00:20 <MTughan> Nickuwo: Do you need new Mac apps?
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00:55 <infinisoft> Hi, what to do when trying to attach to WCG I get "Error attaching to project; check Messages for details" and then in Messages tab all it says is "fetching project config"
00:56 <infinisoft> BOINC 5.10.45
00:56 <PovAddict> platform?
00:56 <Romulus> platform is still immature and pricey for now, PovAddict
00:56 <PovAddict> forget platform
00:56 <Romulus> Okay, PovAddict.
00:56 <PovAddict> ffs
01:02 <infinisoft> windows XP 32bit
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02:09 <Nickuwo> MTughan: yes, I'll send it to ya. Thx!
02:11 <MTughan> You forgot the ifdef check again. ;)
02:12 <Nickuwo> ahh, dammit
02:12 <Nickuwo> hehe
02:12 <MTughan> Don't worry, I've put it in.
02:12 <Nickuwo> thx
02:13 <Nickuwo> screw that guys who decide to name his macro check. what a douche
02:13 <MTughan> Heh.
02:13 <Nickuwo> damn that was fast
02:13 <MTughan> I have the commands all made out. ;)
02:14 <Nickuwo> right on
02:14 <MTughan> Hmm... I should make a bash script that does this all for me.
02:14 <MTughan> Can you read tarred bunzip or gunzip?
02:15 <Nickuwo> I have to look into that as well... making dirs and sign_Executables and shit...
02:15 <wdsmia> asks Nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
02:15 <Nickuwo> i think so
02:15 <MTughan> Eh, don't worry about it. I'll make it zip.
02:17 <MTughan> Bash script made. ;)
02:18 <Nickuwo> nice
02:18 <MTughan_> Now I execute the script, and it compiles all three, zips 'em up, and uploads it.
02:18 <Nickuwo> how do you pass arguments into a bash script?
02:18 <Nickuwo> sweet
02:18 <MTughan> Arguments... I know there is a way, I just don't remember it now.
02:19 <MTughan> $1-$9, $0 is the name of the script.
02:19 <MTughan> $@ for all arguments, separated by spaces.
02:20 <Nickuwo> right on, i'll have to have a go at that tomorrow
02:22 <Nickuwo> ur lucky ur not graduating... this job market sux balls
02:23 <Nickuwo> I've got a degree in mathematics and philosophy and i know how to program... and I'm painting fucking kitchen cabinets to pay my rent
02:23 <wdsmia> asks Nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
02:23 <Nickuwo> totally lame
02:24 <Nickuwo> and im done bitching...
02:25 <Nickuwo> i didnt know how to spell douche tho... had to look that up
02:25 <MTughan_> Heh.
02:50 <Tank_Master> waa?
02:50 <Tank_Master> hydrigen has work??
02:50 <Tank_Master> hydrogen*
03:04 <efc> next generation Atom ought to have a much improved chipset, memory controller. 'bout time.
03:04 <Tank_Master> the intergrated vid will also be on the chip
03:05 <Tank_Master> but the same vid as now, just clocked faster
03:05 <Tank_Master> 200MHz instead of 133 or something like that
03:05 <Tank_Master> but all 3 chips (CPU/mem contrlr/vid) will consume 7w total
03:05 <Tank_Master> the current CPU alone consumes 8w
03:06 <efc> the chipset is a particular hog
03:06 <Tank_Master> yeah
03:06 <efc> wart compared to the atom
03:06 <Tank_Master> and they will be loosing that this fall
03:06 <Tank_Master> itll be a 2 chip design
03:06 <CoderForLife> sleep is overrated
03:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
03:06 <Tank_Master> there will still be a south bridge for the disk controllers n whatnot
03:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 52.3°F / 11.3°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 40s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Clear. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;
03:07 <Tank_Master> but it should be compleatly passive, which will be nice
03:08 <Tank_Master> combined with a SSD and a passive powersupply...
03:08 <Tank_Master> no noise at all :P
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03:10 <efc> yeah, dad wants a netbook, might be worth waiting
03:10 <Tank_Master> im sure theill will be an updated ion to
03:10 <efc> also not a lot of netbooks has a SSD yet, at least not at a reasonable price
03:12 <Tank_Master> true
03:12 <Tank_Master> SSD should come down this year
03:13 <Tank_Master> anywho, im off to bed
03:14 <efc> Night
03:18 <efc> I remember my 386sx.. didn't even have a heatsink
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04:12 <efc> watching a robot lawn mower commercial
04:13 <efc> it sounds like it came from Starship Troopers
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06:28 <hawmps> 'lo
06:29 <wdsmia> mornin Jay
06:29 <hawmps> aye
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07:16 <hawmps> &wx 120220
07:16 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
07:16 <hawmps> &wx 12020
07:17 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 52.8°F / 11.6°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Sunny. Warmer with highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 (1 more message)
07:17 <hawmps> &more
07:17 <Romulus> hawmps: mph in the afternoon.;
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07:38 <hawmps> looks like some normal milkyway work out there..
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08:06 <hawmps> conectile dysfunction?
08:18 <ELGono> hehe remember i was searching for a good definition of realtime? ... found a source wich is worth a \cite ;) http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GeekAndPoke/~3/D22MBdqcRnY/back-in-the-days.html
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08:21 <Jackygrahamez> hi
08:21 <Jackygrahamez> &wx 20011
08:21 <Romulus> Jackygrahamez: Temperature: 59.0°F / 15.0°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.52in / 1033.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 50. South winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;
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10:59 <RomW> Howdy
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11:48 <FreeLarry58> &more
11:48 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Thursday - Sunny. Highs in the 60s to lower 70s. North wind 5 to 15 mph.;
11:48 <FreeLarry58> as i thought when going out - chilly
11:50 <FreeLarry58> looks like the upgrade went well and most sites automatically updated to new processor discription without needing a merge :)
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12:55 <wdsmia_w> &more
12:55 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: midnight.; Thursday - Partly sunny. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 70s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the northwest in the afternoon.;
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13:48 <MTughan_> Gah, WTF? The Mac disconnects once last night, the desktop disconnects 4 times.
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14:41 <[2nd-Wave-Booste> Hi @ all
14:42 <yoyo[work]> hi
14:42 <yoyo[work]> ;)
14:42 <[2nd-Wave-Booste> bin auch mal da
14:42 <yoyo[work]> sonst alles idler hier
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15:13 <MTughan> What the... BOINC suspended a WCG after it ran for 2 minutes.
15:13 <PovAddict> version?
15:14 <MTughan> 6.2.19.
15:14 <MTughan> Win7 x64.
15:14 <MTughan> Or x86_64, properly.
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15:24 <CoderForLife> hello
15:25 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
15:25 <CoderForLife> Doctor says I need to see a specialist tomorrow, so off we'll go
15:25 <PovAddict> hmm anything bad?
15:26 <CoderForLife> it looks like I'm on a cardiac stress test machine, but I'm sitting still
15:27 <CoderForLife> aside from that...
15:27 <Tank_Master> An acceptable level of unemployment means that the government economist to whom it is acceptable still has a job."
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15:27 <yoyo[work]> re
15:27 <MTughan> yo yoyo
15:27 <yoyo[work]> how to change the boot runlevel on ubuntu?
15:27 <Tank_Master> "Newlan's Rule: An acceptable level of unemployment means that the government economist to whom it is acceptable still has a job."
15:28 <yoyo[work]> there is no /etc/inittab
15:28 <PovAddict> Ubuntu has no runlevels
15:28 <PovAddict> it replaced init with "upstart", which works differently
15:28 <PovAddict> it *emulates* runlevels, so there is a 'telinit' command
15:29 <yoyo[work]> it boots in text mode, but I want grafik mode
15:29 <PovAddict> is it ubuntu server?
15:29 <yoyo[work]> its dotsch/ux
15:30 <PovAddict> &seen dotsch
15:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: I have not seen dotsch.
15:31 <yoyo[work]> telinit 5 does the job, but I will not type it in every time
15:32 <Romulus> Title: Dotsch_UX (at www.dotsch.de)
15:32 <PovAddict> 4. Tips and tricks
15:32 <PovAddict> To enable the graphical desktop at boot time : sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/s30gdm /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm
15:32 <PovAddict> it's supposed to start in runlevel 2, but he disabled it (by renaming the script to have a lowercase 's')
15:33 <PovAddict> damn his website code is HORRIBLE
15:33 <PovAddict> I didn't know iWeb was that bad :)
15:34 <yoyo[work]> strange concept with s or S
15:35 <PovAddict> the SysV system runs any script starting with 'S' when entering that runlevel
15:35 <PovAddict> s30gdm doesn't start with 'S'
15:36 <PovAddict> 'xxxdisabled20gdm' would work just as well
15:38 <yoyo[work]> ok, reboot
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15:43 <yoyo[work]> was working
15:44 <yoyo[work]> why is boinc 6.6 not released for linux64?
15:44 <yoyo[work]> it seems not to increase the used cpu time
15:44 <PovAddict> ask Rom for the 4th time, maybe then he'll listen
15:45 <Tank_Master> cus 64bit linux is to complicated for them?
15:49 <yoyo[work]> in 6.4 now used cpu time increases
15:51 <RomW> Mainly tracking down an issue that causes Linux clients to crash when launching graphics
15:51 <PovAddict> oh? hadn't heard of that before
15:54 <RomW> Well, so far it appears to be isilated to 64-bit Linux running 32-bit apps
15:54 <RomW> But until I can get a stack trace i don't know if it ends there or not
15:54 <PovAddict> so you couldn't reproduce it locally?
15:54 <RomW> Nope, not yet
15:54 <RomW> Kathryn reported it this morning
15:55 <MTughan> It's 5AM where Kathryn is now, so she won't be awake for a couple hours.
15:55 <PovAddict> heh
15:55 <RomW> yup
15:56 <MTughan> I have a 64-bit Linux VM though. I could try and test it now.
15:56 <MTughan> It does have OpenGL support.
15:56 <yoyo[work]> I just run a 64bit linux version from usb stick
15:57 <RomW> Well the private drop with full symbols is here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgr.200509.x64.sh
15:57 <MTughan> Or maybe it doesn't have OpenGL support... I thought it did.
15:58 <yoyo[work]> which project should we use as test?
15:58 <RomW> Kathryn reported it against FC10
15:58 <MTughan> I can test it on a F10 VM soon.
15:58 <RomW> Kathryn reported the issue against E@H
15:58 <MTughan> K.
15:59 <PovAddict> CPDN graphics work badly in a compositing window manager
15:59 <PovAddict> anything black is *transparent*
16:00 <DerMeister> CPDN graphics work badly in almost every case because they need a huge amout of CPU time
16:00 <PovAddict> DerMeister: I didn't mean "slow"
16:00 <DerMeister> Well, slow is bad, too, I'd say ;)
16:01 <PovAddict> wow that made a mess...
16:01 <PovAddict> I extracted the private drop in its own directory
16:01 <PovAddict> I started the manager, which obviously failed to connect to my already-running client because gui_rpc_auth.cfg is elsewhere
16:01 <PovAddict> and it *started the daemon itself*
16:01 <PovAddict> I think it should behave differently depending on whether it's a connect error or authentication error
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16:02 <yoyo[work]> version 6.6 does not show increasing cpu time, but the app is running
16:03 <RomW> Is the app checkpointing regularly?
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16:03 <yoyo[work]> no, only every 10 minutes
16:04 <PovAddict> RomW: it's not even enabling the "Show graphics" button here
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16:04 <RomW> Does the CPU time increase when it does checkpoint?
16:04 <PovAddict> ah nevermind... since I'm running in a different directory, it behaves as if it was connected remotely
16:05 <DerMeister> PovAddict: Did you connect to localhost?
16:05 <PovAddict> yes
16:05 <DerMeister> Then the button should be enabled
16:05 <PovAddict> localhost, typed password manually
16:05 <PovAddict> does it know where the data dir is?
16:05 <DerMeister> Does it have to?
16:06 <PovAddict> the manager starts the graphics app
16:06 <DerMeister> I know
16:06 <PovAddict> so it has to know where the graphics app is
16:06 <PovAddict> hmm
16:06 <DerMeister> I just tested with BOINC Manager 6.4.5 and synecdoche client running in a different directory (obviously) and a cpdn task
16:06 <PovAddict> <graphics_exec_path> is an absolute path so it really should work
16:06 <DerMeister> I can open the graphics app from BOINC Manager
16:08 <yoyo[work]> if I give the boinc manager window some events, than it increases cpu time
16:08 <PovAddict> yoyo[work]: so it refreshes only if you move the mouse around?
16:09 <PovAddict> RomW: what's the function that decides whether to enable the Show graphics button?
16:09 <yoyo[work]> yes
16:09 <PovAddict> (I'm on the debugger, I want to know where to set a breakpoint)
16:10 <yoyo[work]> hmm
16:10 <RomW> CViewWork::UpdateSelection
16:10 <RomW> yoyo, which OS?
16:10 <yoyo[work]> graphics button is active, but no graphics pops up
16:11 <yoyo[work]> ubuntu64
16:11 <PovAddict> ugh this will be annoying to debug... it's called every second
16:11 <xcamel> 'lo
16:11 <xcamel> 'lo Rom
16:11 <RomW> Howdy
16:11 <xcamel> welcome back..
16:11 <RomW> thx
16:12 <PovAddict> oh what fun, stepping through -O2 code
16:12 <MTughan_> Okay, the VM should have OpenGL support in a sec...
16:13 <xcamel> linux crash when starting graphics.. lemme see here...
16:13 <MTughan_> xcamel: 64-bit Linux?
16:13 <xcamel> 32 bit
16:13 <PovAddict> result->supports_graphics==false
16:14 <xcamel> checking supercamel
16:14 <PovAddict> result->graphics_exec_path not empty
16:15 <xcamel> clicking on 'show graphics" >> seti doing astropulse >> no graphics pop up. (32 bit) fedora 8
16:15 <xcamel> however einstein does.
16:15 <yoyo[work]> PovAddict: which einstein app do you have?
16:15 <PovAddict> I don't
16:16 <PovAddict> I'm not even attached to einstein; i'm testing with other projects
16:16 <yoyo[work]> ah
16:16 <PovAddict> and I found why the button isn't enabled: task preempted :P used to be that I could start graphics on preempted-but-in-memory apps
16:17 <xcamel> arecibo binary pulsar 1.04
16:18 <xcamel> astropulse v5 5.03 does not even when running
16:19 <RomW> The only other clue I have to work with is the graphics app is a 32-bit app
16:19 <xcamel> most likely
16:19 <xcamel> not at work, so I can't check the 2 64 bit boxes
16:20 <PovAddict> okay, trying with Leiden (which doesn't have a separate graphics app)
16:20 <RomW> I don't think that'll help
16:20 <MTughan_> RomW: What version of BOINC were you testing?
16:20 <PovAddict> boincmgr 6.6.29 private drop doesn't work, synecmgr r785 does open the graphics window
16:20 <RomW> That'll just kick off a show window message on the graphics channel...
16:21 <RomW> 6.6.29
16:21 <MTughan_> K.
16:21 <MTughan_> glxinfo reports direct rendering support, so I'm going to try it.
16:21 <RomW> Although, I haven't been able to repro, But Kathryn has...
16:22 <PovAddict> next time you make a private drop with symbols, please disable optimizations...
16:22 <PovAddict> (gdb) print result
16:22 <PovAddict> $11 = <value optimized out>
16:22 <PovAddict> not to mention the control flow jumping all over the place
16:22 <RomW> yeah, I'll have to figure that out, its all new to me since Eric started tweaking things
16:23 <jasong> That short-haired black woman on the Today show said something really stupid
16:23 <PovAddict> "CXXFLAGS=-O0 -g" at least
16:23 <RomW> lol
16:23 <RomW> I know that much
16:23 <jasong> She said the discovery of the recent fossil was the equivalent of finding the Lost Ark
16:23 <PovAddict> btw, since Eric added libtool, I'm unable to do a successful parallel build
16:24 <RomW> file a bug and assign it to him
16:25 <PovAddict> already did, and even told him on gtalk, it's in his giant todo list
16:25 <RomW> ah, okay...
16:25 <PovAddict> okay, now this debugging will get even MORE painful: async RPC threads...
16:26 <MTughan_> Were benchmarks increased in length since 6.2.x?
16:26 <MTughan_> Uh... I may have found another bug.
16:26 <MTughan_> 20897 Whetstone, 94984 Dhrystone as reported by BOINC.
16:27 <PovAddict> fast :)
16:27 <MTughan_> My processor is nowhere near that fast.
16:27 <RomW> nope
16:27 <MTughan_> 3078 Whet and 9446 Dhry as reported native.
16:27 <RomW> they haven't been changed in forever
16:28 <PovAddict> compiler settings
16:28 <PovAddict> or aliens messing up with *that* one benchmark run
16:28 <MTughan_> I'll do them again...
16:28 <RomW> Native or VM?
16:28 <MTughan_> VM.
16:29 <RomW> Which VM package?
16:29 <MTughan_> VirtualBox 2.2.2.
16:29 <RomW> hmmm
16:29 <MTughan_> There, that one went better...
16:29 <RomW> Haven't played with that one yet
16:29 <MTughan_> 9342 Dhry and 2621 Whet.
16:29 <MTughan_> Little bit slower than native.
16:30 <RomW> With VMs the other factor is how they manage their timing loops
16:30 <MTughan_> Hmm... E@H WU errors immediately.
16:30 <RomW> Whether or not they are using processor extensions and the like
16:30 <PovAddict> VMs have another issue: clock drift
16:30 <MTughan_> My only native Linux installation is Ubuntu 9.04, which I hear has issues.
16:31 <PovAddict> if the VM simulation of the clock isn't exact, the clock inside might drift... what if the VM Additions sync drifted host and guest clocks *while* benchmarks run?
16:31 <MTughan_> Hmm... http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/result.php?resultid=127432284
16:31 <RomW> I'm not worried about the benchmarks through a VM
16:31 <MTughan_> That's not a VM error.
16:31 <PovAddict> &boincerr -200
16:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: wrong size
16:32 <PovAddict> truncated download?
16:32 <MTughan_> Okay, next batch downloaded correctly.
16:33 <MTughan_> Although I think I'm setting major clock drift here...
16:33 <MTughan_> seeing*
16:33 <MTughan_> The VM clock is a minute behind now, just from running a WU.
16:34 <RomW> Just focus on the graphics crashing the manager
16:34 <RomW> the rest is just a distraction
16:34 <MTughan_> When is it supposed to crash?
16:34 <RomW> :)
16:34 <RomW> as soon as the button is hit
16:34 <MTughan_> Nope, graphics window came up. It's slow, but it's working.
16:35 <RomW> Okay...
16:35 <RomW> Then things might not be as bad as I feared
16:36 <PovAddict> RomW: is AsyncRPC.cpp in the private drop any different from the one in the boinc_core_release_6_6_29 tag?
16:36 <RomW> nope
16:36 <PovAddict> the source I have doesn't seem to match the code
16:36 <RomW> well
16:36 <RomW> maybe
16:36 <PovAddict> says its in a function but line numbers don't match it
16:37 <RomW> yup, Charlie checked in two bug fixes, I forgot about...
16:38 <xcamel> just a note.. 6.6.2 or so had a click and drag select working in manager, then it went a way. any chance to get it back?
16:38 <xcamel> again, in linux
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16:38 <PovAddict> RomW: so I should checkout the 6.6 branch?
16:38 <PovAddict> hmm 6.6a
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16:42 <MTughan_> Interesting... Apparently, 4chan and eBaum's World have been bombing Youtube today with porn videos. o_O
16:43 <xcamel> children...
16:45 <PovAddict> ok I might have found something
16:47 <PovAddict> yep got it
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16:47 <PovAddict> graphics for v5 apps, boincmgr is passing display ":", synecmgr is passing display ":0.0"
16:51 <DerMeister> I know I fixed a graphics-on-Linux related bug for synecdoche a few months ago...
16:51 <DerMeister> But I don't remember what was the problem
16:54 <DerMeister> Could it be this one? http://code.google.com/p/synecdoche/source/detail?r=580
16:56 <PovAddict> yes! it's possible m_strDefaultDisplay is a multi-byte string and the cast is just making it shut up, when in fact it's truncating everything past the first character
16:57 <PovAddict> a null byte is not a null terminator
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17:09 <RomW> fixed that issue
17:10 <RomW> still not quite the issue i'm trying to figure out though.
17:11 <PovAddict> I couldn't reproduce that one either, so :)
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17:27 <FreeLarry58> k finally figured out why that machine wasn't dl'ing any gpu or seti units - had 6.4.5 -- updated to 6.6.28 and it started getting work again
17:33 <CoderForLife> you're so deprecated
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17:36 <Ageless93> milkyway CUDA app is about ready.
17:36 <Ageless93> and Pirates Cube 6.03 Windows downloads should be fixed now
17:37 <MTughan_> I wish they'd just get the GPU project up for the ATI cards though... They're always running short of work.
17:37 <Ageless93> as i posted in some thread there... "As long as BOINC doesn't support detection of ATI GPUs yet, any 'official' application still has to use the anonymous platform or a wrapper."
17:38 <MTughan_> So?
17:38 <Romulus> hmm... So is the company that uses the solar panels green, MTughan_
17:38 <FreeLarry58> true CoderForLife - way behind in updating software here
17:38 <Ageless93> which isn't very useful for the project to update
17:39 <Ageless93> and I think if they set up the GPU project to only work with the GPU scheduler (on the server), tehre's no way for other apps to catch work anyway
17:42 <FreeLarry58> humm seti still hands out some wu's for my machines that don't have cuda on them but looks like i have to update a few more to newer CC
17:48 <wdsmia> re-hi
17:48 <MTughan_> 'lo Doug
17:49 <wdsmia> *lo Michael
17:59 <CoderForLife> time for me to elevate my heels - gn all
17:59 <RomW> night
18:00 <wdsmia> cya Don
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18:16 <Tank_Master> CFL wares heels?
18:16 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a large Carp
18:16 <Ageless93> you jealous?
18:54 <RomW> g'night, signing off
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19:52 <Tank_Master> brb, updating NIC driver
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20:04 <Ageless93[Away]> I'm off to bed. Night all.
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21:20 <Soul_keeper> [quote=[BOINCstats] Willy]
21:20 <Soul_keeper> Scrapers profit from (read: steal) the work of others and present the data as their own.
21:20 <Soul_keeper> [/quote][/quote]
21:21 <Soul_keeper> boincstats.com is a scraper site then
21:21 <Soul_keeper> they grab the xml files from another location, generate income from advertisements and paypal donations, and claim the work is their own
21:22 <MTughan> He generates stats. We know where the data's from.
21:22 <Soul_keeper> who is "we" ?
21:24 <Soul_keeper> it's not stated on the website, therefore a normal web user would assume it is boincstats.com data, as that is how it's presented
21:25 <Soul_keeper> the entire site is a scraper outfit
21:28 <Soul_keeper> willy is a hypocrite
21:30 <MTughan> Well, take it up with someone at BOINC then.
21:30 <MTughan> DA or Rom would do.
21:30 <MTughan> It that turns out to be the case, Willy can change his site. As you could've.
21:31 <Soul_keeper> I never had a site ... just 1 image
21:31 <MTughan> You still could've changed the image instead of making excuses why you shouldn't.
21:32 <Soul_keeper> but anyways, I'm not sure if you can read my posts on that forum thread. but by my calculations I was using a fraction of the bandwidth and equal amount of server/db load as someone just viewing the website
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21:32 <MTughan> My previous point still applies.
21:32 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you lost me with that direction
21:33 <MTughan> The excuse was that you didn't generate enough bandwidth to have to donate to use the stats. I'm sure you could've just put an attribution link on the image, and Willy would've been fine.
21:34 <Soul_keeper> I was given no option like that
21:34 <MTughan> Even if it was just 2-3 people regularly checking the image on a daily basis.
21:34 <MTughan> You didn't ask for one.
21:34 <Soul_keeper> I was just banned without ever being talked to
21:34 <Soul_keeper> "indefinately purged" was the term
21:35 <Soul_keeper> but regardless it's the kid's site and he can kick whoever he wants out of his sandbox
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21:35 <Soul_keeper> My point is he's a hypocrite and his acusations are baseless
21:36 <MTughan> It is his site. He doesn't have to provide this service. We're glad that he does.
21:36 <Soul_keeper> who is "we're" ?
21:37 <MTughan> Anyone who actually uses the site. I am, and I'm sure a couple more people in this channel are as well.
21:37 <Soul_keeper> so as long as the site is usefull to you and they are kind to you, then so what if they piss on someone else ?
21:37 <MTughan> Hey, I wasn't the one scraping or insulting Willy.
21:38 <Soul_keeper> I didn't insult him untill he insulted me
21:38 <Soul_keeper> and I wasn't "scraping" i was viewing 3 websites
21:38 <Soul_keeper> 3 html pages, without images
21:39 <MTughan> /ignored
21:40 <Soul_keeper> good
21:40 <Soul_keeper> people treat me like shit around here
21:40 <wdsmia> asks Soul_keeper to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
21:40 <MTughan> Glad I can't see that...
21:41 <Soul_keeper> yeah atleast I'm an adult
21:41 <PovAddict> I can't believe you are still ranting about the scraping thing
21:41 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, aren't you supposed to have me on ignore too ?
21:41 <PovAddict> if you say so
21:42 * PovAddict ignores
21:42 <Soul_keeper> hopefully the rest of the 18yr old punks will put me on ignore too
21:43 <Soul_keeper> I'm just glad these kids don't have ops here, i've been in irc channels like that before .... they try to convince you to kill yourself and that you are worthless
21:46 <Soul_keeper> you little bastards need to learn some respect, unfortunately I can't teach it to you over the internet.
21:49 <Soul_keeper> lol, boincstats.com has a "web data scraping" "web scraping tool" advertisement at the top of their website. Enough said.
21:51 <Soul_keeper> They treated me like dirt, I AM A HUMAN BEING GOD DAMNIT AND I DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT. nobody treats me like that
21:53 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict MTughan boincstats.com and anyone of you other people who choose to treat me like you're my master are wrong. And if there is a god it'll come back around.
21:58 <Soul_keeper> apparently any 18yr old punk can run a website, I should know better than to let these things get to me
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23:16 <FreeLarry58> humm guess the upgrade went well 24 hrs and still running
23:17 <FreeLarry58> PovAddict primes screen saver only gives a runtime error after it reaches what appears to be 100% on progress bar
23:17 <PovAddict> looking in the manager, does it ever go above 100%?
23:17 <FreeLarry58> maybe an update to just loop the progress bar for the screen saver would fix for the cuda machines?
23:17 <PovAddict> 100.01%?
23:18 <FreeLarry58> nope - screen saver progress and manager progress do not agree
23:18 <PovAddict> hmmm
23:18 <PovAddict> what app?
23:18 <Romulus> Somebody said what app is that btw, PovAddict
23:18 <PovAddict> PG subproject
23:18 <FreeLarry58> prime grid ahh proth prime 64
23:19 <PovAddict> Proth Prime LLR?
23:20 <FreeLarry58> 5/20/2009 7:47:17 PM|PrimeGrid|Starting pps_sr2sieve_710992_0
23:20 <FreeLarry58> 5/20/2009 7:47:17 PM|PrimeGrid|Starting task pps_sr2sieve_710992_0 using pps_sr2sieve version 107
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23:20 <PovAddict> if I remember correctly, my screensaver was never made to support sieve tasks...
23:21 <FreeLarry58> ahh but it runs for them
23:21 <PovAddict> yes, it "runs", but it doesn't know how to read its progress
23:21 <Soul_keeper> The PovAddict show 24/7 .... that's bout' all I can take, bye.
23:21 <jasong> The screensaver doesn't do much, the animations are just downloaded stuff
23:21 <FreeLarry58> and only machines giving errors seem to be cuda's
23:21 <PovAddict> so it may enter "test mode", where the progress bar goes from 0 to 100 in exactly five minutes
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23:21 <FreeLarry58> true reminds me of the pirates screen
23:22 <FreeLarry58> thats about right
23:23 <FreeLarry58> test mode fine for screen saver for me just a little irating with the beep and error then screen going back to operation
23:23 <FreeLarry58> in normal mode that is not screen saver
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