IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-04-23

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00:14 <XioNYC> WEP and NQueens on my Quad G5 churns out a consistent 800 cr. (granted) per diem; Superlink, 975 cr granted; Leiden, 600.

00:15 * XioNYC runs a single app until it reaches 10,000 cr

00:16 <zombie67> ah!  the 10k game!

00:16 <zombie67> I RULED that game until this week!

00:17 <XioNYC> I've seen more PPC-friendly apps, but the problem is in the validation.  F.ex.: WEP and NQueens will grant 70-80% of my CPU's claimed credit.  Lattice takes a while to crunch, but grants 110% of my claimed cr. (on average).

00:17 <zombie67> I just lost it to a team mate:

00:17 <Romulus> <> (at

00:17 <XioNYC> Everything goes fine until *YOU* x86 loonies screw it all up :-D

00:17 <zombie67> me?

00:18 <XioNYC> Yes - you, who stole the credit from my credit jar! !-)

00:18 <zombie67> I have crunched with 5 different PPC machines

00:18 <zombie67> still crunching with one

00:19 <XioNYC> That's got me thinking now... Quad G5, PowerBook G4, Dekstop G3, Performa 6360 (2x)

00:19 <XioNYC> Oh! And a PowerMac 9600/300 that's gathering dust right now.

00:20 <zombie67> me:  quad G5, G5 iMac, two G4 laptops

00:20 <zombie67> and one other I am blanking on

00:21 <zombie67> I had a 605 back in the day

00:21 <zombie67> and then a 650

00:22 <XioNYC> I think I've still got you beat: Mac Plus, IIsi, IIcx, PowerBook 520, & Newton 130.  Only the IIsi and the PowerBook 520 snuffed it.

00:23 <XioNYC> Getting back to topic... the Quad will claim a credit every 5' or so.  The old "BOICN SuperBench" would claim a credit in about 2'15".  No matter what project was crunching, the cr. granted would always be somewhere between 75%-85% of the credit claimed.

00:23 <zombie67> commodore 64

00:23 <XioNYC> Atari 400 & 800XL, and a TI 99/4A.

00:23 <XioNYC> And a Pong machine.

00:23 <zombie67> I had a pong machine!

00:23 <zombie67> square paddles

00:23 * XioNYC nods happily...

00:24 <XioNYC> Best videogame for a booze-up w/ friends.

00:24 <zombie67> heh

00:24 <zombie67> I was in single digits

00:24 <zombie67> a MacNN member?

00:24 <XioNYC> Not quite... MacNN allied, bot not member.

00:25 <XioNYC> <- Lone Wolf

00:25 <zombie67> I mean, are you a member of the BOINC team Team MacNN?

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00:25 <zombie67> ah!

00:25 <XioNYC> No, I'm not team member.

00:26 <zombie67> blue wolf icon?

00:26 <zombie67> avatar?

00:26 <XioNYC> Interstate shield...

00:26 <Romulus> <> (at

00:26 <zombie67> hmmm

00:26 <zombie67> I may be messing you up with another mac user from canada

00:27 <XioNYC> It wouldn't be the first  time I get confused for someone else.

00:27 <XioNYC> It's a big Internet... bound to happen ;-)

00:27 <zombie67> heh

00:29 <XioNYC> Actually (while I'm at it) I might as well tally up how WEP's been doing credit- and time-wise.  I should be hitting 10K today, and I want to see how badly I got x*^ed.

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00:29 <zombie67> wep credits xuxxors

00:30 <zombie67> they award the lesser of two claims

00:30 <zombie67> I am now working on my 500k there

00:30 <zombie67> slooooowly

00:34 <zombie67>

00:34 <Romulus> <> (at

00:37 <XioNYC> I'm seeing (in that loooong history) lots on 100-second, 6-cr-claimed, 2.5-cr-ganted lines...

00:38 <XioNYC> There's gotta be a better way to copy a CPU's stats other than going page by page on the project's site, copying and pasting.

00:39 <zombie67> ask pov

00:39 <zombie67> there may be a way to request a single page with all results

00:40 <zombie67> frankly, if you are running a single project on a machine, there is no need for spreadsheet work

00:40 <zombie67> just look at your daily production on boincstats

00:42 <XioNYC> True, but I'm looking for something a bit more specific than that.  Ex.:

00:43 * XioNYC still typing

00:43 <zombie67> you are trying to learn more about claimed vs granted

00:44 <zombie67> eh?

00:44 <XioNYC> Pretty much.

00:44 <zombie67> the problem is that they grant the lesser of two, instead of the average of two

00:45 <zombie67> WEP forum is here.  Look at this thread.  I could use some help to influence change:

00:45 <Romulus> <> (at

00:45 <XioNYC> Average WEP WU takes 1,106.18 sec to complete, claims 4.74 cr (1 cr every 233.48 sec), gets granted 3.54 cr (1cr every 312.27 sec).

00:46 <zombie67> yes, that is a result of messy benchmarks, and the credit awarding method

00:46 <XioNYC> I'm most interested in per-CPU "1 cr claimed/granted per x sec of work".

00:46 <XioNYC> There seems to be no place to get that kind of stats.

00:46 <zombie67> if you compare linux machines, keep in mind that some are HT.

00:47 <XioNYC> Okay, then... per-CPU&OS stats, then.

00:47 <XioNYC> :-)

00:47 <zombie67> that means twice as long, but two tasks at a time

00:47 <zombie67> no point in comparing

00:47 <XioNYC> Double WU divided by double time = 1/1

00:48 <zombie67> just get them to fix credit awarding logic

00:48 <XioNYC> Ah... but how does one know that the cr. logic is actually working at all without reviewing the data?

00:49 <zombie67> you can tell by looking at any WU

00:49 <zombie67> they always award the lesser of the two valid results

00:49 <XioNYC> But not every WU shows the host's details

00:49 <zombie67> ask them to change it to the average of two

00:49 <zombie67> hosts make no difference

00:49 <XioNYC> I wouldn't be so sure of that.

00:50 <zombie67> yep

00:50 <zombie67> it's al based on claims

00:50 <zombie67> all

00:50 <zombie67> claims are messy, each OS gets different benchmarks, even on the same OS

00:51 <zombie67> So, your mac usually gets less than claimed

00:51 <zombie67> you could improve that

00:51 <zombie67> if they got the average

00:53 <zombie67> I meant to write "even on the same HW"

00:55 <XioNYC> back in 2'

00:57 <XioNYC> ...i hate giving tech-help over the phone... esp. when i can't charge for it... >_<

01:02 <zombie67> +1

01:22 * XioNYC has had his brain drained through his ear...

01:22 <XioNYC> There are simply some people who should stay away from computers.

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03:56 <CoderForLife> &more

03:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Mostly sunny and breezy. Warmer with highs in the lower 80s. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Frost Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 10:00 AM EDT on April 23, 2009;

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04:24 <efc> &more

04:24 <Romulus> efc: 50s. Light and variable winds.; Friday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. Southeast winds 5 to 15 mph.;

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06:17 <wdsmia> &more

06:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: 25 mph in the evening.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Breezy. High in the mid 80s. South wind 15 to 25 mph.;

06:36 <hawmps> 'lo

06:37 <wdsmia> Mornin Jay

06:42 <hawmps> aye

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06:59 <XioNYC> Yay!  5th project with 10K today!

06:59 <XioNYC> I think I'll celebrate w/ b'fast... mmmm :-)

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07:49 <hawmps> I think I need to nuke a poptatr

07:49 <hawmps> er pop tart even...

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09:16 <Caterpillar> hi

09:17 <Soul_keeper> hello

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09:19 <jackygrahamez> hi

09:20 <Soul_keeper> hello

09:20 <jackygrahamez> btw I found out how to extract using babel

09:21 <Soul_keeper> good work

09:21 <jackygrahamez> the feature was not available in earlier versions

09:25 <jackygrahamez> question, I've done this before, but forgot what I did. I want to change the email address used by the server, do I update the httpd.conf? BTW I have Virtual Hosting and I want it to come from a specific domain in the virtual hosting

09:34 <Soul_keeper> for linux or ms ?

09:34 <jackygrahamez> linux

09:34 <Soul_keeper> yeah edit the httpd.conf then

09:35 <Soul_keeper> then   apachectl restart

09:36 <Soul_keeper> ServerAdmin

09:36 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

09:36 <jackygrahamez> ahh ServerAdmin thats right

09:36 <Soul_keeper> bbl

09:36 <Soul_keeper> ServerName

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09:52 <desti> Kubuntu

09:52 <desti>         Xubuntu

09:52 <desti>        Edubuntu

09:52 <desti>       Mythbuntu

09:52 <desti>   Ubuntu Studio

09:52 <Romulus> Title: Kubuntu 9.04 Out in the Wild | Kubuntu (at

09:52 <Romulus> Title: Xubuntu 9.04 Released | Xubuntu (at

09:52 <Romulus> Title: Edubuntu 9.04 Released | edubuntu (at

09:52 <Romulus> Title: Mythbuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope Is Here! | Mythbuntu (at

09:52 <Romulus> Title: Downloads | Ubuntu Studio (at

09:57 <jackygrahamez> none of that ServerAdmin seems to work, maybe there is a daemon I need to restart other than apache

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10:05 <Soul_keeper> jackygrahamez, is this what you're looking for   /etc/httpd/extra/httpd-vhosts.conf

10:07 <jackygrahamez> I don't have the virtual hosts as a seperate file but rather at the tail of the httpd.conf

10:07 <jackygrahamez> I'm going to try rebooting

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10:09 <jackygrahamez> I tried entering the ServerAdmin and ServerName in both the main part of the file and the virtual host

10:09 <jackygrahamez> neither had an effect

10:10 <jackygrahamez> I checked how it was done on the other project and it looks like I'm doing it right

10:10 <Soul_keeper> shouldn't have to reboot, unless you use windows

10:11 <Soul_keeper> i've never messed with virtual hosts, have you checked  ?

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10:22 <jackygrahamez> in I used the define function and that worked

10:22 <jackygrahamez> define("EMAIL_FROM",      "");

10:23 <Soul_keeper> ok

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11:30 <mweltin> ga'day mates!

11:31 <Soul_keeper> excellent

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11:38 <mweltin> how is the Soul man today?

11:38 <Soul_keeper> ok

11:43 * jackygrahamez cowars in fear

12:01 <hawmps> no fear

12:02 <Soul_keeper> I think AMD's new 955 might have just put them above core2 quad

12:03 <Soul_keeper>

12:03 <Romulus> <> (at


12:04 <mweltin> lol

12:04 <mweltin> you run slack?

12:04 <Soul_keeper> :)

12:05 <Soul_keeper> yes  and slamd64

12:05 <mweltin> my workstation is slackware, and for some reason everyone at work gives me crap about it.  screw them.

12:06 <Soul_keeper> yeah, they just don't understand it

12:06 <Soul_keeper> they fear you :)

12:07 <Soul_keeper> I've got slamd on 2 systems and slackware on 2 others

12:08 <mweltin> I'm checking out now.

12:08 <mweltin> not sure how it's used.

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12:09 <mweltin> it's not just a network testing tool, it actually tests network apps?

12:09 <Soul_keeper> it's basically a 64-bit port of the current slackware release,  the packages are recompiled with 64-bit libs  which get stored in  /usr/lib64 /lib64   and 32-bit compat libs keep their standard locations

12:10 <Soul_keeper>

12:10 <Romulus> Title: Slamd64 (at

12:10 <Soul_keeper> hmmm didn't know there was an app called slamd,  shows how much I pay attention

12:11 <mweltin> that is everyones criticism of slack is the lack of packages for it.

12:12 <mweltin> usually it's not a problem, but mysql gui tools seem to have a endless trail of dependencies.

12:14 <Soul_keeper> they have made a lot of progress with build scripts,   and

12:14 <Romulus> Title: (at

12:14 <Soul_keeper> I prefer installing everything from source myself so this method is preferred for me

12:17 <mweltin> I do to.  I can do everything from the command line in mysql that I need. I'd just like a pretty picture of my database for my student workers.

12:17 <mweltin> they like picture.

12:17 <mweltin> s

12:17 <Soul_keeper> makes sense

12:25 <mweltin> how do you search for a string in emacs?

12:26 <PovAddict> C-x C-c vim <enter>

12:27 <mweltin> LOL

12:27 <mweltin> bless you PovAddict, that was precious.

12:27 <PovAddict> then, once in vim, you use /searchstring

12:29 <mweltin> that was worthy of a post

12:29 <PovAddict> I took it from a post; I don't know how to quit emacs myself XD

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12:55 <xionyc> ESC-` f e

12:55 <xionyc> Personally, I prefer ⌘⌥⎋

12:55 <PovAddict> :q

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13:07 <zombie67> pov

13:07 <zombie67> JM7:  "The lower the number is (the more negative) the more time it owes to the

13:07 <zombie67> system."

13:09 <PovAddict> thread?

13:09 <zombie67> email

13:10 <zombie67> check your inbox

13:11 <PovAddict> "all the projects on my machine have debt of 0 or less than 0" then it really was changed completely... it used to be that the sum of debts was 0

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13:28 <Soul_keeper>    wow, an 80 post thread of people just showing off their pics of decked out cases

13:28 <Romulus> Title: GameSpot Forums - PC Hardware Discussion - Rate My Rig (Specs, Pics, etc.) and Benchmarking! (at

13:28 <PovAddict> geek pr0n

13:29 <jackygrahamez> &dow

13:29 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Are you daft?

13:29 <PovAddict> dow?

13:29 <jackygrahamez> just wondering

13:30 <PovAddict> &stock DJI

13:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: Are you daft?

13:30 <PovAddict> &list stock

13:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: quote

13:30 <PovAddict> &stock quote DJI

13:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I couldn't find a listing for DJI

13:30 <PovAddict> hmph wonder if it works at all

13:30 <PovAddict> &stock quote JAVA

13:30 <jackygrahamez> &stock

13:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: The current price of JAVA is 9.20, as of 1:15pm EST.  A change of +0.05 from the last business day.

13:30 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Are you daft?

13:31 <PovAddict> what's the right symbol? :/

13:31 <PovAddict> &help stock quote

13:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: (stock quote <company symbol>) -- Gets the information about the current price and change from the previous day of a given company (represented by a stock symbol).

13:31 <Soul_keeper> would depend on what site they are using

13:31 <PovAddict> &stock quote ^DJI

13:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: The current price of ^DJI is 7897.96, as of 1:31pm EST.  A change of +11.39 from the last business day.

13:32 <PovAddict> there you go

13:32 <Soul_keeper> symbols can differ from site to site, I guess that one is using yahoo

13:36 <PovAddict> indices start with ^ in yahoo at least

13:36 <PovAddict> &stock quote ^IXIC

13:36 <Romulus> PovAddict: The current price of ^IXIC is 1645.75, as of 1:36pm EST.  A change of -0.37 from the last business day.

13:37 <PovAddict> Sun stock skyrocketted again with Oracle purchase

13:38 <Soul_keeper> they are only paying 9.50 per share on the purchase, so don't expect it to skyrocket anymore

13:39 <PovAddict> yeah well that's what it went up to

13:39 <PovAddict> I mean, it was at 4.something before IBM purchase rumors

13:39 <Soul_keeper> :)

13:40 <PovAddict> went up to 9

13:40 <PovAddict> back down to 5-6 when IBM went away

13:40 <Soul_keeper> I drove by an oracle building yesterday ...

13:41 <PovAddict> back up at 9 on the 17th

13:41 <Soul_keeper> yahoo and sony's north american headquarters also

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13:43 <jackygrahamez> &stock quote ^IBM

13:43 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Error: I couldn't find a listing for ^IBM

13:43 <Soul_keeper> -^  it's not an indice

13:44 <jackygrahamez> &stock quote IBM

13:44 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: The current price of IBM is 101.03, as of 1:29pm EST.  A change of -1.52 from the last business day.

13:44 <MTughan> &stock quote APPL

13:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: I couldn't find a listing for APPL

13:44 <MTughan> Oh well... Apparently, Apple had record earnings last year, despite the recession/depression.

13:45 <Soul_keeper> AAPL

13:45 <MTughan> Oops... Thanks.

13:45 <MTughan> &stock quote AAPl

13:45 <Romulus> MTughan: The current price of AAPL is 125.56, as of 1:30pm EST.  A change of +4.05 from the last business day.

13:45 <MTughan> And I'm guessing they're up so much today because of those announcements...

13:45 <Soul_keeper> yes, the earnings

13:45 <MTughan>

13:45 <Romulus> Title: Apple is too cool for the recession, posts record earnings - The Tech Report (at

13:46 <jackygrahamez> &stock quote ^FTSE

13:46 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: The current price of ^FTSE is 4018.23, as of 11:35am EST.  A change of -12.43 from the last business day.

13:46 <MTughan> FTSE?

13:46 <Soul_keeper> england

13:46 <jackygrahamez> &stock quote ^TSX

13:46 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Error: I couldn't find a listing for ^TSX

13:46 <Soul_keeper> ^GSPTSE

13:47 <jackygrahamez> &stock quote ^NYSE

13:47 <Soul_keeper> ^SPCDNX

13:47 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Error: I couldn't find a listing for ^NYSE

13:47 <MTughan> &stock quote TSX

13:47 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: I couldn't find a listing for TSX

13:47 <Soul_keeper> those are the two major canadian exchanges

13:47 <Soul_keeper> err indices

13:47 <MTughan> Which ones? GSPTSE and SPCDNX?

13:47 <jackygrahamez> &stock quote ^Nasdaq

13:47 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Error: I couldn't find a listing for ^Nasdaq

13:47 <jackygrahamez> &stock quote ^NASDAQ

13:47 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Error: I couldn't find a listing for ^NASDAQ

13:47 <MTughan> &stock quote ^GSPTSE

13:47 <Romulus> MTughan: The current price of ^GSPTSE is 9377.56, as of 1:32pm EST.  A change of +98.41 from the last business day.

13:48 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, yes, join my channel and type !help   that's all my bot specializes in in stocks/financial

13:48 <ELGono> lo dudes

13:49 <Soul_keeper> hello

13:49 <jackygrahamez> &stock quote RST

13:49 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: The current price of RST is 25.20, as of 1:34pm EST.  A change of -0.98 from the last business day.

13:50 * jackygrahamez buys 1 million shares of RST

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13:51 <Soul_keeper> my bot supports paper trading :)

13:51 <ELGono> i really got stucked on nvidia 96 driver on linux

13:52 <ELGono> it runs but won't let me set any resolution above 640x480

13:52 <Soul_keeper> ELGono, what video card ?

13:52 <Soul_keeper> 64-bit or 32-bit linux ?

13:52 <Soul_keeper> cuda ?

13:52 <Romulus> Rumor has it cuda is graphics, Soul_keeper

13:52 <ELGono> geforce 4 ti 4200

13:53 <ELGono> 32 bit

13:53 <Soul_keeper> nice, I used to have one of those till I spilled water on it

13:54 <Soul_keeper>   ?

13:55 <jackygrahamez> is there a good listing of motherboards compatible with NVIDIA cards? Maybe I should ask that on their channel

13:56 <Soul_keeper> that's an odd question to me ...

13:56 <ELGono> Soul_keeper : is installed

13:56 <jackygrahamez> I'm thinking about building a multi-gpu computer

13:57 <Soul_keeper> ELGono,   did you read over this real fast and see if anything is afoot !

13:57 <Romulus> <> (at

13:57 <Soul_keeper> :)

13:58 <jackygrahamez> I think I found what I was looking for

13:58 <Romulus> <> (at

13:58 <Soul_keeper> are you using gnome by any chance ?

13:59 <ELGono> Soul_keeper : gnome yes

13:59 <Soul_keeper> it's a known issue

13:59 <Soul_keeper> the solution is in the readme

13:59 <Soul_keeper> Q. Using GNOME configuration utilities, I am unable to get a resolution above

13:59 <Soul_keeper>    800x600. What is wrong?

13:59 <Soul_keeper> search for that

14:00 <Soul_keeper> ".....Your desktop resolution will be limited to the smaller of the

14:00 <Soul_keeper>    two settings. ....."

14:07 <ELGono> thx SK

14:08 <Soul_keeper> did that fix it ?

14:09 <ELGono> switching to KDE anyhow, so doing this first before investigating further

14:09 <Soul_keeper> ok

14:10 <Soul_keeper> those readme's for the nvidia drivers are pretty handy, I often save them to my harddrive incase I have an issue at some point

14:11 <ELGono> indeed

14:12 <ELGono> searched a hundret forum pages with solutions wich didn't work

14:12 <ELGono> that it might be a gnome problem ....

14:12 <ELGono> was not discussed

14:14 <ELGono> it a friends box

14:14 <ELGono> i refused to install windows again

14:14 <ELGono> was his second virus downage this year

14:15 <hawmps> 'lo ElG

14:15 <ELGono> lo jay

14:15 <mweltin> you just need better friends

14:15 <ELGono> lol

14:17 <Soul_keeper> Last Updated: $Date: 2002/05/12 $

14:17 * Soul_keeper notices he has some really old nvidia drivers archived on his backup drive

14:18 <ELGono> hehe

14:18 <Soul_keeper> back when the drives were like 6MB and when they had the 2 part driver model

14:18 <ELGono> never change a running system hehe

14:21 <Soul_keeper> I guess the drivers havn't grown that much in linux,  much larger for the windows users

14:24 <Nickuwo> wtf, fresh boinc install, getting boatloads of 22>LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file '.\build\win32\debug\libboinc_staticcrt.lib'

14:24 <PovAddict> compiling?

14:24 <Romulus> Somebody said compiling is a pain in the butt, especially if you want the manager, PovAddict

14:25 <PovAddict> ffs

14:25 <PovAddict> &list

14:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: Admin, Alias, Amazon, Anonymous, AutoMode, Babelfish, BadWords, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Currency, CyborgName, Darcs, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Freenode, Games, Google, Herald, Infobot, Insult, Internet, Karma, Lart, Lookup, Math, Memo, Misc, News, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Peak, Plugin, Postman, Praise, Protector, Quote, QuoteGrabs, RSS, (1 more message)

14:25 <PovAddict> &more

14:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: Relay, Reply, RootWarner, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, Stock, String, Success, Supybot, Tail, Time, URL, Unix, UrbanDict, User, Utilities, Weather, Web, WordStats, and Zipinfo

14:25 <Nickuwo> yea

14:25 <PovAddict> &list factoids

14:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis

14:25 <PovAddict> &whatis compiling

14:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: No factoid matches that key.

14:26 <Nickuwo> hmm, no ssl.h...

14:28 <PovAddict> found it; infobot plugin

14:28 <PovAddict> that's the one annoying us

14:29 <jackygrahamez> Is there a good way to post RSS feed posts other than editing it with VIM?

14:29 <jackygrahamez> Eric M. told me about a special editor...but I forgot the details...

14:31 <PovAddict> nope, only way is editing by hand

14:31 <Nickuwo> ../../boinc_depends_win_vs2005/openssl/include? wtf

14:32 <PovAddict> Nickuwo: are you using trunk?

14:32 <Nickuwo> ya

14:32 <PovAddict> you have to checkout separately

14:32 <Romulus> <> (at

14:32 <jackygrahamez> ok

14:33 <PovAddict> people who *didn't* need those 200MB of Windows libraries (for example, Linux users!) were getting them anyway, wasting space and bandwidth

14:33 <Nickuwo> the wiki sux

14:33 <Nickuwo> thx pov

14:33 <PovAddict> so it was moved to a separate folder

14:33 <PovAddict> and yes, the change wasn't documented, go whine at Rom if you want to :D

14:33 <PovAddict> or edit the wiki yourself

14:34 <Nickuwo> i have to do everything around here :)

14:35 <PovAddict> that's what wikis are about

14:35 <mweltin> you sound like my wife, but at least in her case it's ture.

14:35 <PovAddict> "instead of documenting it, let's create a wiki and let our users write the documentation for us"

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15:02 <ELGono> Soul_keeper : takes a bit more time...

15:03 <ELGono> 9.04 upgrade

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15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

15:11 <ELGono> moinsen

15:11 <jackygrahamez> what could cause exit status: 0xc0000005?

15:12 <PovAddict> it's like a segfault on Linux

15:12 <jackygrahamez> this guy has a quad core running xp, the app is using some cygwin dlls

15:13 <PovAddict> your app deferenced a null pointer or something

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15:35 <Nickuwo> im getting runtime errors about not finding libcurl.dll and zlib.dll running the compiled version of example_app. do i have to put boinc_depends..\curl\mswin\win32\debug\lib in my path?

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15:35 <PovAddict> aren't they already there?

15:36 <PovAddict> anyway, you don't need libcurl or zlib for example_app...

15:36 <PovAddict> example_app shouldn't be linking to them

15:36 <Nickuwo> nm, got it, thx

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16:05 <xcamel> re-hi

16:08 <mweltin> hey x

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16:13 <XioNYC> I know ISPs don't guarantee connectivity, but I'm getting a little sick and tired of being "hiccupped" off the tubes

16:16 <yoyo[RKN]> jackygrahamez: ?

16:16 <Romulus> Somebody said jackygrahamez: is there a <Directory "/home/boincadm/projects/mothership/html/user">Allow from All</Directory> directive in the configuration, yoyo[RKN]

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16:26 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:26 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 44.0F / 6.7C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then clearing. Breezy with lows in the mid 30s. West winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph...becoming southwest 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Friday - Sunny. Not as cool with highs in the (1 more message)

16:26 <xcamel> &more

16:26 <Romulus> xcamel: lower 70s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming south 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Friday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Not as cool with lows in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

16:26 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

16:26 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 62.1F / 16.7C | Humidity: 30% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1019.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 13.0mph / 20.9km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 40. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming southwest around 5 mph after midnight.; Friday - Sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. South winds around 5 mph... increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the (1 more message)

16:26 <jackygrahamez> &more

16:26 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: afternoon.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

16:27 <xcamel> gonna warm up bigtime..

16:27 <jackygrahamez> tonight a bit chilly

16:28 <xcamel> indeed

16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> jackygrahamez : did you cancel the faulty wus?

16:29 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

16:29 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 10:20 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:59 F.; Clear. Low:39 F.; Clear. High:66 F.; Clear. Low:44 F.; Clear. High:68 F.; Clear. Low:51 F.;

16:30 * Soul_keeper has no friends, he can see thru the lies

16:35 <desti>

16:35 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:23 <CoderForLife> greetings

17:27 <Soul_keeper> now what ?

17:27 <Romulus> Rumor has it now what is I doing before having to go for biology, Soul_keeper

17:27 <Soul_keeper> is it dinner time yet ?

17:30 <Soul_keeper> I left something I obviousely can't afford in my "shopping cart" at newegg for like 2 weeks.  now newegg e-mails you and tells you to call them if you need help

17:31 <CoderForLife> tell them to send money

17:32 <Soul_keeper> lol

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17:47 <xcamel> lawyers, guns, and money.

17:47 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:52 <CoderForLife> bullets, beans, bullion and babes

18:33 <xcamel> meaty, beaty, big and bouncy?

18:34 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:34 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 72.8F / 22.7C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1003.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. South wind 5 to 10 mph. Gusts up to 20 mph in the evening.; Friday - Sunny...breezy. High in the mid 80s. South wind 10 to 25 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy until early (1 more message)

18:34 <wdsmia> &more

18:34 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning then becoming mostly cloudy. A 40 percent chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the upper 50s. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.;

18:49 <Soul_keeper> what is meant when someone says   M-m   for a key command ?

18:50 <Soul_keeper> is that supposed to be ctrl-m  ?

18:50 <Soul_keeper> shift-m  maybe ?

18:51 <CoderForLife> dunno

18:53 <Soul_keeper> is  keycode  a synonym for keyseq ?

18:53 <Soul_keeper> trying to figure out how to bind a key (keycode 111) to a program  "import -window root test.png"

18:55 <Soul_keeper> bind -x keyseq:shell-command

18:56 <xcamel> got me hangin..

18:56 <Soul_keeper> keycode 111 (keysym 0xff61, Print)     FROM xev

19:00 <Soul_keeper> bind -x '"\e[24~":"import -window root test.png"'

19:00 <Soul_keeper> ok that just fryed my F12 key

19:08 <Soul_keeper> bind -x '"\ep":import -window root /tmp/test.png'

19:11 <Soul_keeper> still not doing what I want

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19:22 <PovAddict> forget jackygrahamez:

19:22 <Romulus> Gotcha.

19:24 <xcamel> &forget PovAddict

19:24 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: There is no such factoid.

19:25 <PovAddict> testing

19:25 <PovAddict> xcamel?

19:25 <Romulus> Somebody said xcamel is about this ][ close to ordering a modbook, PovAddict

19:26 <xcamel> PovAddict?

19:26 <Romulus> I guess PovAddict is the only one who could really help you right now, xcamel

19:26 <xcamel> lol

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20:17 <xcamel> neener

21:40 <Soul_keeper> note to self: don't type  cat /dev/console

21:42 <PovAddict> :(){ :|:&};:

21:43 <PovAddict> try typing that in bash if you dare

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22:24 <PovAddict> who wants a swiss army knife?

22:24 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: Giant Swiss Army Knife (at

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22:33 <jasong> Any Linux experts or semi-experts on here?

22:34 <jasong> If I transfer all the directories starting with a dot onto a dvd, reinstall my OS and tranfer everything back where it was, will my OS be close to what it was?  It's the same OS, except I suspect that I installed the wrong cpu mods

22:35 <jasong> I think I installed i386, when it should have been AMD64

22:35 <PovAddict> you should make a tar archive of all your dot-directories in your home directory, then put the tar into a DVD

22:35 <PovAddict> if you just put the directories into the DVD directly, it won't keep Unix permissions

22:35 <jasong> What's the command for that?

22:35 <jasong> ahhh, didn't know taht

22:36 <jasong> What's the command to systematically find and tar all the "." directories

22:36 <PovAddict> hm hold on, there is a possible problem

22:36 <jasong> there always is :)

22:36 <PovAddict> if you do .* to get all directories starting with a dot, it will also include . and ..

22:36 <PovAddict> current and parent directory

22:36 <PovAddict> so you'll end up archiving the whole /home :P

22:36 <jasong> oh

22:37 <jasong> just a sec, I'm going to see how big that will be

22:37 <PovAddict> of course, burning your whole /home/jasong isn't a bad idea, unless it's too big

22:38 <PovAddict> du -hs $HOME

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22:40 <jasong> 23gig, but I'm willing to abandon my torrent stuff(or at least, most of it) so more like 12-13gig

22:41 <PovAddict> let's test by making an archive and storing it in /dev/null (ie. nowhere)

22:41 <jasong> ok

22:41 <PovAddict> what's the path to your torrent stuff?

22:41 <jasong> /home/jason/torrents

22:43 <jasong> brb, reloading the drink

22:46 <jasong> back

22:49 <PovAddict> tar cv --exclude "/home/jason/torrents" -f /dev/null $HOME | less

22:50 <PovAddict> give a quick look to see if the list of files seems ok, and if it's filtering out 'torrents' as it should

22:51 <PovAddict> do you use KDE or GNOME?

22:53 <jasong> I use whatever's standard with Ubuntu, I've never changed it

22:53 <PovAddict> ubuntu or kubuntu?

22:54 <jasong> ubuntu

22:54 <PovAddict> then gnome :)

22:54 <jasong> ok :)

22:54 <jasong> KDE looks like Vista?

22:54 <jasong> I seem to remember hearing that

22:54 <PovAddict> get 'boabab' from... whatever Gnome has to install software

22:54 <jasong> okay

22:55 <PovAddict> oops Baobab

22:55 <jasong> looks like it's already installed

22:56 <PovAddict> good, then run it and make it scan your whole home directory

22:56 <jasong> It's a sub-utility of an installed pacakge apparently

22:56 * jasong wonders where his ability to type just went

22:56 <jasong> okay, just a sec

22:56 <PovAddict> it lets you see what's eating up space, in quite a visual way

22:56 <Romulus> <> (at

22:57 <jasong> ahh, yeah, I'd forgotten about that utility

22:58 <jasong> i'm not super-attached to my torrents, I keep them so I have more chances to improve my ratio

22:58 <jasong> I can just wipe them out if that helps

22:58 <jasong> They're about half the size of my total taken up space.  (can't think of a better way of phrasing that)

22:58 <PovAddict> you could "backup" your home directory without having to use external media (a DVD), but it's kinda tricky

22:59 <PovAddict> it's good to keep home directory in a separate partition, so you can replace the OS completely (wipe root partition) without losing any data

22:59 <PovAddict> I'll admit I haven't done that (and I wish I had)

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23:00 <jasong> How about we wipe the torrents and call it a lesson learned by me? :)

23:00 <Soul_keeper> note to self:  don't write a program that does that kinda crazy stuff again  "bring down system"

23:00 <PovAddict> it'd be technically possible to: shrink your current partition, make a new one on the free space, copy /home there, wipe first partition, reinstall OS, make it use the second partition for /home

23:01 <jasong> Yeah, you put into words what I wasn't willing to ask of you

23:01 <PovAddict> but... tricky

23:01 <jasong> well, if we destroy the os, I won't hate you

23:02 <jasong> just don't do it on purpose :)

23:02 <PovAddict> we *will* destroy the OS, that's what you want :P (install a different version)

23:02 <jasong> lol, ok

23:02 <PovAddict> what's important is not destroying your data :)

23:02 <PovAddict> btw this is what KDE4 looks like

23:02 <Romulus> <> (at

23:02 <PovAddict> your call if that's Vista-like or not

23:03 <jasong> Nah, that's just something I thought someone had told me

23:06 <Soul_keeper> damnit, I hate it when I discover something that I just have to learn

23:06 <jasong> What's that?

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23:06 <Soul_keeper> some new libraries and such

23:06 <PovAddict> efc:

23:06 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: Giant Swiss Army Knife (at

23:06 <efc> Moo

23:06 <Soul_keeper> hours of reading when my eyes aren't tired tomarrow

23:07 <efc> Haha. I bet you have to have a permit to buy one!

23:07 <PovAddict> you have to have a high salary too - look at the price

23:08 <efc> Possibly a good deal for that many knives..

23:10 <efc> I think there's a full set of dental and surgical implements in there

23:10 <PovAddict> lol

23:11 <PovAddict> freaky stuff

23:11 <Romulus> <> (at

23:11 <efc> Did they have the constellations T-shirt? I want one of those

23:12 <jasong> Thanks, for offering the help, but an older version of you just logged on, so I'm going to ask him for help :)

23:13 <PovAddict> yeah I have to sleep too

23:13 <jasong> gn

23:16 <efc> Baseball size hail this evening

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