00:00 <Tank_Master> got .49 credits so far today!
00:00 <Tank_Master> no, not really
00:00 <PovAddict> see...
00:00 <zombie67> yep, double clicking starts "Archive Utility", and it expands just fine
00:01 <jackygrahamez_> which os is your ppc?
00:01 <jackygrahamez_> I used an unzip for leopard
00:01 <jackygrahamez_> had trouble with the mac zip binaries fron zip-info
00:02 <PovAddict> what's in the zip?
00:02 <PovAddict> &whatis drugdiscovery
00:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: "drugdiscovery" could be New BOINC project, models the behavor of lead compounds that could be developed into new medicines.
00:02 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: can I post your project URL?
00:03 <jackygrahamez_> ok
00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
00:04 <PovAddict> zombie67: what's the zip file called?
00:04 <zombie67> Tiger is the OS 10.4
00:04 <Tank_Master> &whatis drugdiscovery
00:04 <Romulus> Tank_Master: "drugdiscovery" could be (#1) New BOINC project, models the behavor of lead compounds that could be developed into new medicines., or (#2) http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/
00:04 <jackygrahamez_> ah that's probably why
00:04 <jackygrahamez_> I need something that will work on multiple mac os
00:05 <zombie67> wait
00:05 <zombie67> I have an intel Tiger machine
00:05 <zombie67> send a task to 93
00:05 <Tank_Master> no, send it to 94!
00:05 <PovAddict> stfu Tank_Master
00:06 <Tank_Master> oh wait, mine isnt a mac
00:06 <PovAddict> can someone tell me how the damn zipfile is called?
00:06 <Tank_Master> you stfu pov
00:06 <Tank_Master> :P
00:06 <jackygrahamez_> hold
00:06 <PovAddict> fine
00:06 <Tank_Master> lol
00:06 <zombie67> just a sec
00:07 <zombie67> zip file is "MGLToolsPckgs.zip"
00:07 <zombie67> Ah!
00:07 <PovAddict> giant
00:07 <zombie67> there is a zip inside the zip?
00:07 <Tank_Master> o0
00:07 <PovAddict> at least I'm getting good speed
00:07 <PovAddict> zombie67: no... it's renamed
00:07 <jackygrahamez_> its a logical name
00:08 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: do you know python?
00:08 <PovAddict> or are you just using this app totally unmodified?
00:09 * PovAddict still downloading zip, 80%
00:09 <zombie67> all I know is that I have alot of files in the dir, plus the zip
00:09 <jackygrahamez_> trying to leave it unmolested so less work with updates...I know a very little Python
00:09 <jackygrahamez_> I discussed with the lead developer porting this to BOINC
00:10 <Tank_Master> yes, a molested app is not fun to crunch on
00:10 <jackygrahamez_> He identified certain packages I would not need, so I tossed them out
00:10 <zombie67> Yep, same problem with my intel/tiger machine
00:11 <jackygrahamez_> its the zip then
00:11 <jackygrahamez_> the unzip rather
00:11 <Tank_Master> so tiger isnt able to unzip?
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00:11 <zombie67> Tiger unzips fine
00:11 <jackygrahamez_> I distribute an incompatible unzip
00:11 <Tank_Master> I ment this zip file that jack is sending
00:11 <zombie67> [21:00] <zombie67> yep, double clicking starts "Archive Utility", and it expands just fine
00:11 <PovAddict_> &last --from PovAddict --nolimit
00:11 <Romulus> PovAddict_: [00:09:00] * PovAddict still downloading zip, 80%, [00:08:45] <PovAddict> or are you just using this app totally unmodified?, [00:08:32] <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: do you know python?, [00:07:51] <PovAddict> zombie67: no... it's renamed, [00:07:45] <PovAddict> at least I'm getting good speed, [00:07:33] <PovAddict> giant, [00:06:23] <PovAddict> fine, [00:06:12] <PovAddict> can someone (13 more messages)
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00:12 <PovAddict> what the heck is my boincmgr doing?
00:12 <PovAddict> lol look at this
00:12 <PovAddict> look at the progress bars
00:12 <PovAddict> they don't match the % they say
00:12 <zombie67> can't contact host
00:12 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: you're bundling way too many things in that zip... you have full networking and GUI libraries in there, which this science app surely does not use
00:12 <PovAddict> and all the HTML documentation of the MGLTools
00:13 <Tank_Master> isnt documentation a good thing?
00:13 <zombie67> I am going to suspend my tiger machine until someone tells me this has been resolved.
00:13 <PovAddict> and the Windows version of Python is in that Mac-only zip too
00:14 <zombie67> pov, working now....what version of BM is that?
00:14 <PovAddict> however, your hanging is strange; unzipping this zip file took three seconds
00:14 <zombie67> yep, unzipping by double clicking is less than a second
00:14 <PovAddict> @zombie67
00:14 <jackygrahamez_> I thought I took Network out...Its past my bedtime but if someone uncovers a good unzip...let me know...hard to keep track of whats in all of these MGLToolsPcks
00:15 <jackygrahamez_> night guys
00:15 <zombie67> gn
00:15 <PovAddict> largest thing in that zip is the Python static library, which is only useful during compilation, not at runtime
00:15 <Tank_Master> gn jack
00:15 <Tank_Master> thx for the fixes :)
00:15 <PovAddict> second largest is a PDF, lol
00:15 <zombie67> pov, well, you answered your own question. that's not berkeley's
00:15 <PovAddict> yup
00:15 <jackygrahamez_> sznnnzzz
00:16 <PovAddict> lol, there's even a Python extension to play video in this zip
00:16 <PovAddict> pymedia/video/vcodec.so, 1MB
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00:17 <zombie67> mercy!
00:17 <PovAddict> the PDF is 4MB
00:17 <bigt0242000> pov, is that synecdoche your running?
00:17 <PovAddict> the static lib (useless at runtime) is 6MB
00:17 <PovAddict> yes bigt0242000
00:18 <PovAddict> I majorly broke it last night
00:18 <bigt0242000> lol
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00:18 <PovAddict> I made a mistake when modifying the ends_with function, turned out giving the opposite answer than it should
00:19 <PovAddict> next time I restarted the client, it thought "account_climateprediction.net.xml" *didn't* end with ".xml" (because ends_with gave the opposite answer)
00:19 <PovAddict> and same for all other account files
00:19 <PovAddict> and it went and detached every project
00:19 <bigt0242000> ouch
00:19 <PovAddict> lost a CPDN WU and two AQUA WUs
00:19 <PovAddict> note to self, don't ever do code cleanup at 3 am again
00:20 <bigt0242000> yeah i read that in the log lol
00:21 <bigt0242000> i'm trying to figure out why i get a r6034 error when trying to run it. i think it's got to do with the dependancies.
00:26 <zombie67> also, don't use long running task projects on the same machine you are using for development.
00:27 <PovAddict> well, I was specifically testing CPDN last week
00:27 <PovAddict> trickles didn't work
00:28 <PovAddict> also... "eating my own dogfood"...
00:28 <PovAddict> losing a CPDN WU should motivate me to be more careful next time :]
00:36 <PovAddict> sometimes I wonder if DA eats his own dogfood
00:38 <PovAddict> only started crunching seriously in the past few months, or does CUDA give INSANELY higher credits?
00:39 * PovAddict pokes zombie67
00:39 <zombie67> don't let the graphs fool you
00:39 <zombie67> his largest day recently was only 10k
00:40 <Tank_Master> looks like DA is cheeting
00:40 <Tank_Master> :P
00:40 <PovAddict> look at "last months" graph
00:40 <zombie67> with a good CUDA GPU, you can do 12k/day
00:40 <PovAddict> it's like he didn't crunch at all for two years
00:40 <PovAddict> he developed BOINC without testing it in real world projects?
00:40 <zombie67> He *didn't* crunch for most of the history
00:40 <PovAddict> only boinc alpha?
00:40 <zombie67> he only crunched recently for CUDA development
00:41 <zombie67> no, not even BOINC alpha
00:41 <zombie67> that would have been captured by BOINCstats
00:41 <PovAddict> I think he has an internal project for testing though
00:41 * PovAddict thinks Alpha shouldn't give credits
00:41 <PovAddict> or give 1/100th
00:41 <zombie67> alpha credit are already minimal for windows machines
00:42 <zombie67> and completely non-existant for macs
00:42 <zombie67> I mean macs are awarded 0 credits
00:42 <zombie67> this I know
00:42 <PovAddict> it should completely discourage people from running the project outside testing
00:42 <zombie67> then what is the motivation to test?
00:43 <zombie67> altruism works for only a few
00:43 <PovAddict> those who run the project just for the credits aren't really testing
00:43 <PovAddict> I don't think that kind of people would run super-recent clients and report their problems in the mailing lists
00:43 <zombie67> I think there are those that crunch for credits, and those that crunch for only altruism
00:44 <PovAddict> the testing project is a whole different beast
00:44 <zombie67> but they are not exclusive
00:44 <PovAddict> you're supposed to TEST, not cruch
00:44 <PovAddict> test involves crunching
00:44 <zombie67> pov, I test, I find problems frequently
00:44 <zombie67> but I will NOT report to the list
00:44 <PovAddict> http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha/show_user.php?userid=259 <- look at his total credits
00:44 <PovAddict> I'll guess he's not even looking at his machines
00:45 <zombie67> his rac is only 16
00:45 <PovAddict> tank_master's RAC of 400 in alpha is disturbing
00:45 <zombie67> no big loss
00:45 <zombie67> oh right
00:45 <zombie67> RAC is not working right there
00:46 <PovAddict> I'll sort by credit/week on boincstats
00:46 <PovAddict> heh, YOU are the one with most credit/week there :D
00:46 <zombie67> what? I am like 25/day
00:46 <PovAddict> boincstats says 79/day, and next one in list has 27/day
00:47 <PovAddict> you have 414/week, next in list 212/week
00:47 <zombie67> that was an abberation
00:47 <zombie67> look at my charts
00:48 * PovAddict stops BOINCing for the night
00:48 <PovAddict> I have 2148 files to run through packjpg (to decompress them)
00:48 <zombie67> you need more horsepower
00:49 <zombie67> get yourself a mac pro
00:49 <PovAddict> each takes 7 seconds
00:49 <PovAddict> &google calc 7.34 seconds * 2148 / 2
00:49 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:49 <PovAddict> (divided by two because I'll use both CPU cores at once)
00:49 <zombie67> like 4 hours
00:49 <PovAddict> phew, 2 hours only
00:50 <zombie67> two cpus?
00:50 <PovAddict> dual core, yeah
00:50 <PovAddict> that's why I divided by 2 in that &google calc
00:50 <PovAddict> it may be that I chose a bad file to test how much it takes, though
00:51 * PovAddict decompresses eleven files
00:51 <Tank_Master> I have a rac of 400 in alpha?
00:51 <Tank_Master> I havent ran ithat in years
00:51 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: yes, RAC is stuck
00:51 <PovAddict> 7/11
00:52 <zombie67> ANOTHER damn annoying thing about BOINC project creation.
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00:52 <PovAddict> yup, each seems to take fairly different time
00:52 <zombie67> RAC decay is NEVER working
00:52 <PovAddict> I think RAC should decay every time any part of the system tries to get a user's RAC
00:52 <zombie67> you always have to aks to have it turned on
00:52 <PovAddict> like, each time you go to show_user.php, it runs the decay on that one user
00:52 <PovAddict> that way you always see up-to-date info
00:52 <zombie67> and then you have to explain it to the admins HOW to turn it on
00:53 <PovAddict> ok took 80.84s for 11 files
00:53 <Tank_Master> s
00:53 <PovAddict> so yeah, 2 hours
00:54 <zombie67> and then they say "it was already running....Oh wait....I seem to have a cron problem"
00:54 <Tank_Master> lol
00:55 <PovAddict> there, job running
00:55 <zombie67> "fixed!" No it's not. "What! It keeps stopping for no reason! I don't grok cron!"
00:55 <PovAddict> "don't know cron? what are you doing administrating a Linux server?"
00:56 <zombie67> too late to claim ignorance by the time we users are telling them about how their own projects are broken
00:57 <PovAddict> my worst server support experience ended in someone who, after I gave him extensive help to set up the BOINC server, turned out to have never used the client/manager
00:57 <PovAddict> he knew nothing about BOINC
00:57 <PovAddict> it was like
00:57 <Tank_Master> ouch
00:57 <PovAddict> "ok I have the project running, now, how do I attach to it?"
00:58 <Tank_Master> boinc alpha just died
00:58 <Tank_Master> internal server error
00:58 <PovAddict> &seen ilovegizmos
00:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: ilovegizmos was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 2 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <ilovegizmos> maaaan, blasted lowercase letters and fedora being anal about it
00:58 <PovAddict> found log
01:00 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
01:00 <PovAddict> makes you want to cry
01:07 <zombie67> or laugh! hard!
01:08 * Tank_Master points n laughs as pov
01:08 <Tank_Master> at*
01:09 <PovAddict> I think server documentation should be only available in a compressed tar archive
01:09 <PovAddict> with a custom compression algorithm, decompressor only available as source code
01:09 <Tank_Master> you did a good job helping him though
01:09 <PovAddict> that'd ensure anyone even trying to setup a project would need some Unix knowledge... download .tar.gz, compile source, use it to decompress docs, untar docs, read docs (which btw will be in the form of MANPAGES :D)
01:10 <PovAddict> muahahaha
01:11 * zombie67 loves manpages
01:12 <zombie67> I learned them in the warm green glow ow wyse terminals
01:12 <zombie67> 20 years ago
01:12 * PovAddict wasn't even an embryo back then
01:13 <PovAddict> I think my 1000 unread messages from mailing lists prove I don't care about GPUs
01:16 <Tank_Master> I have no unread messages
01:16 <Tank_Master> cus iI delete them w/o reading them
01:17 <zombie67> I use an auto-delete filter
01:17 <PovAddict> there is a boinc_sched mailing list
01:17 <zombie67> a new one?
01:18 <PovAddict> no, it hasn't been used since like 2007
01:18 <zombie67> buck is already on it I am sure
01:18 <PovAddict> during most of 2007, there were scheduler discussions there, to avoid people in the other lists who may not know what they're talking about
01:19 <PovAddict> (for example, a way to discuss work fetch *without* Mikus commenting)
01:19 <PovAddict> "This list was created a while ago when we needed to hammer out the client CPU scheduling and work fetch policies without a huge amount of noise from less-informed people."
01:19 <zombie67> ah yes
01:19 <zombie67> the berkeley method
01:19 <PovAddict> that was a post on March 12 2008, about the last one in the list
01:20 <PovAddict> now, ALL this GPU stuff should have been there since the beginning
01:20 <zombie67> make decisions in a void
01:20 <zombie67> then implement without comment
01:20 <PovAddict> you'll see it's spread in boinc_alpha and boinc_dev and even a bit in _projects
01:20 <zombie67> I am on all of those
01:20 <PovAddict> boinc_sched should have been made public and all scheduler discussion made excluslvely there
01:20 <PovAddict> instead, they've been months cluttering *all* the other lists
01:21 <PovAddict> but it's pointless to do it now...
01:22 <PovAddict> the request to go to _sched for scheduler discussions have been made right after 6.3 first alpha... but I think nobody expected it to work so badly and need so much debate :)
01:22 <zombie67> it xuxors
01:24 <zombie67> 5.10 was the last best
01:24 <PovAddict> I use 6.2 on Windows
01:25 <zombie67> 6.2 is okay, but not good
01:25 <PovAddict> 6.x sandboxing, without 6.4 GPU-infected scheduler
01:25 <PovAddict> why do you prefer 5.10 to 6.2?
01:26 <zombie67> I don't recall really. ;) I just have fond memories. I am always running the latest. That was soooo long ago
01:26 <zombie67> BUT, the major change for 5->6 was just graphics
01:27 <zombie67> no major changes to scheduling
01:27 <PovAddict> almost no changes to scheduling
01:27 <PovAddict> the main reason for separation of graphics app was to accomodate sandboxing btw
01:28 <zombie67> no care to me, as I never invoke graphics
01:28 <zombie67> why slow down/
01:28 <PovAddict> graphics are supposed to use very little CPU
01:28 <zombie67> "little" is to much for this credit whore
01:28 <PovAddict> (and maybe a lot of GPU; that's what GPUs are for, 3D graphics)
01:31 <zombie67> brb
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02:46 <xionyc> &wx LGA
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02:46 <xionyc> &more
02:46 <Romulus> xionyc: Wednesday - Cloudy with a chance of rain in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Much cooler with highs in the upper 50s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast around 5 mph after midnight.;
02:46 * xionyc goes back to sleep
02:48 <PovAddict> nothing worth being awake for?
02:52 <xionyc> No... I'm just exhausted, and at least I can rest well knowing that I' won't be melting all day tomorrow.
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05:29 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
05:29 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 55.4°F / 13.0°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms this morning...then showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight (1 more message)
05:30 <CoderForLife> &more
05:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;
05:34 <ELGono> moo
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05:34 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany
05:34 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 46Â°F / 8Â°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 11:20 AM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:59 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:62 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 ° F.;
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06:20 <CoderForLife> morning ELGono
06:31 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - laterz
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06:35 <hawmps> 'mornin
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10:23 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps
10:47 <PovAddict> &list later
10:47 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 'later' is not a valid plugin.
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12:14 <PovAddict> maths help needed...
12:15 <PovAddict> a 15.4 inch screen, with 16:10 ratio... what's its width and height?
12:15 <PovAddict> 15.4 is the diagonal
12:15 <PovAddict> as is common when measuring screens
12:17 <PovAddict> ah nevermind, don't need it
12:17 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1680**2 + 1050**2)
12:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1981.13603773
12:18 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1680**2 + 1050**2) / 15.4
12:18 <Romulus> PovAddict: 128.645197255
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12:55 <jackygrahamez> what's up with these errors? http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/results.php?hostid=43
12:56 <PovAddict> autogrid crashed, segfault
12:56 <PovAddict> eg. attempt to read from null pointer
12:56 <PovAddict> or other kinds of accessing memory off-bounds
13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> !coffee
13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> &coffee
13:15 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?
13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> &moin
13:15 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Are you daft?
13:21 <jackygrahamez> does this mean I need to do something to autogrid??? recompile or adjust the stack size?
13:21 <PovAddict> or maybe fix its bugs
13:21 <PovAddict> it *crashed*, that's all we know about it
13:21 <jackygrahamez> hmm, well it does not do this for other users
13:22 <PovAddict> then blame the user and let his daily quota go down :D
13:22 <jackygrahamez> tricky to figure out who is to blame...I tend to blame myself first
13:23 <PovAddict> The First Thing We Do Is Assign Blame
13:23 <jackygrahamez> that's why I don't fit in Washington
13:24 <yoyo[RKN]> how much memory does the wu needs?
13:24 <jackygrahamez> what's a good way to measure, the task manager?
13:25 <yoyo[RKN]> I have currently the problem, that wus aborts with the same exit code as yours because the require more than 2GB RAM. But win32 only supports processes up to 2GB.
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13:28 <PovAddict> I'm looking at a tool I wrote in Jan 2007 to test custom validators
13:28 <PovAddict> I don't understand how it works xD
13:29 <XioNYC> That's why comments are so important... ;-)
13:30 <PovAddict> I seem to be creating a fake RESULT object and setting its *name* to the filename I want to compare... the validator being tested doesn't seem to be looking at the result's name though
13:31 <PovAddict> it calls get_output_file_path, which parses XML in result.xml_doc_in, which I'm not setting in the fake result object
14:06 <hawmps> &math convert 27,000,000 sq ft to sq mi
14:06 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: 27,000,000 is not a valid unit.
14:07 <PovAddict> Google Calc says 0.968491736 sq mi
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14:55 <ELGono> rehi
15:10 <Tank_Master> rewb
15:11 <ELGono> somebody using kde 4.1 ?
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15:13 <PovAddict> still sticking to 3.5
15:14 <hawmps> ditto.
15:15 <ELGono> when i switch on #boinc window auf pidgin window the kickoff menu refuses to start
15:15 <PovAddict> hawmps: have you tried 4.x?
15:15 <ELGono> need a kquitapp plasma && plasma for restarting
15:15 <ELGono> but so far first error
15:15 <PovAddict> ELGono: #kde
15:15 <ELGono> really like kde4
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15:19 <hawmps> yeah, there is a font problem in kde4 that messes with boincmgr
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15:19 <PovAddict> in fedora?
15:19 <PovAddict> I have fedora in a VM
15:19 <hawmps> yup
15:19 * PovAddict boots it
15:24 <PovAddict> damn I hate yum
15:24 <PovAddict> I opened "add/remove programs" and typed 'boinc' in the search box
15:25 <PovAddict> 2 minutes later it's still saying "Waiting for other tasks"
15:25 <PovAddict> there
15:26 <PovAddict> and only after I tell it to install boincmgr, it spends 15 seconds doing stuff and then tells me about dependencies... in apt, dependencies are selected some milliseconds after you mark the package for installation
15:27 <ELGono> PovAddict : kde 188.8.131.52
15:30 <ELGono> okay, i just dont have to start kickoff when i'm on a desk with an chatwindow opened
16:00 <jackygrahamez> what's the best idea for making a universal zip & unzip on Mac?
16:00 <PovAddict> compiling it with compatibility toolchain (10.3.9) like for any other Mac application; ask MTughan_
16:08 <Tank_Master> jack! :)
16:20 <jackygrahamez> you
16:20 <jackygrahamez> yo
16:20 <jackygrahamez> yo
16:20 <jackygrahamez> no offens yoyo
16:20 <jackygrahamez> trying to make with the source code
16:21 <jackygrahamez> what's the package name for ldd?
16:21 <jackygrahamez> the deb?
16:22 <PovAddict> looking
16:22 <jackygrahamez> or equivalent?
16:22 <PovAddict> it's in libc6 so you can't not have it
16:23 <PovAddict> libc6: /usr/bin/ldd
16:23 <jackygrahamez> not there in darwin
16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> ?
16:26 <jasong> lol, you distracted yoyo jack
16:26 <jasong> And now I did it, oops
16:27 <jackygrahamez> sorry
16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> brrrr
16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> &coffee
16:28 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?
16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
16:28 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 61Â°F / 16Â°C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 10:20 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:66 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:77 ° F.; Clear. Low:51 ° F.; Clear. High:73 ° F.; Clear. Low:41 ° F.;
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16:52 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: well you mentioned 'package' and 'deb'; Macs have neither of those
16:52 <PovAddict> I assumed you were on debian
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16:59 <CoderForLife> greetings carbon-emitting lifeforms
16:59 <CoderForLife> home again
17:09 <ELGono> lo don
17:10 <CoderForLife> hello ELGono
17:10 <jackygrahamez> When I got finkcommander loaded it also included apt-get and dselect which use .deb
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17:11 <PovAddict> so you're using fink compiler?
17:11 <PovAddict> I mean, gcc installed from fink?
17:12 <jackygrahamez> yup
17:12 <PovAddict> why not Xcode?
17:12 <PovAddict> anyway, what for MTughan_ for any Mac dev questions :)
17:12 <jackygrahamez> I'm more familiar with doing it at the command line
17:13 <jackygrahamez> I'm not sure how the xcode ide will work to compile this
17:13 <PovAddict> Xcode comes with gcc, specially made for Mac
17:13 <PovAddict> and with all the correct frameworks
17:13 <PovAddict> you can use it from the command line, you don't need the IDE
17:13 <PovAddict> heck, you can even build .xcodeproj files without the IDE
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17:15 <jackygrahamez> tell you the truth im not sure where the current gcc version originated..it says ersion 4.0.1 (apple Inc. build 5490)
17:15 <jackygrahamez> I guess it was the xcode
17:15 <PovAddict> 4.0 is old; but I'm not sure if Mac has any newer
17:16 <jackygrahamez> how we determine what libraries it uses is what I'm wondering
17:16 <jackygrahamez> would it be better to go with an older one though?
17:16 <PovAddict> no, not an older compiler
17:16 <PovAddict> newer compiler = fixed bugs, better optimizations :)
17:17 <jackygrahamez> but if you are concerned with backwards compatibility?
17:17 <PovAddict> then you use older *libraries*
17:17 <jackygrahamez> ok
17:17 <PovAddict> and appropriate compiler settings
17:18 <PovAddict> I don't know exactly how
17:20 <jackygrahamez> I'm installing gcc43 now
17:21 <CoderForLife> hmm
17:22 <CoderForLife> looks like I have to be *on* 64-bit Windows to compile for 64-bit Windows
17:22 <PovAddict> really? I once installed Visual Studio 2003 on 32-bit Windows XP and it had a "x64 Cross-compiler" thingy
17:22 <jackygrahamez> can you get virtual box to emulate 64-bit?
17:23 <CoderForLife> hmm
17:23 <CoderForLife> I was just reading on MSDN
17:23 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: no, you need a 64-bit host to run a 64-bit guest OS inside
17:23 <CoderForLife> I am running Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition
17:24 <CoderForLife> I'll look for x64
17:24 <PovAddict> I think my version even had an ARM cross-compiler, for Windows Mobile apps
17:24 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: it might be an install option, not installed by default
17:25 <CoderForLife> yeah - that's kinda what I'm reading
17:27 <CoderForLife> well - looks complicated - save that for another day - must.. stay.. on.. target..
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17:44 <ELGono> somehow i begin to like latex
17:44 <CoderForLife> wrong chat room
17:45 <ELGono> lol
17:45 <ELGono> speaking of miktex texniccenter
17:47 <PovAddict> ahh!
17:47 <ELGono> or kile on linux
17:57 <PovAddict> WTF
17:57 <PovAddict> where did the Windows C development information go?
17:57 <PovAddict> MSDN seems to *only* mention .NET
17:59 <XioNYC> Kile + PDFLaTeX = :-)
18:01 <XioNYC> Serious Q, though: does Artificial Intelligence grant a flat 75 credits per valid WU, or am I nuts?
18:02 <XioNYC> brb
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18:06 <PovAddict> ELGono: you need proper capitalization
18:06 <PovAddict> <ELGono> somehow I begin to like LaTeX
18:06 <PovAddict> totally different thing :)
18:07 <PovAddict> I was going to show the canonical example of the importance of capitalization, but it's not exactly family-friendly for this channel
18:08 * CoderForLife raises an eyebrow
18:08 <PovAddict> lol
18:09 * PovAddict is tempted to post it anyway
18:12 <PovAddict> "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse"; means something completely different if lowercase
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18:13 <ComradeHaz> PovAddict: should it not be "I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse" anyway?
18:13 <PovAddict> what's wrong with "my uncle Jack"?
18:14 <XioNYC> You don't know Jack.
18:14 <ComradeHaz> ;)
18:14 <ComradeHaz> Was waiting for that
18:14 <XioNYC> You're welcome.
18:14 <XioNYC> And now, for my next trick...
18:14 <XioNYC> &roulette
18:14 <Romulus> XioNYC: *click*
18:14 <PovAddict> lol
18:14 <ComradeHaz> aaaaanyway... I just popped by to ask what the latest was with regard ATI GPUs...
18:14 <PovAddict> xcamel should op Romulus, roulette is more fun that way
18:14 <XioNYC> LOL!
18:15 <PovAddict> XioNYC: seriously
18:15 <PovAddict> when you die, instead of just saying "BANG", he kicks you off the channel
18:15 <XioNYC> And I seriously laughed out loud
18:15 <PovAddict> ComradeHaz: news is BOINC hasn't worked right since GPU support was added
18:15 <PovAddict> &roulette
18:15 <Romulus> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:15 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.
18:16 <PovAddict> instead of that, you'd see "Romulus has kicked PovAddict from #boinc (BANG!)"
18:16 <ComradeHaz> ooh err PovAddict, why, whassup?
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18:16 <PovAddict> the scheduler / work fetch
18:16 <ComradeHaz> o.O
18:16 <XioNYC> That wouldn't be roulette, then - it'd be karate... but enough tangential talk.
18:16 <ComradeHaz> sounds totally seperate, but ok :D
18:16 <PovAddict> not really
18:16 <PovAddict> you now have two separate resources
18:17 <ComradeHaz> just my 4870's getting bored with no games being played (revision being done) ... :(
18:17 <PovAddict> and it has to schedule work for both
18:17 <ComradeHaz> oh right
18:17 <ComradeHaz> I see
18:17 <PovAddict> requests are now for "N seconds of CPU work and M seconds of GPU work"
18:18 <ComradeHaz> ah-ha/
18:18 <ComradeHaz> ?
18:18 <ComradeHaz> so what went wrong?
18:18 <ComradeHaz> and what about nvidia support under linux?
18:18 <PovAddict> I think the main thing that went wrong is that
18:18 <PovAddict> during 6.4 development
18:19 <ComradeHaz> or have you essentially disabled gpu support for the moment?
18:19 <PovAddict> in the middle of relatively-infrequent but constant bug reports, they suddenly say "ok we release to the public"
18:19 <PovAddict> there were also quite a few problems with the SETI GPU app
18:19 <ComradeHaz> hmm
18:19 <PovAddict> doesn't matter, they released *that* day
18:20 <ComradeHaz> pfff
18:20 <PovAddict> ...to match an nVidia press release
18:20 <ComradeHaz> I've never liked this whole idea of freezing
18:20 <ComradeHaz> but it's become very popular
18:20 <ComradeHaz> even kde are using it
18:20 <ComradeHaz> seems daft imo
18:20 <PovAddict> there was a relatively serious problem reported the day before
18:20 <ComradeHaz> but hey ho, what do I know
18:20 <ComradeHaz> I'm still studying development ;)
18:20 <ComradeHaz> lol
18:21 <CoderForLife> bbl
18:21 <PovAddict> it was all rushed for public relations reasons
18:21 <PovAddict> btw I haven't ever crunched on a GPU
18:21 <ComradeHaz> The one law to which there is no exception; Sods.
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18:21 <ComradeHaz> hmm
18:21 <FreeLarry> have tried once with gpu PovAddict
18:21 <PovAddict> or used any version >= 6.4 personally
18:21 <FreeLarry> not again as mine too slow
18:21 <ComradeHaz> I have with the discrete seti app or whatever it ati bundle with their cards
18:21 <FreeLarry> 6.4.5
18:22 <ComradeHaz> I just grabbed 6.6
18:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
18:32 <xcamel> re-hi
18:32 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.
18:35 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn
18:36 <xcamel> damn turkeys took off again..
18:37 <Rookie_69> Sounds like fun.
18:41 <Rookie_69> Cross-breed them with some pheasants... then all you have to do is start the car and they'll jump in front of it.
18:42 <Tank_Master> how does synecdocke differ?
18:43 <XioNYC> Aside from having a more confabulated googly name?
18:43 <Tank_Master> lol
18:45 <XioNYC> As I see it (and my opinion is my own), I get the feeling that Synecdocke is to BOINC as iPod is to Rio Diamond - the appearance of legitimacy through Google-affiliation.
18:45 <Tank_Master> apperence of being ligit cus ut has the word google in it?
18:45 * XioNYC nods
18:46 * Tank_Master runs
18:46 <XioNYC> Remember how the iPod "legitimized" the renegade MP3?
18:46 * Tank_Master never considered google as ligit
18:46 <XioNYC> To many people (ID10Ts), it is.
18:46 <Tank_Master> I rememebr ipod as an overhyped joke
18:47 <Tank_Master> :P
18:47 <Tank_Master> why pay $300 for an mp3 player when the one nect to it for $50 also has radio
18:47 <Tank_Master> next*
18:48 <XioNYC> Hey - if someone told me 15 years ago I'd be walking around with a hard drive in my pocket, I'd've said "cut the wacky tabbacky".
18:49 <XioNYC> Now if only it'd crunch WUs... ;-)
18:50 <Rookie_69> 30 years ago, I walked around with a hard drive in my pocket, but that was adolescence...
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18:53 <PovAddict> he's backz0rz!
18:53 <Tank_Master> MTughan: you are needed in the DD@H isle
18:54 <Tank_Master> :)
18:54 <MTughan> Tank_Master: jacky PM'd me. ;)
18:54 <MTughan> PovAddict: The latest Xcode did seem to come with GCC 4.2, but 4.0.1 is still the primary version.
18:55 <KathrynM> morning
18:55 <PovAddict> meh
18:56 <KathrynM> tell me about it
18:56 <KathrynM> my legs don't like me very much
18:57 <Rookie_69> Mine don't want to hold me up much either.
18:59 <jackygrahamez> hya MTughan_
18:59 <xcamel> hopefully they'll get hungry and wander back
19:00 <Tank_Master> KM!
19:01 <jackygrahamez> so ok to build with xcode gcc 4.0.1
19:01 <KathrynM> 1.2 km on the treadmill yesterday
19:03 <Rookie_69> Run your computer off a generator on the treadmill and the km's will eventually get easier.
19:04 <Rookie_69> Walking's another story though.
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19:08 <Rookie_69> &math convert 23 c to f
19:08 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: c is not a valid unit.
19:08 <Rookie_69> &math convert 23 C to F
19:08 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 73.4
19:09 <MTughan> Yeah, it's not case-insensitive... >_>
19:09 <Rookie_69> Yesterday had some record-breaking temps here. Today was kind of chilly though.
19:11 <Rookie_69> I think it hit 32C down the shore a ways.
19:14 <Rookie_69> Boat's in the water, so hopefully We get some good weather.
19:16 <Tank_Master> you need it out of the water for good weather
19:16 <Rookie_69> Apparently, yesterday was our summer then.
19:18 <Rookie_69> I spent the weekend fairing the keel and plumbing the engine and such... I better get a few days use out of it.
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19:20 <Rookie_69> I spent lots of other weekends doing stuff and things to it too.
19:29 <Rookie_69> I've got everything running the Prime Grid challenge, so I should be warm tonight.
19:30 <PovAddict> LLR or sieve?
19:31 <Rookie_69> PSP.
19:32 <Rookie_69> ... That would be Sieve, I guess.
19:33 <PovAddict> that's a different categorization
19:33 <PovAddict> there is PSP Sieve and PSP LLR
19:35 <Rookie_69> Doug was supposed to remind me about it, but I think he forgot.
19:36 <Rookie_69> I had one heck of a time getting my oldest box to run it.
19:37 <Rookie_69> Just had to take a broom to the hard drive.
19:46 <Rookie_69> Lots of cobwebs.
19:48 <Rookie_69> Just like my brain.
19:51 <Rookie_69> Yesterday evening was a bit breezy which helped to clean the dust bunnies out of box#linux... And it was full of them.
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19:53 <Rookie_69> My brain just quit... must be bedtime. NN.
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20:31 <xcamel> found the turkeys... chased them back with the 4wheeler about half a mile
20:31 <PovAddict> gobble gobble gobble!!1
20:34 <xcamel> damn things..
20:34 <xcamel> I guess they're all just horny and searching for love
20:35 <efc> Sniff
20:36 <PovAddict> lol
20:37 <Tank_Master> arent we all
20:38 <efc> We had some peacocks live on our roof for a few minutes
20:40 <xcamel> how did they taste?
20:41 <efc> Dunno, they flew next door, and stayed there.
20:42 <Tank_Master> lol
20:51 <efc> they were pretty cool
20:55 <xcamel> had peacocks long ago.
21:03 <efc> One would get mad at every truck that went by and yell at it
21:04 <PovAddict> unbelievable
21:04 <PovAddict> sample_bitwise_validator gives false positives (says WU is valid when it's not) when binary files are involved
21:13 <Tank_Master> o0
21:13 <Tank_Master> thats... not helpful
21:14 <PovAddict> compares up to the first null byte in the files
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21:43 <FreeLarry> humm fedora 8 is x86_64 so should be able to try updating to fedora 10? maybe
21:49 <FreeLarry> can't remember where i put the last dvd so having to burn a new one
21:51 <FreeLarry> any hints or suggestions on upgrade would be appreciated
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21:53 <PovAddict> FreeLarry: I know nothing about fedora
21:54 <PovAddict> I know in Debian/Ubuntu you can't upgrade skipping a version, like from 8.04 to 9.04, you have to do 8.04 -> 8.10 -> 9.04
21:54 <PovAddict> but maybe in Fedora you can do 8->10 without having to upgrade to 9 first
21:55 <FreeLarry> don't know tried to do F9 but never was able to get good iso or burn
21:56 <efc> Ah, they also make a Class 100, 125, etc Pipe
21:56 <PovAddict> you can also upgrade from internet, should even be faster than downloading the iso
21:56 <FreeLarry> will try the boot from dvd and update
21:56 <PovAddict> would download only new versions of things you already have installed
21:56 <PovAddict> (you don't need F9 version of Korean language files :P)
21:56 <FreeLarry> already have 10 dl'ed and still on desktop
21:56 <FreeLarry> ??
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23:29 <FreeLarry> well PovAddict looks like f10 will update f8 but machine being finicay today so have to leave off for now and let things cool down
23:31 <Tank_Master> howdy fl
23:32 <FreeLarry> howdy Tank_Master
23:41 <FreeLarry> things really finicky with that machine - might be the mb going bad as get cpu timing errors causing kernal panics occasionally
23:42 <FreeLarry> if so will replace with a new i7 920 in it with p5Q mb
23:43 <FreeLarry> altho i note the i7 f10 combo is erroring all wu's from cpdn with error code 22
23:43 <FreeLarry> not sure why
23:43 <FreeLarry> &google boinc error code 22
23:43 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Search took 0.16 seconds: ACTIVE TASKS::restart tasks(); restart failed: '( error - code ...: <http://www.boinc-wiki.info/ACTIVE_TASKS::restart_tasks()%3B_restart_failed:_'(error-code)'>; Init op project failed, error '( error - code )' - Unofficial BOINC Wiki: <http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Init_op_project_failed,_error_'(error-code)'>; boinc spits strange error code: (3 more messages)
23:44 <FreeLarry> &more
23:44 <Romulus> FreeLarry: <http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2198>; Computation error / Output file absent / process exited with code ...: <http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=3271>; Arch Linux Forums / [Solved] BOINC : Computation error / Output ...: <http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=58231>; Message Board â€¢ View topic - BOINC error 1905: (2 more messages)
23:44 <FreeLarry> &more
23:44 <Romulus> FreeLarry: <http://www.climateprediction.net/board/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7581>; Message Board â€¢ View topic - 'Generic' solutions to models ...: <http://www.climateprediction.net/board/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7590>; BOINC FAQ Service: <http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/>; Help need for Boinc installation - Page 2 - Ubuntu Forums: <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=612995&page=2>; WU's fail (1 more message)
23:46 <FreeLarry> &more
23:46 <Romulus> FreeLarry: with several error codes: <http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=309>
23:46 <PovAddict> most probably a CPDN-specific error
23:50 <FreeLarry> yeah kind of get that feeling after looking at wiki
23:50 * XioNYC has wasted another perfectly good evening at the keyboard
23:50 <XioNYC> &nn
23:50 *** XioNYC is now known as xionyc
23:50 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
23:50 <FreeLarry> anywho disconnected that machine from cpdn - it also gets einstien specific error codes on it
23:55 <FreeLarry> humm gets to checking dependancies then hangs up and locks machine on update
23:59 <FreeLarry> humm anyway to update f8 to f10 without using installer program on local media?