00:00 <PovAddict> &grab jasong
00:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
00:15 <jasong> I wish there was a back button feature for the markerline tool
00:15 <jasong> More bloat for most people, but I'd love it
00:16 <jasong> lol, take away the bloat and just put a shedload of boxes to check before you get your super-personal Linux distro
00:16 <jasong> a graphical compiler, the wet dream of all perma-Linux noobs like me
00:17 <umccullough> graphical... compiler?
00:17 <umccullough> what makes a compiler graphical?
00:18 <PovAddict> remember some people cant tell a compiler from an IDE from a programming language
00:18 <umccullough> ah, ok
00:18 <umccullough> eclipse!
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04:00 <Tank_Master> theres a diff?
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06:26 <hawmps> 'lo
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07:07 <kathryn_> ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! they had a little tiny white kitten at the vet today. Just like Ivory but with blue eyes. I had to restrain myself from adopting her.
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07:08 <hawmps> lol
07:09 <hawmps> doesn't snowdevil need a buddy?
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07:12 <KathrynM> My apartment might be a bit too small for two kittens
07:12 <KathrynM> Snowdevil (lol) is only about 6 months
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09:49 <ert> i have boinc running on my debian pc, without of gui just boinc_cmd, i set cpu time on seti home page to to 10 per cpu but they stil use 30-40, i made force-reload but still the same , any hint?
09:50 <ert> sorry for bad english
09:50 <hawmps> no problem..
09:51 <ert> is there some boinc_cmd command that i can use to set cpu using resources
09:51 <hawmps> what was the exact name of the setting you changed?
09:52 <hawmps> Oh... resource share?
09:52 <ert> Use at most cpu
09:52 <hawmps> oh.. that is number of CPU's
09:53 <hawmps> going back to check.. hold on...
09:53 <hawmps> ok.. I see it...
09:54 <ert> hmm, i think that "On multiprocessors, use at most" is about using cpu number
09:54 <hawmps> what version of boinc are you running?
09:54 <hawmps> that is correct..
09:54 <ert> last one availble for debian lenny
09:55 <ert> ok, but my setting for Use at most 20 percent of CPU time does not work
09:55 <ert> still > 60
09:55 <hawmps> I believe (and could be wrong) that the % of CPU time will increase to enforce the WU finish deadlines.
09:56 <hawmps> to little CPU will not complete the work in time.
09:57 <ert> yes, but ticket time will be is accounted by configuration
09:57 <hawmps> no, the deadline is a hard number.
09:57 <ert> hmm, that mean that deadline can icrease/decrease cpu setting if needed?
09:58 <hawmps> basically yes
09:58 <ert> ok
09:59 <hawmps> but running at 'nice -19' it maintains a low system priority.
09:59 <hawmps> so it won't kill the other things you're doing
09:59 <hawmps> (if any)
09:59 <ert> :) ok at moment boinc running < 30 for last 10min as in settings, wired at first 10 min running > 60%
10:00 <hawmps> because the rest of the system was idle?
10:00 <ert> sure , tnx i will set it right now
10:01 <ert> mybe, but there is no setting on homepage for using cpu % in idle time
10:01 <ert> i know that there is one in gui manager
10:01 <ert> but i do not have x server on this server
10:02 <ert> do know any good hoto for boinc_cmd
10:02 <ert> *HowTo
10:04 <hawmps> ah.. you must do an update to enforce the new setting (contact project servers)
10:06 <ert> yes, i have it allready , guess what now boinc again use > 60%....i do not like that
10:11 <ert> never mind, i thank you for helping me, i will try to get more inf about boinc_cmd
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10:29 <hawmps> It's not going to hurt anything on your machine...
10:40 <MTughan> ert: Use at most x% CPU time doesn't really work in BOINC.
10:41 <MTughan> It works by rapidly suspending and resuming project applications at the rate you specified in the preference setting.
10:41 <MTughan> Not many applications can actually handle that kind of activity though. If at all possible, leave CPU time at 100% and change the number of processors it uses.
10:53 <KathrynM> poor kitty is looking for her food and water. ain't none tonight. she's getting fixed in the morning. so nothing to eat or drink now.
10:54 <MTughan> Funny... You were just talking about a kitten earlier today. I was just joking on a Freenode staffer's nick, cutekitten. xD
10:55 <Txt_file> how can I configure it that one pc will get and send the WU for some other PC?
10:55 <KathrynM> yeah, there's a mini version of my cat at the vet up for adoption. only difference is that one has blue eyes.
10:55 <KathrynM> Txt_file, you can't
10:55 <Txt_file> I just heared that it is possible
10:55 <KathrynM> well, you can, I guess.
10:56 <KathrynM> you'd have to download on one machine and put them on a thumb drive. then transfer the whole thing to the other machine.
10:56 <KathrynM> probably would only work with 5.x.y, not the current 6
10:57 <KathrynM> <------------- bed
10:57 <MTughan> Night Kathy.
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11:21 <Tank_Master> KM!
11:21 <Tank_Master> :)
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11:57 <Tank_Master> huh
11:57 <Tank_Master> the admin for freehal is only 16...
11:57 <Nickuwo> im only 12...
11:57 <Tank_Master> so?
11:57 <Romulus> Rumor has it so is the company that uses the solar panels green, Tank_Master
11:57 <Tank_Master> :P
11:58 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: so?
11:58 <Nickuwo> hehe
11:58 <Nickuwo> i lied
11:58 <Tank_Master> so stfu rommie
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13:50 <PovAddict> &whatis project list
14:03 <hawmps> you just added that?
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14:04 <PovAddict> no, I think it was quite a while ago; someone asked what other projects were there
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14:06 <hawmps> Put a platform list in..
14:06 <PovAddict> links to latest versions?
14:07 <hawmps> there has to be a simpler way to just list the latest builds
14:08 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
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14:10 <hawmps> possible..
14:11 <PovAddict> I'm about to re-add all platform factoids linking to latest versions
14:13 <PovAddict> &whatis windows
14:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: "windows" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe
14:13 <hawmps> &whatis platform list
14:13 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: No factoid matches that key.
14:13 <PovAddict> maybe link that one to download_all.php?
14:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
14:14 <hawmps> &whatis platform_list
14:14 <PovAddict> oops :P
14:15 <hawmps> ok.. double entry
14:15 <PovAddict> &forget platform list 2
14:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
14:15 <PovAddict> &whatis platform_list
14:15 <hawmps> better
14:15 <PovAddict> interesting... it considers underscore and space as the same
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14:16 <hawmps> good to go.
14:18 <PovAddict> hmm... seems I didn't add win64
14:18 <PovAddict> there
14:18 <MTughan> &whatis win64
14:18 <Romulus> MTughan: "win64" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_x86_64.exe
14:18 <MTughan> &whatis windows64
14:18 <Romulus> MTughan: "windows64" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_x86_64.exe
14:19 <MTughan> Cool. :)
14:27 <PovAddict> I added some more, based on previous mistakes (searched for &whatis in my IRC log)
14:27 <mweltin> you are a cleaver dude PovAddict
14:28 <MTughan> &factoids search --values boinc.berkely.edu
14:28 <Romulus> MTughan: No keys matched that query.
14:28 <MTughan> &factoids search --values *boinc.berkely.edu*
14:28 <Romulus> MTughan: No keys matched that query.
14:28 <PovAddict> typo
14:28 <MTughan> Oh, there...
14:28 <PovAddict> berkeley
14:28 <MTughan> &factoids search --values *boinc.berkeley.edu*
14:28 <Romulus> MTughan: 'boinc_dl', 'project list', 'Linux', 'Linux32', 'Linux64', 'platform list', and 'x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'
14:29 <PovAddict> &factoids search --values *boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu*
14:29 <Romulus> PovAddict: 'Windows', 'Windows32', 'Mac', 'OSX', 'OS X', 'win32', 'windows64', 'win64', and 'winx64'
14:29 <MTughan> &factoids search --values *berkeley.edu*
14:29 <Romulus> MTughan: 'boinc_dl', 'Astropulse', 'project list', 'Windows', 'Windows32', 'Linux', 'Linux32', 'Linux64', 'Mac', 'OSX', 'OS X', 'platform list', 'win32', 'windows64', 'win64', 'winx64', and 'x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'
14:29 <PovAddict> they were like that in download_all.php...
14:29 <MTughan> There's all of them.
14:29 <hawmps> A'yup
14:29 <MTughan> No factoid for "windows"?
14:30 <PovAddict> it's case insensitive
14:30 <PovAddict> &whatis WiNdOwS
14:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: "WiNdOwS" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe
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14:30 <MTughan> Oh, there... search sorts them by case, so I was looking over by win32.
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14:30 <MTughan> Actually, it doesn't sort them at all...
14:30 <MTughan> Nvm.
14:32 <MTughan> So that should cover most of the spellings, although we probably don't need x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.
14:32 <XioNYC> &whatis BSD
14:32 <Romulus> XioNYC: Error: No factoid matches that key.
14:32 <PovAddict> someone actually tried that one as first attempt
14:32 <XioNYC> Oh.
14:32 <MTughan> Got it from uname?
14:32 <XioNYC> &whatis Darwin
14:32 <Romulus> XioNYC: Error: No factoid matches that key.
14:32 <XioNYC> (*That* came from uname)
14:33 <MTughan> Yeah, because the OS X kernel name is Darwin.
14:33 <XioNYC> Yeah, but it doesn't tell you if it's PPC or x86 Darwin unless you use `uname -m`.
14:34 <MTughan> I think the OS X package has both archs in it.
14:34 <PovAddict> the OS X package has three or four archs in
14:34 <XioNYC> Not all of them, though. Some are OS X/x86
14:34 <XioNYC> ... OS X/x86-only, I meant.
14:37 <MTughan> One sec, I'll check.
14:37 <MTughan> The core client has three architectures: PPC, i386, and x86_64.
14:38 <MTughan> I remember in the source that PPC64 isn't supported, so that would make sense as the lone omission.
14:39 <XioNYC> ?_? So what's being used for Cell-based CPUs - PPC32?
14:39 <MTughan> "Resistance is futile (if < 1 ohm)"
14:39 <XioNYC> ^_^
14:39 <MTughan> Any PowerPC processor is getting 32-bit applications from BOINC unless they're used as an anonymous platform.
14:40 <PovAddict> a Cell-based CPU won't run Mac OS X anyway
14:40 <XioNYC> That sounds like a challenge, but I digress.
14:40 <PovAddict> there is a separate platform name for "PS3 running on a Cell"
14:41 <PovAddict> feel free to take it as a challenge
14:41 <XioNYC> If I had a PS3 or a Blade, I would :-)
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15:00 <hawmps> &whatis APOD
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15:00 <hawmps> yea
15:00 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.
15:00 <MTughan> &apod
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15:01 <Bucketphase> BOINK YOU
15:01 <Bucketphase> oh that is interesting
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15:01 <PovAddict> the hell?
15:02 <XioNYC> Precisely, Pov.
15:02 <MTughan> People are looking at my /whois in #defocus.
15:03 <MTughan> <Bucketphase> say hello to him for me
15:07 <hawmps> <muckbucket> ??
15:09 <Xenos> I've been thinking of the way to get people addicted to things like boinc. I think a web game would be a good way. Have any of you guys played Evony? Take that, and replace the "Shop" with one where you purchase with "Achievement Points" or whatnot which you gain by contributing CPU time to the various projects.
15:10 <MTughan> Credits aren't enough? We already have "credit whores."
15:10 <Xenos> What can you use them for?
15:10 <PovAddict> you need to be able to buy stuff with credits
15:10 <MTughan> Comparing.
15:11 <PovAddict> even if it's worthless stuff
15:11 <Xenos> PovAddict: Exactly. And buying advantages in a free web game would be one good way to spend it
15:11 <PovAddict> hey, facebook charges a dollar for a 100x100px picture, they call those "gifts" :)
15:12 <MTughan> Nice, 63.5K credits yesterday. :D
15:15 <Romulus> Title: ACHIEVEMENTS :: illwillpress.com (at www.illwillpress.com)
15:15 <PovAddict> that just made Flash segfault
15:16 <XioNYC> Really?
15:20 <MTughan> Probably better that it did after watching it here...
15:20 <PovAddict> lol
15:20 <PovAddict> pr0n?
15:20 <MTughan> Sort of...
15:20 <hawmps> I suggested that for boinc credits many times - got ignored.
15:20 <MTughan> One scene could be considered pr0n.
15:21 <hawmps> you could "spend" your boinc credits on discounts for more powerful hardware....
15:22 <MTughan> That would require help from hardware makers.
15:22 <PovAddict> you need to convince hardware makers for that, not BOINC devs
15:22 <MTughan> Or retailers.
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15:35 <XioNYC> That raises the difficult question of how one goes about monetizing BOINC (if at all). I can't figure out a way to price on a cobblestone other than the cost of computing (electricity, admin, etc.)
15:36 <XioNYC> What value a computer result has depends very much on the validation of the work and what the result does for a company in the long run.
15:37 <XioNYC> Short of NASA, I don't think most companies would be all that interested in spending money looking for aliens who may (or may not) exist.
15:37 <XioNYC> The same scenario plays out across a number of projects.
15:38 <XioNYC> So... without corporate interest from hardware makers and retailers, there'll never be a "BOINC Discount".
15:38 <PovAddict> Sun and Intel have donated hardware for SETI servers
15:38 <XioNYC> But not to the individual cruncher.
15:38 <PovAddict> hell no, why would they? :)
15:39 <XioNYC> Because we want them to? :)
15:39 <PovAddict> they may, however, give discounts...
15:39 <PovAddict> remember if you get a discount, it's cheaper, so it's more likely you buy it
15:39 <XioNYC> I've yet to see a BOINC discount.
15:40 <PovAddict> "$10 with 50% off!" makes people think they are getting a good deal, a whole 50% off!
15:40 <PovAddict> they wouldn't think the same if it said "$5"
15:41 <PovAddict> silly human nature
15:41 <XioNYC> I know... spend $100 and get everything half-price means you've spent $50 in order to "save" $50
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15:43 <XioNYC> That, and prices ending in _9.95 piss me off to no end.
15:43 <XioNYC> Just once I'd like to see a price tag that ends in _0.00.
15:43 <XioNYC> </rant>
15:44 <MTughan> I've seen prices that end in _5.00.
15:44 <PovAddict> I wanted a hack for the iPhone that would hook into app store and add five cents to all prices
15:48 <MTughan> KathrynM: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/11/funny-pictures-cat-behaviour-24/
15:49 <MTughan> Stupid American spellings...
15:49 <PovAddict> mew
15:51 <xcamel> chirp
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17:02 <CoderForLife> barf, er bark
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17:04 <mweltin> click click
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17:09 <XioNYC> thud!
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17:28 <wdsmia> Boom!
17:36 <xcamel> same here... but later..
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18:51 <KathrynM> MTughan, LOL. Looks like my Ivory.
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18:51 <KathrynM> Poor thing is hungry. But no food for her
19:04 <PovAddict> the post-nap cat?
19:05 <CoderForLife> back
19:08 <KathrynM> cat napping in my arms right now.
19:08 <KathrynM> tail up by her head. nose buried in her paws
19:08 <KathrynM> so basically a ball
19:08 <PovAddict> aww
19:08 <CoderForLife> cute
19:09 <KathrynM> she goes to the vet in an hour to be spayed and microchipped
19:09 <PovAddict> cyborg cat?
19:09 <PovAddict> &ping
19:09 <PovAddict> I think my IRC connection is unidirectional right now <.<
19:09 <Romulus> pong
19:09 <PovAddict> there we go
19:10 <KathrynM> yup
19:10 <PovAddict> what does the microchip do? RFID?
19:10 <KathrynM> and when I get back to the US I'll probably have to have her chipped again seeing as the US is stupid and stuff and uses a different standard
19:10 <PovAddict> lol
19:11 <KathrynM> yeah, rfid
19:11 <PovAddict> ThinkGeek has an RFID kit
19:12 <PovAddict> includes several chips in different form factors, an USB thing for the computer to load data into them, and a book
19:12 <PovAddict> and a big warning saying "don't implant this on yourself"
19:13 <PovAddict> actual quote "...which you should never ever load into a blowgun and implant in any of your coworkers because it's not surgically sterilized"
19:15 <KathrynM> lol
19:15 <xcamel> re-back
19:16 <CoderForLife> wb
19:18 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/ae83/?cpg=ab rofl
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19:42 <Tank_Master> woot
19:43 <Tank_Master> got my new 23" lcd monitor hooked up :)
19:43 <xcamel> nice
19:44 <Tank_Master> it is
19:44 <Tank_Master> though im not really a big fan of the wide screen format
19:44 <PovAddict> ditto
19:44 <Tank_Master> though not Ill have to clean up behind my monitor
19:44 <xcamel> I have the viewsonic version of that one.
19:45 <PovAddict> in fact, my eyes now think a 4:3 rectangle is a square
19:45 <PovAddict> :)
19:45 <Tank_Master> it may be wider, but theres more space between the desk and the monitor now :P
19:45 <Tank_Master> PovAddict: you mean its not?
19:46 <PovAddict> 1:1 is square
19:46 <Tank_Master> looks square tome ;)
19:46 <Tank_Master> yeah
19:46 <Tank_Master> now I gotta move my head side to side while playing games
19:46 <Tank_Master> it sucks
19:46 <Tank_Master> :P
19:47 <PovAddict> you can be a geek if: you remember at least 12 powers of 2, and common pixel sizes of 4:3 screen resolutions
19:47 * PovAddict looks at KathrynM
19:47 <KathrynM> uh...
19:47 <Tank_Master> oh, I do have mezmerized the screen resolutions... :P
19:47 <KathrynM> 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128
19:48 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: 640x?
19:48 <infinisoft> lol.
19:48 <KathrynM> I got to 7 :D
19:48 <Tank_Master> 480
19:48 <Tank_Master> 256, 512,1024,2048,4096...
19:48 <PovAddict> 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192
19:48 <xcamel> widescreens are 16x9
19:48 <Tank_Master> damn
19:48 <PovAddict> 16384 32768 65536
19:48 <Tank_Master> pove one uped me
19:48 <Tank_Master> lol
19:48 <PovAddict> I think the next starts with 131
19:50 <Tank_Master> dont remember
19:50 <infinisoft> ,072 ? :p
19:51 <Tank_Master> 131072
19:51 <Tank_Master> 262144
19:51 <Tank_Master> 524288
19:51 <Tank_Master> :P
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20:14 <pianohacker> What directory does the latest version of BOINC store its project files in, under Linux? Trying to migrate an old installation
20:18 <PovAddict> in the current directory where it runs
20:18 <pianohacker> That's the impression I got from the code. What if I run it using the GUI, without using the terminal?
20:19 <PovAddict> that depends on how you installed it
20:20 <PovAddict> with most installation methods, you can't "run it using the GUI"
20:20 <PovAddict> when you start the GUI, BOINC itself is already running (starts on boot)
20:20 <pianohacker> And a home directory would have been passed to the daemon
20:20 <pianohacker> OK
20:20 <PovAddict> what Linux distro, and where did you get BOINC from, and how did you install it?
20:22 <pianohacker> I'm trying to migrate an old 5.4.11 BOINC home directory (installed from the archive), to be used by Arch Linux's package
20:22 <pianohacker> I know I have to either find which directory it wants or point it there manually, that makes sense
20:22 <pianohacker> Would it be easiest just to attach, then detach?
20:22 <PovAddict> honestly, yes...
20:22 <pianohacker> *detach then attach, rather
20:22 <PovAddict> migrating between different installation methods isn't easy
20:23 <pianohacker> OK
20:23 <pianohacker> Especially when a year of development also separates them :)
20:23 <PovAddict> and I have no idea how arch linux BOINC package stores its stuff
20:23 <pianohacker> Only one way to find out
20:23 <pianohacker> Thanks agcain
20:23 <pianohacker> *again
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21:11 <MTughan> 5.4.11? Wow.
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22:59 <zombie67> stupid windows updates
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