IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-04-29

00:00 <Tank_Master> got .49 credits so far today!

00:00 <Tank_Master> no, not really

00:00 <PovAddict> see...

00:00 <zombie67> yep, double clicking starts "Archive Utility", and it expands just fine

00:01 <jackygrahamez_> which os is your ppc?

00:01 <jackygrahamez_> I used an unzip for leopard

00:01 <jackygrahamez_> had trouble with the mac zip binaries fron zip-info

00:02 <PovAddict> what's in the zip?

00:02 <PovAddict> &whatis drugdiscovery

00:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: "drugdiscovery" could be New BOINC project, models the behavor of lead compounds that could be developed into new medicines.

00:02 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: can I post your project URL?

00:03 <jackygrahamez_> ok

00:03 <PovAddict> &learn drugdiscovery as

00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:04 <PovAddict> zombie67: what's the zip file called?

00:04 <zombie67> Tiger is the OS 10.4

00:04 <Tank_Master> &whatis drugdiscovery

00:04 <Romulus> Tank_Master: "drugdiscovery" could be (#1) New BOINC project, models the behavor of lead compounds that could be developed into new medicines., or (#2)

00:04 <jackygrahamez_> ah that's probably why

00:04 <jackygrahamez_> I need something that will work on multiple mac os

00:05 <zombie67> wait

00:05 <zombie67> I have an intel Tiger machine

00:05 <zombie67> send a task to 93

00:05 <Tank_Master> no, send it to 94!

00:05 <PovAddict> stfu Tank_Master

00:06 <Tank_Master> oh wait, mine isnt a mac

00:06 <PovAddict> can someone tell me how the damn zipfile is called?

00:06 <Tank_Master> you stfu pov

00:06 <Tank_Master> :P

00:06 <jackygrahamez_> hold

00:06 <PovAddict> fine

00:06 <Tank_Master> lol

00:06 <zombie67> just a sec

00:07 <jackygrahamez_>

00:07 <zombie67> zip file is ""

00:07 <Romulus> <> (at

00:07 <zombie67> Ah!

00:07 <PovAddict> giant

00:07 <zombie67> there is a zip inside the zip?

00:07 <Tank_Master> o0

00:07 <PovAddict> at least I'm getting good speed

00:07 <PovAddict> zombie67: no... it's renamed

00:07 <jackygrahamez_> its a logical name

00:08 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: do you know python?

00:08 <PovAddict> or are you just using this app totally unmodified?

00:09 * PovAddict still downloading zip, 80%

00:09 <zombie67> all I know is that I have alot of files in the dir, plus the zip

00:09 <jackygrahamez_> trying to leave it unmolested so less work with updates...I know a very little Python

00:09 <jackygrahamez_> I discussed with the lead developer porting this to BOINC

00:10 <Tank_Master> yes, a molested app is not fun to crunch on

00:10 <jackygrahamez_> He identified certain packages I would not need, so I tossed them out

00:10 <zombie67> Yep, same problem with my intel/tiger machine

00:11 <jackygrahamez_> its the zip then

00:11 <jackygrahamez_> the unzip rather

00:11 <Tank_Master> so tiger isnt able to unzip?

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00:11 <zombie67> Tiger unzips fine

00:11 <jackygrahamez_> I distribute an incompatible unzip

00:11 <Tank_Master> I ment this zip file that jack is sending

00:11 <zombie67> [21:00]  <zombie67> yep, double clicking starts "Archive Utility", and it expands just fine

00:11 <PovAddict_> &last --from PovAddict --nolimit

00:11 <Romulus> PovAddict_: [00:09:00] * PovAddict still downloading zip, 80%, [00:08:45] <PovAddict> or are you just using this app totally unmodified?, [00:08:32] <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: do you know python?, [00:07:51] <PovAddict> zombie67: no... it's renamed, [00:07:45] <PovAddict> at least I'm getting good speed, [00:07:33] <PovAddict> giant, [00:06:23] <PovAddict> fine, [00:06:12] <PovAddict> can someone (13 more messages)

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00:12 <PovAddict> what the heck is my boincmgr doing?

00:12 <PovAddict> lol look at this

00:12 <PovAddict>

00:12 <PovAddict> look at the progress bars

00:12 <PovAddict> they don't match the % they say

00:12 <Romulus> <> (at

00:12 <zombie67> can't contact host

00:12 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: you're bundling way too many things in that zip... you have full networking and GUI libraries in there, which this science app surely does not use

00:12 <PovAddict> and all the HTML documentation of the MGLTools

00:13 <Tank_Master> isnt documentation a good thing?

00:13 <zombie67> I am going to suspend my tiger machine until someone tells me this has been resolved.

00:13 <PovAddict> and the Windows version of Python is in that Mac-only zip too

00:14 <zombie67> pov, working now....what version of BM is that?

00:14 <PovAddict> however, your hanging is strange; unzipping this zip file took three seconds

00:14 <PovAddict>

00:14 <Romulus> <> (at

00:14 <zombie67> yep, unzipping by double clicking is less than a second

00:14 <PovAddict> @zombie67

00:14 <jackygrahamez_> I thought I took Network out...Its past my bedtime but if someone uncovers a good unzip...let me know...hard to keep track of whats in all of these MGLToolsPcks

00:15 <jackygrahamez_> night guys

00:15 <zombie67> gn

00:15 <PovAddict> largest thing in that zip is the Python static library, which is only useful during compilation, not at runtime

00:15 <Tank_Master> gn jack

00:15 <Tank_Master> thx for the fixes :)

00:15 <PovAddict> second largest is a PDF, lol

00:15 <zombie67> pov, well, you answered your own question.  that's not berkeley's

00:15 <PovAddict> yup

00:15 <jackygrahamez_> sznnnzzz

00:16 <PovAddict> lol, there's even a Python extension to play video in this zip

00:16 <PovAddict> pymedia/video/, 1MB

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00:17 <zombie67> mercy!

00:17 <PovAddict> the PDF is 4MB

00:17 <bigt0242000> pov, is that synecdoche your running?

00:17 <PovAddict> the static lib (useless at runtime) is 6MB

00:17 <PovAddict> yes bigt0242000

00:18 <PovAddict> I majorly broke it last night

00:18 <bigt0242000> lol

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00:18 <PovAddict> I made a mistake when modifying the ends_with function, turned out giving the opposite answer than it should

00:19 <PovAddict> next time I restarted the client, it thought "" *didn't* end with ".xml" (because ends_with gave the opposite answer)

00:19 <PovAddict> and same for all other account files

00:19 <PovAddict> and it went and detached every project

00:19 <bigt0242000> ouch

00:19 <PovAddict> lost a CPDN WU and two AQUA WUs

00:19 <PovAddict> note to self, don't ever do code cleanup at 3 am again

00:20 <bigt0242000> yeah i read that in the log lol

00:21 <bigt0242000> i'm trying to figure out why i get a r6034 error when trying to run it. i think it's got to do with the dependancies.

00:26 <zombie67> also, don't use long running task projects on the same machine you are using for development.

00:27 <PovAddict> well, I was specifically testing CPDN last week

00:27 <PovAddict> trickles didn't work

00:28 <PovAddict> also... "eating my own dogfood"...

00:28 <PovAddict> losing a CPDN WU should motivate me to be more careful next time :]

00:36 <PovAddict> sometimes I wonder if DA eats his own dogfood

00:38 <PovAddict>

00:38 <Romulus> <> (at

00:38 <PovAddict> only started crunching seriously in the past few months, or does CUDA give INSANELY higher credits?

00:39 * PovAddict pokes zombie67

00:39 <zombie67> don't let the graphs fool you

00:39 <zombie67> his largest day recently was only 10k

00:40 <Tank_Master> looks like DA is cheeting

00:40 <Tank_Master> :P

00:40 <PovAddict> look at "last months" graph

00:40 <zombie67> with a good CUDA GPU, you can do 12k/day

00:40 <PovAddict> it's like he didn't crunch at all for two years

00:40 <PovAddict> he developed BOINC without testing it in real world projects?

00:40 <zombie67> He *didn't* crunch for most of the history

00:40 <PovAddict> only boinc alpha?

00:40 <zombie67> he only crunched recently for CUDA development

00:41 <zombie67> no, not even BOINC alpha

00:41 <zombie67> that would have been captured by BOINCstats

00:41 <PovAddict> I think he has an internal project for testing though

00:41 * PovAddict thinks Alpha shouldn't give credits

00:41 <PovAddict> or give 1/100th

00:41 <zombie67> alpha credit are already minimal for windows machines

00:42 <zombie67> and completely non-existant for macs

00:42 <zombie67> I mean macs are awarded 0 credits

00:42 <zombie67> this I know

00:42 <PovAddict> it should completely discourage people from running the project outside testing

00:42 <zombie67> then what is the motivation to test?

00:43 <zombie67> altruism works for only a few

00:43 <PovAddict> those who run the project just for the credits aren't really testing

00:43 <PovAddict> I don't think that kind of people would run super-recent clients and report their problems in the mailing lists

00:43 <zombie67> I think there are those that crunch for credits, and those that crunch for only altruism

00:44 <PovAddict> the testing project is a whole different beast

00:44 <zombie67> but they are not exclusive

00:44 <PovAddict> you're supposed to TEST, not cruch

00:44 <PovAddict> test involves crunching

00:44 <zombie67> pov, I test, I find problems frequently

00:44 <zombie67> but I will NOT report to the list

00:44 <PovAddict> <- look at his total credits

00:44 <Romulus> <> (at

00:44 <PovAddict> I'll guess he's not even looking at his machines

00:45 <zombie67> his rac is only 16

00:45 <PovAddict> tank_master's RAC of 400 in alpha is disturbing

00:45 <zombie67> no big loss

00:45 <zombie67> oh right

00:45 <zombie67> RAC is not working right there

00:46 <PovAddict> I'll sort by credit/week on boincstats

00:46 <PovAddict> heh, YOU are the one with most credit/week there :D

00:46 <zombie67> what?  I am like 25/day

00:46 <PovAddict> boincstats says 79/day, and next one in list has 27/day

00:47 <PovAddict> you have 414/week, next in list 212/week

00:47 <zombie67> that was an abberation

00:47 <zombie67> look at my charts

00:48 * PovAddict stops BOINCing for the night

00:48 <PovAddict> I have 2148 files to run through packjpg (to decompress them)

00:48 <zombie67> you need more horsepower

00:49 <zombie67> get yourself a mac pro

00:49 <PovAddict> each takes 7 seconds

00:49 <PovAddict> &google calc 7.34 seconds * 2148 / 2

00:49 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

00:49 <PovAddict> (divided by two because I'll use both CPU cores at once)

00:49 <zombie67> like 4 hours

00:49 <PovAddict> phew, 2 hours only

00:50 <zombie67> two cpus?

00:50 <PovAddict> dual core, yeah

00:50 <PovAddict> that's why I divided by 2 in that &google calc

00:50 <PovAddict> it may be that I chose a bad file to test how much it takes, though

00:51 * PovAddict decompresses eleven files

00:51 <Tank_Master> I have a rac of 400 in alpha?

00:51 <Tank_Master> I havent ran ithat in years

00:51 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: yes, RAC is stuck

00:51 <PovAddict> 7/11

00:52 <zombie67> ANOTHER damn annoying thing about BOINC project creation.

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00:52 <PovAddict> yup, each seems to take fairly different time

00:52 <zombie67> RAC decay is NEVER working

00:52 <PovAddict> I think RAC should decay every time any part of the system tries to get a user's RAC

00:52 <zombie67> you always have to aks to have it turned on

00:52 <PovAddict> like, each time you go to show_user.php, it runs the decay on that one user

00:52 <PovAddict> that way you always see up-to-date info

00:52 <zombie67> and then you have to explain it to the admins HOW to turn it on

00:53 <PovAddict> ok took 80.84s for 11 files

00:53 <Tank_Master> s

00:53 <PovAddict> so yeah, 2 hours

00:54 <zombie67> and then they say "it was already running....Oh wait....I seem to have a cron problem"

00:54 <Tank_Master> lol

00:55 <PovAddict> there, job running

00:55 <zombie67> "fixed!"  No it's not.  "What!  It keeps stopping for no reason!  I don't grok cron!"

00:55 <PovAddict> "don't know cron? what are you doing administrating a Linux server?"

00:56 <zombie67> too late to claim ignorance by the time we users are telling them about how their own projects are broken

00:57 <PovAddict> my worst server support experience ended in someone who, after I gave him extensive help to set up the BOINC server, turned out to have never used the client/manager

00:57 <PovAddict> he knew nothing about BOINC

00:57 <PovAddict> it was like

00:57 <Tank_Master> ouch

00:57 <PovAddict> "ok I have the project running, now, how do I attach to it?"

00:58 <Tank_Master> boinc alpha just died

00:58 <Tank_Master> internal server error

00:58 <PovAddict> &seen ilovegizmos

00:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: ilovegizmos was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 2 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <ilovegizmos> maaaan, blasted lowercase letters and fedora being anal about it

00:58 <PovAddict> found log

01:00 <PovAddict>

01:00 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

01:00 <PovAddict> makes you want to cry

01:07 <zombie67> or laugh!  hard!

01:08 * Tank_Master points n laughs as pov

01:08 <Tank_Master> at*

01:09 <PovAddict> I think server documentation should be only available in a compressed tar archive

01:09 <PovAddict> with a custom compression algorithm, decompressor only available as source code

01:09 <Tank_Master> you did a good job helping him though

01:09 <PovAddict> that'd ensure anyone even trying to setup a project would need some Unix knowledge... download .tar.gz, compile source, use it to decompress docs, untar docs, read docs (which btw will be in the form of MANPAGES :D)

01:10 <PovAddict> muahahaha

01:11 * zombie67 loves manpages

01:12 <zombie67> I learned them in the warm green glow ow wyse terminals

01:12 <zombie67> 20 years ago

01:12 * PovAddict wasn't even an embryo back then

01:13 <PovAddict> I think my 1000 unread messages from mailing lists prove I don't care about GPUs

01:16 <Tank_Master> I have no unread messages

01:16 <Tank_Master> cus iI delete them w/o reading them

01:17 <zombie67> I use an auto-delete filter

01:17 <PovAddict> there is a boinc_sched mailing list

01:17 <zombie67> a new one?

01:18 <PovAddict> no, it hasn't been used since like 2007

01:18 <zombie67> buck is already on it I am sure

01:18 <PovAddict> during most of 2007, there were scheduler discussions there, to avoid people in the other lists who may not know what they're talking about

01:19 <PovAddict> (for example, a way to discuss work fetch *without* Mikus commenting)

01:19 <PovAddict> "This list was created a while ago when we needed to hammer out the client CPU scheduling and work fetch policies without a huge amount of noise from less-informed people."

01:19 <zombie67> ah yes

01:19 <zombie67> the berkeley method

01:19 <PovAddict> that was a post on March 12 2008, about the last one in the list

01:20 <PovAddict> now, ALL this GPU stuff should have been there since the beginning

01:20 <zombie67> make decisions in a void

01:20 <zombie67> then implement without comment

01:20 <PovAddict> you'll see it's spread in boinc_alpha and boinc_dev and even a bit in _projects

01:20 <zombie67> I am on all of those

01:20 <PovAddict> boinc_sched should have been made public and all scheduler discussion made excluslvely there

01:20 <PovAddict> instead, they've been months cluttering *all* the other lists

01:21 <PovAddict> but it's pointless to do it now...

01:22 <PovAddict> the request to go to _sched for scheduler discussions have been made right after 6.3 first alpha... but I think nobody expected it to work so badly and need so much debate :)

01:22 <zombie67> it xuxors

01:24 <zombie67> 5.10 was the last best

01:24 <PovAddict> I use 6.2 on Windows

01:25 <zombie67> 6.2 is okay, but not good

01:25 <PovAddict> 6.x sandboxing, without 6.4 GPU-infected scheduler

01:25 <PovAddict> why do you prefer 5.10 to 6.2?

01:26 <zombie67> I don't recall really.  ;)  I just have fond memories.  I am always running the latest.  That was soooo long ago

01:26 <zombie67> BUT, the major change for 5->6 was just graphics

01:27 <zombie67> no major changes to scheduling

01:27 <PovAddict> almost no changes to scheduling

01:27 <PovAddict> the main reason for separation of graphics app was to accomodate sandboxing btw

01:28 <zombie67> no care to me, as I never invoke graphics

01:28 <zombie67> why slow down/

01:28 <PovAddict> graphics are supposed to use very little CPU

01:28 <zombie67> "little" is to much for this credit whore

01:28 <PovAddict> (and maybe a lot of GPU; that's what GPUs are for, 3D graphics)

01:31 <zombie67> brb

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02:46 <xionyc> &wx LGA

02:46 <Romulus> xionyc: Temperature: 66F / 19C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain early this evening...then a chance of rain after midnight. Windy with lows in the mid 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming north 15 to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 50 percent.; (1 more message)

02:46 <xionyc> &more

02:46 <Romulus> xionyc: Wednesday - Cloudy with a chance of rain in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Much cooler with highs in the upper 50s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast around 5 mph after midnight.;

02:46 * xionyc goes back to sleep

02:48 <PovAddict> nothing worth being awake for?

02:52 <xionyc> No... I'm just exhausted, and at least I can rest well knowing that I' won't be melting all day tomorrow.

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05:29 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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05:30 <CoderForLife> &more

05:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

05:34 <ELGono> moo

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05:34 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

05:34 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 46°F / 8°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 11:20 AM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:62 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F.;

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06:20 <CoderForLife> morning ELGono

06:31 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - laterz

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06:35 <hawmps> 'mornin

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10:23 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps

10:47 <PovAddict> &list later

10:47 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 'later' is not a valid plugin.

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12:14 <PovAddict> maths help needed...

12:15 <PovAddict> a 15.4 inch screen, with 16:10 ratio... what's its width and height?

12:15 <PovAddict> 15.4 is the diagonal

12:15 <PovAddict> as is common when measuring screens

12:17 <PovAddict> ah nevermind, don't need it

12:17 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1680**2 + 1050**2)

12:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1981.13603773

12:18 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1680**2 + 1050**2) / 15.4

12:18 <Romulus> PovAddict: 128.645197255

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12:55 <jackygrahamez> what's up with these errors?

12:56 <Romulus> <> (at

12:56 <PovAddict> autogrid crashed, segfault

12:56 <PovAddict> eg. attempt to read from null pointer

12:56 <PovAddict> or other kinds of accessing memory off-bounds

13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> !coffee

13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> &coffee

13:15 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> &moin

13:15 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Are you daft?

13:21 <jackygrahamez> does this mean I need to do something to autogrid??? recompile or adjust the stack size?

13:21 <PovAddict> or maybe fix its bugs

13:21 <PovAddict> it *crashed*, that's all we know about it

13:21 <jackygrahamez> hmm, well it does not do this for other users

13:22 <PovAddict> then blame the user and let his daily quota go down :D

13:22 <jackygrahamez> tricky to figure out who is to blame...I tend to blame myself first

13:23 <PovAddict> The First Thing We Do Is Assign Blame

13:23 <jackygrahamez> that's why I don't fit in Washington

13:24 <yoyo[RKN]> how much memory does the wu needs?

13:24 <jackygrahamez> what's a good way to measure, the task manager?

13:25 <yoyo[RKN]> I have currently the problem, that wus aborts with the same exit code as yours because the require more than 2GB RAM. But win32 only supports processes up to 2GB.

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13:28 <PovAddict> I'm looking at a tool I wrote in Jan 2007 to test custom validators

13:28 <PovAddict> I don't understand how it works xD

13:29 <XioNYC> That's why comments are so important... ;-)

13:30 <PovAddict> I seem to be creating a fake RESULT object and setting its *name* to the filename I want to compare... the validator being tested doesn't seem to be looking at the result's name though

13:31 <PovAddict> it calls get_output_file_path, which parses XML in result.xml_doc_in, which I'm not setting in the fake result object

14:06 <hawmps> &math convert 27,000,000 sq ft to sq mi

14:06 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: 27,000,000 is not a valid unit.

14:07 <PovAddict> Google Calc says 0.968491736 sq mi

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14:55 <ELGono> rehi

15:10 <Tank_Master> rewb

15:11 <ELGono> somebody using kde 4.1 ?

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15:13 <PovAddict> still sticking to 3.5

15:14 <hawmps> ditto.

15:15 <ELGono> when i switch on #boinc window auf pidgin window the kickoff menu refuses to start

15:15 <PovAddict> hawmps: have you tried 4.x?

15:15 <ELGono> need a kquitapp plasma && plasma for restarting

15:15 <ELGono> but so far first error

15:15 <PovAddict> ELGono: #kde

15:15 <ELGono> really like kde4

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15:19 <hawmps> yeah, there is a font problem in kde4 that messes with boincmgr

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15:19 <PovAddict> in fedora?

15:19 <PovAddict> I have fedora in a VM

15:19 <hawmps> yup

15:19 * PovAddict boots it

15:24 <PovAddict> damn I hate yum

15:24 <PovAddict> I opened "add/remove programs" and typed 'boinc' in the search box

15:25 <PovAddict> 2 minutes later it's still saying "Waiting for other tasks"

15:25 <PovAddict> there

15:26 <PovAddict> and only after I tell it to install boincmgr, it spends 15 seconds doing stuff and then tells me about dependencies... in apt, dependencies are selected some milliseconds after you mark the package for installation

15:27 <ELGono> PovAddict : kde

15:30 <ELGono> okay, i just dont have to start kickoff when i'm on a desk with an chatwindow opened

16:00 <jackygrahamez> what's the best idea for making a universal zip & unzip on Mac?

16:00 <PovAddict> compiling it with compatibility toolchain (10.3.9) like for any other Mac application; ask MTughan_

16:08 <Tank_Master> jack! :)

16:20 <jackygrahamez> you

16:20 <jackygrahamez> yo

16:20 <jackygrahamez> yo

16:20 <jackygrahamez> no offens yoyo

16:20 <jackygrahamez> trying to make with the source code

16:21 <jackygrahamez> what's the package name for ldd?

16:21 <jackygrahamez> the deb?

16:22 <PovAddict> looking

16:22 <jackygrahamez> or equivalent?

16:22 <PovAddict> it's in libc6 so you can't not have it

16:23 <PovAddict> libc6: /usr/bin/ldd

16:23 <jackygrahamez> not there in darwin

16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> ?

16:26 <jasong> lol, you distracted yoyo jack

16:26 <jasong> And now I did it, oops

16:27 <jackygrahamez> sorry

16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> brrrr

16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> &coffee

16:28 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

16:28 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 10:20 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:66 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F.; Chance of Rain. High:77 F.; Clear. Low:51 F.; Clear. High:73 F.; Clear. Low:41 F.;

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16:52 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: well you mentioned 'package' and 'deb'; Macs have neither of those

16:52 <PovAddict> I assumed you were on debian

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16:59 <CoderForLife> greetings carbon-emitting lifeforms

16:59 <CoderForLife> home again

17:09 <ELGono> lo don

17:10 <CoderForLife> hello ELGono

17:10 <jackygrahamez> When I got finkcommander loaded it also included apt-get and dselect which use .deb

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17:11 <PovAddict> so you're using fink compiler?

17:11 <PovAddict> I mean, gcc installed from fink?

17:12 <jackygrahamez> yup

17:12 <PovAddict> why not Xcode?

17:12 <PovAddict> anyway, what for MTughan_ for any Mac dev questions :)

17:12 <jackygrahamez> I'm more familiar with doing it at the command line

17:13 <jackygrahamez> I'm not sure how the xcode ide will work to compile this

17:13 <PovAddict> Xcode comes with gcc, specially made for Mac

17:13 <PovAddict> and with all the correct frameworks

17:13 <PovAddict> you can use it from the command line, you don't need the IDE

17:13 <PovAddict> heck, you can even build .xcodeproj files without the IDE

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17:15 <jackygrahamez> tell you the truth im not sure where the current gcc version says ersion 4.0.1 (apple Inc. build 5490)

17:15 <jackygrahamez> I guess it was the xcode

17:15 <PovAddict> 4.0 is old; but I'm not sure if Mac has any newer

17:16 <jackygrahamez> how we determine what libraries it uses is what I'm wondering

17:16 <jackygrahamez> would it be better to go with an older one though?

17:16 <PovAddict> no, not an older compiler

17:16 <PovAddict> newer compiler = fixed bugs, better optimizations :)

17:17 <jackygrahamez> but if you are concerned with backwards compatibility?

17:17 <PovAddict> then you use older *libraries*

17:17 <jackygrahamez> ok

17:17 <PovAddict> and appropriate compiler settings

17:18 <PovAddict> I don't know exactly how

17:20 <jackygrahamez> I'm installing gcc43 now

17:21 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:22 <CoderForLife> looks like I have to be *on* 64-bit Windows to compile for 64-bit Windows

17:22 <PovAddict> really? I once installed Visual Studio 2003 on 32-bit Windows XP and it had a "x64 Cross-compiler" thingy

17:22 <jackygrahamez> can you get virtual box to emulate 64-bit?

17:23 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:23 <CoderForLife> I was just reading on MSDN

17:23 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: no, you need a 64-bit host to run a 64-bit guest OS inside

17:23 <CoderForLife> I am running Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition

17:24 <CoderForLife> I'll look for x64

17:24 <PovAddict> I think my version even had an ARM cross-compiler, for Windows Mobile apps

17:24 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: it might be an install option, not installed by default

17:25 <CoderForLife> yeah - that's kinda what I'm reading

17:27 <CoderForLife> well - looks complicated - save that for another day - must.. stay.. on.. target..

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17:44 <ELGono> somehow i begin to like latex

17:44 <CoderForLife> wrong chat room

17:45 <ELGono> lol

17:45 <ELGono> speaking of miktex texniccenter

17:47 <PovAddict> ahh!

17:47 <ELGono> or kile on linux

17:57 <PovAddict> WTF

17:57 <PovAddict> where did the Windows C development information go?

17:57 <PovAddict> MSDN seems to *only* mention .NET

17:59 <XioNYC> Kile + PDFLaTeX = :-)

18:01 <XioNYC> Serious Q, though: does Artificial Intelligence grant a flat 75 credits per valid WU, or am I nuts?

18:02 <XioNYC> brb

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18:06 <PovAddict> ELGono: you need proper capitalization

18:06 <PovAddict> <ELGono> somehow I begin to like LaTeX

18:06 <PovAddict> totally different thing :)

18:07 <PovAddict> I was going to show the canonical example of the importance of capitalization, but it's not exactly family-friendly for this channel

18:08 * CoderForLife raises an eyebrow

18:08 <PovAddict> lol

18:09 * PovAddict is tempted to post it anyway

18:12 <PovAddict> "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse"; means something completely different if lowercase

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18:13 <ComradeHaz> PovAddict: should it not be "I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse" anyway?

18:13 <PovAddict> what's wrong with "my uncle Jack"?

18:14 <XioNYC> You don't know Jack.

18:14 <ComradeHaz> ;)

18:14 <ComradeHaz> Was waiting for that

18:14 <XioNYC> You're welcome.

18:14 <XioNYC> And now, for my next trick...

18:14 <XioNYC> &roulette

18:14 <Romulus> XioNYC: *click*

18:14 <PovAddict> lol

18:14 <ComradeHaz> aaaaanyway... I just popped by to ask what the latest was with regard ATI GPUs...

18:14 <PovAddict> xcamel should op Romulus, roulette is more fun that way

18:14 <XioNYC> LOL!

18:15 <PovAddict> XioNYC: seriously

18:15 <PovAddict> when you die, instead of just saying "BANG", he kicks you off the channel

18:15 <XioNYC> And I seriously laughed out loud

18:15 <PovAddict> ComradeHaz: news is BOINC hasn't worked right since GPU support was added

18:15 <PovAddict> &roulette

18:15 <Romulus> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!

18:15 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.

18:16 <PovAddict> instead of that, you'd see "Romulus has kicked PovAddict from #boinc (BANG!)"

18:16 <ComradeHaz> ooh err PovAddict, why, whassup?

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18:16 <PovAddict> the scheduler / work fetch

18:16 <ComradeHaz> o.O

18:16 <XioNYC> That wouldn't be roulette, then - it'd be karate... but enough tangential talk.

18:16 <ComradeHaz> sounds totally seperate, but ok :D

18:16 <PovAddict> not really

18:16 <PovAddict> you now have two separate resources

18:17 <ComradeHaz> just my 4870's getting bored with no games being played (revision being done) ... :(

18:17 <PovAddict> and it has to schedule work for both

18:17 <ComradeHaz> oh right

18:17 <ComradeHaz> I see

18:17 <PovAddict> requests are now for "N seconds of CPU work and M seconds of GPU work"

18:18 <ComradeHaz> ah-ha/

18:18 <ComradeHaz> ?

18:18 <ComradeHaz> so what went wrong?

18:18 <ComradeHaz> and what about nvidia support under linux?

18:18 <PovAddict> I think the main thing that went wrong is that

18:18 <PovAddict> during 6.4 development

18:19 <ComradeHaz> or have you essentially disabled gpu support for the moment?

18:19 <PovAddict> in the middle of relatively-infrequent but constant bug reports, they suddenly say "ok we release to the public"

18:19 <PovAddict> there were also quite a few problems with the SETI GPU app

18:19 <ComradeHaz> hmm

18:19 <PovAddict> doesn't matter, they released *that* day

18:20 <ComradeHaz> pfff

18:20 <PovAddict> match an nVidia press release

18:20 <ComradeHaz> I've never liked this whole idea of freezing

18:20 <ComradeHaz> but it's become very popular

18:20 <ComradeHaz> even kde are using it

18:20 <ComradeHaz> seems daft imo

18:20 <PovAddict> there was a relatively serious problem reported the day before

18:20 <ComradeHaz> but hey ho, what do I know

18:20 <ComradeHaz> I'm still studying development ;)

18:20 <ComradeHaz> lol

18:21 <CoderForLife> bbl

18:21 <PovAddict> it was all rushed for public relations reasons

18:21 <PovAddict> btw I haven't ever crunched on a GPU

18:21 <ComradeHaz> The one law to which there is no exception; Sods.

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18:21 <ComradeHaz> hmm

18:21 <FreeLarry> have tried once with gpu PovAddict

18:21 <PovAddict> or used any version >= 6.4 personally

18:21 <FreeLarry> not again as mine too slow

18:21 <ComradeHaz> I have with the discrete seti app or whatever it ati bundle with their cards

18:21 <FreeLarry> 6.4.5

18:22 <ComradeHaz> I just grabbed 6.6

18:22 <PovAddict> &learn Synecdoche as

18:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

18:32 <xcamel> re-hi

18:32 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

18:35 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

18:36 <xcamel> damn turkeys took off again..

18:37 <Rookie_69> Sounds like fun.

18:41 <Rookie_69> Cross-breed them with some pheasants... then all you have to do is start the car and they'll jump in front of it.

18:42 <Tank_Master> how does synecdocke differ?

18:43 <XioNYC> Aside from having a more confabulated googly name?

18:43 <Tank_Master> lol

18:45 <XioNYC> As I see it (and my opinion is my own), I get the feeling that Synecdocke is to BOINC as iPod is to Rio Diamond - the appearance of legitimacy through Google-affiliation.

18:45 <Tank_Master> apperence of being ligit cus ut has the word google in it?

18:45 * XioNYC nods

18:46 * Tank_Master runs

18:46 <XioNYC> Remember how the iPod "legitimized" the renegade MP3?

18:46 * Tank_Master never considered google as ligit

18:46 <XioNYC> To many people (ID10Ts), it is.

18:46 <Tank_Master> I rememebr ipod as an overhyped joke

18:47 <Tank_Master> :P

18:47 <Tank_Master> why pay $300 for an mp3 player when the one nect to it for $50 also has radio

18:47 <Tank_Master> next*

18:48 <XioNYC> Hey - if someone told me 15 years ago I'd be walking around with a hard drive in my pocket, I'd've said "cut the wacky tabbacky".

18:49 <XioNYC> Now if only it'd crunch WUs... ;-)

18:50 <Rookie_69> 30 years ago, I walked around with a hard drive in my pocket, but that was adolescence...

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18:53 <PovAddict> he's backz0rz!

18:53 <Tank_Master> MTughan: you are needed in the DD@H isle

18:54 <Tank_Master> :)

18:54 <MTughan> Tank_Master: jacky PM'd me. ;)

18:54 <MTughan> PovAddict: The latest Xcode did seem to come with GCC 4.2, but 4.0.1 is still the primary version.

18:55 <KathrynM> morning

18:55 <PovAddict> meh

18:56 <KathrynM> tell me about it

18:56 <KathrynM> my legs don't like me very much

18:57 <Rookie_69> Mine don't want to hold me up much either.

18:59 <jackygrahamez> hya MTughan_

18:59 <xcamel> hopefully they'll get hungry and wander back

19:00 <Tank_Master> KM!

19:01 <jackygrahamez> so ok to build with xcode gcc 4.0.1

19:01 <KathrynM> 1.2 km on the treadmill yesterday

19:03 <Rookie_69> Run your computer off a generator on the treadmill and the km's will eventually get easier.

19:04 <Rookie_69> Walking's another story though.

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19:08 <Rookie_69> &math convert 23 c to f

19:08 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: c is not a valid unit.

19:08 <Rookie_69> &math convert 23 C to F

19:08 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 73.4

19:09 <MTughan> Yeah, it's not case-insensitive... >_>

19:09 <Rookie_69> Yesterday had some record-breaking temps here. Today was kind of chilly though.

19:11 <Rookie_69> I think it hit 32C down the shore a ways.

19:14 <Rookie_69> Boat's in the water, so hopefully We get some good weather.

19:16 <Tank_Master> you need it out of the water for good weather

19:16 <Rookie_69> Apparently, yesterday was our summer then.

19:18 <Rookie_69> I spent the weekend fairing the keel and plumbing the engine and such... I better get a few days use out of it.

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19:20 <Rookie_69> I spent lots of other weekends doing stuff and things to it too.

19:29 <Rookie_69> I've got everything running the Prime Grid challenge, so I should be warm tonight.

19:30 <PovAddict> LLR or sieve?

19:31 <Rookie_69> PSP.

19:32 <Rookie_69> ... That would be Sieve, I guess.

19:33 <PovAddict> that's a different categorization

19:33 <PovAddict> there is PSP Sieve and PSP LLR

19:33 <Rookie_69>

19:33 <Romulus> <> (at

19:35 <Rookie_69> Doug was supposed to remind me about it, but I think he forgot.

19:36 <Rookie_69> I had one heck of a time getting my oldest box to run it.

19:37 <Rookie_69> Just had to take a broom to the hard drive.

19:46 <Rookie_69> Lots of cobwebs.

19:48 <Rookie_69> Just like my brain.

19:51 <Rookie_69> Yesterday evening was a bit breezy which helped to clean the dust bunnies out of box#linux... And it was full of them.

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19:53 <Rookie_69> My brain just quit... must be bedtime. NN.

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20:31 <xcamel> found the turkeys... chased them back with the 4wheeler about half a mile

20:31 <PovAddict> gobble gobble gobble!!1

20:34 <xcamel> damn things..

20:34 <xcamel> I guess they're all just horny and searching for love

20:35 <efc> Sniff

20:36 <PovAddict> lol

20:37 <Tank_Master> arent we all

20:38 <efc> We had some peacocks live on our roof for a few minutes

20:40 <xcamel> how did they taste?

20:41 <efc> Dunno, they flew next door, and stayed there.

20:42 <Tank_Master> lol

20:51 <efc> they were pretty cool

20:55 <xcamel> had peacocks long ago.

21:03 <efc> One would get mad at every truck that went by and yell at it

21:04 <PovAddict> unbelievable

21:04 <PovAddict> sample_bitwise_validator gives false positives (says WU is valid when it's not) when binary files are involved

21:13 <Tank_Master> o0

21:13 <Tank_Master> thats... not helpful

21:14 <PovAddict> compares up to the first null byte in the files

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21:43 <FreeLarry> humm fedora 8 is x86_64 so should be able to try updating to fedora 10? maybe

21:49 <FreeLarry> can't remember where i put the last dvd so having to burn a new one

21:51 <FreeLarry> any hints or suggestions on upgrade would be appreciated

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21:53 <PovAddict> FreeLarry: I know nothing about fedora

21:54 <PovAddict> I know in Debian/Ubuntu you can't upgrade skipping a version, like from 8.04 to 9.04, you have to do 8.04 -> 8.10 -> 9.04

21:54 <PovAddict> but maybe in Fedora you can do 8->10 without having to upgrade to 9 first

21:55 <FreeLarry> don't know tried to do F9 but never was able to get good iso or burn

21:56 <efc> Ah, they also make a Class 100, 125, etc Pipe

21:56 <PovAddict> you can also upgrade from internet, should even be faster than downloading the iso

21:56 <FreeLarry> will try the boot from dvd and update

21:56 <PovAddict> would download only new versions of things you already have installed

21:56 <PovAddict> (you don't need F9 version of Korean language files :P)

21:56 <FreeLarry> already have 10 dl'ed and still on desktop

21:56 <FreeLarry> ??

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23:29 <FreeLarry> well PovAddict looks like f10 will update f8 but machine being finicay today so have to leave off for now and let things cool down

23:31 <Tank_Master> howdy fl

23:32 <FreeLarry> howdy Tank_Master

23:41 <FreeLarry> things really finicky with that machine - might be the mb going bad as get cpu timing errors causing kernal panics occasionally

23:42 <FreeLarry> if so will replace with a new i7 920 in it with p5Q mb

23:43 <FreeLarry> altho i note the i7 f10 combo is erroring all wu's from cpdn with error code 22

23:43 <FreeLarry> not sure why

23:43 <FreeLarry> &google boinc error code 22

23:43 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Search took 0.16 seconds: ACTIVE TASKS::restart tasks(); restart failed: '( error - code ...: <'(error-code)'>; Init op project failed, error '( error - code )' - Unofficial BOINC Wiki: <,_error_'(error-code)'>; boinc spits strange error code: (3 more messages)

23:44 <FreeLarry> &more

23:44 <Romulus> FreeLarry: <>; Computation error / Output file absent / process exited with code ...: <>; Arch Linux Forums / [Solved] BOINC : Computation error / Output ...: <>; Message Board • View topic - BOINC error 1905: (2 more messages)

23:44 <FreeLarry> &more

23:44 <Romulus> FreeLarry: <>; Message Board • View topic - 'Generic' solutions to models ...: <>; BOINC FAQ Service: <>; Help need for Boinc installation - Page 2 - Ubuntu Forums: <>; WU's fail (1 more message)

23:46 <FreeLarry> &more

23:46 <Romulus> FreeLarry: with several error codes: <>

23:46 <PovAddict> most probably a CPDN-specific error

23:50 <FreeLarry> yeah kind of get that feeling after looking at wiki

23:50 * XioNYC has wasted another perfectly good evening at the keyboard

23:50 <XioNYC> &nn

23:50 *** XioNYC is now known as xionyc

23:50 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

23:50 <FreeLarry> anywho disconnected that machine from cpdn - it also gets einstien specific error codes on it

23:55 <FreeLarry> humm gets to checking dependancies then hangs up and locks machine on update

23:59 <FreeLarry> humm anyway to update f8 to f10 without using installer program on local media?

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