IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-06-03

00:35 <jasong>

00:35 <Romulus> <> (at

00:35 <jasong> That desktop is truly hideous

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00:52 <efc> moo

00:52 <wolf_pup> moo

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00:54 <Tank_Master> oom

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01:11 <zombie67> w00t!

01:27 <PovAddict> ?

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01:28 <jasong> Unless zombie has live access to my websurfing habits, I have no idea

01:28 * jasong was looking at an online dictionary

01:28 <jasong> and looked up Woot

01:29 <PovAddict> wewt

01:36 <zombie67>

01:36 <Romulus> Title: w00t - Wiktionary (at

01:36 <xionyc> .o0( ...but it's pronounced Throatwarbler Mangrove... )

01:37 <zombie67> lattice has work

01:37 <zombie67> and they aren't 200+ hour tasks

01:38 <zombie67> also, Aqua fixed their GPU tasks so that they don't award credits based on CPU time.

01:38 <zombie67> I see this as a repeating issue for every project that introduces GPU apps

01:48 <Tank_Master> is that a cuda app?

01:50 <Tank_Master> zombie67 - which one of the latice projects is the gpu?

01:56 <Tank_Master> n/m figured it out

02:04 <efc> I think CPUs have hit the point where they are as confusing as GPUs

02:04 <efc> in the naming and model numbers and such

02:04 <efc> I look at a listing of the names on benchmarks and go Whaaaaaa

02:08 <efc> You can have a Pentium Extreme Edition 955, Core i7 975, Core 2 Quad Q9400, or Pentium E5300

02:09 <zombie67> Chun Li Flying Bird Kick is my new ringtone

02:09 <zombie67> TM, lattice has work, but not GPU work

02:09 <zombie67> Aqua has cuda app, but is currently out of work.  will probably be fixed tomorrow

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02:18 <Tank_Master> I have aqua work now

02:18 <zombie67> GPU?

02:18 <Romulus> Somebody said GPU is no good if it runs "PU", zombie67

02:18 <Tank_Master> yep

02:19 <zombie67> sonova

02:19 <zombie67> nope

02:20 <Tank_Master> it wont work if your preferences are set to GPU only

02:20 <zombie67> no work available for the apps selected

02:20 <Tank_Master> in the project

02:20 <zombie67> but GPU is all I want

02:20 <Tank_Master> yeah, I know, but when I set it to do both apps, but only run GPU, I got GPU work

02:20 <zombie67> how do you know your work is GPU?

02:20 <FreeLarry58> credit scrounger zombie67

02:21 <FreeLarry58> ;)

02:21 <zombie67> better aqua than gpugrid for now

02:21 <Tank_Master> I have it set to run all projects, if none is avalble, run others to yes, run gpu to yes, and run cpu to no

02:21 <FreeLarry58> i have some of the same problems with nqueen

02:21 <zombie67> TM, how do you know you have GPU tasks?

02:21 <FreeLarry58> but nqueen wont dl the cpu for some reason

02:22 <Tank_Master> nqueens had a gpu app?

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02:22 <zombie67> TM!

02:22 <Tank_Master> is sias {.16 cpu, 1 cuda)

02:22 <zombie67> aside from that

02:22 <zombie67> what is the app name?

02:23 <Tank_Master> its still running 8 genlife WUs as well

02:23 * MTughan has MW work

02:23 <FreeLarry58> i guess - on my i7 with 6.6.28 i get the error message that they have cpu work avail but not requested after a request for more work goes in

02:23 <Tank_Master> sais cuda enabled in the WU name

02:23 <zombie67> MW messed up the server

02:23 <zombie67> TM, what is the app name?

02:23 <Tank_Master> I aint retyping it

02:24 <Tank_Master> way to frikin long

02:24 <Tank_Master> but it does say its cuda in it

02:24 <zombie67> no no

02:24 <zombie67> it is very short!

02:24 <Tank_Master> heh

02:24 <Tank_Master> or not

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02:25 <zombie67>

02:25 <Romulus> <> (at

02:25 <zombie67> "We have two different BOINC applications (AQUA and AQUA_CUDA) under the same poroject."

02:26 <Tank_Master> right...

02:26 <zombie67> so which app is it?

02:26 <Tank_Master> the cuda one

02:26 <zombie67> how do you know?

02:26 <zombie67> what is the app name?

02:27 <zombie67> which version?

02:27 <Romulus> Rumor has it which version are you using, zombie67

02:27 <zombie67> 3.16 or less, and you get crap credits

02:27 <Tank_Master> D-Wave's Adianatic QUantum Algerothims - CUDA enabled 3.17 (CUDA)

02:27 <zombie67> 3.17 or later and credits are better

02:27 <Tank_Master> thats the app name

02:28 <wolf_pup> gn

02:28 <Tank_Master> gn

02:28 <zombie67> well, I cannot get any work

02:28 <zombie67> and I hev the setting correct

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02:28 <Tank_Master> thats your problem

02:28 <Tank_Master> you need it to not be correct

02:29 <zombie67>

02:29 <Romulus> <> (at

02:29 <zombie67> "It should work."

02:29 <Tank_Master> in the project preshould say "it dont work"

02:29 <Tank_Master> on, on, on, off

02:29 <Tank_Master> works for me

02:30 <zombie67> grrrrrrrrrrrr

02:30 <Tank_Master> when I had it on, off, on, off, it didnt work

02:30 <zombie67> wait, what?

02:30 <Tank_Master> but as soon as I did on, on, on, off, I got work

02:30 <zombie67> I have on, off, off, on, off

02:31 <zombie67> there are FIVE

02:31 <Tank_Master> do on, on, off, on, off

02:31 <Tank_Master> not in that post there wasnt

02:31 <Tank_Master> I have mine all on except the last one

02:32 <zombie67> got 0 tasks

02:32 <zombie67> oot!

02:32 <zombie67> then got

02:32 <Tank_Master> they only had 9k tasks when I did it a few hrs ago

02:32 <Tank_Master> they might be out now

02:32 <efc> NORRIS/SEAGAL 2012

02:32 <Tank_Master> you gont some now?

02:33 <zombie67> er

02:33 <zombie67> got some now

02:33 <zombie67> but  not running

02:33 <Tank_Master> gpugrid still running?

02:33 <zombie67> nope

02:34 <Tank_Master> ahh, what version of BOIN r u running?

02:34 <zombie67> D

02:35 <Tank_Master> ?

02:35 <zombie67> why, what difference should it make, so long as it is 6.4+?

02:35 <Tank_Master> dunno when, but the latest builds include "suspend GPU while use is active" and its seperate fromt he CPU

02:36 <zombie67> doh!

02:36 <zombie67> lemme check that

02:36 <Tank_Master> and the "run always" in the activity menu wont over ride it

02:36 <zombie67> Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?

02:36 <zombie67> Enforced by version 6.7+no

02:36 <zombie67> nope

02:36 <zombie67> that's not it

02:36 <Tank_Master> yeah, its actually there now

02:37 <zombie67> I mean that I have it set to "no"

02:37 <Tank_Master> I have 6.6.31 and its in the preferences in teh anager

02:37 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

02:37 <Tank_Master> not sure why then its not running

02:37 <Tank_Master> you dont have any other CUDA apps, correct?

02:38 <zombie67> I believe them to be CPU tasks, event though the app name says otherwise

02:39 <Tank_Master> its not just the name

02:39 <Tank_Master> when its running, gpugrid stops and it sais its using 1 CUDA

02:41 <zombie67> just a sec

02:44 <zombie67> upgrading fixed it

02:44 <Tank_Master> ahh, good

02:50 <zombie67> any idea how long these aqua GPU tasks take?

02:50 <FreeLarry58> humm i see cuda run for gpugrid, seti (regular and beta) MW, never have seen it by a nqueen but thier prefs list gpu on user preference page

02:51 <zombie67> I mean the new AQUA GPU task

02:51 <FreeLarry58> after i upgrade a few more machines may try aqua

02:53 <FreeLarry58> lets see one gtx9800+ and a engtx260 to go in

02:55 <Tank_Master> im pleased with my 250

02:55 <FreeLarry58> thats in the wifes machine

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02:55 <FreeLarry58> and a little better than the 9800+

02:56 <Tank_Master> I got the 1GB version

02:56 <zombie67> oddly enough, another machine with the older client was able to get work just fine

02:56 <Tank_Master> so itll help for playing games and crunching at the same time

02:56 <FreeLarry58> ahh don't think i got that large but didn't really check to hard

02:57 <zombie67> and it's the PCI 9400

02:58 * FreeLarry58 is still waiting his latest batch of games to arrive

02:58 <zombie67> BOINC *is* a game

02:59 <Tank_Master> heh

02:59 <FreeLarry58> lol

02:59 <zombie67> How is it that I still have 3 or 4 megga milestones with kevint?  strategy!

02:59 * FreeLarry58 really shouldn't apply the same rules he uses when buying computers to lawn mowers. did i really need a 46" riding mower for yard

03:00 <zombie67> 46"?  That's too small.

03:00 <zombie67> you need to think long term!

03:00 <FreeLarry58> lot size is only 0.22 acre

03:00 <zombie67> sure....todsay!

03:00 <zombie67> today

03:01 <FreeLarry58> upgrade from broken 21" self propelled

03:01 <zombie67> but what about 5 years from now?

03:01 <zombie67> you need do keep the curve in mind

03:01 <FreeLarry58> hopefully no yard and retired to phillipennes

03:01 <Tank_Master> lol

03:02 <Tank_Master> anywho, im off to bed

03:02 <Tank_Master> gn ye all

03:02 <FreeLarry58> &nn Tank_Master

03:02 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

03:02 <efc> Robomower

03:03 <FreeLarry58> way my back is going - that would be great efc

03:03 <FreeLarry58> neighborhood kids either to young or to old here to look for yard work for summer cash

03:03 <efc> I looked at em, one had a great Starship Troopers style video

03:04 <efc> I think I'm gonna buy a Norris/Segal 2012 tote bag hehe

03:05 <zombie67> gn

03:05 <zombie67> me too

03:05 <FreeLarry58> my self propelled mower lasted 10+ years - still runs so may take it to shop to see if they have new blade coupler they can install on it

03:05 <FreeLarry58> &nn zombie67

03:05 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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03:06 <FreeLarry58> well back to dl

03:06 <efc> Dad has a ZTR one now. Kinda troubelsome.

03:06 <FreeLarry58> 's for a bit

03:06 <efc> used to use a finishing mower on the tractor

03:06 <efc> (about 2 acres of lawn)

03:06 <FreeLarry58> hertzakavena (not correct spelling) what i ordered today

03:07 <efc> sounds familiiar

03:08 <FreeLarry58> along with a snowplow attachment

03:10 <efc> &seen olds

03:10 <Romulus> efc: I have not seen olds.

03:10 <efc> &seen old

03:10 <Romulus> efc: old was last seen in #boinc 5 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <old> later Larry :)

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05:31 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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05:31 <CoderForLife> &more

05:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Showers likely...mainly after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the morning...then partly sunny with a slight chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs around 70. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

05:31 <CoderForLife> why KathrynM?  bad roof?

05:40 <KathrynM> rotten day at w*@&

05:41 * CoderForLife finally got an eensy weensy bit of sleep overnight - fitst time in several days

05:41 <CoderForLife> er first

05:41 <KathrynM> that's good

05:42 <KathrynM> i'd take an itsy bitsy

05:42 <CoderForLife> indeed - 4.5 hours all put together

05:42 <CoderForLife> despite the raging t-storms

05:43 <CoderForLife> got a fasting blood draw in 2 hours from now

05:43 <KathrynM> ewwwwww

05:43 <KathrynM> brb

05:46 <KathrynM> had to get some music going.  the children's songs from school are rotting my brain.

05:46 <KathrynM> Debussy should help some

05:46 <CoderForLife> brotting your rain?

05:47 * CoderForLife hungrily sips some more ice water

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05:49 <Romulus> WB, Boss

05:49 <KathrynM> sumthin like dat

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06:18 <hawmps> spork >>

06:23 <CoderForLife> thx

06:28 <hawmps> mornin

06:36 <hawmps> seems to be "IE 8" day...

06:40 <CoderForLife> I have an update waiting

06:41 <hawmps> rebooting now

06:44 <hawmps> wow.. hard boot

06:46 <CoderForLife> probably changes your BIOS, eh?

06:47 <CoderForLife> bbiab

06:48 <hawmps> damned if I know what it just did...

07:07 <CoderForLife> that's their plan, exactly

07:13 <CoderForLife> to doctor's office, then to w@#%

07:14 <CoderForLife> laterz

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10:19 <jasong> Jason's law: Moore's Law won't be broken for a long time, it will just be continuously redefined.  Transistors for lowest cost, clock speed, cores, etc. ad infinitum.  Pick something that's doubled in the last two years and call THAT Moore's Law

10:19 <jasong> (not saying I approve, just making an observation)

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10:25 <dadinck> I just added a computer to my Boinc.

10:25 * dadinck smiles

10:26 <hawmps> ok..

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10:43 <Tank_Master>

10:43 <Romulus> <> (at

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12:07 <Nickuwo> if you deprecate an app_version, what exactly does that do?

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12:17 <PovAddict> Nickuwo: nothing until you restart the feeder ;)

12:17 <PovAddict> Nickuwo: once you do, it won't sent any work for that app version

12:17 <Nickuwo> hmm, but it'll still accept it

12:17 <PovAddict> if it's the only app version for that (app,platform) combination, then users with that platform won't be able to get work

12:18 <PovAddict> I keep winning lotteries I never participated in :)

12:18 * PovAddict drags three "you won" messages to the spam folder

12:21 * PovAddict reads backlog in #swig

12:22 <PovAddict> some weird stuff in the semantic web

12:22 <PovAddict> <tobyink> Wordnet terms can be a bit problematic. What does "wn:Person" represent - the concept of a person, or the concept of the word 'person'? What 'dc:created' date would you attach to it? The date that humans split from our nearest ancestor, or the date the word 'person' entered the English language?

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12:37 <CoderForLife> plink

12:49 <MTughan> <hawmps> damned if I know what it just did...

12:49 <MTughan> Apparently, a .NET update actually installs a Firefox addon.

12:49 <hawmps> sporked

12:49 <MTughan> Not like anyone realizes.

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13:04 <FreeLarry58> dang - must have had a power fluctuation this morning - router locked uped and a few machines off

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13:05 <MTughan> 8:52AM EDT.

13:06 <MTughan> Just about 4 hours ago now.

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13:22 <FreeLarry58> well hopefully got most of them back up now -still 2 to check

13:22 <hawmps> 'lo Larry

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13:37 <Tank_Master> decermaents the app version?

13:37 <Tank_Master> crap

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13:37 <MTughan> decrements*

13:37 <Tank_Master> I hate it when the windows dowsnt keep tot he bottome... :P

13:37 <MTughan> Your typing off today?

13:38 <Tank_Master> as oppose to yesterday?

13:38 <MTughan> Correction: Your typing off?

13:38 <Tank_Master> when isnt it?

13:39 <MTughan> When it's not..

13:39 <Tank_Master> ahh, right, ofcorse

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13:44 <Tank_Master>

13:44 <Romulus> <> (at

14:10 <wolf_pup>

14:10 <Romulus> <> (at

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15:24 <Nickuwo> if there are two inconclusive results, A and B, and C comes in matching B, does A just get denoted a "compute error"?

15:24 <Nickuwo> and if so, with what exit_status?

15:25 <Tank_Master> ...

15:25 <Nickuwo> would it be a Validate Error?

15:26 <PovAddict> "compute error" is only if the client actually reports a compute error, and exit_status is the non-zero code that the science app returned

15:26 <Nickuwo> ok

15:27 <Nickuwo> basically I'm asking how I'd find out many times "inconclusive" results have been submitted

15:27 <Nickuwo> i can see the current inconclusive ones, but I'm wondering If I had any that have found canonical results

15:27 <PovAddict> replication 2, quorum 2, A doesn't match B, server sends a C result, C comes back matching B, a is "invalid"

15:28 <Tank_Master> Newlan's Rule

15:28 <Tank_Master> An acceptable level of unemployment means that the government economist to whom it is acceptable still has a job.

15:29 <Nickuwo> is there anything besides "invalid" that makes A unique? what would it's "outcome" be?

15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> I have also inconclusive results

15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> I think it is because different linefeeds on linux and win

15:54 <PovAddict> that's what you get for not writing a custom validator :)

15:55 <PovAddict> do different line feeds make the data useless for your project?

15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> no

15:55 <PovAddict> then the validator should say it's valid :)

15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> i can use homogenous redundancy

15:55 <PovAddict> or a validator that ignores line feeds

15:56 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

16:00 <yoyo[RKN]> I thought you had a configurable validator

16:02 <PovAddict> not that configurable :)

16:02 <PovAddict> it can be made to ignore byte ranges of the file

16:02 <PovAddict> but it doesn't know about text files or newlines

16:02 <yoyo[RKN]> btw, told I that we made a Boinc community meeting last weekend in Germany

16:03 <PovAddict> yes i saw the pics :)

16:04 <yoyo[RKN]> this will now take place every year

16:05 <saenger> if we find a new house

16:05 <yoyo[RKN]> think we will

16:07 <PovAddict> hey saenger

16:08 <Tank_Master> howdy saenger

16:08 <saenger> moin nicolas :)

16:08 <saenger> and TM

16:09 <Tank_Master> hows your day?

16:10 <yoyo[RKN]> moin Tank_Master

16:10 <Tank_Master> howdy yoyo

16:10 <saenger> fine, it just started a bit too early (0500)

16:10 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:10 <Tank_Master> im just having lunch

16:10 <Tank_Master> on this fine wednesday afternoon

16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

16:11 <saenger> i'm not that fdar away from my bed now, it's 2211 now

16:11 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 9:50 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F.; Chance of Rain. High:55 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.;

16:11 <saenger> &wx bremen

16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> me too

16:11 <Romulus> saenger: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 22km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM CEST; Scattered Clouds. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.;

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16:11 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

16:11 <Tank_Master> &more

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16:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: thunderstorms in the evening... then a slight chance of showers after midnight. Lows around 60. North wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the south after midnight.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs 75 to 80. Light wind becoming southwest 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.;

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16:38 <KathrynM> curse you PovAddict!  now the stupid llama song and the butterfly song are competing for space in my head

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16:39 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:39 <Tank_Master> poor KM

16:40 <Tank_Master> hey, at least its not the song that never ends....

16:42 <PovAddict> KathrynM: hey I didn't even give you a song :P

16:42 <KathrynM> Oh you had one in mind you evil evil little man

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16:45 <PovAddict> you thought about the llama song yourself, don't blame me for it :)

16:46 <KathrynM> I'm a woman.  You're a man.  Ergo, it's your fault.

16:46 <PovAddict> &grab KathrynM

16:46 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

16:47 <KathrynM> lol

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16:48 <Nickuwo> haha, nice KathrynM

16:48 <KathrynM> hiya Nickuwo

16:48 <Nickuwo> 'ello

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16:49 <KathrynM> I think I need to get a new mouse this weekend.

16:49 <KathrynM> The cola that splashed in it earlier is giving it fits

16:49 <PovAddict> I think my mouse wheel is starting to break

16:49 <PovAddict> again

16:50 <KathrynM> kitty is a bit under 3 kilos

16:51 <KathrynM> she's about 6 months old now

16:51 <KathrynM> gonna take her to be spayed soon

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17:14 <CoderForLife> blah

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17:16 <Tank_Master> thats what she said

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19:18 <xcamel> hola...

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19:24 <FreeLarry58> Ageless93 speed of darkness at least as fast as speed of light - for dark to fill the area of light as it retreats

19:25 <jackygrahamez_> that sounds philosophic

19:26 <FreeLarry58> as is his sign off message

19:26 <PovAddict> darkness is faster, always there before light arrives

19:26 <jackygrahamez_> then what speed do stupid questions travel?

19:26 <FreeLarry58> no dark was first and then light was produced - by what we let the philosophers argue

19:26 <PovAddict> &grab jackygrahamez_

19:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

19:27 <FreeLarry58> lol always faster than light

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19:27 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: not as fast as rumors

19:27 <Ageless93> hmm, changed chat clietns, so I probably should set something original here as well. ;)

19:27 <FreeLarry58> well off to store to try and find the motherinlaw a little comp desk for her room

19:28 <jackygrahamez_> I could use one myself where are you shoping?

19:28 <Ageless93> for motherinlaws?

19:28 <jackygrahamez_> who wants to buy one of those!!!

19:29 <PovAddict> they come for free with wives apparently

19:29 <xcamel> like being able to catch cold... because it's slower?

19:29 <xcamel> wives are free... MIL's can cost you your life!!

19:30 <PovAddict> &grab xcamel

19:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

19:31 <Ageless93> sure you don't mean MILFs?

19:31 <PovAddict> :|

19:33 <jackygrahamez_> LOL

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19:45 <Ageless93> ok, my lady is going to bed, so I best follow. night all.

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19:46 <jackygrahamez_> well at least you have a lady :-(

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19:47 <jackygrahamez_> I guess I have a lady but I can't ever tell if we are together :-(

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19:49 <jackygrahamez_> did they remove edit from the dos prompt in vista?

19:49 <PovAddict> maybe, why would anyone need it though?

19:50 <jackygrahamez_> >:-0

19:51 <wolf_pup> its still in win 7

19:51 <jackygrahamez_> I should download that!!!

19:52 <jackygrahamez_> vista keeps pissing me off

19:52 <PovAddict> vista has edit too

19:54 <jackygrahamez_> ok some reason it does not execute this for me in the dos prompt then...looking for it in the windows directory

20:06 <wolf_pup>

20:06 <Romulus> <> (at

20:13 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: or maybe someone should drag you to the future?

20:13 <PovAddict> at least *notepad* :)

20:13 <jackygrahamez_> yes I'm making due but that requires using the mouse

20:14 <jackygrahamez_> switching to another window and all

20:14 <jackygrahamez_> I guess I could just type notepad.exe

20:14 <PovAddict> you can use everything in Windows without a mouse

20:15 <PovAddict> with some minor exceptions, like restoring BOINC Manager from its tray icon

20:15 <PovAddict> or well... Paint :)

20:15 <jackygrahamez_> i also love the blue background...takes me back to writing term papers in high school oh those were the good old days with word perfect :-)

20:16 * PovAddict uses vim

20:20 <FreeLarry58> jackygrahamez_ staples - got the ethrnet switch and cart for the old comp just sitting them up now

20:21 <jackygrahamez_> boinc on a 386?

20:21 <FreeLarry58> luckily didn't plug the holes thru walls when i move the stuff out the last time so just had to remove covers to run wires

20:22 * FreeLarry58 shudders - that would take a lifetime for some of these wu's

20:22 <jackygrahamez_> I think I have an Apple 2C somewhere

20:22 <FreeLarry58> ? wasn't that pre 286?

20:23 <FreeLarry58> like 8088 or 8086

20:23 <jackygrahamez_> didn't even have a hard drive

20:23 <jackygrahamez_> first time I heard of a hard drive ... hard who?

20:23 <FreeLarry58> yeah i vaguely recall them

20:24 <FreeLarry58> when nobody would evr need more than 640K of memory

20:24 <jackygrahamez_> according to M$

20:24 <FreeLarry58> and a lot of the home comps ran on 4 8 16 K of memory

20:25 <jackygrahamez_> then they started send these updates :-)

20:25 <jackygrahamez_> and also realized they had to keep upgrading to maintain cash flow

20:26 <KathrynM> Before I left for Korea this go around, my bro and I had our AppleIIC up and running.  The memories ;)

20:26 * FreeLarry58 vaguly recalls soldering in memory chip sockets on expansion board to increase his first machine to 128K

20:26 <jackygrahamez_> wow 128k cool

20:27 <FreeLarry58> yeah i think it set me back about 500 usd at the time

20:27 <jackygrahamez_> |o|

20:27 <jackygrahamez_> LOL

20:27 <FreeLarry58> lets see - now can get almost 24 gig of ddr3 for that price

20:28 <PovAddict> >>> You know that 78.67% of all statistics are made up, right?

20:28 <PovAddict> >> I heard it was 82.1%...

20:28 <PovAddict> >

20:28 <PovAddict> > No, new research has shown that (statistically speaking) fewer statistics

20:28 <PovAddict> > are made up than was previously thought. :-)

20:29 <FreeLarry58> lol stats don't lie - but interpretation can be way off

20:30 <jackygrahamez_> so right now we are laughing at what we bought 20 years ago...wonder what hardware will be available 20 years from now that we will make us laugh at what we have now

20:31 <FreeLarry58> humm more like 25 yrs ago

20:31 <FreeLarry58> implanted bio hardware

20:31 <jackygrahamez_> quantum computers?

20:31 <FreeLarry58> with multi terabyte networking

20:32 <Tank_Master> sweet!

20:32 <Tank_Master> ill tkae 59372 of those

20:32 <PovAddict> and Windows won't boot any faster than it does now

20:32 <FreeLarry58> lol true

20:33 <Tank_Master> no, but you can watch porn faster

20:33 <jackygrahamez_> halographic porn

20:33 <Tank_Master> :D

20:33 <Tank_Master> 3d porn

20:33 <FreeLarry58> ahh but just think of the band width on gigabit memory slots

20:33 <PovAddict> and Boost will keep abusing the C++ language to the point that it will take just as long to compile as now

20:34 <FreeLarry58> longer

20:34 <FreeLarry58> as done by boinc

20:35 <wolf_pup>

20:35 <Romulus> <> (at

20:35 <FreeLarry58> Tank_Master only problem i see with the 3d sites is too much variance of seen versa what would really happen

20:36 <FreeLarry58> well back to the slave pits - got to finish assembling that cart and setting up the old machine again

20:36 <Tank_Master> boy, arent you never the optimest

20:36 * FreeLarry58 but i'm being optomistic

20:37 <FreeLarry58> for me that is

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22:23 <FreeLarry58> what does 2 flashing green lights on front of case mean when trying to power up a computer after long shut down?

22:23 <FreeLarry58> no beeps busses or anything else and nothing apears to be coming up

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23:08 <FreeLarry58> got it - forgot to turn speakers on so mb wouldn't come up

23:14 <FreeLarry58> PovAddict nQueen still has work just slow generation rate -

23:14 <Romulus> <> (at

23:15 <FreeLarry58> Board size 26 (38.7% done):

23:15 <FreeLarry58> 1085650 WU left.

23:16 <PovAddict> thx

23:18 <FreeLarry58> hey it worked - finally got a shout to post on boincstats

23:19 <FreeLarry58> finally got wifes old machine upgraded and running for mother in law -- so productive day for me

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23:54 <jasong> Anybody here familiar with the European keyboard, or keyboards?  Someone spammed me, and I think they sent me the European equivalent of asdfghjkl;   Beyond the fact that it's spam, I'm simply curious

23:54 <jasong> srdywmipsiaedfs44tdhg46resjhjty43hfd

23:55 <jasong> Am I right?

23:55 <PovAddict> there are repeated letters

23:55 <PovAddict> and numbers

23:55 <PovAddict> so I doubt it's a keyboard row

23:56 <jasong> Does it have any pattern that you can see?  I know it's spam, maybe by a mentally ill person, but I'm curious about this type of stuff

23:57 <jasong> I dunno, maybe they just mashed the keys

23:57 <PovAddict> the majority of those characters are on the left side of a qwerty keyboard

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23:58 <FreeLarry58> possible from carryiing a laptop?

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