IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-05-07

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00:21 <PovAddict> zombie67: heh I just got an nntp newsreader for my ipod touch

00:24 <zombie67> sweeeeet!

00:25 <PovAddict> there are several IRC clients - none free

00:26 <zombie67> yeah, I have used...lemme ook

00:26 <zombie67> Rooms

00:27 <PovAddict> I dont have any payment method enabled in my appstore account

00:27 <zombie67> ah

00:28 <PovAddict> I got NewsTapLite (there is also a non-Lite version)

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01:31 <Nickuwo> what does create_work return if it cant contact the database?

01:31 <Nickuwo> 0?

01:38 <Tank_Master> "error, no error"

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01:50 <jasong> If anyone here has time and knows how to fight with BOINC on a Linux system, I'm trying to get it to realize that the host that it can't find is the computer it's installed on.  Strange but true.

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02:04 <zombie67> back

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02:38 <FreeLarry58> well the instructions for installing the boinc package worked again for me

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02:39 <FreeLarry58> finally up and running but bam appears to be down for attaching to and a few projects wont let me either

02:39 <FreeLarry58> but finally running a few projects on it

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02:54 <Tank_Master> cingratz

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03:10 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 56.1F / 13.4C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.52in / 999.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy with patchy fog. Near steady temperatures in the mid 50s. East winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms... mainly in the afternoon. Highs in the (1 more message)

03:10 <CoderForLife> &more

03:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mid 70s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

03:11 <CoderForLife> I'm still thinking this sleep thing is over-rated

03:12 <Tank_Master> :)

03:13 * CoderForLife starts Coding again at oh-dark-thirty

03:16 <Tank_Master> hf

03:16 <CoderForLife> it's da bomb

03:23 <efc> moo cfl

03:24 <Tank_Master> pusy is da bomb, itll blow up in your face if stimulate it enough

03:24 <efc> &wx 31088

03:24 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 66F / 19C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny with a 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 80s. West winds (1 more message)

03:25 <efc> &more

03:25 <Romulus> efc: 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 60s. Light and variable winds.;

03:25 <efc> I noticed that the US is listed as "moderate" risk of becoming a failed state

03:25 <Tank_Master> heh

03:25 <Tank_Master> they are in denail

03:25 <Tank_Master> :P

03:28 <CoderForLife> moo efc

03:28 <efc> Hey, I see I could get a 45 pressed.. $555 for 100

03:34 <CoderForLife> if you were allowed to have a LIMIT clause in a SQL sub-select, life would be perfect

03:38 <efc> If I didn't put it in the standard it was for a good reason

03:40 <CoderForLife> oh, thank you, Your Beneficence

03:40 <Tank_Master> :)

03:41 <CoderForLife> how's it feel there, efc, while you're falling toward apotheosis?

03:42 <efc> DROP TABLE CoderForLife_NestEgg

03:42 <efc> Yes I know thats bad design. Who said the universe was in 4th normal form?

03:43 <CoderForLife> Let's use Kalido, so that even changes to the changes are tracked (something like 12th normal form)

03:44 <efc> I didn't have time to normalize the stinking universe. It was for performance reasons.

03:45 <CoderForLife> yeah, and I was "only following orders..."

03:47 <CoderForLife> so help me, Codd

03:47 <efc> for the record, Disco was the result of a SQL injection problem

03:47 <CoderForLife> I recommend swapping the site with alcohol first

03:49 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

03:49 <efc> later

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04:11 <Tank_Master> n I should head to bed

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07:54 <hawmps> 'lo

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08:17 <ELGono> lo jay

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09:40 <hawmps> &wx 12020

09:40 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 56.7F / 13.7C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 29.49in / 998.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with scattered showers. Patchy drizzle this morning...then isolated thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. South winds around 10 mph...becoming southwest this afternoon. Chance of rain 50 (2 more messages)

09:40 <hawmps> &more

09:40 <Romulus> hawmps: percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...becoming southwest around 5 mph after midnight.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the morning... then partly sunny with scattered showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs around 70. South winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest in the afternoon. Chance of (1 more message)

09:41 <hawmps> &more

09:41 <Romulus> hawmps: rain 50 percent.;

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10:03 <hawmps> there.. that's better..

10:03 <hawmps> blown power supply

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12:33 <quinq> Hi, I'm having trouble compiling boinc (from svn stable) under OpenSolaris x86_64.

12:33 <quinq> First, I'm not sure fi that's possible, and if it is, anyone could help me, net resources, solving my problem ?

13:12 <Tank_Master> &bighello

13:12 <Romulus> Hello Aeternus, Celelibi, CoderForLife, ComradeHaz, deprecated, desti, dp, EiMiAR, ELGono, Eythan, FreeLarry58, hawmps, KathrynM, MacG, mikechelen, Nickuwo, PieSpyRom, qnr, quail, quinq, Romulus, sigmund_, stux|RC-only, Tank_Master, Turf, up365, wdsmia, xcamel, XioNYC, and XVar

13:12 <XioNYC> Hi.

13:12 * desti slaps Romulus

13:12 <Tank_Master> :)

13:12 <Tank_Master> so, can anyone help quinq?

13:13 <quinq> :)

13:13 <quinq> I can paste you compilation output

13:13 <quinq>

13:13 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

13:16 <quinq> (with ./configure --with-boinc-platform=x86_64-pc-solaris --enable-pkg-client CXXFLAGS="-O3 -pipe -funroll-loops -fforce-addr -ffast-math")

13:18 <hawmps> there is no reason that config shouldn't work..

13:19 <hawmps> oh... --disable-server, --disable-unicode, IIRC

13:19 <quinq> Hum --enable-pkg-client should disable server, but let me try with --disable-unicode

13:26 <quinq> Same thing.

13:27 <quinq> Shouldn't I need boinc libs ?

13:31 <hawmps> libs should be included in the svn package

13:32 <hawmps> what is the fail error?

13:33 <quinq> line 148 on pastebin

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13:43 * CoderForLife looks in

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13:59 <Tank_Master> CFL!

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14:07 <quinq> Do you think I should try another branch ?

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14:27 <hawmps> looking at existing solaris binaries, there doesn't seem to be any 64bit, or projects that support it.

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14:28 <hawmps> but there is some info here:

14:28 <hawmps>

14:28 <Romulus> <> (at

14:29 <hawmps> Most of the Unix platforms names are what's generated by config.guess. But not all of them. If config.guess generates the wrong string, use the --with-boinc-platform=NAME option to configure.

14:29 <PovAddict> can solaris 64bit OS run solaris 32bit apps?

14:29 <hawmps> x86_64-pc-solaris, sparc64-sun-solaris

14:30 <hawmps> looks like it can

14:30 <PovAddict> then the solaris 64bit BOINC client should be built to report solaris 32bit as "alternate platform"

14:31 <hawmps> one would think..

14:31 <quinq> I used --with-boinc-platform= options, with x86_64-pc-solaris value

14:32 <quinq> I could try with i686

14:32 <hawmps> that might work

14:32 <PovAddict> quinq: use --with-boinc-platform=x86_64-pc-solaris --with-boinc-alt-platform=i686-pc-solaris

14:32 <quinq> Ok, PovAddict.

14:32 <quinq> Humm, I not sure tu understand what it means.

14:33 <quinq> Build host is x86_64 and target si i686 ?

14:33 <quinq> *is

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14:35 <PovAddict> no...

14:35 <PovAddict> 'target' only ever matters if you're compiling a compiler

14:36 <PovAddict> build and host should be whatever platform you're using (in fact, don't even pass --host or --build, they should be auto-detected)

14:36 <PovAddict> --with-boinc-platform simply changes what the BOINC client asks projects for

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14:38 <quinq> Ok I see.

14:42 <quinq> I still got same error.

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14:43 <quinq> ld: warning: file ../lib/.libs/libboinc.a ignored: unable to locate archive symbol table

14:43 <PovAddict> what error? I missed the last 3 hours of chat

14:43 <PovAddict> ah

14:43 <quinq> and file lib/.libs/libboinc.a returns

14:43 <quinq> lib/.libs/libboinc.a:current ar archive, not a dynamic executable or shared object

14:44 <quinq> ( for output )

14:44 <PovAddict> what code did you get, trunk?

14:44 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

14:44 <quinq> From trunk, yes.

14:45 <PovAddict> what about the part where it compiled lib?

14:45 <PovAddict> make -C lib clean all

14:45 <quinq> Err, I _autoconf, configure, and make.

14:46 <PovAddict> yes, but your "make" there only compiled the client, libboinc.a wasn't recompiled

14:48 <quinq> Now it says that it can't find libboinc.a

14:49 <quinq> I do ./configure --with-boinc-platform=x86_64-pc-solaris --with-boinc-alt-platform=i686-pc-solaris --enable-pkg-client CXXFLAGS="-O3 -pipe -funroll-loops -fforce-addr -ffast-math"

14:50 <PovAddict> just in case, after (or before!) running configure, always run "make clean"

14:50 <PovAddict> to make sure everything is recompiled with the new settings

14:50 <quinq> ok

14:50 <quinq> I usually make clean&&make distclean

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14:57 <PovAddict> can you pastebin what happens when compiling libboinc?

14:57 <PovAddict> or a full make (after a make clean)

14:58 <quinq> That's the pastebin I posted.

14:59 <PovAddict> that paste only showed the client directory being  compiled

14:59 <PovAddict> it never said: Entering directory `/home/quinq/BOINC/boinc/lib'

15:01 <quinq> Oh, so that would be my fault, I though that building client would build all necessary libs.

15:01 <PovAddict> you should run make from the top-level source directory

15:01 <quinq> That what I do.

15:02 <PovAddict> I don't know why it's not descending to lib then

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15:02 <PovAddict> testing here with trunk

15:02 <quinq> ok, thanks

15:03 <PovAddict> are you passing any --enable or --disable switch to configure?

15:04 <quinq> Only what I wrote you 10 minutes ago

15:04 <PovAddict> strange

15:04 <quinq> Indeed.

15:04 <PovAddict> let's try being explicit then: add --enable-client --enable-libraries --disable-server

15:04 <quinq> Ok.

15:05 <PovAddict> building the client failed for me, but that's because of a hack I did to my configure script :)

15:08 <quinq> Ok, It doesn't build either, but it says something else, xlocale.h missing, that's better. :)

15:08 <hawmps> --enable-X ??

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15:08 * PovAddict searches

15:09 <PovAddict> doesn't seem to be related to X, in fact...

15:09 * PovAddict checks who's using that file

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15:11 <quinq> Humm, xlocale.h is Xlocale.h under OpenSolaris.

15:11 <PovAddict> is it the same thing?

15:11 <quinq> I'm not sure.

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15:12 <quinq> But that's the only xlocate.h that I can find.

15:12 <PovAddict> looks like the #include can be safely ocmmented out (line 728 of lib/gui_rpc_client.h)

15:12 <PovAddict> the types it defines seem to be "private" anyway

15:12 <quinq> ok

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15:14 <hawmps> not even any google hits for "xlocate.h"

15:15 <PovAddict> locale

15:15 <PovAddict> (last quinq's message had a typo)

15:15 <hawmps> XLocate is an X Qt4 front-end to the standard Linux locate utilities. It allows for a more flexible and convenient search procedure through local and remote ...

15:15 <quinq> true, sorry about that

15:15 <hawmps> blah..blah...

15:16 <quinq> That seems better, still building

15:16 <PovAddict> "extended locale API", seems to be a BSD thing, BOINC seems to only use those functions on Mac

15:17 <hawmps> just found that one..

15:17 <hawmps>

15:17 <Romulus> <> (at

15:18 <hawmps> mac stuff

15:18 <quinq> hum, another error

15:18 <PovAddict> I have an xlocale.h but it doesn't have any of the functions documented in that page

15:19 <quinq>

15:19 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

15:21 <PovAddict> that's an actual bug, I'll report it

15:21 <hawmps> looks like it started with /usr/sfw/lib/ >> attempted multiple inclusion of file

15:22 <PovAddict> comment out res_init call in lib/network.cpp:208

15:22 <PovAddict> probably an extra library is needed for res_init

15:22 <hawmps> unless I'm looking at the wrong spot..

15:23 <hawmps> ..headed home... laterz...

15:23 <PovAddict> hawmps: there are a TON of linker warnings, I don't know if they're bad or not, we'll see if it crashes when he tries to run it :)

15:23 <quinq> Bye hawmps. :)

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15:23 <PovAddict> bye

15:24 <PovAddict> hey Rebirther

15:24 <Rebirther> hi povaddict

15:25 <quinq> Ok, it's builded

15:25 <quinq> let's launch it now. ^^

15:26 <quinq> SIGSEGV: segmentation violation

15:26 <quinq> ouch ^^

15:27 <PovAddict> nice start

15:27 <quinq>

15:27 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

15:27 <PovAddict> do you have gdb?

15:28 <quinq> I can get it. :)

15:30 <quinq>

15:30 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

15:32 <PovAddict> hmph

15:32 <PovAddict> you'll have to recompile with -g in CXXFLAGS in order to debug properly

15:41 <quinq>

15:41 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

15:42 <PovAddict> (gdb) up

15:42 <PovAddict> (gdb) print hw_addr

15:42 <quinq> $1 = (ether_addr *) 0x0

15:43 <PovAddict> what crap!

15:43 <quinq> Indeed.

15:44 <quinq> Would you like a ssh access to debug that ?

15:44 <PovAddict> it's like

15:44 <PovAddict> if we can use method 1, get hw_addr using method 1

15:44 <PovAddict> if we can use method 2, get hw_addr using method 2

15:44 <PovAddict> then, try to do something with hw_addr

15:45 <PovAddict> in your case, neither method 1 or 2 can be used, so hw_addr remains null, and then it *still* tries to do something with it

15:45 <quinq> try to do something withh NULL :/

15:45 <quinq> Yes.

15:45 <PovAddict> there's no null checking, and there's no "else, if no method can be used," clause

15:46 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if it will help, but try to use the 6.6 branch instead of trunk

15:46 <PovAddict> or a specific version

15:46 <PovAddict> svn switch

15:46 <Romulus> <> (at

15:47 <quinq> ok

15:47 <quinq> I have to go home, I'll try that in a few minutes

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16:44 <CoderForLife> greetings any and all

16:49 <PovAddict> my broken tooth feels weird

16:49 <PovAddict> feels *cold*

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16:53 <Jackygrahamez> hi

16:54 <Jackygrahamez> this wrapper is having some issues

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17:06 <Tank_Master> howdy jack

17:12 <Jackygrahamez> hey tank

17:13 <Jackygrahamez> strang issue with gromacs when I run it on tiger...its not taking the command line arguments...wondering if I need to freeshen up the wrapper app

17:20 <PovAddict> I haven't dissected that app of yours yet :)

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17:20 <PovAddict> MT!

17:21 <MTughan> Took me a little while longer than thought... :P

17:21 * CoderForLife works on some SQL tuning

17:25 * CoderForLife adjusts the chat room Ignore setting

17:25 <CoderForLife> re-hi

17:27 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:27 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:27 <CoderForLife> Hi Michael!

17:27 <CoderForLife> Hi Doug!

17:27 <wdsmia> *lo Don, Michael

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17:28 <CoderForLife> hi bot

17:28 <MTughan> Oops...

17:28 <CoderForLife> bot?!

17:28 <MTughan> wdsmia: Give me a second.

17:28 <CoderForLife> lol

17:28 <CoderForLife> hurry

17:28 <MTughan> TSPer: part

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17:28 <CoderForLife> whew

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17:30 <PovAddict> should've said &part

17:30 <PovAddict> faster :)

17:31 <xcamel> 'lo again

17:31 <CoderForLife> hi

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17:33 <MTughan_> Holy crap, that was annoying... Disconnected 4 minutes ago, couldn't reconnect until now.

17:33 <xcamel> and you grew a tail...

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17:34 <MTughan> Because apparently, I disconnected from Freenode, but Freenode didn't detect it.

17:34 <PovAddict> my version of Konversation is pretty bad in that aspect

17:36 <xcamel> 1.0.1?

17:36 <PovAddict> yup

17:37 <PovAddict> if IRC connection dies silently, that is, it just stops responding because of network problems but doesn't really reset the TCP connection, it takes me a long time to reconnect

17:37 <PovAddict> because to reconnect, I have to disconnect first

17:37 <xcamel> yup

17:37 <MTughan> Not that. I could attempt reconnect immediately.

17:37 <PovAddict> and file -> disconnect sends a QUIT to the server and *waits for a reply*

17:38 <MTughan> I just had 6-7 timeouts on Freenode IRC servers.

17:38 <PovAddict> instead of forcefully killing it

17:38 <PovAddict> so I have to wait a whole 2 minutes of ping timeout, or close the server tab

17:38 <PovAddict> apparently konversation 1.1 fixes the problem

17:42 <xcamel> possibly

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18:28 <quinq> PovAddict: It seems to work with 6.6.28 branch. :)

18:28 <xcamel> did it compile?

18:29 <quinq> And running

18:29 <xcamel> great!

18:29 <quinq> Yes. :)

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18:35 <CoderForLife> finally - an appropriate pigeon perch -

18:35 <Romulus> Title: Senate To Vote On Al Gore Statue - Nashville News Story - WSMV Nashville (at

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18:40 <xcamel> 17,000 lbs of carbon to cast a clown figure.

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18:49 <CoderForLife> maybe some carbon can be sequestrated inside it

18:53 <xcamel> just leave Al inside the mold during the pour.

19:04 <xcamel> another munchkin gone - only 2 left now.

19:04 <xcamel> Andy Carroll - RIP

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19:07 <xcamel> 'lo Jack

19:10 <Nickuwo> where can i find out what create_work returns?

19:12 <CoderForLife> I'd support that sequestration

19:13 * PovAddict got ssh public key authentication working

19:14 <CoderForLife> what was your password again?

19:14 <CoderForLife> nm

19:14 <PovAddict> now I can ssh from my iPod touch to my computer without having to type my mega-long computer password on that tiny keyboard

19:14 * CoderForLife finishes e-mail to Mom

19:15 <PovAddict> and I could tell you the ssh key passphrase...

19:15 <PovAddict> you wouldn't be able to use it without also stealing my ipod anyway :)

19:15 <CoderForLife> that would be a long reach

19:15 <PovAddict> something you have + something you know

19:16 <PovAddict> something I'd like to have is:

19:16 <CoderForLife> and/or something you are

19:16 <PovAddict> $ sudo apt-get install package

19:16 <PovAddict> [sudo] please put your thumb in the fingerprint reader:

19:17 * CoderForLife gets out his knife

19:17 <PovAddict> :O

19:18 <xcamel> sure that isn't really a cigar cutter?

19:18 <CoderForLife> that's in Chicago

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19:20 <CoderForLife> I'm too tired to do the builds and deployments of my new app version

19:20 <xcamel> or 1600 PA Ave

19:20 <CoderForLife> one and the same, xcamel

19:20 <xcamel> sad but true

19:20 <CoderForLife> indeed

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19:20 <CoderForLife> I'm going to beam up

19:21 <CoderForLife> gn folks

19:23 <xcamel> laterz

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19:28 <Nickuwo> indefined reference to read_file_malloc

19:28 <Nickuwo> undefined even...

19:30 <PovAddict> make sure you ran make on the top-level boinc dir and not just inside 'sched'

19:30 <PovAddict> so that lib is recompiled (there were recent changes)

19:31 <Nickuwo> ok

19:36 <xcamel> NanPo - "Liar, Liar, Face on FIRE!!"

19:42 <Tank_Master> lol

19:48 <xcamel> at least now there is proof.

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20:03 <BrandonWilson> hi

20:03 <BrandonWilson> I have a problem connecting to my boinc client through the boinc manager in linux

20:04 <BrandonWilson> any suggestions?

20:04 <PovAddict> what linux distro?

20:05 <BrandonWilson> opensuse

20:05 <BrandonWilson> it's running on an ibm eserver

20:05 <PovAddict> I'm completely unfamiliar with it

20:05 <PovAddict> did you install BOINC through suse package manager?

20:05 <BrandonWilson> yes

20:05 <BrandonWilson> it reports that boinc-client is running

20:06 <BrandonWilson> though i can't figure out how to get the gui to connect to it

20:06 <BrandonWilson> i tried connecting to localhost with my password and the root password and that failed

20:06 <PovAddict> the password is a BOINC-specific authentication, not using your system accounts

20:07 <BrandonWilson> I don't recall setting that password, what's the default password?

20:07 <PovAddict> there is usually no "default password"; it depends on what the suse package does

20:08 <xcamel> allow-remote-gui-rpc enabled?

20:08 <PovAddict> this is all local

20:09 <xcamel> sorry, read it wrong.

20:09 <PovAddict> BrandonWilson: do you have a /etc/boinc-client or /etc/boinc?

20:09 <PovAddict> I have no idea where the suse boinc package puts things so I'm just guessing

20:10 <BrandonWilson> it is /etc/init.d/boinc-client

20:10 <xcamel> start it using the run_boincmgr script. remember to modify it for your system

20:10 <PovAddict> BrandonWilson: I meant a /etc/boinc-client *directory* with more config files inside

20:11 <PovAddict> what about /var/lib/boinc or /var/lib/boinc-client?

20:11 <BrandonWilson> yes there is a /var/lib/boinc

20:12 <BrandonWilson> which contains some xml files

20:12 <PovAddict> is there a gui_rpc_auth.cfg in there?

20:12 <BrandonWilson> yep

20:12 <PovAddict> what are its permissions?

20:12 <PovAddict> ls -l gui_rpc_auth.cfg

20:13 <BrandonWilson> root owns it

20:13 <BrandonWilson> 1 root root 32

20:13 <BrandonWilson> read and write

20:13 <PovAddict> only root can read and write?

20:13 <PovAddict> -rw-------?

20:14 <BrandonWilson> yep

20:14 <PovAddict> hmm

20:14 <PovAddict> ps aux | grep boinc

20:14 <PovAddict> what user is BOINC running as?

20:14 <BrandonWilson> the client is running as root

20:14 <PovAddict> that's quite bad :/

20:15 <BrandonWilson> i'm a linux noob

20:15 <BrandonWilson> i can manage servers and that's it

20:15 <PovAddict> the init script should be running it as another user, that suse package seems wrong if it runs boinc as root

20:16 <PovAddict> did the client start automatically after you installed it?

20:16 <BrandonWilson> no i started it

20:16 <BrandonWilson> it wouldn't start up using my account

20:16 <PovAddict> what command did you use to start it?

20:16 <BrandonWilson> sudo /etc/init.d/boinc-client start

20:17 <BrandonWilson> brb

20:38 <kathryn_> The init.d script runs the BOINC client as root!!! (Did I just hear someone

20:38 <kathryn_> scream?)

20:38 <kathryn_> You're kidding me, right?

20:39 *** kathryn_ is now known as KathrynM

20:39 <PovAddict> look ten lines above in #boinc

20:39 <Tank_Master> KM!

20:39 <KathrynM> what was that packager thinking?

20:39 <Tank_Master> p0rn

20:40 <PovAddict> probably the kind of admin who solves any permission problem with "chmod -R 777"

20:40 <KathrynM> admittedly, I don't know much.  But I do know that's a BAD idea

20:40 <xcamel> p0rn@home

20:40 <KathrynM> yeah, when in doubt just let everyone access/write it

20:40 * KathrynM shakes head

20:40 <Tank_Master> id sign up for that

20:40 <KathrynM> oh well.  Off to the germ factory

20:40 <Tank_Master> hf :)

20:40 <xcamel> good luck..

20:40 <KathrynM> thanks.  I'll need it

20:41 <Tank_Master> hehe

21:00 <MTughan> 0777 perms aren't always bad, but for BOINC, you definitely don't want to run as root.

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21:10 <MTughan> 'lo SolitonWave

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21:10 <MTughan> Or not.

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21:11 <xcamel> or maby

21:11 <MTughan> 'lo SolitonWave

21:11 <SolitonWave> Hi MTughan

21:11 <MTughan> He's alive!

21:11 * MTughan runs for the hills

21:12 <SolitonWave> Yes

21:12 <SolitonWave> :)

21:12 * SolitonWave s

21:12 <MTughan> Heh, nice.

21:19 <xcamel> bubble futz

21:19 <SolitonWave> I can't find any discussion about installing BOINC on a flash drive at SETI's website

21:21 <xcamel> use the instant boinc builds at

21:22 <xcamel> especially in *nix

21:23 <MTughan> SolitonWave: Why do you want to use BOINC on a flash drive?

21:23 <SolitonWave> To carry the program with me and run it on nice computers that I have the privilage of using

21:24 <MTughan> Yeah, because BOINC isn't really meant to work that was, as is.

21:24 <MTughan> It's been designed to work on one computer only.

21:25 <MTughan> I suppose it's possible you could put it on a flash drive for portability, and I could probably help you with that, but just letting you know that.

21:26 <PovAddict> it may cause problems

21:27 <PovAddict> for example, if you crunch a bit on an Intel CPU and some more on an AMD CPU, you may cause errors

21:27 <MTughan> Like the fact that BOINC stores benchmarks and stats for the computer?

21:27 <PovAddict> different floating point rounding, etc

21:27 <MTughan> Ah, yeah, even in individual applications.

21:27 <SolitonWave> Do you think it would be hard to copy the program to a flash drive, run it on different computers, then copy it back to the original computer for uploading the results?

21:27 <SolitonWave> hmm

21:28 <MTughan> No, but you might run into problems.

21:28 <MTughan> To set up, probably not hard. To get it to work right? Probably hit and miss.

21:28 <PovAddict> it may work if you crunch projects that *don't* use "homogeneous redundancy", and if you always use the same computer for uploading

21:29 <SolitonWave> Well... I don't want errors in the data after running the program for hundreds of hours

21:29 <PovAddict> due to the nature of floating-point numbers, there are always "errors"; thing is you have to make errors the same way as everyone else for your work to be valid :)

21:32 <PovAddict> gross simplification: suppose Intel always does operation X by rounding up, and AMD rounds down; on projects where that matters, once a copy of a workunit is sent to an Intel CPU, all the other copies are sent only to Intel CPUs too, so they can be compared to each other to see if they are valid

21:32 <PovAddict> but if you run on Intel, then suspend it and continue running on AMD, the final numbers will be different from everybody's result

21:33 <SolitonWave> hmm

21:33 <PovAddict> in practice, there are even differences between Pentium III and Pentium IV

21:33 <SolitonWave> I guess I won't bother instaling the program on a flash drive

21:33 <PovAddict> however, note that not all projects are so sensitive to minor floating-point differences

21:34 <PovAddict> some don't even use floating-point numbers

21:34 <MTughan> Integer projects should be better off, right?

21:34 <SolitonWave> I am mainly interested in SETI, but have been running the climate prediction client for a while

21:34 <PovAddict> some use them in ways that errors don't accumulate, so the final result is very similar

21:34 <MTughan> I'm fairly sure both are floating-point projects.

21:34 <SolitonWave> Distributed Net uses integer math

21:34 <MTughan> ABC@home uses integers too.

21:35 <PovAddict> the problem is if minor round-off differences accumulate over time

21:35 <MTughan> If you're looking for projects on BOINC, look at yoyo@home.

21:35 * SolitonWave pokes Ageless in the eye with a carrot stick

21:35 <PovAddict> &grab SolitonWave

21:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

21:35 <MTughan> &quotegrabs search SolitonWave

21:35 <Romulus> MTughan: #42: * SolitonWave pokes Ageless in the eye...

21:36 <PovAddict> SolitonWave: what OS were you interested in using?

21:36 <SolitonWave> Mostly Windows XP

21:36 <MTughan> Does BOINC use the registry?

21:37 <SolitonWave> This computer I am using has Vista

21:37 <PovAddict> BOINC 6.x requires quite a special setup of user accounts, you can't use it without running the installer

21:37 <SolitonWave> I plan to install FreeBSD on my next computer

21:38 <PovAddict> to make a "Portable BOINC" would need code changes

21:38 <PovAddict> at least for Windows

21:44 <xcamel> just watch out for FreeSTD

21:44 <SolitonWave> 235 hours to completion and the deadline is August 29  :(

21:45 <Nickuwo> hey MTughan, i might need you to remake those apps :) sry

21:45 <PovAddict> SolitonWave: so? that's only 10 days left

21:45 <MTughan> Lost them?

21:45 <Nickuwo> nah, made a change

21:45 <ELGono> yo dudes i was looking for a c++ profiler ... but forgot the name ... used a tiny one

21:45 <MTughan> Ah, okay.

21:45 <ELGono> intel vtune is just to big

21:45 <Nickuwo> so they run longer, 5 mins wouldve illed my db

21:45 <ELGono> for windows

21:46 <PovAddict> ELGono: valgrind --tool=callgrind appl-- er, for Windows?

21:46 <Nickuwo> whenever youre not busy, no rush, thanks again :)

21:46 <PovAddict> you're out of luck then :)

21:46 <Nickuwo> I thanked ya on the main page if that's any colsolation :)

21:46 <MTughan> I've got time.

21:46 <MTughan> Seriously, my only plans for tonight are to talk on IRC. xD

21:46 <ELGono> hehe valgrind came into our mind first, too ;)

21:46 <PovAddict> gprof? :)

21:46 <ELGono> but than, damn, we're on windows hehe

21:46 <Nickuwo> sweet, I'll email ya the source sometime tonight prolly

21:47 <Nickuwo> hah nice

21:47 <PovAddict> seemed to suck all the times I tried it

21:47 <Tank_Master> howdy nick

21:47 <Nickuwo> hey Tank, whats the woird?

21:47 <Tank_Master> dinner time

21:47 <Nickuwo> mmm

21:47 <Tank_Master> ill bbl :P

21:47 <Nickuwo> l8r!

21:49 <xcamel> laterz also..

21:49 <ELGono> laterz jay

21:54 <ELGono> PovAddict: LTProf was the one i was looking for

21:54 <ELGono> we increased laster tagging from 32 to 60 fps so far

21:55 <ELGono> -t

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22:19 * SolitonWave yawns at his computer I thought for a moment I was using a 486 machine, but realised it was a 1.86 GHz machine with Windows Vista

22:19 <PovAddict> &grab SolitonWave

22:19 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

22:19 <SolitonWave> hmm

22:20 <MTughan> I like my 3.26GHz quad with Win7. :D

22:20 <SolitonWave> I've heard of Windows 7

22:20 <MTughan> Yes, was updated to Release Candidate recently, released to the public on Tuesday.

22:21 <MTughan> Should be out by September, October. Best date we have ATM is October 23.

22:21 <SolitonWave> I don't plan to buy further WIndows upgrades

22:22 <MTughan> It's a worthy upgrade from Vista RTM, and probably from SP1 too. I'd be more hesitant from XP, and I haven't tried Vista SP2.

22:22 <SolitonWave> I have Service Pack 1

22:22 <MTughan> I don't think SP2 is released yet, but it's nearing completion.

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22:25 <MTughan> Wikipedia says Vista SP2 has been RTM'd, but I don't believe it's been pushed to Windows Update yet.

22:31 <SolitonWave> Hmm...

22:31 <Romulus> <> (at

22:36 * SolitonWave hugs everyone running BOINC and goes home

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23:47 <efc> moo

23:48 <MTughan> 'lo e

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