IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-06-04

00:00 <MTughan> And he quit...

00:00 <MTughan> Ooh, my client shows that message being sent at 00:00:00!

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00:03 <MTughan> Looking for keyboard layouts? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout

00:03 <Romulus> Title: Keyboard layout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

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00:50 <XioNYC> I just had 20-30 Ramsey WUs self-destruct as "error in computation", but I hadn't even begun crunching them.

00:50 <wolf_pup> o.0

00:50 <XioNYC> O_o WU seppuku suicide-pact????

00:51 <MTughan> Apparently, they error'd quick.

00:51 <MTughan> Remember Ramsey is still an alpha project though.

00:51 <XioNYC> Everything's always in beta, I know... :-)

00:51 <Tank_Master> cept for BOINC

00:51 <Tank_Master> its always in alpha

00:51 <PovAddict> BOINC?

00:51 <Romulus> hmm... BOINC is all perfect and stuff, PovAddict

00:52 <MTughan> No, Einstein is stable.

00:52 <wolf_pup> skynet

00:52 <MTughan> Dunno that I'd classify S@H as stable.

00:52 <XioNYC> S@H users aren't - the app, mostly is.

00:53 <XioNYC> Hmm...

00:53 <PovAddict> look at BOINCStats shoutbox

00:53 <PovAddict> tell me how many people regularly posting there can be called "stable"

00:53 <MTughan> I used too...

00:53 <MTughan> to*

00:54 <PovAddict> it's not that regularly posting there makes you "not stable"

00:54 <PovAddict> it's that the people I have recently seen regularly posting there aren't :)

00:54 <XioNYC> When a BOINC project releases a new version of its crunching app, can the project instruct a client to ditch all of the client's existing WUs?

00:54 <Tank_Master> Nickuwo is not stable

00:54 <PovAddict> EEK what was that horrible sound

00:55 <PovAddict> if that was my hard disk then brb shooting myself

00:55 * PovAddict sees nothing on logs

00:55 <XioNYC> .o0( And if he does, am I in the will? )

00:56 <PovAddict> XioNYC: you can keep my facebook gift credits

00:56 <XioNYC> I think I'm getting too old for Facebook ;-(

00:56 <PovAddict> &grab XioNYC

00:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:56 <MTughan> The pedophiles would say otherwise.

00:56 <XioNYC> That'd be 4chan, MTughan

00:56 <MTughan> Is Pedobear on Facebook?

00:57 * XioNYC looks frantically

00:57 <XioNYC> Oh...

00:57 <XioNYC> Dear...

00:57 <XioNYC> God...

00:57 <XioNYC> Yes.

00:57 <MTughan> roflmao!

00:57 <PovAddict> and girls are willingly posting bikini pictures in there

00:57 <wolf_pup> O_O

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00:58 <XioNYC> That's IT!  I want a divorce from reality!  And she can KEEP the KIDS!

00:58 <MTughan> Which one? I see 115 results for "pedobear".

00:58 <PovAddict> MTughan: O_O

00:58 <PovAddict> &grab XioNYC

00:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:58 <XioNYC> 115 finds are 115 finds too many >_<

00:58 <MTughan> Holy crap, there's even a site listed...

00:59 <MTughan> http://pedobear.org/

00:59 <Romulus> Title: Home - PedoBear's Home on the Internetz (at pedobear.org)

01:00 <MTughan> Totally NSFW...

01:00 <XioNYC> ______________________.

01:00 * XioNYC has been rendered speechless

01:01 <MTughan> I think we should stop before we turn #boinc into the next /b/.

01:01 <PovAddict> http://pedobear.org/resources/_wsb_421x275_pedo.jpg

01:01 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/r2wukt> (at pedobear.org)

01:01 <MTughan> Yeah, you know what the white spots are supposed to be, right?

01:01 <PovAddict> sooooo wrong

01:01 <MTughan> Because if you don't, there no f***ing way I'm telling you.

01:03 <PovAddict> http://pedobear.org/resources/_wsb_474x527_117499963757+$281$29.jpg

01:03 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/p8bv4t> (at pedobear.org)

01:03 <XioNYC> Bird poop.  Don't let anyone tell you anything different.  It's bird poop.  Just like that thing caught on 35mm in Roswell, NM.

01:04 <MTughan> I think it's photoshopped in.

01:04 * XioNYC is actually crying

01:05 <XioNYC> All I wanted was to figure out WTF happened to a few measly WUs and all I got was pedobear instead!!!

01:05 <MTughan> &grab XioNYC

01:05 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

01:06 <MTughan> Holy crap... There's a page for a "Pedobear Awareness Week."

01:07 <XioNYC> I knew I shouldda been a luddite living in a shack in Montana...

01:07 <MTughan> Okay, figures... One of the groups is labelled "Common Interest - Sexuality." I don't want to know what sexuality if we're talking about Pedobear.

01:07 <XioNYC> The Internet was won, I lave lost.  GAME OVER.  I won't insert 25¢ to continue, pass "Go", or collect $200.

01:08 <PovAddict> stop...talking about it

01:08 <MTughan> <PovAddict> and girls are willingly posting bikini pictures in there

01:08 <MTughan> I... found... them...

01:08 <MTughan> I am not pasting it here.

01:11 <MTughan> I swear, I didn't go looking for them. They were in with the pictures for the Pedobear group. I was trying to find the "Pedobear Seal of Approval." Yes, they've made a seal.

01:13 <XioNYC> Every time I think the Internet couldn't reflect mankind any worse... it does.

01:13 <XioNYC> So...

01:13 <XioNYC> Suicidal WUs.

01:14 <XioNYC> Common?

01:14 <PovAddict> havent seen it before

01:14 <XioNYC> Ok, then... off to the message board...

01:19 <MTughan> Ooh, Daft Punk on Facebook.

01:21 <MTughan> Haha... My friends liked this. A friend of mine also on Facebook put up a list of "100 things you might not know about me".

01:21 <MTughan> One of the lines: 19. FAVORITE COLOR OF ALL TIME? #00FF00

01:28 <XioNYC> Facebook: The confessional of Generation Y.

01:28 * XioNYC rolls eyes

01:30 <efc> I was in Gen X but then I got demoted to Y.. or vice versa

01:31 <XioNYC> Join the club:

01:31 <XioNYC> I walk into a Library and look for the card catalog.

01:31 <XioNYC> I still *dial* phone numbers.

01:31 <XioNYC> It's still "Peking" (Happy Tiennamen Sq. Day, btw)

01:32 <XioNYC> And yet I'm the lead e-loonie of the younger generation... go fig.

01:32 * efc cranks up the tank for the memories

01:32 * XioNYC stands in front of the take

01:32 <XioNYC> s`take`tank

01:33 * CoderForLife coughs

01:33 * XioNYC hands CoderForLife a lozenge

01:33 <CoderForLife> thx

01:33 <XioNYC> w'lcome

01:33 <PovAddict> 2.33 am

01:33 <XioNYC> 01:34

01:33 <CoderForLife> 4.5 hours sleep tonight - so far

01:34 <PovAddict> and I just committed some modified Code to a repository... I said I wasn't going to do this again...

01:34 <efc> We Must Stop Committing Like This

01:34 <PovAddict> we'll see tomorrow what I broke

01:34 <XioNYC> &grab PovAddict

01:34 <Romulus> XioNYC: The operation succeeded.

01:35 <PovAddict> efc: last time I edited code at 3 am, BOINC detached every project I was in next time I restarted it

01:37 <PovAddict> it thought "account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml" didn't end with ".xml"... my modification to ends_with made it give the opposite answer

01:38 <efc> Must Be An Isolated Incident

01:42 <MTughan> Well... Someone at my university I knew from a programming conference posted a movie of Disturbed playing Down with the Sickness in Ottawa, probably recently.

01:43 <MTughan> Decided to take a look at the lyrics for the song... I understand why the band name was chosen now.

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01:47 <MTughan> And now I actually have a headache from the song...

01:49 <wolf_pup> gn

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01:49 <MTughan> Some light Switchfoot should clear that up.

01:50 * XioNYC also clocks out

01:50 <XioNYC> G'night

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01:57 <efc> &cyborg WINDOWS

01:57 <Romulus> efc: W.I.N.D.O.W.S.: Wireless Intelligent Neohuman Designed for Online Warfare and Sabotage

01:58 <wolf_pup-sleep> &cyborg VISTA

01:58 <Romulus> wolf_pup-sleep: V.I.S.T.A.: Versatile Intelligent Scientific Troubleshooting Android

01:58 <MTughan> Versatile? Ha!

01:58 <wolf_pup-sleep> xD

01:59 <MTughan> Also, no need to capitalize for cyborg.

01:59 <MTughan> &cyborg wolf

01:59 <Romulus> MTughan: W.O.L.F.: Worker Optimized for Logical Fighting

01:59 <MTughan> rofl

01:59 <MTughan> !@#& = Work

01:59 <wolf_pup-sleep> o.0

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03:07 <MTughan> Holy crap... Staffers are getting d-lined.

03:27 <MTughan> <clug> I feel invinicible!

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03:40 <FreeLarry58> &cyborg MTughan

03:40 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: M.T.U.G.H.A.N.: Mechanical Transforming Unit Generated for Hazardous Assassination and Nullification

03:41 <FreeLarry58> then assassinate and nullify my yard

03:41 <FreeLarry58> 7cyborg FreeLarry

03:41 <FreeLarry58> &cyborg FreeLarry

03:41 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: F.R.E.E.L.A.R.R.Y.: Functional Robotic Entity Engineered for Logical Assassination, Repair and Rational Yelling

03:42 <FreeLarry58> bout right - dont need no brain for that

03:42 <MTughan> Rational Yelling... I like it.

03:42 <FreeLarry58> lol figured you would

03:43 <efc> &cyborg grayhound

03:43 <Romulus> efc: G.R.A.Y.H.O.U.N.D.: General Robotic Android Yearning for Hazardous Observation, Utility and Nocturnal Destruction

03:43 <FreeLarry58> &cyborg hentai

03:43 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: H.E.N.T.A.I.: Humanoid Engineered for Nocturnal Troubleshooting and Accurate Infiltration

03:44 <FreeLarry58> or for one of the others in here

03:44 <FreeLarry58> &cyborg porn

03:44 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: P.O.R.N.: Person Optimized for Repair and Nullification

03:44 <FreeLarry58> anotherwords life

03:45 <MTughan> Repair and nullification of what?

03:45 <FreeLarry58> self

03:45 <CoderForLife> null responses

03:47 <FreeLarry58> well looks like at least some of the comps here are now talking to each other on gigabit ethernet internally here - even if router and modem only 10/100 all switches are gigabit and most new machines are too

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05:29 <Nickuwo> xionyc: It's because I don't have a mac app ATM

05:29 <Nickuwo> sorry bout that

05:29 <xionyc> huh? wha? whoo?

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05:29 <XioNYC> I'm awake.... -ish.

05:30 <Nickuwo> sorry, didnt mean to wake you

05:30 <Nickuwo> I dont have mac apps for the latest iteration...

05:30 <XioNYC> no... 'sokay.  I was just writing some 'moody' thingie bemoaning life..

05:30 <Nickuwo> heh

05:30 <XioNYC> iteration... of Rosetta?

05:30 <Nickuwo> i hope it wasnt all b/c of ramsey :)

05:31 <XioNYC> Oh.

05:31 <XioNYC> Uh... no, no it was just Ramsey.

05:31 * XioNYC sips his coffee

05:32 <Nickuwo> hmm, well yea, I'll talk to MT tmrw and try to get him to build me some mac apps

05:32 <Nickuwo> don't get too down

05:32 <Nickuwo> women come and go :)

05:32 <XioNYC> >ahem!<  Uh... no it looks like Ramsey sent out  a new version of itself to clients and somehow can't quite get the new version to jive with WUs for the old version.

05:32 <Nickuwo> yes, that is the case

05:33 <Nickuwo> the old version cannot be trusted

05:33 <XioNYC> Ahh... that confirms it then.  No prob - I've got plenty of WCG Wus in the queue ;-)

05:33 <Nickuwo> right opn

05:33 <Nickuwo> on

05:34 <Nickuwo> alright, well, bedtime for me. don't get too 'moody'

05:35 <XioNYC> Find me a job and I'll be orgasmic :-)

05:35 <XioNYC> G'night, Nickuwo.

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06:15 <MTughan> Oh yeah, forgot about those...

06:15 <MTughan> Thanks for reminding me Nickuwo.

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06:17 <MTughan> Nickuwo: You forgot the #ifdef check again. :P

06:18 <MTughan> http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/michaelsprogramming/ramsey.zip

06:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/pskc4v> (at home.interlog.com)

06:21 <MTughan> Sorry for the delay tonight, I was watching Wall-E.

06:24 <hawmps> sporks >>121.130.202.148, 61.139.140.18, 61.128.109.158

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08:14 <[B^S]renemayer> someone here who takes care of the boinc help section? i got spam today and suggest capchas.

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09:16 <hawmps> a nutterone >> 74.94.146.218

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10:45 <Nickuwo> MTughan: Crap, I forgot to send you 2.06 :). Sending now...

10:45 <Nickuwo> Mtughan: Thanks again!

10:46 <Nickuwo> shoulda mentioned it, my bad

10:59 <Nickuwo> shit, forgot the #ifdef again

10:59 <wdsmia> asks Nickuwo to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

11:00 <Nickuwo> your gonna have to remind me what that problem was actually :).

11:00 <Nickuwo> memory ain't what it used to be

11:00 <Nickuwo> prly clogged with barley and hops

11:01 <Nickuwo> sheesh, doesn't anyone get up early anymore?

11:01 <Nickuwo> welp, back to bed

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11:22 <PovAddict> Nickuwo: early? of course not

11:27 <hawmps> hell.. it's almost lunch time..

11:30 <PovAddict> noon here

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11:43 <Nickuwo> MTughan: don't bother with 2.06 either, there's still a bug

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13:23 <MTughan> Nickuwo: Early? I built the apps at 6:20AM, didn't sleep the night prior.

13:29 <Nickuwo> MTughan: you're some sort of crazy

13:29 <MTughan> I'd agree.

13:33 <Nickuwo> Is there any reason that an input file would get deleted/modified on the client before the task finished?

13:33 <Nickuwo> besides, of course, user intervention

13:36 <Nickuwo> MT, sent ya 2.07

13:36 <Nickuwo> thanks again :)

13:36 <MTughan> Got it.

13:37 <DerMeister> Nickuwo: are you talking about input files for boinc science applications?

13:37 <Nickuwo> yes

13:37 <MTughan> Also, the #ifdef I was talking about is a preprocessor define check for "check". OS X defines a macro by the name, which screws up your code later on, so the macro has to be undefined.

13:37 <DerMeister> Well, there may be no reason but at least one project modifies its input files to store checkpoints

13:38 <Nickuwo> ahh yes

13:38 <DerMeister> It essetially replaces (one of) its input files on each checkpoint with the current status

13:38 <Nickuwo> DerMeister: okay, but there's no reason why boinc itself would modify/delete input files before the task was finished, that you know of?

13:38 <MTughan> http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/michaelsprogramming/ramsey.zip

13:38 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/pskc4v> (at home.interlog.com)

13:39 <DerMeister> Nickuwo: no, I don't know of anything like that

13:39 <MTughan> That would be the 2.07 Mac apps.

13:39 <Nickuwo> Thx MT

13:39 <Nickuwo> sounds good Der

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14:17 <zero_frozen> is boinc always running at lowest priority?

14:18 <desti> yes

14:18 <zero_frozen> can't it run on normal priority?

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14:18 <hawmps> it doesn't need to..

14:21 <zero_frozen> my cpu needs a whole day to comput one task

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14:22 <zero_frozen> milkway@home

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15:11 <hawmps> when and if you can get mw work, that is...

15:22 <PovAddict> BOINC website is unusably slow

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15:43 <PovAddict> &boincerr 204

15:43 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I couldn't find 204 in boincerr.

15:43 <PovAddict> &boincerr -204

15:43 <Romulus> PovAddict: operation in progress

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16:29 <MTughan> &ping

16:29 <Romulus> pong

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16:46 <xcamel> 'lo

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17:23 <wdsmia> re-hi

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19:33 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:33 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 68.4F / 20.2C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 12.0mph / 19.3km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. Light and variable winds.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 60s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy in the (1 more message)

19:33 <xcamel> &more

19:33 <Romulus> xcamel: evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph... becoming west after midnight.;

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20:25 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

20:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 80.1F / 26.7C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Thunderstorms likely through midnight... then a chance of showers late. Severe storms possible with large hail and damaging winds this evening. Lows 55 to 60. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly (2 more messages)

20:25 <Tank_Master> &more

20:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the morning... then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs 70 to 75. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower to mid 50s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Washington County in effect until 5:45 PM PDT on June 04, 2009; Severe Thunderstorm Watch for Washington County in effect until (1 more message)

20:25 <Tank_Master> &more

20:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 9:00 PM PDT on June 04, 2009; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 6:00 PM PDT on June 04, 2009;

20:26 <Tank_Master> yeah, id say he have damaging windows...,

20:26 <Tank_Master> small branches are falling off the trees

20:26 <Tank_Master> winds*

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20:38 <jackygrahamez_> 8-|

20:39 <jackygrahamez_> &wx 20011

20:39 <Romulus> jackygrahamez_: Temperature: 61.1F / 16.2C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Occasional rain. Rain may be heavy at times after midnight. Lows around 60. Northeast winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Friday - Occasional rain. Rain may be heavy at times in the morning. (1 more message)

20:40 <jackygrahamez_> &more

20:40 <Romulus> jackygrahamez_: Highs in the mid 60s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Friday Night - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain. Lows in the mid 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Areal Flood Watch for District of Columbia County in effect until 5:00 PM EDT on June 05, 2009;

20:41 <jackygrahamez_> I just released a new batch

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20:42 <wolf_pup> moo

20:51 <jackygrahamez_> I can't seem to figure out how to engage the GPU on GPU Grid

20:51 <jackygrahamez_> "Engage"!!!

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20:53 <jackygrahamez_> I got 6.6.28

20:53 <jackygrahamez_> hi kathryn you ever run gpu grid?

20:54 <wolf_pup> u check "use gpu while computer is in use"?

20:54 <jackygrahamez_> I figure before I start trying to do gpus on a my own projects I better be capable of running someone else :-)

20:55 <jackygrahamez_> is that in BOINC client?

20:55 <jackygrahamez_> ahh

20:55 <jackygrahamez_> Got it

20:56 <jackygrahamez_> too bad I only have one GPU :-(

20:56 <jackygrahamez_> not that motherboard with 4 slots I was drooling over

20:58 <jackygrahamez_> but I got 5 threads running now :-)

21:00 <wolf_pup> o.0

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21:14 <jackygrahamez_> is there a good rule of thumb for estimating fpops?

21:14 <jackygrahamez_> conversion between cpu time and fpops?

21:16 <wolf_pup> fpops?

21:17 <jackygrahamez_> as in <rsc_fpops_est>

21:17 <jackygrahamez_> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WorkGeneration

21:17 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7qu584> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

21:18 <jackygrahamez_> Just trying to get a better estimate for each step in a workunit

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21:31 <MTughan> jackygrahamez_: I believe your computer benchmark * WU run time for that computer is a good estimate. PovAddict can confirm.

21:31 <MTughan> wolf_pup: fpops = floating-point operations per second

21:31 <MTughan> Or maybe just floating point ops...

21:45 <PovAddict> what MTughan said

21:46 <PovAddict> MTughan: fpops may be both "floating point operations per second" and the plural of "fpop" (floating point operation)

21:47 <MTughan> Yeah, I wasn't sure what rsc_fpops_est was. I presume the latter?

21:47 <PovAddict> yup

21:47 <PovAddict> as you said, run time * benchmarks in local client

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22:26 <infinisoft> It seems like forums that use RAC as a limit before posting should also allow people with a certain post count as well .

22:27 <infinisoft> If the point is to disallow people who make accounts just for spamming or something.

22:27 <PovAddict> yeah

22:27 <PovAddict> in fact I crunch just enough SETI to remain able to post

22:27 <PovAddict> otherwise it's a pain... I see a post worth replying, I want to reply and... I can't

22:28 <PovAddict> I have to attach, crunch a WU, wait for validation, then post (a whole day may have passed by then)

22:30 <infinisoft> exactly

22:31 <infinisoft> I maintain a fairly large list of projects...but keep only a few active for weeks or months at a time...makes it hard to keep any RAC for most projects

22:32 <infinisoft> You aware if that was already suggested over at the BOINC message boards? I might post to it

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22:51 <infinisoft> Its also very difficult to do that kind of thing in SETI now since some of their pages are now pulling from a backlogged slave db--kinda hard to tell what's going on now

23:00 <infinisoft> I also don't understand why forums don't have legit thread pagination...lol.

23:00 <infinisoft> Seems like a bad idea for search engines and potentially DB load

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23:11 <PovAddict> infinisoft: BOINC forums suck for DB load *anyway*

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23:11 <PovAddict> did you see that feature where if a thread has more than X posts, it only shows the latest Y?

23:12 <PovAddict> (X=100, Y=75 by default)

23:14 <infinisoft> Yeah, I figure that is the workaround for not having any paging

23:14 <PovAddict> well it doesn't help with DB load

23:14 <PovAddict> the code still loads the whole thread from the database

23:14 <PovAddict> then takes the last 75 posts and sends them to the browser

23:15 <infinisoft> ...ouch.

23:15 <PovAddict> I think the whole thread is loaded into memory too

23:15 <PovAddict> then for each post in the thread there is a separate DB query to get the user information :)

23:15 <PovAddict> ("what's a JOIN?")

23:16 <infinisoft> Reallu? ouch.

23:17 <PovAddict> wanna fix it? :)

23:17 <infinisoft> I'm not sure why BOINC decided to reinvent the wheel for the 1000th time when it comes to the forums...

23:18 <PovAddict> eh, better than using phpBB or some crap like that

23:18 <infinisoft> Now it is destined to always be a decade behind any other software

23:19 <PovAddict> soon (= in an indeterminate amount of time probably measured in years) BOINC will start using Drupal for most of the project webpages

23:20 <infinisoft> Hmm, I saw that post just a few mintues ago

23:21 <infinisoft> Well they are not loading right now :)

23:21 <PovAddict> &bw DrupalConversion

23:21 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DrupalConversion

23:24 <infinisoft> ahh. nice, I've messed a bit with CMS's before, but not Drupal.

23:24 <infinisoft> Used a bit of joomla/

23:25 <PovAddict> how much PHP do you know? :)

23:25 <infinisoft> Probably just enough :p

23:26 <infinisoft> Thats nice...then BOINC sites have more freedom to integrate other stuff...as I assume drupal has some variety of available skins and add-ons

23:27 <PovAddict> I don't quite like drupal...

23:27 <PovAddict> most sites I have seen seem to have a single namespace of "nodes"

23:27 <PovAddict> /node/1 may be a forum post and /node/2 a wiki page, wtf?

23:29 <infinisoft> I see what you mean

23:30 <infinisoft> Seems an artifact of the way it is storing all the pages, must be pretty generic.

23:30 <infinisoft> There ought to be some sort of URL rewriting or SEO module to group or categorize pages

23:32 <PovAddict> BOINC devs want to move to drupal so they don't have to maintain the web code

23:32 <PovAddict> but drupal is more of a framework than a standalone CMS

23:33 <PovAddict> they'd then have to constantly maintain boinc-specific drupal modules :)

23:33 <PovAddict> in addition, the devs either didn't look at any other alternatives, or the choice was made behind doors (as usual for them...)

23:38 <infinisoft> Well I support the idea to integrate some sort of software.  It would just have to integrate well enough with the existing user authentication systems

23:39 <infinisoft> Thats one thing that might be a pain...and stuff like forums would probably need some way of migration too.

23:39 <PovAddict> it's not just authentication

23:40 <PovAddict> think list of user's computers... would need to be converted to a drupal module

23:40 <PovAddict> and showing user's credits anywhere the user info is shown

23:43 <infinisoft> yeah...sounds like a potential major headache

23:43 <Nickuwo> what can i do about these damned Breakpoint Encountered (0x80000003) errors?

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