IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-05-17

00:03 <zombie67> ambient

00:04 <zombie67> i worry for the slightly OC machines, and the GPU crunchers

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00:04 <MTughan> Yep.

00:04 <MTughan> Still fairly cool around here, so I'm running my OC'd machine at 59C ATM.

00:04 <MTughan> 55-59C for the cores.

00:05 <MTughan> &math 363 / 266

00:05 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.36466165414

00:05 <MTughan> 36% overclock.

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00:47 <MTughan> Wow... My computer seems to be doing lots of stuff, so BOINC froze up, and apps started exiting because of no heartbeat from the client. Now it's started getting colder in the room...

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01:06 <jackygrahamez> hi

01:06 <MTughan> 'lo Jack

01:06 <efc> moo

01:06 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20011

01:06 <MTughan> I was wanting to talk to you a couple days ago about OS X compilation options... :P

01:06 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 66.9F / 19.4C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 8.0mph / 12.9km/h ; Overnight - Showers late this evening...then showers likely. Lows in the upper 50s. Southwest winds around 10 mph...becoming west with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Sunday - Cloudy with showers likely (1 more message)

01:07 <jackygrahamez> yes, I would like to talk about it but I don't have the mac on me

01:07 <jackygrahamez> &more

01:07 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: in the morning...then partly sunny with a slight chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. North winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

01:08 <MTughan> Well, I can give you the options anyway.

01:08 <jackygrahamez> busy day, saw star trek then went out to a latin restraunt

01:08 <Tank_Master> rought day jack...

01:09 <jackygrahamez> saw it on an imax at the Air & Space by Dulles

01:09 <Tank_Master> rough*

01:09 <Tank_Master> lol

01:09 <jackygrahamez> big a$$ screen

01:09 <Tank_Master> I may do that to

01:09 <Tank_Master> they an an imax around here that displays in digital

01:09 <Tank_Master> there is*

01:10 <jackygrahamez> this is the best trek yet, they actually have acting

01:10 <Tank_Master> lol

01:10 <PovAddict> &grab jackygrahamez

01:10 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

01:11 * jackygrahamez awe

01:11 <Tank_Master> HAHA

01:11 <Tank_Master> stb PovAddict

01:12 <efc> &grab Romulus

01:12 <Romulus> efc: Error: I couldn't find a proper message to grab.

01:12 <Tank_Master> heh

01:12 <PovAddict> "Error: no grabbable material"

01:13 <Tank_Master> &grab PovAddict

01:13 <Romulus> Tank_Master: The operation succeeded.

01:13 <PovAddict> &ungrab

01:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://limcore.com/misc/gc.jpg

01:13 <Tank_Master> &grab PovAddict

01:13 <Romulus> Tank_Master: The operation succeeded.

01:13 <MTughan> Holy crap... My quad was sitting idle for a couple minutes, now it's cold in here.

01:14 <Tank_Master> lol

01:14 <PovAddict> omg

01:14 <Tank_Master> what r u running?

01:14 <Tank_Master> DD@H?

01:14 <Romulus> Somebody said DD@H is back up, Tank_Master

01:14 <MTughan> WCG.

01:14 <MTughan> Actually, WCG and AQUA now.

01:14 <Tank_Master> o stfu Romulus

01:14 <PovAddict> get an app with good cache coherency ASAP!

01:14 <MTughan> ?

01:14 <Tank_Master> that would exclude DD@H

01:15 <PovAddict> less time waiting for memory = more time processing = more heat

01:15 <MTughan> How would a 64-bit app do?

01:15 <Tank_Master> better

01:15 <jackygrahamez> yup, I got to plan the next runs with Andrew

01:15 <jackygrahamez> we still got some results to report

01:16 <MTughan> This computer isn't attached to ABC, but I could do it soon.

01:16 <Tank_Master> whats better are SSEx optimized

01:16 <MTughan> Einstein is the closest I've heard of that. Conditional SSE2.

01:16 <Tank_Master> jack, how meny reports are left to report?

01:16 <MTughan> At least in a stock app.

01:16 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: 30,518

01:17 <Tank_Master> tones

01:17 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: still 500s?

01:17 <jackygrahamez> I just ran grep " 500 " access_log and nothing appeared

01:18 <PovAddict> interesting, wonder what's holding people's reports then

01:18 <PovAddict> they're taking forever :)

01:18 <PovAddict> what's the deadline on the outstanding work?

01:18 <Tank_Master> cerdit mongers

01:18 <jackygrahamez> change this ???? <report_max>100</report_max>

01:19 <PovAddict> -> #boinc_dev

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01:23 <zombie67> I just picked up a stray DD task

01:23 <PovAddict> zombie67: yeah, there are some resends now and then

01:41 <jackygrahamez> MTughan did you have something to say about Panther?

01:41 * MTughan points to #boinc_dev

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02:53 <zombie67> allright, I need a script or something for osx

02:53 <MTughan> For?

02:53 <zombie67> BOINC backs off 24 hours if a project has no work

02:54 <zombie67> but with projects like RALPH, they issue work only once in a few days, and then only a very limited amount

02:54 <zombie67> so for project like RALPH, I want BOINC to check every (say) 5 minutes

02:55 <MTughan> Might be more difficult for OS X. No boinc_cmd program is included by default.

02:56 <zombie67> how about some additional thing to add to the code and then build it?

02:56 <MTughan> Nothing that I could cobble together right now.

02:56 <MTughan> However, probably wouldn't be too hard to build boinc_cmd for OS X.

02:57 <zombie67> heh, no, not asking for anything righ now

02:57 <MTughan> You could also use boinc_cmd remotely.

02:57 <zombie67> the back-off logic is very ANNOYING for things like RALPH, LHC, etc.

02:58 <zombie67> just doesn't work

02:58 <zombie67> how to use boinc_cmd remotely?

02:58 <MTughan> One sec...

02:59 <zombie67> again, not looking for detailed instructions

02:59 <zombie67> just an over view, for what you men

02:59 <zombie67> mean

03:00 <MTughan> ./boinccmd [--host hostname] [--passwd password] command

03:00 <MTughan> The password is stored in gui_rpc_auth.cfg, just like on every other platform. You can customize it too.

03:00 <zombie67> ah, you mean run it from a windows machine to instruct the osx machine

03:00 <MTughan> Or a Linux machine, yes.

03:01 <zombie67> don't have any booting to linux rught now

03:01 <zombie67> right

03:01 <MTughan> Well, as long as you have a Windows machine with boinccmd on it, it should work.

03:01 <zombie67> okay, so you suggest a script running on a remote machine to instruct the osx machine to check on certain projects on a particular schedule

03:02 <MTughan> :P Yep.

03:02 <zombie67> got it

03:02 <zombie67> okay, now, is that something that you would/could do?

03:03 <MTughan> I don't use scripts myself, I don't think their playing fair.

03:03 <MTughan> But if you had a .bat file to update all of your machines at once, you could put it in a scheduled task.

03:03 <zombie67> fair?  clearly, BOINC is broken for projects with non-regular work

03:04 <MTughan> It's opinion.

03:04 <zombie67> in what way?

03:04 <Romulus> It has been said that in what way is that WAY better than what I already have, zombie67

03:04 <MTughan> Whether it's fair is opinion in what way?

03:06 <zombie67> I mean, the back-off logic is based on the assumption that work is generally available.  And if BOINC can't get any work "somthing must be wrong, so back off".

03:06 <MTughan> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090517

03:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/q75q8w> (at ars.userfriendly.org)

03:07 <zombie67> clearly that is not the case for projects like RALPH, LHC, amelegrid, etc.

03:07 <zombie67> hah!

03:08 <zombie67> brb

03:08 <MTughan> Anyway... Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. You're fine with it, I'm not.

03:09 <zombie67> why not?

03:10 <zombie67> Why am I not allowed to get work when work is available?

03:10 <MTughan> I didn't say you aren't. But I don't believe scripts are the right way.

03:10 <MTughan> But there's no reason to try and convince me, I'm not stopping you.

03:11 <zombie67> so my choices are BOINC which does not allow me to get work, or scripts which are wrong?

03:11 <MTughan> Look at it this way... You do want you want, I'll manage my machines my own way.

03:11 <zombie67> whoa!

03:12 <zombie67> I am not making a judgement, nor am i suggesting you should manage your machines in any way!

03:12 <MTughan> No, but you seem to be thinking that I dictate what you run.

03:12 <zombie67> I am asking why you believe what you do

03:12 <zombie67> ??

03:12 <zombie67> No.

03:13 <MTughan> Nvm... I just don't run scripts, forget the reasons why.

03:13 <zombie67> I am suggesting that BOINC dictates

03:14 <zombie67> I am serious.  Why do you think scripts that change the work request logic are wrong.  Perhaps there is an angle I am missing

03:15 <MTughan> There's not really a logical reason. It's a phycological reason for me.

03:15 <MTughan> psychological*

03:15 <MTughan> Damn those words are hard to remember...

03:15 <zombie67> yeah

03:16 <zombie67> let me throw something out:  you think we should all be working with the same work fetch rules, so that it is fair?

03:17 <MTughan> That's part of it, yes.

03:17 <zombie67> okay, so then one way would be to fix the work fetch rules in the default BOINC distro

03:17 <MTughan> I'd also prefer not to bend BOINC around too much in case it breaks. It's already fragile enough as it is, it seems.

03:18 <zombie67> so that they work for projects with regular work, and those with irregular work

03:18 <zombie67> fragile?  Or completely screwed up?

03:18 <MTughan> Either or.

03:19 <zombie67> I think POV has the right approach, re-write it from the ground up.

03:19 <MTughan> We're not rewriting it completely.

03:19 <MTughan> Just parts at a time, and probably not the whole thing.

03:19 <zombie67> fine.  cleaning up the code

03:20 <MTughan> Rewriting completely would take years.

03:20 <zombie67> but that gets me back to the beginning.  Until it's fixed, I need a solution

03:20 <zombie67> we all do

03:20 <MTughan> Sure, use a script if you're fine with it. There's no technical reason I don't.

03:21 <zombie67> Which is better?  A few getting all the LHC batch of work, or all of us getting some?  That is the approach I am taking.

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03:30 <Tank_Master> me getting all

03:30 <zombie67> TRVTH

03:32 <zombie67> MT, sorry if I pissed you off.  I was NOT implying that you were dictating ANYTHING.  Sorry if it came off that way.  I was just trying to understand your, er P O V.

03:33 <MTughan> np. I went off to do other stuff anyway.

03:44 <Tank_Master> im outa here

03:45 <Tank_Master> bed time :)

03:46 <efc> I wonder if anybody ever tried making a digital record (LP)

03:46 <MTughan> efc: Hmm?

03:47 <efc> recording bits instead of analog

03:47 <efc> Just as a novelty..

03:47 <zombie67> how?

03:47 <Romulus> how is breakfast, zombie67

03:47 <MTughan> I've recorded a record into digital format... Don't know about one already in digital.

03:47 <efc> I guess it would make more sense to use some modulation like a modem since its an inherently analog medium

03:47 <zombie67> exactly

03:48 <zombie67> modem is good analogy

03:48 <efc> MP3 on LP :)

03:48 <zombie67> you are talking about still using a needle, right?

03:48 <efc> Yes

03:48 <zombie67> so must be analog

03:48 <zombie67> but the sounds could be modem sounds

03:49 <zombie67> which are translated into digital

03:49 <efc> I think that was done in a few cases, in newspapers (if you remember sometimes there'd be a cheap record in the paper)

03:49 <zombie67> via modem

03:49 <efc> It was basically a cassette-tape signal

03:49 <zombie67> I recall floppy 45's as tear outs in magazines

03:50 <zombie67> heh.  this sounds like a path to puch cards

03:50 <efc> The McDonalds commercial one is the only one I remember hehe

03:52 <efc> My other idea was a 45 that would also play in a CD player

03:53 <efc> Not quite sure how to pass that off

03:53 <zombie67> I have a bunch of CD blanks that look like 45s

03:53 <zombie67> opaque black, with groves on the top

03:53 <efc> Flipping it (record on one side, CD on the other) would be trivial, too easy

03:54 <zombie67> f9991166090dfea35a09445a30c18509

03:54 <efc> If you had a material with index of refraction of exactly 1 it might work

03:54 <zombie67> wait

03:54 <zombie67> http://www.amazon.com/E3works-CD-R-50-Disc-Spindle-50-Pack/dp/B000F7IE1K

03:54 <zombie67> there

03:54 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/qdkmbc> (at www.amazon.com)

03:56 <efc> Cool

03:56 <zombie67> yep

03:56 <zombie67> and I agree, very reliable

03:56 <efc> I would kind of like to make some 45s as gifts

03:56 <zombie67> not a persnickety

03:56 <zombie67> as

03:57 <zombie67> I am cranking hard on Malaria Control to try to score 1M before they go donw again

04:02 <efc> yo-yo project eh

04:06 <efc> have been trying to find the bandwidth of a typical phonograph

04:10 <efc> maybe 20 kb/sec

04:10 <efc> bits

04:17 <zombie67> what is the bandwidth of the USPS?

04:17 <efc> uh, mailing DVDs?

04:17 <efc> a 747 full of blu-rays has a pretty staggering bandwidth, but the latency stinks

04:17 <zombie67> exactly

04:19 <efc> i just wanted to see if LP could support MP3 in real time

04:19 <zombie67> ?

04:19 <efc> not really

04:19 <zombie67> LP is just analog data

04:19 <zombie67> signals

04:19 <efc> ie could I modulate the MP3, record it as analog

04:20 <zombie67> yes, so what is your compression?

04:20 <efc> then play it back with no buffering

04:20 <efc> well you figure below 64 kbps is not really worth doing

04:20 <zombie67> modems are limited by crappy telephone lines

04:21 <zombie67> you could do more without that limitation

04:21 <efc> yeah, modems are basically 8 khz, 8 bit samples

04:23 <efc> hence 64k bits/sec (due to bit robbing you lose a bit to yield 56kbps)

04:24 <zombie67> so if you built a better modem?

04:28 <efc> well, it wouldn't do much good over the phone lines

04:28 <efc> on the record you could do a little better but I'm not sure exactly how much

04:29 <efc> the record is stereo so that helps some. Might get 40 kpbs

04:29 <efc> seems low

04:29 <zombie67> no, not over phone lines

04:30 <zombie67> I an talking about a better analog <-> digital conveter

04:30 <zombie67> modems suck because they have to conform to telco crap

04:30 <zombie67> without that restriction...

04:35 <efc> then the limit is Shannon's Law

04:36 <efc> bandwidth and SNR become the determining factors

04:36 <efc> i can't find enough numbers on records to tell

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04:37 <zombie67> gn

04:38 <efc> running some other numbers I got 332 kpbs

04:38 <efc> so who knows

04:38 <efc> night

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08:10 <xcamel> 'lo

08:30 <xcamel> &wx 12074

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08:30 <xcamel> &more

08:30 <Romulus> xcamel: mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Colder with lows in the mid 30s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

08:31 <CoderForLife> morning

08:31 <xcamel> hi

08:31 <CoderForLife> looks like you got some rain last night

08:31 <xcamel> a little more then an inch

08:31 <CoderForLife> all I could see was yellow blobs descending on you

08:32 <xcamel> no real storms though

08:34 <xcamel> thundered about twice

08:34 <CoderForLife> local auction of at least part of SENCO Products - see pgs 25-26 of PDF if interested  http://evanslandscaping.com/_filelib/FileCabinet/retail/EvansRPriceGuide.pdf?FileName=EvansRPriceGuide.pdf

08:34 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/pcf22g> (at evanslandscaping.com)

08:39 <xcamel> interesting..

08:43 <CoderForLife> I thought of you when I saw it earler

08:44 <CoderForLife> not sure of the relationship between SENCO and Evans - both are long-time eastside well-known companies

08:47 <CoderForLife> we built the high school 1974 homecoming winning float with SENCO air staple guns

08:48 <CoderForLife> 15 foot tall duck platformed on a VW Beetle

08:48 <CoderForLife> self-propelled, naturally

08:48 <xcamel> lol

08:49 <CoderForLife> the only year the band ever won the float competition

08:50 <xcamel> SENCO might just be selling excess inventory because of the downdurn..

08:50 <xcamel> er downturn even..

08:50 <CoderForLife> looks like a whole plant site

08:51 <CoderForLife> "property available" on pg 25

08:51 <CoderForLife> that's a manufacturing site, not a landscaping site

08:52 <CoderForLife> anyway - just thought you may have some level of interest - fwiw

08:52 <xcamel> that pdf didn't work well on my system

08:56 <CoderForLife> hmm

08:58 <CoderForLife> I just got that catalog in the mail yesterday

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09:54 <CoderForLife> what an idiot: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/17/oops-biden-reveals-location-secret-vp-bunker/

09:54 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/qhgu78> (at www.foxnews.com)

09:56 <xcamel> yep.. just saw that...

10:00 <ELGono> morning dudes

10:00 <CoderForLife> hey German dude

10:00 <CoderForLife> wattup?

10:00 <ELGono> feels like summer outside

10:01 <ELGono> perfect for chilling ... was a hard week

10:01 <ELGono> we worked till half an hour before printing on heidis thesis

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10:16 <CoderForLife> is it done now?

10:19 <ELGono> jepp thursday morning

10:19 <ELGono> 39h nonstop marathon before hehe

10:21 <ELGono> needs just another presentation and discussion with her professor and then she's done with it

10:23 <ELGono> just a pitty we missed nearly all of iswi (international student week ilmenau)

10:24 <ELGono> just had one installation there with laser-tagging .... wich was pretty phun ;)

10:25 <xcamel> ..taking one for the team...

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11:23 <CoderForLife> congratulations on getting done ELGono

11:24 <CoderForLife> "done" is a good place to be

11:27 <ELGono> yea some days relaxing for the final fight... but the thesis is done so far... no chance to add something

11:28 <ELGono> hope i'll find some time for electronics soon ;) got a big package of parts wich needs to be soldered

11:28 <ELGono> 2 more preamps waiting .... one of them evaluation board maybe going into series

11:29 <PovAddict> ELGono: did you see this' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc

11:29 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - reactable: basic demo #1 (at www.youtube.com)

11:29 <ELGono> yea pov

11:30 <ELGono> we build it 2 years ago

11:30 <ELGono> also at iswi ;)

11:30 <ELGono> had an old glassworks factory back then ....

11:30 <ELGono> maybe don remembers ... live tv shows from there ;)

11:31 <CoderForLife> I remember

11:32 <ELGono> we had a workshop with some electronic music freaks and VJ's ... and we wanted to create an interface based on reactable for controlling both ... music and surrouding video projectors

11:33 <ELGono> unfortunately we got stucked on reactable back then and focussed on the "video moving mirror" system

11:35 <ELGono> i really have to look were the table has gone we build ....

11:35 <ELGono> for reactable

11:37 <ELGono> PovAddict: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKbtTPYZEig

11:37 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Graffiti Research Lab L.A.S.E.R Tag (at www.youtube.com)

11:38 <ELGono> thats the software we played with last week ...

11:38 <PovAddict> seen that one

11:38 <ELGono> we already improved performance from 42 to 60 fps recompiling with SSE2

11:40 <ELGono> depending on weather we want to have some more spontaniously actions with it downtown

11:40 <PovAddict> :)

11:41 <ELGono> just getting power is the problem

11:41 <ELGono> the small 5000 lumen projectors runs an hour on ups

11:41 <Tank_Master> get a bigger ups

11:41 <PovAddict> wow nice

11:41 <ELGono> but the 15k beast would need an agregat

11:48 <ELGono> maybe tonight we hava a tour with a trolley with ups, 5k projector, cam and laptop on

11:49 <ELGono> i really want to paint the Goethe bronze statue

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14:42 <Pinchiukas> How can I limit the memory usage of boinc? I'm running rosetta.

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14:42 <PovAddict> if you think rosetta is using too much memory, then "limiting it" will make BOINC not run Rosetta tasks at all

14:43 <Pinchiukas> So there is no way to make it use less memory?

14:43 <PovAddict> ask Rosetta developers :)

14:43 <Pinchiukas> I only have 1GB of ram and a dual-core cpu so boinc slows my machine down significantly.

14:43 <PovAddict> if their calculations need that much memory, then it can't use less

14:43 <PovAddict> if it could, it would already

14:44 <Pinchiukas> What is this "use at most <percentage> memory" setting then?

14:45 <PovAddict> if you set that, BOINC may run only one Rosetta task at once (and leave one of your CPU cores idle unless you have other projects), or may stop running Rosetta completely if it can't even fit a single task in the memory limit you specified

14:46 <Pinchiukas> My experience says this function doesn't work at all.

14:46 <PovAddict> that may be true :)

14:46 <PovAddict> where are you setting that?

14:46 <Pinchiukas> It runs a lot more processes than without limiting the memory and slows my machine down to a crawl.

14:46 <Pinchiukas> Once it ran 6 processes ~300MB ram each.

14:46 <PovAddict> no, that's not true

14:47 <Pinchiukas> Uhh... yes it is.

14:47 <PovAddict> a single process forks twice

14:47 <PovAddict> all three use *the same* 300MB of RAM

14:47 <Pinchiukas> I set it in advanced > preferences.

14:47 <Pinchiukas> PovAddict: is "private bytes" shared memory? :)

14:48 <PovAddict> when a process fork()s, its child doesn't use any more memory; copy-on-write

14:48 <Pinchiukas> I don't think they forked.

14:48 <Pinchiukas> I think boinc ran them all.

14:48 <PovAddict> ps auxf

14:48 <Pinchiukas> I'm using winblows.

14:49 <PovAddict> oh then there is no such thing as a "fork"

14:49 <Pinchiukas> So WTF is boinc doing?!

14:49 <PovAddict> you can use Process Explorer to see the process tree

14:49 <PovAddict> what process started the others

14:49 <Pinchiukas> I am doing that.

14:49 <PovAddict> do you see 'boinc.exe' with six child processes?

14:50 <PovAddict> or does boinc.exe have two child processes, each with two more?

14:50 <Pinchiukas> I think there were six child processes.

14:51 <Pinchiukas> I slowed my machine down to a crawl.

14:51 <Pinchiukas> Even more than usually.

14:51 <PovAddict> then Rosetta isn't a project for you, I guess

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14:53 <Pinchiukas> Or boinc is broken bad.

14:53 <PovAddict> two 300MB tasks would still be too much for a system with 1GB

14:54 <Pinchiukas> Well maybe I could run one then.

14:54 <PovAddict> change your settings to "use at most 1 CPU"

14:55 <Pinchiukas> How much does f@h use?

14:55 <PovAddict> f@h isn't even BOINC-based

14:55 <PovAddict> I never ran it, I don't know anything about its requirements

14:55 <Pinchiukas> Ok.

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15:34 <FreeLarry58> oh i see willy talking a break - his site hasn't updated since yesterday - or maybe affectd by the power outages somewhere

15:36 * FreeLarry58 makes note to self - not to recommend vista ultimate to anyone unless they are going to use a monster hd -- close to 140 gig reserved for vista by itself

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15:36 <FreeLarry58> morn doug

15:36 <wdsmia> Afternoon Larry

15:37 <FreeLarry58> guess it is

15:49 * wdsmia is restoring Vista on one of the quads

15:50 <Tank_Master> afternoon

15:51 <Nickuwo> hey TAnk

15:52 * CoderForLife has discovered a true waste of time

15:52 * CoderForLife is watching wdsmia restore Vista on one of the quads

15:53 <PovAddict> don't hold your breath

15:54 <CoderForLife> I have an acute case of Vista Attention Deficit Disorder

15:54 <wdsmia> lol

15:56 <efc> moo

16:01 <CoderForLife> moo

16:01 <CoderForLife> I need to go find some food - bbiab

16:02 <efc> this was my project for two weekends..  http://home.earthlink.net/~cottongim/DSCF2172.JPG

16:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ogk75w> (at home.earthlink.net)

16:05 <efc> camera won't focus well if I try a really close shot

16:40 <efc> I got a pretty smooth 3 degree taper ground into it

16:44 <MTughan> &seen Soul_keeper

16:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Soul_keeper was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Soul_keeper> thanks

16:45 <MTughan> &any Soul_keeper

16:45 <Romulus> MTughan: Soul_keeper was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 6 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: *** Soul_keeper has parted #boinc ("Leaving")

16:45 <MTughan> Hmm.

16:45 <MTughan> He's on the server though. :o

16:45 <efc> He said he was leaving for good

16:46 <MTughan> He was? That would explain it...

16:46 <CoderForLife> he's over on his IRC chat room - #linuxsociety

16:46 <MTughan> I know he had a bit of a fallout with Willy of BOINCStats after he was banned for scraping.

16:46 <MTughan> He's also in #slamd64

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19:05 <CoderForLife> what kind of medical history information form would ask if you have guns or not?

19:06 <PovAddict> chance of shooting yourself

19:08 <CoderForLife> It also asks if I use a bike helmet

19:08 <CoderForLife> If I have a carbon monoxide detector

19:08 <CoderForLife> If I chat online with Canadians and Argentines

19:09 <CoderForLife> oh, misread that last one

19:09 <wdsmia> lol

19:10 <CoderForLife> no questions on Mexico

19:11 <CoderForLife> No credit for the radon mitigation system I had to install...

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22:32 <Nickuwo> hmm, no zombie...

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22:45 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news May 17, 2009

23:12 <infinisoft> No link? D:

23:12 <infinisoft> Guess its from the main berkeley site

23:12 <PovAddict> just go to boinc front page

23:12 <PovAddict> it's news about a podcast mentioning boinc, nothing too important :)

23:13 <infinisoft> Is there a boinc version that supports exlusive_apps and has a fairly stable cc/scheduler

23:14 <PovAddict> do you need GPU?

23:14 <infinisoft> No

23:15 <PovAddict> platform?

23:15 <Romulus> platform is still immature and pricey for now, PovAddict

23:15 <infinisoft> I have 6.2.19 right now, just want a stable upgrade that has exclusive_apps option

23:15 <infinisoft> win 32 bit

23:17 <infinisoft> I hear that when they were toying with the GPU that sometimes the CPU scheduler gets borked so I'm not sure which versions do that, if any

23:18 <infinisoft> GPU support*

23:18 <PovAddict> afaik, all versions with GPU support have a borked scheduler/workfetch

23:18 <infinisoft> Eek. :(

23:21 <MTughan> 6.2.19 and 5.10.45 are the best versions if you don't need GPU, as I've heard.

23:21 * PovAddict checks out 6.2.19 code

23:22 <infinisoft> Dang, but it doesn't have exclusive apps option, right?

23:22 <infinisoft> I have a watchdog program that's doing the same thing but it is a pain to have to run

23:24 <PovAddict> well, according to unix philosophy, that's the right way to do it :)

23:25 <PovAddict> one app per task, interacting with each other :)

23:30 <infinisoft> Is 'ol who? still posting crazyness anywhere

23:31 <PovAddict> ?

23:34 <infinisoft> Intel guy who used to post on Seti and elsewhere

23:34 <PovAddict> ah yes

23:34 <PovAddict> the grammar of your message was confusing

23:34 <PovAddict> it always is when referring to someone called "who?"

23:34 <PovAddict> I don't frequent SETI forums

23:36 <infinisoft> Heh, yeah

23:40 <PovAddict> infinisoft: I could try backporting the exclusive_app feature to 6.2.19, but I don't have any way to compile it on Windows

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23:41 <infinisoft> Oh, thats OK then, I don't have a windows compiler either

23:42 <infinisoft> Do you know where I could look in the source for that though, maybe for future reference? :D

23:44 <PovAddict> it's split across several files

23:45 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/16087/

23:45 <Romulus> Title: Changeset 16087 - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

23:45 <PovAddict> that's the basic change; it still didn't work correctly, and only on Linux

23:45 <PovAddict> there are later changes improving the feature

23:45 <infinisoft> oh ok, thanks!

23:52 <PovAddict> oops, we need 16084 first

23:59 <infinisoft> ok, I've bookmark that too, I might get visual studio eventually and play around with compilation :p

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