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00:54 <CoderForLife> sleep is overrated
00:54 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
00:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 65.3°F / 18.5°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Saturday - Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms. Humid with highs in (1 more message)
00:54 <CoderForLife> &more
00:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the mid 70s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming west in the afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Much cooler. Lows in the mid 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tornado Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 2:00 AM EDT on May 16, 2009;
00:55 <efc> Share the Land
00:55 <CoderForLife> moo
00:56 <CoderForLife> Had to get up and participate in the tornado watch. Orders from Wash DC...
00:57 * CoderForLife falls into his place in the goose-stepping chorus line
00:59 <efc> Watch the Tornado
01:04 * CoderForLife sets up his ACME Detector/Deflector Dish
01:12 <efc> Shields are Down here
01:13 * CoderForLife plugs his ZPM into the warp core to warm up the FTL drives
01:17 * CoderForLife works while listening to "All Along The Watchtower"
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01:22 <CoderForLife> efc TNG?
01:23 <efc3> New and Improved
01:24 <CoderForLife> nice
01:33 <Tank_Master> LOL CFL
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01:52 <efc3> Great phrase: beaver poutine Mulrouny
01:53 <CoderForLife> OK - dropped a WU that was having problems assimilating the canonical result
01:53 <CoderForLife> back to bed
01:53 * CoderForLife waves
01:57 <efc3> night
02:16 <ELGono> mooo
02:16 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany
02:16 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 49Â°F / 9Â°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM CEST; Unknown. High:60 ° F.; Rain. Low:48 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:62 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:46 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:68 ° F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:51 ° F.;
02:36 <efc3> &wx 30625
02:36 <Romulus> efc3: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the mid 60s. Light and variable winds.; Saturday - Chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning... then showers and thunderstorms (1 more message)
02:38 <ELGono> sounds nice ed
02:40 <efc3> horse show tommorrow, naturally it rains
02:40 <efc3> &more
02:40 <Romulus> efc3: likely in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Saturday Night - Showers and thunderstorms likely in the evening...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 60s. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 70 percent.;
02:53 <Tank_Master> &wx 97007
02:53 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 54.8°F / 12.7°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the upper 30s to mid 40s. Light wind.; Saturday - Sunny. Highs around 80. Light wind...becoming northwest 10 mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Clear. Lows in the mid 40s to lower 50s. Northwest (1 more message)
02:53 <Tank_Master> &more
02:53 <Romulus> Tank_Master: wind 5 to 10 mph.;
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06:23 <e-30> hey ELG
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07:00 <CoderForLife> what is left of the storm front that caused the overnight tornado watch finally arrives
07:02 <CoderForLife> medium rain
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07:32 <CoderForLife> bbiab
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09:01 <xcamel> 'lo
09:01 <MTughan> 'lo Jay
09:05 <xcamel> some nasty weather just went by?
09:05 <MTughan> I haven't seen anything. Haven't looked outside since last night.
09:06 <MTughan> Here's our last 24 hours of weather: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/index.php?product=obs24h&placecode=caon0512
09:06 <MTughan> Just looks like clouds.
09:07 <xcamel> went through the toronto area..
09:07 <MTughan> Yep, they got rain and thunderstorms.
09:11 <xcamel> should roll in here tonight
09:13 <xcamel> new einstein binaries
09:22 <xcamel> &wx 12074
09:22 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 64.5°F / 18.1°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a slight chance of showers this morning... then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming (2 more messages)
09:22 <xcamel> &more
09:22 <Romulus> xcamel: south around 15 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Showers and scattered thunderstorms in the evening...then scattered showers after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall in the evening. Lows around 50. South winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming west after midnight. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Cooler with highs in the (1 more message)
09:22 <xcamel> &more
09:22 <Romulus> xcamel: upper 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;
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09:36 <xcamel> looks like those storms are headed your way, mike...
09:48 <xcamel> any way to force boinc to download more than one task in a batch?
09:49 <xcamel> I'm getting vtu tasks one request at a time..
09:54 <xcamel> oh well... day sleepers.
09:55 <MTughan> I'm going to go get some brunch.
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10:20 <MTughan> xcamel: Yep, we've got rain.
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10:38 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
10:39 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 45.3°F / 7.4°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny early in the morning then clearing. Breezy. High in the lower 60s. Northwest wind 15 to 25 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy frost early in the morning. Low in the upper 30s. North wind near 5 mph (1 more message)
10:39 <wdsmia> &more
10:39 <Romulus> wdsmia: shifting to the southwest after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon.;
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11:07 <MTughan> "Have you got any stewed prunes?" "Yes, sir." "Well, give them some black coffee, that'll sober them up."
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11:44 <MTughan> Holy crap... Getting really heavy.
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11:54 <CoderForLife> back
12:05 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
12:05 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 71.9°F / 22.2°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 6.9mph / 11.1km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. (1 more message)
12:06 <CoderForLife> &more
12:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Less muggy with lows in the mid 40s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. North winds around 10 mph.;
12:18 <xcamel> nasty front, if it holds together
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12:47 <CoderForLife> looking your way...
12:49 <CoderForLife> yup
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15:36 <jasong> OMG, even on the Internet people insist on having boring conversations about the weather
15:36 <MTughan> lol
15:40 <efc> &wx 30625
15:40 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 79°F / 26°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Showers and thunderstorms. Locally heavy rainfall possible in the evening. Lows in the mid 60s. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Sunday - Showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then (1 more message)
15:40 <efc> &more
15:40 <Romulus> efc: showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 70s. West winds 10 to 15 mph shifting to the north in the afternoon. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the evening...then a slight chance of showers after midnight. Windy... cooler. Lows around 50. Northeast winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.;
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16:05 <jasong> OMG, I tried to play my Runescape game just now and Jave is dorked, so I did a search in Google with "Ubuntu 9.04 java." The second result was connected to my exact problem, even talking about Runescape. Should I be scared for my privacy or is it just a really weird coincidence?
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16:46 <PovAddict> xcamel: if you get one at a time, and the client then goes for more, it's probably a server-side limit (1 per request)
16:54 <efc> Hey, we have a generator! You find all sorts of stuff rooting around the basement
16:54 <efc> 3550 watts. I'm ready for the apocalypse suckas!
17:07 <Tank_Master> can power 3 crunchers during the apocalypse!
17:07 <MTughan> As long as the fuel holds out, that is...
17:07 <Tank_Master> maybe its solar or nuclear?
17:09 <jasong> Help me out here, there's Sun java and there's ... Java
17:10 <jasong> What's the other one?
17:10 <MTughan> Microsoft Java?
17:10 <PovAddict> 'other one'? there are dozens of implementations
17:10 <Tank_Master> java script?
17:10 <jasong> Oh, god ,no
17:10 <MTughan> Microsoft did make their own Java earlier.
17:10 <jasong> Sun java is screwing up my computer, but I used one that worked
17:10 <Tank_Master> fuched up, overbloated java?
17:10 <MTughan> Oh, wouldn't be Microsoft then.
17:10 <Tank_Master> oh wait, thats sunjava
17:11 <jasong> Yeah, I have no choice if I want to play a certain game
17:11 <MTughan> I don't think they've made Java for a couple years.
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17:11 <PovAddict> there's OpenJDK (open source version of Sun's), IBM Java, GNU Classpath + any free JVM like Kaffe...
17:11 <Tank_Master> ms cant make java anymore, for they took what sun had and made it to good
17:12 <Tank_Master> sun complained
17:12 <jasong> maybe openjdk is what I'm looking for
17:12 <jasong> thanks
17:12 <PovAddict> "too good"? they added proprietary Windows-only extensions and didn't implement the full Java spec (so some Java apps didn't work on it)
17:13 <Tank_Master> yeah, but it didnt suck when running on windows
17:13 <Tank_Master> like sun's did
17:14 <jasong> Java has the most God-awful mascot ever
17:15 <jasong> It's worse than those Olympic ones a while back
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19:42 <zombie67> silly pi
19:42 <MTughan> Small WUs?
19:42 <PovAddict> silly indeed
19:43 * PovAddict watches zombie67 overload him with uploads
19:45 <zombie67> I have only two machines crunching it, I think
19:45 <PovAddict> set NNW when you think you "can't take it anymore"...
19:45 <PovAddict> ready-to-report WUs accumulate
19:45 <PovAddict> I'm trying to simulate a DD@H situation here :)
19:46 <zombie67> oh
19:46 <zombie67> in what way?
19:46 <Romulus> I guess in what way is that WAY better than what I already have, zombie67
19:46 <zombie67> you want me to build up a coupel thousand WUs and then try to return them?
19:46 <Ageless93> couple hundred should already choke the scheduler
19:46 <zombie67> I have RRI turned on
19:47 <Ageless93> which will fail if the scheduler is choked...
19:47 <Ageless93> RRI, I mean
19:47 <PovAddict> zombie67: go look at one of those machines crunching it...
19:47 <zombie67> I have about 20 ready to report
19:48 <PovAddict> I'm sure one of your machines has been uploading tons of upload files
19:48 <zombie67> could be
19:48 <PovAddict> (can't tell which from here, but it's 64-bit Windows 6.6.23)
19:48 <zombie67> yeah, they all are
19:49 <PovAddict> I set the server to do something weird: ignores returned results, so acks don't get sent, so they accumulate in the client
19:49 <zombie67> ah, you defeat my RRI
19:49 <PovAddict> at some point, I'll remove that hack, and I'll get people reporting hundreds :P
19:49 <MTughan> RRI?
19:49 <PovAddict> RRI makes your client report tasks immediately; but they fail to report now
19:50 <PovAddict> &learn RRI as Report Results Immediately
19:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
19:50 <zombie67> return results immediately
19:50 <MTughan> Ah...
19:50 <MTughan> &whatis RRI
19:50 <Romulus> MTughan: "RRI" could be Report Results Immediately
19:50 <zombie67> rri?
19:50 <zombie67> RRI?
19:50 <PovAddict> only works "explicitly"
19:50 <MTughan> RRI is Report Results Immediately.
19:50 <MTughan> That might pick it up...
19:50 <MTughan> RRI?
19:50 <Romulus> I guess RRI is Report Results Immediately, MTughan
19:50 <MTughan> :D
19:51 <PovAddict> yes that other plugin is annoying
19:51 <PovAddict> yes that other plugin?
19:51 <Romulus> I guess yes that other plugin is annoying, PovAddict
19:51 <MTughan> lol
19:51 <Ageless93> but if the scheduler is choked, rri is defeated as well. I noticed that on DD last week. on both my machines I had to report manually at times.
19:51 <Ageless93> and even then I couldn't get through.
19:52 <zombie67> server is slow....
19:52 <PovAddict> Ageless93: well yes, it won't send acks back either :)
19:52 <PovAddict> zombie67: either I'm getting overloaded with uploads, or my sister finally got Shareaza to work
19:52 <zombie67> anyone else but me playing?
19:53 <PovAddict> lol look what I just got
19:53 <PovAddict> sÃ¡b 16 may 2009 20:47:45 ART|Silly Pi Calculation|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 400 results)
19:55 <zombie67> if I change my resource share, will the clients be able to see the change?
19:56 <PovAddict> yes
19:56 <zombie67> heh. can't get the site to repond
19:57 <Ageless93> another one...
19:57 <zombie67> this problem with many tiny tasks reminds me of the nightmare of SciLINK
19:57 <PovAddict> remember hashclash?
19:58 <PovAddict> hashclash never got crashes for running out of memory, but it had a similar problem: the server took *too much time* to process so many reported tasks
19:58 <zombie67> I never was able to crunch for hashclash
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19:59 <PovAddict> if I could make the file upload handler run as FastCGI, this would be a nice chance to benchmark it
19:59 <Ageless93> I must be on the right side of the connection jam. I can still get to Pov's site, be it by IP address or normal address. :)
20:00 <zombie67> the page displays after about 5 min
20:00 <PovAddict> zombie67: you sure it's not *your* connection that is slow? :)
20:00 <zombie67> yeah
20:00 <zombie67> odd, all the freehal tasks just errored out on that machine
20:01 <PovAddict> I hacked my client so it makes one less request on each upload
20:01 <PovAddict> and changed cc_config.xml to upload 8 files at a time
20:01 <PovAddict> uploads happen so much faster
20:03 <Ageless93> hmm, if I were Coca Cola I would've sent a different brand to do the music festival at the Indy 500 test and qualifying days.
20:04 <Ageless93> they've now got the Coke Zero Music festival... really bad name.
20:05 <zombie67> bbib
20:05 <PovAddict> zero music?
20:06 <PovAddict> :)
20:06 <Ageless93> they also have a Zero Stage for the DJs. ;)
20:06 <MTughan> lol
20:06 <Ageless93> so I think they clamp themselves on whatever else there's available.
20:06 <PovAddict> ok, now I did reach my daily quota, and I won't increase it further
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20:07 <Ageless93> less than 1100 to go
20:08 <PovAddict> still 1100?! lol
20:08 <PovAddict> I imagine when I open the floodgates for reports, I'll get four or five scheduler instances (one for each user) all trying to allocate 500 results and *boom*
20:09 <Ageless93> you're going to run the scheduler on 64MB vm?
20:09 <PovAddict> not a bad idea :)
20:09 <Ageless93> and are we even allowed to discuss that here? last time I got pointed to the door. ;)
20:10 <PovAddict> hmm ulimit
20:10 <PovAddict> I could limit how much memory each process can allocate
20:11 <Ageless93> well, you certainly know what it will do without any vm
20:11 <PovAddict> I have 2GB physical anyway :)
20:11 <zombie67> back
20:12 <zombie67> how hard to you want me to push this?
20:12 <PovAddict> heh
20:12 <PovAddict> daily quota is currently 250 per CPU
20:14 <zombie67> here we go
20:14 <zombie67> suspended everything else
20:14 <zombie67> one quad and one ocho
20:15 <PovAddict> I'm indeed getting tons of uploads from you
20:16 <zombie67> do you want me to add some more machines?
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20:16 <PovAddict> no need
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20:16 <zombie67> k
20:17 <PovAddict> whoa what a flood
20:17 <zombie67> from me?
20:17 <PovAddict> a screenful of log every 30 seconds
20:17 <PovAddict> or so
20:18 <zombie67> no work sent
20:18 <zombie67> got 0 tasks
20:19 <zombie67> there we go.
20:19 <zombie67> got some this time
20:19 <zombie67> 20 tasks per request is not enough to keep my ocho fed
20:20 <PovAddict> now set to 6 second backoff between requests (was 60)
20:22 <PovAddict> now it's seriously a screenful of log every 20 seconds
20:22 <zombie67> each now has about 150 tasks
20:22 <zombie67> how high are you going to take this?
20:23 <PovAddict> I'm saving client requests in files
20:23 <PovAddict> (built-in feature of the scheduler)
20:23 <PovAddict> I just picked a random file that had 388 attempted reports :D
20:24 <PovAddict> seems to be the biggest one, actually
20:25 <PovAddict> during this test I noticed other gross inefficiencies in the server
20:25 <Ageless93> &taskmem 388
20:25 <Romulus> 388 tasks need at least 121.82131958 MB
20:25 <PovAddict> like doing four DB transactions per task sent to the client
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20:26 <zombie67> up to 230 now on the ocho
20:27 <zombie67> server down?
20:27 <Tank_Master> what r u guys talking about?
20:27 <zombie67> silly pi
20:27 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: you like crunching for the hell of it? join :P
20:28 <Tank_Master> join what?
20:28 <zombie67> test server....no exported stats
20:28 <Romulus> Title: Silly Pi Calculation (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080)
20:28 <Ageless93> be quick
20:28 <PovAddict> quick before zombie67 runs it out
20:28 <Ageless93> only 289 to go
20:29 <zombie67> 250 tasks
20:29 <Ageless93> 237
20:29 <PovAddict> lol
20:29 <Ageless93> 220
20:29 <Ageless93> by the time TM is attached it's 15 ;)
20:29 * PovAddict gets network statistics
20:31 <PovAddict> I'd love a tool to get better DB stats here
20:31 <Ageless93> build it and they'll come
20:32 <Ageless93> 82
20:32 <Ageless93> and stuck at 81
20:32 <Ageless93> going once... going twice... Sold to the person in the grey Volvo
20:33 <zombie67> my quad now has 303
20:34 <zombie67> my ocho has 303
20:34 <zombie67> er, 312
20:34 <Ageless93> and we're at zero
20:34 <zombie67> "project has no jobs available"
20:35 <zombie67> now what?
20:35 <Romulus> now what is I doing before having to go for biology, zombie67
20:35 <Ageless93> now you pick your nose, of course. :)
20:35 <zombie67> is there going to be any more work issued? If not, lemme know so I can un-suspend the other projects
20:35 <PovAddict> no plans to generate more
20:37 <PovAddict> many people are still uploading files
20:38 <Tank_Master> my host keept trying to report the same tasks
20:38 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: yep :)
20:38 <Tank_Master> and isnt requsting new work
20:38 <PovAddict> there isn't any work to send now
20:38 <Tank_Master> should still request for it
20:38 <PovAddict> once the uploads quiet down, I'll allow reports to work
20:38 <zombie67> POV is trying to duplicate DD problem
20:39 <zombie67> where hosts with many tasks cannot report
20:39 <Tank_Master> my manager never locked up
20:39 <zombie67> not your manager, it is the server that breaks
20:39 <Tank_Master> like it does with freehall
20:39 <PovAddict> zombie67: http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/boincmgr-expose.png
20:40 <PovAddict> boinc manager stretched across two desktops a la Mac Spaces and there's still a scrollbar :D
20:40 <Tank_Master> and why was it in high priority mode the entire time
20:40 <PovAddict> most tasks had 6-hour deadline
20:40 <PovAddict> only a few (that took like 1 minute to crunch instead of 3 seconds) had 1-hour deadlines
20:41 <Tank_Master> 13 sec was the shortest on my stom
20:41 <zombie67> neat!
20:41 <Tank_Master> atom
20:41 <zombie67> TM: Freehal is non-CPU, silly Pi is CPU
20:42 <Tank_Master> yeah well, it still lockes up and then
20:42 <Tank_Master> I get:
20:42 <Tank_Master> 5/16/2009 5:02:46 PM|FreeHAL@home|Task newFreeHAL_45026784979-spl-de-wikipedia-wave-8--acod-5770-1-14_0 exited with a DLL initialization error.
20:42 <Tank_Master> 5/16/2009 5:02:46 PM|FreeHAL@home|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
20:42 <PovAddict> zombie67: I might do a synecdoche-only run of tiny tasks at some point, if Didactylos starts working on manager improvements, would help test manager performance
20:43 <zombie67> TM, i get that sometimes. maybe a bad bacth
20:43 <zombie67> pov, let me know if you want help testing syn(whatever)
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20:48 <PovAddict> okay, I see few uploads now
20:53 <PovAddict> hmm let's set an address space of 64MB :)
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21:01 <zombie67> dinner
21:01 <PovAddict> okay, time to allow reports!
21:01 <PovAddict> I'll go down to a 32MB limit, though
21:06 <Ageless93> thunderstorms are closing in on my position. I'm closing down with the last 8 notes of the Wilhelmus. Night all.
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21:31 <zombie67> back
21:33 <zombie67> so...when will we try to report all these tasks?
21:37 <PovAddict> looks like there were errored tasks that got reported at some point
21:37 <PovAddict> and thus got resent ;)
21:37 <PovAddict> oh
21:37 <PovAddict> no
21:37 <PovAddict> crap
21:38 <PovAddict> there was a set of tasks that had a deadline set to 1 hour
21:38 <zombie67> so?
21:38 <Romulus> hmm... so is the company that uses the solar panels green, zombie67
21:38 <PovAddict> *those* got just resent because they didn't get reported within an hour
21:38 <PovAddict> didn't get reported for obvious reasons :)
21:38 <zombie67> ah
21:39 <zombie67> unless you accept reports, it wil keep happening until it hits the max
21:39 <PovAddict> I hadn't noticed this would happen... I guess I have to hurry and do any debugging *today*
21:39 <PovAddict> by tomorrow, the 6-hour-deadline tasks would all expire
21:40 <zombie67> you could just accpept them, and then re-issue again tomorrow
21:42 <PovAddict> now accepting reports, but with memory artificially limited; big amounts of reports will crash server
21:42 <PovAddict> = DD@H :)
21:43 <zombie67> here comes my quad
21:43 <zombie67> http: internal error
21:43 <zombie67> 309 tasks
21:43 * PovAddict loads core dump
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21:45 <PovAddict> bah, core dump seems to be truncated...
21:45 <PovAddict> limit 32MB, I need more than that
21:46 <zombie67> lemme know when to try again
21:47 <PovAddict> ugh, this may take a while
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21:51 <PovAddict> wow, it was getting truncated by like 200KB
21:51 <PovAddict> I now increased the crash dump limit to 256MB, shouldn't be a problem
21:54 <zombie67> want me to try again?
21:56 <PovAddict> wtf
21:56 <PovAddict> file_upload_handler just crashed
22:02 <MTughan> rofl... http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=200+cups+of+lard
22:02 <MTughan> Apparently, 200 cups of lard provides 63,000% of your daily fat needs.
22:08 <zombie67> yeah but that way, you just eat it once every two years.
22:28 <zombie67> dum de dum
22:30 <MTughan> &format te%s st
22:30 <Romulus> MTughan: test
22:30 <MTughan> Okay, it works...
22:30 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.
22:30 <MTughan> &wolfram Neptune
22:30 <MTughan> Server overload ATM... But the link does work.
22:31 <PovAddict> oops I have 741MB of core dumps now >.<
22:33 <PovAddict> due to the error500s, users who have lots of tasks to report are now very backed off
22:52 <zombie67> back
22:52 <zombie67> want me to try again?
22:52 <zombie67> pov
22:56 <zombie67> same HTTP error on my side
22:57 <PovAddict> should be working now
22:57 <PovAddict> I removed the memory limit, so unless your request needs 2GB of RAM...
22:57 <zombie67> trying again
22:57 <zombie67> Ding!
22:58 <zombie67> that was 309
22:58 <zombie67> trying my other machine now
22:58 <PovAddict> yeah, without the limit it should just go
22:58 <zombie67> ah, that one had already uploaded
22:59 <zombie67> so, we know the solution? DD can get back to work now?
22:59 <PovAddict> well, the patch I gave Jack should work to lower memory usage
23:00 <zombie67> how much memory was needed pre-patch? and after?
23:00 <PovAddict> but the max_reports parameter maybe has to be lowered further
23:00 <PovAddict> zombie67: well, David Anderson added a setting to limit how many task reports are accepted in one request
23:01 <PovAddict> however, it's implemented stupidly: first it loads the tasks into memory, then it truncates the list according to the setting!
23:01 <PovAddict> by then, it already ran out of memory!
23:01 <PovAddict> it *might* help if the crash was when filling another DB-related list later, though
23:01 <zombie67> *snort*
23:02 <PovAddict> my patch makes the server start ignoring <result> tags in the request once the list size reaches the limit in the setting
23:02 <PovAddict> I sent it to Jack, and apparently he's still seeing crashes
23:02 <PovAddict> maybe max_reports needs lowering
23:03 <PovAddict> however, according to Jord, he "went off to see Star Trek, so don't expect him to be in here at any normal time."
23:03 <PovAddict> so we'll see tomorrow or on Monday :)
23:04 <zombie67> ah
23:08 <zombie67> seriously though, how much memory was needed pre fix?
23:08 <PovAddict> for 300 tasks?
23:08 <zombie67> sure
23:08 <PovAddict> &tasksmem 300
23:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: Are you daft?
23:08 <PovAddict> &taskmem 300
23:08 <Romulus> 300 tasks need at least 94.1917419434 MB
23:09 <zombie67> 94mb? that's nothing
23:09 <PovAddict> note that's just how much RAM two specific arrays needed
23:09 <PovAddict> add to that all the "normal" memory usage of the program :)
23:09 <zombie67> let me ask it another way...if the server had 16gb, would that be enough?
23:10 <zombie67> 160gb?
23:10 <PovAddict> of RAM? definitely :P
23:10 <zombie67> so how small was DD memory footprint?
23:10 <PovAddict> the server has 1GB of physical RAM and no swap
23:11 <PovAddict> according to server status, they currently have 700MB used
23:11 <MTughan> No swap? That's a bad situation...
23:11 <PovAddict> oh, misread, 700 is the available :D
23:11 <zombie67> mercy....that seems foolish...even for a simple desktop
23:11 <MTughan> Even if swap is slow, it prevents out of memory errors.
23:12 <PovAddict> lots of things use their memory rarely enough that it's worth having in swap
23:12 <MTughan> That too.
23:12 <PovAddict> instead of using space in physical memory that could be used by useful things :)
23:12 <zombie67> a gig of ram costs less than $10
23:12 <zombie67> WTF?
23:13 <MTughan> I got 8GB of fast DDR2 RAM for about $170 USD.
23:13 <PovAddict> it's probably eg. a server with 32GB of RAM running 32 virtual machines one for each customer
23:13 <MTughan> Even with that, I'd still recommend about 2-4GB of swap.
23:14 <PovAddict> and the VM's RAM might end up going to the host's swap
23:15 <PovAddict> but anyway, you see it as if it was a physical machine
23:16 <zombie67> seriously, the first step is to build a reasonable box...THEN worry about the SW
23:16 <PovAddict> Jack was thinking about moving it to the H2 server
23:16 <MTughan> Is the H2 server dedicated?
23:16 <PovAddict> I think using 300 kilobytes of memory per task is ridiculous
23:16 <zombie67> heh...I think I donated to the H2 server
23:17 <MTughan> 4GB of RAM for the H2 server.
23:17 <PovAddict> a scheduling server with 128MB of RAM should be able to process thousands of reported tasks at once (as long as the DB is in a "real" server :D)
23:18 <zombie67> yeah, $100 for H2
23:18 <PovAddict> could even do DB queries while reading the request instead of reading the list of tasks into memory first
23:18 <PovAddict> O(1) memory usage
23:18 <PovAddict> but *that* would need major restructuring
23:19 <PovAddict> of the code
23:19 <MTughan> Synecdoche could be used for that.
23:20 <PovAddict> MTughan: I think it will be better if server and client forks are maintained separately; would force us to use proper specs to keep compatible
23:20 <MTughan> Yep.
23:20 <PovAddict> instead of DA's way: add code to client, add code to server
23:20 <MTughan> The problem is the currently borked XML code.
23:20 <PovAddict> nope, add code to client, post a protocol spec for the server developers to add the matching piece
23:24 <zombie67> brb
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23:41 <zombie67> back
23:47 <efc> moo
23:52 <zombie67> oom
23:58 <zombie67> had to shut down my machines for a couple hours today. I do that when it gets over 90F
23:58 <MTughan> Ambient or CPU?