah...
01:16 <MTughan> How the f*** did they do that?
01:16 <csc`> and it had a lot of other features they took out
01:16 <csc`> and sold it the same price as new
01:16 <csc`> ie, the dl dvd burner, the memory card reader, and the nice atheros wifi chipset
01:17 <csc`> rather than a bcm43xx set
01:17 <MTughan> What optical drive did they replace it with?
01:17 <csc`> generic cd burner
01:17 <csc`> that now ceases to work
01:17 <MTughan> Even my 5-year old DVD-ROM drive from Sony is still chugging along.
01:18 <csc`> well i dont know how old the individual components are
01:18 <csc`> its a refurbrished pc
01:18 <MTughan> I know because I bought the drive with my first computer in summer 2004.
01:18 <csc`> a nice model, but they really screwed it up, radioshack did
01:18 <csc`> i usually just run fluxbox
01:19 <csc`> and because of the cdrom failure, im locked into using kubuntu
01:19 <MTughan> Why not get an external USB ODD?
01:19 <csc`> not worth it
01:19 <MTughan> Gonna replace the machine soon?
01:19 <csc`> debian doesnt piss me off like it does most of the other people who complain about it
01:20 <csc`> na
01:20 <csc`> probably not, unless the harddrive gives out
01:20 <csc`> then ill just upgrade parts
01:20 <MTughan> I know Tank_Master was looking at a new Core i7 comp before he got k-lined.
01:20 <csc`> its hard to find a laptop you lik
01:20 <csc`> like*
01:20 <MTughan> ~$750 USD IIRC.
01:20 <csc`> as in, the dimensions and feel
01:20 <MTughan> Yep.
01:20 <MTughan> I'm happy with my MacBook Aluminum.
01:21 <csc`> this one is ment to be an ibook clone, and does it rather well
01:21 <csc`> without the fail or shame of buying an apple product
01:21 <MTughan> Apple products are nice, they're just higher end.
01:21 <csc`> but apple isnt
01:22 <csc`> im not like the other linux users, "apple users must be gay"
01:22 <MTughan> Apple has far and away the best tech support I've seen though.
01:22 <csc`> apple gears everything towards misanthropy
01:22 <MTughan> If I need it. I can solve most problems myself.
01:22 <csc`> ive heard blizzard has the worst
01:23 <MTughan> But the machine I had before this: failed motherboard 3 times. Replaced each time, no questions asked.
01:23 <MTughan> When I phoned Apple after the CPU fan gave out, they gave me a whole new machine, free.
01:23 <csc`> what about the old machine
01:23 <MTughan> Sent back.
01:24 <csc`> ah crap
01:24 <MTughan> Dunno if they sold it as refurbished or what.
01:24 <csc`> i forgot how to use git
01:24 <csc`> and yeah thats what they do
01:24 <csc`> they refurb their equipment and send it off when you send it in for repairs
01:24 <csc`> ie you send yours in, they do a drive swap most likely, then send you the 'new' machine and call it fixed
01:24 <csc`> :P
01:25 <MTughan> I can't say the same for my Lenovo. Had the fingerprint reader fail, took it into a certified shop for businesses.
01:25 <MTughan> They blamed it on software just because I used XP instead of Vista, and had to pay $60.
01:25 <csc`> sadly i havent seen a fingerprint reader work in linux
01:26 <MTughan> Well, I don't know if it was because of XP, but I was running an XP/Fedora 8 combo on it at the time.
01:26 <MTughan> But I tried the drivers numerous times, and I know that wasn't it.
01:27 <MTughan> Sorry to rant, I'm just really impressed by Apple's tech support... :P
01:27 <csc`> not like theres anything better to do
01:28 <MTughan> True.
01:28 <csc`> i just quit my job, been up for about two days, get to go to sleep at 7 in the morning
01:28 <csc`> to wake up around 2, and wait for my lug meet at 6:30
01:28 <MTughan> List of the OSes I run and their names .:P
01:29 <csc`> well im an "expert" at archlinux, moderate user of debian, and a fluent cli wizzard
01:29 <MTughan> Gotta love that CLI... And the *nix CLI, not DOS.
01:29 <MTughan> Someone was wondering how to only list directories in Linux.
01:29 <MTughan> ls -l | grep "^d"
01:30 <csc`> i think theres a simpler way with ls
01:30 <csc`> dunno offhand though
01:30 <MTughan> I was looking through the man page, didn't see anything.
01:31 <Soul_keeper> ls -d
01:31 <csc`> ^-
01:31 <csc`> lol
01:31 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Not quite what I was looking for.
01:32 <Soul_keeper> figures
01:33 <MTughan> csc`: Just reading some of the chatter in #defocus... I wonder how I stay sane sometimes.
01:34 <Soul_keeper> hmmm ls |grep / actually works
01:34 <MTughan> I know it does. If you care, it was me and Pov discussing it.
01:34 <Soul_keeper> lol
01:35 <csc`> MTughan: care to read a blog post about a moron who loved ipods was trofting around in #defocus?
01:35 <MTughan> Uh... Sure?
01:35 <Soul_keeper> don't take it personal .... takes me a min or two to min/max this irc window, guess I should just ignore everyone
01:35 <MTughan> lol
01:35 <MTughan> I didn't mention before who it was, don't worry.
01:35 <Soul_keeper> don't matter who
01:36 <csc`> ah
01:36 <csc`> only six and a half more hours
01:36 <csc`> then i can sleep
01:36 <csc`> :P
01:37 <MTughan> And don't worry about your sleep patterns csc`... Until recently, I was up from ~11AM through to the next day to 12PM, then keep awake until 4-5AM, then sleep until 11AM again.
01:37 <csc`> yeah but i havent slept in a day or two
01:38 <csc`> man, that blog post makes me wonder if someone possessed me and wrote such an 'perfect' post
01:42 <Soul_keeper> <Victor-> Barack Obama's tax return..
01:49 <Soul_keeper> 2.6M not bad ...
01:50 <Soul_keeper> could afford tons of dogs
01:50 <MTughan> Hot dogs or literal dogs?
01:50 <Soul_keeper> whatever he wants, he's a multi-millionaire
01:50 <MTughan> Could afford plenty of i7s with that. :P
01:50 <MTughan> And a could GTX 295's to go along with those.
01:50 <MTughan> couple*
01:51 <Soul_keeper> yep
01:51 <Soul_keeper> i'd buy an X4 940 with like atleast 20GB of mem, and 2 or 3 GTX's
01:52 <MTughan> I had to think about what you were saying there for a sec... I thought you meant Phenom II X4 940.
01:52 <Soul_keeper> yeah
01:52 <MTughan> I'm sure AMD planned that one out nice.
01:53 <csc`> i am so bored
01:53 <Soul_keeper> you can pack 64GB into these things now huh ?
01:53 * ELGono switches on music
01:53 <MTughan> What, in the AMD boards?
01:53 <Soul_keeper> amd or i7
01:54 <MTughan> I can believe it. Now that the 32-bit barrier is out of the way and we have 64-bit addressing.
01:55 <Soul_keeper> ok i'm seeing only 32GB amd ones on newegg
01:56 <MTughan> Well, think: to get 32GB of RAM on 4 slots, you need 8GB RAM cards.
01:56 <MTughan> I've barely seen any 4GB sticks, let alone 8GB.
01:56 <MTughan> The market is currently dominated by 2GB sticks.
01:57 <Soul_keeper> intel has a few 28GB ones on newegg
01:57 <csc`> i was going to build a machine powered by amd/ati with a quad phenom and 4 gigs of ram
01:57 <MTughan> Not bad. Overclock?
01:58 <csc`> ?
01:58 <Soul_keeper> 6×240pin 28GB ddr3 i7 MICRO atx board lol
01:58 <MTughan> Were you planning on overclocking the quad if you got it?
01:58 <csc`> probably not
01:59 <csc`> i might still get it
01:59 <csc`> but i dont really see a point
01:59 <csc`> i dont rely on gaming anymore
01:59 <MTughan> I've got an Intel quad-core, Q6600. Stock is 2.4GHz, I've overclocked to 3.26GHz.
01:59 <csc`> so its a rather worthless investment, also seeing as how im jobless
01:59 <MTughan> Oh, I don't do much gaming myself. I use it for BOINC. ;)
01:59 <csc`> (as of today, heh)
01:59 <csc`> still dont get what boinc is
01:59 <csc`> lol
02:00 <MTughan> It's a platform that allows you to donate idle time on your computer to computing projects.
02:00 <MTughan> So you download BOINC and then attach to different projects.
02:00 <MTughan> You've probably heard of SETI@home, which is the biggest BOINC project.
02:00 <Soul_keeper> If I had 32GB of memory, and I was a millionaire i'd prolly spend my time writing a program that does absolutely nothing but use memory just cause
02:00 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: lol
02:01 <MTughan> Run a couple of VMs on it, that'll eat the RAM fairly quickly.
02:01 <Soul_keeper> i bet
02:01 <csc`> nope, havent heard of seti
02:01 <csc`> only folding
02:01 <MTughan> Ah, Folding@Home is similar, but they use their own platform.
02:01 <csc`> lol
02:02 <MTughan> Surely you've heard of the LHC though.
02:02 <csc`> nope
02:02 <csc`> lmao
02:02 <MTughan> Well, CERN used a BOINC project, called LHC@home to run simulations of particles in the LHC while it was still being built, so they could calibrate it.
02:02 <MTughan> You've never heard of the LHC?
02:02 <csc`> not at all
02:03 <MTughan> Wow... Going to be the biggest particle collider in the world once it's running.
02:03 <csc`> oh
02:03 <csc`> the giant hadron collider?
02:03 <MTughan> LHC = Large Hadron Collider
02:03 <csc`> and i thought it already was running
02:03 <csc`> or am i thinkin of a different one
02:04 <MTughan> It was, but they had a hydrogen leak about a week after they started it.
02:04 <csc`> nice
02:04 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131363R there you go, 4X pcie
02:05 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Cruddy spacing... Hold on, I think I remember seeing a board with good spacing recently.
02:05 <Soul_keeper> looks like dual slot cards would fit in it
02:05 <MTughan> Not quite. Look at the 3rd slot in relation to the 4th.
02:07 <Soul_keeper> ahhh
02:07 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130223 this one is better
02:07 <Soul_keeper> same :)
02:07 <MTughan> We got the same board.
02:07 <Soul_keeper> lol
02:07 <MTughan> Yes, that one has proper spacing, although you may have clearance issues with the bottom of the case.
02:07 <Soul_keeper> yeah that would be the ultimate cuda setup
02:08 <MTughan> With a dual-slot card in the bottom, that is.
02:08 <Soul_keeper> i'd take a sledge hammer to the case if it didn't fit
02:08 <MTughan> I was thinking you couldn't run SLI on it, but you can't have SLI on for BOINC CUDA anyway... :)
02:08 <MTughan> You'll just need 4 monitors/dummies. xD
02:09 <Soul_keeper> yeah
02:09 <Soul_keeper> well I figure you wouldn't need sli anyways, one card should be plenty for gaming :)
02:10 <MTughan> Depends on the game and resolution. Two cards would be plenty for any current game anyway.
02:10 <Soul_keeper> I'd just play 10yr old games
02:10 <MTughan> And I don't think SLI scales well beyond two cards IIRC. You could use a third for PhysX I guess. The 4th would be a waste.
02:10 <Soul_keeper> boinc is all that matter
02:11 <MTughan> Can GPUGRID or SETI work on both cores of a GTX 295?
02:11 <Soul_keeper> as far as I know, yes
02:11 <MTughan> 4x GTX 295's in that MB... >:D
02:11 <Soul_keeper> would just detect two cuda devices
02:12 <MTughan> Let's see how much that would be.
02:12 <MTughan> &math 530 * 4
02:12 <Romulus> MTughan: 2120
02:13 <MTughan> $2120 USD for the video cards alone... Huge cruncher though.
02:13 <MTughan> $530 being the cheapest GTX 295 on Newegg.
02:14 <Soul_keeper> about 200 for motherboard, i'm not seeing ANY 4GB sticks for ddr3
02:14 <Soul_keeper> would want atleast a 1200watt psu
02:15 <Soul_keeper> 220 or so for the cpu
02:15 <Soul_keeper> so assuming we are infact millionaires, we'd have to put in a custom order to taiwan/korea for that 16GB
02:16 <MTughan> How much is a Phenom II X4 940?
02:16 <Soul_keeper> just over 200 I believe
02:17 <MTughan> 16GB of custom RAM would probably run what, $400?
02:18 <Soul_keeper> 200-300+ for the psu
02:18 <MTughan> &math 530 * 4 + 210 + 400 + 180 + 300
02:18 <Romulus> MTughan: 3210
02:18 <MTughan> You know, that's not all that much.
02:19 <MTughan> $500 tops for anything else.
02:19 <MTughan> You'd be killed in power bills though. That's a lot of power.
02:19 <Soul_keeper> yeah
02:19 <Soul_keeper> it would be like running 5 computers in 1
02:20 <MTughan> And imagine the heat from it...
02:20 <MTughan> It wouldn't be quite 5-in-1 though. Might be closer to 3-in-1.
02:21 <MTughan> Consider: while we have the video card from each possible other machine, we only have the one CPU to run, instead of 3-4.
02:23 <Soul_keeper> yeah if someone gave me 5K tomarrow I think I'd have to pass
02:23 <MTughan> lol
02:23 <Soul_keeper> i'd buy 100 dollars worth of memory then prolly stop
02:24 <Soul_keeper> i'd have to spend the rest on food and bills I guess ...
02:27 <Soul_keeper> pizza :)
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03:18 <FreeLarry> ugh one update on yoyo ecm 0.03 every 1:42:15 -- 20% to 40%
03:18 <FreeLarry> person would almost think the wu not running
03:20 <FreeLarry> 12 gig ram for ddr3 was 262 dollars MTughan
03:22 <Soul_keeper> yeah
03:22 <Soul_keeper> we were looking for single 4GB sticks
03:22 <Soul_keeper> only saw 6x2GB
03:23 <FreeLarry> ouch mine was packs of 2 2gig strips
03:23 <MTughan> FreeLarry: Right, because the ecm wrapper only updates progress at the 20% marks. ;)
03:23 <FreeLarry> sorry 3 2 gig strips
03:24 <FreeLarry> lol finally figured that out after watching it
03:24 <Soul_keeper> you get used to it I guess
03:24 <FreeLarry> about 9 hrs for one wu on the 940 (i7)
03:26 <FreeLarry> humm ddr3 4 gig strips humm that would make 24 gig on this machine -- to bad only using around 3 gig max out of the 12 installed
03:27 <Soul_keeper> the times vary, I just pulled up the website. last two I did 2.8hrs and 4.5hrs
03:27 <FreeLarry> yeah had short ones also - think time between updates gets a little less towards end
03:29 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: We can't view your user results. Get the results from one computer alone.
03:29 <Soul_keeper> ahhh
03:30 <CoderForLife> was somebody looking for me?
03:30 <MTughan> Someone said you were a lurker.
03:31 <CoderForLife> huh?
03:31 <XioNYC> Who called for a lurker?
03:32 <MTughan> wdsmia was looking for lurkers to kick before. Someone said you were a lurker, don't remember who ATM. Want me to find out?
03:32 <XioNYC> Not really - I'm more of a background decor, really :-)
03:32 <CoderForLife> naw - thx
03:33 <CoderForLife> I'm a "can't sleeper"
03:33 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
03:33 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 45.3°F / 7.4°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy with patchy drizzle...then decreasing clouds towards dawn. Lows in the lower 40s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. East winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - (1 more message)
03:33 * FreeLarry lurks in room all the time but does make remarks occasionally
03:33 <CoderForLife> &more
03:33 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Clear. Lows around 40. Northeast winds around 5 mph.;
03:34 * FreeLarry wonders how net framework 3.5 install going
03:34 <MTughan> Ah, it was Tank_Master... It's all right, he was k-lined. :P
03:34 <FreeLarry> install done had to restart
03:35 <MTughan> lol, Doug left himself opped. ;)
03:35 <MTughan> &any xcamel
03:35 <Romulus> MTughan: xcamel was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 5 days, 6 hours, 43 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: *** xcamel has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection)
03:35 <MTughan> Hmm, I didn't think I'd seen him around recently.
03:36 <CoderForLife> brb emergency breakfast
03:36 <MTughan> csc`: Any reason you're still around? Curious about BOINC?
03:37 <FreeLarry> ahh just to chat occasionally
03:37 <MTughan> You mean like the other 5-10 we found? :P
03:38 <FreeLarry> besides Romulus makes good company occasionally too -- lol yeah guess i should explore more
03:38 <Soul_keeper> so we are all trolls/lurkers now ?
03:38 <FreeLarry> &roulette
03:38 <Romulus> FreeLarry: *click*
03:38 <MTughan> In a sense. We're just active trolls, while the others are idle trolls. ;)
03:39 <FreeLarry> nah - just lonely old folks who don't get into facebook that much
03:39 <FreeLarry> humm second sounds closer
03:39 <Soul_keeper> :)
03:39 <jasong> silly question: You guys ever think about what life would be like if Moore's Law were LITERALLY a law of nature? So the 2 year thing(or 19 months if you like) would be affected by natural log
03:40 <jasong> You could predict it with absolute certainty
03:40 <MTughan> Law's and logarithms don't have anything to do with each other. ;)
03:40 <jasong> I know, but I like to daydream about stuff like this
03:40 <FreeLarry> dang i shold remember that law but drawing a blank - natural log something or other
03:41 <jasong> Or what if there were a similar law for transportation
03:41 <FreeLarry> lol transportation the older you get the slower you get
03:41 <jasong> If Moore's Law applied to space travel, Mar's would be dead easy
03:42 <MTughan> FreeLarry: ln = natural log
03:42 <csc`> MTughan: lol i cant just be here for no apparent reason?
03:42 <csc`> :P
03:42 <FreeLarry> wasthinking more like n to the e
03:43 <FreeLarry> dang what was that
03:43 <FreeLarry> e was something like 2.xxxxx
03:44 * FreeLarry wonders if he should attmpt suicide by dragging old textbooks and notes off top shelf in closet ---- nah crushing to slow
03:44 <csc`> crushing?
03:45 <csc`> what about blunt trauma
03:45 <csc`> :P
03:45 <MTughan> &math e**1
03:45 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.71828182846
03:45 <FreeLarry> only around 1000 lbs on top shelf
03:45 <csc`> have it clip your forehead
03:45 <MTughan> &math ln(e**1)
03:45 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: 'ln' is not a defined function.
03:45 <MTughan> Dammit... It's 1.
03:46 <MTughan> ln(x) = log e (x)
03:46 * FreeLarry getting shakes as nuc school memories attempting to surface - goes to drown self in hot tea
03:46 <csc`> bbl, switching to blackberry in the meantime
03:47 *** Turks has joined #boinc
03:47 <MTughan> lol, nice second nick.
03:47 * FreeLarry nnnnooo keep away from me you old texas insturment TI-41
03:49 <MTughan> I'm off for the night... Almost 4AM now.
03:50 <ELGono> laterz MTughan
03:50 <ELGono> and moo FreeLarry
03:51 <Turks> Hey mtughan, can the bot be lobotomized for certain users?
03:51 <MTughan> What do you mean?
03:51 <Turks> As in, don't talk to me and stop lagging my blackberry =p
03:52 <Turks> Virca doesn't have an ignore feature
03:52 <MTughan> Not directly. Can you put him on ignore?
03:52 <CoderForLife> gn Mtughan
03:52 <MTughan> lol
03:52 <MTughan> There goes my suggestion...
03:52 <CoderForLife> I'm b w/b
03:53 <Turks> Yeah, oh well, ill probably just go into mad hacker mode and edit the source to ignore him specifically
03:53 <MTughan> I believe the bot can be configured to ignore certain users, but the admin has to do that.
03:53 <MTughan> &ignore add Turks
03:53 <MTughan> &admin ignore add Turks
03:53 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: The command "ignore add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "ignore add".
03:53 <Turks> Night mtughan
03:53 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
03:53 <MTughan> WTF?
03:53 <MTughan> &ping
03:53 <Romulus> pong
03:54 <Turks> Supybot?
03:54 <Romulus> Somebody said Supybot is user-friendly, Turks
03:54 <MTughan> Yes.
03:54 <MTughan> Wow, I think that was my client actually...
03:54 <MTughan> &channel ignore add Turks
03:54 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You don't have the #boinc,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
03:54 <Turks> I used to run a supy, nice bots
03:54 <MTughan> Yep, the admin needs to add you if you want. Unfortunately, he's been MIA recently...
03:55 <MTughan> &any xcamel
03:55 <Romulus> MTughan: xcamel was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 5 days, 7 hours, 2 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: *** xcamel has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection)
03:55 <ELGono> be sure that you are identified before trying again.
03:55 <ELGono> ;-p
03:55 <CoderForLife> MIA = Mexico Is Alright
03:55 <MTughan> ELGono: I don't have an account on Rommie, so it's kinda hard to identify. :P
03:55 <MTughan> CoderForLife: ... Well, that's one interpretation.
03:55 <ELGono> imho just one has
03:56 <Turks> Mia = morons in afganistan =)
03:56 <FreeLarry> ugg just dled power script update for xp - from looking at getting started reminds me of linus a bit
03:56 <MTughan> Turks: US, Canadian, British, or Taliban?
03:56 <ELGono> still miss athlonrobs bot
03:56 <ELGono> &seen athlonrob
03:56 <Romulus> ELGono: athlonrob was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 6 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 54 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <AthlonRob> Adios, thanks for the fun
03:56 <Turks> Oh wait. That's the us....so that makes me...a moron?
03:57 <MTughan> I think some other people in this channel might have something to say about US citizens being morons... xD
03:57 <ELGono> wonder what happened with nightcrawler ....
03:57 <MTughan> ELGono: What kind of bot did AthlonRob run?
03:58 <MTughan> I have my own supybot which is a little better behaved than Rommie, but xcamel and wdsmia don't like him in here. :P
03:59 <ELGono> iirc supy
03:59 <Turks> I have a custom bot in haskell, or rather, an mirc scriptable puppet ircop
03:59 <ELGono> but some nice features
03:59 <MTughan> Maybe I just have to change the command prefix then... It's the same as Rommie, so a command issued to one went to both.
03:59 <ELGono> line permanent nolog and such
03:59 <ELGono> like
04:00 <FreeLarry> &nn all
04:00 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
04:00 <ELGono> laterz larry
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04:02 <MTughan> &ping
04:02 <Romulus> pong
04:02 <MTughan> ^ping
04:02 <TSPer> pong
04:02 <MTughan> Good. :)
04:03 <Turks> I almost fell in a canal =(
04:03 <MTughan> I'll keep him out for now until I have a chance to ask wdsmia about it... If he tries to kick the bot, he'll just rejoin, and I don't want wdsmia kickbanning me.
04:03 <MTughan> ^part
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04:04 <Turks> Lol, I had a bot with a command prefix that responded to color
04:04 <MTughan> Heh.
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04:04 <MTughan> IIRC, #boinc has +c on, so colour wouldn't work.
04:04 <ELGono> yea i don't understand that one policy anyhow
04:04 <Turks> Yeah , it was for my old network
04:04 <ELGono> i vote for some new flavours
04:05 <ELGono> ;;)
04:05 <Turks> I used to be an ircop and bbs sysop
04:05 <MTughan> I'm an IRCop on another server, but not the main op.
04:05 <MTughan> I am chanop on a couple channels on #freenode though.
04:05 <Turks> I still hand around some of the new bbs's
04:06 <MTughan> s/#freenode/Freenode/
04:06 <ELGono> i'm mostly on ircnet
04:06 <Turks> Hang*
04:07 <ELGono> cause we got a server in gigabit range ;)
04:07 <MTughan> Funny, I didn't think IRC used that much bandwidth. ;)
04:07 <ELGono> dcc does ;)
04:07 <MTughan> Holy crap... You guys sucked me into IRC for another 15 minutes... You're literal suckers.
04:07 <MTughan> Night.
04:08 <Turks> Gg
04:08 <ELGono> on and on and on
04:08 <ELGono> hehe
04:08 <ELGono> &nn MTughan
04:08 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
04:09 <ELGono> np: Carl Craig and Moritz von Oswald - Villalobos "Uli, Mein Ponyhof" Rmx -- 0:12
04:09 <ELGono> perfect song for starting the day
04:09 <Turks> Lol
04:10 <Turks> I started with lacuna coil
04:10 <ELGono> thats gothic corner, right
04:11 <ELGono> actually it's a Mussorsky tune, recomposed by carl craig / moritz and then remixed again by ricardo villalobos
04:14 <Soul_keeper> i should put a sign in my front yard that says "YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!!!"
04:15 <Turks> I would fly there just to see that
04:15 <ELGono> send pix
04:16 <Soul_keeper> it's a free country still, atleast partially. I should be able to pull it off
04:17 <ELGono> hehe did like that with 3 projectors in my flat .... put them on my windows
04:20 <Soul_keeper> cool
04:20 <ELGono> just planning a bigger setup again
04:20 <ELGono> think of 6x 10.000 lumen
04:21 <ELGono> hope i get the laser tagging done
04:21 <ELGono> you'll be able to draw pictures on house walls with a laser-pointer
04:22 <Soul_keeper> fun
04:23 <ELGono> yea need to convince my coding-slave to edit some new features
04:23 <ELGono> i'd like a color-bar for choosing different colours
04:24 <Soul_keeper> get one of those zombie warning signs :)
04:26 <ELGono> hehe good idea
04:28 <ELGono> Mr. Calixte uses two different operating systems to hide his illegal activities. One is the regular B.C. [Boston College] operating system and the other is a black screen with white font which he uses prompt commands on.
04:28 <ELGono> some call it shell, some gateway to crime'n'terror
04:28 <ELGono> lmao
04:29 <Soul_keeper> geeze
04:31 <Soul_keeper> so basically being knowledgable about computers gives the police "probable cause to seize" your property.
04:33 <Soul_keeper> sad state of affairs
04:36 <ELGono> not better in germany :(
04:37 <ELGono> tomorrow they want to sign the "providers filtering the internet" law
04:37 <ELGono> agains child pr0n
04:38 <ELGono> but that law is just the entry for 1984
04:38 <ELGono> btw one of the website beeing filtered was wikileaks
04:39 <Soul_keeper> i heard about that
04:39 <Soul_keeper> big government knows now limits
04:39 <Soul_keeper> no*
04:44 <ELGono> yepp and child pr0n is the new STASI-dossier
04:44 <ELGono> if you want to get rid of any politician just put some vids on his computer
04:45 <XioNYC> .o0( ..."you could outlaw religion and all these sex crimes would disappear in a few generations, but we don't have time for rational solutions." )
04:45 <ELGono> happened to 2 politicians in last 2 months
04:46 <ELGono> well one of them was in the anti-child-pr0n-commitiee .... and against that new law
04:47 <ELGono> so tomorrow we'll hear the plonk when "freedom of internet" hits the ground of waste basket
04:51 <XioNYC> Between the moral crusaders, the ignorant who make policy, and the merchants perpetuating failed business models, there are times when I wonder if opening the Internet to all was a good idea :-(
04:52 * XioNYC has had enough for one night
04:52 <XioNYC> Later, all.
04:53 <ELGono> laterz
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08:38 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany
08:39 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 68Â°F / 20Â°C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 2:20 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:66 ° F.; Rain. Low:48 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:69 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:57 ° F.; Overcast. Low:41 ° F.;
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08:40 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977
08:40 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 45.3°F / 7.4°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.50in / 998.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Warmer. Highs 66 to 71. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 39 to 49. Winds west 15 (1 more message)
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09:40 <PovAddict_> Soul_keeper: good work :)
09:40 <PovAddict_> my turn to say it :)
09:40 <Soul_keeper> excellent :)
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12:13 <PovAddict> &math calc 2**32-1
12:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: 4294967295
12:14 <PovAddict> &math calc 3409888126.874574 * 0.01
12:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 34098881.2687
12:19 <Soul_keeper> how's that looking so far ?
12:20 <PovAddict> what does each value do?
12:20 <PovAddict> ohh buttons on the side
12:20 <Soul_keeper> :)
12:20 <Soul_keeper> yeah it's a feature boinc should have imo, just like the old seti driver app for windows
12:21 <Soul_keeper> I just gotta code the backend now
12:22 <Soul_keeper> I found the stuff in there for nice levels at start of the apps, two levels "idle" 19 and "medium" 10
12:22 <Soul_keeper> not much use for on the fly adjustments tho
12:22 <Soul_keeper> i'll have to think how I want to implement this
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13:30 * FreeLarry sees the soap and water guy hasn't been doing his censoring position and that nasty 4 letter W word showed to many times. so will put him to bed
13:30 <FreeLarry> tca
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13:31 <mweltin> hey
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13:41 <Turks> What, freelarry?
13:43 <MTughan> wb mweltin
13:46 <MTughan> 32nm Westmere processor samples have started going out to OEMs.
13:46 <PovAddict> Turks: "work" is a forbidden word here
13:47 <MTughan> Hmm... And it looks like AMD may not go to 32nm, but to 28nm.
13:48 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yeah, I messaged him. No telling what the ops would do if they see you saying that. ;)
13:48 <MTughan> Speaking of which...
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13:48 <MTughan> In here, he uses the ^ prefix, so he doesn't interfere with Rommie.
13:48 <PovAddict> huh
13:49 <PovAddict> you messaged who and I said what?
13:49 <MTughan> I think that's why xcamel and wdsmia didn't like him in here before...
13:49 <mweltin> hey MTughan, PovAddict
13:49 <MTughan> I messaged Turk, and you said the W word.
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16:01 <MTughan> ^part
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16:01 <MTughan> All right, well the prefix change still didn't impress. Okay.
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16:03 <Turks> Herro wdsmia_w
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16:16 <Soul_keeper> http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MzkwMDMsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE= pyshx on an i7 supposedly matching/passing a gpu ....
16:16 <MTughan> I wish they would make PhysX on the CPU multi-threaded...
16:18 <Soul_keeper> hmm isn't that supposed to be what that demo was ?
16:19 <MTughan> Maybe. I didn't look at it.
16:19 <MTughan> But PhysX only runs on one core if I try it on my C2Q.
16:19 <Soul_keeper> it is, they specifically mention hyperthreading and multiple cores
16:19 <MTughan> Well, maybe they have a dev version. I don't think the current version is threaded.
16:20 <Soul_keeper> this is something intel is showing off to fight physx might be nothing like it at the core, I wouldn't think it's cuda in anyway
16:21 <MTughan> So it's PhysX, or something like PhysX?
16:22 <Soul_keeper> not too sure, maybs "physics" is the better description for this demo
16:22 <Soul_keeper> maybe*
16:22 <Soul_keeper> "Infernal Physics engine running on Core i7 "
16:22 <MTughan> Yeah, so it's not PhysX.
16:25 <Turks> Physx is gpu level isn't it?
16:25 <MTughan> PPU, GPU or CPU. Depends on the hardware installed.
16:26 <MTughan> You can use an Ageia PhysX card (even with Nvidia's drivers), a CUDA compatible Nvidia GPU, or run it on the CPU.
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16:26 <Turks> Physx is really nice though, the demo is quite impressive
16:28 <Soul_keeper> as far as i'm concerned that demo shows that cpu's can more than hang with physics calculations, not a gpu only arena as they've been telling us the last year or two
16:29 <Turks> If the little demo applet impresses me, I'd love to see a mainstream game written specifically for physx
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17:21 <wdsmia> re-hi
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18:55 <KathrynM> tgif
18:56 <PovAddict> meh
18:58 <CoderForLife> hmm
18:58 <CoderForLife> performance tuning is a slow process
18:59 <PovAddict> ...the irony...
18:59 <CoderForLife> indeed
18:59 <CoderForLife> I'm spending a long time to make it go fast
19:00 <PovAddict> making fast code is a slow process, sure
19:00 <PovAddict> that's why there's so much slow and bloated software around
19:00 <PovAddict> people want to ship asap :P
19:00 <CoderForLife> you are so right
19:04 <CoderForLife> if I'm going to send this out to the world, I'd like it to be "right", or as "right" as I can make it
19:04 <CoderForLife> .. but that's just me ..
19:05 <PovAddict> it's The Right Thing
19:06 <CoderForLife> I sleep better
19:07 <CoderForLife> and I don't have to wait for version 3.0 for things to start being "ok"
19:07 <PovAddict> what a coincidence
19:07 <PovAddict> iPhone OS 3.0 adds support for oh-so-advanced features like:
19:07 <PovAddict> - copy and paste
19:07 <PovAddict> - search
19:08 <CoderForLife> yeah
19:08 <PovAddict> - ability to send email in horizontal mode (with the keyboard on a usable size)
19:08 <CoderForLife> I told Stephen about all that - he yawned
19:08 <PovAddict> afaik, PalmOS 1.0 had copy and paste, and system-wide search
19:09 <MTughan> Don't jailbroken iPhones have that too?
19:09 * CoderForLife smirks and nods
19:09 <PovAddict> MTughan: copy and paste? yes, there's a system hack for that
19:09 <PovAddict> Clippy
19:09 <CoderForLife> heh
19:09 <Turks> My crackberry when using the latest available software does
19:10 <Turks> I own a 7230
19:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: and there has been for a while a "bookmarklet" that lets you copy and paste between websites in Safari
19:12 <MTughan> Heh.
19:13 <PovAddict> uses some JS to let you select, and stores the selected text in a remote server
19:13 <MTughan> iPhone OS 3 also bring push notifications.
19:13 <PovAddict> Mail in 2.0 already has "push"; what 3.0 will have is an official way for 3rd party applications to show notifications
19:13 <PovAddict> which means "meh" for me since I don't even have an AppStore account
19:14 <PovAddict> zombie67: ping
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19:15 <XioNYC> All I ask of iPhony is that the next version resurrect the Newton's handwriting recognition. I hate the damn keyboard BS.
19:15 <PovAddict> handwriting with a finger?
19:16 * XioNYC nods
19:16 <XioNYC> If it could be done in 1994, why the hell not in 2009?
19:16 <PovAddict> newton didn't have a stylus?
19:16 <XioNYC> Stylus, fingertip... same thing.
19:16 <MTughan> Not quite.
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19:16 <PovAddict> no it's not
19:17 <MTughan> Handwriting with a stylus is more natural, because it can feel like a pen.
19:17 <MTughan> No one writes handwriting with their fingers.
19:17 <PovAddict> handwriting with a finger needs drawing BIG letters too
19:17 <Turks> The newton had a pen, I thought
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19:17 <zombie67> yo
19:17 <XioNYC> Fine, then - stroke recognition. ANYTHING is better than the keyboard that's already in use.
19:18 <PovAddict> iPhone can't use a pen; the screen just doesn't work that way
19:18 <PovAddict> hmm unless you put a piece of human skin on the top of the stylus
19:18 <PovAddict> s/top/tip/
19:18 <zombie67> iphone screen needs something having to do with the electric current in flesh
19:19 <PovAddict> "According to one source, Apple has been ordering netbook-class touchscreen panels. This is probably for the rumored iTablet or Macbook Touch."
19:19 <XioNYC> .o0( Decades upon decades of computing evolution and we're still stuck with QWERTY... *groan* )
19:19 <zombie67> 6.6.23 boinc CC keeps dying on my mac
19:19 <Turks> Or heat....
19:19 <MTughan> XioNYC: Because people are used to it. What would you propose?
19:19 <zombie67> finally had to downgrade to 6.6.20
19:19 <PovAddict> XioNYC: there are 3rd party apps (not in appstore) for dvorak and colemak keyboards
19:19 <PovAddict> I couldn't make them work :(
19:20 <XioNYC> MTughan: Handwriting or stroke recognition. Palm made million$ on Graffiti.
19:20 <PovAddict> also, the keyboard auto-corrections keep thinking you're using qwerty
19:20 <zombie67> pov: what?
19:20 <PovAddict> no, Palm lost thousands on graffiti
19:20 <XioNYC> PovAddict: It's not the layout that's the problem, so much as cramming a keyboard into 320 px wide space
19:20 <PovAddict> someone sued them for it, because of a patent
19:21 <MTughan> zombie67: Autocorrection would compare what you've typed to a QWERTY keyboard, looking for characters around those keys for actual words.
19:21 <PovAddict> so Palm had to make a whole new set of characters (Graffiti2) which *SUCKS*
19:21 <PovAddict> zombie67: do you have 64-bit linux boinc machines?
19:21 <XioNYC> Palm got plenty off of Graffiti - the whole series of Newton knock-offs (then "Palms") got started from it.
19:21 <zombie67> pov, I have one I could boot into. Why?
19:21 <XioNYC> (Yeah, Grffitti 2 sucked)
19:22 <PovAddict> if you don't have it handy, don't bother; I'll just go and try to compile a 32-bit version...
19:22 <MTughan> PovAddict: I have a 64-bit VM with BOINC I could use.
19:22 <zombie67> MT: why are you telling me about autocorrection?
19:22 <MTughan> zombie67: I thought that's what you were asking Pov about. "<zombie67> pov: what?"
19:22 <MTughan> I forgot he had flashed you.
19:23 <PovAddict> &grab MTughan
19:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
19:23 <MTughan> PovAddict: You need a 64-bit Linux with BOINC?
19:24 <zombie67> ah
19:29 <PovAddict> XioNYC: iPhone 2.0 has handwriting recognition for chinese
19:32 <XioNYC> PovAddict: Stroke recognition, really, but I reiterate - if it can be done for complex scripts, why not simple ones? (Roman/Latin, Cyrillic, etc)
19:32 <PovAddict> won't sell?
19:33 <XioNYC> There'll always be a keyboard (groan) to fall back on.
19:33 <PovAddict> I mean, they won't sell more by adding that feature :P
19:33 * XioNYC thinks it over
19:34 * XioNYC is not entirely convinced of the argument.
19:34 <PovAddict> you think they will?
19:34 <PovAddict> go tell Apple :)
19:34 <XioNYC> Apple never listens to me ;-(
19:34 <XioNYC> * sob *
19:34 <XioNYC> * sniffle *
19:35 * XioNYC blows nose
19:35 <XioNYC> eew...
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20:21 <CoderForLife> gn all
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20:22 <PovAddict> hey bigt0242000
20:22 <bigt0242000> hey! long time no see
20:29 <zombie67> ouch!: http://boincstats.com/forum/forum_thread.php?id=4451
20:29 <PovAddict> the idiots got hacked?
20:30 <PovAddict> lol
20:30 <PovAddict> I always knew freehal didn't really know what they were doing
20:30 <zombie67> repeatedly
20:31 <XioNYC> Just ****ing great >_<
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20:39 <zombie67> bbl
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21:15 <zombie67> pov or mt: I have a Q
21:15 <MTughan> K.
21:16 <zombie67> in order to have the same CPID across all projects, what must be the same on each account?
21:16 <MTughan> IIRC, the email and the password.
21:17 <zombie67> got it. so we all have the same email & password for all accounts, if we want our stats to line up
21:18 <zombie67> so if they got it for FreeHAL, they got it for all accounts
21:42 <jasong> Another thing you can do, I think, is to detach from FreeHAL until the problem is fixed and then change the password and maybe email on everything else
21:42 <jasong> Detach from it everywhere, including the BOINC helper sites
21:43 <jasong> errr, account manager sites
21:44 <PovAddict> password doesn't matter
21:44 <PovAddict> password should be the same for all projects if:
21:44 <PovAddict> - you usually forget passwords, so using the same is more practical :P
21:44 <PovAddict> or
21:44 <PovAddict> - you use BAM
21:45 <PovAddict> but it's irrelevant for CPIDs
21:48 <zombie67> so I could have the same CPID even if I have different passwords?
21:49 <PovAddict> yes, since projects don't know your password on other projects :P
21:49 <XioNYC> Actually, *no* password will do:
21:49 <PovAddict> and even the BOINC client doesn't know your password
21:49 <PovAddict> (it's used only when attaching)
21:50 <XioNYC> Let's say the security breach is exploited successfully. Would it be possible to get me [weak and/or strong] account key - the long hex string??
21:50 <zombie67> so only people who use BAM must have the same email+passwd?
21:50 <PovAddict> yes, definitely, your account key from FreeHAL would be accessible
21:50 <PovAddict> actually... hold on a minute
21:51 <XioNYC> ...and if so, then the exploiter would be able to get my mail address. And ask for a project to send the account key to the email porvider. And how many people have a different password for their email as they do for BOINC?
21:52 <PovAddict> I can't get your BOINC password
21:52 <PovAddict> without a bruteforce MD5 attack
21:52 <XioNYC> But the account key *is* the password.
21:52 <PovAddict> so I can't use it for your email, if you used the same
21:52 <XioNYC> Hmm.
21:53 <PovAddict> also, if someone gets access to somebody's email account, it's quite a bigger problem
21:53 <zombie67> the point: if you use BAM, then they all are the same, right? so they have access to ALL your BOINC accounts. Do I have that right?
21:53 <XioNYC> As I understand it, zombie67, yes.
21:53 <PovAddict> zombie67: yes, because using the *hashed* password, you can login to projects
21:53 <zombie67> got it
21:53 <PovAddict> however
21:53 <PovAddict> if someone gets access to the code signing key, and to the database
21:53 <PovAddict> instead of getting your BOINC password
21:54 <PovAddict> he could distribute a malicious app that installs a keylogger on your machine and gets your bank password
21:54 <XioNYC> Frell.
21:54 <PovAddict> probably keylogging isn't possible in all machines (= those with recent-enough BOINC) because of the client-side sandboxing, but still
21:55 <XioNYC> This vuln is vector-city.
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21:57 <zombie67> here is the problem: I cannot change my password at all accounts, since some no longer exist. So I have to stay with the one I currently have.
21:57 <zombie67> and I use BAM
21:57 <PovAddict> change your password on freehal before someone with bad intentions re-figures out how to get to freehal database
21:58 <zombie67> like I said, I can't. I use BAM
21:58 <PovAddict> remove freehal from BAM
21:58 <PovAddict> you *can* change your password on freehal alone, and then it will stop working on BAM
22:00 <zombie67> how about I just detach for now?
22:00 <PovAddict> that's something else you should do
22:00 <PovAddict> detach before someone with bad intentions re-figures out how to get to freehal database and puts a malicious app :)
22:02 <PovAddict> &math convert 900 megabytes to bytes
22:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: 900000000
22:02 <PovAddict> ...
22:02 <PovAddict> eh, it wil ldo
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22:48 <MTughan> <Shadow_Master> is anyone having fun with the power cords again?
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23:24 <zombie67> netsplit
23:58 <zombie67> ding! 1m in QMC