IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-04-19

00:08 <KathrynM> took me 20 minutes to figure out what allergy med the doc gave me yesterday.

00:11 <PovAddict> hope you aren't allergic t ocats

00:12 <KathrynM> nah, it's the crap outside

00:21 <PovAddict> I thought making a SUID-root shell script to do this would be unsafe, because of the many ways that a shell script could be attacked

00:22 <PovAddict> and that maybe I should write a C program instead, using a library instead of running an external command

00:22 <PovAddict> turns out the latter is my ONLY option

00:22 <PovAddict> SUID root shellscripts don't work at all, the operating system doesn't let me have one

00:23 <PovAddict> (they don't run as root even if they're owned by root and suid bit is set)

00:27 <KathrynM> did you get the email, PovAddict?

00:27 <PovAddict> yes

00:27 <PovAddict> so what's the problem? :)

00:28 <KathrynM> it doesn't compile

00:29 <PovAddict> errors?

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00:29 <KathrynM> darn it

00:29 <KathrynM> wrong email

00:29 <KathrynM> there

00:29 <KathrynM> that's the right one

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00:40 <CoderForLife> I guess I'll try sleeping again

00:40 <CoderForLife> re-gn

00:41 <KathrynM> night

00:42 <XioNYC> G'night.

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00:43 <PovAddict> that was quite an X hang

00:44 <PovAddict> KathrynM: downloading wx

00:47 <PovAddict> pastebin your setup.h (generated by wx's configure)

00:47 <PovAddict>

00:47 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - Upload a Text or Source File (at

00:48 <KathrynM>

00:49 <PovAddict> no; configure should have read and created a setup.h from it

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00:49 <KathrynM> don't have it.

00:49 * PovAddict checks for sure

00:49 <KathrynM> let me start from scratch

00:50 <PovAddict> ok it's not in the current dir...

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00:50 <KathrynM> where is it?

00:50 <Romulus> It has been said that it is built dynamically, KathrynM

00:50 <PovAddict> lib/wx/include/gtk2-unicode-release-static-2.8/wx/setup.h

00:50 <PovAddict> Romulus: forget it

00:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no such factoid.

00:50 <PovAddict> forget it

00:50 <Romulus> Okay!

00:51 <PovAddict> two factoid plugins at once = mess

00:51 <KathrynM>

00:51 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

00:51 <KathrynM> Rommie's just a mess in general

00:52 <PovAddict> somehow configure thought you have no 'bool'

00:52 <PovAddict> pastebin config.log (that's quite a long one so you may want to use, since it can take a file upload, instead of copy-paste)

00:54 <KathrynM> waiting for it to upload

00:56 <PovAddict> o_o how big is it?

00:57 <KathrynM> dunno

00:57 <KathrynM> gonna ftp it up to my site

00:57 <PovAddict> gzip it first

00:58 <KathrynM> k

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00:59 <KathrynM> hmmm, only 255k

01:00 <PovAddict> maybe that's still more than the pastebin is happy with

01:00 <KathrynM> hells bells

01:00 <KathrynM> stupid ff

01:02 <zombie67> bizarre, some machines can contact BOINC alpha (but not getting any work), while others get http errors

01:05 <KathrynM>

01:05 <Romulus> <> (at

01:05 <KathrynM> hopefully that'll work PovAddict

01:05 <KathrynM> I gotta figure out what my panel log in is.

01:05 <PovAddict> worked

01:05 <KathrynM> k

01:06 <PovAddict> wow, how did *anything* work?

01:06 <PovAddict> ./configure: line 23171: g++: command not found

01:06 <zombie67> pov, any new news on freehal security?

01:07 <PovAddict> zombie67: nope

01:07 <KathrynM> dunno, but it did

01:08 <PovAddict> KathrynM: not sure why configure finished at all, or why make said 'bool' was redefined instead of failing to run the compiler at all, since you seem to lack g++ (C++ compiler)

01:08 <KathrynM> want me to start from scratch?

01:08 <KathrynM> I swear I installed g++ yesterday

01:08 <PovAddict> what does "g++ --version" say?

01:08 <KathrynM> g++ (GCC) 4.3.2 20081105 (Red Hat 4.3.2-7)

01:09 <KathrynM> let me start from scratch

01:09 <PovAddict> then configure is living under a rock

01:09 <KathrynM> lol

01:09 <PovAddict> or, you installed g++ after running configure and didn't re-run it afterwards; but that sounds very unlikely

01:10 <KathrynM> confgure running now

01:10 <KathrynM> configure went fine

01:10 <KathrynM> running make

01:11 <KathrynM> seems like it's gotten further

01:11 <PovAddict> still hasn't failed?

01:11 <KathrynM> nope

01:11 <KathrynM> Linux hates me

01:12 <KathrynM> I can't sync with the time server.

01:12 <KathrynM> I have no sound.

01:12 <PovAddict> Ctrl-C and run make -j5 instead; you have a quad now :)

01:12 <KathrynM> holy heck, much faster

01:12 <PovAddict> no sh...

01:12 <KathrynM> lol

01:12 <KathrynM> any tips for setting up ssh on the local network?

01:12 <KathrynM> besides a good password

01:13 <KathrynM> I'm trying to figure out the best way to copy over all the data from the old machine to the new one.

01:13 <KathrynM> need to copy ~/kathryn and /Data

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01:13 <PovAddict> if anyone else will have an account on your machine, add "AllowUsers kathryn" to sshd_config to make sure only your account works through ssh

01:14 <PovAddict> because not everyone will have a password as safe as you

01:14 <PovAddict> <- learned hard way

01:14 <Tank_Master> bah

01:14 <KathrynM> only other account on the machines is boinc

01:14 <Tank_Master> got d/c somehow

01:15 <KathrynM> doing make install now

01:15 <PovAddict> you can't login to 'boinc' at all (except through su) so you're fine

01:15 * Tank_Master uses a strong password - password1!

01:15 <KathrynM> lol

01:15 <KathrynM> ok, wxWidgets installed

01:15 <PovAddict> "The most common password used to be 'password'; now it's 'password1'. Who said people never learn about security?"

01:16 <KathrynM> now to attempt BOINC

01:16 <KathrynM> lol

01:16 <Tank_Master> hehe pov

01:17 <KathrynM> guess I'll go for trunk

01:17 <KathrynM> and maybe I'll install svn

01:17 <KathrynM> :/

01:17 <PovAddict> what's the purpose of this btw?

01:17 <KathrynM> to get the regression scripts running again

01:17 <KathrynM> and for fun

01:18 <PovAddict> I wanted to write a synecdoche build script that announced failure on IRC immediately

01:18 <KathrynM> heh

01:18 <KathrynM> ooo, gotta install alpine too

01:19 <PovAddict> text mail client?

01:19 <KathrynM> yup

01:19 <KathrynM> use it for reading system mail

01:19 <KathrynM> getting a new system set up is definitely a pita

01:20 <PovAddict> I wanted one of those but all seemed to be a pain to use

01:20 <KathrynM> alpine is really easy

01:20 <KathrynM> reminds me of how I read my email in college.

01:21 <KathrynM> gah, cat just knocked my cell phone into her food bowl

01:21 <KathrynM> good thing she eats dry food

01:21 <PovAddict> and good thing it wasn't the water bowl

01:21 <KathrynM> true

01:21 <PovAddict> what's your experience on debian/ubuntu?

01:21 <KathrynM> me?

01:21 <KathrynM> haven't used it in ages

01:21 <PovAddict> ever used aptitude?

01:24 <KathrynM> I used apt-get when I was trying ubuntu.

01:24 <KathrynM> but that was almost 2 years ago

01:29 <KathrynM> PovAddict, what was the configure line?  --disable-server --enable-client --enable-unicode

01:30 <PovAddict> yes

01:30 <PovAddict> the manager can be turned on and off separately with --enable-manager (but "enabled" is the default)

01:30 <KathrynM> k

01:34 <KathrynM> holy heck, it built

01:35 <Tank_Master> lol

01:35 <Tank_Master> congratz

01:35 <KathrynM> I'm a whole lot better at this than I used to be

01:36 <Tank_Master> nice

01:36 <zombie67> sometimes it feels like voodoo.  "turn right, shake head, back up one step, and it works!"  While the steps work, there is no understanding them.

01:36 <Tank_Master> woot, just compleated a 23h WU from ABC

01:36 <PovAddict>

01:36 <Romulus> Title: File:Aptitude.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

01:37 <PovAddict> I think it would be useful to have a TUI-based BOINC Manager, looking like aptitude

01:37 <PovAddict> for users on headless machines... they always get confused with boinccmd

01:38 <PovAddict> there is a boinc_curses app:

01:38 <Romulus> <> (at

01:39 <PovAddict> but it relies on keystrokes to do commands, not shown on screen

01:47 <XioNYC> A BOINC Manager using a TUI?

01:49 <XioNYC> Kewl !-)

01:57 <zombie67> <core_client_version>6.6.20</core_client_version>

01:57 <zombie67> <![CDATA[

01:57 <zombie67> <message>

01:57 <zombie67> process got signal 10

01:57 <zombie67> </message>

01:57 <zombie67> <stderr_txt>

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03:10 <efc> &wx 30625

03:10 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 61F / 16C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1018hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 50s. Light and variable winds.; Sunday - Chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning... then thunderstorms and showers likely in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe in the afternoon. (1 more message)

03:10 <efc> &more

03:10 <Romulus> efc: Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

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06:56 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 56.1F / 13.4C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Occasional showers. Highs in the lower 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southeast 10 to 15 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Occasional showers in the evening...then showers (1 more message)

06:56 <CoderForLife> &more

06:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: likely after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Monday - Showers likely. Highs in the mid 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

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07:55 <KathrynM> omg.  I think I'm going to explode.

07:55 <KathrynM> I just ate a 10 course meal at the local chinese place.

08:03 <Soul_keeper> :)

08:18 <KathrynM> hmmm, I'm about to see if I can break my Fedora install.  Gotta futz with fstab

08:18 <KathrynM> wish me luck

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09:15 <Soul_keeper> Good Morning.

09:16 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

09:16 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 59.7F / 15.4C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 29.38in / 994.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny...warmer. Highs 88 to 93. Winds east 15 mph. Gusts to 30 mph near the foothills.; Tonight - Clear. Lows 53 to 61. Winds east 15 mph with gusts to 25 mph in the evening becoming light.; Monday - Sunny. Highs 91 to (1 more message)

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10:27 <Soul_keeper> so yeah, I was flipping thru channels on tv yesterday ...

10:27 <Soul_keeper> turns out some dude named "gay" was winning at golf

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11:18 <Soul_keeper> Wake !

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11:39 <e-30> h9ow is everyone

11:40 <Soul_keeper> rene zellweger is hot :)

11:40 <Soul_keeper> watching "leatherheads"

11:40 <e-30> dam that sucks big time

11:41 <e-30> cool

11:41 <Soul_keeper> what sucks ?

11:42 <e-30> temp

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13:50 <HafkensitE> Hi, I would like to use the boinc-manager for windows only to connect to the boinc-client on my linux box. Can I disable the auto-startup of the client on windows xp?

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13:59 <HafkensitE> Hi yoyo[RKN]

13:59 <HafkensitE> I would like to use the boinc-manager for windows only to connect to the boinc-client on my linux box. Can I disable the auto-startup of the client on windows xp?

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14:18 <Soul_keeper> yes you can do that. just run the boinc manager ....

14:19 <HafkensitE> then it pops up the 'add a project' wizard and it runs the client in the background

14:21 <Soul_keeper> I don't know enough about the windows app, works fine in linux, just have to edit the  gui_rpc_auth.cfg  with a password

14:22 <HafkensitE> oke, thankyou ill try to figure it out

14:23 <Soul_keeper> everyone is sleeping past noon today it seems ...

14:34 <HafkensitE> I renamed boinc.exe, so it can't start

14:34 <HafkensitE> dirty trick but it worked

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14:35 <Soul_keeper> :)

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14:53 <yoyo_RKN> &wx sxf

14:54 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 8:20 PM CEST; Clear. High:60 F.; Clear. Low:33 F.; Clear. High:64 F.; Clear. Low:37 F.; Clear. High:68 F.; Clear. Low:35 F.;

15:10 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

15:10 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 57.9F / 14.4C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Isolated light showers in the morning. High in the upper 50s. North wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of showers 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Colder. Low in the upper (1 more message)

15:10 <wdsmia> &more

15:10 <Romulus> wdsmia: 30s. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. A 20 percent chance of light showers in the afternoon. High in the upper 50s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;

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15:45 <jasong> For those who might be wondering why their machine suddenly became so god-awful slow, check if you have a camb workunit running.

15:45 <jasong> That thing has been murdering my machine for days, but it took me 3 days to figure it out

15:45 <Soul_keeper> &dict camb

15:45 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: No definition for "camb" could be found.

15:45 <jasong> cosmology@home stuff

15:46 <jasong> camb is an acronym

15:46 <jasong> i forget the definition, though

15:46 * jasong returns to the game that camb has been ruining

15:46 <Soul_keeper> ahhh here I was thinking maybe the "California Association of Mortgage Brokers"  had their own boinc project :)

15:52 <PovAddict> &learn camb as "Code for Anisotropies in the Microwave Background" <>; the application used by Cosmology@Home

15:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

15:53 <Soul_keeper> hello

16:00 <Soul_keeper> bla, so boring here on the weekend

16:04 <jasong> tentative scratch(taking it back) on the idea that camb is screwing up my machine, since other stuff seems to be fubar as well.  My computer seems to be getting corrupt data, but only the desktop and it's been going on for a while.   I keep thinking it's fixed when it isn't

16:04 <PovAddict> memtest time?

16:06 <Soul_keeper> einstein   slow lately

16:06 <jasong> no memory and cpu are fine, passed prime95 totally

16:07 <jasong> something to do with the cd drive, hard drive, or their cables in my opinion

16:07 <jasong> another possibility is that my laptop burner is bad

16:07 <jasong> I think I'll test the laptop theory first

16:08 <jasong> How do you md5sum an already burned iso?

16:09 <jasong> I want to read the md5 of the cd

16:09 <PovAddict> on Windows, you can't

16:09 <jasong> no, on Linux

16:09 <PovAddict> there are some CD burning programs that let you compare the whole disk to an .iso file though

16:09 <PovAddict> on Linux, md5sum /dev/cdrom

16:09 <jasong> thanks

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16:27 <jasong> lol, it's been my laptop burner all this time

16:27 <jasong> I have a bad burner

18:00 <Soul_keeper> I had one go out on a laptop before too

18:00 <Soul_keeper> left a cd in the driver over the weekend, and it kept powering up/down   by the time monday came around the drive had burned itself out

18:00 <Soul_keeper> drive*

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18:03 <Soul_keeper> lo

18:03 <Tank_Master> firkin software d/c me again

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19:20 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

19:20 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 97.7F / 36.5C | Humidity: 16% | Pressure: 29.35in / 993.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 9.2mph / 14.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 53 to 61. Winds east 15 mph with gusts to 25 mph in the evening becoming light.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 91 to 96. Light winds.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 55 to 62. Light (1 more message)

19:20 <Soul_keeper> GEEZE

19:20 <Soul_keeper> 100F

19:20 <Soul_keeper> cpu sitting at 73C now

19:30 <MTughan> Ouch.

19:30 <MTughan> Mine's sitting at 60-61C.

19:32 <Soul_keeper> i'm surprised it didn't crash

19:32 <Soul_keeper> gpu hit 78C

19:33 <MTughan> The CPU is over the recommended temperature Intel says, IIRC.

19:33 <Soul_keeper> i'll prolly have to back down my oc for the summer

19:33 <MTughan> It's a Q9550?

19:33 <Soul_keeper> 9450  yeah

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19:33 <MTughan> 9450, okay...

19:34 <MTughan> It's start throttling when the heatspreader reaches 71.4C.

19:35 <MTughan> Apparently, that temperature is at the geometric center of heatspreader.

19:35 <MTughan> So you're probably very close to throttling.

19:36 <Soul_keeper> I should have all that stuff disabled in bios and kernel

19:36 <MTughan> What, throttling?

19:37 <MTughan> That may be something you can't override, and if you have overridden it, you're past the point where it would've started to throttle.

19:41 <Soul_keeper> yeah I got everything relating to safety turned off :)

19:41 <Soul_keeper> just a "warning temp" and "shutdown temp"  setting

19:41 <Soul_keeper> so it'll beep if I hit like 80c and shutdown at like 85C

19:42 <Soul_keeper> I saw the 71.4 number in the datasheets, just snagged them off the intel site right now

19:44 <Soul_keeper> there is no way to keep this from happening when ambient temps hit 100F

19:44 <Soul_keeper> even with watercooling I doubt i could fight it much

19:44 <Soul_keeper> &convert 100F to C

19:44 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: The command "convert" is available in the Currency and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "convert".

19:44 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 100F to C

19:44 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: 100F is not a valid unit.

19:44 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 100 F to C

19:44 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 37.7777777778

19:45 <Soul_keeper> hmm

20:12 <CoderForLife> gn boincfans

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20:36 <Tank_Master> .

20:38 <Tank_Master> what program do you guys use to read the cpu temp?

20:42 <Tank_Master> im using core temp, sais my atom is 60/68

20:42 <Tank_Master> that seems like a big diff between the 2 cores

20:42 <Tank_Master> Tj, Max is 125c though :P

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21:16 <Soul_keeper> sensors, lm sensors tool

21:17 <Soul_keeper> the coretemp module is wrong on my system too

21:17 <Soul_keeper> reading from the winbond controller on my system gives the correct result tho

21:20 <Soul_keeper> specifics matter :)

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