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01:20 <zombie67> Wow. I went back to 6.2 for my macs....the scheduling is SO much better
01:20 <Tank_Master> :)
01:20 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Win7 RC is up. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx
01:21 <Tank_Master> sweet
01:21 <Tank_Master> thx
01:22 <Tank_Master> just got my new mobo tonight to :D
01:22 <zombie67> cool
01:22 <zombie67> you ever sell that CPU?
01:22 <Tank_Master> which one?
01:22 <Romulus> Somebody said which one is giving you headaches, Tank_Master
01:23 <zombie67> the one i traded w/ you
01:23 <Tank_Master> oh, no,m thats the mobo I just got
01:23 <MTughan> Tank_Master: BTW, you may want to get a move on. I'm getting ~10KB/s down.
01:23 <Tank_Master> as soon as I get win7 on it and can varify it all works, im puting it up on crag's
01:24 <MTughan> This connection is capable of at least 500KB/s.
01:24 <MTughan> Ah, sh*t... Now I'm down to <2KB/s.
01:24 <zombie67> any advantage with w7 for BOINC? Any DISadvantage?
01:24 <MTughan> It has improved kernel times over Vista.
01:25 <Tank_Master> faster crunching than XP or vista
01:25 <Tank_Master> and much more stable than vista
01:25 <zombie67> MT: not answering the Q
01:25 <zombie67> TM: faster? proof?
01:25 <MTughan> Unless you screw around with it... My Win7 desktop has been BSOD'ing left, right, and center for the past 3 weeks or so.
01:25 <Tank_Master> I dont have screenshots, no
01:26 <MTughan> F***! Transfer error!
01:26 <zombie67> nancys
01:26 <Tank_Master> never seen it reboot on m
01:26 <zombie67> gimme the url, and I will D/L and host
01:26 <MTughan> Okay, restarted transfer, going faster now.
01:26 <MTughan> http://wb.dlservice.microsoft.com/dl/download/release/windows7/e/b/5/eb58e76e-17fa-409b-855f-11fbe84d1c93/7100.0.090421-1700_x64fre_client_en-us_retail_ultimate-grc1culxfrer_en_dvd.iso?lcid=1033&RURL=https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productkeys/win7-rc-64/enus/
01:27 <zombie67> I still have 3 Ramsey tasks that don't exist
01:27 <MTughan> That's the 64-bit ISO.
01:27 <zombie67> ok, d/l now
01:27 <MTughan> At least the one that I'm downloading.
01:27 <zombie67> started out fast, and slowing to a crawl
01:28 <MTughan> Yeah, just had the same thing when restarting... This could be real fun.
01:28 <Tank_Master> boo ya
01:28 <zombie67> about 300kb
01:28 <Tank_Master> go ie7pro!
01:28 <MTughan> Maybe they give preference to clients that just started, but there's so many people attempting to d/l at the same time.
01:28 <Tank_Master> d/ling at 2.5MB/s
01:28 <MTughan> They should really starting using Torrents.
01:28 <Tank_Master> est time remaining: 20 min
01:29 <zombie67> MSFT is anti-less-control
01:29 <zombie67> TM, gimme a URL
01:29 <MTughan> Tank_Master: If you get it down that fast, are you able to mirror it?
01:29 <Tank_Master> dont use their d/l manager
01:29 <zombie67> on my mac?
01:29 <zombie67> not likely
01:29 <zombie67> gimme a url
01:29 <MTughan> I'm not using their d/l manager.
01:30 <MTughan> Hmm, I should try DownThemAll on FF...
01:30 <Tank_Master> http://wb.dlservice.microsoft.com/dl/download/release/windows7/e/b/5/eb58e76e-17fa-409b-855f-11fbe84d1c93/7100.0.090421-1700_x64fre_client_en-us_retail_ultimate-grc1culxfrer_en_dvd.iso?lcid=1033&RURL=https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productkeys/win7-rc-64/enus/
01:30 <Tank_Master> same one MT gave
01:31 <zombie67> the second is much faster'
01:31 <zombie67> er
01:31 <zombie67> was
01:31 <zombie67> slowing down
01:31 <MTughan> Restarting FF for DownThemAll...
01:31 <Tank_Master> hasnt slowed for me
01:32 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Where are you geographically?
01:32 <zombie67> what s DTA?
01:32 <Tank_Master> but im using IE7pro's mini d/ler which uses 10 connections
01:32 <Tank_Master> portland, OR
01:32 <Tank_Master> so close to redmond
01:32 <MTughan> Ah. 10 connections, and close to Redmond.
01:32 <Tank_Master> about a 3h drive
01:32 <Tank_Master> and FIOS
01:32 <MTughan> zombie67: A download accelerator that opens multiple connections to a server for a download.
01:33 <zombie67> oh
01:36 <MTughan> Seriously, 2GB of RAM is not enough for OS X... Too damn slow.
01:37 <zombie67> I have 8gb
01:37 <MTughan> And let me guess: a desktop?
01:37 <MTughan> For me to go to 8GB of RAM would cost me close to a grand.
01:37 <zombie67> Mac Pro 8-way
01:37 <zombie67> first gen
01:38 <zombie67> dual 5365
01:38 <MTughan> I'm looking at 4GB, about the most I can get at a decent price point.
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01:38 <MTughan> ~$100 for 4GB, ~1000 for 8GB. You decide. :P
01:38 <zombie67> ?? Mem is DIRT cheap
01:38 <MTughan> And I only have two RAM slots.
01:38 <Tank_Master> what kind of ram do you need?
01:38 <Tank_Master> ahhh
01:38 <MTughan> DDR3-1066.
01:38 <zombie67> yeah?
01:38 <Romulus> hmm... yeah is just there, zombie67
01:39 <Tank_Master> that dont help
01:39 <Tank_Master> still, I can get 2x2GB for under $50
01:39 <zombie67> DDR3??
01:39 <Romulus> It has been said that DDR3 is just starting to go 50nm, zombie67
01:39 <MTughan> Aluminum MacBook.
01:39 <MTughan> Apple's moved all to DDR3 now, most manufacturers have.
01:39 <MTughan> My Lenovo is DDR3-1066.
01:40 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Desktop RAM or laptop RAM?
01:40 <zombie67> which CPU?
01:40 <MTughan> SODIMMs are always more expensive.
01:40 <MTughan> P7350 IIRC.
01:40 <zombie67> oh!
01:40 <zombie67> SODIMM?
01:41 <zombie67> careful, some macs can take more, but lose dual channel
01:41 <Tank_Master> ahh
01:41 <Tank_Master> true
01:41 <Tank_Master> sodimm is a PITA
01:41 <zombie67> so, any on board RAM?
01:41 <MTughan> Apparently, (according to Mactracker) this laptop can take up to 6GB, but I'd stick with 4GB for dual-channel.
01:41 <zombie67> right
01:41 <MTughan> On board RAM? Never heard of it.
01:42 <zombie67> okay, so you need dual 2gb SODIMMs?
01:42 <MTughan> Yes.
01:42 <zombie67> I think I have a spare set
01:42 <Romulus> Title: Apple - MacBook - Technical Specifications - All the specs for the 13-inch MacBook notebook (at www.apple.com)
01:42 <zombie67> but they are DDR2
01:42 <MTughan> The 2GHz processor. I would've gone for the 2.4GHz, but Apple didn't give me a choice.
01:43 <zombie67> are you sure they have to be DDR3?
01:43 <MTughan> Yes.
01:43 <zombie67> well crap
01:44 <zombie67> you missed free RAM by *this* much
01:44 <Tank_Master> oh crap
01:44 <MTughan> I got high-quality DDR2 Mushkin RAM (DDR2-1066, 5-5-5-15 timings) for about $100 per 4GB.
01:44 <Tank_Master> lost the connection to MS...
01:44 <MTughan> DTA is downloading faster, but still nowhere near capacity.
01:44 <Tank_Master> only had 5 min to go to...
01:44 <MTughan> Almost got 50MB here.
01:45 <zombie67> wait!
01:45 <zombie67> $60 for dual 2gb SODIMM DDR3
01:46 <MTughan> ¤cy convert 60 USD to CAD
01:47 <Romulus> MTughan: 60.00 usd = 70.50 cad
01:47 <MTughan> Not bad.
01:47 <MTughan> 50 cents (:P) cheaper.
01:47 <zombie67> you said $1000??
01:47 <MTughan> ¤cy convert 1000 CAD to USD
01:47 <Romulus> MTughan: 1000.00 cad = 851.00 usd
01:48 <zombie67> BTW, I'm getting about 1.5mb sustained d/l
01:48 <MTughan> I'm starting to max out now.
01:48 <MTughan> 3h estimated left.
01:49 <MTughan> It's 2AM now anyway, so if it finishes before I wake up tomorrow, that's fine with me.
01:49 <zombie67> gn
01:49 <MTughan> I didn't say I was going to bed yet.
01:49 <zombie67> heh
01:49 <zombie67> did we loose tank?
01:50 <MTughan> Maybe he's doing the 3 hour drive to throttle the MS webmaster.
01:50 <zombie67> not likelyu
01:50 <zombie67> he's a homebody
01:50 <Tank_Master> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/default.aspx <- dont forget to pick that up when its avalible
01:51 <Tank_Master> (if you have the space and memory for it :P)
01:51 <MTughan> Why?
01:51 <MTughan> XP mode?
01:51 <Tank_Master> itll allow you to run programs in navive XP
01:52 <Tank_Master> its a suped up virtusal PC thats highly intergrated into the win7 OS
01:52 <zombie67> um, what for?
01:53 <zombie67> they are all the same file syste
01:53 <zombie67> m
01:53 <Tank_Master> legacy apps
01:53 <zombie67> same CPU
01:53 <MTughan> What legacy apps though?
01:53 <Tank_Master> you could also install boinc into that and run the non CPU intensive stuff
01:53 <MTughan> I read an article that said XP mode was more idiotic than useful.
01:53 <zombie67> I understand the need for OSX when the change from PPC to intel
01:53 <Tank_Master> so you can basicly double the number of freehall WUs while not taking up as much resources as a normal virtual OS
01:54 <zombie67> I am confused
01:54 <MTughan> Made the point that because devices can't be shared between the host and guest OS, which is a reason why you can't run games in a VM.
01:54 <zombie67> what is being emulated?
01:54 <Tank_Master> XP mode is only really usefull for a small select buisness that are to lazy to port thir program over to vista, should they have been dumb enough to create a program that wasnt compatible for both to begin with
01:55 <Tank_Master> MT - this is much better
01:55 <MTughan> Which is why it's only coming with three versions?
01:56 <zombie67> so there is no reason for the emulation mode?
01:56 <Tank_Master> probably not for what we do
01:56 <MTughan> Actually... How would it do with CPU usage, and does it support multi-threading?
01:57 <Tank_Master> I believe it does support multi threading
01:57 <MTughan> Because that could simplify ATI crunching until it's integrated into BOINC.
01:57 <MTughan> CPU apps in the VM, GPU in the host.
01:58 <MTughan> I was going to do it through VirtualBox, but it only supported single-threading in the guest.
01:58 <zombie67> ? XP already supports multi threadding
01:58 <MTughan> Yes, but to actually thread, the VM also has to emulate multiple cores/CPUs.
01:59 <Tank_Master> z - not all virtual programs allow the guest OS access to more than one thread
01:59 <Tank_Master> woot, d/l compleate
01:59 <MTughan> I hate you... :P
02:00 <zombie67> I mean, if XP already supports multithreading, how is w7 a step up?
02:00 <Tank_Master> win7 uses a different techneak for keeping track of therads
02:01 <Tank_Master> its much more effecent
02:01 <MTughan> Not sure you're understanding how XP mode works...
02:01 <MTughan> It's just a VM bundled with Win7 and comes with XP preinstalled.
02:01 <zombie67> BOINC is not multithreaded.
02:01 <Tank_Master> XP really is old and slow when it comes to running multible tasks at once
02:02 <zombie67> again: how does any of this help speed up BOINC
02:02 <Tank_Master> MT - win7 allows you to boot off .vhd files to
02:02 <zombie67> ?
02:02 <zombie67> TM: too
02:02 <Tank_Master> you run multible tasks in BOINC...
02:02 <MTughan> XP mode doesn't. Win7 does by reducing the amount of CPU that the kernel needs.
02:02 * synapt multitasks in XP fine...
02:02 <Tank_Master> they exicure faster
02:03 <MTughan> Among other services.
02:03 <zombie67> TM: multiple single thread tasks
02:03 <zombie67> not
02:03 <Tank_Master> the CPU spends less time waiting for the next instruction in win7 as well
02:03 <zombie67> multi-thread tasks
02:03 <Tank_Master> its the same thiong as far as the OS is conserned
02:04 <zombie67> no no no
02:04 <Tank_Master> running one task with 4 threads or 4 tasks with 1 thread each is still 4 concrrent threads
02:04 <zombie67> NOT wit BOINC
02:04 <zombie67> with
02:04 <MTughan> Because BOINC doesn't understand threads. We're not talking BOINC. We're talking the OS.
02:04 <zombie67> BOINC is too Stooooopid
02:05 <zombie67> *I* am talking about BOINC and w7
02:05 <Tank_Master> so your saying you dont run boinc with multible tasks?
02:05 <zombie67> and I am NOT seeing any advantage for w7
02:05 <Tank_Master> it crunches faster
02:05 <zombie67> HOW?
02:05 <Romulus> It has been said that HOW is breakfast, zombie67
02:05 <MTughan> Win7 multitasks better. BOINC doesn't see the difference.
02:05 <Tank_Master> a MW WU takes about 45 seconds less on win7 than XP
02:06 <zombie67> exactly, no advantage for crunching
02:06 <Tank_Master> there is an advantage
02:06 <MTughan> I meant the CC doesn't care. You do see a difference in the amount of crunching done.
02:06 <zombie67> prove it
02:07 <zombie67> if BOINC does not understand MT, and all you get is a single task/thread, where is the dvantage?
02:07 <MTughan> Because BOINC just spawns tasks and lets them go. Win7 handles the spawned tasks more efficiently than XP did.
02:08 <zombie67> sorry, each thread has only the same capacity
02:08 <Tank_Master> huh?
02:08 <MTughan> Correct. But the OS still has to schedule each thread on the CPU.
02:09 <zombie67> are you saying that there was SLACK in the thread scheduling?
02:09 <MTughan> Yes, some inefficiencies in XP.
02:09 <Tank_Master> wim7 is more effecent at handeling resources
02:09 <zombie67> I now hate windows even more
02:09 <zombie67> thanks for that
02:09 <Tank_Master> the OS has some determonation on what order calls are made
02:10 <Tank_Master> win7 is more inteligen on the order of those calls
02:10 <Tank_Master> all OSs are ineffecent to some degree
02:11 <zombie67> how is it that the oldest OS in use (unix (osx)) is so much better at this stuff?
02:11 <Tank_Master> besides, XP is what, 10 years old almost? wouldnt you expect that improvements on the scedualing have been made?
02:11 <Tank_Master> depends on how you define "better"
02:11 <zombie67> in every way
02:12 <Tank_Master> not in user friendlyness
02:12 <zombie67> OSX rules UF
02:12 <MTughan> I think he meant in multi-threading.
02:12 <zombie67> TRVTH
02:12 <MTughan> It dominates in security because Unix/Linux was built like that from the beginning. Windows had it tacked on in XP.
02:13 <zombie67> it had it tacked on to DOS
02:13 <Tank_Master> yeah, win7 for the firt attampt in intergrating security in a serious manor
02:13 <Tank_Master> win7 it probably the first seucessful windows OS to have security in mind from the getgo while they made it
02:14 <zombie67> second
02:14 <Tank_Master> err I ment vista 2 lines ago
02:14 <MTughan> Yeah, I'd agree that Vista had it.
02:14 <MTughan> Or maybe Vista SP1.
02:14 <zombie67> oh
02:14 <zombie67> sorry, you said within win
02:15 <zombie67> MSFT was in denial of the internet until XP
02:15 <MTughan> XP SP2 that is.
02:15 <zombie67> so what need for security?
02:15 <MTughan> Windows Firewall came with SP2.
02:16 <zombie67> they still tried to sell stuff via shelf-ware
02:16 <zombie67> encarta
02:16 <zombie67> was that msft?
02:16 <Tank_Master> XP always had the firewall
02:16 <Tank_Master> it was just turned on bedefualt oin SP2
02:17 <Tank_Master> MS encarta is now dead
02:17 <Tank_Master> they recently disbanded the group
02:17 <MTughan> Oh, my bad.
02:17 <zombie67> yeah, but the mentality behind encarta...just the same ah she har dooks
02:18 <zombie67> hickupps
02:18 <Tank_Master> and SP2 also allowed for 2 way protection
02:18 <Tank_Master> instead of just incoming packets
02:19 <zombie67> the only way for windows to be secure is to get rid of the...what's it called? that single file that holds everything?
02:19 <efc> registry
02:19 <zombie67> DING
02:20 <Tank_Master> o0 what does that have to do with security?
02:20 <zombie67> need to spread it all out with permissions and owners
02:20 <Tank_Master> best thing to do is to get rid of the idiots who think they know how to use a computer :P
02:20 <zombie67> at the file level
02:21 <Tank_Master> huh?
02:21 <zombie67> UNIX
02:21 <Tank_Master> you can set permissionf at the file level
02:21 <zombie67> leran it love it
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02:21 <zombie67> crap, gotta hit the sack
02:22 <Tank_Master> unix is to.. oh how do I put it... behind the times? antiquated?
02:22 <MTughan> gn zombie
02:22 <Tank_Master> ok, gn Z
02:22 <MTughan> How so? It's security model has held up far better than Windows' has.
02:22 <zombie67> TM: you misspelled FAST and SECURE
02:22 <zombie67> gn?
02:22 <zombie67> gn!
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02:23 <Tank_Master> so, you think he got what we weere talking about in regard to multi tasking?
02:23 <Tank_Master> :D
02:25 <MTughan> Shoot, my download restarted because FF crashed...
02:25 <MTughan> Stupid 64-bit Java bug.
02:25 <Tank_Master> ouch
02:25 <MTughan> Are you able to mirror it for me?
02:25 <Tank_Master> I dont have my ftm set up
02:26 <Tank_Master> ftp*
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02:26 <MTughan> zombie67: Do you have the ISO downloaded?
02:26 <zombie67> ding! Got the DL complete
02:26 <Tank_Master> wb z
02:26 <MTughan> Heh, nice question to ask...
02:26 <Tank_Master> nice
02:27 <zombie67> so, what are the limitations?
02:27 <MTughan> So are you able to mirror it then. TM says he doesn't have his FTP server up.
02:27 <zombie67> expiration date?
02:27 <MTughan> Limitations of Win7?
02:27 <MTughan> Oh... June 1, 2010 IIRC.
02:27 <Tank_Master> win7 when you activate it will expire june 2010
02:27 <MTughan> Well after Win7 is supposed to be officially out.
02:27 <Tank_Master> yeah
02:27 <zombie67> okay, I can upload it for DL, but it will take like a day
02:27 <MTughan> October 23 being the closest approximation we have.
02:28 <Tank_Master> and hacked ::P
02:28 <MTughan> A day to upload it?
02:28 <zombie67> u/l is slower
02:28 <MTughan> I'll be done in about an hour and a half, so don't bother.
02:28 <zombie67> well, not a day, but several hiours
02:28 <zombie67> hours
02:28 <zombie67> ok
02:29 <Tank_Master> when do you need that marble back by on theta?
02:29 <zombie67> no rush
02:29 <zombie67> whenever
02:29 <zombie67> or never
02:29 <zombie67> I am not short on anythig
02:29 <Tank_Master> ok, cus im working on upgrading my ports now
02:29 <Tank_Master> lvl 7 isnt high
02:30 <MTughan> Shouldn't you guys be discussing this on the games channel?
02:30 <zombie67> FO!
02:30 <zombie67> ;)
02:30 <Tank_Master> pft
02:30 <zombie67> so no need to host the w7?
02:30 <Tank_Master> like anyone else here is talking
02:30 <MTughan> I don't think so.
02:31 <zombie67> ok
02:31 <zombie67> lemm know if you need me to
02:31 <zombie67> lemme
02:31 <zombie67> gn...this time for sure!
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03:26 <Tank_Master> looks like the april showers have arrived
03:29 <CoderForLife> 'bout time
03:29 <Tank_Master> no kidding
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08:38 <eagles0513875> hey guys
08:38 <eagles0513875> is seti@home the only project that runs on cuda
08:51 <desti_T2> gpugrid
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09:02 <hawmps> milkyway
09:14 <eagles0513875> ok will have to sign up for those im already a member of a bunch of projects and i was wondering which others i could sign up for to take advantage of my cuda gpu
09:21 <eagles0513875> will all boin projects eventually use cuda code
09:22 <eagles0513875> *boinc
09:24 <hawmps> unlikely, as cuda is not open source
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11:34 <Tank_Master> does DD@H have resume capibility?
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11:50 <Tank_Master> heh
11:51 <Tank_Master> got junk mail titaled "hey dunny, can you pass the dummy test?"
11:51 <Tank_Master> reported it as phishing scam... guess I passed that test :P
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11:51 <aaa801> hi
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11:51 <Tank_Master> ih
11:52 <Tank_Master> mw!
11:52 <aaa801> anyone know why im getting set DISPLAY
11:52 <mweltin> hey Tank_Master
11:52 <aaa801> when trying to run boinc manageR?
11:52 <Tank_Master> what OS and what version of BOINC?
11:52 <aaa801> opensuse 11.1
11:53 <aaa801> and im guessing the latest one for linux
11:53 <Tank_Master> MTughan
11:53 <aaa801> g2g
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11:53 <Tank_Master> uhh.. ok...
11:56 <mweltin> I just ran it and found I'm missing all kinds of images, but no set DISPLAY
11:56 <mweltin> have you tried to see what it's set to now?
11:57 <Tank_Master> ?
11:57 <Tank_Master> aaa left already
11:57 <mweltin> ahah
11:58 <mweltin> oh well
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12:00 <hawmps> sounds like he tried to run boincmgr from a console screen (no X)
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12:02 <PovAddict> yup
12:02 <mweltin> morn'in Pov
12:38 <Tank_Master> never did get why bluray added support for java bloatware
12:39 <PovAddict> content makers can make custom Java code for their DRM
12:41 <Tank_Master> ahh yes, cus it would be so terrible fomr someone to make coppies, hand it out to 50 million people who othereise would not have seen it and have about 10% say "hey thats great, ill buy my own coppy"
12:42 <Tank_Master> :D
12:54 <Tank_Master> ill brb
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13:45 <MTughan> Tank_Master: What did you flash me about earlier?
13:46 <Tank_Master> I didnt flash you
13:47 <Tank_Master> I just highlited you :D
13:47 <Tank_Master> someone was having a lunix question
13:47 <Tank_Master> but they left almost rt after they asked their question
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14:00 <yoyo[RKN]> oh, Tank_Master joined, is it that late?
14:01 <PovAddict> time
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14:43 <PovAddict> "Economists Warn Anti-Bush Merchandise Market Close To Collapse"
14:44 <MTughan> lol
14:44 <MTughan> The Onion?
14:44 <PovAddict> yup
15:00 <MTughan> Gotta love internal transfer interfaces... Copying data from my Win7 partition to another drive for temporary safekeeping. Getting about 32MB/s transfer speeds.
15:01 <PovAddict> I got 50MB/s copying to my new TB-sized disk :)
15:01 <PovAddict> at most, that is
15:01 <PovAddict> usually went lower, probably fragmentation
15:01 <MTughan> I'm getting 32MB/s sustained.
15:02 <MTughan> Also, these drives are only capable of SATA 1, and probably don't have NCQ or TCQ.
15:03 <MTughan> Still, better than the 500KB/s down I can get over the Internet.
15:03 <hawmps> about the same speed at which a burrito causes farts...
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15:51 <Tank_Master> &drugdiscovery
15:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Are you daft?
15:51 <Tank_Master> &discoverdrugs
15:51 <PovAddict> &whatis drugdiscovery
15:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Are you daft?
15:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: "drugdiscovery" could be (#1) New BOINC project, models the behavor of lead compounds that could be developed into new medicines., or (#2) http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/
15:51 <Tank_Master> oh, right
15:52 <Tank_Master> forget the whatis
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15:52 <PovAddict> if you want more stuff, it's easy to add, &learn <something> as <long description or URL or whatever>
15:53 <Ageless93> the link is wrong
15:53 <PovAddict> lies
15:53 <Tank_Master> link works fine
15:53 <Romulus> Title: About | drugdiscoveryathome.com - distributed computing for in silico drug discovery in the fields of aging, cancer and stem cells (at drugdiscoveryathome.com)
15:53 <Ageless93> it's got a new front page, all Drupal
15:53 <PovAddict> what do us BOINCers carea bout?
15:54 <Ageless93> shrug
15:55 <Romulus> Title: About | drugdiscoveryathome.com - distributed computing for in silico drug discovery in the fields of aging, cancer and stem cells (at drugdiscoveryathome.com)
15:55 <PovAddict> &factoids change drugdiscovery 2 s/boinc\.//
15:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
15:55 <PovAddict> there
15:55 <Ageless93> as long as you know what you did. ;)
15:55 <PovAddict> &whatis drugdiscovery 2
15:55 <Ageless93> p.s: the user login on the front page may not work yet.
15:56 <PovAddict> I replaced "boinc." with ""
15:56 <Ageless93> that whole thing of changing links at the front page...
15:56 <Ageless93> although as I understand the forums stay at boinc.etc
15:57 <Ageless93> we had a much weirder thing on H2 today, where none of our make work scripts could log in.
15:57 <Ageless93> but that's nothing for this channel. :P
16:03 <xcamel> 'lo
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16:06 <Ageless93> Dom DeLuise has died
16:07 <Tank_Master> got my overclocked qx6700 on DD@H now :D
16:07 <MTughan> How overclocked?
16:07 <Tank_Master> 3.2 GHz
16:07 <Tank_Master> default voltage
16:07 <MTughan> Higher multiplier?
16:08 <Tank_Master> yeah
16:08 <MTughan> I'm at 3.26GHz on my Q6600, but with the default multiplier, I had to push the FSB up, and the voltage at one point.
16:08 <Tank_Master> I may up the fsb later
16:09 <Tank_Master> but I wanna sell this thing off n get my i7 build compleated
16:10 <Tank_Master> man this PS sure puts out a lot of heat
16:11 <MTughan> Which?
16:11 <Romulus> Somebody said Which is the second time or integrated straight into iPhoto '09, but that's nice, MTughan
16:11 <Tank_Master> thermal take pure power 500w
16:13 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
16:13 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 50Â°F / 10Â°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 9:50 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:53 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 ° F.; Rain. High:59 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:69 ° F.; Clear. Low:44 ° F.;
16:13 <yoyo[RKN]> brr
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16:27 <jasong> Did a holiday or something happen yesterday(Monday) in the UK? There's a gap in some reporting I'm seeing on my favorite site
16:27 <Ageless93> bank holiday
16:27 <jasong> ahhh, thanks
16:28 <Ageless93> I think to commemorate the end of WWII
16:28 <Ageless93> but could be mistaken. we at least had remember the dead yesterday and freedom day today (Netherlands)
16:29 <jasong> I'll ask my dad, it wouldn't surprise me to find out yesterday was a holiday and I just didn't know
16:30 <Ageless93> ve day is on the 8th
16:30 <FreeLarry58> dang guess it was the mb that was going bad - new mb and f10 is upgrading f8 on the hd's now without locking up
16:31 <Tank_Master> I just had 2 mobos go out on me recently
16:31 <Ageless93> it was Early May bank holiday
16:32 <FreeLarry58> same a gigabyte N650sli and a msi p35 neo
16:33 <FreeLarry58> but noted the new p5q doesn't support the old 5.25 in floppy at all anymore
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16:34 <FreeLarry58> guess i need to go backinto the i7 machine and figure out how to hook up sound for the tv monitor
16:35 <jasong> Holy crap, it looks like the banks will be closed for 4 straight days in the UK starting Christmas day, 2010
16:36 <jasong> oops, this year too
16:36 <jasong> nope, I'm wrong 3 days
16:37 <Ageless93> banks I wouldn't be worried about. More like stores.
16:37 <jasong> I hate how they can't seem to remember how make spreadsheet headings stick when they need to stick. i was learning how to do that way back in 88
16:37 <Ageless93> why need a bank holiday with christmas when the whole thing falls in a weekend? Pfff British. ;)
16:38 <jasong> true
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16:52 <Tank_Master> all projects are outa work now so im gonna go and install the win7 RC on this comp
16:52 <Tank_Master> ill bb in a bit
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16:57 <dp> how much faster are the cuda clients compared to "standard" CPUs?
17:01 <Tank_Master> loads
17:01 <Tank_Master> depends on the app though
17:01 <Tank_Master> and the GPU
17:01 <Tank_Master> but a high end GPU can easly crunch about 10x a high end CPU
17:01 <dp> are there more projects that support cuda than what's listed on the boinc download page?
17:02 <MTughan> And ATI clients can be even faster.
17:02 <Tank_Master> only SETI, SETI beta and gpu grid support cuda
17:02 <dp> that's what I thought
17:02 <dp> I was really hoping for CPDN ;)
17:02 <MTughan> 30 seconds/WU compared to 5 minutes/WU on MW.
17:02 <dp> are there stats for S@H broken down by CPU?
17:03 <MTughan> Actually, that's 10x... Nvm.
17:03 <Tank_Master> yeah, ATI can do some things faster than the nvidia cuda
17:03 <MTughan> Depending on the cards, Nvidia and ATI are similar in single-precision float calculations, but ATI cards are way ahead in double-precision.
17:04 <MTughan> At least in theoretical limits, that is. The app still has to make use of that power.
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17:04 <dp> [17:02] dp| are there stats for S@H broken down by CPU?
17:04 <MTughan> CPU or GPU?
17:04 <dp> yes
17:04 <dp> ;)
17:05 <Tank_Master> I thought nvidia didnt support double...
17:05 <Tank_Master> which is why they can be faster for some things
17:05 <MTughan> The GT200 cards support double.
17:05 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats | SETI@Home - Host CPU breakdown (at boincstats.com)
17:06 <MTughan> I think that's all hosts though, not active hosts.
17:06 <dp> GPUs wouldn't be listed on there though, would they?
17:07 <MTughan> No.
17:07 <dp> is there a page for those?
17:07 <MTughan> I'm checking SETI@Home. They might have something.
17:08 <MTughan> Nope, nothing from SETI@Home. You'd have to use a stats site that knows about GPUs, and I don't know of one that does that off the top of my head.
17:09 <MTughan> I only really know about BOINCStats though, so look around.
17:09 <Romulus> Title: Statistics and leaderboards (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
17:09 <dp> I just wonder if they even publish GPU data in the XML
17:09 <jasong> If I'm an idiot buying hardware, but I'm a fast learner who's specifically buying for Distributed Computing, what are some good sites to bookmark for advice, shopping and shopping advice ;)
17:09 <Tank_Master> newegg
17:10 <jasong> thanks
17:10 <Tank_Master> thats where I get most of my parts from online
17:10 <Tank_Master> tomshardware, hothardware, anandtech, xbitlabs are a few review sites
17:12 <Ageless93> Seti can't do separate stats for CPU and GPU as the tasks that run on GPU (Seti Enhanced Multibeam) also run on the CPU (just depends on what application it's appointed to when you ask for work).
17:13 <Ageless93> these tasks are validated against other GPUs and CPUs alike. so no separate stats.
17:13 <dp> Ageless93: why is that?
17:13 <Ageless93> only one feeder.
17:13 <Ageless93> which gives out and Seti Enhanced MB GPU, CPU and AP.
17:13 <dp> what about gpugrid, or whatever?
17:14 <Ageless93> they only have GPU apps
17:14 <Tank_Master> yeah, gpugris has no cpu app
17:14 <dp> but are their "host" stats by GPU then?
17:15 <Ageless93> probably, but still highly tainted. BOINC still can't count GPU time, so even on an all singing and dancing GPU project, their tasks are counted in CPU time.
17:16 <dp> ugh
17:16 <dp> so there's no way to know how well a GPU will perform until you put it in the box
17:16 <Tank_Master> ill bbl
17:16 <Ageless93> which for the CPU means it only transfers data from disk to video memory and back. Those seconds are counted. Doesn't matter that the tasks actually run for hours on the GPU. Those seconds are not counted.
17:16 <MTughan> Well, you can ask around here. :P
17:17 <dp> MTughan: ok. out of curiosity, I want to know about Tesla based GPUs
17:17 <MTughan> Well, I said you can ask around. I don't have any working CUDA combinations.
17:17 <dp> ;)
17:17 <Ageless93> The new BOINC 6.6.20 clients show Elapsed time now in BOINC Manager. This so you can "see" how long a task takes. But it's only the CPU time that's still sent back to the projects... kinda useless.
17:18 <dp> I figure someone has to have a Tesla based GPU
17:18 <MTughan> The only machine I have with a Nvidia card runs OS X, which doesn't support CUDA yet.
17:18 <Ageless93> Tesla isn't a videocard. it's only a co-processor. You'd still need a videocard.
17:18 <MTughan> Tank_Master runs a lot of CUDA.
17:18 <dp> Ageless93: I understand that. but you'd be offloading extra on to it
17:18 <dp> and you wouldn't need a CUDA video card as primary
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17:19 <dp> right?
17:19 <Ageless93> if that works, yes.
17:19 <Ageless93> problem is that BOINC doesn't always recognize the secondary card.
17:19 <Ageless93> and if it does, the latest clients tend to disable the 'slowest GPU', doesn't matter what speed it is.
17:20 <Ageless93> and no, I don't run CUDA. Got an ATI card. for games
17:20 <dp> meh. I guess I'll stick with the card I'm planning on getting
17:20 <MTughan> And seems to have a tendency of disabling a similar GPU.
17:20 <MTughan> Eg, someone with two GTX295s has 4 CUDA devices, and BOINC disabled the third, despite it having the same specs as the other three.
17:21 <dp> and if you have two in the same machine?
17:21 <Ageless93> just wait for CUDA to mature. try it in a year or so.
17:21 <MTughan> That's what I mean, two GTX 295s in the same machine.
17:21 <dp> I'd like to get the benefit now ;)
17:21 <dp> MTughan: interesting
17:21 <dp> I'll get the cheapest CUDA card I can
17:21 <dp> and go from there
17:21 <Ageless93> it's only ben since December that CUDA has been available and everyone expects that all bugs had been stomped out in 2 weeks
17:22 <MTughan> Ageless93: Perhaps, but CUDA also broke CPU scheduling.
17:22 <Ageless93> that's what you get when you add new technology in a working client
17:22 <Ageless93> kinda like internet explorer
17:23 <Ageless93> or just Windows... Vista anyone?
17:23 <Ageless93> or better: Millennium?
17:23 <MTughan> Vista was a big rewrite, not an add on.
17:23 <MTughan> Things were bound to break.
17:23 <Ageless93> although I managed to run WinME without so much as a reboot for 18 months in a row.
17:23 <MTughan> It also brought in badly needed security updates.
17:23 <dp> that's not something I'd brag about
17:24 <Ageless93> just rip out the Movie Maker and System restore options in WinME and it's as solid as Win98SE
17:24 <MTughan> My OS X machine has been up for 44 days now.
17:25 <MTughan> (this machine, BTW)
17:25 <Ageless93> tomorrow you'll get a brown out ;)
17:25 <MTughan> It's a laptop. ;)
17:25 <Ageless93> the battery will fail catastrophically
17:26 <MTughan> New machine essentially.
17:26 <MTughan> Two months old.
17:26 <Ageless93> which says what?
17:26 <MTughan> It's less likely to experience battery failure than an older machine.
17:26 <dp> 17:26:41 up 130 days, 54 min, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.26, 0.48
17:26 <Ageless93> that there's nothing on it that can't have a manufacturing flaw? :P
17:27 <dp> currently ranked 6th in this box's list of uptimes
17:28 <dp> ahh, there's the number I like seeing
17:28 <dp> up 1676 days, 18:39:4 | since Tue Sep 28 01:53:42 2004
17:28 <MTughan> 17:28 up 43 days, 22:18, 7 users, load averages: 2.89 2.64 2.55
17:28 <dp> server is located in Tampa, FL
17:28 <dp> been through at least 2 hurricanes
17:29 <Romulus> Title: Rumor: Apple could make a bid for EA - The Tech Report (at techreport.com)
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17:41 <xcamel> blah..
17:41 <Ageless93> bleh
17:42 <xcamel> same
17:42 <Ageless93> just spelled different
17:44 <xcamel> bbl..
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18:12 <xcamel> back
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18:30 <FreeLarry58> kay - one machine finishing up the upgrade to f10 and finally figured out had to use aftermarket software to make data dvd's for coping off excess files --- goes much faster at 4.7 gig vice 702 Meg
18:33 <FreeLarry58> 1 dvd equals 6 cd's
18:34 * CoderForLife grumbles
18:34 <PovAddict> a DVD rotates at the same speed as a CD
18:35 <PovAddict> but it has so much higher bit density that you can read and write it at a faster data rate
18:35 <PovAddict> I'd say a CD takes as much time to burn as a DVD
18:35 <PovAddict> that is, burning 700MB to a CD takes as long as burning 4.7GB on a DVD
18:39 * xcamel bitches about a junk msmouse.
18:39 * CoderForLife bitches about jury duty summonos
18:40 <CoderForLife> er summons
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18:43 <xcamel> lol
18:43 <xcamel> I beat that one every time...
18:43 <CoderForLife> jury duty?
18:43 <xcamel> my zip code is in one county, and I live in another...
18:44 <CoderForLife> that'll do it
18:44 <xcamel> always get a jd summons from the wrong county/jurisdiction...
18:44 <Tank_Master> :P
18:44 <xcamel> :-)
18:44 <CoderForLife> I was thinking I would qualify for the excuse "The interests of the public would be materially injured by your service".
18:45 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - The Matrix Runs on Windows (at www.youtube.com)
18:45 <CoderForLife> my #2 excuse is "You are a member of an Amish sect and wish to be excused"
18:46 <CoderForLife> I plan to sleep in an Amish-constructed cabin on 6/15 and 16 - does that make me an honorary member?
18:46 <xcamel> you handle the life insurance claims for all the states' judges?
18:48 <CoderForLife> NY is tough on out-of-state domiciled insurer's
18:49 <Romulus> Title: National Security (at www.nslac.com)
18:50 <xcamel> I meant in OH...
18:50 <CoderForLife> oh, you mean OH judges
18:50 <xcamel> indeed..
18:50 <CoderForLife> a few, I'm sure
18:51 <Romulus> Title: Country Inn featuring a Fine Dining Restaurant a Country Bed & Breakfast, and Woodland Log Cabins: Murphin Ridge Inn, West Union Ohio (at www.murphinridgeinn.com)
18:52 <PovAddict> heh
18:52 <PovAddict> Eric Korpela posted: "My [tax] rates may be lower than others because Angela and I make enough that we can afford not to pay so much in taxes. Yes, it makes exactly as much sense as it sounds."
18:54 <CoderForLife> this jury duty really messes up my schedule
18:54 <CoderForLife> if I did my original plans plus this, I'd be out of the office for 5 weeks straight
18:55 <Tank_Master> in other words they are so rich its cheeper to higher lawyers to hide the money for them
18:55 <CoderForLife> they might figure out that they don't need me after all
18:56 <PovAddict> heh, Facebook translation fail
18:56 <PovAddict> I stumbled upon a facebook page for a politician
18:56 <PovAddict> one of the items in the page description is "Fiesta"
18:57 <PovAddict> fiesta is the Spanish translation of "party", when meaning "a social gathering for celebration and recreation"
18:57 <xcamel> voidere(SP) is your friend..
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18:58 <PovAddict> I guess it was fiesta as in "an organization to gain political power", which would be "partido"
18:58 <PovAddict> I mean "party as in"*...
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18:59 <FreeLarry58> humm PovAddict maybe you want to check out the dual again - upgrade just finished and would like your thoughts
19:00 <FreeLarry58> except i don't know what the ip is yet
19:04 <FreeLarry58> lets try a restart -- should still be .107
19:05 <FreeLarry58> noticed new board the chipset allows full usage of 4 gig ram instead of 3.2 gig
19:06 <FreeLarry58> humm failing to start eth0 what did i do wrong
19:08 <Tank_Master> eth1 got jellious
19:09 <FreeLarry58> eth1 not active either
19:09 <FreeLarry58> neither allows me to activate?
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19:25 <Tank_Master> howdy jack
19:25 <MTughan> PovAddict: What version of Gobby were we using?
19:26 <PovAddict> $ gobby --version
19:26 <PovAddict> Unknown option --version
19:26 <MTughan> 0.4.x?
19:26 <PovAddict> sometimes I hate software
19:26 <PovAddict> there
19:26 <PovAddict> yes, 0.4.x
19:26 <MTughan> Just reinstalling everything after installing Win7 RC.
19:26 <PovAddict> 0.5 is better (for some definition of "better") but I'd have to build it from source
19:29 <PovAddict> &math calc 42/3000*100
19:29 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1.4
19:31 <PovAddict> I'm bad at math and worse at economics; if there is an X monthly interest rate, how much would it be per year? I know it's not as simple as x12
19:31 <PovAddict> (because interest applies to all money including the interest from previous months)
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19:36 <xcamel> look up the "rule of 72's" and you'll never fret about interest again...
19:36 <xcamel> basic compounding.
19:38 <PovAddict> if this month I got X, what's the yearly interest they're giving?
19:38 <PovAddict> I'm currently on plan B, searching on the bank website :P
19:38 <Tank_Master> Y
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19:41 <Tank_Master> so asking here wasnt plan B?
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19:41 <PovAddict> asking here is the lazy way, lazy way is always first thing to do
19:42 <Tank_Master> ah
19:42 <Tank_Master> though perhaps trying to solve it yourself was plan A
19:42 <PovAddict> like asking Romulus for simple math before thinking
19:42 <PovAddict> :D
19:42 <Tank_Master> that lasted 0.27 sec
19:42 <MTughan> Like how that equation is just 42/30?
19:43 <PovAddict> asking exactly for what I want is less error-prone
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19:43 <PovAddict> and i'm lazy to do 42/30 :D
19:47 <Tank_Master> which is the same as 10.5/6
19:47 <MTughan> I'd divide by three first. 14/10.
19:47 <Tank_Master> id devide by 4
19:48 <MTughan> 10.5/7.5?
19:48 <Tank_Master> ya
19:48 <MTughan> 7.5, not 6. 30/5 = 6.
19:49 <Tank_Master> so you were doing a different number
19:49 <Tank_Master> 6x5=30 though
19:49 <Tank_Master> (dont use tank math, its made up)
19:50 <PovAddict> MTughan: did you see this?
19:50 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> explicit is better than implicit
19:50 <PovAddict> <david`bgk> $ python -c "import this" | grep lazy
19:50 <PovAddict> <david`bgk> something is definitely missing here :)
19:50 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> lol
19:51 <MTughan> No lazy.
19:51 <MTughan> And yes, I saw it.
19:51 <MTughan> Remember I asked about antigravity?
19:51 <PovAddict> I just noticed, maybe "Although practicality beats purity." is what he wants :)
19:55 * CoderForLife picks up the towel and heaves it into the middle of the room
19:55 <CoderForLife> good night all
19:55 <Tank_Master> gn
19:55 <MTughan> We don't want your stinky towel...
19:55 <MTughan> Night.
19:56 <CoderForLife> you may need it
19:56 * CoderForLife evaporates
19:56 <xcamel> keep the towel, and don't panic.
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20:11 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: are you a pirate?
20:20 <xcamel> &wx 12074
20:20 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 48.8°F / 9.3°C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of showers this evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the morning... then partly (1 more message)
20:20 <xcamel> &more
20:20 <Romulus> xcamel: sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. Southwest winds around 5 mph in the morning...becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain in the evening... then rain after midnight. Not as cool with lows in the mid 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.;
20:21 <xcamel> good. we need the rain
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20:40 <FreeLarry58> okayy i'm out of ideas on how to get eth0 to initialize - network connections don't help so maybe need to edit some file
20:40 * FreeLarry58 needs a guru
20:43 <jasong> I was just watching American Idol, is Come Together a drug song?
20:43 <xcamel> mostly
20:44 <jasong> If he comes to Conway, I intend to ask him why a Christian who has a bunch of Christians behind him decided to sing a drug song as part of a national competition
20:45 <jasong> Might not make it to national television, but people might get to see him hem and haw on YouTube
20:48 <jasong> With much power comes much responsibility, and sometimes the best thing to do is to simply turn away from that power. You're either a Christian or your not, and this dude really needs to question his heart
20:48 * jasong will shut up now :)
21:07 <jasong> Can anyone think of a reason that a physical inspection and a bootup sequence will tell me I have 8Gig of memory, but my 64-bit Ubuntu kernel only sees 2.85Gig(base-10 for this second number, I think)
21:07 <jasong> Isn't 2.85Gig a limitation of some sort in a Windows environment?
21:08 <jasong> I know I'm in Linux, but maybe there's a bug and the Windows situation could shed some light on the problem
21:11 <jasong> 2837252k is the exact number given
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21:16 <xcamel> 'lo Tom
21:17 <Zeeno> hey Jay
21:17 <Zeeno> how goes it?
21:18 <xcamel> good enough, and you?
21:19 <Zeeno> about the same I guess
21:19 <Zeeno> i'm still here
21:20 <xcamel> still back in the southland?
21:20 <Zeeno> yep. will probably be here from now on it seems
21:20 <Zeeno> s'ok. it's home
21:21 <xcamel> cool
21:21 <xcamel> no bad storms lately?
21:21 <Zeeno> not in the past couple of days
21:21 <Zeeno> there is one right now about 20 miles south of me
21:22 <Zeeno> i lost my last desktop computer this past weekend
21:22 <Zeeno> got to get some stuff ordered and build another
21:23 <Zeeno> think i may go with a quad core next
21:23 <xcamel> c2q's are getting cheaper
21:23 <xcamel> nasty cell crossing the MS line directly to your west.
21:24 <Zeeno> yea, gonna me a little nasty through tomorrow
21:24 <Zeeno> really puting a cramp in my motorcycle riding
21:25 <xcamel> didn't even get mine out.
21:25 <xcamel> yet..
21:25 <Zeeno> just now getting decent up there for it
21:25 <Zeeno> sand and salt off the roads yet?
21:25 <xcamel> not really
21:26 <xcamel> got my audi, and the new jeep-toy
21:26 <Zeeno> wow
21:26 <Zeeno> been riding mine all winter
21:26 <Zeeno> if it is 34 or above
21:26 <Zeeno> :)
21:27 <Zeeno> what kind of jeep toy?
21:28 <xcamel> hold on..
21:30 <PovAddict> big thing
21:45 <Zeeno> nice Jay!
21:45 <MTughan> Didn't you buy that off eBay?
21:46 <PovAddict> lol
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21:50 <Tank_Master> i was guessing crag's
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21:57 <FreeLarry58> humm what do you need in file ifcfg-th0 to get it to start
21:57 <FreeLarry58> only line i see which may need editing is BOOTPROTO=none
21:58 <FreeLarry58> and Hardware addy which i'm not sure is correct
22:00 <FreeLarry58> only 12 digit number i see on mb is different -- maybe its a HWADDR number?
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22:16 <FreeLarry58> how do you restart network services in linux?
22:16 <Tank_Master> reboot the comp aught to do it
22:16 <FreeLarry58> trying not to reboot as running other programs
22:17 <PovAddict> ifdown eth0
22:17 <PovAddict> ifup eth0
22:18 <FreeLarry58> ahhh erro for wireless --- not wireless that i know of --- set encode 8b2a
22:19 <FreeLarry58> cannot find device eth0
22:19 <FreeLarry58> what ever am i doing wrong?
22:20 <PovAddict> um whoa
22:20 <Tank_Master> you sure that the drivers are there for the NICs?
22:20 <FreeLarry58> set failed on device eth0 ; no such device
22:21 <Tank_Master> gaa, DD@H is down again
22:22 <Tank_Master> this thing is about as reliable as an alpha project... (meening it is more stable then seti)
22:22 <Tank_Master> :P
22:32 <FreeLarry58> maybe not Tank_Master - not sure how to check for them either
22:33 <FreeLarry58> switch cable to eth1 same problem
22:34 <FreeLarry58> need around 2 more hrs to complete some tasks before i can reboot
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23:12 <MTughan> w00t, got 4 gold badges in WCG now.
23:12 <Tank_Master> congtaz
23:12 <MTughan> One silver, and 4 projects without badges.
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