IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-05-01

00:00 <zombie67> back

00:00 <zombie67> I think you grabbed more than one

00:01 <zombie67> try doing it for someone you KNOW you grabbed more than 1

00:03 <XioNYC> "inflventia svinae"

00:03 <XioNYC> Technically, I shouldn't've written it in lowercase, but I didn't wanna shout.

00:04 <zombie67> did you not get the joke?

00:04 <XioNYC> Yeah... But I'm too literal-minded.

00:04 <XioNYC> :-)

00:06 <zombie67> pig latin about a pig flu

00:06 <XioNYC> Fine, fine.... in flew-ay entia-ay swinn-ae-ay...

00:07 <XioNYC> It's either that, or say "Oink!" when you sneeze.

00:08 <zombie67> uh, that's not pig latin

00:09 * XioNYC never could get the hang of pig latin

00:09 <XioNYC> Perhaps we should have a yokel call out "Souuieeeeeeeee" instead of having ambulance sirens.

00:12 * XioNYC wonders what happens to infectees who follow kosher, hallal, or vegan diets...

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02:49 <XioNYC> .o0( ...I must've scared them off... )

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04:13 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.9F / 16.1C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.63in / 1003.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms. Lows around 60. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Friday - Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 70s. Southwest (1 more message)

04:14 <CoderForLife> &more

04:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Friday Night - Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming north with gusts up to 20 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

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06:22 <hawmps> 'lo

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06:58 <hawmps> &wx 12020

06:58 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 56.0F / 13.3C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 12.0mph / 19.3km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Showers this morning...then scattered showers with isolated thunderstorms this afternoon. Breezy with highs in the lower 70s. South winds 20 to 25 mph...becoming southwest around 15 mph this (1 more message)

06:59 <hawmps> &more

06:59 <Romulus> hawmps: afternoon. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Showers likely. Lows around 50. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. West winds around 10 mph.;

06:59 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

07:11 <hawmps> 'lo Mike

07:19 <ELGono> lo dudes

07:33 <hawmps> 'lo ElG

07:41 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

07:41 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 48.0F / 8.9C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Isolated light showers in the morning. High around 60. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of showers 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 40s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Mostly (1 more message)

07:41 <wdsmia> &more

07:41 <Romulus> wdsmia: sunny. High in the mid 60s. Southwest wind near 10 mph.;

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09:07 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

09:07 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 65°F / 18°C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 11mph / 18km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:64 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:44 F.; Clear. High:71 F.; Clear. Low:46 F.; Chance of Rain. High:69 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F.;

09:08 <hawmps> nice..

09:08 <ELGono> &weather erfurt,germany

09:08 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:68 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F.; Clear. High:71 F.; Clear. Low:42 F.; Chance of Rain. High:68 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.;

09:08 <ELGono> had heavy thunderstorm yesterday with some flashes coming quite near

09:08 <ELGono> but since that nice spring weather again

09:08 <ELGono> "backside" weather

09:10 <ELGono> heidi is out on the balkony working on structure of her thesis

09:17 <hawmps> A thing of beauty is a joy forever...

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09:21 <ELGono> hehe nice said jay

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12:05 <yoyo[RKN]> &coffee

12:05 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

12:05 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

12:06 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 5:50 PM CEST; Clear. High:71 F.; Clear. Low:37 F.; Clear. High:75 F.; Clear. Low:37 F.; Clear. High:73 F.; Rain. Low:44 F.;

12:06 <ELGono> &weather meinigen,germany

12:06 <Romulus> ELGono: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

12:06 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

12:06 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 66°F / 19°C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 14km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM CEST; Clear. High:69 F.; Clear. Low:42 F.; Chance of Rain. High:68 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F.; Chance of Rain. High:71 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.;

12:06 <ELGono> die waterkant wieder ;)

12:11 <yoyo[RKN]> Berlin

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13:31 <ELGono> &whatis x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

13:31 <Romulus> ELGono: Error: No factoid matches that key.

13:31 <ELGono> &whatis anonymous

13:31 <Romulus> ELGono: Error: No factoid matches that key.

13:32 <FreeLarry> &whatis anonomous

13:32 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Error: No factoid matches that key.

13:32 <Tank_Master> &whatis yourmom

13:32 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: No factoid matches that key.

13:32 <ELGono> &whatis linux

13:32 <Romulus> ELGono: Error: No factoid matches that key.

13:32 <Tank_Master> &whatis boinc

13:32 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: No factoid matches that key.

13:33 <FreeLarry> &whatis whatis

13:33 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Error: No factoid matches that key.

13:33 <Tank_Master> &win64

13:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Are you daft?

13:33 <Tank_Master> &areyoudaft?

13:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Are you daft?

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13:54 <Tank_Master> so, with will DD@H have work?

14:04 <hawmps> Tank_Master: Are you daft?

14:08 <PovAddict> lol

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15:21 <PovAddict>

15:21 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - SWINE FLU!!! (at

15:28 <ELGono> damn cmake missing curl

15:28 <ELGono> although installed

15:28 <PovAddict> ?

15:28 <PovAddict> what are you building?

15:28 <ELGono> elgono@vsync:~/src/miktex-2.8-beta-2$ cmake -G "Unix Makefiles"

15:28 <ELGono> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:57 (MESSAGE):

15:28 <ELGono>   Could NOT find CURL (missing: CURL_LIBRARY CURL_INCLUDE_DIR)

15:28 <ELGono> Call Stack (most recent call first):

15:28 <ELGono>   /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindCURL.cmake:19 (FIND_PACKAGE_HANDLE_STANDARD_ARGS)

15:28 <ELGono>   CMakeLists.txt:303 (find_package)

15:28 <ELGono> -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred

15:28 <Tank_Master> p0rn

15:29 <PovAddict> you don't need curl, you need dev libraries for libcurl

15:29 <PovAddict> what does curl-config --version say?

15:42 <ELGono> dev lib missing

15:42 <ELGono> indeed

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15:51 <ELGono> compiling now

16:13 <ELGono> narf

16:13 <ELGono> PackageTableModel.cpp:100: error: conversion from ‘size_t’ to ‘QVariant’ is ambiguous

16:14 <ELGono> but who needs gui ;)

16:15 <FreeLarry> my word looks like a lot of non standard code in that line ELGono

16:16 <ELGono> not that wierd as it looks like, but nasty enough to quit for this evening

16:20 <PovAddict> QVariant is something from Qt library?

16:25 <jasong> When people(yourselves or others around you) go into stores to buy laptops, do the salesclerks make a lot of fuss about SSDs and battery savings?

16:25 <jasong> erm, salespeople I mean.  Not sure why I typed that other word

16:26 <mw_away> anyone ever hear of siCortex?

16:26 <mw_away> they just tried to sell me some HPC boxes,they are nice.

16:28 <Tank_Master> mw!

16:28 <mw_away> hey Tank

16:28 <mw_away> always nice to see you.

16:28 <Tank_Master> :)

16:28 <mw_away> having a good friday?

16:29 <Tank_Master> yeah, though this sandwixh isnt so good

16:29 <Tank_Master> end of the veriery pack for the turky,

16:29 <mw_away> ouch

16:29 <mw_away> at least it's not pork I guess.

16:30 <Tank_Master> its turky/boluga mix

16:30 <mw_away> even when it's "good" I'm not so sure about that.

16:30 <Tank_Master> was I who picked it out...

16:30 <Tank_Master> lol

16:30 <Tank_Master> exactly

16:31 <Tank_Master> I should  have my qx9750 up n runing next week

16:31 <mw_away> whats taking so long

16:32 <Tank_Master> just ordered the mobo yesterday

16:32 <mw_away> ok

16:33 <mw_away> these sicortex guys had some really nice hardware.

16:33 <mw_away> if you buy a midrange model you get one of the small ones for free.

16:33 <Tank_Master> what king of geekp0rn do they have?

16:34 <Tank_Master> kind*

16:34 <mw_away> the small ones list at $23k

16:34 <Tank_Master> 00

16:34 <Tank_Master> "that all"?

16:34 <mw_away> thats the smallone.

16:35 <Tank_Master> how much for the big one?

16:36 <mw_away> the mid range is 400K and the super big ones top out at 1.5 million or something close.

16:37 <mw_away> coolest feature is the kind of graph they use to connect nodes and the fact that there is only one clock signal.

16:37 <Tank_Master> you got 1.5m laying around?

16:37 <Tank_Master> that could get you some serious crunching power :P

16:39 <mw_away> they are working on a solution to connect 4 big boxes but they will each have their own clock.

16:39 <mw_away> and no

16:40 <mw_away> I have 35 cents in my pocket.

16:40 <CoderForLife> TGIF

16:40 <mw_away> I'm going to make my coworker buy me my beer after work today too.

16:41 <Tank_Master> lol

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16:50 <wdsmia_w> almost time to go home :)

16:50 <wdsmia_w> bbiab

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16:50 <Tank_Master> hf

16:51 <Tank_Master> or not

16:57 <Tank_Master>

16:57 <Romulus> Title: Recorded Sighting of Bigfoot Has Scientists Buzzing (at

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17:08 <Tank_Master>

17:08 <Romulus> <> (at

17:09 <PovAddict> what a view

17:11 <Ageless93> two space shuttles?

17:15 <Ageless93> they're ready to send people away from Earth to wait out the mexican flu thing, I bet. Those who will survive this doomsday scenario

17:18 <Tank_Master> lol

17:20 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:20 <Tank_Master> never mind that 1750 times more peole die each month from the common flu than from this mexican pig flu

17:20 <Tank_Master> re-wb

17:20 <Ageless93> it isn't round one you should be worried about, but round two which is apprently always heavier.

17:21 <Tank_Master> what is this, a boxing ring?

17:21 <Ageless93> luckily I am not a young person with great health, so it'll probably pass me by. We'll probably get some of that meningnitis that's wreaking havoc in Africa (and that no one is hearing about).

17:22 <Tank_Master> meningwaa?

17:25 <Ageless93> meningites

17:26 <Ageless93>

17:26 <Romulus> <> (at

17:26 <Ageless93> but since it's africa, it isn't interesting enough

17:27 <PovAddict> Ageless93: makes that same point at 0:20

17:27 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - SWINE FLU!!! (at

17:29 <PovAddict> the theories he describes later are SO ridiculous

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17:33 <Ageless93> well, wake me pelase when the mexican flu has killed 1,900 people and infected another 56,000

17:33 <PovAddict> yup

17:35 <Ageless93> I had a good laugh on Monday though, listening to a radio show on Caroline. The DJ told us of the problems with the name "Swine flu" and how some people (in America) wanted to change this...

17:35 <Ageless93> because people everywhere in the world could get it and if you're a Jew or of Islamic religion, you wouldn't want to catch a flu named after an unpure animal.

17:35 <Tank_Master> refering to the pretien that needs changing to be what the media wants?

17:35 <Ageless93> (also why I type Mexican flu ;))

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17:47 <qnr> Hi. I've been trying to get the email that allows me to assign a password to my account for about 20 hours. I've requested it four times I think. I know for a fact that it's not being held as spam - does anyone know if seti@home or BOINC are having any problems?

17:48 <PovAddict> <- this?

17:48 <Romulus> Title: Forgot your account info? (at

17:49 <qnr> PovAddict, yeah, that's where I'm making the request, and it says it's sending the email to me, but it's not arriving

17:49 <PovAddict> I just tested it, took a minute

17:50 <qnr> interesting

17:50 <qnr> I'm getting other email from seti@home at that address

17:50 <Ageless93> check your spam box

17:50 <PovAddict> :D

17:50 <Romulus> Title: qcjeph: If Scientific American says it, it must be true (at

17:51 <qnr> it goes to before being forwarded to my compute, I check my spam box regularly

17:51 <qnr> it's just plain not coming in\

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17:53 <Ageless93> HIJACK!

17:53 <jackygrahamez> RTFM

17:53 <qnr> basically, I used to be really active under the classic, then quit due to computer problems at about the time that BOINC started. I'd like to restart, but keep my credits ... guess that's not going to happen and I'll just have to set up a new account

17:53 <jackygrahamez> whatis& RTFM

17:54 <jackygrahamez> ls

17:54 <jackygrahamez> woops

17:54 <jackygrahamez> hi

17:54 <Ageless93> @gnr, it can take a while for those emails to come in.

17:55 <qnr> Ageless93, ok, thanks - IIRC, I tried about 14 months ago with similar results (but didn't follow it up with the BOINC help or #boinc or anything).  It's been about 20 hours now.  I'll wait a while longer

17:55 <jackygrahamez> Ageless93 and I were discussing some ideas on managing data better...we fleshed out an idea...I typically download from a public repository and deliver to the users the input...would it be a bad idea for the users to dowload from this public repository as part of a workunit?

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17:56 <Ageless93> nah, I wasn't meaning 20 hours... just about an hour

17:56 <qnr> I'm just wondering if I used a different email address, then the email seti@home sent me was to the address that I'm trying to use...

17:56 <Ageless93> it'll send it to the email address of your account that it has in the database. If it isn't in the database, you'll get an error message

17:57 <qnr> I me if I used a different one originally - also, I meant but the email seti@home sent is the one I'm trying

17:57 <qnr> sheesh, I can

17:57 <qnr> t type for beans today

17:57 <Ageless93> lol, join the club :)

17:57 <qnr> heheh

17:58 <qnr> I don't see why they'd send it to that email address if it wasn't the correct one to use

17:58 <jackygrahamez> btw I have to thank MTughan for the help with compiling on Mac. It did the job!

17:59 <Ageless93> they do things differently at seti... but usually if the email addy isn't in the DB there's a message to that when you fill in the wrong one.

17:59 <qnr> bleagh.  it's only 3,000 credits.  I should just start anew, but I was kind of hoping on rejoining some teams. oh well

18:00 <Ageless93> the only other thing is, these emails are sent by either or and those tend to end up in the spam box.

18:00 <qnr> I understand

18:01 <Ageless93> i have a filter for emails from Seti, but things like that and notices that such and so wants to be my friend always end up in my spam filter in gmail...

18:01 <qnr> However, I route all of my mail through, and I check both my inbox and held mail (the 'SPAM folder') every 30 minutes or so

18:02 <Ageless93> perhaps that your mail goes off into that cyber-hole...

18:02 <Ageless93> hold on

18:02 <Ageless93> did you check for lower case?

18:02 <Ageless93> did you type everything in lower case, I mean?

18:03 <qnr> yes

18:04 <qnr> I'm not worried about my email being harvested, so I'm going to make a very small dump, sorry

18:04 <qnr> From: "SETI@home" <>

18:04 <qnr> To: Terry Ross <>

18:04 <qnr> Subject: Please rejoin SETI@home

18:04 <Ageless93> the DB there will store everything in lower case only, but if you then type something with upper case/lower case combo, it'll do I don't know what. also if you ever registered there with an email address that had upper case characters in it, it'll tend to ignore your email address if you fill it in in all lower case

18:05 <qnr> ^----- that made it to me fine... and I'm using the email address they used <shrug> don't know why I'm not getting a reply

18:05 <PovAddict> qnr: SETI sent you a mail telling you to rejoin, but fails to mail you the account key? :/

18:05 <qnr> right

18:06 * PovAddict checks if Eric Korpela is online in Jabber

18:06 <Ageless93> or best email david anderson... explain it to him, perhaps that he can reactivate your email address.

18:06 <qnr> unfortunately, the drive that had my old SETI and BOINC info bit the dust, so I can't even try to grep the old password or authenticator

18:07 <PovAddict> does DA do anything with SETI other than upgrade its web code before testing it?

18:07 <Ageless93> email davea at ssl dot berkeley dot edu and explain it to him, tell what your old account is.

18:07 <qnr> ok, thanks. I'll give that a try

18:08 <Ageless93> we send people over to him who want to have their ancient 3 Classic accounts all consolidated in their BOINC account, Nic. ;)

18:08 <PovAddict> heh

18:09 <PovAddict> I guess I have a bit of a passive-agressive relationship with David :P

18:09 <Tank_Master> jack!!

18:09 <qnr> so lots of people have 3 classic?  I know I do, the ones from 1999 don't show anything, just the one from 2000

18:09 <jackygrahamez> I'll ask my question again...any issued if we direct hosts to download from public repositories?

18:09 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: huh

18:10 <Tank_Master> woot, 3 DD@H WUs!

18:10 <Tank_Master> :D

18:10 <Tank_Master> crap

18:10 <Tank_Master> one failed - cant remaine output file...

18:10 <jackygrahamez> Instead of having the workunit download a molecular file downloaded to my server, why not tell the host to download from the public repository I grab it from?

18:10 <PovAddict> nothing wrong with giving a download URL that is not in the project server; md5 hashes will make sure it's valid

18:11 <PovAddict> it does need a bit of hacking in the server code, though

18:11 <Ageless93> will it give problems with the external server, seeing it as a ddos attack?

18:11 <jackygrahamez> ok so actually write into that xml file for the workunit stored in the database?

18:12 <PovAddict> well sure, they will see a ton of downloads coming from "BOINC client" user agents and wonder WTF

18:12 <Ageless93> if all of a sudden 4,500 hosts ask that same file 24/7...

18:12 <jackygrahamez> they might think we were a bot army that's my concern

18:12 <jackygrahamez> my primary concern

18:12 <PovAddict> ask the server owner first

18:13 <jackygrahamez> good idea

18:13 <jackygrahamez> the other approach I was thinking was including a wget binary and have it download through the job file...but I gather that does not use the md5

18:13 <mikechelen> it's going to depend on the bandwidth limits on the host

18:14 <mikechelen> probably, if there are too many users downloading, they will be throttled down

18:14 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: that gives you more complexity, less security, and same server-hitting

18:15 * PovAddict looks at the relevant part of the server code and bangs his head slowly and repeatedly against his keyboard

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18:17 <jackygrahamez> Ageless93 do you recall the size of the RCSB repository?

18:17 <Ageless93> qwerty tattood on your head now?

18:18 <Ageless93> between 600 and 750MB

18:18 <PovAddict> :|

18:18 <PovAddict> clients will download that'

18:18 <PovAddict> ?

18:18 <jackygrahamez> are you joking?

18:18 <Ageless93> if those files we got were anything to go by, at least

18:18 <jackygrahamez> the entire database?

18:19 <jackygrahamez> all 57266 Structures

18:19 <jackygrahamez> ?

18:19 <Ageless93> checking

18:19 <mikechelen> how many clients will be downloading?

18:19 <PovAddict> clients won't need the entire DB though, will they?

18:20 <Ageless93> oh, slightly less... about 450 MB ;)

18:21 <PovAddict>

18:21 <Romulus> <> (at

18:21 <jackygrahamez> are those compressed structures?

18:21 <PovAddict> ugh, the files send no size information

18:21 <PovAddict> the 4hhb.pdb.gz example is 110KB

18:21 <Ageless93> the only reference I could find was in german and it said someone getting it 250MB compressed... and finding out it took 420Mb in total

18:22 <Tank_Master> &whatis discoveringdrugs

18:22 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: No factoid matches that key.

18:22 <Tank_Master> &whatis dd@h

18:22 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: No factoid matches that key.

18:22 <PovAddict> &whatis drugdiscovery

18:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: "drugdiscovery" could be (#1) New BOINC project, models the behavor of lead compounds that could be developed into new medicines., or (#2)

18:22 <Tank_Master> crap

18:22 <Tank_Master> ahh, why didnt you make it more simple? :P

18:22 <Tank_Master> thx

18:23 <PovAddict> &learn DD@H as See 'DrugDiscovery'

18:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

18:23 <jackygrahamez>

18:23 <Ageless93> but jack, if the files you got are really anything to go by, it's way bigger.

18:24 <PovAddict> the whole archive is 85 gigabytes

18:24 <Tank_Master>

18:24 <Romulus> <> (at

18:24 <Ageless93> ok, I can download that .. takes a couple of minutes ;)

18:24 <Tank_Master> 85GB is nothing these days

18:25 * PovAddict continues looking at backend_lib.cpp and thinks he wouldn't do the necessary changes for free :/

18:25 <PovAddict> &boincerr -148

18:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: exec() failed

18:25 <Tank_Master> thats so helpfull....

18:25 <jackygrahamez> Well if someone provides am 85 GB repository we can hack the workunit submission to replace the url for the receptor

18:26 <Ageless93> ERR_EXEC -148

18:26 <Ageless93> BOINC cannot create a new process. Or BOINC is already running. Only one instance of BOINC can run at any time.

18:26 <PovAddict> "BOINC is already running"?

18:26 <PovAddict> this is about starting of science apps, not of BOINC itself

18:26 <Tank_Master> it was an autodock WU, the fzd2 WUs are runing fine

18:27 <Ageless93> unless teh app crashes and takes Boinc along, Bm then tries to restart the client.

18:27 <Tank_Master> I didnt see boinc crash

18:27 <Ageless93> do we ever...

18:27 <PovAddict> lately, when BOINC crashes, it's usually my fault

18:27 <Tank_Master> lol

18:27 <jackygrahamez> oh yeah the DD@H, I'm working on 7zip now anyway I'm going to ignore you guys so I can get that working

18:28 <Tank_Master> 7zip?

18:28 <Romulus> Rumor has it 7zip is a file archiver using lzma as the default compression algorithm, Tank_Master

18:28 <PovAddict> maybe it's a bad idea to run long CPDN WUs on a client I'm changing the code of

18:28 <Ageless93> ignored again :(

18:28 <Tank_Master> I dont have 7zip

18:28 <Tank_Master> oh stfu rommie

18:28 <Ageless93> it'll come with a 7zip app, TM

18:28 <Ageless93> which will unzip the data

18:28 <Tank_Master> why 7zip?

18:28 * PovAddict could do all that without ever starting a new process

18:29 <Tank_Master> windows has its own unziping capibility built in

18:29 <Ageless93> way better compression and available for all platforms, plus open source

18:29 <Ageless93> like BOINC will ever use a platform own api

18:29 <jackygrahamez> not really 7zip 7za

18:29 <Tank_Master> opensource doenst automaticly make it better :P

18:29 <jackygrahamez> 7za is LGP I belive

18:30 <Ageless93> try zipping something. then try 7zipping it.

18:30 <Ageless93> 7zip will beat it every time. Only RARing may be better

18:31 <PovAddict> LZMA SDK is public domain

18:31 <Tank_Master> I do use winrar

18:31 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: I bet money you didn't pay money for it

18:31 <Tank_Master> mostly to unpack iso files

18:31 <Tank_Master> why would I pay for it?

18:31 <Ageless93> Compression ratio in the new 7z format is 30-50% better than ratio in ZIP format.

18:31 <Tank_Master> doesnt get me anything

18:32 <PovAddict> of course, doesn't get you anything compared to pirated versions

18:32 <PovAddict> Ageless93: even more in the particular case you want to compress

18:32 <Tank_Master> I dont use the pirited versions either

18:32 <Tank_Master> I just get it from

18:32 <PovAddict> Ageless93: the MGLTools zip has lots of small files, solid compression will make a huge difference even if you used zip's Deflate compression algorithm

18:34 <Ageless93> my little example on a BM I made and zipped, 7zipped and RARed:

18:34 <Ageless93> 128.072 boincmgr26.7z

18:34 <Ageless93> 149.729 boincmgr26.rar

18:34 <Ageless93> 177.320

18:34 <Ageless93> that's bytes

18:34 <PovAddict> single file?

18:35 <Ageless93> dictionary 64MB, word size 256, solid block size: solid

18:36 <Ageless93> it's got BM.exe and boinc.dll

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18:36 <PovAddict> Ageless93: try 7zip on this

18:36 <PovAddict> &url last --with zip

18:36 <Romulus> PovAddict:

18:37 <jackygrahamez> sounds like we are making an info-mercial for 7zip

18:38 <Tank_Master> jack...

18:38 <Tank_Master> how long are these WUs to take?

18:38 <Ageless93> lol... aren't you glad I told you about it a year ago?

18:38 <Tank_Master> app 1.02, fzd2

18:38 <jackygrahamez> that depends if I set ga=10 or ga=1

18:38 <Tank_Master> 10

18:39 <jackygrahamez> for every ga I would give it 8 minutes

18:39 <Tank_Master> ok

18:39 <jackygrahamez> so 10 would be 120 minutes

18:39 <PovAddict> wouldn't that be 80?

18:39 <jackygrahamez> I can't add

18:39 <Tank_Master> ok

18:39 <PovAddict> o_o

18:39 <Tank_Master> been 30 min

18:39 <Tank_Master> on my atom

18:40 <PovAddict> no progress reporting?

18:40 <jackygrahamez> 1 hour 20 minutes that's what I meant

18:40 <Tank_Master> pov = its always displaying 66.6%

18:40 <jackygrahamez> you have to write that into the app right?

18:40 <Ageless93> sorry.. downloaded it, decompressed it, am now recompressing

18:40 <jackygrahamez> using api?

18:41 <jackygrahamez> i gave up on that way back

18:41 <Tank_Master> lol

18:41 <jackygrahamez> just trying to get the frigin thing to work

18:41 <Ageless93> before it's weekend

18:41 * PovAddict wrote a custom validator test program

18:41 <Tank_Master> these longer WUs will be nice... will keep me busy longer

18:42 <PovAddict> here's a ton of files passed to the bitwise validator:

18:42 <xcamel> 'elo

18:42 <Romulus> <> (at

18:43 <Tank_Master> howdy xcamel

18:43 <Ageless93> ok, Nick: original zip was 31.5MB (33,124,364 bytes)

18:43 <qnr> Thank you for your help, he responded very rapidly, and I'm not able to access the old account

18:44 <qnr> s/not/now/

18:44 <PovAddict> gotta hate those typos that invert meaning :)

18:44 <Tank_Master> yep :)

18:44 <qnr> heheheh really

18:44 <xcamel> 'lo Jord

18:45 <Ageless93> unpacked was 91.1MB (95,527,484 bytes)

18:45 <qnr> I think I'll give up typing for the day... just bought about 25 used books, time for some reading instead

18:45 <Tank_Master> hf

18:45 <Tank_Master> good load thats big

18:45 <Tank_Master> what were you unpacking?

18:45 <Ageless93> 7zipped is 19.6MB (20,596,637 bytes)

18:46 <PovAddict> &math calc 2059663700/95527484

18:46 <Romulus> PovAddict: 21.5609541229

18:47 <Tank_Master> ill brb

18:47 <jackygrahamez> ok after compressing these files I get access deined in Windows

18:47 <jackygrahamez> Only doing windows right now

18:49 <jackygrahamez> time will come when I trim down this python some more

18:50 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news May 1, 2009

18:50 <Ageless93> if we can compress it by 215%...

18:51 <jackygrahamez> so how do I keep the execute was not an issue when I used the zip format

18:52 <PovAddict> windows has no notion of "execute privileges"

18:52 <Ageless93> the decompressing works?

18:53 <CoderForLife> Vista has no notion of letting anything execute

18:53 <jackygrahamez> If you open properties for the file and go to security, you will find a checkbox. When I look at that checkbox for python it was unchecked

18:54 <jackygrahamez> once checked, it executes

18:54 <PovAddict> and neither zip nor 7zip have a notion of any kind of permissions

18:54 <PovAddict> unlike tar, which keeps Unix permissions (but doesn't understand Windows ACLs)

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18:55 <jackygrahamez> When I prepared this archive, I unziped it then I used 7za all on the linux box...maybe I should prepare it in windows

18:58 <jackygrahamez> anybody investing in Purell?

18:58 * PovAddict doesn't invest

18:59 <Rookie_69> I only seem to invest in Labatt and exxon.

19:02 <Ageless93> isn't labatt canadian?

19:02 <Rookie_69> As am I.

19:02 <Ageless93> liked their ice beer, when I still drank

19:02 <xcamel> molson and mobil

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19:02 <Rookie_69> Actually, It's now owned by Interbrau.

19:02 <jackygrahamez> can Labatt cure swine flu?

19:03 <Ageless93> ok, going to restart work at Hydrogen.

19:04 * PovAddict still getting CPDN credits, good

19:04 <xcamel> good idea with mw going 'cudafied' and not giving out normal work anymore

19:04 <PovAddict> is that sarcasm?

19:05 <xcamel> no

19:07 <xcamel> Hydrogen running again?

19:08 <Ageless93> hydrogen is running again

19:08 <Ageless93> 2 day deadline

19:08 <Ageless93> see if we can keep abreast of the deleter now

19:08 <PovAddict> &learn Hydrogen@Home as A BOINC project that studies clean technologies for the production of hydrogen for energy purposes.

19:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

19:08 <PovAddict> &learn Hydrogen@Home as

19:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

19:09 <Ageless93> it was a fun test today. (at least, I thought so :))

19:09 * PovAddict attaches

19:09 <Tank_Master> ib

19:09 * PovAddict notes his manager is still consistently forgetting column sizes

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19:10 <Tank_Master> gaa boinc's scedular sucks

19:10 <Tank_Master> comp has been attached to hydrogen for over a week, and the comp has also been idle

19:10 <Ageless93> backing off unnoticed for 4 hours again

19:10 <Tank_Master> yet it never requested work

19:11 <Tank_Master> from hydrogen

19:11 <Ageless93> so you missed out on all the good work

19:11 <Tank_Master> basicly

19:11 <Ageless93> well, there's work now. Just got 4 myself

19:11 <PovAddict> &learn BOINC scheduler as the buggiest part of BOINC since 6.4

19:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

19:11 <Tank_Master> why wouldnt iy request work?

19:11 <Ageless93> ask DA.. I gave his email address earlier. :P

19:11 <Tank_Master> got 2 WUs here

19:12 <Tank_Master> lol

19:12 <PovAddict> I got no h2 work here

19:12 <PovAddict> ok now I did

19:12 <Tank_Master> man, that pisses me off

19:12 <Ageless93> if you're deferring for 24 hours... easily done within 24 hours... you only ask work once a day at that specific time

19:12 <Tank_Master> coulda been runing all day yesterday on just hydrogen

19:12 <PovAddict>

19:12 <Romulus> <> (at

19:12 <Tank_Master> it wasnt defering at all

19:12 <Ageless93> and if there is work 3 seconds before that and 5 thereafter, but not when you ask, you're deferred for 24 hours...

19:12 <Tank_Master> just sat there

19:13 <Ageless93> it's silently backing off.

19:13 <Ageless93> I hate it as well

19:13 <Tank_Master> 24h is to long

19:13 <Ageless93> 24 hours is stupid as a number

19:13 <Tank_Master> 1h should be the max

19:13 <PovAddict> whoa that's a lot of 10MB files

19:13 <Ageless93> 23 or 25 is better if you want to back off, then you have variation when asking for work

19:14 <Ageless93> Nick: about 100MB

19:14 <Ageless93> see why we want 7zip? ;)

19:14 <PovAddict> I see just five 9.6MB app files

19:14 <PovAddict> oh, plus 200-300KB .pdb files

19:14 <Ageless93> yeah, I probably have some leftover old apps around. But consitently 99.x Mb on both machines

19:16 <PovAddict> those 10MBs add up

19:16 <jackygrahamez> we may be trimming down these apps in the future

19:16 <PovAddict> I'm at 46MB already

19:16 <jackygrahamez> need to dedicate more research to what application files are necessary

19:16 <PovAddict> for hydrogen app, are they all python?

19:17 <jackygrahamez> rats access denied again

19:17 <xcamel> that is a tad large..

19:17 <PovAddict> yeah well, that could be one thing to do to lower size: each 9MB app includes a whole copy of the python interpreter inside...

19:18 <jackygrahamez> the MGLToolsPckgs were written in python they are used to prep workunits and results

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19:18 <jackygrahamez> your talking about the ones running on autodock

19:19 <jackygrahamez> on hydrogen

19:19 <jackygrahamez> sorry

19:19 <PovAddict> yes

19:19 <jackygrahamez> anyway I have the new ones which I'm running on DD@H and it consists of to folders in the archive

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19:19 <PovAddict> there's 6 executables, all Python-based, all including the whole interpreter inside

19:19 <jackygrahamez> the MGLToolsPckgs and a Python distribution

19:20 <Tank_Master> man, why didnt you guys tell me hydrigen was tuning 2 days ago? :P

19:20 <Tank_Master> running*

19:20 <jackygrahamez> that's how I'm planning to go

19:20 <PovAddict> finished downloading, 65MB

19:20 <jackygrahamez> these older ones on H2@H are too clunky

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19:20 <jackygrahamez> hard to maintain

19:20 <jackygrahamez> and wastful

19:20 <Ageless93> I just checked, I also still got those grmoacs apps taking up space.

19:20 <si> anyone know why seti work units take so long to complete compared to a few months back ?

19:21 <Ageless93> *gromacs

19:21 <Tank_Master> the mgl_topols WUs are erroring out again

19:21 <jackygrahamez> one thing at a time...why i can't execute the extracted python!!!

19:21 <Ageless93> what application extracts the files?

19:21 <jackygrahamez> 7za

19:22 <jackygrahamez> did not have this issue with zip

19:23 * PovAddict points at "Please use #boinc_dev for server/coding discussion" in the topic

19:23 <Tank_Master> is anyone actually there?

19:24 <PovAddict> I have been helping CoderForLife with his project for the past week or two there

19:24 <Tank_Master> ah

19:25 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 60.4F / 15.8C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 40s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. High in the upper 60s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 40s. Southwest wind near 10 mph.;

19:30 <CoderForLife> indeed he has

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19:45 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

19:45 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 48.0°F / 8.9°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 14.8mph / 23.8km/h | Updated: 8:44 PM ADT; Tonight - Periods of rain. Amount 10 to 15 mm(0.4 to 0.6 in). Fog patches. Wind south 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph) becoming southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) early this evening. Temperature steady (2 more messages)

19:45 <Rookie_69> &more

19:45 <Romulus> Rookie_69: near 9C(48F).; Saturday - Periods of rain ending in the morning then cloudy with 30 percent chance of showers. Amount 2 mm(0.1 in). Fog patches dissipating early in the afternoon. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming west 30 km/h (19 mph) in the afternoon. High 17C(63F) except 10C(50F) along the coast. UV index 4 or moderate. Saturday night cloudy periods. Fog patches (1 more message)

19:45 <Rookie_69> &more

19:45 <Romulus> Rookie_69: developing overnight. Wind west 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming light in the evening. Low 4C(39F).; Sunday - Sunny. High 14C(57F).;

19:46 *** sigmund_ is now known as sigmund

19:47 <Rookie_69> At least the rain is putting out the brush fire that the wind whipped up.

19:51 *** Ageless93 is now known as Ageless93[Away]

19:51 * Ageless93[Away] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes

19:54 * PovAddict just hacked the client so it doesn't delete output files after uploading

19:54 <Ageless93[Away]> I am not away... just talking to Rom

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19:55 <PovAddict> any idea which Primegrid subproject has the shortest WUs?

19:55 <Ageless93> I am running only LLRs.

19:55 <Ageless93> they're short

19:55 <PovAddict> I'd like to run both

19:55 <Ageless93> PPS LLR

19:55 <PovAddict> ie. which is the shortest LLR and which is the shortest sieve? :)

19:55 <Ageless93> test it

19:55 <Ageless93> depends on your computer

19:56 <Ageless93> for me sieves take ages..

19:56 <PovAddict> Proth Prime Search?

19:57 <si> any idea why my seti work unit's are taking ages?  (they wont complete in the alloted time).

19:57 <PovAddict> damn, I attached *before* selecting apps, now I got a llr321 with ETA of 15 hours

20:03 <Ageless93> more transitioner challenges. why are we sending out a 6th result when our max errors is 5? we always end up canceling 2.

20:04 <Ageless93> thinking about that, why are we cancelling 2 when max errors is 5?

20:05 <PovAddict> what's wrong with sending a 6th when max errors is 5?

20:06 <Ageless93> isn't that overkill?

20:06 <PovAddict> did you get 5 errors and it generated a 6th result?

20:06 <Ageless93> that's the thing... checking into that.

20:08 <Ageless93> initial 3 sent 11:16:51-54

20:08 <PovAddict> what's the WU ID?

20:09 <Ageless93> 4th at 11;56:43, 5th at 13;12:44 and 6th at 14;32:25

20:09 <Ageless93> 565944

20:10 <PovAddict> the problem there is the 'total result' count

20:10 <PovAddict> it shouldn't have generated a 6th if the *total* result count was 5

20:10 <PovAddict> oh, I guess it reached 3 errors sooner than that...

20:11 <Ageless93> shows us cancelling 2

20:11 <Romulus> <> (at

20:12 <Ageless93> so why is it then cancelling 2 if we haven't reached max 5 errors yet?

20:13 <Ageless93> min quorum  3, target results  3, max error results  3, max total results  5, max success results  5

20:14 <Ageless93> ah, I misread that. max error is 3.

20:14 <Ageless93> max total is 5. still.. even then we shouldn't send out a 6th, or cancel 2

20:15 <wdsmia> [18:23] * PovAddict points at "Please use #boinc_dev for server/coding discussion" in the topic

20:16 <Rookie_69> wdsmia>[18:23] * PovAddict points at "Please use #boinc_dev for server/coding discussion" in the topic

20:18 <Ageless93> sorry I messed up everyone's sleep in this channel. I didn't consider a transitioner question a development question.

20:20 <Rookie_69> Sleep... That's what I'm missing.

20:24 <Rookie_69> NN.

20:24 <wdsmia> cya Glenn

20:24 <Rookie_69> ICU too.

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20:55 <CoderForLife> well - I've reached my weekly mistake quota

20:55 <CoderForLife> the one for next week, I mean

20:55 <CoderForLife> gn folks

20:55 <Tank_Master> :)

20:55 <Tank_Master> gn

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21:24 <PovAddict> &whatis hydrogen@home

21:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: "hydrogen@home" could be (#1) A BOINC project that studies clean technologies for the production of hydrogen for energy purposes., or (#2)

21:31 <Ageless93> ugh

21:31 <Ageless93> I had a pudding yesterday... looks at clock. The day before yesterday.

21:31 <Ageless93> and I can still taste it.

21:32 <PovAddict> lol

21:32 <Ageless93> didn't matter what I ate, smoked or drank.

21:32 <Ageless93> that stupid one taste and smell is constantly coming back

21:32 <Ageless93> and it's one of cotton candy

21:33 <Ageless93> or I must be adopting diabetes

21:34 <Ageless93> will go make yet another cup of strong tea

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22:05 <PovAddict> if anyone wants to help with the WU-crashing, I believe the invite code is still 'icecream'

22:05 <Romulus> Title: Create an account (at

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22:41 <Ageless93> nigth all

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22:54 <jasong> I want to google the word "atom" but suppress words like atomic.  Could someone tell me how to do that, please?

22:54 <PovAddict> oh I wish

22:54 <PovAddict> what I hate the most of Google is when it puts Spanish results first

22:54 <PovAddict> for programming-related stuff, that means lower-quality stuff first -.-

22:55 <jasong> Did you notice what I wrote just now? :)

22:55 <PovAddict> there's also something impossible to search on Google: information about COM (Component Object Model)

22:55 <PovAddict> jasong: yes... that's why I'm replying

22:55 <PovAddict> I wish I knew how to search "atom" without "atomic"

22:55 <jasong> k :)

22:56 <jasong> damn

22:56 <PovAddict> that's Google trying to be smart instead of doing what you tell it to do

22:56 <jasong> hmmm would -atom* work?

22:56 <PovAddict> seriously, try to search for COM, see what results you get

22:56 <jasong> I'm afraid to attempt it

22:56 <PovAddict> &google COM

22:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.

22:56 <PovAddict> ah yes, that one search doesn't seem to work on Romulus

22:57 <jasong> Wasn't there a search engine that used and/or/not type code?

22:57 <PovAddict> Google does...

22:57 <PovAddict> you can search for: atom -atomic

22:57 <jasong> hmmmm, I'll have to experiment

22:57 <PovAddict> you can search for: atom (cpu OR processor)

22:57 <jasong> what about atom -atom*

22:57 <jasong> ahhh, there we go

22:57 <PovAddict> but no, I don't think what you're asking is directly possible

22:57 <jasong> thanks

23:00 <jasong> lol, too bad we don't have insiders that can get someone to make a good board that'll take a few Atoms and a few graphics cards on one board, with empty slots allowed for expanding

23:01 <jasong> I've heard of, but never seen, boards that can take 4 quad cores

23:01 <jasong> Not really sure where you go for those

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23:05 <Nickuwo> let say hypothetically that I need to execute create_work 10 million times... should i do it with C, perl, or bash?

23:05 <Nickuwo> bash = too slow?

23:05 <PovAddict> for 10 million I'd suggest C

23:05 <PovAddict> bash is slow yes, but that's not the problem

23:05 <Nickuwo> right on

23:05 <Nickuwo> no?

23:05 <PovAddict> the problem is the create_work *tool* makes a lot of things that you can avoid if you use the C API

23:06 <jasong> Is 300 celsius and 540 Fahrenheit near each other?  I'm trying to figure out if my hypothetical Atom farm could burn the house down, those two numbers were given for the burning point of wood

23:06 <Nickuwo> ok

23:06 <PovAddict> such as the inherent and unavoidable problem that it reconnects to the DB for every workunit

23:06 <Nickuwo> hmm

23:06 <PovAddict> and that it will re-parse the workunit template every time

23:06 <Nickuwo> thats not efficient

23:06 * jasong will come back later

23:06 <Nickuwo> hehe

23:06 <PovAddict> because once it creates the workunit, the program quits, it can't keep any state

23:06 <Nickuwo> ah yes

23:06 <PovAddict> then bash runs it again

23:07 <PovAddict> and it has to connect to the DB, parse the template, etc

23:07 <Nickuwo> jasong: formula is something like 5/9x +32

23:07 <Nickuwo> makes sense

23:07 <jasong> thanks

23:07 <PovAddict> &math convert 540 F to C

23:07 <Romulus> PovAddict: 282.222222222

23:07 <Nickuwo> fancy

23:07 <PovAddict> there you go, 300C and 282C

23:08 <jasong> thanks pov

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