IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-06-23

00:00 <zombie67> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182174

00:00 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/lflclx> (at www.newegg.com)

00:01 <MTughan> Wow, that's a lot of PCIe slots...

00:01 <MTughan> If your case has extra room in the bottom, that monster will support 4 GPUs.

00:01 <PovAddict> invest in cooling for that beast

00:02 <zombie67> heh

00:02 <MTughan> Interesting... Do I see a VGA port or two on the back?

00:02 <zombie67> not convinced yet....just trying to get a measure of the available products

00:02 <MTughan> Oh, just one.

00:02 <zombie67> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200302%201071346469%201072147047&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&Order=PRICED

00:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/l4rses> (at www.newegg.com)

00:05 <MTughan> Hmm, some of the motherboards there have PCI-X. Haven't seen that for a while.

00:06 <MTughan> Wow... One of those motherboards has 14 SATA ports.

00:06 <zombie67> server boards need to support legacy much longer

00:06 <MTughan> I think mine has 8.

00:07 <MTughan> zombie67: Well, PCI-X was really server only anyway.

00:07 <zombie67> ah

00:07 <zombie67> that's the only market I know

00:08 <MTughan> Wow, one motherboard here has 9 RAM slots per CPU, total of 18.

00:08 <zombie67> 9?!

00:08 <zombie67> oh right, 3 dimms per channel

00:09 <MTughan> Yeah, so three channels.

00:09 <MTughan> This board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151195

00:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/mc57eu> (at www.newegg.com)

00:09 <zombie67> there are 4 with 18 slots, and 12 with 12

00:09 <MTughan> But the one you linked to is the only one I saw that could support 4 PCIe double-height cards.

00:10 <zombie67> but think about it this way, some boinc tasks take more than 1gb per.  So with 16 threads, you will need >16gb

00:10 <MTughan> And if I know you, the cards you'll be getting will be double-height. :P

00:10 <zombie67> by double height, do you mean thickness?

00:10 <MTughan> Yes.

00:11 <zombie67> figures.

00:11 <MTughan> Well, 2GB DIMMs are fairly cheap, especially now that the server Nehalems take standard DDR3. So to fill 12 slots with 2GB DIMMs would give you 24GB.

00:11 <zombie67> I always end up picking the most expensive

00:11 <zombie67> right

00:11 <zombie67> the point is, the days of 8gb max are over

00:12 <MTughan> Oh yeah.

00:12 <MTughan> I'd have gone further on my machine, but 4GB DIMMs are still more than twice as expensive as 2GB DIMMs.

00:12 <MTughan> I think my chipset supports 16GB though, so it's possible.

00:13 <MTughan> Yes, max 16GB for the P45.

00:14 <MTughan> I can see PovAddict getting jealous here. :P

00:14 <zombie67> heh

00:14 <MTughan> I think he has 2 or 4GB, and here we are talking about 16GB and beyond.

00:15 <MTughan> 16GB for me really is overkill though. I've rarely ever filled up even 8GB.

00:15 <zombie67> that is why it always annoys me when people drool over the 4+ processor boards.  They are missing the REAL cost

00:15 <MTughan> The closest I've come to constant usage is booting 3+ VMs at the same time.

00:15 <zombie67> you mean with RAM?

00:16 <MTughan> Yeah.

00:16 <MTughan> I keep the processor busy 24/7, BOINC makes sure of that.

00:16 <zombie67> I have 8gb in my mac, and it rarely goes over 3gb

00:16 <zombie67> BUT

00:16 <MTughan> I need more RAM in my Mac. It has 2GB right now, but I'm finding day after day that's not enough for me.

00:17 <zombie67> an unlucky pull on magnetism or superlink, all doing the same thing at the same time, and you need the ram

00:17 <MTughan> Those are the big RAM users?

00:17 <zombie67> Ever since Tiger, I recommed at least 2gb/core

00:17 <zombie67> yeah

00:17 <zombie67> sometimes Lattice too

00:17 <MTughan> In that case, 4GB would be recommended for my dual.

00:17 <zombie67> yes

00:18 <zombie67> just got an iMac out of the mac store

00:18 <MTughan> But I need to hold off on my spending right now. I think I owe about $650 to my grandmother for the desktop still.

00:18 <zombie67> got the mobo replaced

00:18 <zombie67> free

00:18 <zombie67> sweet!

00:18 <MTughan> She doesn't even know it, that's the worst part...

00:19 <zombie67> grandparents love nothing more than spending on their grandchildren....just don't take advantage

00:19 <MTughan> That's why I'm not telling her.

00:20 <zombie67> heh

00:20 <MTughan> She gave me $1000 at the beginning of the school year for trips back and forth from university.

00:20 <MTughan> That's what I dug into.

00:21 <zombie67> so,as long as you make the remaining trips in budget you are golden

00:21 <zombie67> time to hitch

00:21 <MTughan> Yep, and I'll just rebuild up the amount in my account as time goes on.

00:59 <Tank_Master> my i7 can support 24gb

00:59 <MTughan> I have a Core 2.

01:00 <Tank_Master> im suprised by how much heat an i7 produces

01:01 <Tank_Master> but its about 1.75-2x faster then a 9xxx c2q at the same speed

01:01 <MTughan> Which could be explained by the hyperthreading.

01:02 <MTughan> I got a C2 because the Core i7s were still rediculously expensive when I built my computer.

01:02 <MTughan> ridiculously*

01:04 <Tank_Master> they still are more

01:04 <MTughan> Yes, but they've come down in price.

01:04 <Tank_Master> true

01:05 <Tank_Master> and the i5s should be good priced

01:05 <MTughan> i7 920 is about $100 less than it was before, and the motherboard prices have plunged.

01:28 <MTughan> Well, I'm 4th in Canada for Milkyway... I'm just about to lose a spot, but I'll see what I can do about that.

01:28 <MTughan> I should be able to take 1st in Canada.

01:28 <Tank_Master> need to get another ati card

01:28 <MTughan> I think my laptop's Radeon HD3470 will be able to crunch once the GPU project is up.

01:29 <MTughan> So will my Mac's GeForce 9400M.

01:29 <MTughan> Until then, both of those machines have their CPUs on full Milkyway. The desktop will stay WCG on the CPU, 'cause I can't run MW on both the GPU and CPU.

01:30 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

01:30 <MTughan> I'm only about 5K/day short of the other person, hopefully I can dig that out.

01:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 70.1F / 21.2C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.57in / 1001.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 60s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 90. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 60s. East winds around 5 mph.;

01:30 <CoderForLife> sleep is disunderrated

01:31 <CoderForLife> back to bed, nevertheless

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03:44 <efc> &wx 31088

03:44 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 74F / 24C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.73in / 1006hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 70s. Northwest winds up to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 (1 more message)

03:45 <efc> &more

03:45 <Romulus> efc: percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 90s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows around 70. Light and variable winds shifting to the southwest after midnight.;

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06:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 77.2F / 25.1C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Hot and humid. Isolated thunderstorms in the morning. High in the mid 90s. Southeast wind near 10 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 20 percent. Heat index readings 101 to 106.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with (2 more messages)

06:27 <wdsmia> &more

06:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low in the mid 70s. South wind 5 to 10 mph. Highest heat index readings 100 to 105 in the evening.; Wednesday - Hot and humid. Partly sunny with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. High in the lower 90s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Highest heat index readings 100 to 102 in the afternoon.; Heat Advisory for Polk County in effect until 7:00 PM CDT on (1 more message)

06:27 <wdsmia> &more

06:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: June 23, 2009;

06:29 <hawmps> 'lo

06:29 <wdsmia> mornin

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07:43 <hawmps> &wx

07:43 <Romulus> hawmps: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

07:43 <hawmps> &wx 12020

07:43 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 66.0F / 18.9C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.55in / 1000.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 60s. North winds 5 to 10 (1 more message)

07:43 <hawmps> &more

07:43 <Romulus> hawmps: mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.;

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08:48 <CoderForLife> morning

08:49 <CoderForLife> it's my 30th wedding anniversary today

08:57 <hawmps> Congrats!!

08:58 <hawmps> I still introduce mine as "My First Wife" also...

09:03 <hawmps> Report: Ed McMahon Dead at 86

09:23 <CoderForLife> thx Jay

09:26 * wdsmia_w is back in the boinc top 100 :)

09:29 <CoderForLife> congrats

09:37 <hawmps> 29 years for me in august..

09:58 <CoderForLife> excellent

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12:39 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news June 23, 2009

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12:52 <MTughan> Holy crap... I don't think it's extremely warm outside, but my computers are running HOT.

13:01 <Tank_Master> you think your computers are hot?

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13:01 <MTughan> I call 69C on a Core 2 Quad hot, yes.

13:01 <Tank_Master> :)

13:02 <MTughan> Considering I think it throttles at 71C.

13:02 <Tank_Master> you could just turn off the throtteling

13:03 <MTughan> Are you able to do that?

13:03 <Tank_Master> in the bios for non OEM comps, yeah

13:03 <Tank_Master> asus mobos have that ability

13:03 <MTughan> What setting would that be called?

13:03 <Tank_Master> trying to remember...

13:05 <PovAddict> if you turn off the throttling at 71C, wont it overheat and fail at 75C? throttling is a protection mechanism...

13:05 <MTughan> That was my thinking, but I wanted to humour TM.

13:05 <Tank_Master> I think its the speedsetp tech setting

13:06 <Tank_Master> dont the core2s go up to 95C b4 they shut down?

13:06 <MTughan> Tank_Master: I found it anyway. "CPU TM function: This function enables the overheated CPU to throttle down its clock speed to cool down."

13:07 <PovAddict> at least if a cpu burns out you can buy a new one

13:07 <MTughan> In any case, I turned off one core of crunching to let it cool down somewhat.

13:08 <PovAddict> if a hard disk fails because of overheating, you cant simply buy a new one

13:08 <Tank_Master> a new comp?

13:08 <MTughan> "Thermal Specification: 71C"

13:08 <Tank_Master> how would a HD fail from cpu overclock?

13:08 <MTughan> It wouldn't. He's comparing heat deaths of different components.

13:09 <PovAddict> not cpu overclock you noob...

13:09 <PovAddict> :p

13:09 <Tank_Master> overclock the HD you mean?

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13:09 <PovAddict> if your system has bad cooling and your HDD fails, *you just lost all your data*

13:13 <PovAddict> some manufacturers provide quite extensive warranty for disks

13:14 <PovAddict> but what do you get, your disk fails and they give you a new (empty) one for free

13:16 <PovAddict> if you have a RAID, worst thing you can do is buy both disks together... better if they are even different brands... lowers chance of simultaneous failure (yes, it can happen)

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13:49 <itrebal> I'm trying to use boinc on Ubuntu Server w/out a GUI and am trying to attach to the Rosetta project, but dont' fully understand how to actually accomplish that.

13:49 <itrebal> I see boinc_cmd --project_attach URL auth ; but don't know where to get URL or auth

13:51 <Nickuwo> http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

13:51 <Romulus> Title: Rosetta@home (at boinc.bakerlab.org)

13:52 <itrebal> So run --lookup_account, ge the account key, and then is that the auth?

13:54 <Nickuwo> that sounds like it'd work

13:56 <Nickuwo> or you could just use --host and --passwd

13:56 <Nickuwo> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool

13:56 <Romulus> Title: Boinccmd tool - BOINC (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

13:56 <Nickuwo> or wait

13:56 <Nickuwo> thats not project info..

13:57 <Nickuwo> yea, do what you were doing b4 :)

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13:58 <Nickuwo> thats kinda dumb, you'd think they'd just combine --lookup_account and --project attach

13:59 <Nickuwo> gawd it's hot

13:59 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

13:59 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 95.1F / 35.1C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of Today - Hot and humid. Partly sunny with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. High in the mid 90s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Heat index readings 104 to 109.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 50 percent chance (1 more message)

13:59 <Nickuwo> &wx 54901

13:59 <wdsmia_w> &more

13:59 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: of thunderstorms. Low in the mid 70s. South wind 5 to 10 mph. Highest heat index readings 100 to 105 in the evening.; Wednesday - Hot and humid. Partly sunny with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. High in the lower 90s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Highest heat index readings 100 to 102 in the afternoon.; Heat Advisory for Polk County in effect until 7:00 PM CDT on June 23, 2009;

13:59 <Romulus> Nickuwo: Temperature: 91.8F / 33.2C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.07in / 984.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; This Afternoon - Hot. Mostly sunny with highs 88 to 93. Heat index 95 to 100. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 65 to 70. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy and very warm (1 more message)

14:00 <Nickuwo> got me beat... barely

14:00 <wdsmia_w> yup

14:00 <Nickuwo> prly got ac too

14:07 <itrebal> It hit 104F here... is there a way to tell if its.. working?

14:07 <Nickuwo> hmm

14:07 <Nickuwo> 104? rough

14:07 <Nickuwo> use top?

14:07 <Nickuwo> see if you have any rosseta processes suckin cpu

14:08 <itrebal> /usr/bin/boinc --check_all_logins --redirectio --dir /var/lib/boinc-client   the only one  with 'boinc' or 'rosetta'

14:10 <Nickuwo> eh

14:10 <Nickuwo> is it using alot of cpu?

14:11 <itrebal> nope, nothing remarkable. I found that through ps auxfg | grep -i boinc

14:11 <itrebal> Oh there we go, there ar a couple of minirosetta processes on top of `top`

14:11 <Nickuwo> use top once

14:11 <Nickuwo> nice

14:12 <Nickuwo> g2g

14:12 <itrebal> When I ran ps auxfg, the most CPu intensive thing on my machine was 'init'

14:12 <itrebal> Seee you, thanks!

14:12 <Nickuwo> np

14:14 <MTughan> itrebal: You got attached to Rosetta fine?

14:14 <itrebal> Yep, watching my load and CPU temperatures raise, exactlyw what I was looking for. Thanks

14:15 <MTughan> Good. And you did figure out the procedure then: --lookup_account, then --attach_project.

14:15 <MTughan> The problem with boinc_cmd is it's not really much of a CLI tool as much as a debugging tool that works for controlling BOINC.

14:16 <MTughan> So that's what actually happens when you use the graphical manager to attach a project, but the command line doesn't abstract that for you.

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15:41 <yoyo[RKN]> &math 70-4

15:41 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 66

15:42 <yoyo[RKN]> &math 66*4

15:42 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 264

15:43 <wdsmia_w> Higher Education at work :P

15:43 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

15:44 <PovAddict> laziness at work

15:44 <yoyo[RKN]> &math 3+70+1+4+1+38+1+10+1+3

15:44 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 132

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16:41 <jasong> I'm tired of being accused of living in my mother's basement.  Conway Arkansas is very close to being marshland.  So building a basement is the height of folly.  Only an idiot would build a basement around here.

16:43 <mweltin> how is living in your mom's attic ?

16:45 <jasong> damn

16:47 <DerMeister> lol

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17:21 <Tank_Master> mweltin!

17:21 <Tank_Master> wazz up?

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17:27 <wdsmia> nice day turned nasty fast

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17:30 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 74.9F / 23.8C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Thunderstorm | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Thunderstorms likely. Some thunderstorms may be severe. South wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 70 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms (2 more messages)

17:30 <wdsmia> &more

17:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: may be severe early in the evening. Low in the mid 70s. South wind 5 to 10 mph. Highest heat index readings 101 to 106 in the evening.; Wednesday - Hot and humid. Partly sunny with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. High in the lower 90s. South wind near 10 mph. Heat index readings 104 to 109.; Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Polk County in effect until 4:45 PM CDT on June 23, 2009; (1 more message)

17:30 <wdsmia> &more

17:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: Severe Thunderstorm Watch for Polk County in effect until 10:00 PM CDT on June 23, 2009; Areal Flood Advisory for Polk County in effect until 10:00 PM CDT on June 23, 2009; Excessive Heat Warning for Polk County in effect until 9:00 PM CDT on June 24, 2009;

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19:17 <xcamel> howdy campers

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19:42 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:43 <efc> Hey xcamel

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19:44 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:44 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 74.8F / 23.8C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 11.0mph / 17.7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 60s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. North winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy in (1 more message)

19:44 <xcamel> &more

19:44 <Romulus> xcamel: the evening...then clearing. Humid with lows in the lower 60s. Northwest winds around 5 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable.;

19:44 <efc> I have about a month before my lease is up.. wonder if I can find 40 acres and a mule by then.

19:45 <xcamel> and a mute supermodel that works like a mule..

19:45 <jasong> What's the command for a system beep in Linux?  I want to make it happen once a second 3 times

19:46 <xcamel> ctl-G is the ascii "bell"

19:46 <efc> Mute supermodel. Haha.

19:46 <jasong> how would I do it in bash though?

19:46 <xcamel> echo the ascii code for 'bell'

19:47 <jasong> ok, thanks, I guess I'll google ascii code, then :)

19:48 <xcamel> hex - 07

19:48 <xcamel> dec 39

19:49 <efc> something special to make it see the code as ascii? (Trying it on cygwin)

19:50 <xcamel> now I don't remember how... senior moment

19:51 <PovAddict> echo -e "\a"

19:51 <xcamel> bash >> echo '0x07'

19:52 <PovAddict> echo '0x07' just prints "0x07" here

19:52 <PovAddict> btw, what linux distro? there is a handy "beep" command, you can even set the frequency/duration and play music :)

19:52 <xcamel> eddie got it right

19:53 <xcamel> Try (in hexa) :

19:53 <xcamel> echo -e "\xA9"

19:53 <xcamel> and in octal :

19:53 <xcamel> echo -e "\0251"

19:54 <xcamel> special chars >> http://www.lookuptables.com/

19:54 <Romulus> Title: HTML Tables - HTML Codes and entities (at www.lookuptables.com)

19:56 <xcamel> have phun..

19:57 <efc> the -e "a" worked on cygwin

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21:51 <Geoffrey2> &whatis platform_list

21:51 <Romulus> Geoffrey2: "platform_list" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

21:53 <Geoffrey2> when building BOINC from source in linux, the 6.4.x series is still the recommended one?

21:54 <MTughan> If you don't need GPU crunching, I'd actually recommend 6.2.x.

21:55 <MTughan> Others might have different recommendations though.

22:06 <PovAddict> Geoffrey2: have you prepared the appropriate sacrifices?

22:07 <MTughan> ...

22:07 <Geoffrey2> PovAddict, ???

22:07 <Romulus> Somebody said PovAddict, is that, Geoffrey2

22:08 <Geoffrey2> PovAddict, not really sure what you mean there

22:09 <MTughan> I think he's joking.

22:09 <PovAddict> jokingly saying you might need to sacrifice a virgin before getting BOINC to build

22:09 <MTughan> To DA?

22:10 <PovAddict> huh

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22:12 <Geoffrey2> PovAddict, ah, so that's the step I've been missing

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22:14 <Geoffrey2> I was trying to build core_release_6_4, but the build kept failing....

22:14 <MTughan> What error?

22:14 <Geoffrey2> couldn't find build instructions for the 16x16.png

22:15 <MTughan> Sounds like you're missing an image.

22:15 <Geoffrey2> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `boincmgr.16x16.png', needed by `all-am'. Stop.

22:15 <PovAddict> did you run just 'make'?

22:16 <Geoffrey2> PovAddict, autogen, configure, and then make

22:17 <Geoffrey2> er, autosetup, that is

22:17 <PovAddict> and 'make' gave that error?

22:17 <Geoffrey2> ./configure --disable-server --enable-client CXXFLAGS="-O3 -funroll-loops -fforce-addr -ffast-math"

22:18 <Geoffrey2> yep, that was the error

22:18 <Geoffrey2> can I paste several lines here or should I pastebin?

22:19 <MTughan> pastebin

22:19 <Geoffrey2> http://pastebin.ca/1471953

22:19 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1471953 (at pastebin.ca)

22:20 <MTughan> Hmm, found the icon on my SVN checkout...

22:20 <MTughan> I have one there.

22:20 <MTughan> Sounds like maybe they made the tag wrong?

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22:22 <Geoffrey2> my svn pull was svn co http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/branches/boinc_core_release_6_4

22:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/m7lvps> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

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22:23 <Geoffrey2> so I was pulling a branch, not a tag

22:24 <MTughan> The tag doesn't have the PNG either, so it doesn't matter.

22:24 <PovAddict> yep seems broken

22:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: You'll make the email?

22:28 <jasong> I've been thinking about cellphones and the limited real estate problem

22:28 <jasong> Maybe the problem is that we've been sticking to rectangular screens

22:28 <jasong> What about t-shaped screens that you fold out, with pixels on each side

22:29 <PovAddict> why do you need bigger screen on a cellphone?

22:29 <Geoffrey2> the instructions I'm reading say run 'make', change to the 'sea' directory, and then 'make' again....for the 6_2 series, does that apply, because the directory structure doesn't match

22:29 <jasong> I was specifically thinking of smart phones

22:30 <PovAddict> we don't need smart phones, we need smarter phone users

22:30 <MTughan> Geoffrey2: I have a packages/generic/sea directory here, maybe that's what it means.

22:30 * PovAddict today saw someone doing a fairly questionable move with his car while talking on the phone

22:30 <PovAddict> Geoffrey2: you don't need to make 'sea'

22:31 <PovAddict> that's like making a zip with what you just compiled to then immediately extract it back

22:31 <Tank_Master> yeah, but was she hot?

22:31 <PovAddict> she?

22:31 <Romulus> she is much better, but still in the hospital, PovAddict

22:31 <Tank_Master> wtf?

22:32 * PovAddict puts Romulus on ignore

22:33 <Tank_Master> lol

22:33 <PovAddict> you may be next

22:35 <MTughan> I still have Soul_keeper on ignore here...

22:35 <jasong> wow, romulus seemed very on topic there

22:35 <PovAddict> ditto

22:35 <Tank_Master> lol jasong

22:35 <MTughan> And I have everyone on ignore too. Just for CTCP.

22:41 * jasong wonders how long it will be before it's not just the rich and stupid that buy ssds for laptops

22:42 <MTughan> OCZ reported they're coming out with a 3.5" 1TB SSD.

22:42 <jasong> How much?

22:42 <Romulus> hmm... How much is the 233 going for back then ? think i got one laying around, jasong

22:42 <jasong> Romulus?

22:42 <jasong> Damn, he didn't answer that time

22:43 <jasong> What, exactly, triggers him?

22:43 <MTughan> BOINC?

22:43 <Romulus> Rumor has it BOINC is all perfect and stuff, MTughan

22:43 <MTughan> You say a word or small phrase with a ? behind it.

22:43 <jasong> Are you stupid, Rommie?

22:44 <jasong> lol, I offended it

22:44 <jasong> Is Rommie awesome?

22:45 <jasong> Are SSDs expensive, bot?

22:45 <jasong> *cries*

22:46 <PovAddict> it's a factoid list, not artificial intelligence...

22:47 <MTughan> SSD?

22:47 <MTughan> Nope...

22:47 <MTughan> SSD is expensive.

22:47 <MTughan> SSD?

22:47 <Romulus> I guess SSD is expensive, MTughan

22:47 <MTughan> forget SSD

22:47 <Romulus> Gotcha, MTughan.

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23:13 <vomitory> how do i make boinc start computations on startup on my computer [ before the login ] ?

23:13 <vomitory> using gentoo linux

23:13 <PovAddict> did you use an ebuild?

23:14 <vomitory> yes

23:14 <PovAddict> didn't it install a startup script for you?

23:14 <PovAddict> lame

23:14 <vomitory> it did

23:14 <vomitory> but

23:14 <vomitory> in order to do computations i need to have boinc_client running

23:14 <PovAddict> yes, duh

23:14 <PovAddict> that's what I'm asking

23:14 <vomitory> so boinc daemon starts on startup, but boinc_client doesn't

23:14 <PovAddict> boinc_client *is* the daemon

23:15 <vomitory> oh right

23:15 <Tank_Master> :D

23:15 <vomitory> kay let me try some sneak stuff

23:15 <vomitory> but it doesn't work by default

23:15 <Tank_Master> you have to trick it into doing what you want

23:16 <vomitory> definitly

23:16 <vomitory> i'll fire a warning shot and see how it responds

23:16 * vomitory *pew*

23:16 <vomitory> i think its saying that i'm not attached to any project

23:16 <vomitory> but i definitly am

23:17 <PovAddict> maybe you started boinc_client by hand in the past

23:17 <vomitory> whenever it starts by startup it says that, but when i start it from inside X it doesn't

23:17 <PovAddict> and it used some random directory (whatever your current directory was) as its data directory

23:17 <vomitory> yes i always start it by hand because automatically it doesn't connect

23:17 <PovAddict> but the startup script uses something else

23:17 <vomitory> what does the startup script use?

23:17 <PovAddict> you tell me

23:17 <PovAddict> I don't use gentoo

23:18 <vomitory> it should be the same on most linuxeseses

23:18 <PovAddict> nope

23:18 <PovAddict> even debian and ubuntu use different BOINC data dirs

23:18 <PovAddict> never run the daemon by hand unless you really know what you're doing, and you're running it from the user account and current directory that you want

23:18 <PovAddict> for example, running boinc_client from your home dir will make a mess in there

23:19 <vomitory> the startup script being /etc/init.d/boinc ?

23:20 <PovAddict> yes

23:23 <vomitory> start() calls create_work_dir() which does mkdir ${RUNTIMEDIR}

23:23 <PovAddict> what is RUNTIMEDIR set to?

23:23 <vomitory> nothing

23:23 <PovAddict> oh

23:23 <PovAddict> check /etc/defaults/boinc

23:24 <PovAddict> that's where the "settings" for the startup script are

23:25 <vomitory> such a file does not exist

23:25 <vomitory> i think it might be /etc/conf.d/boinc

23:25 <vomitory> RUNTIMEDIR="/var/lib/boinc"

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23:25 <vomitory> how do i get it not to use the crap that was generated from when i started it manually?

23:25 <PovAddict> it's not

23:25 <vomitory> is it safe to just move it from the working directory in $RUNTIMEDIR

23:25 <PovAddict> the startup script is already using /var/lib/boinc

23:26 <vomitory> i mean yea

23:26 <vomitory> that's what is "set"

23:26 <PovAddict> who knows if you even started boinc_client from the same directory every time... you might have half a dozen "BOINC data dirs" all around your system :D

23:26 <vomitory> uh-oh spagetti'o's

23:26 <vomitory> d'oh

23:27 <PovAddict> $ locate client_state.xml

23:27 <vomitory> how often do you run udpatedb?

23:27 <PovAddict> I think a cronjob in my system runs it daily

23:29 <vomitory> what does this do

23:29 <vomitory> # Relative CPU allocation for boinc user, default is 1024,

23:29 <vomitory> # requires CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED and CONFIG_USER_SCHED,

23:29 <vomitory> # see /usr/src/linux/Documentation/scheduler/sched-design-CFS.txt

23:29 <vomitory> CPU_SHARE="128"

23:29 <PovAddict> puts BOINC in really low CPU priority

23:29 <vomitory> i thought the niceness does that

23:29 <PovAddict> this maybe goes further than nice does

23:30 <vomitory> k all the stuff seems to be in root

23:30 <vomitory> should i copy all the boinc files from root to RUNTIMEDIR?

23:31 <PovAddict> root? o_o

23:31 <PovAddict> you mean /root ?

23:35 <PovAddict> so you've been running BOINC as root? can you please attach to *my* BOINC project so I can take over your system?

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23:41 <vomitory> well - should i do it or not?

23:41 <PovAddict> I lost your previous messages

23:42 <PovAddict> did you say anything after " should i copy all the boinc files from root to RUNTIMEDIR?"

23:42 <vomitory> no

23:42 <PovAddict> well, you'd have to do a lot of permission-fixing work...

23:42 <vomitory> if i delete these files will i lose the information that says how many hours i've donated to the project?

23:43 <PovAddict> no, but you will lose any task that was still in progress

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