IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-05-21

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00:03 <Nickuwo> CAn you run both CPU and GPU versions of the same project?

00:09 <PovAddict> I don't think so

00:13 <Nickuwo> but a project can have both versions available at the same time, right?

00:14 <PovAddict> yes

00:14 <PovAddict> in theory

00:14 <Nickuwo> interesting

00:14 <Nickuwo> hasnt been done in practice?

00:14 <PovAddict> in practice, it either doesn't work or devs are clueless; look at MilkyWay

00:14 <PovAddict> they created a new project for the GPU app

00:14 <Nickuwo> i c

00:14 <PovAddict> I'd say they're clueless either way

00:15 <PovAddict> if it doesn't work, they should complain it doesn't work, instead of working around it with a separate project

00:17 <Nickuwo> truwe

00:50 <Tank_Master> Nickuwo!

00:50 <Tank_Master> wazz upo?

00:51 <Nickuwo> Hey Tank, not much, just getting ready for bed. u?

00:51 <Tank_Master> just watching tv ;p

00:51 <Nickuwo> right on

00:52 <Nickuwo> welp, ill talk to ya l8r. night!

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01:21 <FreeLarry58> humm seti wu check to see if gpu acceleration is supported and if it is runs as gpu i believe from looking at results

01:22 * FreeLarry58 doesn't think he's right on money but maybe close

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01:59 <zombie67> i've got soul, but I'm not a soldier.

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02:15 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

02:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 57.3F / 14.1C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Clear. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. South winds around 5 mph.; Thursday Night - Clear. Lows in the upper 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.;

02:17 <CoderForLife> thx Rommie

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02:46 <zombie67> pov?

02:46 <Romulus> hmm... pov is usually not got for very long, zombie67

02:52 <zombie67> tons of quiet

02:53 <yoyo[RKN]> zombie67 ?

02:53 <Romulus> zombie67 is considering upgrading to leopard, yoyo[RKN]

02:54 <zombie67> hi yoyo!

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03:28 <zombie67> /var/folders/Sa/SamXSUQTHjKxuCJNgWEo4++++TI/-Tmp-/com.apple.mail.drag/capt.photo_1242861607479-1-0.jpg

03:28 <zombie67> dang

03:28 <zombie67> http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Emailed-Photos/ss/1756/im:/090519/481/08fc56f8811e4fdc9ac54f69c17775e1#photoViewer=/090520/photos_us_rank_afp/661c47bc12f0d89b30691e3ce2e3576b

03:28 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/o3b7hq> (at news.yahoo.com)

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06:28 <hawmps> 'lo

06:29 <wdsmia> morn Jay

06:31 <hawmps> hola

07:04 <CoderForLife> morning

07:06 <hawmps> 'lo Don

07:06 <CoderForLife> Hey Jay

07:07 <CoderForLife> nice day ahead for you?

07:07 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

07:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 53.7F / 12.1C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 50s. Southwest winds around 5 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. (1 more message)

07:08 <CoderForLife> &more

07:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Southeast winds around 5 mph.;

07:09 <CoderForLife> bbiab  breakfast

07:10 <hawmps> twigs and grubs only...

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07:12 <Devedse> hey guys, this is the boinc channel of that programm to use multiple computers to compute something right?

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11:33 <RomW> Morning

11:44 <FreeLarry58> morn all

11:44 <PovAddict> zombie67?

11:44 <Romulus> Somebody said zombie67 is considering upgrading to leopard, PovAddict

11:45 <FreeLarry58> PovAddict?

11:45 <Romulus> PovAddict is the only one who could really help you right now, FreeLarry58

11:46 <FreeLarry58> really - did he find my head rolling down the street?

11:48 <PovAddict> damned bot

11:48 <PovAddict> forget zombie67

11:48 <Romulus> 10-4!

11:48 <PovAddict> forget PovAddict

11:48 <Romulus> 10-4, PovAddict.

11:56 <FreeLarry58> lol

11:57 <FreeLarry58> just noticed that when seti enhanced using gpu it causes interference with BURP units on progress ie B wu stalls while using cpu time continues

12:00 <FreeLarry58> k that explains it when gpu seti starts up it takes all but 1% of cpu usage from burp

12:01 <FreeLarry58> at least on start up

12:02 <FreeLarry58> humm gpu grid needs to add at least one day to deadline date for lowend vid cards at least if they plan on letting the user have any computer time at all

12:03 <FreeLarry58> and gpu the only wu's that are using the vid card that is

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13:06 <hawmps> damn.. 85F and climbing

13:11 <CoderForLife> home again

13:11 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

13:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 80.9F / 27.2C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 50s. Southwest winds around 5 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. (1 more message)

13:12 <CoderForLife> &more

13:12 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Southeast winds around 5 mph.;

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13:53 <KathrynM> I honestly don't get the 6.6 scheduler.

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13:53 <KathrynM> ABC: RS 14%, E@H RS: 1.4%

13:54 <KathrynM> WUs ABC 1 E@H 5

13:54 <KathrynM> wtf

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13:55 <KathrynM> and no way there's .75 days of work cached.

13:55 <PovAddict> <mattl> we need an anti-social network.

13:55 <PovAddict> <mattl> in which every time you befriend someone, it blocks you from seeing all their activity, etc.

13:55 <KathrynM> with only 5wus on the system (1abc/4e@H obviously I can't count)

13:56 <KathrynM> sounds good to me PovAddict

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13:58 <gauge> PovAddict: your idea remind be of IdleRPG.

13:58 <gauge> *reminds me

13:58 <PovAddict> heh

13:58 <PovAddict> (not my idea, mattl's :P)

13:59 <Tank_Master> KM!

13:59 <Tank_Master> howdy Jackygrahamez

14:02 <Jackygrahamez> hey

14:02 <Jackygrahamez> trying to figure out an easy fix for this style sheet

14:02 <Jackygrahamez> http://hydrogenathome.org/index.php

14:02 <Romulus> Title: Hydrogen@Home (at hydrogenathome.org)

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14:23 <MTughan> Gah, it's how in here...

14:23 <MTughan> hot*

14:23 <MTughan> &wx YOW

14:23 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 81°F / 27°C | Humidity: 25% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM EDT; Today - Sunny. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) gusting to 40 km/h (25 mph) this afternoon. High 30C(86F). UV index 8 or very high.; Tonight - Clear. Becoming cloudy periods overnight. Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) (1 more message)

14:23 <MTughan> I don't think I have any AC, so I've had to turn off one core on my CPU to keep the temps down.

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14:24 <MTughan> Jackygrahamez: What's the problem with the style sheet?

14:26 <KathrynM> looks ok to me aside from the stupid huge uotd picture overflowing its box

14:26 <Jackygrahamez> That's what I'm saying, can I either shrink it or chop it off?

14:27 <MTughan> Give me a sec...

14:27 <PovAddict> showing pictures there seems like a bad idea in any case

14:27 <DerMeister> overflow:hidden or something like this might help

14:27 <PovAddict> it's now the most prominent thing in the project website

14:27 <PovAddict> your project looks like an ad for CANAL Boinc

14:30 <MTughan> I'd agree, probably disable pictures. You can get the picture to size down, but it'd require some HTML editing, it can't be done in CSS AFAIK.

14:30 <PovAddict> it can be done, #uotd img { max-width: 100px; }

14:30 <Jackygrahamez> tried overflow:hidden in the corresponding div on they style.css...no effect

14:30 <MTughan> You could use the width CSS element, but that would also size up picture...

14:30 <PovAddict> but no matter the size, it's still prominent

14:30 <MTughan> Oh, I didn't know max-width.

14:31 <MTughan> PovAddict: What about setting max-width to 40px or so?

14:31 <DerMeister> Is max-width really supported well?

14:31 <PovAddict> DerMeister: guess

14:31 <DerMeister> I'd say no then :P

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14:31 <PovAddict> all except IE

14:31 <MTughan> lol

14:32 <PovAddict> MTughan: max-width: 40px gives it a 10px height; it looks like a tiny tiny icon

14:32 <MTughan> Why does that not surprise me?

14:32 <DerMeister> even something strange like firefox (2) and safari? o_O

14:32 <PovAddict> as far as I know, IE is the only not to have max-width/max-height; but I can't test that

14:33 <DerMeister> Once I had to deal with php/html/css our target browsers were firefox and ie. When adding new elements we tried to keep to the html/css standard...

14:34 <MTughan> Didn't work well?

14:34 <DerMeister> There was only one browser which did what we wanted: opera... for all targeted browsers we had to implement evil hacks

14:34 <DerMeister> most of them for ie6 of course but ie7 and firefox weren't really good as well

14:35 <Tank_Master> what site are you guys talking about?

14:36 <MTughan> http://hydrogenathome.org/index.php

14:36 <Romulus> Title: Hydrogen@Home (at hydrogenathome.org)

14:36 <Tank_Master> I have both IE8 and FF 3.5 I can test it on

14:36 <PovAddict> http://browsershots.org/http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/test-max-width.html <- testing max-width support

14:36 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/qy9fy4> (at browsershots.org)

14:37 <PovAddict> five results arrived

14:38 <Jackygrahamez> I'm on safari right now

14:38 <KathrynM> gonna attempt to sleep

14:38 <Jackygrahamez> no effect

14:38 <PovAddict> will take quite a while to get IE results

14:39 <PovAddict> Jackygrahamez: I was giving an idea... there is no 'uotd' class or ID

14:39 <PovAddict> I didn't even look at the HTML

14:39 <PovAddict> also, the syntax you're using is looking for a <uotd> tag :P

14:39 <Tank_Master> pov's site changes the with of the pov's site looks hte same on IE8 and FF 3.5

14:39 <PovAddict> try #welcome img [...]

14:40 <Tank_Master> faa, it didnt clear out my first txt.

14:40 <Tank_Master> pov's site looks hte same on IE8 and FF 3.5

14:41 <Tank_Master> though IE8 loads it faster than FF3.5

14:41 <PovAddict> not surprising, Firefox is quite slow

14:42 <Jackygrahamez> no effect when I do this welcome img {max-width: 10px; }

14:42 <Jackygrahamez> welcome img {max-width: 10px; }

14:42 <Jackygrahamez> welcome img {max-width: 10px; }

14:42 <Jackygrahamez> welcome img {max-width: 10px; }

14:42 <Jackygrahamez> welcome img {max-width: 10px; }

14:42 <Jackygrahamez> blahh

14:42 <PovAddict> it's #welcome, not welcome

14:42 <Jackygrahamez> ah

14:43 <Jackygrahamez> that's the spot

14:44 <PovAddict> MTughan: I think browsershots is in need for a Mac/Safari 4.0 screenshot factory

14:44 <MTughan> PovAddict: You suggesting something? :P

14:44 <PovAddict> I *might* not be

14:45 <PovAddict> they seem to have no factories at all for that platform combination

14:46 <PovAddict> and, not surprisingly, there are many IE6 factories but not enough for the demand... I might try to set up a VM for it

14:46 <Jackygrahamez> anyone try chrome yet?

14:46 <PovAddict> I tried it

14:47 <PovAddict> the JS engine is really very fast, but Safari may beat it soon

14:47 <PovAddict> I hate the user interface; doesn't fit with the rest of Windows

14:47 <MTughan> Neither does Safari 4.

14:47 <PovAddict> no version of Safari or iTunes ever fit on Windows

14:48 <PovAddict> iTunes is also *slow* on Windows

14:48 <PovAddict> (never personally tried Safari)

14:48 <MTughan> Safari 3 has the same look as iTunes.

14:48 <PovAddict> exactly

14:48 <MTughan> Safari 4 looks more native, but it also uses the tabs at the top.

14:48 <PovAddict> ah yes, I remember

14:48 <PovAddict> Safari 4 was actually used as an example of how Chrome should be

14:49 <MTughan> I don't know. I hate tabs at the top.

14:49 <MTughan> And neither has great tab handling yet.

14:49 <PovAddict> to say "see Google? you can put the tabs on top and look native too!"

14:49 <MTughan> I always use my scroll wheel to scroll through tabs in Firefox, but neither Chrome or Safari support that.

14:49 <PovAddict> because they used "we wanted tabs on top" as an excuse to have a custom theme

14:50 <PovAddict> I use the scroll wheel too, switching tabs with scroll wheel is a feature of GTK and Qt actually

14:51 <MTughan> Well, I tried opening all the tabs I have always open in Firefox in Safari or Chrome, and it wasn't pretty.

14:51 <MTughan> Safari wasn't bad, but it's hard to select one at either extreme, and Chrome just squishes all the tabs.

14:51 <PovAddict> sometimes I close tabs and I hear swapping :)

14:51 <MTughan> lol

14:51 <PovAddict> I once left a browser window with around five tabs for like a whole day without even un-minimizing it

14:53 <MTughan> I have 42 tabs open in FF ATM...

14:53 <MTughan> It's the answer to life. :P

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15:19 <hawmps> and everything...

15:27 <CoderForLife> if we only knew the right questions to ask

15:28 <Tank_Master> isnt p0rn great?

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15:30 <Tank_Master> so I guess your trying to tell me thats not the right question?

15:31 <CoderForLife> you've seen through my Jedi mind trick

15:31 <CoderForLife> these aren't the droids you're looking for

15:31 <Tank_Master> oh but they are

15:32 <Tank_Master> brb, need to feed the cats...

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15:53 <FreeLarry58> humm i think Tank_Master likes furry friends

15:54 <FreeLarry58> &social

15:54 <Romulus> http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/boinc-current.png

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16:54 <wdsmia> re-hi

16:54 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

16:55 <Tank_Master> &cad

16:55 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

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17:34 * KathrynM groans

17:36 <PovAddict> "please state the nature of the medical emergency: I had to get up."

17:38 <KathrynM> nature called.

17:39 <Tank_Master> "please state the nature of the medical emergency: I have been up for more than 4 hrs."

17:39 <KathrynM> i could go back to bed, but my alarm would go off before I actually got a full sleep cycle in.

17:39 <KathrynM> And since I have a meeting at 9:30 I can't hit snooze

17:39 <Tank_Master> lol

17:39 <Tank_Master> that sucks

17:40 <PovAddict> interrupted sleep cycles suck

17:44 <CoderForLife> off to rest -  gn

17:45 <Tank_Master> gn

18:03 <KathrynM> I hate vacation responders

18:10 <PovAddict> yeah

18:11 <PovAddict> they should set it so it's not sent to mailing lists

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18:27 <Nickuwo> is it just my project or are all boinc forum rss feed f'd up?

18:27 <Nickuwo> stupid widgets cant read it...

18:28 <PovAddict> works for me

18:29 <Nickuwo> hmm

18:29 <PovAddict> what RSS reader are you using?

18:30 <Nickuwo> idk, its called hermes. carppy vista widget. only free one i could find

18:30 <PovAddict> what's the feed URL?

18:30 <Nickuwo> http://www.ramseyathome.com/ramsey/forum_rss.php?forumid=3&userid=&nitems=

18:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/r4rnof> (at www.ramseyathome.com)

18:31 <PovAddict> that one IS broken!

18:31 <Nickuwo> hmm

18:31 <Tank_Master> yeah, it no worky for me either

18:31 <Nickuwo> works in firefow

18:31 <Nickuwo> for me at least..

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18:31 <Nickuwo> what does it give you guys?

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18:32 <Tank_Master> cannot display page in IE8

18:32 <Nickuwo> yea, i saw that too

18:32 <Nickuwo> firefox digs it tho...

18:32 <Tank_Master> and FF 3.5 seems to reconise it as a RSS feed, but it has no imfo

18:33 <Tank_Master> just the generic message to click the button to subscribe to the feed

18:33 <Nickuwo> wierd

18:33 <Nickuwo> this work for ya?

18:33 <Nickuwo> http://www.ramseyathome.com/ramsey/rss_main.php

18:33 <Romulus> Title: Ramsey@homeRamsey@homeI fixed it! (at www.ramseyathome.com)

18:34 <Nickuwo> worked for rommie

18:34 <PovAddict> no it didn't

18:34 <Tank_Master> yes, in both

18:34 <PovAddict> rommie just blindly takes <title> tags

18:34 <PovAddict> he doesn't even know if it's HTML or RSS

18:34 <PovAddict> Nickuwo: apply this http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/boinc/forum-rss-fix.diff

18:34 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ppeccx> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)

18:34 <Nickuwo> that's not the title...

18:35 <PovAddict> Nickuwo: RSS uses <title> tags differently than HTML, Romulus assumes HTML, grabs anything between <title> and says it

18:35 <PovAddict> so it prints the feed title mixed with titles of individual items

18:35 <Nickuwo> ahh right on

18:36 <Tank_Master> oh, btw

18:36 <Nickuwo> still means it worked for him :). He got the first article at least

18:36 <Tank_Master> in IE*, in the ital, I just notied is sais "feed info error"

18:36 <Tank_Master> feed code error*

18:37 <Tank_Master> Whitespace is not allowed at this location.

18:37 <Tank_Master> Line: 26 Character: 111

18:37 <Tank_Master> <description>Now that I've successfully installed Cuda + Opp apps, I've noticed that rigs run S@H on gpu & Ramsey on cpu.

18:37 <Nickuwo> yea, i got that too...

18:38 <Tank_Master> more helpfull then FF...

18:38 <PovAddict> I know, the patch linked above will fix it

18:38 <Tank_Master> FF doesnt even tell you theres a problem

18:38 <Nickuwo> cool

18:40 <Nickuwo> right on

18:40 <Tank_Master> there ya go :D

18:41 <Nickuwo> thx pov. is that in the next server upgrade or how did you know about that so quick?

18:41 <PovAddict> I know how David fails to escape things *or* removes more than he should

18:41 <Tank_Master> probably reported a while back

18:42 <PovAddict> so it took very little time to find the problem

18:42 <PovAddict> I'll post to Trac

18:42 <Nickuwo> cool

18:42 <PovAddict> (with an extra change)

18:42 <PovAddict> the original code has another bug: it removes all HTML-looking tags

18:42 <Tank_Master> "that is a known probalem wand will be worked on when I deside its impactinng soemthing Im working on"

18:42 <PovAddict> so if someone starts his post with <rant>, that tag won't show up in the feed

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18:46 <Nickuwo> i need a beer

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19:05 <Tank_Master> just one?

19:07 <xcamel> 'lo

19:08 <Tank_Master> howdy

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19:35 <jasong> I'm not a programmer, but how does a computer "accidentally" remove HTML tags?  That sounds like a pretty complex tax, not so complex that it couldn't be programmed, but complex enough that I'm suspicious about the whole bug status

19:36 <jasong> oops tax should be bug

19:36 <jasong> weird mistake, not sure why I wrote that

19:37 <PovAddict> accidentally?

19:37 <jasong> Well, a bug is an accidental command in my eyes

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19:37 <PovAddict> he was calling strip_tags() to avoid tags appearing in the code

19:37 <jasong> even if it doesn't work, it still generates a behavior

19:37 <jasong> ahhh, ok

19:37 <PovAddict> forgetting that ampersands *also* cause problems

19:38 <jasong> okay, I was just curious

19:38 <PovAddict> and either way, we shouldn't remove tags, we should make them appear as plain text

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20:29 <Ageless93[Away]> well Nick, good luck with decoding Sutaru's post on the forums. ;)

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20:29 <xcamel> 'lo Jord

20:30 <Ageless93> hey Jay. everyone here been watching the Seti stream?

20:30 <Ageless93> for when it was on anyway

20:32 <xcamel> no... missed it.

20:37 <PovAddict> Ageless93: sheesh @ sutaru's post

20:38 <PovAddict> you shouldn't have told him where Trac was until he posted *some* information

20:38 <PovAddict> :P

20:38 <PovAddict> he made an empty ticket, almost...

20:38 <Ageless93> sheesh at all his posts.. I have tried to answer him once but his style is so confusing that I have given up.

20:38 <Ageless93> and I don't give up easily.

20:38 <PovAddict> four vague words per problem (plus more than one problem in the same ticket is a bad idea too)

20:39 <Ageless93> he's quite vague in all his postings.

20:41 <Ageless93> at the time of his first complaint about this on Seti, he kept going back and forth through alpha versions that we knew were bugged. Tried to explain that to him. Was ignored.

20:42 <Ageless93> he will keep going on about old alpha's, no matter what. so fine. I stop trying to follow his posts and scroll past them

20:42 <PovAddict> given that history I will close his ticket as invalid

20:43 <Ageless93> perhaps that a Bugzilla way of setting up tickets isn't such a bad idea around Trac.

20:43 <PovAddict> hmm?

20:44 <Ageless93> I always liked Vugzilla.

20:44 <PovAddict> they're basically the same really (I find Bugzilla UI more confusing, especially when searching tickets)

20:44 <Ageless93> the first thing you always get on Bugzilla pages is SEARCH if there's a ticket sounding like your bug already out there.

20:45 <PovAddict> I think what we need is what they suggested on the lists...

20:45 <PovAddict> don't allow anyone to file a ticket on Trac

20:45 <PovAddict> users report on mailing lists, forums, etc., other people ask for more information if too vague, once it looks like a real problem, we file a bug

20:47 <Ageless93> if you're going to rely on a couple of people to do it, make sure you get a load of them as doing this day in day out is going to become boring. And even then, interpreting what people exactly mean is difficult at times when the mother language of the user thinking he found a bug isn't English

20:48 <PovAddict> well yes

20:48 <PovAddict> there's a lot of people who can be given that permission

20:48 <PovAddict> anyone who can write a decent bug report, really :)

20:48 <Ageless93> and even then, the code is open source, so why then have a closed bug database?

20:50 <Ageless93> a front page before filing the ticket showing how to do so, do a search first, give a template on what to fill in. I think that's more helpful than barring people from accessing the bug DB.

20:51 <Ageless93> David and Rom have always made clear they'd rather have people fill in their bug in Trac, than in forums or on the email lists.

20:51 <PovAddict> fair enough

20:51 <PovAddict> people file their bugs in Trac and I close them as invalid when appropriate, deal? :D

20:52 <Ageless93> that's fine with me. :D

20:53 <Ageless93> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AlphaInstructions#Howtoreporttestresults shows what to do, including report to Trac.

20:53 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/os5dlt> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

20:53 <Ageless93> now of course, if you keep going on about alpha versions from 2 months ago that have bugs in them... all bets are off. ;)

20:55 <jasong> If the windows people refuse to "turn back on" my windows xp disc, which I've had for less than a month, do I have any recourse other than complaining on the Internet?

20:55 <Ageless93> wga hack? ;)

20:56 <jasong> I'd like to avoid illegal stuff if I can, but since I DO legally own the disc, I might consider it in a week or two

20:57 <Ageless93> although, if you think you want to, be careful with them as some come with a virus installed, which will in the end have you reformat & reinstall anyway

20:57 <jasong> I was thinking more along the lines of a keygen

20:57 <Ageless93> then you still need a wga hack or else you can't go to Windows Update

20:58 <jasong> ahh, ok

20:59 <jasong> If the gaming companies could be taught to use standard APIs(I've been taught that word, no real clue what it means) then I wouldn't even own the disc

21:00 <Ageless93> API = Application Programming Interface, does what it says on the tin

21:01 <Ageless93> I wish gaming companies could be taught to release material that doesn't need a 4GB patch within the first hours of release. ;)

21:02 <jasong> Yeah, Chuck said if the game companies stuck to the standard way of doing things(not sure how you determine the standard) then the games could run under wine, as could a lot of other stuff

21:02 <Ageless93> I had Far Cry 2. brought it back to the store as I couldn't load it. Got stuck in the intro loading screen every damn time.

21:02 <Ageless93> looking on the forums of the makers, that bug is still not fixed.

21:02 <Ageless93> games' been out since february

21:03 <jasong> The horrible thing is, there's no good reason to be loyal to Microsoft, they are a monopoly and don't deserve to exist

21:04 <jasong> Well, there's a good reason, there's just not a good MORAL reason

21:05 <Ageless93> I find that the trouble with Linux is that there's so many versions that it's difficult to make something that runs under all of them without needing a good understanding of each and eevry distro available.

21:06 <Ageless93> and with a new one coming on the radar every week...

21:06 <jasong> Well, there's supposed to be one main standard with a bunch of variations layered on top of it

21:06 <jasong> The trick is to figure out what's standard and what's not

21:07 <jasong> I think what would really be great would be a wiki that's specifically made to be referenced by machines

21:07 <jasong> A how to for the computer to try and fix itself

21:09 <jasong> When you think about it, a lot of the stuff involved in fixing a computer could, in itself, be broken down into yes/no questions

21:09 <jasong> the only thing missing is the ability for it to visually inspect itself

21:09 <jasong> Plus, of course, it's crippled from fixing itself if the Internet connection can't connect to the wiki

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21:10 <Ageless93_> fun, my router reset itself

21:10 <jasong> (the wiki that doesn't exist at the moment)

21:10 <Ageless93_> so I was away...

21:10 <jasong> is it possible to have a specific program use a specific IP?

21:11 <Ageless93_> dunno

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21:25 <Tank_Master> IP is tied to a computer

21:27 <PovAddict> jasong: you can't choose what IP you use

21:41 <jasong> Well, it's Linux, so I'd probably just have to convince the router that it was talking to two computers.  probably too complex for what i want, but fun to think about :)

21:41 <Tank_Master> o

21:41 <Tank_Master> o0

21:42 <jasong> I keep having not connectable problems, and it's been bugging me for a while now

21:42 <Tank_Master> why do you want 2 IPs forr the same comp?

21:42 <Tank_Master> having 2 IPs wont help if the phisical links keeps going out

21:43 <jasong> I'm afraid if I try to change my laptop's ip to be permanent, I might majorly screw things up, so I'm trying to think of alternatives

21:43 <jasong> Is it possible to tell a router that a port works on a range of ips, rather than just one?

21:43 <Tank_Master> youd screw it up more so trying to get multible IPs for the comp...

21:43 <Tank_Master> :P

21:43 <jasong> lol, ok, I'm just brainstorming

21:43 <Tank_Master> depends on the router

21:44 <Tank_Master> but for the vast majority, you dont assign per port

21:44 <Tank_Master> its a mac addess or computer name you an IP to

21:44 <jasong> Then I guess I need to get a fixed ip without permanently disconnecting myself from the internet

21:44 <jasong> I mean get my laptop a fixed ip

21:44 <PovAddict> fixed local IP?

21:45 <jasong> yeah, 192.168.x.x

21:45 <jasong> unless I'm misunderstanding the port forwarding guide

21:46 <Tank_Master> depends on your router if you need a fixed IP or not

21:46 <Tank_Master> mine allows me to fix it to the comp name

21:46 <Ageless93_> my router can be set to use port ranges to the computer name. In case the IP address ever changes, the port range changes along with it.

21:47 <PovAddict> fixed IPs are better

21:47 <PovAddict> :)

21:48 <Ageless93_> I don't expect the IP address to change though, looks like it's pretty solid, giving .170 to .174 to ports 1 to 4 on the back.

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21:49 <PovAddict> I use fixed addresses for all network devices I care about (= that doesn't include my dad's Mac and iPhone)

21:49 <PovAddict> but my computer, my sister's computer, and my iPod touch have fixed local IPs

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21:50 <PovAddict> did sutaru flame me yet?

21:50 <Ageless93_> he answered you

21:50 <Ageless93_> more confusion

21:50 <Tank_Master> figures

21:50 <MTughan_> sutaru?

21:51 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=3842

21:51 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/q5m5l9> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

21:51 <MTughan_> Ah.

21:51 <Ageless93_> someone ought to tell him, the version to use is .28 (hint) ;)

21:53 <Ageless93_> and besides, we don't care about flaming so much over there. nice way to get frustration out of your system. Just don't overdo it.

21:56 <Ageless93_> grr, more people using the quote button and adding one line at the bottom. perhaps I should put a trac ticket request in to have the quote and reply buttons moved around. ;)

21:56 <PovAddict> hmm

21:56 <PovAddict> I should try writing some code that detects what proportion of the text is a quote

21:56 <PovAddict> shouldn't be too hard

21:57 <Ageless93_> or use Pirates' way of adding [remove_this_quote] to quotes...

21:57 <Ageless93_> which then ignores the whole quoted text unless you remove the text in front of the quote

21:57 <PovAddict> yeah I saw that

22:04 <Ageless93_> checked the Pirates gloassary, but the code for [trim_this_quote] (as it's called) isn't available yet.

22:05 <Ageless93_> I'm sure it can be gotten from Eric easily though.

22:05 <Ageless93_> in exchange for a hefty price... ;)

22:10 <Ageless93_> all righty. 4:10am here, time to hit the sack before that pesky sun comes up again. night all.

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23:00 <jasong> If I may ask a retarded question(assuming the answer is what I expect), what does a Linux cd do when it self-evaluates itself?

23:01 * PovAddict doesn't understand the question

23:02 <jasong> When you first boot a Linux install cd, there's generally an option to check the cd for errors, at least when you burn it.  How does it do the checking?

23:02 <PovAddict> I thought you were asking about the 'cd' command :P

23:02 <jasong> lol, sorry

23:02 <PovAddict> in most cases, I've seen there is a MD5SUM.txt file in the root directory of the disk

23:03 <PovAddict> with the hash of every file in the disk

23:03 <PovAddict> selecting that option calls md5sum -c MD5SUM.txt

23:04 <jasong> ahhh, ok, I've been spending a lot of time recently concerned because the cd hash doesn't fit the iso hash.  You've just managed to fill in the last important question I had

23:04 <jasong> I got disconnected last night, so a conversation was cut short

23:04 <jasong> thanks, pov

23:20 <jasong> Off-topic, because I'm stressed: I promise this isn't meant to be political, but the US is a Constitutional Republic, meaning a nation of written law.  If judges can re-interpret the Constitution to mean something new, then it's not a Constitutional Republic, it's a clusterfuck.

23:20 <wdsmia> asks jasong to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

23:23 <jasong> It's these stimulus checks that have set me off, they're paid for with taxes.  Wouldn't it have been better not to tax people in the first place?  Or temporarily cancel taxation in some areas?  Yay, I'm getting free money.  But why did they take it in the first place, if they're going to give it back?

23:26 <PovAddict> did they pay *you* stimulus checks?

23:26 <PovAddict> or just banks?

23:26 <PovAddict> and big companies in risk of bankruptcy

23:26 <jasong> I don't know, if they have i haven't received it

23:26 <jasong> I've heard it's being staggered over a few months

23:26 <PovAddict> then it's not money coming back

23:27 <PovAddict> you pay taxes, then the govt gives the money to big companies in risk of bankruptcy... you don't get the money back... ever heard of the phrase "where's *my* bailout"?

23:27 <jasong> Yeah, I've definitely heard people say that

23:28 <jasong> i like the Founding Fathers' method of taxation, where there's a direct correlation between a tax and a reward or privilege

23:28 <PovAddict> there's a country, I don't remember which it is, that has the highest taxes worldwide

23:28 <PovAddict> but money does come back there

23:29 <PovAddict> they cover ALL costs on your first child, for example

23:29 <jasong> I've heard the Internal Revenue Service has no actual legal authority to assess a tax on a US citizen

23:30 <jasong> Oh, if you really want to have a laugh, or groan, try reading Matthew 17:24-27

23:30 <PovAddict> huh

23:32 <PovAddict> is that some religious thing

23:32 <jasong> Jesus taught that when you directly tax someone, that means they are not a citizen of that country, because citizens are not taxed by their own.  Americans are peons

23:32 <jasong> peonism is a sub-class of the whole slavery concept

23:33 <jasong> we are slaves to the American government

23:33 <jasong> We, the American people are enslaved to the first black president.  it's come full circle

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