IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-04-21

00:01 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

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01:43 <dchmelik> Is there an rc.boinc to put in /etc/rc.d/?  I just re-installed my system after trying to use Coreboot, and I noticed I used to have an /etc/rc.d/rc.boinc.

01:43 <dchmelik> Maybe I made it up myself to make a script that could start or stop boinc.

01:43 <dchmelik> Yeah, I guess that is what I did... did anyone else ever do that?

02:01 <dchmelik> Ok, I have rewritten my rc.boinc... is there any way it can be included with the GNU/Linux BOINC package as an option?

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05:08 <KathrynM> two days down, three to go

05:09 <CoderForLife> hi

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05:28 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:28 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 42.0F / 5.6C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.63in / 1003.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Showers likely...mainly this afternoon. Highs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Showers likely...mainly in the (1 more message)

05:29 <CoderForLife> &more

05:29 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening. Lows in the upper 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Wednesday - Partly sunny with a 40 percent chance of showers. Highs in the upper 50s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph in the afternoon.;

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06:33 <hawmps> 'lo

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08:31 <Soul_keeper> Swap:        10722       2054       8668

08:32 <Soul_keeper> Ha !

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08:37 <jackygrahamez> hi

08:38 <Soul_keeper> excellent

08:44 <Soul_keeper> Stephen Hawking Hospitalized

08:44 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

08:46 <hawmps> family expects a full recovery.

08:57 <Soul_keeper> good

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10:19 <PovAddict_> dchmelik: there *is* an init.d script in the BOINC package

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11:22 <ilyak> hi *

11:23 <ilyak> I've just yum installed boinc and boincmgr to my fedora

11:23 <ilyak> I've started both boinc_client (via /sbin/service) and boincmgr

11:23 <ilyak> but boincmgr can't see boinc-client for some reason, why?

11:23 <PovAddict> oh dear god, hope it's not the same problem as on Ubuntu

11:23 <PovAddict> what desktop environment do you have?

11:24 <ilyak> Well, I'm not logged into any of them, but I guess there's gnome

11:24 <ilyak> I'm operating on it via ssh+X11 forwarding

11:25 <ilyak> my desktop (another box) has kde

11:25 <PovAddict> ah

11:25 <PovAddict> well, if fedora has the same problem as ubuntu, then launching boinc manager from the application list of your desktop environment works, and running 'boincmgr' from a shell doesn't

11:26 <PovAddict> because boincmgr is looking for a certain file in the current directory, and the app list launcher sets boincmgr's current directory to where that file is; so if you run it manually from anywhere else it doesn't work

11:26 <PovAddict> do you have a /etc/boinc-client?

11:26 <ilyak> oh!

11:26 <ilyak> nope

11:27 <PovAddict> anything with 'boinc' in its name in /etc? :P

11:27 <ilyak> "The BOINC client requires initialization" do I need to do anything with that before connecting with boincmgr?

11:27 <ilyak> zsh: no matches found: /etc/*boinc*

11:28 <PovAddict> ok, then it's not the same structure as on debianoids

11:28 <PovAddict> /var/lib/boinc-client or /var/lib/boinc? either of those should exist

11:29 <ilyak> It seems that I need to auth it

11:30 <ilyak> It's very bad that boincmgr doesn't hints that

11:30 <PovAddict> yes, but the manager can read the password by itself, from gui_rpc_auth.cfg in the current directory

11:30 <ilyak> It's not in the current directory

11:30 <ilyak> it's in /var/lib/boinc

11:30 <PovAddict> then make/var/lib/boinc the current directory before running boincmgr

11:32 <ilyak> Nope, it still wouldn't connect

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11:32 <PovAddict> what are the permissions of gui_rpc_auth.cfg?

11:32 <ilyak> Now it would work

11:33 <ilyak> But I have to say - it sucks a big time

11:33 <PovAddict> what did you do to make it work?

11:33 <ilyak> It positively shouldn't work that way

11:33 <ilyak> Well, cd /var/lib/boinc and run that as root

11:33 <PovAddict> bad, don't run as root

11:33 <ilyak> Sure

11:34 <ilyak> but gui_rpc_auth.cfg is only readable by root

11:34 <PovAddict> then change its permissions so you can read it, but don't run boincmgr as root

11:34 <PovAddict> <ilyak> It positively shouldn't work that way <- it's half boinc's fault and half the fault of Fedora packagers

11:35 <ilyak> I've added WCG

11:35 <ilyak> I'll try running it the normal way

11:36 <ilyak> Scheduler request failed: HTTP error 0 <-- WTF??

11:41 <ilyak> Why wouldn't it connect? What's http error 0?

11:42 <PovAddict> it's not actually HTTP 0

11:42 <PovAddict> being WCG, most probably you have an issue related to SSL

11:42 <PovAddict> but I'm now busy writing a long rant email about your previous problem - I've seen it a dozen times by now

11:45 <ilyak> In fact, boincmgr should tell you on your first start:

11:46 <ilyak> "What's your server to connect? I guess it's localhost. And what's the password? You can find it in /var/lib/..."

11:46 <ilyak> The standard sign-up form

11:46 <PovAddict> no, it should work out-of-the-box without asking you anything

11:46 <ilyak> That's harder if you aren't root

11:48 <ilyak> But it surely could ask for a password and tell me how to find it out

11:48 <ilyak> Instead of puzzling me

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11:49 <ilyak> I've joined rosetta@home successfully

11:49 <ilyak> How to fix WCG SSL issue? I remember having exactly the same one on debian

11:49 <ilyak> I should note that having such issues out of the box isn't pretty

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11:55 <ilyak> my own report

11:55 <PovAddict> I'll probably install Fedora on a VM to try this out

11:55 <ilyak> I've made a symlink; nothing happens (c)

11:55 <Romulus> <> (at

11:55 <ilyak> I'm on a fresh Fedora release 8 (Werewolf)

11:55 <PovAddict> does gui_rpc_auth.cfg actually have a password?

11:55 <ilyak> yeah

11:55 <ilyak> and it is actually correct

11:56 <ilyak> but you have to go into advanced->connect, type it in (copy paste doesn't work for some bizzare reason) and also type localhost in

11:56 <ilyak> and now it would connect

11:57 <mweltin> morn'in PovAddict

12:01 <PovAddict> I wonder if my RAM will let me run two VMs at the same time :)

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13:45 <PovAddict> well now that was weird... my computer reset itself

13:45 <PovAddict> but it's already plugged to the UPS, so wtf?

13:53 <Soul_keeper> it's all that porn on you HD

13:53 <PovAddict> I don't store it

13:53 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm gonna believe that ...

13:54 <Soul_keeper> maybe it's all them cookies/spyware/adware from the pornno sites

14:08 <mweltin> Soul_keeper: you seems to have an obsession with porn.  Not that it's a bad thing.

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14:38 <hawmps>;_ylt=AipJPOjPJRAoY8evNMjW6yJvaA8F

14:38 <Romulus> <> (at

14:39 <hawmps> Scientists discover a nearly Earth-sized planet (smallest exoplanet ever, called Gliese 581 e)

14:39 <mweltin> I was just reading that post

14:39 <mweltin> nice

14:40 <jackygrahamez> hey that's old news

14:41 <jackygrahamez> oh d

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14:59 <hawmps> No, its  called Gliese. not "oldnews"

15:00 <Soul_keeper> excellent observation mweltin  :)

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15:24 <jackygrahamez> your right Gliese d was discovered in 2007 Gliese e is new

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15:52 <Soul_keeper> god's way is the best way !!!

16:02 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:14 <Soul_keeper>,7587.html    cool

16:15 <Romulus> <> (at

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16:18 <Soul_keeper>        there he is !!  doing just fine !

16:19 <Romulus> <> (at

16:24 <Soul_keeper>   hmmm ramsey is testing a cuda app

16:24 <Romulus> Title: Ramsey@home (at

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16:50 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

16:50 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 10:20 PM CEST; Clear. High:66 F.; Clear. Low:35 F.; Chance of Rain. High:71 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 F.; Chance of Rain. High:68 F.; Clear. Low:37 F.;

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17:30 <CoderForLife> heh

17:30 <Romulus> Title: Readings show Four Corners marker off by 2.5 miles - US and Canada- (at

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17:38 <mweltin> which direction was the error in?

17:41 <Soul_keeper> "west of where it should be, the Deseret News reported."

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18:02 <MTughan> Wow, odd looking card...

18:02 <Romulus> <> (at

18:03 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:03 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

18:03 <xcamel> hola

18:03 <MTughan> And Jay.

18:08 <Soul_keeper> I had a dream about video cards last night ...

18:08 <Soul_keeper> there were hundreds of them blue and red

18:09 * wdsmia thinks Soul_keeper needs a life

18:16 <Soul_keeper> wdsmia, i'd have to agree with that thought

18:16 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

18:16 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 89.2F / 31.8C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 29.32in / 992.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming partly cloudy. Areas of fog overnight. Visibility one quarter mile or less at times overnight. Cooler. Lows 48 to 58. Winds west 15 mph in the evening becoming light.; Wednesday - (1 more message)

18:24 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:24 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 44.4F / 6.9C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Numerous showers this evening...becoming scattered overnight. Lows in the upper 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...diminishing to around 10 mph after midnight. Chance of rain (2 more messages)

18:25 <CoderForLife> &more

18:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 70 percent.; Wednesday - Partly sunny with scattered showers. Isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 50s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy with isolated rain showers in the evening...then mostly clear after midnight. Lows in the mid 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph... becoming north 5 to (1 more message)

18:25 <CoderForLife> &more

18:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 10 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

18:25 <CoderForLife> I guess that's what I ran into on the way home - a "numerous" shower

18:26 <PovAddict> ditto

18:26 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:26 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 62.3F / 16.8C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low around 40. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. High around 70. Northwest wind near 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear. Low in the upper 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;

18:36 <CoderForLife> as a crude patch until I figure it out, I have cron chowning -R upload to boincsvr every minute  =P

18:37 <CoderForLife> wrong window

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18:52 <xcamel> back again..

18:56 <CoderForLife> wb

19:00 <xcamel> almost a nice walk..

19:01 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:01 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 51.2F / 10.7C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of rain. Lows in the mid 40s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming south after midnight.; Wednesday - Partly sunny in the morning...then (1 more message)

19:01 <xcamel> &more

19:01 <Romulus> xcamel: becoming mostly cloudy. A chance of showers. Highs around 60. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly cloudy with scattered showers. Lows in the lower 40s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

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19:06 <xcamel> wb

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19:56 <CoderForLife> gn folks - off to dream about writing more Code

19:56 <xcamel> nightmares again?

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20:14 <CoderForLife> sweet dreams are made of these

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20:20 <xcamel> Anne Lenox

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21:18 <Soul_keeper>

21:18 <Romulus> Title: OpenCL for NVIDIA (at

21:21 <xcamel> Ants fitted with radio transmitters for scientific study

21:21 <xcamel>

21:21 <Romulus> <> (at

21:30 <Soul_keeper> MTughan ^^  opencl one step closer :)

21:34 <Tank_Master> porland group?

21:35 <Tank_Master> theres a signifagent group in my home town?

21:36 <Soul_keeper> would seem so

21:36 <Soul_keeper> 2009 STMicroelectronics

21:37 <Tank_Master> ill brb

21:37 <Soul_keeper> tied to them somehow

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21:56 <jasong> Some of you may remember that I stated a while back that I thought AMD was either going to kick Intel's ass(like with the Athlon), or fade into the night.  Well, they haven't faded into the night, but God only knows what's keeping them afloat.  They're either a zombie company that doesn't know it's dead, or...I have no idea what the other option could be

22:00 <Soul_keeper> they are running on saudi money now

22:01 <Soul_keeper> they didn't care when it was their own money, doubt they'll try any harder now that it's saudi money

22:03 <Soul_keeper> "AMD reported after the market closed Tuesday that it lost $416 million, or 66 cents per share, in the opening three months of the year."

22:03 <Soul_keeper> how you manage to consistently lose money for 10 or 11 months in a row is beyond me, you'd think they'd put their thumb in the hole by now

22:04 <Soul_keeper> or is that 10 or 11 quarters in a row ...

22:04 <Soul_keeper> they are becoming VIA/transmeta

22:06 <jasong> Who here lives close to, or in, Arkansas?

22:06 <Soul_keeper> Sales dropped 21 percent  in Q1

22:06 <jasong> Both my computers have corrupt Linux installs because they share data, and I've given up on getting my Dad's windows box making a bootable cd, so...

22:07 <jasong> I will sing Hosannas to anyone who is willing to snail-mail me a Linux install cd

22:07 <PovAddict> can you wait a month?

22:08 <Soul_keeper> hector ruiz is in charge of global foundires, they should have shot that dork in the face instead

22:08 <jasong> lol, no that wouldn't help, but thanks

22:08 <PovAddict> Ubuntu sends free CDs

22:08 <jasong> They do?  I'll look into it

22:08 <jasong> thanks

22:08 <PovAddict> "Ubuntu is available free of charge and we can send you a CD of the latest version with no extra cost, but the delivery may take up to ten weeks, so you should consider downloading the CD image if you have a fast Internet connection."

22:08 <PovAddict> that's why I asked if you could wait :)

22:09 <jasong> oh, damn

22:09 <jasong> lol

22:09 <PovAddict> but they send you stickers too!

22:09 <jasong> ooh, I can get them from amazon

22:10 <PovAddict>

22:10 <Romulus> <> (at

22:10 <Soul_keeper> I think  used to burn any distro you wanted and send the cd's to you for like 5 bucks,  looks like their site has changed tho

22:13 * Soul_keeper notices that he's talking to himself

22:14 <Soul_keeper> maybe i'm on ignore

22:16 <PovAddict> maybe there's no mistake to point out in what you're saying :P

22:16 <Soul_keeper> well that's a good sign then, great

22:17 <Soul_keeper> ecm has my system swapping so hard it's barely useable

22:18 <Soul_keeper> Swap:        10722       3858       6864

22:18 <Soul_keeper> jumping between  500MB and 4GB  every 20min or so for a few days now

22:19 <Soul_keeper> amazing

22:22 <jasong> Check out this little nugget of personal madness:  When I download the ubuntu install iso from the net, it matches the one on the web perfectly, but it gets corrupted when it's written to a dvd.  On the other hand, no matter how many times I write it to a dvd, the corrupted iso always returns the same md5sum

22:22 <jasong> this is with totally different burns

22:23 <Soul_keeper> you sure it's corrupted and not just being written in the wrong way ?

22:23 <jasong> I now have an assumed legit cd(yes, I'm going to double-check it) on the way in the mail.  But until then, I can't do anything deemed important(like DCing) until I can unfsck it

22:23 <jasong> Well, I'm using the Linux writing program

22:23 <Soul_keeper> what program ?

22:23 <Romulus> hmm... what program is the toes attaching and reattaching, Soul_keeper

22:24 <jasong> That's the Ubuntu update program

22:24 <Soul_keeper> one of those fancy frontends to cdrecord ?

22:24 <jasong> It's a weird graphic, that's for sure

22:24 <jasong> No, it's just the generic Ubuntu burner

22:24 <Soul_keeper> try burning the iso directly from commandline with cdrrecord like a man

22:24 <Soul_keeper> i've never had a problem doing it that way

22:25 <jasong> Question, if it's burning wrong, will it still be possibly bootable?

22:25 <jasong> because they are definitely booting

22:25 <Soul_keeper> maybe .. I don't know what program you are using or what it is doing

22:26 <Soul_keeper> many of these gui burning programs just use the cdrecord command in the background

22:27 <Soul_keeper> also I recommend having as low of cpu usage while burning

22:27 <Soul_keeper> dma is not implemented so corruption is much more likely during a burn process

22:27 <Soul_keeper> atleast it wasn't implemented last I checked

22:28 <Soul_keeper> it would take me more than 1 google search to figure out what a  "generic Ubuntu burner"   is

22:29 <jasong> Well, I've been fighting with this for days, and it'll be easier to verify what's what after I install a known good cd

22:30 <jasong> If the cd I get in the mail doesn't get the right md5sum, I might just go stark raving mad

22:30 <Soul_keeper> that could be worth watching :)

22:30 <PovAddict> jasong: when the CD boots, one of the options in the CD is "verify disc"

22:30 <jasong> Of course I'll still try to install it, since my corrupt installation kight end up correcting the md5sum check

22:30 <jasong> Yeah, that's the weird thing, those always pass

22:31 <PovAddict> then you should be fine

22:31 <jasong> and, yet, I'm far from it

22:31 <jasong> My BIOS has never been updated, can that cause OS errors?

22:31 <Soul_keeper> not if it didn't before

22:32 <jasong> I've never updated it because I'm afraid of doing unusual stuff with the hardware

22:32 <PovAddict> if the disc boots and the built-in verify works, install from it

22:32 <Soul_keeper> do you have a usb flash drive by any chance ?

22:32 <jasong> okay

22:32 <PovAddict> try cmp -v /dev/dvd ubuntu-blah.iso

22:32 <PovAddict> instead of comparing MD5s

22:32 <jasong> oh, I verified it by doing a web search

22:33 <jasong> copied and pasted it from bash into google

22:34 <PovAddict> did you try md5ing the DVD itself with the command I gave you?

22:34 <PovAddict> (DVD/CD/Whatever)

22:38 <jasong> Yeah, that's how I know it was corrupted

22:39 <jasong> If you really want to help me, let's wait until the cd actually gets here, that will reduce the chance that they will have to put me in a room with padded walls ;)

22:39 <PovAddict> but you burned multiple times and every time it gave the same wrong md5?

22:39 <jasong> Well, I didn't archive each md5, but the last one looked really familar

22:40 <PovAddict> did you try putting that one into Google? :)

22:40 <jasong> just a sec, I'll try that

22:41 <jasong> no matches

22:41 <PovAddict> do you have the apparently-wrongly-burned CD now?

22:42 <jasong> Yeah, I just reinstalled it on my quad-core so I can play my favorite game until the other cd comes in the mail

22:42 <jasong> I can play games with the corrupted install, I just can't depend on it for important stuff

22:42 <PovAddict> and do you have the iso you downloaded?

22:42 <jasong> also, the installs are only slightly less stable then windows

22:42 <jasong> yes

22:43 <jasong> It checked out

22:43 <PovAddict> try cmp -v /dev/dvd ubuntu-blah.iso

22:43 <PovAddict> run 'cmp' on the CD device and the iso

22:43 <jasong> okay, as soon as the cd ejects after the install

22:44 <PovAddict> oh you're still installing

22:44 <jasong> Yeah, it hangs for a couple minutes before rebooting

22:47 <jasong> That -v option shouldn't've been in there, I took it out and it's running now

22:48 <PovAddict> oh

22:48 <PovAddict> I saw --verbose and I thought the short version was -v

22:48 <PovAddict> turns out it's -l (for "list")

22:48 <jasong> that's okay, I just looked at the help file

22:50 <jasong> I'm curious to see if the new install agrees about the md5sum the laptop generates for the cd

22:53 <Soul_keeper> HAHA  they are giving "serious consideration" to adding pole dancing as an olympic sport

22:53 <PovAddict> &grab Soul_keeper

22:53 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

22:54 <Soul_keeper> the olympics would be like 5x more popular

23:00 <Soul_keeper> I heard we now have more people filing for bankrupcy per year than college graduates and people diagnosed with cancer combined

23:01 <PovAddict> &grab Soul_keeper

23:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

23:03 <Soul_keeper> what is that for ?

23:03 <Soul_keeper> &commands

23:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: #boinc, 'veryquiet', 8b, 8ball, action, actor, add, airport, alert, announce, answer, any, aol, append, apply, apropos, areacode, artist, asin, at, author, babelize, ban add, ban list, ban remove, base, bchset, beer, bighello, binary, boinc, boincerr, bold, books, botsnack, bticket, bw, bye, cache, cad, cake, calc, capabilities, capability add, capability list, capability remove, (7 more messages)

23:03 <Soul_keeper> that's a lot of junk

23:04 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs get 32

23:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: <Soul_keeper> I heard we now have more people filing for bankrupcy per year than college graduates and people diagnosed with cancer combined (Said by: Soul_keeper!; grabbed by PovAddict! at 11:01 PM, April 21, 2009)

23:04 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs get 9

23:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: <Soul_keeper> i'm the best xmas present a girl could get ... (Said by: Soul_keeper!; grabbed by PovAddict! at 09:09 PM, December 06, 2008)

23:04 <Soul_keeper> excellent :)

23:04 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs quote Soul_keeper

23:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: <Soul_keeper> I heard we now have more people filing for bankrupcy per year than college graduates and people diagnosed with cancer combined

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23:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: <MTughan> I forgot he had flashed you.

23:05 <PovAddict> (funny for a certain definition of "flashing")

23:05 <PovAddict> (funny for a certain definition of "flashing")

23:05 <PovAddict> oops

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23:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: <wdsmia> I have socks older than 29

23:05 <Soul_keeper> lol

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23:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: <Soul_keeper> which day is xmas on ?

23:06 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs random

23:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: <PovAddict> "There comes a time in every young geeks life where he resolves to locate the designer of the motherboard they've just been installing and string them up from the nearest tall object."

23:16 <Soul_keeper> I just don't seem to have the energy to play FPS games anymore

23:16 <Soul_keeper> they always kill me before I can finish joining the server

23:17 <Soul_keeper> then I gotta squint and my eyes water, trying to see those little bastards

23:18 <Soul_keeper> then they call me a noob, and cuss at me

23:19 <Soul_keeper> I guess that's what is meant by the term "a young man's sport"   i'm just now starting to understand what is meant by that ...  well if you consider video games a sport

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