IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-05-05

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01:20 <zombie67> Wow.  I went back to 6.2 for my macs....the scheduling is SO much better

01:20 <Tank_Master> :)

01:20 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Win7 RC is up. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx

01:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/crxlpq> (at www.microsoft.com)

01:21 <Tank_Master> sweet

01:21 <Tank_Master> thx

01:22 <Tank_Master> just got my new mobo tonight to :D

01:22 <zombie67> cool

01:22 <zombie67> you ever sell that CPU?

01:22 <Tank_Master> which one?

01:22 <Romulus> Somebody said which one is giving you headaches, Tank_Master

01:23 <zombie67> the one i traded w/ you

01:23 <Tank_Master> oh, no,m thats the mobo I just got

01:23 <MTughan> Tank_Master: BTW, you may want to get a move on. I'm getting ~10KB/s down.

01:23 <Tank_Master> as soon as I get win7 on it and can varify it all works, im puting it up on crag's

01:24 <MTughan> This connection is capable of at least 500KB/s.

01:24 <MTughan> Ah, sh*t... Now I'm down to <2KB/s.

01:24 <zombie67> any advantage with w7 for BOINC?  Any DISadvantage?

01:24 <MTughan> It has improved kernel times over Vista.

01:25 <Tank_Master> faster crunching than XP or vista

01:25 <Tank_Master> and much more stable than vista

01:25 <zombie67> MT:  not answering the Q

01:25 <zombie67> TM:  faster?  proof?

01:25 <MTughan> Unless you screw around with it... My Win7 desktop has been BSOD'ing left, right, and center for the past 3 weeks or so.

01:25 <Tank_Master> I dont have screenshots, no

01:26 <MTughan> F***! Transfer error!

01:26 <zombie67> nancys

01:26 <Tank_Master> never seen it reboot on m

01:26 <zombie67> gimme the url, and I will D/L and host

01:26 <MTughan> Okay, restarted transfer, going faster now.

01:26 <MTughan> http://wb.dlservice.microsoft.com/dl/download/release/windows7/e/b/5/eb58e76e-17fa-409b-855f-11fbe84d1c93/7100.0.090421-1700_x64fre_client_en-us_retail_ultimate-grc1culxfrer_en_dvd.iso?lcid=1033&RURL=https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productkeys/win7-rc-64/enus/

01:26 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cuet3n> (at wb.dlservice.microsoft.com)

01:27 <zombie67> I still have 3 Ramsey tasks that don't exist

01:27 <MTughan> That's the 64-bit ISO.

01:27 <zombie67> ok, d/l now

01:27 <MTughan> At least the one that I'm downloading.

01:27 <zombie67> started out fast, and slowing to a crawl

01:28 <MTughan> Yeah, just had the same thing when restarting... This could be real fun.

01:28 <Tank_Master> boo ya

01:28 <zombie67> about 300kb

01:28 <Tank_Master> go ie7pro!

01:28 <MTughan> Maybe they give preference to clients that just started, but there's so many people attempting to d/l at the same time.

01:28 <Tank_Master> d/ling at 2.5MB/s

01:28 <MTughan> They should really starting using Torrents.

01:28 <Tank_Master> est time remaining: 20 min

01:29 <zombie67> MSFT is anti-less-control

01:29 <zombie67> TM, gimme a URL

01:29 <MTughan> Tank_Master: If you get it down that fast, are you able to mirror it?

01:29 <Tank_Master> dont use their d/l manager

01:29 <zombie67> on my mac?

01:29 <zombie67> not likely

01:29 <zombie67> gimme a url

01:29 <MTughan> I'm not using their d/l manager.

01:30 <MTughan> Hmm, I should try DownThemAll on FF...

01:30 <Tank_Master> http://wb.dlservice.microsoft.com/dl/download/release/windows7/e/b/5/eb58e76e-17fa-409b-855f-11fbe84d1c93/7100.0.090421-1700_x64fre_client_en-us_retail_ultimate-grc1culxfrer_en_dvd.iso?lcid=1033&RURL=https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productkeys/win7-rc-64/enus/

01:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cuet3n> (at wb.dlservice.microsoft.com)

01:30 <Tank_Master> same one MT gave

01:31 <zombie67> the second is much faster'

01:31 <zombie67> er

01:31 <zombie67> was

01:31 <zombie67> slowing down

01:31 <MTughan> Restarting FF for DownThemAll...

01:31 <Tank_Master> hasnt slowed for me

01:32 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Where are you geographically?

01:32 <zombie67> what s DTA?

01:32 <Tank_Master> but im using IE7pro's mini d/ler which uses 10 connections

01:32 <Tank_Master> portland, OR

01:32 <Tank_Master> so close to redmond

01:32 <MTughan> Ah. 10 connections, and close to Redmond.

01:32 <Tank_Master> about a 3h drive

01:32 <Tank_Master> and FIOS

01:32 <MTughan> zombie67: A download accelerator that opens multiple connections to a server for a download.

01:33 <zombie67> oh

01:36 <MTughan> Seriously, 2GB of RAM is not enough for OS X... Too damn slow.

01:37 <zombie67> I have 8gb

01:37 <MTughan> And let me guess: a desktop?

01:37 <MTughan> For me to go to 8GB of RAM would cost me close to a grand.

01:37 <zombie67> Mac Pro  8-way

01:37 <zombie67> first gen

01:38 <zombie67> dual 5365

01:38 <MTughan> I'm looking at 4GB, about the most I can get at a decent price point.

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01:38 <MTughan> ~$100 for 4GB, ~1000 for 8GB. You decide. :P

01:38 <zombie67> ??  Mem is DIRT cheap

01:38 <MTughan> And I only have two RAM slots.

01:38 <Tank_Master> what kind of ram do you need?

01:38 <Tank_Master> ahhh

01:38 <MTughan> DDR3-1066.

01:38 <zombie67> yeah?

01:38 <Romulus> hmm... yeah is just there, zombie67

01:39 <Tank_Master> that dont help

01:39 <Tank_Master> still, I can get 2x2GB for under $50

01:39 <zombie67> DDR3??

01:39 <Romulus> It has been said that DDR3 is just starting to go 50nm, zombie67

01:39 <MTughan> Aluminum MacBook.

01:39 <MTughan> Apple's moved all to DDR3 now, most manufacturers have.

01:39 <MTughan> My Lenovo is DDR3-1066.

01:40 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Desktop RAM or laptop RAM?

01:40 <zombie67> which CPU?

01:40 <MTughan> SODIMMs are always more expensive.

01:40 <MTughan> P7350 IIRC.

01:40 <zombie67> oh!

01:40 <zombie67> SODIMM?

01:41 <zombie67> careful, some macs can take more, but lose dual channel

01:41 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:41 <Tank_Master> true

01:41 <Tank_Master> sodimm is a PITA

01:41 <zombie67> so, any on board RAM?

01:41 <MTughan> Apparently, (according to Mactracker) this laptop can take up to 6GB, but I'd stick with 4GB for dual-channel.

01:41 <zombie67> right

01:41 <MTughan> On board RAM? Never heard of it.

01:42 <zombie67> okay, so you need dual 2gb SODIMMs?

01:42 <MTughan> Yes.

01:42 <zombie67> I think I have a spare set

01:42 <MTughan> My machine: http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html

01:42 <Romulus> Title: Apple - MacBook - Technical Specifications - All the specs for the 13-inch MacBook notebook (at www.apple.com)

01:42 <zombie67> but they are DDR2

01:42 <MTughan> The 2GHz processor. I would've gone for the 2.4GHz, but Apple didn't give me a choice.

01:43 <zombie67> are you sure they have to be DDR3?

01:43 <MTughan> Yes.

01:43 <zombie67> well crap

01:44 <zombie67> you missed free RAM by *this* much

01:44 <Tank_Master> oh crap

01:44 <MTughan> I got high-quality DDR2 Mushkin RAM (DDR2-1066, 5-5-5-15 timings) for about $100 per 4GB.

01:44 <Tank_Master> lost the connection to MS...

01:44 <MTughan> DTA is downloading faster, but still nowhere near capacity.

01:44 <Tank_Master> only had 5 min to go to...

01:44 <MTughan> Almost got 50MB here.

01:45 <zombie67> wait!

01:45 <zombie67> $60 for dual 2gb SODIMM DDR3

01:45 <zombie67> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010260381%20130923198&name=DDR3%201066%20-%20DDR3%201333

01:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cvz657> (at www.newegg.com)

01:46 <MTughan> &currency convert 60 USD to CAD

01:47 <Romulus> MTughan: 60.00 usd = 70.50 cad

01:47 <MTughan> Not bad.

01:47 <MTughan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=022312&cid=RAM.187.778

01:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d6xcfy> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

01:47 <MTughan> 50 cents (:P) cheaper.

01:47 <zombie67> you said $1000??

01:47 <MTughan> &currency convert 1000 CAD to USD

01:47 <Romulus> MTughan: 1000.00 cad = 851.00 usd

01:48 <zombie67> BTW, I'm getting about 1.5mb sustained d/l

01:48 <MTughan> I'm starting to max out now.

01:48 <MTughan> 3h estimated left.

01:49 <MTughan> It's 2AM now anyway, so if it finishes before I wake up tomorrow, that's fine with me.

01:49 <zombie67> gn

01:49 <MTughan> I didn't say I was going to bed yet.

01:49 <zombie67> heh

01:49 <zombie67> did we loose tank?

01:50 <MTughan> Maybe he's doing the 3 hour drive to throttle the MS webmaster.

01:50 <zombie67> not likelyu

01:50 <zombie67> he's a homebody

01:50 <Tank_Master> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/default.aspx <- dont forget to pick that up when its avalible

01:50 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/crgfls> (at www.microsoft.com)

01:51 <Tank_Master> (if you have the space and memory for it :P)

01:51 <MTughan> Why?

01:51 <MTughan> XP mode?

01:51 <Tank_Master> itll allow you to run programs in navive XP

01:52 <Tank_Master> its a suped up virtusal PC thats highly intergrated into the win7 OS

01:52 <zombie67> um, what for?

01:53 <zombie67> they are all the same file syste

01:53 <zombie67> m

01:53 <Tank_Master> legacy apps

01:53 <zombie67> same CPU

01:53 <MTughan> What legacy apps though?

01:53 <Tank_Master> you could also install boinc into that and run the non CPU intensive stuff

01:53 <MTughan> I read an article that said XP mode was more idiotic than useful.

01:53 <zombie67> I understand the need for OSX when the change from PPC to intel

01:53 <Tank_Master> so you can basicly double the number of freehall WUs while not taking up as much resources as a normal virtual OS

01:54 <zombie67> I am confused

01:54 <MTughan> Made the point that because devices can't be shared between the host and guest OS, which is a reason why you can't run games in a VM.

01:54 <zombie67> what is being emulated?

01:54 <Tank_Master> XP mode is only really usefull for a small select buisness that are to lazy to port thir program over to vista, should they have been dumb enough to create a program that wasnt compatible for both to begin with

01:55 <Tank_Master> MT - this is much better

01:55 <MTughan> Which is why it's only coming with three versions?

01:56 <zombie67> so there is no reason for the emulation mode?

01:56 <Tank_Master> probably not for what we do

01:56 <MTughan> Actually... How would it do with CPU usage, and does it support multi-threading?

01:57 <Tank_Master> I believe it does support multi threading

01:57 <MTughan> Because that could simplify ATI crunching until it's integrated into BOINC.

01:57 <MTughan> CPU apps in the VM, GPU in the host.

01:58 <MTughan> I was going to do it through VirtualBox, but it only supported single-threading in the guest.

01:58 <zombie67> ?  XP already supports multi threadding

01:58 <MTughan> Yes, but to actually thread, the VM also has to emulate multiple cores/CPUs.

01:59 <Tank_Master> z - not all virtual programs allow the guest OS access to more than one thread

01:59 <Tank_Master> woot, d/l compleate

01:59 <MTughan> I hate you... :P

02:00 <zombie67> I mean, if XP already supports multithreading, how is w7 a step up?

02:00 <Tank_Master> win7 uses a different techneak for keeping track of therads

02:01 <Tank_Master> its much more effecent

02:01 <MTughan> Not sure you're understanding how XP mode works...

02:01 <MTughan> It's just a VM bundled with Win7 and comes with XP preinstalled.

02:01 <zombie67> BOINC is not multithreaded.

02:01 <Tank_Master> XP really is old and slow when it comes to running multible tasks at once

02:02 <zombie67> again:  how does any of this help speed up BOINC

02:02 <Tank_Master> MT - win7 allows you to boot off .vhd files to

02:02 <zombie67> ?

02:02 <zombie67> TM: too

02:02 <Tank_Master> you run multible tasks in BOINC...

02:02 <MTughan> XP mode doesn't. Win7 does by reducing the amount of CPU that the kernel needs.

02:02 * synapt multitasks in XP fine...

02:02 <Tank_Master> they exicure faster

02:03 <MTughan> Among other services.

02:03 <zombie67> TM:  multiple single thread tasks

02:03 <zombie67> not

02:03 <Tank_Master> the CPU spends less time waiting for the next instruction in win7 as well

02:03 <zombie67> multi-thread tasks

02:03 <Tank_Master> its the same thiong as far as the OS is conserned

02:04 <zombie67> no no no

02:04 <Tank_Master> running one task with 4 threads or 4 tasks with 1 thread each is still 4 concrrent threads

02:04 <zombie67> NOT wit BOINC

02:04 <zombie67> with

02:04 <MTughan> Because BOINC doesn't understand threads. We're not talking BOINC. We're talking the OS.

02:04 <zombie67> BOINC is too Stooooopid

02:05 <zombie67> *I* am talking about BOINC and w7

02:05 <Tank_Master> so your saying you dont run boinc with multible tasks?

02:05 <zombie67> and I am NOT seeing any advantage for w7

02:05 <Tank_Master> it crunches faster

02:05 <zombie67> HOW?

02:05 <Romulus> It has been said that HOW is breakfast, zombie67

02:05 <MTughan> Win7 multitasks better. BOINC doesn't see the difference.

02:05 <Tank_Master> a MW WU takes about 45 seconds less on win7 than XP

02:06 <zombie67> exactly, no advantage for crunching

02:06 <Tank_Master> there is an advantage

02:06 <MTughan> I meant the CC doesn't care. You do see a difference in the amount of crunching done.

02:06 <zombie67> prove it

02:07 <zombie67> if BOINC does not understand MT, and all you get is a single task/thread, where is the dvantage?

02:07 <MTughan> Because BOINC just spawns tasks and lets them go. Win7 handles the spawned tasks more efficiently than XP did.

02:08 <zombie67> sorry, each thread has only the same capacity

02:08 <Tank_Master> huh?

02:08 <MTughan> Correct. But the OS still has to schedule each thread on the CPU.

02:09 <zombie67> are you saying that there was SLACK in the thread scheduling?

02:09 <MTughan> Yes, some inefficiencies in XP.

02:09 <Tank_Master> wim7 is more effecent at handeling resources

02:09 <zombie67> I now hate windows even more

02:09 <zombie67> thanks for that

02:09 <Tank_Master> the OS has some determonation on what order calls are made

02:10 <Tank_Master> win7 is more inteligen on the order of those calls

02:10 <Tank_Master> all OSs are ineffecent to some degree

02:11 <zombie67> how is it that the oldest OS in use (unix (osx)) is so much better at this stuff?

02:11 <Tank_Master> besides, XP is what, 10 years old almost? wouldnt you expect that improvements on the scedualing have been made?

02:11 <Tank_Master> depends on how you define "better"

02:11 <zombie67> in every way

02:12 <Tank_Master> not in user friendlyness

02:12 <zombie67> OSX rules UF

02:12 <MTughan> I think he meant in multi-threading.

02:12 <zombie67> TRVTH

02:12 <MTughan> It dominates in security because Unix/Linux was built like that from the beginning. Windows had it tacked on in XP.

02:13 <zombie67> it had it tacked on to DOS

02:13 <Tank_Master> yeah, win7 for the firt attampt in intergrating security in a serious manor

02:13 <Tank_Master> win7 it probably the first seucessful windows OS to have security in mind from the getgo while they made it

02:14 <zombie67> second

02:14 <Tank_Master> err I ment vista 2 lines ago

02:14 <MTughan> Yeah, I'd agree that Vista had it.

02:14 <MTughan> Or maybe Vista SP1.

02:14 <zombie67> oh

02:14 <zombie67> sorry, you said within win

02:15 <zombie67> MSFT was in denial of the internet until XP

02:15 <MTughan> XP SP2 that is.

02:15 <zombie67> so what need for security?

02:15 <MTughan> Windows Firewall came with SP2.

02:16 <zombie67> they still tried to sell stuff via shelf-ware

02:16 <zombie67> encarta

02:16 <zombie67> was that msft?

02:16 <Tank_Master> XP always had the firewall

02:16 <Tank_Master> it was just turned on bedefualt oin SP2

02:17 <Tank_Master> MS encarta is now dead

02:17 <Tank_Master> they recently disbanded the group

02:17 <MTughan> Oh, my bad.

02:17 <zombie67> yeah, but the mentality behind encarta...just the same ah she har dooks

02:18 <zombie67> hickupps

02:18 <Tank_Master> and SP2 also allowed for 2 way protection

02:18 <Tank_Master> instead of just incoming packets

02:19 <zombie67> the only way for windows to be secure is to get rid of the...what's it called?  that single file that holds everything?

02:19 <efc> registry

02:19 <zombie67> DING

02:20 <Tank_Master> o0 what does that have to do with security?

02:20 <zombie67> need to spread it all out with permissions and owners

02:20 <Tank_Master> best thing to do is to get rid of the idiots who think they know how to use a computer :P

02:20 <zombie67> at the file level

02:21 <Tank_Master> huh?

02:21 <zombie67> UNIX

02:21 <Tank_Master> you can set permissionf at the file level

02:21 <zombie67> leran it love it

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02:21 <zombie67> crap, gotta hit the sack

02:22 <Tank_Master> unix is to.. oh how do I put it... behind the times? antiquated?

02:22 <MTughan> gn zombie

02:22 <Tank_Master> ok, gn Z

02:22 <MTughan> How so? It's security model has held up far better than Windows' has.

02:22 <zombie67> TM:  you misspelled FAST and SECURE

02:22 <zombie67> gn?

02:22 <zombie67> gn!

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02:23 <Tank_Master> so, you think he got what we weere talking about in regard to multi tasking?

02:23 <Tank_Master> :D

02:25 <MTughan> Shoot, my download restarted because FF crashed...

02:25 <MTughan> Stupid 64-bit Java bug.

02:25 <Tank_Master> ouch

02:25 <MTughan> Are you able to mirror it for me?

02:25 <Tank_Master> I dont have my ftm set up

02:26 <Tank_Master> ftp*

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02:26 <MTughan> zombie67: Do you have the ISO downloaded?

02:26 <zombie67> ding!  Got the DL complete

02:26 <Tank_Master> wb z

02:26 <MTughan> Heh, nice question to ask...

02:26 <Tank_Master> nice

02:27 <zombie67> so, what are the limitations?

02:27 <MTughan> So are you able to mirror it then. TM says he doesn't have his FTP server up.

02:27 <zombie67> expiration date?

02:27 <MTughan> Limitations of Win7?

02:27 <MTughan> Oh... June 1, 2010 IIRC.

02:27 <Tank_Master> win7 when you activate it will expire june 2010

02:27 <MTughan> Well after Win7 is supposed to be officially out.

02:27 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:27 <zombie67> okay, I can upload it for DL, but it will take like a day

02:27 <MTughan> October 23 being the closest approximation we have.

02:28 <Tank_Master> and hacked ::P

02:28 <MTughan> A day to upload it?

02:28 <zombie67> u/l is slower

02:28 <MTughan> I'll be done in about an hour and a half, so don't bother.

02:28 <zombie67> well, not a day, but  several hiours

02:28 <zombie67> hours

02:28 <zombie67> ok

02:29 <Tank_Master> when do you need that marble back by on theta?

02:29 <zombie67> no rush

02:29 <zombie67> whenever

02:29 <zombie67> or never

02:29 <zombie67> I am not short on anythig

02:29 <Tank_Master> ok, cus im working on upgrading my ports now

02:29 <Tank_Master> lvl 7 isnt high

02:30 <MTughan> Shouldn't you guys be discussing this on the games channel?

02:30 <zombie67> FO!

02:30 <zombie67> ;)

02:30 <Tank_Master> pft

02:30 <zombie67> so no need to host the w7?

02:30 <Tank_Master> like anyone else here is talking

02:30 <MTughan> I don't think so.

02:31 <zombie67> ok

02:31 <zombie67> lemm know if you need me to

02:31 <zombie67> lemme

02:31 <zombie67> gn...this time for sure!

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03:17 <CoderForLife> bah - sleep is overrated

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03:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 50s. East winds around 5 mph.;

03:18 <CoderForLife> &social

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03:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 50. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;

03:26 <Tank_Master> looks like the april showers have arrived

03:29 <CoderForLife> 'bout time

03:29 <Tank_Master> no kidding

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06:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: precipitation 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low in the mid 50s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of thunderstorms. High in the lower 70s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.;

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08:38 <eagles0513875> hey guys

08:38 <eagles0513875> is seti@home the only project that runs on cuda

08:51 <desti_T2> gpugrid

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09:02 <hawmps> milkyway

09:14 <eagles0513875> ok will have to sign up for those im already a member of a bunch of projects and i was wondering which others i could sign up for to take advantage of my cuda gpu

09:21 <eagles0513875> will all boin projects eventually use cuda code

09:22 <eagles0513875> *boinc

09:24 <hawmps> unlikely, as cuda is not open source

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11:34 <Tank_Master> does DD@H have resume capibility?

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11:50 <Tank_Master> heh

11:51 <Tank_Master> got junk mail titaled "hey dunny, can you pass the dummy test?"

11:51 <Tank_Master> reported it as phishing scam... guess I passed that test :P

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11:51 <aaa801> hi

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11:51 <Tank_Master> ih

11:52 <Tank_Master> mw!

11:52 <aaa801> anyone know why im getting set DISPLAY

11:52 <mweltin> hey Tank_Master

11:52 <aaa801> when trying to run boinc manageR?

11:52 <Tank_Master> what OS and what version of BOINC?

11:52 <aaa801> opensuse 11.1

11:53 <aaa801> and im guessing the latest one for linux

11:53 <Tank_Master> MTughan

11:53 <aaa801> g2g

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11:53 <Tank_Master> uhh.. ok...

11:56 <mweltin> I just ran it and found I'm missing all kinds of images, but no set DISPLAY

11:56 <mweltin> have you tried to see what it's set to now?

11:57 <Tank_Master> ?

11:57 <Tank_Master> aaa left already

11:57 <mweltin> ahah

11:58 <mweltin> oh well

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12:00 <hawmps> sounds like he tried to run boincmgr from a console screen (no X)

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12:02 <PovAddict> yup

12:02 <mweltin> morn'in Pov

12:35 <PovAddict> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/01/12.html

12:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7w3v7o> (at www.joelonsoftware.com)

12:38 <Tank_Master> never did get why bluray added support for java bloatware

12:39 <PovAddict> content makers can make custom Java code for their DRM

12:41 <Tank_Master> ahh yes, cus it would be so terrible fomr someone to make coppies, hand it out to 50 million people who othereise would not have seen it and have about 10% say "hey thats great, ill buy my own coppy"

12:42 <Tank_Master> :D

12:54 <Tank_Master> ill brb

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13:45 <MTughan> Tank_Master: What did you flash me about earlier?

13:46 <Tank_Master> I didnt flash you

13:47 <Tank_Master> I just highlited you :D

13:47 <Tank_Master> someone was having a lunix question

13:47 <Tank_Master> but they left almost rt after they asked their question

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14:00 <yoyo[RKN]> oh, Tank_Master joined, is it that late?

14:01 <PovAddict> time

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14:43 <PovAddict> "Economists Warn Anti-Bush Merchandise Market Close To Collapse"

14:44 <MTughan> lol

14:44 <MTughan> The Onion?

14:44 <PovAddict> yup

15:00 <MTughan> Gotta love internal transfer interfaces... Copying data from my Win7 partition to another drive for temporary safekeeping. Getting about 32MB/s transfer speeds.

15:01 <PovAddict> I got 50MB/s copying to my new TB-sized disk :)

15:01 <PovAddict> at most, that is

15:01 <PovAddict> usually went lower, probably fragmentation

15:01 <MTughan> I'm getting 32MB/s sustained.

15:02 <MTughan> Also, these drives are only capable of SATA 1, and probably don't have NCQ or TCQ.

15:03 <MTughan> Still, better than the 500KB/s down I can get over the Internet.

15:03 <hawmps> about the same speed at which a burrito causes farts...

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15:51 <Tank_Master> &drugdiscovery

15:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Are you daft?

15:51 <Tank_Master> &discoverdrugs

15:51 <PovAddict> &whatis drugdiscovery

15:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Are you daft?

15:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: "drugdiscovery" could be (#1) New BOINC project, models the behavor of lead compounds that could be developed into new medicines., or (#2) http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/

15:51 <Tank_Master> oh, right

15:52 <Tank_Master> forget the whatis

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15:52 <PovAddict> if you want more stuff, it's easy to add, &learn <something> as <long description or URL or whatever>

15:53 <Ageless93> the link is wrong

15:53 <PovAddict> lies

15:53 <Tank_Master> link works fine

15:53 <Ageless93> it's http://drugdiscoveryathome.com for the front page.

15:53 <Romulus> Title: About | drugdiscoveryathome.com - distributed computing for in silico drug discovery in the fields of aging, cancer and stem cells (at drugdiscoveryathome.com)

15:53 <Ageless93> it's got a new front page, all Drupal

15:53 <PovAddict> what do us BOINCers carea bout?

15:54 <Ageless93> shrug

15:55 <Ageless93> but just go look at http://drugdiscoveryathome.com/index.php

15:55 <Romulus> Title: About | drugdiscoveryathome.com - distributed computing for in silico drug discovery in the fields of aging, cancer and stem cells (at drugdiscoveryathome.com)

15:55 <PovAddict> &factoids change drugdiscovery 2 s/boinc\.//

15:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

15:55 <PovAddict> there

15:55 <Ageless93> as long as you know what you did. ;)

15:55 <PovAddict> &whatis drugdiscovery 2

15:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://drugdiscoveryathome.com/

15:55 <Ageless93> p.s: the user login on the front page may not work yet.

15:56 <PovAddict> I replaced "boinc." with ""

15:56 <Ageless93> that whole thing of changing links at the front page...

15:56 <Ageless93> although as I understand the forums stay at boinc.etc

15:57 <Ageless93> we had a much weirder thing on H2 today, where none of our make work scripts could log in.

15:57 <Ageless93> but that's nothing for this channel. :P

16:03 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:06 <Ageless93> Dom DeLuise has died

16:07 <Tank_Master> got my overclocked qx6700 on DD@H now :D

16:07 <MTughan> How overclocked?

16:07 <Tank_Master> 3.2 GHz

16:07 <Tank_Master> default voltage

16:07 <MTughan> Higher multiplier?

16:08 <Tank_Master> yeah

16:08 <MTughan> I'm at 3.26GHz on my Q6600, but with the default multiplier, I had to push the FSB up, and the voltage at one point.

16:08 <Tank_Master> I may up the fsb later

16:09 <Tank_Master> but I wanna sell this thing off n get my i7 build compleated

16:10 <Tank_Master> man this PS sure puts out a lot of heat

16:11 <MTughan> Which?

16:11 <Romulus> Somebody said Which is the second time or integrated straight into iPhoto '09, but that's nice, MTughan

16:11 <Tank_Master> thermal take pure power 500w

16:13 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

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16:13 <yoyo[RKN]> brr

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16:27 <jasong> Did a holiday or something happen yesterday(Monday) in the UK?  There's a gap in some reporting I'm seeing on my favorite site

16:27 <Ageless93> bank holiday

16:27 <jasong> ahhh, thanks

16:28 <Ageless93> I think to commemorate the end of WWII

16:28 <Ageless93> but could be mistaken. we at least had remember the dead yesterday and freedom day today (Netherlands)

16:29 <jasong> I'll ask my dad, it wouldn't surprise me to find out yesterday was a holiday and I just didn't know

16:30 <Ageless93> ve day is on the 8th

16:30 <FreeLarry58> dang guess it was the mb that was going bad - new mb and f10 is upgrading f8 on the hd's now without locking up

16:31 <Tank_Master> I just had 2 mobos go out on me recently

16:31 <Ageless93> it was Early May bank holiday

16:32 <Ageless93> http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/bankholidays.html

16:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bv43v> (at www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk)

16:32 <FreeLarry58> same a gigabyte N650sli and a msi p35 neo

16:33 <FreeLarry58> but noted the new p5q doesn't support the old 5.25 in floppy at all anymore

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16:34 <FreeLarry58> guess i need to go backinto the i7 machine and figure out how to hook up sound for the tv monitor

16:35 <jasong> Holy crap, it looks like the banks will be closed for 4 straight days in the UK starting Christmas day, 2010

16:36 <jasong> oops, this year too

16:36 <jasong> nope, I'm wrong 3 days

16:37 <Ageless93> banks I wouldn't be worried about. More like stores.

16:37 <jasong> I hate how they can't seem to remember how make spreadsheet headings stick when they need to stick.  i was learning how to do that way back in 88

16:37 <Ageless93> why need a bank holiday with christmas when the whole thing falls in a weekend? Pfff British. ;)

16:38 <jasong> true

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16:52 <Tank_Master> all projects are outa work now so im gonna go and install the win7 RC on this comp

16:52 <Tank_Master> ill bb in  a bit

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16:57 <dp> how much faster are the cuda clients compared to "standard" CPUs?

17:01 <Tank_Master> loads

17:01 <Tank_Master> depends on the app though

17:01 <Tank_Master> and the GPU

17:01 <Tank_Master> but a high end GPU can easly crunch about 10x a high end CPU

17:01 <dp> are there more projects that support cuda than what's listed on the boinc download page?

17:02 <MTughan> And ATI clients can be even faster.

17:02 <Tank_Master> only SETI, SETI beta and gpu grid support cuda

17:02 <dp> that's what I thought

17:02 <dp> I was really hoping for CPDN ;)

17:02 <MTughan> 30 seconds/WU compared to 5 minutes/WU on MW.

17:02 <dp> are there stats for S@H broken down by CPU?

17:03 <MTughan> Actually, that's 10x... Nvm.

17:03 <Tank_Master> yeah, ATI can do some things faster than the nvidia  cuda

17:03 <MTughan> Depending on the cards, Nvidia and ATI are similar in single-precision float calculations, but ATI cards are way ahead in double-precision.

17:04 <MTughan> At least in theoretical limits, that is. The app still has to make use of that power.

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17:04 <dp> [17:02]  dp| are there stats for S@H broken down by CPU?

17:04 <MTughan> CPU or GPU?

17:04 <dp> yes

17:04 <dp> ;)

17:05 <Tank_Master> I thought nvidia didnt support double...

17:05 <Tank_Master> which is why they can be faster for some things

17:05 <MTughan> The GT200 cards support double.

17:05 <MTughan> dp: http://boincstats.com/stats/host_cpu_stats.php?pr=sah&st=0

17:05 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats | SETI@Home - Host CPU breakdown (at boincstats.com)

17:06 <MTughan> I think that's all hosts though, not active hosts.

17:06 <dp> GPUs wouldn't be listed on there though, would they?

17:07 <MTughan> No.

17:07 <dp> is there a page for those?

17:07 <MTughan> I'm checking SETI@Home. They might have something.

17:08 <MTughan> Nope, nothing from SETI@Home. You'd have to use a stats site that knows about GPUs, and I don't know of one that does that off the top of my head.

17:09 <MTughan> I only really know about BOINCStats though, so look around.

17:09 <MTughan> A partial list of stats sites: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats.php

17:09 <Romulus> Title: Statistics and leaderboards (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

17:09 <dp> I just wonder if they even publish GPU data in the XML

17:09 <jasong> If I'm an idiot buying hardware, but I'm a fast learner who's specifically buying for Distributed Computing, what are some good sites to bookmark for advice, shopping and shopping advice ;)

17:09 <Tank_Master> newegg

17:10 <jasong> thanks

17:10 <Tank_Master> thats where I get most of my parts from online

17:10 <Tank_Master> tomshardware, hothardware, anandtech, xbitlabs are a few review sites

17:12 <Ageless93> Seti can't do separate stats for CPU and GPU as the tasks that run on GPU (Seti Enhanced Multibeam) also run on the CPU (just depends on what application it's appointed to when you ask for work).

17:13 <Ageless93> these tasks are validated against other GPUs and CPUs alike. so no separate stats.

17:13 <dp> Ageless93: why is that?

17:13 <Ageless93> only one feeder.

17:13 <Ageless93> which gives out and Seti Enhanced MB GPU, CPU and AP.

17:13 <dp> what about gpugrid, or whatever?

17:14 <Ageless93> they only have GPU apps

17:14 <Tank_Master> yeah, gpugris has no cpu app

17:14 <dp> but are their "host" stats by GPU then?

17:15 <Ageless93> probably, but still highly tainted. BOINC still can't count GPU time, so even on an all singing and dancing GPU project, their tasks are counted in CPU time.

17:16 <dp> ugh

17:16 <dp> so there's no way to know how well a GPU will perform until you put it in the box

17:16 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

17:16 <Ageless93> which for the CPU means it only transfers data from disk to video memory and back. Those seconds are counted. Doesn't matter that the tasks actually run for hours on the GPU. Those seconds are not counted.

17:16 <MTughan> Well, you can ask around here. :P

17:17 <dp> MTughan: ok. out of curiosity, I want to know about Tesla based GPUs

17:17 <MTughan> Well, I said you can ask around. I don't have any working CUDA combinations.

17:17 <dp> ;)

17:17 <Ageless93> The new BOINC 6.6.20 clients show Elapsed time now in BOINC Manager. This so you can "see" how long a task takes. But it's only the CPU time that's still sent back to the projects... kinda useless.

17:18 <dp> I figure someone has to have a Tesla based GPU

17:18 <MTughan> The only machine I have with a Nvidia card runs OS X, which doesn't support CUDA yet.

17:18 <Ageless93> Tesla isn't a videocard. it's only a co-processor. You'd still need a videocard.

17:18 <MTughan> Tank_Master runs a lot of CUDA.

17:18 <dp> Ageless93: I understand that.  but you'd be offloading extra on to it

17:18 <dp> and you wouldn't need a CUDA video card as primary

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17:19 <dp> right?

17:19 <Ageless93> if that works, yes.

17:19 <Ageless93> problem is that BOINC doesn't always recognize the secondary card.

17:19 <Ageless93> and if it does, the latest clients tend to disable the 'slowest GPU', doesn't matter what speed it is.

17:20 <Ageless93> and no, I don't run CUDA. Got an ATI card. for games

17:20 <dp> meh.  I guess I'll stick with the card I'm planning on getting

17:20 <MTughan> And seems to have a tendency of disabling a similar GPU.

17:20 <MTughan> Eg, someone with two GTX295s has 4 CUDA devices, and BOINC disabled the third, despite it having the same specs as the other three.

17:21 <dp> and if you have two in the same machine?

17:21 <Ageless93> just wait for CUDA to mature. try it in a year or so.

17:21 <MTughan> That's what I mean, two GTX 295s in the same machine.

17:21 <dp> I'd like to get the benefit now ;)

17:21 <dp> MTughan: interesting

17:21 <dp> I'll get the cheapest CUDA card I can

17:21 <dp> and go from there

17:21 <Ageless93> it's only ben since December that CUDA has been available and everyone expects that all bugs had been stomped out in 2 weeks

17:22 <MTughan> Ageless93: Perhaps, but CUDA also broke CPU scheduling.

17:22 <Ageless93> that's what you get when you add new technology in a working client

17:22 <Ageless93> kinda like internet explorer

17:23 <Ageless93> or just Windows... Vista anyone?

17:23 <Ageless93> or better: Millennium?

17:23 <MTughan> Vista was a big rewrite, not an add on.

17:23 <MTughan> Things were bound to break.

17:23 <Ageless93> although I managed to run WinME without so much as a reboot for 18 months in a row.

17:23 <MTughan> It also brought in badly needed security updates.

17:23 <dp> that's not something I'd brag about

17:24 <Ageless93> just rip out the Movie Maker and System restore options in WinME and it's as solid as Win98SE

17:24 <MTughan> My OS X machine has been up for 44 days now.

17:25 <MTughan> (this machine, BTW)

17:25 <Ageless93> tomorrow you'll get a brown out ;)

17:25 <MTughan> It's a laptop. ;)

17:25 <Ageless93> the battery will fail catastrophically

17:26 <MTughan> New machine essentially.

17:26 <MTughan> Two months old.

17:26 <Ageless93> which says what?

17:26 <MTughan> It's less likely to experience battery failure than an older machine.

17:26 <dp> 17:26:41 up 130 days, 54 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.26, 0.48

17:26 <Ageless93> that there's nothing on it that can't have a manufacturing flaw? :P

17:27 <dp> currently ranked 6th in this box's list of uptimes

17:28 <dp> ahh, there's the number I like seeing

17:28 <dp>     up   1676 days, 18:39:4 | since                     Tue Sep 28 01:53:42 2004

17:28 <MTughan> 17:28  up 43 days, 22:18, 7 users, load averages: 2.89 2.64 2.55

17:28 <dp> server is located in Tampa, FL

17:28 <dp> been through at least 2 hurricanes

17:29 <MTughan> WTF? http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16866

17:29 <Romulus> Title: Rumor: Apple could make a bid for EA - The Tech Report (at techreport.com)

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17:41 <xcamel> blah..

17:41 <Ageless93> bleh

17:42 <xcamel> same

17:42 <Ageless93> just spelled different

17:44 <xcamel> bbl..

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18:12 <xcamel> back

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18:30 <FreeLarry58> kay - one machine finishing up the upgrade to f10 and finally figured out had to use aftermarket software to make data dvd's for coping off excess files --- goes much faster at 4.7 gig vice 702 Meg

18:33 <FreeLarry58> 1 dvd equals 6 cd's

18:34 * CoderForLife grumbles

18:34 <PovAddict> a DVD rotates at the same speed as a CD

18:35 <PovAddict> but it has so much higher bit density that you can read and write it at a faster data rate

18:35 <PovAddict> I'd say a CD takes as much time to burn as a DVD

18:35 <PovAddict> that is, burning 700MB to a CD takes as long as burning 4.7GB on a DVD

18:39 * xcamel bitches about a junk msmouse.

18:39 * CoderForLife bitches about jury duty summonos

18:40 <CoderForLife> er summons

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18:43 <xcamel> lol

18:43 <xcamel> I beat that one every time...

18:43 <CoderForLife> jury duty?

18:43 <xcamel> my zip code is in one county, and I live in another...

18:44 <CoderForLife> that'll do it

18:44 <xcamel> always get a jd summons from the wrong county/jurisdiction...

18:44 <Tank_Master> :P

18:44 <xcamel> :-)

18:44 <CoderForLife> I was thinking I would qualify for the excuse "The interests of the public would be materially injured by your service".

18:45 <PovAddict> The Matrix on Windows XP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM

18:45 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - The Matrix Runs on Windows (at www.youtube.com)

18:45 <CoderForLife> my #2 excuse is "You are a member of an Amish sect and wish to be excused"

18:46 <CoderForLife> I plan to sleep in an Amish-constructed cabin on 6/15 and 16 - does that make me an honorary member?

18:46 <xcamel> you handle the life insurance claims for all the states' judges?

18:48 <CoderForLife> NY is tough on out-of-state domiciled insurer's

18:49 <CoderForLife> they'd have to have a policy with our NY sub: https://www.nslac.com/portal/site/nsclient/

18:49 <Romulus> Title: National Security (at www.nslac.com)

18:50 <xcamel> I meant in OH...

18:50 <CoderForLife> oh, you mean OH judges

18:50 <xcamel> indeed..

18:50 <CoderForLife> a few, I'm sure

18:51 <CoderForLife> here's where we're "getting away to" in June:  http://www.murphinridgeinn.com/

18:51 <Romulus> Title: Country Inn featuring a Fine Dining Restaurant a Country Bed & Breakfast, and Woodland Log Cabins: Murphin Ridge Inn, West Union Ohio (at www.murphinridgeinn.com)

18:52 <PovAddict> heh

18:52 <PovAddict> Eric Korpela posted: "My [tax] rates may be lower than others because Angela and I make enough that we can afford not to pay so much in taxes. Yes, it makes exactly as much sense as it sounds."

18:54 <CoderForLife> this jury duty really messes up my schedule

18:54 <CoderForLife> if I did my original plans plus this, I'd be out of the office for 5 weeks straight

18:55 <Tank_Master> in other words they are so rich its cheeper to higher lawyers to hide the money for them

18:55 <CoderForLife> they might figure out that they don't need me after all

18:56 <PovAddict> heh, Facebook translation fail

18:56 <PovAddict> I stumbled upon a facebook page for a politician

18:56 <PovAddict> one of the items in the page description is "Fiesta"

18:57 <PovAddict> fiesta is the Spanish translation of "party", when meaning "a social gathering for celebration and recreation"

18:57 <xcamel> voidere(SP) is your friend..

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18:58 <PovAddict> I guess it was fiesta as in "an organization to gain political power", which would be "partido"

18:58 <PovAddict> I mean "party as in"*...

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18:59 <FreeLarry58> humm PovAddict maybe you want to check out the dual again - upgrade just finished and would like your thoughts

19:00 <FreeLarry58> except i don't know what the ip is yet

19:04 <FreeLarry58> lets try a restart -- should still be .107

19:05 <FreeLarry58> noticed new board the chipset allows full usage of 4 gig ram instead of 3.2 gig

19:06 <FreeLarry58> humm failing to start eth0 what did i do wrong

19:08 <Tank_Master> eth1 got jellious

19:09 <FreeLarry58> eth1 not active either

19:09 <FreeLarry58> neither allows me to activate?

19:18 <xcamel> http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/502/1#comment-block

19:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cbhskv> (at sciencenow.sciencemag.org)

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19:25 <Tank_Master> howdy jack

19:25 <MTughan> PovAddict: What version of Gobby were we using?

19:26 <PovAddict> $ gobby --version

19:26 <PovAddict> Unknown option --version

19:26 <MTughan> 0.4.x?

19:26 <PovAddict> sometimes I hate software

19:26 <PovAddict> there

19:26 <PovAddict> yes, 0.4.x

19:26 <MTughan> Just reinstalling everything after installing Win7 RC.

19:26 <PovAddict> 0.5 is better (for some definition of "better") but I'd have to build it from source

19:29 <PovAddict> &math calc 42/3000*100

19:29 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1.4

19:31 <PovAddict> I'm bad at math and worse at economics; if there is an X monthly interest rate, how much would it be per year? I know it's not as simple as x12

19:31 <PovAddict> (because interest applies to all money including the interest from previous months)

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19:36 <xcamel> look up the "rule of 72's" and you'll never fret about interest again...

19:36 <xcamel> basic compounding.

19:38 <PovAddict> if this month I got X, what's the yearly interest they're giving?

19:38 <PovAddict> I'm currently on plan B, searching on the bank website :P

19:38 <Tank_Master> Y

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19:41 <Tank_Master> so asking here wasnt plan B?

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19:41 <PovAddict> asking here is the lazy way, lazy way is always first thing to do

19:42 <Tank_Master> ah

19:42 <Tank_Master> though perhaps trying to solve it yourself was plan A

19:42 <PovAddict> like asking Romulus for simple math before thinking

19:42 <PovAddict> :D

19:42 <Tank_Master> that lasted 0.27 sec

19:42 <MTughan> Like how that equation is just 42/30?

19:43 <PovAddict> asking exactly for what I want is less error-prone

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19:43 <PovAddict> and i'm lazy to do 42/30 :D

19:47 <Tank_Master> which is the same as 10.5/6

19:47 <MTughan> I'd divide by three first. 14/10.

19:47 <Tank_Master> id devide by 4

19:48 <MTughan> 10.5/7.5?

19:48 <Tank_Master> ya

19:48 <MTughan> 7.5, not 6. 30/5 = 6.

19:49 <Tank_Master> so you were doing a different number

19:49 <Tank_Master> 6x5=30 though

19:49 <Tank_Master> (dont use tank math, its made up)

19:50 <PovAddict> MTughan: did you see this?

19:50 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> explicit is better than implicit

19:50 <PovAddict> <david`bgk> $ python -c "import this" | grep lazy

19:50 <PovAddict> <david`bgk> something is definitely missing here :)

19:50 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> lol

19:51 <MTughan> No lazy.

19:51 <MTughan> And yes, I saw it.

19:51 <MTughan> Remember I asked about antigravity?

19:51 <PovAddict> I just noticed, maybe "Although practicality beats purity." is what he wants :)

19:55 * CoderForLife picks up the towel and heaves it into the middle of the room

19:55 <CoderForLife> good night all

19:55 <Tank_Master> gn

19:55 <MTughan> We don't want your stinky towel...

19:55 <MTughan> Night.

19:56 <CoderForLife> you may need it

19:56 * CoderForLife evaporates

19:56 <xcamel> keep the towel, and don't panic.

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20:11 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: are you a pirate?

20:20 <xcamel> &wx 12074

20:20 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 48.8F / 9.3C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of showers this evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the morning... then partly (1 more message)

20:20 <xcamel> &more

20:20 <Romulus> xcamel: sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. Southwest winds around 5 mph in the morning...becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain in the evening... then rain after midnight. Not as cool with lows in the mid 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.;

20:21 <xcamel> good. we need the rain

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20:40 <FreeLarry58> okayy i'm out of ideas on how to get eth0 to initialize - network connections don't help so maybe need to edit some file

20:40 * FreeLarry58 needs a guru

20:43 <jasong> I was just watching American Idol, is Come Together a drug song?

20:43 <xcamel> mostly

20:44 <jasong> If he comes to Conway, I intend to ask him why a Christian who has a bunch of Christians behind him decided to sing a drug song as part of a national competition

20:45 <jasong> Might not make it to national television, but people might get to see him hem and haw on YouTube

20:48 <jasong> With much power comes much responsibility, and sometimes the best thing to do is to simply turn away from that power.  You're either a Christian or your not, and this dude really needs to question his heart

20:48 * jasong will shut up now :)

21:07 <jasong> Can anyone think of a reason that a physical inspection and a bootup sequence will tell me I have 8Gig of memory, but my 64-bit Ubuntu kernel only sees 2.85Gig(base-10 for this second number, I think)

21:07 <jasong> Isn't 2.85Gig a limitation of some sort in a Windows environment?

21:08 <jasong> I know I'm in Linux, but maybe there's a bug and the Windows situation could shed some light on the problem

21:11 <jasong> 2837252k is the exact number given

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21:16 <xcamel> 'lo Tom

21:17 <Zeeno> hey Jay

21:17 <Zeeno> how goes it?

21:18 <xcamel> good enough, and you?

21:19 <Zeeno> about the same I guess

21:19 <Zeeno> i'm still here

21:20 <xcamel> still back in the southland?

21:20 <Zeeno> yep. will probably be here from now on it seems

21:20 <Zeeno> s'ok. it's home

21:21 <xcamel> cool

21:21 <xcamel> no bad storms lately?

21:21 <Zeeno> not in the past couple of days

21:21 <Zeeno> there is one right now about 20 miles south of me

21:22 <Zeeno> i lost my last desktop computer this past weekend

21:22 <Zeeno> got to get some stuff ordered and build another

21:23 <Zeeno> think i may go with a quad core next

21:23 <xcamel> c2q's are getting cheaper

21:23 <xcamel> nasty cell crossing the MS line directly to your west.

21:24 <Zeeno> yea, gonna me a little nasty through tomorrow

21:24 <Zeeno> really puting a cramp in my motorcycle riding

21:25 <xcamel> didn't even get mine out.

21:25 <xcamel> yet..

21:25 <Zeeno> just now getting decent up there for it

21:25 <Zeeno> sand and salt off the roads yet?

21:25 <xcamel> not really

21:26 <xcamel> got my audi, and the new jeep-toy

21:26 <Zeeno> wow

21:26 <Zeeno> been riding mine all winter

21:26 <Zeeno> if it is 34 or above

21:26 <Zeeno> :)

21:27 <Zeeno> what kind of jeep toy?

21:28 <xcamel> hold on..

21:30 <xcamel> http://lledgerock.com/jeep1.JPG

21:30 <xcamel> http://lledgerock.com/jeep2.JPG

21:30 <PovAddict> big thing

21:45 <Zeeno> nice Jay!

21:45 <MTughan> Didn't you buy that off eBay?

21:46 <PovAddict> lol

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21:50 <Tank_Master> i was guessing crag's

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21:57 <FreeLarry58> humm what do you need in file ifcfg-th0 to get it to start

21:57 <FreeLarry58> only line i see which may need editing is BOOTPROTO=none

21:58 <FreeLarry58> and Hardware addy which i'm not sure is correct

22:00 <FreeLarry58> only 12 digit number i see on mb is different -- maybe its a HWADDR number?

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22:16 <FreeLarry58> how do you restart network services in linux?

22:16 <Tank_Master> reboot the comp aught to do it

22:16 <FreeLarry58> trying not to reboot as running other programs

22:17 <PovAddict> ifdown eth0

22:17 <PovAddict> ifup eth0

22:18 <FreeLarry58> ahhh erro for wireless --- not wireless that i know of --- set encode 8b2a

22:19 <FreeLarry58> cannot find device eth0

22:19 <FreeLarry58> what ever am i doing wrong?

22:20 <PovAddict> um whoa

22:20 <Tank_Master> you sure that the drivers are there for the NICs?

22:20 <FreeLarry58> set failed on device eth0 ; no such device

22:21 <Tank_Master> gaa, DD@H is down again

22:22 <Tank_Master> this thing is about as reliable as an alpha project... (meening it is more stable then seti)

22:22 <Tank_Master> :P

22:32 <FreeLarry58> maybe not Tank_Master - not sure how to check for them either

22:33 <FreeLarry58> switch cable to eth1 same problem

22:34 <FreeLarry58> need around 2 more hrs to complete some tasks before i can reboot

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23:12 <MTughan> w00t, got 4 gold badges in WCG now.

23:12 <Tank_Master> congtaz

23:12 <MTughan> One silver, and 4 projects without badges.

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