IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-06-11

00:00 <PovAddict> &grab jasong

00:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:15 <jasong> I wish there was a back button feature for the markerline tool

00:15 <jasong> More bloat for most people, but I'd love it

00:16 <jasong> lol, take away the bloat and just put a shedload of boxes to check before you get your super-personal Linux distro

00:16 <jasong> a graphical compiler, the wet dream of all perma-Linux noobs like me

00:17 <umccullough> graphical... compiler?

00:17 <umccullough> what makes a compiler graphical?

00:18 <PovAddict> remember some people cant tell a compiler from an IDE from a programming language

00:18 <umccullough> ah, ok

00:18 <umccullough> eclipse!

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04:00 <Tank_Master> theres a diff?

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06:26 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:07 <kathryn_> ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!  they had a little tiny white kitten at the vet today.  Just like Ivory but with blue eyes.  I had to restrain myself from adopting her.

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07:08 <hawmps> lol

07:09 <hawmps> doesn't snowdevil need a buddy?

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07:12 <KathrynM> My apartment might be a bit too small for two kittens

07:12 <KathrynM> Snowdevil (lol) is only about 6 months

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09:49 <ert> i have boinc running on my debian pc, without of gui just boinc_cmd, i set cpu time on seti home page to to 10 per cpu but they stil use 30-40, i made force-reload but still the same , any hint?

09:50 <ert> sorry for bad english

09:50 <hawmps> no problem..

09:51 <ert> is there some boinc_cmd command that i can use to set cpu using resources

09:51 <hawmps> what was the exact name of the setting you changed?

09:52 <hawmps> Oh... resource share?

09:52 <ert> Use at most cpu

09:52 <hawmps> oh.. that is number of CPU's

09:53 <hawmps> going back to check.. hold on...

09:53 <hawmps> ok.. I see it...

09:54 <ert> hmm, i think that "On multiprocessors, use at most" is about using cpu number

09:54 <hawmps> what version of boinc are you running?

09:54 <hawmps> that is correct..

09:54 <ert> last one availble for debian lenny

09:55 <ert> ok, but my setting for Use at most 20 percent of CPU time does not work

09:55 <ert> still > 60

09:55 <hawmps> I believe (and could be wrong) that the % of CPU time will increase to enforce the WU finish deadlines.

09:56 <hawmps> to little CPU will not complete the work in time.

09:57 <ert> yes, but ticket time will be is accounted by configuration

09:57 <hawmps> no, the deadline is a hard number.

09:57 <ert> hmm, that mean that deadline can icrease/decrease cpu setting if needed?

09:58 <hawmps> basically yes

09:58 <ert> ok

09:59 <hawmps> but running at 'nice -19' it maintains a low system priority.

09:59 <hawmps> so it won't kill the other things you're doing

09:59 <hawmps> (if any)

09:59 <ert> :) ok at moment boinc running < 30 for last 10min as in settings, wired at first 10 min running > 60%

10:00 <hawmps> because the rest of the system was idle?

10:00 <ert> sure , tnx i will set it right now

10:01 <ert> mybe, but there is no setting on homepage for using cpu % in idle time

10:01 <ert> i know that there is one in gui manager

10:01 <ert> but i do not have x server on this server

10:02 <ert> do know any good hoto for boinc_cmd

10:02 <ert> *HowTo

10:04 <hawmps> ah.. you must do an update to enforce the new setting (contact project servers)

10:06 <ert> yes, i have it allready , guess what now boinc again use > 60%....i do not like that

10:11 <ert> never mind, i thank you for helping me, i will try to get more inf about boinc_cmd

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10:29 <hawmps> It's not going to hurt anything on your machine...

10:40 <MTughan> ert: Use at most x% CPU time doesn't really work in BOINC.

10:41 <MTughan> It works by rapidly suspending and resuming project applications at the rate you specified in the preference setting.

10:41 <MTughan> Not many applications can actually handle that kind of activity though. If at all possible, leave CPU time at 100% and change the number of processors it uses.

10:53 <KathrynM> poor kitty is looking for her food and water.  ain't none tonight.  she's getting fixed in the morning.  so nothing to eat or drink now.

10:54 <MTughan> Funny... You were just talking about a kitten earlier today. I was just joking on a Freenode staffer's nick, cutekitten. xD

10:55 <Txt_file> how can I configure it that one pc will get and send the WU for some other PC?

10:55 <KathrynM> yeah, there's a mini version of my cat at the vet up for adoption. only difference is that one has blue eyes.

10:55 <KathrynM> Txt_file, you can't

10:55 <Txt_file> I just heared that it is possible

10:55 <KathrynM> well, you can, I guess.

10:56 <KathrynM> you'd have to download on one machine and put them on a thumb drive.  then transfer the whole thing to the other machine.

10:56 <KathrynM> probably would only work with 5.x.y, not the current 6

10:57 <KathrynM> <------------- bed

10:57 <MTughan> Night Kathy.

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11:21 <Tank_Master> KM!

11:21 <Tank_Master> :)

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11:57 <Tank_Master> huh

11:57 <Tank_Master> the admin for freehal is only 16...

11:57 <Nickuwo> im only 12...

11:57 <Tank_Master> so?

11:57 <Romulus> Rumor has it so is the company that uses the solar panels green, Tank_Master

11:57 <Tank_Master> :P

11:58 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: so?

11:58 <Nickuwo> hehe

11:58 <Nickuwo> i lied

11:58 <Tank_Master> so stfu rommie

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13:50 <PovAddict> &whatis project list

13:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: "project list" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php

14:03 <hawmps> you just added that?

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14:04 <PovAddict> no, I think it was quite a while ago; someone asked what other projects were there

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14:06 <hawmps> Put a platform list in..

14:06 <PovAddict> links to latest versions?

14:07 <hawmps> there has to be a simpler way to just list the latest builds

14:08 <MTughan> Make all of the factoids link to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php ?

14:08 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

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14:10 <hawmps> possible..

14:11 <PovAddict> I'm about to re-add all platform factoids linking to latest versions

14:13 <PovAddict> &whatis windows

14:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: "windows" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe

14:13 <hawmps> &whatis platform list

14:13 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: No factoid matches that key.

14:13 <PovAddict> maybe link that one to download_all.php?

14:13 <PovAddict> &learn platform list as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

14:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

14:14 <hawmps> &whatis platform_list

14:14 <Romulus> hawmps: "platform_list" could be (#1) http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php, or (#2) http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

14:14 <PovAddict> oops :P

14:15 <hawmps> ok.. double entry

14:15 <PovAddict> &forget platform list 2

14:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

14:15 <PovAddict> &whatis platform_list

14:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: "platform_list" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

14:15 <hawmps> better

14:15 <PovAddict> interesting... it considers underscore and space as the same

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14:16 <hawmps> good to go.

14:18 <PovAddict> hmm... seems I didn't add win64

14:18 <PovAddict> there

14:18 <MTughan> &whatis win64

14:18 <Romulus> MTughan: "win64" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_x86_64.exe

14:18 <MTughan> &whatis windows64

14:18 <Romulus> MTughan: "windows64" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_x86_64.exe

14:19 <MTughan> Cool. :)

14:27 <PovAddict> I added some more, based on previous mistakes (searched for &whatis in my IRC log)

14:27 <mweltin> you are a cleaver dude PovAddict

14:28 <MTughan> &factoids search --values boinc.berkely.edu

14:28 <Romulus> MTughan: No keys matched that query.

14:28 <MTughan> &factoids search --values *boinc.berkely.edu*

14:28 <Romulus> MTughan: No keys matched that query.

14:28 <PovAddict> typo

14:28 <MTughan> Oh, there...

14:28 <PovAddict> berkeley

14:28 <MTughan> &factoids search --values *boinc.berkeley.edu*

14:28 <Romulus> MTughan: 'boinc_dl', 'project list', 'Linux', 'Linux32', 'Linux64', 'platform list', and 'x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'

14:29 <PovAddict> &factoids search --values *boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu*

14:29 <Romulus> PovAddict: 'Windows', 'Windows32', 'Mac', 'OSX', 'OS X', 'win32', 'windows64', 'win64', and 'winx64'

14:29 <MTughan> &factoids search --values *berkeley.edu*

14:29 <Romulus> MTughan: 'boinc_dl', 'Astropulse', 'project list', 'Windows', 'Windows32', 'Linux', 'Linux32', 'Linux64', 'Mac', 'OSX', 'OS X', 'platform list', 'win32', 'windows64', 'win64', 'winx64', and 'x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'

14:29 <PovAddict> they were like that in download_all.php...

14:29 <MTughan> There's all of them.

14:29 <hawmps> A'yup

14:29 <MTughan> No factoid for "windows"?

14:30 <PovAddict> it's case insensitive

14:30 <PovAddict> &whatis WiNdOwS

14:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: "WiNdOwS" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe

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14:30 <MTughan> Oh, there... search sorts them by case, so I was looking over by win32.

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14:30 <MTughan> Actually, it doesn't sort them at all...

14:30 <MTughan> Nvm.

14:32 <MTughan> So that should cover most of the spellings, although we probably don't need x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.

14:32 <XioNYC> &whatis BSD

14:32 <Romulus> XioNYC: Error: No factoid matches that key.

14:32 <PovAddict> someone actually tried that one as first attempt

14:32 <XioNYC> Oh.

14:32 <MTughan> Got it from uname?

14:32 <XioNYC> &whatis Darwin

14:32 <Romulus> XioNYC: Error: No factoid matches that key.

14:32 <XioNYC> (*That* came from uname)

14:33 <MTughan> Yeah, because the OS X kernel name is Darwin.

14:33 <XioNYC> Yeah, but it doesn't tell you if it's PPC or x86 Darwin unless you use `uname -m`.

14:34 <MTughan> I think the OS X package has both archs in it.

14:34 <PovAddict> the OS X package has three or four archs in

14:34 <XioNYC> Not all of them, though.  Some are OS X/x86

14:34 <XioNYC> ... OS X/x86-only, I meant.

14:37 <MTughan> One sec, I'll check.

14:37 <MTughan> The core client has three architectures: PPC, i386, and x86_64.

14:38 <MTughan> I remember in the source that PPC64 isn't supported, so that would make sense as the lone omission.

14:39 <XioNYC> ?_?  So what's being used for Cell-based CPUs - PPC32?

14:39 <MTughan> "Resistance is futile (if < 1 ohm)"

14:39 <XioNYC> ^_^

14:39 <MTughan> Any PowerPC processor is getting 32-bit applications from BOINC unless they're used as an anonymous platform.

14:40 <PovAddict> a Cell-based CPU won't run Mac OS X anyway

14:40 <XioNYC> That sounds like a challenge, but I digress.

14:40 <PovAddict> there is a separate platform name for "PS3 running on a Cell"

14:41 <PovAddict> feel free to take it as a challenge

14:41 <XioNYC> If I had a PS3 or a Blade, I would :-)

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15:00 <hawmps> &whatis APOD

15:00 <Romulus> hawmps: "APOD" could be http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/

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15:00 <hawmps> yea

15:00 <MTughan> &alias add apod "echo http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/"

15:00 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

15:00 <MTughan> &apod

15:00 <Romulus> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/

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15:01 <Bucketphase> BOINK YOU

15:01 <Bucketphase> oh that is interesting

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15:01 <PovAddict> the hell?

15:02 <XioNYC> Precisely, Pov.

15:02 <MTughan> People are looking at my /whois in #defocus.

15:03 <MTughan> <Bucketphase> say hello to him for me

15:07 <hawmps> <muckbucket> ??

15:09 <Xenos> I've been thinking of the way to get people addicted to things like boinc. I think a web game would be a good way. Have any of you guys played Evony? Take that, and replace the "Shop" with one where you purchase with "Achievement Points" or whatnot which you gain by contributing CPU time to the various projects.

15:10 <MTughan> Credits aren't enough? We already have "credit whores."

15:10 <Xenos> What can you use them for?

15:10 <PovAddict> you need to be able to buy stuff with credits

15:10 <MTughan> Comparing.

15:11 <PovAddict> even if it's worthless stuff

15:11 <Xenos> PovAddict: Exactly. And buying advantages in a free web game would be one good way to spend it

15:11 <PovAddict> hey, facebook charges a dollar for a 100x100px picture, they call those "gifts" :)

15:12 <MTughan> Nice, 63.5K credits yesterday. :D

15:15 <XioNYC> Xenos: I've got yer achievement points right here <http://www.illwillpress.com/ACH22.html> (NSFW)

15:15 <Romulus> Title: ACHIEVEMENTS :: illwillpress.com (at www.illwillpress.com)

15:15 <PovAddict> that just made Flash segfault

15:16 <XioNYC> Really?

15:20 <MTughan> Probably better that it did after watching it here...

15:20 <PovAddict> lol

15:20 <PovAddict> pr0n?

15:20 <MTughan> Sort of...

15:20 <hawmps> I suggested that for boinc credits many times - got ignored.

15:20 <MTughan> One scene could be considered pr0n.

15:21 <hawmps> you could "spend" your boinc credits on discounts for more powerful hardware....

15:22 <MTughan> That would require help from hardware makers.

15:22 <PovAddict> you need to convince hardware makers for that, not BOINC devs

15:22 <MTughan> Or retailers.

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15:35 <XioNYC> That raises the difficult question of how one goes about monetizing BOINC (if at all).  I can't figure out a way to price on a cobblestone other than the cost of computing (electricity, admin, etc.)

15:36 <XioNYC> What value a computer result has depends very much on the validation of the work and what the result does for a company in the long run.

15:37 <XioNYC> Short of NASA, I don't think most companies would be all that interested in spending money looking for aliens who may (or may not) exist.

15:37 <XioNYC> The same scenario plays out across a number of projects.

15:38 <XioNYC> So... without corporate interest from hardware makers and retailers, there'll never be a "BOINC Discount".

15:38 <PovAddict> Sun and Intel have donated hardware for SETI servers

15:38 <XioNYC> But not to the individual cruncher.

15:38 <PovAddict> hell no, why would they? :)

15:39 <XioNYC> Because we want them to? :)

15:39 <PovAddict> they may, however, give discounts...

15:39 <PovAddict> remember if you get a discount, it's cheaper, so it's more likely you buy it

15:39 <XioNYC> I've yet to see a BOINC discount.

15:40 <PovAddict> "$10 with 50% off!"  makes people think they are getting a good deal, a whole 50% off!

15:40 <PovAddict> they wouldn't think the same if it said "$5"

15:41 <PovAddict> silly human nature

15:41 <XioNYC> I know... spend $100 and get everything half-price means you've spent $50 in order to "save" $50

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15:43 <XioNYC> That, and prices ending in _9.95 piss me off to no end.

15:43 <XioNYC> Just once I'd like to see a price tag that ends in _0.00.

15:43 <XioNYC> </rant>

15:44 <MTughan> I've seen prices that end in _5.00.

15:44 <PovAddict> I wanted a hack for the iPhone that would hook into app store and add five cents to all prices

15:48 <MTughan> KathrynM: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/11/funny-pictures-cat-behaviour-24/

15:48 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/n3qs3f> (at icanhascheezburger.com)

15:49 <MTughan> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/11/funny-pictures-cat-behavior-24/ *

15:49 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/nudxma> (at icanhascheezburger.com)

15:49 <MTughan> Stupid American spellings...

15:49 <PovAddict> mew

15:51 <xcamel> chirp

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17:02 <CoderForLife> barf, er bark

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17:04 <mweltin> click click

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17:09 <XioNYC> thud!

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17:28 <wdsmia> Boom!

17:36 <xcamel> same here... but later..

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18:51 <KathrynM> MTughan, LOL.  Looks like my Ivory.

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18:51 <KathrynM> Poor thing is hungry.  But no food for her

19:04 <PovAddict> the post-nap cat?

19:05 <CoderForLife> back

19:08 <KathrynM> cat napping in my arms right now.

19:08 <KathrynM> tail up by her head.  nose buried in her paws

19:08 <KathrynM> so basically a ball

19:08 <PovAddict> aww

19:08 <CoderForLife> cute

19:09 <KathrynM> http://www.strangeplaces.net/weirdthings/haiku.html

19:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/n3cq> (at www.strangeplaces.net)

19:09 <KathrynM> she goes to the vet in an hour to be spayed and microchipped

19:09 <PovAddict> cyborg cat?

19:09 <PovAddict> &ping

19:09 <PovAddict> I think my IRC connection is unidirectional right now <.<

19:09 <Romulus> pong

19:09 <PovAddict> there we go

19:10 <KathrynM> yup

19:10 <PovAddict> what does the microchip do? RFID?

19:10 <KathrynM> and when I get back to the US I'll probably have to have her chipped again seeing as the US is stupid and stuff and uses a different standard

19:10 <PovAddict> lol

19:11 <KathrynM> yeah, rfid

19:11 <PovAddict> ThinkGeek has an RFID kit

19:12 <PovAddict> includes several chips in different form factors, an USB thing for the computer to load data into them, and a book

19:12 <PovAddict> and a big warning saying "don't implant this on yourself"

19:13 <PovAddict> actual quote "...which you should never ever load into a blowgun and implant in any of your coworkers because it's not surgically sterilized"

19:15 <KathrynM> lol

19:15 <xcamel> re-back

19:16 <CoderForLife> wb

19:18 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/ae83/?cpg=ab rofl

19:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/nm6npp> (at www.thinkgeek.com)

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19:42 <Tank_Master> woot

19:43 <Tank_Master> got my new 23" lcd monitor hooked up :)

19:43 <xcamel> nice

19:44 <Tank_Master> it is

19:44 <Tank_Master> though im not really a big fan of the wide screen format

19:44 <PovAddict> ditto

19:44 <Tank_Master> though not Ill have to clean up behind my monitor

19:44 <xcamel> I have the viewsonic version of that one.

19:45 <PovAddict> in fact, my eyes now think a 4:3 rectangle is a square

19:45 <PovAddict> :)

19:45 <Tank_Master> it may be wider, but theres more space between the desk and the monitor now :P

19:45 <Tank_Master> PovAddict: you mean its not?

19:46 <PovAddict> 1:1 is square

19:46 <Tank_Master> looks square tome ;)

19:46 <Tank_Master> yeah

19:46 <Tank_Master> now I gotta move my head side to side while playing games

19:46 <Tank_Master> it sucks

19:46 <Tank_Master> :P

19:47 <PovAddict> you can be a geek if: you remember at least 12 powers of 2, and common pixel sizes of 4:3 screen resolutions

19:47 * PovAddict looks at KathrynM

19:47 <KathrynM> uh...

19:47 <Tank_Master> oh, I do have mezmerized the screen resolutions... :P

19:47 <KathrynM> 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128

19:48 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: 640x?

19:48 <infinisoft> lol.

19:48 <KathrynM> I got to 7 :D

19:48 <Tank_Master> 480

19:48 <Tank_Master> 256, 512,1024,2048,4096...

19:48 <PovAddict> 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192

19:48 <xcamel> widescreens are 16x9

19:48 <Tank_Master> damn

19:48 <PovAddict> 16384 32768 65536

19:48 <Tank_Master> pove one uped me

19:48 <Tank_Master> lol

19:48 <PovAddict> I think the next starts with 131

19:50 <Tank_Master> dont remember

19:50 <infinisoft> ,072 ? :p

19:51 <Tank_Master> 131072

19:51 <Tank_Master> 262144

19:51 <Tank_Master> 524288

19:51 <Tank_Master> :P

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20:14 <pianohacker> What directory does the latest version of BOINC store its project files in, under Linux? Trying to migrate an old installation

20:18 <PovAddict> in the current directory where it runs

20:18 <pianohacker> That's the impression I got from the code. What if I run it using the GUI, without using the terminal?

20:19 <PovAddict> that depends on how you installed it

20:20 <PovAddict> with most installation methods, you can't "run it using the GUI"

20:20 <PovAddict> when you start the GUI, BOINC itself is already running (starts on boot)

20:20 <pianohacker> And a home directory would have been passed to the daemon

20:20 <pianohacker> OK

20:20 <PovAddict> what Linux distro, and where did you get BOINC from, and how did you install it?

20:22 <pianohacker> I'm trying to migrate an old 5.4.11 BOINC home directory (installed from the archive), to be used by Arch Linux's package

20:22 <pianohacker> I know I have to either find which directory it wants or point it there manually, that makes sense

20:22 <pianohacker> Would it be easiest just to attach, then detach?

20:22 <PovAddict> honestly, yes...

20:22 <pianohacker> *detach then attach, rather

20:22 <PovAddict> migrating between different installation methods isn't easy

20:23 <pianohacker> OK

20:23 <pianohacker> Especially when a year of development also separates them :)

20:23 <PovAddict> and I have no idea how arch linux BOINC package stores its stuff

20:23 <pianohacker> Only one way to find out

20:23 <pianohacker> Thanks agcain

20:23 <pianohacker> *again

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21:11 <MTughan> 5.4.11? Wow.

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22:59 <zombie67> stupid windows updates

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