IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-05-25

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02:59 <Tank_Master> woop! midnight!

03:06 <efc> Moo Tank_Master

03:06 <Tank_Master> hey

03:10 <efc> Any good new toys I gotta have?

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04:56 * FreeLarry58 can remember when he was lucky to do 3 seti wu's per day -- now seeing gpu doing them in less than 20 minutes

04:58 <ELGono> wow

04:59 <ELGono> my 8600GTS needs about 35min

04:59 <FreeLarry58> 9800gtx+

04:59 <Xio_NYC> You know you've experienced Moore's Law firsthand when what took 30 days now takes 30 minutes.

04:59 <ELGono> ;)

05:00 <FreeLarry58> but definitely needed to replace ps with larger one -- moore must be a good friend of mine for length of time i've been around

05:01 <FreeLarry58> now just have to decide which other machine going to get the other ps and vid card upgrade

05:01 <FreeLarry58> probably other vista machine as a newer one

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05:54 <FreeLarry58> humm yes new vid card much bettr - can watch movies at same time as seti wu being done by gpu

05:54 <FreeLarry58> with out the skip that the 8400/8500 gives

06:11 <mikechelen> lol nice

06:21 <FreeLarry58> well time for bed

06:21 <FreeLarry58> &nn all

06:21 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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07:35 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

07:35 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 75°F / 24°C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 1:20 PM CEST; Scattered Clouds. High:75 F.; Clear. Low:51 F.; Chance of Rain. High:82 F.; Rain. Low:48 F.; Clear. High:77 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F.;

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08:56 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:56 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 55.2F / 12.9C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 40. North winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming northeast around 5 mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in (1 more message)

08:56 <xcamel> &more

08:56 <Romulus> xcamel: the upper 60s. East winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southeast in the afternoon.;

09:07 <xcamel> 'lo

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13:32 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

13:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 69.3F / 20.7C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. Isolated showers late in the morning...then scattered showers and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 70s. East wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)

13:32 <wdsmia> &more

13:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: Showers likely and isolated thunderstorms. Low in the upper 50s. East wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Tuesday - Showers likely and isolated thunderstorms. High in the lower 70s. North wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.;

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15:53 <zombie67> hydrogen just went down

15:53 <jackygrahamez> again :-(

15:54 <jackygrahamez> I forgot to restart after I cleaned up some duplicate files

15:55 <jackygrahamez> my script did not work exactly as I intended :-)

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15:55 <zombie67> ding!  working now

15:56 <PovAddict>

15:56 <zombie67> ?

15:57 <jackygrahamez> I got some waiting for assimilation :-(

15:59 <jasong> Is the UK having another Monday holiday?

16:02 <zombie67> easier to ask which days are NOT holidays in european countries

16:02 <PovAddict> lol

16:02 <PovAddict> holiday here

16:02 <PovAddict> &grab zombie67

16:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

16:03 <DerMeister> Well... We have two holidays in the next three weeks... But then not a single one until christmas

16:03 <PovAddict> boring

16:03 <DerMeister> Except two days which are weekend days as well

16:04 <zombie67> where is here>

16:04 <zombie67> ?

16:04 <jasong> He's in Argentina, I think

16:05 <zombie67> DerMeister?

16:05 <DerMeister> Germany here...

16:05 <zombie67> ah

16:05 <jasong> oops

16:05 <jasong> I meant POV

16:05 <jasong> lol, apparently, I need more sleep

16:23 <Tank_Master> I have one DD@H task...

16:33 <zombie67> you are 1 of 5

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17:10 <ergZay> umm this is a silly question, but ive forgotten where the boinc settings are saved

17:10 <ergZay> on os x

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18:47 <Soul_keeper> happy memorial day

18:47 <efc> moo soul_kepper

18:47 <efc> oops

18:48 <Soul_keeper> how was the steak efc ?

18:53 <efc> Veggie-burger tonight

18:54 <Soul_keeper> excellent

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19:07 <zombie67> hydrogen:  server can't open database

19:08 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: ^

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19:14 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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19:28 <zombie67> wow.  800,000 tasks ready to send.  Does that make any sense, since they all take 5 minutes of CPU time?  No way to bundle them in some way?

19:28 <PovAddict> what project?

19:28 <Romulus> what project is that, PovAddict

19:28 <PovAddict> forget what project

19:28 <Romulus> 10-4, PovAddict.

19:29 <zombie67> H2

19:30 <zombie67> also, the tasks take ~5 min of CPU time, but 2-3x that in real time.  So credits are 30-50% of what they should be

19:31 <PovAddict> mounting a ramdisk for the slots worked pretty work in the computation part

19:31 <PovAddict> then I noticed I was trashing workunits

19:31 <PovAddict> :P

19:31 <PovAddict> BOINC was trying to move the output file from slot to project dir

19:31 <PovAddict> and you can't move a file across mount points, you need to copy/delete

19:31 <zombie67> I am not making ram disks

19:32 <PovAddict> something else that helped me speed things up:

19:32 <PovAddict> I used cc_config.xml to set ncpus to 3 or 4

19:32 <PovAddict> suspended all tasks

19:32 <zombie67> 3 or 4....vs how many naturally?

19:32 <PovAddict> 2

19:33 <PovAddict> each task took, say, one minute to run

19:33 <zombie67> ah, to use up more of the idle CPU time

19:33 <PovAddict> I set ncpus to 4 (normal is 2)

19:33 <PovAddict> so I suspended all tasks, and resumed first one to let it start

19:33 <PovAddict> when it reached 15 secs, I started the next

19:33 <PovAddict> once I had four running, I resumed all

19:34 <PovAddict> if I start all at the same time, I'll have all using disk and no CPU at the same time

19:34 <PovAddict> then they may finish together, and it would happen again

19:34 <zombie67> over time, they should become randome

19:34 <PovAddict> yes, sure...

19:35 <PovAddict> another way would be modifying the app to extract its files once, and using it in anonymous platform

19:36 <PovAddict> showing the credits flaw once again:

19:36 <zombie67> what version is ncpus added to?

19:36 <PovAddict> if I do something to speed up the app, I get more credits

19:36 <PovAddict> if I share those speed-up changes, I get back to normal credits

19:36 <PovAddict> where's the incentive to share?

19:37 <zombie67> precicely!

19:37 <zombie67> not working with 6.2.18

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19:39 <PovAddict> looking

19:40 <PovAddict> ncpus added 3 years ago

19:40 <PovAddict> 21/06/2006

19:40 <PovAddict> note it goes in <config>, not <log_flags>

19:40 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/cc_config.xml

19:41 <Romulus> Title: Client configuration - BOINC (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

19:41 <PovAddict> er, <options>

19:41 <zombie67> yeah, but it's not working with 6.2.18

19:41 <PovAddict> did you reread cc_config or restart client?

19:42 <PovAddict> you might need to restart

19:42 <zombie67> reread cc_config

19:42 <zombie67> it's there in the menu

19:42 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if this particular setting takes effect so easily :)

19:42 <zombie67> it works for 6.5

19:44 <zombie67> quitting/restarting worked

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20:19 <MTughan> zombie67: Do you have a Mac that doesn't have Xcode installed on it?

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20:50 <zombie67> MT?

20:50 <Romulus> hmm... MT is right, zombie67

20:50 <zombie67> I just made my ocho mac a 16-way

20:51 <zombie67> how do I tell if I do NOT have xcode installed?

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21:51 <PovAddict> did you install it? :)

21:51 <zombie67> jackygrahamez:  hydrogen server is messed up

21:51 <zombie67> can't get server status

21:51 <zombie67> oh sure

21:52 <zombie67> as soon as I post, it works fine

21:52 <zombie67> pov, I have far too many machines to keep track.  ;)

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23:07 <XioNYC> zombie67: Try running "/Developer/Tools/GetFileInfo ~" in Terminal.  If you have OS X's Dev Tools installed, you should have that installed.

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23:09 <lubosz> hi

23:09 <lubosz> is seti stopped?

23:09 <lubosz> my boinc client says, that there are no jobs on the server

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23:26 <zombie67> Thanks X

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23:26 <zombie67> I have no Tools dir.

23:27 <zombie67> does that mean no xcode?

23:27 <PolishJa> !rules

23:28 <PolishJa> Are noobs allowed to get Seti/Boinc help here?

23:29 <PolishJa> <-- noob

23:29 <PovAddict> yes

23:30 <PovAddict> but, like most irc channels, dont ask to ask

23:31 <PolishJa> K.  I am used to channels that kick for asking questions.  I just installed Boinc and am trying to run a seti project but I keep getting the "Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)" error.

23:31 <PovAddict> then seti has no jobs available :)

23:32 <PolishJa> no a problem on my end then?

23:32 <lubosz> yes same here

23:32 <lubosz> but why, i want to compute stuff for them

23:32 <lubosz> take my cpu and gpu time

23:32 <lubosz> did they find eti

23:32 <lubosz> finally

23:33 <PovAddict> it says 'no jobs available'; if it was your end it would say 'not sending jobs to you' :P

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23:34 <PovAddict> or something like that

23:34 <PolishJa> I guess as much, but this was my first time trying it so I just wanted to make sure the problem was not on my end.

23:35 <PolishJa> guess == guessed

23:35 <PovAddict> go to their websitr, server status, see how many tasks ready to send

23:35 <PolishJa> looked at that

23:35 <PolishJa> its in the tens of thousands, but that was over 45min ago

23:35 <PolishJa> can it be depleted that quickly?

23:36 <PovAddict> if anything broke on the server, they cant fix it quick right now

23:36 <PovAddict> 10th aniversary event and all

23:36 <PolishJa> it is?

23:36 <PolishJa> cool

23:40 <PolishJa> damnable!  Until I get some task to work I can't be sure my setup is working properly...

23:40 <lubosz> Tue 26 May 2009 05:39:24 AM CEST|Milkyway@home|Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)

23:40 <lubosz> great

23:40 <MTughan> lubosz: MW has had work shortages for a number of weeks now.

23:41 <lubosz> so what to calculate :D ?

23:41 <PovAddict> join another project meanwhile

23:41 <Nickuwo> PovAddict: u goin to spain?

23:41 <PolishJa> there should be a Pi project

23:42 <PovAddict> join some of the 'big' ones that rarely go down, like Einstein@home

23:42 <MTughan> PolishJa: To calculate the number of digits of pi?

23:42 <MTughan> Or rather to calculate the digits of pi.

23:42 <PolishJa> yes

23:43 <MTughan> That's not an easily threadable application, I think. Which makes it hard to separate work for a BOINC project.

23:43 <PolishJa> that is a cool one.  Of the "Break the XBox key" project that was around some years ago.

23:43 <PovAddict> PolishJa: Pi can be calculated to millions of digits in a single compiter in hours, whats the point?

23:44 <PolishJa> I did not know that.  I never looked into it.

23:44 <Nickuwo> ill take that as a no...

23:44 <MTughan> I've used bc on my Mac to calculate ~40K digits of pi in about an hour, IIRC.

23:44 <MTughan> Was a 2GHz Core Duo.

23:44 <PovAddict> MTughan: some math genius made an algorithm to calculate digits of Pi without calculaing the previous ones first

23:45 <Nickuwo> ramajuan? or however you spell his name...

23:45 <PovAddict> so it is 'threadable'

23:46 <PolishJa> Any encryption related projects out there?

23:46 <PovAddict> enigma

23:46 <MTughan> Is SHA-1 Collision still up?

23:46 <PovAddict> not modern encryption :)

23:46 <PolishJa> may not be modern but it is still cool.

23:48 <PovAddict> &learn project list as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php

23:48 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

23:49 <lubosz> can i see anywhere if projects have graphics?

23:49 <lubosz> i mean the "show graphics" command

23:50 <MTughan> Not on the site AFAIK.

23:50 <PovAddict> I dont know of any list that shows that clearly

23:51 <PovAddict> but keepasking questions, it's good to know what new users are interested in :)

23:51 <lubosz> cosmology and milkyway dont have gfx for me :/

23:51 <MTughan> MW doesn't have GFX IIRC. Haven't tried Cosmology.

23:53 <lubosz> so which project can i try to test the graphics?

23:54 <PovAddict> einstein

23:54 <MTughan> Einstein or S@H are good.

23:54 <lubosz> k

23:54 <lubosz> s@h doesnt have any jobs for me still

23:56 <lubosz> einstein neither :/

23:56 <lubosz> so i'll have to wait

23:57 <lubosz> yay, graphics

23:59 <PolishJa> I have enigma working.  Yay.  Boo for no graphics...

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