IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-05-20

00:20 <MTughan> Nickuwo: Do you need new Mac apps?

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00:55 <infinisoft> Hi, what to do when trying to attach to WCG I get "Error attaching to project; check Messages for details" and then in Messages tab all it says is "fetching project config"

00:56 <infinisoft> BOINC 5.10.45

00:56 <PovAddict> platform?

00:56 <Romulus> platform is still immature and pricey for now, PovAddict

00:56 <PovAddict> forget platform

00:56 <Romulus> Okay, PovAddict.

00:56 <PovAddict> ffs

01:02 <infinisoft> windows XP 32bit

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02:09 <Nickuwo> MTughan: yes, I'll send it to ya. Thx!

02:11 <MTughan> You forgot the ifdef check again. ;)

02:12 <Nickuwo> ahh, dammit

02:12 <Nickuwo> hehe

02:12 <MTughan> Don't worry, I've put it in.

02:12 <Nickuwo> thx

02:13 <MTughan>

02:13 <Romulus> <> (at

02:13 <Nickuwo> screw that guys who decide to name his macro check. what a douche

02:13 <MTughan> Heh.

02:13 <Nickuwo> damn that was fast

02:13 <MTughan> I have the commands all made out. ;)

02:14 <Nickuwo> right on

02:14 <MTughan> Hmm... I should make a bash script that does this all for me.

02:14 <MTughan> Can you read tarred bunzip or gunzip?

02:15 <Nickuwo> I have to look into that as well... making dirs and sign_Executables and shit...

02:15 <wdsmia> asks Nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

02:15 <Nickuwo> i think so

02:15 <MTughan> Eh, don't worry about it. I'll make it zip.

02:17 <MTughan> Bash script made. ;)

02:18 <Nickuwo> nice

02:18 <MTughan_> Now I execute the script, and it compiles all three, zips 'em up, and uploads it.

02:18 <Nickuwo> how do you pass arguments into a bash script?

02:18 <Nickuwo> sweet

02:18 <MTughan> Arguments... I know there is a way, I just don't remember it now.

02:19 <MTughan> $1-$9, $0 is the name of the script.

02:19 <MTughan> $@ for all arguments, separated by spaces.

02:20 <Nickuwo> right on, i'll have to have a go at that tomorrow

02:22 <Nickuwo> ur lucky ur not graduating... this job market sux balls

02:23 <Nickuwo> I've got a degree in mathematics and philosophy and i know how to program... and I'm painting fucking kitchen cabinets to pay my rent

02:23 <wdsmia> asks Nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

02:23 <Nickuwo> totally lame

02:24 <Nickuwo> and im done bitching...

02:25 <Nickuwo> i didnt know how to spell douche tho... had to look that up

02:25 <MTughan_> Heh.

02:50 <Tank_Master> waa?

02:50 <Tank_Master> hydrigen has work??

02:50 <Tank_Master> hydrogen*

03:04 <efc> next generation Atom ought to have a much improved chipset, memory controller. 'bout time.

03:04 <Tank_Master> the intergrated vid will also be on the chip

03:05 <Tank_Master> but the same vid as now, just clocked faster

03:05 <Tank_Master> 200MHz instead of 133 or something like that

03:05 <Tank_Master> but all 3 chips (CPU/mem contrlr/vid) will consume 7w total

03:05 <Tank_Master> the current CPU alone consumes 8w

03:06 <efc> the chipset is a particular hog

03:06 <Tank_Master> yeah

03:06 <efc> wart compared to the atom

03:06 <Tank_Master> and they will be loosing that this fall

03:06 <Tank_Master> itll be a 2 chip design

03:06 <CoderForLife> sleep is overrated

03:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:06 <Tank_Master> there will still be a south bridge for the disk controllers n whatnot

03:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 52.3°F / 11.3°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 40s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Clear. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

03:07 <Tank_Master> but it should be compleatly passive, which will be nice

03:08 <Tank_Master> combined with a SSD and a passive powersupply...

03:08 <Tank_Master> no noise at all :P

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03:10 <efc> yeah, dad wants a netbook, might be worth waiting

03:10 <Tank_Master> im sure theill will be an updated ion to

03:10 <efc> also not a lot of netbooks has a SSD yet, at least not at a reasonable price

03:12 <Tank_Master> true

03:12 <Tank_Master> SSD should come down this year

03:13 <Tank_Master> anywho, im off to bed

03:14 <efc> Night

03:18 <efc> I remember my 386sx.. didn't even have a heatsink

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04:12 <efc> watching a robot lawn mower commercial

04:13 <efc> it sounds like it came from Starship Troopers

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06:28 <hawmps> 'lo

06:29 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

06:29 <hawmps> aye

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07:16 <hawmps> &wx 120220

07:16 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

07:16 <hawmps> &wx 12020

07:17 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 52.8°F / 11.6°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Sunny. Warmer with highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 (1 more message)

07:17 <hawmps> &more

07:17 <Romulus> hawmps: mph in the afternoon.;

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07:38 <hawmps> looks like some normal milkyway work out there..

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08:06 <hawmps> conectile dysfunction?

08:18 <ELGono> hehe remember i was searching for a good definition of realtime? ... found a source wich is worth a \cite ;)

08:18 <Romulus> <> (at

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08:21 <Jackygrahamez> hi

08:21 <Jackygrahamez> &wx 20011

08:21 <Romulus> Jackygrahamez: Temperature: 59.0°F / 15.0°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.52in / 1033.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 50. South winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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10:59 <RomW> Howdy

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11:48 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

11:48 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 49.9°F / 9.9°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1025.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Clearing. Isolated morning showers. Highs in the mid 50s to lower 60s. Light wind...becoming northwest 5 to 10 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s to mid 40s. North wind 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)

11:48 <FreeLarry58> &more

11:48 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Thursday - Sunny. Highs in the 60s to lower 70s. North wind 5 to 15 mph.;

11:48 <FreeLarry58> as i thought when going out - chilly

11:50 <FreeLarry58> looks like the upgrade went well and most sites automatically updated to new processor discription without needing a merge :)

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12:55 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

12:55 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 81.3°F / 27.4°C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Sunny...breezy. High in the mid 80s. South wind 20 to 25 mph with gusts to around 40 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Breezy. Low in the upper 50s. South wind 15 to 25 mph decreasing to 10 to 15 mph after (1 more message)

12:55 <wdsmia_w> &more

12:55 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: midnight.; Thursday - Partly sunny. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 70s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the northwest in the afternoon.;

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13:48 <MTughan_> Gah, WTF? The Mac disconnects once last night, the desktop disconnects 4 times.

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14:41 <[2nd-Wave-Booste> Hi @ all

14:42 <yoyo[work]> hi

14:42 <yoyo[work]> ;)

14:42 <[2nd-Wave-Booste> bin auch mal da

14:42 <yoyo[work]> sonst alles idler hier

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15:13 <MTughan> What the... BOINC suspended a WCG after it ran for 2 minutes.

15:13 <PovAddict> version?

15:14 <MTughan> 6.2.19.

15:14 <MTughan> Win7 x64.

15:14 <MTughan> Or x86_64, properly.

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15:24 <CoderForLife> hello

15:25 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

15:25 <CoderForLife> Doctor says I need to see a specialist tomorrow, so off we'll go

15:25 <PovAddict> hmm anything bad?

15:26 <CoderForLife> it looks like I'm on a cardiac stress test machine, but I'm sitting still

15:27 <CoderForLife> aside from that...

15:27 <Tank_Master> An acceptable level of unemployment means that the government economist to whom it is acceptable still has a job."

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15:27 <yoyo[work]> re

15:27 <MTughan> yo yoyo

15:27 <yoyo[work]> how to change the boot runlevel on ubuntu?

15:27 <Tank_Master> "Newlan's Rule: An acceptable level of unemployment means that the government economist to whom it is acceptable still has a job."

15:28 <yoyo[work]> there is no /etc/inittab

15:28 <PovAddict> Ubuntu has no runlevels

15:28 <PovAddict> it replaced init with "upstart", which works differently

15:28 <PovAddict> it *emulates* runlevels, so there is a 'telinit' command

15:29 <yoyo[work]> it boots in text mode, but I want grafik mode

15:29 <PovAddict> is it ubuntu server?

15:29 <yoyo[work]> its dotsch/ux

15:30 <PovAddict> &seen dotsch

15:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: I have not seen dotsch.

15:31 <yoyo[work]> telinit 5 does the job, but I will not type it in every time

15:32 <PovAddict>

15:32 <Romulus> Title: Dotsch_UX (at

15:32 <PovAddict> 4. Tips and tricks

15:32 <PovAddict>    To enable the graphical desktop at boot time : sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/s30gdm /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm

15:32 <PovAddict> it's supposed to start in runlevel 2, but he disabled it (by renaming the script to have a lowercase 's')

15:33 <PovAddict> damn his website code is HORRIBLE

15:33 <PovAddict> I didn't know iWeb was that bad :)

15:34 <yoyo[work]> strange concept with s or S

15:35 <PovAddict> the SysV system runs any script starting with 'S' when entering that runlevel

15:35 <PovAddict> s30gdm doesn't start with 'S'

15:36 <PovAddict> 'xxxdisabled20gdm' would work just as well

15:38 <yoyo[work]> ok, reboot

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15:43 <yoyo[work]> was working

15:44 <yoyo[work]> why is boinc 6.6 not released for linux64?

15:44 <yoyo[work]> it seems not to increase the used cpu time

15:44 <PovAddict> ask Rom for the 4th time, maybe then he'll listen

15:45 <Tank_Master> cus 64bit linux is to complicated for them?

15:49 <yoyo[work]> in 6.4 now used cpu time increases

15:51 <RomW> Mainly tracking down an issue that causes Linux clients to crash when launching graphics

15:51 <PovAddict> oh? hadn't heard of that before

15:54 <RomW> Well, so far it appears to be isilated to 64-bit Linux running 32-bit apps

15:54 <RomW> But until I can get a stack trace i don't know if it ends there or not

15:54 <PovAddict> so you couldn't reproduce it locally?

15:54 <RomW> Nope, not yet

15:54 <RomW> Kathryn reported it this morning

15:55 <MTughan> It's 5AM where Kathryn is now, so she won't be awake for a couple hours.

15:55 <PovAddict> heh

15:55 <RomW> yup

15:56 <MTughan> I have a 64-bit Linux VM though. I could try and test it now.

15:56 <MTughan> It does have OpenGL support.

15:56 <yoyo[work]> I just run a 64bit linux version from usb stick

15:57 <RomW> Well the private drop with full symbols is here:

15:57 <Romulus> <> (at

15:57 <MTughan> Or maybe it doesn't have OpenGL support... I thought it did.

15:58 <yoyo[work]> which project should we use as test?

15:58 <RomW> Kathryn reported it against FC10

15:58 <MTughan> I can test it on a F10 VM soon.

15:58 <RomW> Kathryn reported the issue against E@H

15:58 <MTughan> K.

15:59 <PovAddict> CPDN graphics work badly in a compositing window manager

15:59 <PovAddict> anything black is *transparent*

16:00 <DerMeister> CPDN graphics work badly in almost every case because they need a huge amout of CPU time

16:00 <PovAddict> DerMeister: I didn't mean "slow"

16:00 <DerMeister> Well, slow is bad, too, I'd say ;)

16:01 <PovAddict> wow that made a mess...

16:01 <PovAddict> I extracted the private drop in its own directory

16:01 <PovAddict> I started the manager, which obviously failed to connect to my already-running client because gui_rpc_auth.cfg is elsewhere

16:01 <PovAddict> and it *started the daemon itself*

16:01 <PovAddict> I think it should behave differently depending on whether it's a connect error or authentication error

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16:02 <yoyo[work]> version 6.6 does not show increasing cpu time, but the app is running

16:03 <RomW> Is the app checkpointing regularly?

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16:03 <yoyo[work]> no, only every 10 minutes

16:04 <PovAddict> RomW: it's not even enabling the "Show graphics" button here

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16:04 <RomW> Does the CPU time increase when it does checkpoint?

16:04 <PovAddict> ah nevermind... since I'm running in a different directory, it behaves as if it was connected remotely

16:05 <DerMeister> PovAddict: Did you connect to localhost?

16:05 <PovAddict> yes

16:05 <DerMeister> Then the button should be enabled

16:05 <PovAddict> localhost, typed password manually

16:05 <PovAddict> does it know where the data dir is?

16:05 <DerMeister> Does it have to?

16:06 <PovAddict> the manager starts the graphics app

16:06 <DerMeister> I know

16:06 <PovAddict> so it has to know where the graphics app is

16:06 <PovAddict> hmm

16:06 <DerMeister> I just tested with BOINC Manager 6.4.5 and synecdoche client running in a different directory (obviously) and a cpdn task

16:06 <PovAddict> <graphics_exec_path> is an absolute path so it really should work

16:06 <DerMeister> I can open the graphics app from BOINC Manager

16:08 <yoyo[work]> if I give the boinc manager window some events, than it increases cpu time

16:08 <PovAddict> yoyo[work]: so it refreshes only if you move the mouse around?

16:09 <PovAddict> RomW: what's the function that decides whether to enable the Show graphics button?

16:09 <yoyo[work]> yes

16:09 <PovAddict> (I'm on the debugger, I want to know where to set a breakpoint)

16:10 <yoyo[work]> hmm

16:10 <RomW> CViewWork::UpdateSelection

16:10 <RomW> yoyo, which OS?

16:10 <yoyo[work]> graphics button is active, but no graphics pops up

16:11 <yoyo[work]> ubuntu64

16:11 <PovAddict> ugh this will be annoying to debug... it's called every second

16:11 <xcamel> 'lo

16:11 <xcamel> 'lo Rom

16:11 <RomW> Howdy

16:11 <xcamel> welcome back..

16:11 <RomW> thx

16:12 <PovAddict> oh what fun, stepping through -O2 code

16:12 <MTughan_> Okay, the VM should have OpenGL support in a sec...

16:13 <xcamel> linux crash when starting graphics.. lemme see here...

16:13 <MTughan_> xcamel: 64-bit Linux?

16:13 <xcamel> 32 bit

16:13 <PovAddict> result->supports_graphics==false

16:14 <xcamel> checking supercamel

16:14 <PovAddict> result->graphics_exec_path not empty

16:15 <xcamel> clicking on 'show graphics" >> seti doing astropulse >> no graphics pop up. (32 bit) fedora 8

16:15 <xcamel> however einstein does.

16:15 <yoyo[work]> PovAddict: which einstein app do you have?

16:15 <PovAddict> I don't

16:16 <PovAddict> I'm not even attached to einstein; i'm testing with other projects

16:16 <yoyo[work]> ah

16:16 <PovAddict> and I found why the button isn't enabled: task preempted :P used to be that I could start graphics on preempted-but-in-memory apps

16:17 <xcamel> arecibo binary pulsar 1.04

16:18 <xcamel> astropulse v5 5.03 does not even when running

16:19 <RomW> The only other clue I have to work with is the graphics app is a 32-bit app

16:19 <xcamel> most likely

16:19 <xcamel> not at work, so I can't check the 2 64 bit boxes

16:20 <PovAddict> okay, trying with Leiden (which doesn't have a separate graphics app)

16:20 <RomW> I don't think that'll help

16:20 <MTughan_> RomW: What version of BOINC were you testing?

16:20 <PovAddict> boincmgr 6.6.29 private drop doesn't work, synecmgr r785 does open the graphics window

16:20 <RomW> That'll just kick off a show window message on the graphics channel...

16:21 <RomW> 6.6.29

16:21 <MTughan_> K.

16:21 <MTughan_> glxinfo reports direct rendering support, so I'm going to try it.

16:21 <RomW> Although, I haven't been able to repro, But Kathryn has...

16:22 <PovAddict> next time you make a private drop with symbols, please disable optimizations...

16:22 <PovAddict> (gdb) print result

16:22 <PovAddict> $11 = <value optimized out>

16:22 <PovAddict> not to mention the control flow jumping all over the place

16:22 <RomW> yeah, I'll have to figure that out, its all new to me since Eric started tweaking things

16:23 <jasong> That short-haired black woman on the Today show said something really stupid

16:23 <PovAddict> "CXXFLAGS=-O0 -g" at least

16:23 <RomW> lol

16:23 <RomW> I know that much

16:23 <jasong> She said the discovery of the recent fossil was the equivalent of finding the Lost Ark

16:23 <PovAddict> btw, since Eric added libtool, I'm unable to do a successful parallel build

16:24 <RomW> file a bug and assign it to him

16:25 <PovAddict> already did, and even told him on gtalk, it's in his giant todo list

16:25 <RomW> ah, okay...

16:25 <PovAddict> okay, now this debugging will get even MORE painful: async RPC threads...

16:26 <MTughan_> Were benchmarks increased in length since 6.2.x?

16:26 <MTughan_> Uh... I may have found another bug.

16:26 <MTughan_> 20897 Whetstone, 94984 Dhrystone as reported by BOINC.

16:27 <PovAddict> fast :)

16:27 <MTughan_> My processor is nowhere near that fast.

16:27 <RomW> nope

16:27 <MTughan_> 3078 Whet and 9446 Dhry as reported native.

16:27 <RomW> they haven't been changed in forever

16:28 <PovAddict> compiler settings

16:28 <PovAddict> or aliens messing up with *that* one benchmark run

16:28 <MTughan_> I'll do them again...

16:28 <RomW> Native or VM?

16:28 <MTughan_> VM.

16:29 <RomW> Which VM package?

16:29 <MTughan_> VirtualBox 2.2.2.

16:29 <RomW> hmmm

16:29 <MTughan_> There, that one went better...

16:29 <RomW> Haven't played with that one yet

16:29 <MTughan_> 9342 Dhry and 2621 Whet.

16:29 <MTughan_> Little bit slower than native.

16:30 <RomW> With VMs the other factor is how they manage their timing loops

16:30 <MTughan_> Hmm... E@H WU errors immediately.

16:30 <RomW> Whether or not they are using processor extensions and the like

16:30 <PovAddict> VMs have another issue: clock drift

16:30 <MTughan_> My only native Linux installation is Ubuntu 9.04, which I hear has issues.

16:31 <PovAddict> if the VM simulation of the clock isn't exact, the clock inside might drift... what if the VM Additions sync drifted host and guest clocks *while* benchmarks run?

16:31 <MTughan_> Hmm...

16:31 <Romulus> <> (at

16:31 <RomW> I'm not worried about the benchmarks through a VM

16:31 <MTughan_> That's not a VM error.

16:31 <PovAddict> &boincerr -200

16:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: wrong size

16:32 <PovAddict> truncated download?

16:32 <MTughan_> Okay, next batch downloaded correctly.

16:33 <MTughan_> Although I think I'm setting major clock drift here...

16:33 <MTughan_> seeing*

16:33 <MTughan_> The VM clock is a minute behind now, just from running a WU.

16:34 <RomW> Just focus on the graphics crashing the manager

16:34 <RomW> the rest is just a distraction

16:34 <MTughan_> When is it supposed to crash?

16:34 <RomW> :)

16:34 <RomW> as soon as the button is hit

16:34 <MTughan_> Nope, graphics window came up. It's slow, but it's working.

16:35 <RomW> Okay...

16:35 <RomW> Then things might not be as bad as I feared

16:36 <PovAddict> RomW: is AsyncRPC.cpp in the private drop any different from the one in the boinc_core_release_6_6_29 tag?

16:36 <RomW> nope

16:36 <PovAddict> the source I have doesn't seem to match the code

16:36 <RomW> well

16:36 <RomW> maybe

16:36 <PovAddict> says its in a function but line numbers don't match it

16:37 <RomW> yup, Charlie checked in two bug fixes, I forgot about...

16:38 <xcamel> just a note.. 6.6.2 or so had a click and drag select working in manager, then it went a way. any chance to get it back?

16:38 <xcamel> again, in linux

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16:38 <PovAddict> RomW: so I should checkout the 6.6 branch?

16:38 <PovAddict> hmm 6.6a

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16:42 <MTughan_> Interesting... Apparently, 4chan and eBaum's World have been bombing Youtube today with porn videos. o_O

16:43 <xcamel> children...

16:45 <PovAddict> ok I might have found something

16:47 <PovAddict> yep got it

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16:47 <PovAddict> graphics for v5 apps, boincmgr is passing display ":", synecmgr is passing display ":0.0"

16:51 <DerMeister> I know I fixed a graphics-on-Linux related bug for synecdoche a few months ago...

16:51 <DerMeister> But I don't remember what was the problem

16:54 <DerMeister> Could it be this one?

16:54 <Romulus> <> (at

16:56 <PovAddict> yes! it's possible m_strDefaultDisplay is a multi-byte string and the cast is just making it shut up, when in fact it's truncating everything past the first character

16:57 <PovAddict> a null byte is not a null terminator

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17:09 <RomW> fixed that issue

17:10 <RomW> still not quite the issue i'm trying to figure out though.

17:11 <PovAddict> I couldn't reproduce that one either, so :)

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17:27 <FreeLarry58> k finally figured out why that machine wasn't dl'ing any gpu or seti units - had 6.4.5 -- updated to 6.6.28 and it started getting work again

17:33 <CoderForLife> you're so deprecated

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17:36 <Ageless93> milkyway CUDA app is about ready.

17:36 <Ageless93> and Pirates Cube 6.03 Windows downloads should be fixed now

17:37 <MTughan_> I wish they'd just get the GPU project up for the ATI cards though... They're always running short of work.

17:37 <Ageless93> as i posted in some thread there... "As long as BOINC doesn't support detection of ATI GPUs yet, any 'official' application still has to use the anonymous platform or a wrapper."

17:38 <MTughan_> So?

17:38 <Romulus> hmm... So is the company that uses the solar panels green, MTughan_

17:38 <FreeLarry58> true CoderForLife - way behind in updating software here

17:38 <Ageless93> which isn't very useful for the project to update

17:39 <Ageless93> and I think if they set up the GPU project to only work with the GPU scheduler (on the server), tehre's no way for other apps to catch work anyway

17:42 <FreeLarry58> humm seti still hands out some wu's for my machines that don't have cuda on them but looks like i have to update a few more to newer CC

17:48 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:48 <MTughan_> 'lo Doug

17:49 <wdsmia> *lo Michael

17:59 <CoderForLife> time for me to elevate my heels - gn all

17:59 <RomW> night

18:00 <wdsmia> cya Don

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18:16 <Tank_Master> CFL wares heels?

18:16 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a large Carp

18:16 <Ageless93> you jealous?

18:54 <RomW> g'night, signing off

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19:52 <Tank_Master> brb, updating NIC driver

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20:04 <Ageless93[Away]> I'm off to bed. Night all.

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21:20 <Soul_keeper> [quote=[BOINCstats] Willy]

21:20 <Soul_keeper> Scrapers profit from (read: steal) the work of others and present the data as their own.

21:20 <Soul_keeper> [/quote][/quote]

21:21 <Soul_keeper> is a scraper site then

21:21 <Soul_keeper> they grab the xml files from another location, generate income from advertisements and paypal donations, and claim the work is their own

21:22 <MTughan> He generates stats. We know where the data's from.

21:22 <Soul_keeper> who is "we" ?

21:24 <Soul_keeper> it's not stated on the website, therefore a normal web user would assume it is data, as that is how it's presented

21:25 <Soul_keeper> the entire site is a scraper outfit

21:28 <Soul_keeper> willy is a hypocrite

21:30 <MTughan> Well, take it up with someone at BOINC then.

21:30 <MTughan> DA or Rom would do.

21:30 <MTughan> It that turns out to be the case, Willy can change his site. As you could've.

21:31 <Soul_keeper> I never had a site ... just 1 image

21:31 <MTughan> You still could've changed the image instead of making excuses why you shouldn't.

21:32 <Soul_keeper> but anyways, I'm not sure if you can read my posts on that forum thread.  but by my calculations I was using a fraction of the bandwidth and equal amount of server/db load  as someone just viewing the website

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21:32 <MTughan> My previous point still applies.

21:32 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you lost me with that direction

21:33 <MTughan> The excuse was that you didn't generate enough bandwidth to have to donate to use the stats. I'm sure you could've just put an attribution link on the image, and Willy would've been fine.

21:34 <Soul_keeper> I was given no option like that

21:34 <MTughan> Even if it was just 2-3 people regularly checking the image on a daily basis.

21:34 <MTughan> You didn't ask for one.

21:34 <Soul_keeper> I was just banned without ever being talked to

21:34 <Soul_keeper> "indefinately purged"  was the term

21:35 <Soul_keeper> but regardless it's the kid's site and he can kick whoever he wants out of his sandbox

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21:35 <Soul_keeper> My point is he's a hypocrite and his acusations are baseless

21:36 <MTughan> It is his site. He doesn't have to provide this service. We're glad that he does.

21:36 <Soul_keeper> who is "we're" ?

21:37 <MTughan> Anyone who actually uses the site. I am, and I'm sure a couple more people in this channel are as well.

21:37 <Soul_keeper> so as long as the site is usefull to you and they are kind to you, then so what if they piss on someone else ?

21:37 <MTughan> Hey, I wasn't the one scraping or insulting Willy.

21:38 <Soul_keeper> I didn't insult him untill he insulted me

21:38 <Soul_keeper> and I wasn't "scraping" i was viewing 3 websites

21:38 <Soul_keeper> 3 html pages, without images

21:39 <MTughan> /ignored

21:40 <Soul_keeper> good

21:40 <Soul_keeper> people treat me like shit around here

21:40 <wdsmia> asks Soul_keeper to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

21:40 <MTughan> Glad I can't see that...

21:41 <Soul_keeper> yeah atleast I'm an adult

21:41 <PovAddict> I can't believe you are still ranting about the scraping thing

21:41 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, aren't you supposed to have me on ignore too ?

21:41 <PovAddict> if you say so

21:42 * PovAddict ignores

21:42 <Soul_keeper> hopefully the rest of the 18yr old punks will put me on ignore too

21:43 <Soul_keeper> I'm just glad these kids don't have ops here, i've been in irc channels like that before ....  they try to convince you to kill yourself and that you are worthless

21:46 <Soul_keeper> you little bastards need to learn some respect, unfortunately I can't teach it to you over the internet.

21:49 <Soul_keeper> lol, has a   "web data scraping"  "web scraping tool"   advertisement at the top of their website.  Enough said.

21:51 <Soul_keeper> They treated me like dirt, I AM A HUMAN BEING GOD DAMNIT AND I DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT.   nobody treats me like that

21:53 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict MTughan  and anyone of you other people who choose to treat me like you're my master are wrong.  And if there is a god it'll come back around.

21:58 <Soul_keeper> apparently any 18yr old punk can run a website, I should know better than to let these things get to me

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23:16 <FreeLarry58> humm guess the upgrade went well 24 hrs and still running

23:17 <FreeLarry58> PovAddict primes screen saver only gives a runtime error after it reaches what appears to be 100% on progress bar

23:17 <PovAddict> looking in the manager, does it ever go above 100%?

23:17 <FreeLarry58> maybe an update to just loop the progress bar for the screen saver would fix for the cuda machines?

23:17 <PovAddict> 100.01%?

23:18 <FreeLarry58> nope - screen saver progress and manager progress do not agree

23:18 <PovAddict> hmmm

23:18 <PovAddict> what app?

23:18 <Romulus> Somebody said what app is that btw, PovAddict

23:18 <PovAddict> PG subproject

23:18 <FreeLarry58> prime grid ahh proth prime 64

23:19 <PovAddict> Proth Prime LLR?

23:20 <FreeLarry58> 5/20/2009 7:47:17 PM|PrimeGrid|Starting pps_sr2sieve_710992_0

23:20 <FreeLarry58> 5/20/2009 7:47:17 PM|PrimeGrid|Starting task pps_sr2sieve_710992_0 using pps_sr2sieve version 107

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23:20 <PovAddict> if I remember correctly, my screensaver was never made to support sieve tasks...

23:21 <FreeLarry58> ahh but it runs for them

23:21 <PovAddict> yes, it "runs", but it doesn't know how to read its progress

23:21 <Soul_keeper> The PovAddict show 24/7  ....   that's bout' all I can take, bye.

23:21 <jasong> The screensaver doesn't do much, the animations are just downloaded stuff

23:21 <FreeLarry58> and only machines giving errors seem to be cuda's

23:21 <PovAddict> so it may enter "test mode", where the progress bar goes from 0 to 100 in exactly five minutes

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23:21 <FreeLarry58> true reminds me of the pirates screen

23:22 <FreeLarry58> thats about right

23:23 <FreeLarry58> test mode fine for screen saver for me just a little irating with the beep and error then screen going back to operation

23:23 <FreeLarry58> in normal mode that is not screen saver

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