IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-05-18

00:01 <PovAddict> hmm backporting doesn't seem too easy, applying the patches directly gives errors

00:03 <infinisoft> missing variables?

00:03 <PovAddict> mostly, yes

00:04 <PovAddict> a lot of settings were added

00:04 <PovAddict> so the patch context doesn't match at all

00:09 <PovAddict>

00:09 <Romulus> <> (at

00:09 <MTughan> 404

00:10 <PovAddict> oops, apps

00:10 <PovAddict> try now

00:10 <MTughan> Still.

00:10 <PovAddict> .. <.<

00:10 <MTughan> Unless these are IPv6 issues again...

00:10 <PovAddict> clearly I need sleep

00:10 <PovAddict>

00:11 <Romulus> <> (at

00:11 <MTughan> That one works.

00:12 <PovAddict>

00:12 <Romulus> Title: Debian Quality Assurance -- Popularity Contest Statistics (at

00:13 <MTughan> What's the dip around August 2008?

00:13 <PovAddict> who knows...

00:14 <PovAddict> note popularity-contest is not enabled by default

00:14 <PovAddict> not everyone who installed boinc reported it to the debian stats site

00:14 <MTughan> Yep, but stilll.

00:14 <MTughan> still*

00:14 <MTughan> &math 100/1400

00:14 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.0714285714286

00:15 <MTughan> Lost about 7% of the installed base with stats reporting.

00:15 <PovAddict> that's not "7% uninstalled it"

00:16 <PovAddict> that's "it was installed by 7% less people than in the previous month"

00:16 <MTughan> Oh...

00:16 <MTughan> Okay, doesn't seem as bad now. :)

00:16 <PovAddict> *I think*

00:17 <MTughan> I'll take your word on it. That makes more sense for a package installer to be noting that.

00:17 <MTughan> s/installer/manager/

00:17 <infinisoft> Looked at glibc, it has the same 'dip'

00:17 <PovAddict> hmm no it's not

00:18 <MTughan> PovAddict: No it's not installs per month, or glibc doesn't have the same dip?

00:19 <PovAddict> it's total machines reporting stats that currently have it installed

00:19 <PovAddict> look at graph at

00:19 <Romulus> Title: Debian Quality Assurance -- Popularity Contest Statistics (at

00:19 <MTughan> So it is total number of installs.

00:19 <PovAddict> I doubt it's 90k per month

00:19 <MTughan> True.

00:20 <PovAddict>

00:20 <Romulus> <> (at

00:20 <MTughan> But it does look like glibc does have a bit of the same dip, so maybe there was a bug in popcon that cause people to uninstall it until the bug was fixed?

00:20 <PovAddict> it may be a bug in popcon that caused people not to report statistics

00:21 <MTughan> True.

00:21 <PovAddict> this one is more interesting

00:21 <Romulus> <> (at

00:21 <MTughan> Because if approximately 7% of Debian users who had BOINC uninstalled it, that'd be big.

00:21 <MTughan> Hmm... Big dip in recent. Was that when 6.4.x stable was released? xD

00:22 <PovAddict> maybe the other way around: maybe that was after a period of Debian not releasing upgrades

00:23 <PovAddict>

00:23 <Romulus> <> (at

00:23 <PovAddict> percent of Debian users

00:23 <MTughan> Hehe... New shirt designs in CAD. Some look interesting.

00:23 <Romulus> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del (at

00:25 <infinisoft> gonna grab a midnight snack, bbiab.

00:26 <PovAddict> XDD

00:26 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Outreach (at

00:28 <MTughan> Heh, yeah. Flying sharks. xD

00:49 <infinisoft> Oh, Thanks for uploading that diff, Pov.

01:01 <infinisoft> Ugh, my RAC is too low to post in SETI now :(

01:05 <MTughan> "Lasers make everything better." "Well, except for Alderaan." xD

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01:36 <CoderForLife> sleep is overrated

01:44 <efc> moo

01:44 <MTughan> 'lo e

02:03 * CoderForLife goes for a quick snack and then back to bed

02:10 <efc> Zzz

02:15 <efc> hehe..  "In June 2005, a liquidator offered two million CueCats for sale at $0.30 each (in quantities of 500,000 or more)."

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05:06 <CoderForLife> sleep is overrated

05:06 <MTughan> I believe I've seen you say that 4 times now at least.

05:07 <MTughan> xcamel: BTW, there's a new version of Supybot out.

05:07 <Tank_Master> supybot?

05:07 <Romulus> It has been said that supybot is user-friendly, Tank_Master

05:07 <MTughan> Supybot == Rommie

05:07 <Tank_Master> you sure aint, Romulus

05:08 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

05:08 <MTughan> &version

05:08 <Romulus> MTughan: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3.  The newest version available online is 0.83.4.

05:09 <Tank_Master> minor revision

05:09 <MTughan> Sort of.

05:09 <MTughan> It's the first release in about 1.5 years.

05:09 <Tank_Master> probably just means they chaged a line of code for the heck of it to make it look like they actually work on something

05:09 <MTughan> It fixed a problem with my Supybot where it only liked joining one network at a time.

05:12 <MTughan> Ah, found release notes... Fixes Python 2.6 compatibility and a major overhaul of the Google plugin.

05:12 <MTughan> And a couple others.

05:13 <Tank_Master> anywho, im off to bed

05:13 <Tank_Master> gn ye all

05:13 <MTughan> Night TM.

05:13 <CoderForLife> b

05:35 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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06:10 <CoderForLife> b

06:10 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

06:11 <CoderForLife> hiya Michael

06:12 <CoderForLife> just changed into my street clothes from my Coder magic robes

06:24 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - we'll see how it goes today

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06:33 <Romulus> WB, Boss

06:33 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

06:36 <hawmps> hi

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06:37 <MTughan> I can help you fix that so you aren't auto-opped if you'd like.

06:37 <hawmps> it's fine the way it is..

06:37 <MTughan> K.

06:37 <MTughan> Also, there's an update to Supybot that was released yesterday. Dunno if you want to update Rommie at some point.

06:38 <hawmps> I tend to let the updates run for a couple months before jumping on an update

06:39 <MTughan> How's the weather over there?

06:39 <hawmps> cloudy, chilly.

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07:41 <hawmps> looks like our power problems here are fixed now..

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07:48 <jackygrahamez_> hi

07:48 <jackygrahamez_> &wx 20011

07:48 <Romulus> jackygrahamez_: Temperature: 52.5F / 11.4C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1025.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the lower 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable.; Tuesday - Sunny. Highs in the mid (1 more message)

07:48 <jackygrahamez_> %more

07:48 <jackygrahamez_> &more

07:48 <Romulus> jackygrahamez_: 70s. North winds around 5 mph... becoming east around 5 mph in the afternoon.;

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07:53 <jackygrahamez_> when will the Q end :-(

07:54 <MTughan> jackygrahamez_: Did you get the unzip apps?

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08:11 <jackygrahamez_> ah oh did you email it?

08:12 <MTughan> No, I posted a link on #boinc_dev.

08:12 <jackygrahamez_> oh I kind of zonked out Saturday night

08:15 <jackygrahamez_> could you give me the link? I don't have it

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09:50 <jackygrahamez_> any recommendations for a good irc mac client

09:50 <jackygrahamez_> ?

09:50 <MTughan> XChat Aqua or Colloquy.

10:21 <hawmps> snak works well too..

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10:44 <Jackygrahamez> hi

10:45 <MTughan> 'lo

10:45 <Jackygrahamez> I'm back with a better client!!! :-)

10:45 <MTughan> XChat Aqua. Used to use it. Only reason I switched was because I didn't like how it looked. :P

10:46 <Jackygrahamez> I had a shareware irc that was bugging me with license

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11:08 <PovAddict> Jackygrahamez: dd@h down?

11:18 <Nickuwo> when a wu gets canceled by "exceeding cpu time limit" is that rsc_fpops_bound?

11:19 <PovAddict> yes

11:19 <Nickuwo> good

11:19 <Nickuwo> seems like poor wording

11:19 <PovAddict> what is?

11:20 <Nickuwo> isnt rsc_fpops_bound a number of operations? not an amount of time

11:20 <Nickuwo> i guess indirectly related...

11:20 <Nickuwo> fpop/s

11:20 <PovAddict> well yes

11:21 <PovAddict> if you set a limit of "2 hours", and I run your project on a 200MHz machine, it will probably reach the limit

11:21 <PovAddict> even though it's more than enough for a modern computer

11:22 <Nickuwo> but rsc_fpops_bound is a number of operations... same WU should take the same number of operations on any comp, no?

11:22 <PovAddict> it's all estimates

11:22 <PovAddict> you can never know how many "operations" it will need

11:22 <Nickuwo> hmm

11:26 <PovAddict> plus, something as simple as reading a number from memory may take anywhere from 2 CPU cycles (L1 cache) to millions of CPU cycles (swapped to mechanical hard disk)

11:29 <Nickuwo> i c

11:29 <PovAddict> computer speed hasn't been deterministic for a few decades now :)

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12:32 <jasong> Something you guys might be interested in:

12:32 <jasong>

12:32 <Romulus> Title: Wolfram|Alpha (at

12:32 <MTughan> We've seen it already. Well, I have at least.

12:32 <jasong> Thanks, Rommie, you're a big help

12:32 <MTughan> &alias add wolfram "format [urlquote $*]"

12:32 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

12:32 <MTughan> &wolfram Neptune

12:32 <Romulus> MTughan:

12:34 <jasong> Oh wow, pretty soon it will have had it's first Neptune year since it was discovered

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14:20 * KathrynM hates it when she can't sleep

14:20 <PovAddict> the usual insomnia?

14:20 <KathrynM> pretty much

14:30 <hawmps> been there, done that.

14:30 <hawmps> then it takes several days to recover

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15:18 <hawmps> 'lo ElG

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15:59 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:36 <Tank_Master> KM!

16:36 <mweltin> hey tank

16:36 <mweltin> have a nice weekend?

16:36 <Tank_Master> howdy mw

16:36 <Tank_Master> no

16:37 <Tank_Master> guy who said we was gonna buy my comp on firday never got back to me :(

16:37 <Tank_Master> but I did have a good time at the beach on friday

16:37 <mweltin> really the fact that it was absolutely beautiful outside didn't out shine the computer sale.

16:37 <mweltin> well at least you had that.

16:37 <Tank_Master> was to hot

16:40 <Tank_Master> did you have a good weekend?

16:40 <mweltin> no but it had nothting to do with the weather.

16:41 <mweltin> my student workers totally messed up a working code base, and my wife was upset about our home situation and wanted to tell me all about it.

16:42 <mweltin> my dog and I had a good time walking around so that was fun.

16:43 <xcamel> The Space Shuttle Atlantis crew has completed its equipment replacements and repairs of the Hubble Space Telescope. Tomorrow they will release the Hubble back into open space.

16:43 <PovAddict> w00t

16:46 <xcamel> only one small snafu... and they fixed that one too.

16:46 <xcamel> low gain antenna bump.

16:47 <CoderForLife> re-hi

16:49 <xcamel> 'lo CFL

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16:50 <CoderForLife> hey jay

16:50 <CoderForLife> HST all fixed up?

16:51 <CoderForLife> excellent

16:51 <xcamel> seems it is, thanks to duct tape.

16:52 <CoderForLife> that was one of 3 main tools in the power plant - duct tape, sledge hammer, cutting torch

16:52 <xcamel> NASA just reported that when the astronaut leaned over to grab a piece of foreign matter floating under the Hubble, his back pack bumped against the low gain antenna and knocked off the thermo cover ball. NASA said they were able to send an astronaut back to the antenna and put another insulation ball on the end of the exposed copper antenna wires. They have since tested the low gain antenna and said the new ball (a little larger than the

16:52 <xcamel> original) was working to keep the antenna insulated and had no effect on the antenna's function. All is well again. The crew of Atlantis and the base teams have done a FANTASTIC job even when confronted with an entirely NEW obstacle.

16:52 <CoderForLife> heh

16:52 <xcamel> Viola!

16:52 <CoderForLife> bbiab - dinner

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17:38 <xcamel> 'lo Jack

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17:56 <CoderForLife> lo jack got hi jacked

17:57 <PovAddict> very punny

17:57 <CoderForLife> gn

17:58 <CoderForLife> my purpose here is to entertain

17:58 <CoderForLife> ttfn

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18:29 <xcamel> Biden's secret bunker:

18:29 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:01 <xcamel> &wx 12074

20:01 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 47.6F / 8.7C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then clearing. Areas of frost after midnight. Cold with lows in the lower 30s. Northwest winds around 5 mph this evening...becoming light and variable.; Tuesday - Areas of frost in the morning. (1 more message)

20:01 <xcamel> &more

20:01 <Romulus> xcamel: Mostly sunny. Not as cool with highs in the lower 70s. Southwest winds around 5 mph... increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Not as cool with lows in the mid 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming south around 5 mph after midnight.; Freeze Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 8:00 AM EDT on May 19, 2009;

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20:23 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

20:24 <efc> Hey

20:25 <efc> Did you see the pictures of the pipe I was working on?

20:26 <efc>   and you can guess the rest

20:26 <Romulus> <> (at

20:26 <efc> 3 degree taper ground into it

20:28 <efc> Hows the Jeep mod going?

20:33 <xcamel> all done.. runs great..

20:39 <efc> The wilderness will never be the same.

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20:46 <xcamel> only my own backroad so far..

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23:39 <quail> &convert currency 14.99 usd aud

23:39 <Romulus> quail: Error: The command "convert" is available in the Currency and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "convert".

23:39 <MTughan> currency convert

23:39 <quail> &currency convert 14.99 usd aud

23:39 <MTughan> &currency convert 14.99 USD to AUD

23:39 <Romulus> quail: 14.99 usd = 19.56 aud

23:39 <Romulus> MTughan: 14.99 usd = 19.56 aud

23:40 <quail> &currency convert 41.97 usd aud

23:40 <Romulus> quail: 41.97 usd = 54.80 aud

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