IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-05-14

00:34 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

00:34 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 61.5°F / 16.4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1003.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 1.5mph / 2.4km/h ; Overnight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms late this evening...then showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 60s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 40 mph. Chance of rain (2 more messages)

00:34 <CoderForLife> &more

00:34 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 70 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Breezy with highs in the lower 70s. Southwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph...becoming northwest 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy with a (1 more message)

00:35 <CoderForLife> &more

00:35 <Romulus> CoderForLife: slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

00:41 <efc> moo cfl

00:42 <PovAddict> moo

00:43 <PovAddict> (why moo?)

01:02 <efc> long story

01:03 <PovAddict> o_o?

01:03 <Romulus> It has been said that o_o is ~450MB total, PovAddict

01:04 <CoderForLife> moo efc

01:04 <CoderForLife> moo too yoo too PovAddict

01:05 <PovAddict> i should be sleeping

01:05 <CoderForLife> about time to try sleeping again 4 me also

01:05 <CoderForLife> slept from 7 to 12

01:05 <CoderForLife> been up 1 hour

01:05 <PovAddict> ircaholism

01:06 <CoderForLife> perhaps

01:06 <CoderForLife> Codeism

01:06 <CoderForLife> newsism

01:06 <CoderForLife> radarism

01:06 <CoderForLife> leftthelightonism

01:06 <CoderForLife> all contributing factors

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01:55 <Pip> Hello, does "WorldCommunityGrid" also uses boinc platform ?

01:55 <MTughan> Pip: Yes, World Community Grid uses BOINC.

01:56 <Pip> I found that its version is very old, 6.2.15 on linux

01:56 <MTughan> Actually, that's not "old".

01:56 <Pip> Why don't use deploy the latest boinc ?

01:56 <MTughan> Because 6.3.x and later only really introduced GPU support, which WCG doesn't support.

01:57 <Pip> what does GPU support mean ?

01:57 <MTughan> I just set up two new installations of Windows 7 here, and I installed 6.2.x on them.

01:57 <MTughan> Means that you can use a Nvidia GPU to crunch some projects.

01:58 <Pip> Then looks like I don't need boinc 6.3+ since I don't have a nVidia card

01:58 <MTughan> Nope, and the 6.2 series had the best schedulers of them all.

01:59 <Pip> thanks

01:59 <MTughan> Actually, 5.10.x had the best schedulers, but 6.2.x was the most recent ones that had good schedulers.

01:59 <Pip> You are so professional

01:59 <MTughan> No, I just watch out for information. :)

02:25 <Tank_Master> heh

02:25 <Tank_Master> ever think you spend to much time here?

02:25 <MTughan> Who cares?

02:25 <Tank_Master> lol

02:33 <FreeLarry58> humm anyone got a good suggestion for rmvb to avi convertion software - hopefully free or shareware

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02:35 <MTughan> rmvb? Never heard of it.

02:36 <Tank_Master> real media?

02:36 <FreeLarry58> yeah i think so

02:36 <MTughan> Ah, so it is...

02:36 <MTughan> You can try ffmpeg.

02:36 <FreeLarry58> some sort of video compression

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02:36 <Tank_Master> yeah, sue the bastard using RM

02:36 <FreeLarry58> tried ffmpeg - didn't play or convert

02:37 <MTughan> mencoder?

02:37 <FreeLarry58> haven't heard of that one

02:37 <FreeLarry58> tried to find using yum search and nothing found worked

02:37 <MTughan> mencoder is the encoder that uses the same libraries as mplayer.

02:37 <Tank_Master> I use shark's007 codec pack for all my needs

02:37 <Tank_Master> but its for windows only

02:38 <FreeLarry58> yeah i think i'm going to have to use windows for conversion process

02:39 <FreeLarry58> saw some put limited usage then most want 30 or moe for activation/registration

02:42 <Tank_Master> yeah, I hate those

02:42 <FreeLarry58> same

02:42 <FreeLarry58> most time after activation it still doesn't do what you think it was going to do

02:43 <Tank_Master> yep

02:43 <FreeLarry58> so now don't even bother trying them

02:44 <FreeLarry58> dang 3 full days of installing updates on vista ultimate and still 10 packs to go

02:44 <Tank_Master> wtf r u installing it on?

02:44 <Tank_Master> 486?

02:45 <Tank_Master> took me only about 3h on my atom to get it all updated

02:46 <FreeLarry58> e6750 p5q machine with 1.5TB hd space 4 gig memory - problem appears to be that vista u didn't recognize a nvidia 8500 card on install and went with minimal svga driver -- lots of memory used by it for screen output

02:46 <FreeLarry58> using 4gig + for memory all the time

02:46 <MTughan> Vista doesn't recognize any video cards on install AFAIK.

02:46 <Tank_Master> it will

02:47 <Tank_Master> but the nvidia driver that comes with it is old now

02:47 <FreeLarry58> that appears to be true - one of the updates was for the correct video driver

02:48 <FreeLarry58> have already dl'ed the new driver from gigabyte for card just waiting till i can run it on the vista machine

02:48 <Tank_Master> id get it from nvidia's site

02:48 <Tank_Master> could be newer

02:48 <FreeLarry58> true but want to see if i can get the other software also

02:48 <Tank_Master> ah

02:49 <FreeLarry58> then nvidia drivers

02:49 <FreeLarry58> so maybe cuda?

02:49 <Tank_Master> what about it?

02:50 <FreeLarry58> don't know if that card supports it or not but hope so

02:50 <Tank_Master> it should

02:50 <Tank_Master> I think all 8xxx do

02:50 <MTughan> I'll look it up.

02:50 <FreeLarry58> if so maybe can do gpugrid then

02:50 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:50 <MTughan> 8500GT is supported.

02:51 <Tank_Master> "I told ya so"

02:51 <FreeLarry58> it will be slow i know

02:51 <MTughan> The 8400GS is the lowest 8xxx card supported. Don't know if there's others under that.

02:51 <Tank_Master> no 295, thats for sure :P

02:52 <FreeLarry58> yeah didn't have a few hundred to throw at video card

02:52 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:52 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:53 <Tank_Master> I think I aught to go to bed

02:53 <FreeLarry58> ah another 20 minutes and i let the i7 talk to the internet again to get some work for boinc

02:53 <Tank_Master> gn ye all

02:53 <FreeLarry58> &nn Tank_Master

02:53 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

02:53 <Tank_Master> you got an i7?

02:53 <Tank_Master> nice

02:54 <FreeLarry58> a 940

02:55 <FreeLarry58> like looking at 8 wu's working at a time

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03:11 <pip_> which medical project is recommended to be contributed ?

03:11 <pip_> *to^

03:12 <MTughan> In WCG?

03:12 <pip_> yeah

03:13 <MTughan> I don't think any one is recommended over the other. You can just choose based on which research you want to support.

03:13 <pip_> I have just installed BOINC

03:14 <pip_> Is run_manager the correct program to start boinc ?

03:15 <MTughan> Yep.

03:16 <MTughan> That'll start the manager, which should connect to the core client.

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03:22 <MTughan> Holy crap... Lenovo offers a 25-pack of 1GB DDR3-1066 RAM modules for their notebooks.

03:22 <MTughan> $500 USD.

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03:36 <FreeLarry58> 20 apiece sounds about right now MTughan

03:36 <FreeLarry58> to bad it wont fit in a desktop

03:51 <pip> MTughan, How to add WCG into boinc ?

03:52 <MTughan> pip: You have an account on WCG now?

03:52 <pip> yeah

03:52 <MTughan> Are you using the simple view or the advanced view?

03:52 <pip> Simple

03:53 <MTughan> Can you go to the advanced view, at least for now? I'm not sure you can add a project in simple view.

03:53 <pip> okay

03:54 <MTughan> In the menus... Tools->Attach to Project (or something like that), and another window will pop up.

03:54 <pip> then add the URL into the "add a project" dialog window ?

03:54 <MTughan> yep.

03:54 <MTughan> You'll enter your email address and password, and it'll be added.

03:55 <pip> wait

03:55 <MTughan> I'm not going anywhere. ;)

03:56 <pip> connection failure

03:57 <MTughan> Anything else it says?

04:02 <pip> No, I will figure out why the network access is so slow here

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04:10 <MTughan> Sure it is.

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06:10 * CoderForLife groans

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06:25 <hawmps> spork:,,

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06:49 <Pip> MTughan, So in the simple view of BOINC, the add project button won't get WCG added successfully ?

06:51 <Pip> Sounds weird, but it really behaves that way

06:58 <CoderForLife> looks like I slipped through a hole in the storm front

07:00 <CoderForLife> thx for the sporks, hawmps

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07:15 <hawmps> you got lucky then...

07:15 <CoderForLife> indeed - just steady rain, while I w@#% at home

07:24 <Pip> Anyone here running BOINC for WCG ?

07:24 <hawmps> not I

07:24 <Pip> Why not ?

07:25 <Pip> I got network communication failure all the time

07:25 <hawmps> not interested in wcg, frankly.

07:25 <Pip> Any ideas ?

07:26 <hawmps> their server is overloaded

07:26 <Pip> That means WCG is very popular ?

07:26 <hawmps> in some circles

07:26 <Pip> How many people are there running boinc around the world ?

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07:37 <hawmps> a couple hundred thousand

07:38 <Pip> I see

07:38 <Pip> Not that many as I imagined

07:49 <hawmps> could be more... not something I track really.

07:51 <Pip> hawmps, is it recommended to use BOINC 6.3- ?

07:54 <Pip> the client keeps network communication failure

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08:28 <desti>

08:28 <Romulus> <> (at

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08:34 <Pip> Romulus, is world community grid accessible ?

08:34 <Romulus> Pip: Are you daft?

08:35 <Pip> Romulus, I don't know

08:35 <Romulus> Pip: Are you daft?

08:35 <Pip> Romulus, Are you bot ?

08:35 <Romulus> Pip: Are you daft?

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10:32 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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10:56 <hawmps> grrrr...

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11:52 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news May 14, 2009

12:05 <CoderForLife> off to the off-ice - laterz

12:24 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news May 14, 2009

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13:27 <FreeLarry58> morn

13:29 <FreeLarry58> ugg seems like ither vista didn't remove all of fedora10 or its really a hog of memort and hd -- hd says 163 gig already used with nothing but vista and its updates

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13:30 <SJr|Work> How can I get Boinc to start without restarting my computer?

13:30 <FreeLarry58> linux?

13:30 <SJr|Work> no a windows server

13:30 <FreeLarry58> restart service

13:30 <FreeLarry58> don't know the commands for it tho

13:31 <PovAddict> SJr|Work: log out and back in

13:31 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: after installing BOINC 6.x, it asks for a reboot

13:31 <FreeLarry58> ahh

13:31 <PovAddict> SJr|Work: the truth is you don't need a reboot, you just have to logout and login; but it was decided it was easier to tell people to reboot

13:31 <SJr|Work> PovAddict Yeah I figured as much

13:32 <PovAddict> SJr|Work: the installer creates a new group, then adds your user account to that group

13:32 <SJr|Work> Oh so that's the problem

13:32 <PovAddict> user groups take effect on login

13:32 <SJr|Work> Nope that didn't work

13:32 <SJr|Work> BOINC Manager: A reboot is required in order for BOINC to run properly. Please reboot your computer and try again.

13:32 <PovAddict> ah I know what's up

13:33 <PovAddict> the installer creates a file, and marks it to be deleted on *reboot*; the manager checks if that file exists to show the message

13:33 <yoyo[RKN]> &coffee

13:33 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

13:33 <SJr|Work> PovAddict what's the file?

13:33 <SJr|Work> RebootPending.txt?

13:33 <PovAddict> RebootPending.txt

13:33 <PovAddict> yes

13:34 <PovAddict> if you delete that file but don't at least logout/login, you'll get stranger errors because you aren't in the group :)

13:34 <SJr|Work> Even if I'm admin?

13:35 <PovAddict> well, if you aren't admin, you won't be able to even run BOINC installer...

13:35 <SJr|Work> Ah

13:35 <SJr|Work> Hmmmm

13:35 <SJr|Work> what is this astropulse?

13:35 <SJr|Work> I only signed up for the Seti@Home stuff.

13:35 <FreeLarry58> seti

13:35 <SJr|Work> it's been a few years

13:35 <SJr|Work> hmmmm weird

13:35 <PovAddict> &learn Astropulse as

13:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

13:36 <FreeLarry58> yup havent seen a normal wu from seti for a while they doing astropulse wu's now - thier long

13:37 <SJr|Work> 360 hours?

13:37 <SJr|Work> wow

13:37 <SJr|Work> Ah there is a documentation error on that page

13:38 <SJr|Work> It says the max time for a task is both 14 days, and 22.5 days

13:39 <FreeLarry58> have mine set for lowest share and it takes about 10 days for me to report one in

13:39 <FreeLarry58> anywhere from 68 hrs to 120 hrs on my machines

13:54 <FreeLarry58> oh what a tangled web of deciept the pols have made for taxes

13:55 <FreeLarry58> they say they keep thier promise of not raising taxes in the state - but heres an example of not raising taxes

13:55 <FreeLarry58> tobacco taxes were raised by feds - during the last tax crunch the state tied the taxes they collect on tobacco to fed rate after they first raised it

13:56 <FreeLarry58> so now as feds raised thier bite - a pound of tobacco goes from 24 usd to 70 usd with no change to cost of material -- only taxes to feds and state

13:57 <FreeLarry58> ouch 44+gig of system error logs?

14:00 <FreeLarry58> well that should take me to 88 gigs for vista install

14:01 <FreeLarry58> ahh shadow versions - ie system restores

14:06 * FreeLarry58 dislikes vista disk defrager as no feedback as to what is going on

14:06 * Tank_Master agrees

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14:44 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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14:50 <PovAddict> &ping

14:50 <Romulus> pong

14:51 <SJr|Work> credit is not based on cpu time right, it's based on scaled/normalized CPU time right?

14:51 <SJr|Work> i.e. 100 hours on a 386 != 100 hours on Big Blue.

14:52 <hawmps> that's their story anyway....

14:52 <PovAddict> correct

14:52 <PovAddict> in theory, if you run a task on a computer and it takes 100 hours

14:53 <PovAddict> and you run it on a half-speed computer and it takes 200 hours

14:53 <PovAddict> they'll get the same credits

14:53 <PovAddict> in theory, practice and theory are the same; in practice, they're not

14:54 <hawmps> in other words.. they have no friggin idea.

14:57 <Tank_Master> huh

14:57 <Tank_Master> looks like server 2008 R2 RC is 64bit only

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14:59 <SJr|Work> I wonder how well a Core i7 will work

15:08 <hawmps> they generally do well..

15:09 <hawmps> CUDA devices do many times better though

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15:16 <FreeLarry58> SJr|Work heres an i7 940 on seti

15:16 <Romulus> <> (at

15:17 <SJr|Work> Really so I should get a CUDA video card

15:18 <FreeLarry58> and ap unit done by it - sorry no cuda on that machine

15:18 <Romulus> <> (at

15:19 <FreeLarry58> i cant afford most of the ones that you need to keep up with the maniacs

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15:20 <FreeLarry58> i think a 295 is the lowest you can go if you want your credit to count due to all the faster cards out there

15:21 <FreeLarry58> an 8400  has no chance at all - the deadline dates are to short and reissue to faster card normally invalidates your time and effort as the reissue gets back before yours gets in

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15:55 <xcamel> re-hi

15:56 <PovAddict> damn, this stuff is strong

15:56 <Romulus> <> (at

15:56 <PovAddict> &web title [url last]

15:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: YouTube - Natural Hallucinogen

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16:19 <Nickuwo> oh snap, ramsey is up and running

16:26 <Nickuwo> and completely shitting on my bandwidth...

16:26 <wdsmia> asks Nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

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17:05 <Tank_Master> lol

17:05 <Tank_Master> having fun are we nick?

17:06 <Nickuwo> hehe :)

17:07 <Nickuwo> always

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17:19 <CoderForLife> home again

17:20 <Tank_Master> wh cfl

17:30 <CoderForLife> thx

17:30 <CoderForLife> just reading the antics of the Misspeaker of the House

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17:36 <Nickuwo> hmm, can I get an ifstream from boinc_fopen somehow?

17:37 <Nickuwo> stupid c and c++ mixing...

17:37 <PovAddict> no

17:37 <PovAddict> but just use

17:37 <PovAddict> boinc_fopen deals with edge cases really

17:37 <Nickuwo> ok

17:38 <PovAddict> (Unix) getting a signal while opening a file, or (Windows) an antivirus program having a file locked (to analyze it) right when you want to open it

17:38 <MTughan> Just got myself an OCZ Throttle... Big sucker.

17:38 <Romulus> <> (at

17:38 <CoderForLife> bbiab

17:38 <MTughan> But it tested fast, and it's a good size.

17:39 <Nickuwo> monster

17:39 <MTughan> It's an eSATA flash drive. :D

17:40 <Tank_Master> hows that any better than usb?

17:41 <MTughan> Because eSATA can transfer about 10x as fast as USB at top speed.

17:41 <Tank_Master> ah

17:41 <MTughan> USB drives can hit about 53MB/s ideally, and about 33MB/s in practice (or so the Ars article says).

17:41 <Tank_Master> but flash is noonwere near the top speed of USB yet

17:41 <MTughan> This drive, using eSATA hit 90MB/s read.

17:42 <Tank_Master> I have never seen a USB copy at 33MB/s

17:42 <Tank_Master> more like 5MB/s at times

17:42 <MTughan> The difference between read and write, and random and sequential.

17:42 <MTughan> Here's the article if you're interested:

17:42 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:16 <xcamel> hmmm...

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21:44 <MTughan> Haha... Forum review on what compounds you can use as TIM if you've run out of actual TIM.

21:44 <Romulus> <> (at

21:46 <efc> I've used some kind of oil before, can't remember exactly but a heavy mineral one I think

21:53 <PovAddict> raspberry preserves "Upon removal it was clear that it would take the next half hour to remove the caked on red concrete that had formed."

21:54 <PovAddict> LOL @ first reply

21:55 <MTughan> The nobel prize one?

21:55 <PovAddict> yeah

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22:31 <MTughan> I just hope I don't have to take this cooler back... Had to cut a piece of plastic out of the case to stick between the cooler and the videocard to keep the former from touching the latter.

22:50 <zombie67> Hi MT

22:50 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

22:50 <zombie67> looks like another project needs some advise for building on leopard, for Tiger and Panther

22:50 <zombie67>

22:50 <Romulus> <> (at

22:50 <MTughan> DD@Home?

22:50 <zombie67> yep

22:50 <MTughan> Yeah, Pov already pointed me to it.

22:50 <zombie67> heh

22:51 <zombie67> do you have an account?

22:51 <MTughan> No.

22:51 <zombie67> I can ask them to give you one if you like

22:51 <MTughan> Well, the admin is jackygrahamez, right?

22:51 <zombie67> yep

22:51 <zombie67> also Alinator

22:52 <MTughan> I can always give him advice in #boinc-dev.

22:52 <zombie67> no

22:52 <zombie67> Ageless

22:52 <MTughan> #boinc_dev *

22:53 <zombie67> good enough

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