IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-04-18

00:13 <MTughan> What the... I just noticed: Flagfox says CAD is in Canada.

00:14 <MTughan> Yeah, Laval, Quebec. Odd.

00:36 <MTughan> Nickuwo: It looks like you lost a CSS stylesheet on user pages.

00:36 <MTughan> My home.php is all black, no green.

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03:49 <Tank_Master> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s9-nIzbUzU&fmt=22 <- great somg :)

03:49 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cstqew> (at www.youtube.com)

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05:06 <Soul_keeper> ok

05:32 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 64.2 F to C

05:32 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 17.8888888889

06:07 <Soul_keeper> Good Morning.

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06:28 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:28 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 43.3F / 6.3C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 5 to (1 more message)

06:28 <CoderForLife> &more

06:28 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Sunday - Showers likely in the morning...then occasional showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southeast in the afternoon. Chance of rain 80 percent.;

06:30 <CoderForLife> sorry about your bank Soul_keeper  http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1148821.html

06:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ck2k9e> (at www.kansascity.com)

06:30 <Soul_keeper> bummer

06:32 <Soul_keeper> there are like 5 other "sterling" banks/financial/construction/etc.  out there

06:33 <CoderForLife> you must be very wealthy - nice to have backup plans

06:33 <Soul_keeper> :)

06:34 <CoderForLife> time to make the weekly pilgrimage to the grocery store

06:34 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:35 <Soul_keeper> have fun

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07:54 <KathrynM> wow.  I saw a system at the store almost identical to mine.  1.77 million won.  That was only the tower.  I payed 1.1 million for mine, plus I got the monitor, a keyboard, a mouse and a cat5 cable.

07:55 <Soul_keeper> maybe you should sale yours for 1.76 million :)   then buy another one

07:56 <Soul_keeper> use the .6 million profit for pizza and stuff

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08:03 <KathrynM> lol

08:03 <KathrynM> mine has more ram than the one I saw.

08:04 <KathrynM> I have 4gigs, that one only had 4

08:04 <Soul_keeper> excellent

08:04 <KathrynM> came with XP Pro, but I wiped that off.

08:04 <KathrynM> Got Fedora 10 x64

08:04 <KathrynM> speaking of which, time to join #fedora and figure out why I can't sync with the time servers.

08:06 <Soul_keeper> you are a very wise person KathrynM :)

08:07 <KathrynM> Of course.

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08:38 <KathrynM> hmmmmmmm, the cat is under the bed having fun with a paper bag

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09:09 <Soul_keeper> :)

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10:21 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 000000007fee0000 octal to decimal

10:21 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: 000000007fee0000 is not a valid unit.

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10:41 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Not quite. ;)

10:41 <MTughan> &math 0x000000007fee0000

10:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 2146304000

10:41 <Soul_keeper> nice

10:42 <MTughan> I don't know if he does the same thing for octal.

10:42 <Soul_keeper> someone is having the exact same problem that KathrynM had with 3.2GB instead of 4  being seen

10:42 <Soul_keeper> KathrynM, did you ever fix that issue ?

10:42 <MTughan> 3.2GB RAM seen with 4GB installed?

10:42 <Soul_keeper> yes

10:42 <Soul_keeper> he apparently has the same mb as her

10:42 <MTughan> Sounds like 32-bit.

10:43 <Soul_keeper> &math 000000000009f400

10:43 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

10:43 <MTughan> You need to prefix it with 0x.

10:43 <MTughan> &math 017

10:43 <Romulus> MTughan: 15

10:44 <MTughan> Okay, so he does do octal.

10:44 <MTughan> &math 0b11

10:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

10:44 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x000000000009f400

10:44 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 652288

10:44 <MTughan> And maybe not binary.

10:44 <MTughan> &math b11

10:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)

10:44 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x000000000009f400

10:44 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 652288

10:45 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x00000000000a0000

10:45 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 655360

10:45 <MTughan> &base 16 000000000009f400

10:45 <Romulus> MTughan: 652288

10:45 <MTughan> Hmm, that works too. :P

10:45 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x00000000000f0000

10:45 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 983040

10:45 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x0000000000100000

10:45 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 1048576

10:45 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x0000000000100000

10:45 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 1048576

10:45 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x000000007fee0000

10:45 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 2146304000

10:45 <Soul_keeper> ok :)

10:46 <MTughan> &base 8 17

10:46 <Romulus> MTughan: 15

10:46 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x00000000cbfb0000

10:46 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 3422224384

10:46 <MTughan> &base 2 11

10:46 <Romulus> MTughan: 3

10:46 <Soul_keeper> &math 0x0000000000100000

10:46 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 1048576

10:46 <MTughan> You know you've entered that number 3 times now?

10:47 <Soul_keeper> lol

10:47 <Soul_keeper> no, just really close :)

10:47 <Soul_keeper> comparing that guy's bios ram map to mine

10:47 <MTughan> Ah.

10:47 <Soul_keeper> http://pastebin.com/m3a2e2ab7

10:47 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

10:47 <Soul_keeper> <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 3422224384

10:47 <Soul_keeper> he has 4GB  but that's what is being seen

10:48 <Soul_keeper> gotta find out what KathrynM did

10:48 <MTughan> &math convert 3422224384 bytes to GiB

10:48 <Romulus> MTughan: 3.18719482422

10:48 <MTughan> Yeah, so just under 3.2GB...

10:48 <MTughan> And that's what's seen by his MB?

10:49 <MTughan> What MB and CPU is it?

10:50 <Soul_keeper> not too sure

10:51 <Soul_keeper> I just know it's   asrock,  and KathrynM's was asrock as well

10:51 <Soul_keeper> they are both using 64-bit linux and seeing 3.2GB

10:58 <KathrynM> I think it's the mobo Soul_keeper

10:58 <Soul_keeper> did you try upgrading the bios yet ?

10:58 <KathrynM> nope, never done that before and I'm afraid to

10:58 <MTughan> KathrynM: What model is it?

10:59 <KathrynM> I'll have to dig it out later.  I've got a migraine starting and all I want to do is pop a Zomig and some Compazine.

10:59 <KathrynM> ttyl

10:59 <MTughan> Bye.

10:59 <Soul_keeper> :)

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11:49 <Waldir> Hi everyone. I just installed the boinc manager on ubuntu using synaptic, but I got a message saying there's an update available; However, I downloaded the .sh script from the site but I don't know how to execute it. doubleclick seemed to do nothing, and ./ in the command line didnt work either (obs. I'm a newbie in linux, only twoo weeks now) can someone help me?

11:49 <MTughan> Waldir: The sh from the site just extracts another folder called BOINC into the directory where the script was, if you double-clicked.

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11:50 <Waldir> oh!

11:50 <Waldir> lol

11:50 <Waldir> let me check

11:50 <MTughan> If you don't really know what to do with the stuff in that directory, it's probably a good idea to just wait until Ubuntu has an updated package.

11:51 <Waldir> the script is in the desktop but I see no folder named boinc there. then igain, I'm not sure the script was executed

11:51 <Waldir> *again

11:51 <MTughan> The only major difference between the latest version from Synaptic (6.2.19) and the latest stable (6.4.5 or 6.6.23) is that the later versions include GPU crunching.

11:52 <MTughan> The only reason you need an upgrade right now is if you want to use BOINC on your graphics card.

11:52 <Waldir> oh

11:52 <Waldir> I guess not then

11:52 <MTughan> Berkeley also has quite a few bugs in the current versions, and the scheduler hasn't quite worked right since 6.2.x.

11:53 <MTughan> Which is probably why Ubuntu is holding off on a repackage.

11:53 <Waldir> that's only for nvidia cards right? or something like that, i recalled reading in the site

11:53 <MTughan> Yes, it is.

11:53 <Waldir> Ok, I'll keep this one then

11:53 <Waldir> thanks for the help :)

11:53 <MTughan> It'll be extended to ATI cards, but it'll be a couple months before that.

11:53 <MTughan> np

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12:28 <Waldir> MTughan: if I close the boinc manager, does the client still keep running?

12:28 <MTughan> Yes.

12:28 <Waldir> is it viewable in the system monitor?

12:28 <MTughan> Should be.

12:28 <MTughan> Actually, there is a chance it might not keep running, depending on how it was started.

12:29 <Waldir> I did install the client before the manager, not sure how this affects the way the client is started..

12:30 <MTughan> You close the BOINC Manager, and the client shuts down too?

12:30 <MTughan> It should be viewable in the system monitor under "boinc", possibly under a different user.

12:31 <Waldir> that's what i was trying to find out, since in the system monitor the only process starting with "boinc" is the boincmgr

12:31 <MTughan> I'd check myself, but I just shut down my Ubuntu comp for packing.

12:31 <Soul_keeper> the manager is supposed to shut down the client (pops up a window that says it will) assuming you use the exit menu,  but if you kill the manager by just hitting the X or using your task manager the client should still keep running

12:31 <MTughan> Yeah, so it's probably under a different user.

12:31 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: IIRC, Ubuntu adds a startup item for BOINC>

12:31 <Soul_keeper> ok

12:31 <Waldir> oh wait. I edited the preferences to not run the client while I'm using the pc, let me reset that

12:32 <MTughan> lol

12:32 <Waldir> :$

12:32 <MTughan> That shouldn't shut down the client though, just stop work.

12:32 <Waldir> uh... what's the icon for the blushed face?

12:32 <Waldir> lol

12:32 <Waldir> ok it's now set for running while the pc is in use too

12:33 <MTughan> Well, if you're looking for the "boinc" daemon, that won't affect it. If you're looking at CPU usage, then that setting would affect it.

12:33 <Waldir> indeed I see everything at 100% now

12:33 <MTughan> While the manager is closed?

12:34 <Waldir> no, i didnt close it yet. I'll try now

12:34 <Waldir> yup, keeps running

12:36 <Waldir> funny thing, I have "cpu freq. scaling monitor" for each of my 2 cpus and both are at 50%, while the system monitor registers both at 100%

12:36 <Waldir> i doubt this has anything to do with boinc though

12:37 <Soul_keeper> I don't think that stuff works right

12:37 <Waldir> i think it used to work fine until now. of maybe i never payed close attention to it

12:37 <Soul_keeper> atleast I remember it not working with older boinc versions, seems alright with 6.6.20 tho ..

12:37 <MTughan> Waldir: Could be that if your CPUs are scaled down to 50% of their frequency, they're crunching only at 50% of their capacity, while system monitor just sees them both in full usage.

12:38 <Waldir> Soul_keeper: wait, what exactly are you talking about when you said "that stuff"

12:38 <Waldir> MTughan: I didn't get it...

12:39 <Soul_keeper> Waldir, being able to set a % of cpu to use

12:39 <Waldir> Soul_keeper: ah ok. that worked in windows last time i checked :)

12:40 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: You mean BOINC's use % of CPU?

12:40 <Soul_keeper> yeah the throttling or whatever

12:40 <MTughan> That's always worked, it's just never worked quite right with project applications because of its method...

12:40 <Soul_keeper> ahh

12:41 <Soul_keeper> i've only ever tryed  it twice, for a combined effort of maybe 10min over 3yrs

12:41 <Soul_keeper> :)

12:42 <Waldir> MTughan: when you said "scaled down to 50% of their frequency", did you mean deliberately?

12:42 <MTughan> Or unintentionally.

12:42 <MTughan> Linux's scaling frequency doesn't take BOINC into account because of the nice level BOINC runs applications at.

12:42 <Waldir> I can set the frequency I want the cpus to run with those monitor widgets, but they're both set to "on demand"

12:43 <Waldir> MTughan: oh, ok

12:43 <Waldir> that is beyond my knowledge I guess :)

12:43 <MTughan> Yeah, because BOINC runs applications at the lowest priority, which Linux ignores when scaling.

12:43 <Waldir> interesting

12:44 <MTughan> It does that so that BOINC doesn't slow down your applications, but it has that side effect.

12:45 <Waldir> for some reason my laptop's fan starts working furiously after a having the processors at 100% for a few minutes. it didnt use to to that :( I guess that despite the low priority, I'll have to set boinc to run only when the pc's idle...

12:45 <Waldir> just because the noice annoys me :P

12:45 <Waldir> *noise

12:45 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: You have experience. :P

12:46 <Soul_keeper> heh

12:46 <Soul_keeper> is this an amd cpu ?

12:46 <Waldir> Soul_keeper: are you asking me?

12:47 <Soul_keeper> yes

12:47 <Waldir> intel centrino duo

12:47 <Waldir> not a great one I guess, I never paid much attention to these :P

12:47 <MTughan> Sounds like a Core Duo or Core 2 Duo then.

12:48 <Soul_keeper> ok nm then,  was just listening to someone else earlier talking about   powernowd   adding "-n"  apparently makes it register nice processes  (doesn't throttle the cpu up from boinc otherwise)

12:48 <Waldir> i think it's just core duo

12:48 <Waldir> 2 CPUs, each is a T2050 @ 1.60GHz (according to the system monitor)

12:49 <Soul_keeper> nice

12:49 <MTughan> Yes, it's a Core Duo, Yonah.

12:49 <MTughan> I had a similar model in my first MacBook.

12:50 <Waldir> yonah?

12:50 <MTughan> Yonah's the codename for the core.

12:50 <Waldir> oh lol

12:50 <Waldir> ok :)

12:50 <MTughan> The current 45nm Core 2 Duo laptop processors are named Penryn.

12:50 <MTughan> The current Core i7 processors are named Bloomfield IIRC.

12:50 <Waldir> funny, i never heard of that

13:01 <Soul_keeper> my cpu almost got too hot for comfort yesterday,  it hit over 80F in my house and the cpu temp shot up to  68C

13:01 <Soul_keeper> I hate summertime

13:02 <Soul_keeper> almost that time

13:27 <Tank_Master> Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2050 - SL9BN

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13:55 <MTughan> Back in a couple hours. Packing up the laptops now.

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14:47 <Tank_Master> of the 4 ABC WUs compleated so far, looks like I can get about 1150 RAC off the ATOM at 1.8GHz in 64bit mode

14:47 <Tank_Master> RAM is runing at 600MHz dual channle

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14:53 <michael_w> is there a problem with POEM-server?

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14:57 <Tank_Master> dunno, why do you think there is?

14:58 <michael_w> i have here: Temporarily failed upload of data_382_1239436579_80968596_1_1: HTTP error

14:58 <michael_w> and no work units

14:58 <Tank_Master> ahh, then it might be, have you tried to restart BOINC and try uploading again?

14:59 <Tank_Master> poem's server staus sais everything is fine

14:59 <Tank_Master> http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/server_status.php

14:59 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at boinc.fzk.de)

14:59 <michael_w> i know, the server is running

15:00 <michael_w> but, i can not upload

15:00 <Tank_Master> try restarting BOINC or even the comp

15:01 <Tank_Master> anywho, i g2g, ill bbl

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15:43 <Tank_Master> brb

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16:07 <Tank_Master> atom now at 155 fsb

16:07 <Tank_Master> 1.88 GHz

16:11 <Soul_keeper> I thought you said 150 was unstable ?

16:11 <Soul_keeper> did you find a 1/5th pci divider ?

16:12 <Soul_keeper> 38.75 = pci bus with 1/4th

16:12 <Soul_keeper> might have to hit 165 before a 1/5th would kick in, if it even exists

16:13 <Soul_keeper> so that could mean instability between a certain range

16:14 <Soul_keeper> 166 fsb would give you about 2GHz  right ?  :)

16:16 <Tank_Master> wont post at 166

16:16 <Tank_Master> zombie couldnt get his stable at 150

16:16 <Tank_Master> I could

16:16 <Tank_Master> ran it all night at 150

16:16 <Tank_Master> PCI is locked at 33, so no wories there

16:18 <Tank_Master> 160FSB would be 2GHz

16:18 <Tank_Master> I havent messed with the voltages yet

16:19 <Soul_keeper> is that the 945 chipset ?

16:19 <Tank_Master> yeah

16:20 <Tank_Master> im hoping to get 1200 RAC out of this when I get donw OCing

16:20 <Soul_keeper> ok that's what I got in a c2d system,  just slightly modified for your atom.  so the locked pci bus would make sense (i got one)

16:20 <Tank_Master> I dont know if I can unlock it :P its locked at 33MHz

16:21 <Soul_keeper> yeah I was thinking 845 or whatever that P4 chipset used to be

16:21 <Tank_Master> I was getting about 2500 RAC off my core2duo 6600

16:21 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

16:22 <Tank_Master> yo yoyo

16:22 <Soul_keeper> hello

16:22 <yoyo[RKN]> is the freehal security problem solved?

16:22 <Tank_Master> yeah

16:22 <Tank_Master> need tyo reattach to the project though

16:22 <Soul_keeper> I saw a post on a forum saying everyone had to reattach to that project

16:22 <Tank_Master> they sent me 2 e-mails about it

16:22 <yoyo[RKN]> reset is not enough?

16:22 <Tank_Master> no

16:23 <Tank_Master> that wont get the new key

16:23 <Tank_Master> just wipes the files in the project dir

16:23 <yoyo[RKN]> .oO(...searching the frehal laptop ...)Oo.

16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> no jobs available

16:26 <Soul_keeper> yoyo[RKN], is the source code for the distributed.net screen saver GPL ?

16:27 <PovAddict> freehal seems ignorant about how boinc works too... afaik, the app doesn't use 100% CPU yet they aren't a "non-cpu-intensive" project

16:27 <PovAddict> so, security or no security, I'm personally not attaching

16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> my screensaver?

16:29 <Soul_keeper> is that yours ?

16:29 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

16:29 <Soul_keeper> nice

16:29 <yoyo[RKN]> it is the same for distrbuted.net, muon and evo

16:30 <Soul_keeper> Can I have a look at the source ?    http://http.distributed.net/pub/dcti/source/pub-20090127.tar.gz    is it in here ?

16:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/csfcvb> (at http.distributed.net)

16:30 <PovAddict> yoyo can't put stuff into distributed.net website...

16:30 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

16:31 <yoyo[RKN]> don't know if distributed.net has an own

16:31 <Soul_keeper> ahh

16:31 <PovAddict> have you released the code for yours?

16:31 <Soul_keeper> I was just looking to study some opengl code similar to that

16:32 <yoyo[RKN]> no source is not released

16:32 <yoyo[RKN]> think there is an openGL example in the boinc samples

16:32 <Soul_keeper> that's ok, I have something similar with stars n' all in a project of my own already

16:33 <Soul_keeper> think my globe spins tho ...

16:33 <yoyo[RKN]> there is only an image and some bouncing boxes

16:33 <yoyo[RKN]> in my screensaver

16:34 <PovAddict> I have a new hard disk

16:34 <PovAddict> I'm copying data from old to new at like 50MB/s <3

16:37 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

16:37 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 10:20 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:62 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:37 F.; Clear. High:59 F.; Clear. Low:35 F.; Clear. High:68 F.; Clear. Low:37 F.;

16:37 <yoyo[RKN]> brrrrr

16:37 <Soul_keeper> Is cpdn the kind of project that can be coded to run on gpu's ?   I havn't heard anything on that one

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16:39 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: maybe, but it would take years to make it work

16:39 <PovAddict> CPDN code is Fortran code that has been in development for decades

16:40 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

16:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 67.3F / 19.6C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Patchy morning clouds...otherwise mostly sunny. Highs 65 to 70. North wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s to mid 40s. North wind 5 to 10 mph becoming light overnight.; Sunday - Sunny. Highs (1 more message)

16:40 <Tank_Master> &more

16:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: around 75. Light wind becoming north 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.;

16:40 <Soul_keeper> ahhh ic

16:41 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

16:41 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 87.1F / 30.6C | Humidity: 21% | Pressure: 29.41in / 995.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Today - Sunny and warm. Highs 80 to 85. Light winds.; Tonight - Clear. Lows 49 to 59. Light winds.; Sunday - Sunny and very warm. Highs 88 to 93. Breezy with east winds 15 mph with gusts to 25 mph in the afternoon.;

16:41 <Soul_keeper> :)

16:43 <Soul_keeper> Sunny and very warm + Breezy      does that mean I win ?

16:44 <Tank_Master> depends on the humidity

16:44 <Tank_Master> though 80 and 20% aint bad

16:44 <Tank_Master> still a bit warm for my taste

16:45 <Soul_keeper> digital thermometer in my house says   78 and 28%

16:45 <Soul_keeper> yeah yoyo[RKN] wins,  that's overclocking weather

16:46 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

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16:51 <Soul_keeper> now wait a minute, if the polar bears can't live in alaska anymore cause it's getting to hot .....   can't we just relocate them to antartica ?

16:53 <Tank_Master> no

16:53 <Tank_Master> that wouldnt be nateral

16:53 <Tank_Master> they would die cus they wouldnt know what to do....

16:54 <Tank_Master> :P

16:54 <Soul_keeper> we could throw some walrusses and penquins down there with them so they feel at home

16:54 <Tank_Master> but the snow is make with different watter...

16:54 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:55 <Soul_keeper> figures, always an excuse to a solution

16:55 <Tank_Master> its all man's fault

16:56 <Tank_Master> havent you been watching the news? :D

16:56 <Soul_keeper> they just want you to buy their products that are assosciated with "the movement"

16:57 <Tank_Master> I was some dumbass report the other day saying they we need to cut the global greenhouse emmisions by 70% to avert disaster

16:57 <Soul_keeper> like that's gonna happen ...

16:58 <Soul_keeper> we'll use up all the oil, then start burning coal in are suv's

16:58 <Soul_keeper> we'll just have to wear masks outside

16:58 <Tank_Master> I was thinking... so how to you plan on buuilding a CO2 scrubber for volcanoes that can withstand the blast?

16:58 <Soul_keeper> they are pumping co2 emissions back into the ground, and "carbonating" sea water with them now

16:59 <Soul_keeper> lol

16:59 <Tank_Master> and why dont you have the forest fire fighters, you know, put *out* a firest fire *before* they grow big?

16:59 <Tank_Master> that would cut back on the co2 emmisions right there

17:00 <Tank_Master> plus youd have more trees to convert it back to o2

17:00 <Soul_keeper> I got no problem blaiming everyone for everything, i'm just not seeing anyone with any kind of solution to anything ...

17:00 <PovAddict> do you?

17:00 <Soul_keeper> :)

17:00 <Tank_Master> I thought blaming others *was* the solution

17:00 <Soul_keeper> it might be

17:00 <Tank_Master> :)

17:01 <Soul_keeper> here in california they just blame the fires on the electric companies and budget problems

17:02 <Soul_keeper> ohh and evil smokers

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17:09 <Soul_keeper> wow they are chatting 100mph in the big channels, hurts my brain just to watch

17:10 <PovAddict> 100 messages per hour doesn't look like much

17:11 <PovAddict> :D

17:11 <Tank_Master> yeah, but when you have 100 people...

17:11 <Soul_keeper> now that's an idea, could actually calculate such stats

17:13 <Soul_keeper> 310 lines per hour in ##slackware

17:13 <Tank_Master> o0

17:13 <Tank_Master> thos slackers

17:14 <Soul_keeper> 126  here   counting joins/parts/etc

17:14 <Tank_Master> lol

17:14 <Soul_keeper> 3 lines in my channel :)

17:14 <Tank_Master> so we just need more people to leave and join

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17:17 <Tank_Master> http://abcathome.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=83826

17:17 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/clfsr6> (at abcathome.com)

17:17 <Tank_Master> if I did that cirrect, that should be my atom

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17:22 <Tank_Master> 4/18/2009 2:22:17 PM   662 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU

17:23 <Tank_Master> 4/18/2009 2:22:17 PM   2010 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

17:23 <PovAddict> lol

17:23 <PovAddict> 662?

17:23 <Tank_Master> remember, it runs 4 threads at once for the test

17:23 <PovAddict> well yeah, it's "per CPU"

17:24 <Tank_Master> then devides by 4

17:24 <Tank_Master> hold on, lemme close out some stuff and do it again

17:25 <Tank_Master> 4/18/2009 2:25:24 PM   693 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU

17:26 <Tank_Master> 4/18/2009 2:25:24 PM   2098 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

17:26 <Tank_Master> lil better

17:32 <Tank_Master> now why does BOINC only see 3.3GB ram?

17:32 <Tank_Master> yet windows sees 4GB?

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17:43 <Tank_Master> wb

17:46 <Tank_Master> ill brb

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19:27 <Tank_Master> woot atom 2 has arrived

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19:51 <Soul_keeper> you bought 2 of them ?

19:51 <Soul_keeper> both exactely the same ?

19:51 <Soul_keeper> what version of boinc did you use to run that benchmark Tank_Master ?

19:52 <Soul_keeper> i'll run it on my Eee so we can compare, you should beat that

19:53 <Tank_Master> I didnt

19:53 <Tank_Master> 6.23

19:53 <Tank_Master> x64

19:53 <Tank_Master> for win

19:53 <Tank_Master> x64

19:54 <Tank_Master> and no, they arent both the same

19:54 <Soul_keeper> <Tank_Master> 4/18/2009 2:25:24 PM     693 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU

19:54 <Soul_keeper> <Tank_Master> 4/18/2009 2:25:24 PM     2098 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

19:54 <Soul_keeper> ok what was that then ?

19:54 <Tank_Master> the second one is a standard intel mobo, single channle ddr2

19:54 <Tank_Master> i got it to put in a system and sell off for extra $$

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19:55 <Soul_keeper> speak real slow for me, i'm getting confused here

19:55 <Tank_Master> I got 2 atom comps...

19:55 <Tank_Master> one to sell

19:56 <Tank_Master> the other to keep

19:56 <Tank_Master> the one I am selling only has a single ram slot, the one I am keeping has 2

19:56 <Soul_keeper> 666 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU

19:56 <Tank_Master> yeah

19:56 <Soul_keeper> 984 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

19:56 <Soul_keeper> that's on my Eee

19:57 <Soul_keeper> 900Mhz celeron single core no HT

19:57 <Tank_Master> wow, thats a slow int comparied to mine...

19:57 <Soul_keeper> yeah

19:59 <Tank_Master> I do like that win7 has built in support to burn ISO files

19:59 <PovAddict> lol

20:00 <Soul_keeper> here are my athlon 2000+ xp  results

20:00 <PovAddict> that's like saying iPhone 3.0 has copy and paste

20:00 <Soul_keeper> 1595 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU

20:00 <Soul_keeper> 2336 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

20:00 <PovAddict> they shouldn't be proud it's supported, they should be ashamed they took so long

20:00 <Soul_keeper> those are both 32-bit systems of course

20:01 <Tank_Master> it took so long cus of the friking anti copyright laws

20:01 <Tank_Master> some groups feered that if MS supported burning ISO and that would increase piracy

20:01 <PovAddict> what does anti-copyright have to do with raw burning of ISO9660 data?

20:01 <PovAddict> lol yeah right

20:02 <Tank_Master> same reason they cant bundly an antivirus with the OS

20:02 <PovAddict> no, that's because it would be anti-competitive

20:02 <Tank_Master> depends on how you look at it

20:02 <PovAddict> they claim they'd get antivirus monopoly

20:02 * Soul_keeper leaves

20:03 <Tank_Master> ms isnt doing it for the busness

20:03 <Tank_Master> they are doing it to secure the PC

20:03 <Tank_Master> theres a difference there

20:06 <XioNYC> Apple's redefinition of "Feature" is anything that could/should have been in the current version but is postponed until the next one.

20:06 <XioNYC> It's one of the reasons I've given up on Cupertino.

20:08 <Tank_Master> they also consider a bug release a new OS warenting you to buy a new box

20:10 <XioNYC> That's the classical M$ approach.

20:11 <Tank_Master> o0

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20:11 <Tank_Master> you dont pay for SPs in windows

20:11 <XioNYC> You don't pay for SP-equivalents on OS X, either.

20:12 <PovAddict> and OS X releases half a dozen SPs

20:13 <XioNYC> Once upon a time, you didn't have to pay for full upgrades from Mac OS... You could go from System 6.0 to 7.5 for free.  I miss those days.

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20:43 <zombie67> TM?

20:43 <Romulus> TM is selling a bunch, zombie67

20:49 <zombie67> MT?

20:49 <Romulus> MT is right, zombie67

20:49 <PovAddict> MTughan is MIA

20:50 <zombie67> ah

20:50 <zombie67> okay

20:53 <Tank_Master> ib

20:55 <zombie67> tank!

20:55 <zombie67> so, I can OC to 145.

20:55 <zombie67> but if I go to 150, my ethernet connection drops

20:55 <Tank_Master> im at 155 on mine atm

20:55 <Tank_Master> have you tried puting in a pci nic?

20:56 <zombie67> no room

20:56 <Tank_Master> ahh

20:56 <zombie67> still, 145 is better than stock 133

20:56 <Tank_Master> yep

20:57 <CoderForLife> &any xcam_mac

20:57 <Romulus> CoderForLife: xcam_mac was last seen in #boinc 21 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: *** xcam_mac has quit IRC (Client Quit)

20:57 <CoderForLife> &any xcamel

20:57 <Romulus> CoderForLife: xcamel was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: *** xcamel has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection)

20:57 <Tank_Master> howdy CFL

20:57 <CoderForLife> hey Tank_Master

20:57 <CoderForLife> &any quail

20:57 <Romulus> CoderForLife: quail was last seen in #boinc 15 hours, 54 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: *** quail has quit IRC (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

20:57 <Tank_Master> &any god

20:57 <Romulus> Tank_Master: I have not seen god.

20:58 <Tank_Master> heh

20:58 <CoderForLife> Thank The Maker

20:59 <CoderForLife> I guess in the case of C-3PO that was Anakin

20:59 <CoderForLife> &seen quail

20:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: quail was last seen in #boinc 3 weeks, 0 days, 9 hours, 37 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <quail> hiya ladies

20:59 <CoderForLife> &seen sethy

20:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: sethy was last seen in #boinc 3 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <sethy> hais

21:04 <CoderForLife> &seen AthlonRob

21:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: AthlonRob was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 7 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <AthlonRob> Adios, thanks for the fun

21:05 <Tank_Master> &seen tsper

21:05 <Romulus> Tank_Master: tsper was last seen in #boinc 2 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <TSPer> pong

21:07 <wdsmia> tsper was last kicked in #boinc 2 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 43 seconds ago:

21:08 <Tank_Master> shoulda said that a second later :P

21:11 <CoderForLife> &lastkickedbywdsmia TSPer

21:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Are you daft?

21:11 <Tank_Master> well duh

21:11 <CoderForLife> &any yangpp

21:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: yangpp was last seen in #boinc 6 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: *** yangpp has joined #boinc

21:12 <CoderForLife> &any arfmarf

21:12 <Romulus> CoderForLife: arfmarf was last seen in #boinc 6 hours, 54 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: *** arfmarf has joined #boinc

21:13 <CoderForLife> well - the left eye is shutting down

21:13 <CoderForLife> gn folks

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22:14 <Tank_Master> gn cfl

22:15 <efc> Moo

22:20 <Tank_Master> howdy

22:37 <efc> Wow. I could get a 12" diameter, 1 foot long aluminum bar

22:37 <efc> Not sure what its for but sounds cool! $734

23:00 <PovAddict> anyone got an Iptables For Dummies tutorial?

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23:00 <MTughan> Google?

23:00 <Romulus> Somebody said Google is extraordinarly unhelpful, MTughan

23:01 <PovAddict> I simply want to block some IPs, preferably from a script

23:01 <gleaken> Any idea how long the DB will be down, I didn't find an ETA on the stie

23:01 <gleaken> site

23:01 <PovAddict> gleaken: what site, what DB?

23:02 <MTughan> gleaken: What project?

23:02 <gleaken> Sorry, Seti

23:02 <gleaken> I keep forgetting it isn't just seti anymore

23:02 <PovAddict> aliens broke it

23:02 <gleaken> haha

23:03 <gleaken> I assume we received their version of Brittany Spears and it broke the receiver?  No offense to any Brittany lovers out there...

23:03 <PovAddict> MTughan: iptables is very flexible

23:03 <MTughan> No idea. Nothing about it on any of their news.

23:03 <PovAddict> which naturally means it's very complex

23:03 <gleaken> yeah, and we can't get into the forums, so......

23:03 <gleaken> I wanted to burn in a comp with it, but I guess I will have to wait

23:04 <MTughan> I'll check some other news sites.

23:04 <gleaken> ok, thanks

23:04 <gleaken> where else would you check

23:04 <gleaken> ?

23:04 <PovAddict> I just posted on Eric Korpela's facebook wall :P

23:04 <MTughan> I'm checking BOINCStats ATM.

23:05 <gleaken> hmm, interesting, didn't know about them

23:05 <MTughan> "Our boinc mysql database crashed last night. We are down for database table repairs. "

23:06 <PovAddict> source?

23:06 <Romulus> Somebody said source is the better way, PovAddict

23:06 * PovAddict sits on Romulus

23:06 <MTughan> Our boinc mysql database crashed last night. We are down for database table repairs.

23:06 <gleaken> MTughan, what thread did you find that in?

23:06 <MTughan> Damn you C&P!

23:06 <MTughan> http://boincstats.com/

23:06 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager - Detailed user, host, team and country statistics with charts for BOINC. (at boincstats.com)

23:06 <MTughan> I hit the stupid C, and it doesn't copy... Grr...

23:07 <PovAddict> "Firewalls and IPTables for n00bs" this will do

23:07 <gleaken> I see, right on the main page, thanks

23:08 <gleaken> hmm, that post is not listed on the Seti page, but listed there, hmmm

23:08 <MTughan> Yeah, I saw that...

23:09 <MTughan> If you look at the date on that, that was at least 24 hours ago.

23:09 <gleaken> yeah

23:09 <MTughan> Possibly that was fixed, but another problem arose? I have no idea.

23:09 <gleaken> if the DB is fubar, who knows what is getting served and what is valid

23:09 <PovAddict> news aren't in the DB

23:09 <gleaken> MTughan, do you use CUDA for the client or know anyone who does?

23:10 <MTughan> I don't, I don't have a compatible card.

23:10 <gleaken> PovAddict, ok, who knows then

23:10 <gleaken> Anyone use CUDA for SETI?

23:10 <MTughan> Tank_Master does, I believe zombie67 does as well.

23:11 <PovAddict> I just found a nice tutorial... </sarcasm>

23:11 <gleaken> zombie67 and Tank_Master, what are your experiences with CUDA? Did you pick up the card for that or for other reasons, do you use the GeForce line or the Quadro line?

23:11 <PovAddict> it's over three hundred pages if printed

23:11 <PovAddict> if that's the tutorial, wonder what the reference manual is like

23:11 <gleaken> How does 3d applications control who gets access to the GPU?

23:12 <MTughan> &seen Tank_Master

23:12 <Romulus> MTughan: Tank_Master was last seen in #boinc 51 minutes and 48 seconds ago: <Tank_Master> howdy

23:12 <MTughan> &seen zombie67

23:12 <Romulus> MTughan: zombie67 was last seen in #boinc 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <zombie67> still, 145 is better than stock 133

23:12 <MTughan> They may not be at their computers right now.

23:13 <gleaken> no worries.  I was wondering if anyone used it on Linux, specifically Ubuntu 8.10 and how it works with Compiz

23:13 <MTughan> Tank_Master wouldn't run it on Linux, he's a Windows only guy. Not sure about zombie67.

23:13 <PovAddict> probably slows it down :P

23:13 <PovAddict> zombie67 has Win and Mac only now

23:13 <gleaken> ok

23:13 <MTughan> Does Soul_keeper run CUDA?

23:14 <PovAddict> and his Linux machines were exclusive for BOINCing, so I think he didn't have fancy things like compiz

23:15 <gleaken> if you can run one or the other, how do you differenciate between Compiz and a 3d app, because that is all it is?  Gotcha, but you never know.  If he uses a gui at all, which he would have to to run CUDA, he may run compiz, but you never know

23:15 <gleaken> I like being on the cutting edge, but not that much, I would at least like one "it works for me" before I jump in. especially with the one or the other, games or CUDA app rumour

23:16 <PovAddict> yes, no difference between compiz and a 3D game really

23:16 <PovAddict> in this context

23:17 <gleaken> agreed, that is what I am trying to figure out, if you can run both, then I am all in, if not, then, I have to think about it.

23:17 <PovAddict> I think it will cause a slowdown

23:17 <gleaken> I would need to make sure all desktop effects are turned off before starting up BOINC

23:17 <gleaken> Too bad CUDA can't run on 7xxx series

23:18 <PovAddict> on Windows, BOINC even has an option to automatically detect when specific apps are running (like wow.exe, World Of Warcraft) and stop processing...

23:18 <gleaken> I have a couple laying around I could play with

23:18 <zombie67> backl

23:18 <PovAddict> made for 3D apps

23:18 <zombie67> let me catch up

23:18 <PovAddict> zombie67: summary: can you run CUDA and 3D apps at the same time?

23:18 <gleaken> and what about in linux with Compiz running?

23:19 <gleaken> since Compiz uses the 3d capabilities of the gfx card in the system.

23:19 <PovAddict> so do videogames... it's the same thing for this purpose

23:19 <zombie67> pov:  I don't know.  I run CUDA only on dedicated crunchers

23:19 <PovAddict> there you go

23:19 <gleaken> Win or Linux?

23:19 <zombie67> XP64

23:19 <gleaken> ahh

23:19 <gleaken> what about vista?

23:19 <zombie67> Tank_Master uses vista

23:19 <gleaken> vista has that aero

23:20 <zombie67> he also plays games

23:20 <gleaken> I know you can turn it off

23:20 <zombie67> so he would be a good person to ask

23:20 * PovAddict pokes Tank_Master with a CUDA-enabled stick

23:20 <gleaken> ok, yes he would.  Thanks zombie67 for the info

23:20 <zombie67> FYI, default is now that CUDA tasks suspend, when computer is in use

23:20 <gleaken> BTW, how did you stumble across xp64?  that is a rare beast

23:20 <PovAddict> heh

23:21 <zombie67> I needed 64 bit for abc

23:21 <zombie67> that was the only OS at the time

23:21 <zombie67> pre-vista

23:21 <gleaken> abc?

23:21 <Romulus> abc is loading the core it's running on, gleaken

23:21 <MTughan> ABC@home.

23:21 <zombie67> abc@home

23:21 <MTughan> http://abcathome.com/

23:21 <Romulus> Title: ABC@home (at abcathome.com)

23:21 <zombie67> jinx

23:21 <gleaken> ohh, I haven't heard of that one, tocha

23:21 <MTughan> Yeah, but I gave the link. :P

23:22 <gleaken> hmm interesting

23:22 <gleaken> you didn't think of Linux for 64 bit?

23:22 <zombie67> there are a few projects that run much faster under 64 bit

23:22 <gleaken> agreed

23:23 <gleaken> for things it is needed for it is a wonderful thing, good thing intel and AMD finally cought up with DEC

23:23 <zombie67> the problem with linux is that opt apps are more rare, and many projects don't support them.  And even when they do, the stock app is not as fast

23:23 <gleaken> AHHH

23:23 <zombie67> "many projects don't support linux" I meant to say

23:24 <gleaken> and that is project dependent, since they need an app to be run by BOINC

23:24 <gleaken> so...

23:24 <zombie67> right.  all projects except for one support windows.

23:24 <zombie67> only one supports linux but not windows

23:24 <gleaken> the only thing that I have found which causes a serious performance gap between the linux and win clients is the NICE value set so low on  the linux manager

23:25 <gleaken> which one supports linux but not windows?

23:25 <zombie67> wep

23:25 <zombie67> yeah, on some linux distros, you have to manually change a setting so that the CPUs don't underclock

23:26 <zombie67> wep:  http://bearnol.is-a-geek.com/wanless2/

23:26 <Romulus> Title: WEP-M+2 Project (at bearnol.is-a-geek.com)

23:26 <gleaken> that is the correct behavior though

23:26 <zombie67> correct, but not for BOINC

23:26 <zombie67> boinc alpha is still having http errors

23:27 <gleaken> yes, I tried to connect to do a burn in of a computer

23:27 <gleaken> and Wah, wah, waaaah

23:28 <zombie67> ?

23:28 <zombie67> BOINC alpha does no real processing.  It's all upload/download

23:28 <zombie67> if you want CPU burn in, pick something different

23:30 <gleaken> this is a rebuild of known good hardware other than the HDD, I restored the OS and need to check stability, I am running some 3d apps, some processor intensive app, figured I try BOINC, I just need to ensure OS stability, HW is known good.  VNC had a vulnerability and the machine was comprimised, so I am rebuilding it and testing the oem restore of windows

23:31 <gleaken> BTW, everyone, don't use VNC 3.3.7, even with a strong passwd

23:31 <PovAddict> uh

23:31 <PovAddict> that vulnerability is like two years old

23:31 <PovAddict> nope, three

23:32 <zombie67> gleaken, I mean, for stress testing using BOINC, don't use the BOINC Alpha project.  It will not keep the CPU active.  Pick a different project.

23:32 <PovAddict> "RealVNC Password Authentication Bypass Vulnerability"

23:32 <PovAddict> "The vulnerability has been reported in version 4.1.1"

23:32 <PovAddict> 2006-05-15

23:32 <gleaken> zombie67, ok

23:33 <zombie67> pov, was it ever fixed?

23:33 <PovAddict> zombie67: of course, it was fixed quite urgently

23:33 <PovAddict> 4.1.2

23:33 <zombie67> hmmm

23:34 <zombie67> I am using WinVNC 1.0.2

23:34 <gleaken> was it ever addressed as being viable in 3.3.7?  I assume it was, or, was this a different vulnerability?

23:34 <PovAddict> must have been a different one

23:34 <PovAddict> zombie67: WinVNC != RealVNC

23:34 <zombie67> oh well, not important

23:35 <PovAddict> I think it only affected RealVNC

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23:35 <gleaken> yes, different codebase

23:35 <zombie67> they are all the same thing

23:35 <zombie67> they keep changing the logo

23:36 <PovAddict> they don't share the code, they don't share the bugs... RealVNC isn't even open source

23:36 <gleaken> yes it is, or at least it was

23:36 <zombie67> lets see, I have some machines on realvnc 4.1.3

23:37 <gleaken> you can get the source for 3.3.7, and I am now using tightvnc, which is GPL

23:37 <PovAddict> ah yes, it is

23:37 <zombie67> right, they keep changing names and such

23:37 <PovAddict> RealVNC free edition is GPL too

23:37 <PovAddict> tightvnc is great though... the JPEG compression really helps

23:37 <gleaken> http://www.realvnc.com/dist/vnc-3.3.7-winsrc.zip

23:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/crgbml> (at www.realvnc.com)

23:37 <zombie67> tightvnc didn't work very well with xp64, and screen refresh

23:38 <zombie67> I used that back with xp32

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23:38 <gleaken> well, here's to hoping that tightvnc won't have a problem

23:38 <PovAddict> tightvnc works best with the Mirage mirror driver

23:38 <KathrynM> bah.  anyone get cuda working with 64 bit linux?

23:38 <PovAddict> which won't work on 64-bit...

23:38 <gleaken> performance is not needed, cross platform compatibility is, plus, one more driver to get fubar on windows, that is lovely

23:39 <PovAddict> gleaken: I'm still amazed at the fact that you can install a device driver without rebooting, but you have to reboot after installing an update for a web browser (Internet Explorer)

23:39 <PovAddict> that's so ass-backwards

23:40 <gleaken> PovAddict, haha, Agreed, and BOINC needs a reboot after install

23:40 <zombie67> no

23:40 <PovAddict> actually, BOINC needs a re-login after install

23:40 <zombie67> no

23:40 <gleaken> it did on this machine, said reboot

23:40 <gleaken> just did it 10 minutes ago

23:40 <MTughan> I think a service install needs a reboot.

23:40 <zombie67> I upgrade it all the time, no re-login or reboot

23:41 <PovAddict> 6.x first-time install in protected mode adds your user account to the boinc_users group

23:41 <MTughan> zombie67: install != upgrade

23:41 <gleaken> come on, services can be started and restarted, why a reboot, just to be lazy

23:41 <zombie67> MT, even fresh install, no reboot or relogin

23:41 <PovAddict> group membership takes effect on login

23:41 <gleaken> and I never had to reboot my linux boxes for any group changes

23:41 <PovAddict> zombie67: protected execution mode?

23:42 <PovAddict> gleaken: no, you just have to re-login for the change to take effect; but it's easier to tell the average Windows lemming to reboot

23:42 <zombie67> I just built my atom machine, xp64, no relogin or reboot was requested or required

23:42 <gleaken> then why did it make me reboot?

23:42 <PovAddict> zombie67: open task manager, see if boinc.exe is running under 'zombie67' or 'boinc_master'

23:43 <PovAddict> if it's on your account, then it's not sandboxed; if it's on boinc_master, it must have asked you to reboot

23:43 <jasong> Man, IE is so retarded, if you want your tabs to come back when you reopen IE, you have to tell them that every time you close IE, but if you want everything to disappear, then they never ask you again

23:43 <jasong> Stupid, retarded Microsoft people, if I wasn't wanting to get into gaming I wouldn't be using your POS

23:43 <zombie67> Adminsitrator

23:44 * PovAddict writes a suid script

23:44 <MTughan> I'd seriously run Ubuntu or Fedora on my quad if it wasn't for two things:

23:44 <MTughan> Games, and my roommate.

23:44 *** PovAddict has left #boinc

23:44 * KathrynM is loving Fedora 10 on her quad

23:44 *** PovAddict has joined #boinc

23:44 <jasong> I'm running it as a virtual machine, the best of both worlds

23:45 * KathrynM is loving being able to say she has a quad

23:45 <PovAddict> my approach is "don't like Linux? go use the other computer"

23:45 <zombie67> pov:  Administrator

23:45 <PovAddict> KathrynM: and I have a terabyte of disk

23:45 * KathrynM is jealous

23:45 <MTughan> I need more disk space before doing more VMs or more serious VMs.

23:46 <PovAddict> /dev/sda1             925G   49G  830G   6% /home/nicolas/newdisk

23:46 <MTughan> 280GB isn't cutting it.

23:46 <KathrynM> PovAddict, wanna help me build wxWidgets?

23:46 <PovAddict> sure, why not, it's only 0:46

23:46 <KathrynM> lol

23:46 <KathrynM> I'll forward you the email I sent to Eric

23:46 <PovAddict> ooh those are always fun

23:46 <KathrynM> sent

23:47 <PovAddict> (no offsense intended; the most fun part is his replies)

23:47 <MTughan> lol

23:47 <PovAddict> oww

23:47 <PovAddict> my leg

23:47 <gleaken> MTughan, wine is great, I use it for all my games on linux

23:47 <MTughan> gleaken: Yes, but how's the DX support?

23:48 <KathrynM> he hasn't replied yet

23:48 <PovAddict> cramp

23:48 <MTughan> Although I guess I could look up my games in the AppDB.

23:48 <PovAddict> MTughan: DX support is probably 50% of the Wine code xD

23:48 <gleaken> MTughan, fine, I run GuildWars on a GeForce 7300 128Meg at like 50 frames at 1280x768 all the way up

23:48 <PovAddict> ok not really, but still, it's a major component

23:48 * KathrynM turns off the explosion when closing windows

23:48 <PovAddict> DX implemented in OpenGL

23:48 <KathrynM> it got annoying really fast

23:48 <MTughan> Still doesn't eliminate my second need: my roommate.

23:48 <PovAddict> KathrynM: so did the cube

23:48 <KathrynM> :)

23:49 <MTughan> He occasionally uses my computer for gaming or for a second computer for research with some of his friends.

23:49 <PovAddict> eliminate your roommate? that can be arranged

23:49 <MTughan> And all of them are used to Windows.

23:49 <MTughan> lol, that'd be one solution.

23:49 <MTughan> Not one I'd consider though. Without him, we'd have no battery cannon.

23:49 <PovAddict> well....

23:49 <PovAddict> I was thinking about that cannon actually

23:49 <MTughan> Using it against him?

23:50 <PovAddict> can those batteries go through flesh?

23:50 <PovAddict> :P

23:50 <MTughan> We had one go through a 4x4 wooden post.

23:50 <gleaken> You let your roommate use your computer, what are you, promiscuous?

23:50 <MTughan> They'll go through flesh just fine.

23:50 <PovAddict> got a license for that weapon? :P

23:50 <gleaken> the last time someone tried to touch my computer, I had a duel out in the back 40 with pistols at 20 paces

23:51 <MTughan> So it went through about 10cm/4" of solid, pressurized wood, and kept going.

23:51 <MTughan> gleaken: I let him use it when I'm not around.

23:51 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

23:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.6F / 15.9C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds around 5 mph.; Sunday - Showers. Highs in the lower 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southeast in the afternoon. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Sunday Night - (1 more message)

23:51 <MTughan> If he's using it, I've still got two other laptops to fool around on. :P

23:51 <PovAddict> my mom uses this computer to browse the 'net

23:51 <CoderForLife> &more

23:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Showers in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows around 50. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph... becoming southwest after midnight. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

23:52 <gleaken> I hate to do this, but if Tank_Master is not around, to ask a CUDA question of, I will have to retire for the evening, it is late in EST

23:52 <PovAddict> had a little incident once... her password was = her username, and the machine got pwned via ssh...

23:53 <PovAddict> now ssh is limited to my account only, which has a crazy-long password

23:53 <PovAddict> and I made her change the pw

23:54 <Tank_Master> huh?

23:55 <gleaken> Good eve' all

23:55 *** gleaken has quit IRC

23:55 <Tank_Master> what about cuda?

23:55 <PovAddict> lol

23:55 <Tank_Master> lol

23:55 <PovAddict> too late by a sec

23:55 <Tank_Master> guess he didnt want to now :P

23:55 <Tank_Master> know*

23:56 <Tank_Master> what was it he wanted to know?

23:57 <MTughan> How CUDA affected graphics performance of Compiz. Aero's a good substitute.

23:57 <PovAddict> or games

23:57 <Tank_Master> depends on the card

23:57 <PovAddict> whoa

23:57 <PovAddict> I just discovered there are manpages for the C++ library

23:57 <Tank_Master> affects it a lot with the 8000 series, but I hear that the 200s are fast enough that it doesnt impact it

23:57 <PovAddict> it's just I never thought the manpage name would include "std::"

23:58 <Tank_Master> so who screwed the manpages and gave it std?

23:58 <Tank_Master> anywho, ill bbl

23:59 * PovAddict gives up with his suid script

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