IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-06-26

00:19 <vomitory> from /root

00:21 <vomitory> brb

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00:21 <PovAddict> why is he still running everything as root ? :/

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00:40 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

00:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 72.3F / 22.4C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Partly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows around 70. Southwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Humid with (1 more message)

00:41 <CoderForLife> &more

00:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Lows in the mid 60s. North winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

00:46 <efc> &wx 31088

00:46 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 80F / 27C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. A 20 percent chance of showers in the evening. Lows around 70. Light and variable winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny in the morning...then partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the (1 more message)

00:46 <efc> &more

00:46 <Romulus> efc: afternoon. Highs in the mid 90s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Lows in the lower 70s. Light and variable winds.;

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01:07 <CoderForLife> re-gn

01:07 <PovAddict> sleep is overrated

01:07 <PovAddict> (2am for me)

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02:15 <vomitory> does pushing the power button on my machine lose a task currently being run? (it gets reset) , or how often are checkpoints made?

02:15 <MTughan> Depends on the application.

02:15 <vomitory> rosetta@home

02:16 <MTughan> I don't know specifics.

02:16 <MTughan> But I think BOINC calls for a checkpoint around every 5 or 10 minutes. Some applications don't checkpoint though.

02:16 <vomitory> ah

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03:41 <desti> what happend to einstein?

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04:00 <Tank_Master> it go poof?

04:01 <MTughan> Something like AI?

04:01 <MTughan> Nope... "Einstein@Home is down as the result of a fileserver crash.  I am working on repairing

04:01 <MTughan> the filesystem now but I do not have an estimate of how long this could take yet."

04:02 <Tank_Master> in other words "its IT's fault"

04:04 <vomitory> can someone help me get boinc_gui to connect to the manager please?

04:05 <MTughan> vomitory: First thing, stop running BOINC as root.

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04:20 <Tank_Master> might find it easier to fget working under windows

04:21 <MTughan> You mean wget?

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06:42 <hawmps> 'lo

06:44 <MTughan> Morning.

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07:37 <hawmps> &wx 12020

07:37 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 69.8F / 21.0C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a chance of showers. Thunderstorms likely this afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce damaging winds this afternoon. Highs in the mid 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)

07:37 <hawmps> &more]

07:37 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: Spurious "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.

07:37 <hawmps> &more

07:37 <Romulus> hawmps: Partly cloudy. Thunderstorms likely in the evening. Some thunderstorms may produce damaging winds in the evening. Lows in the lower 60s. West winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers in the afternoon. Humid with highs around 80. West winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

07:56 *** kathryn__ is now known as KathrynM

07:57 <MTughan> 'lo KathrynM

07:57 <KathrynM> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=87339&id=752313099&l=64373d49b2

07:57 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/lpbrjv> (at www.facebook.com)

07:57 <KathrynM> should be a public link

07:57 <KathrynM> new kitten

07:57 <MTughan> It is.

07:58 <MTughan> Very pointy hair. :P

07:58 <KathrynM> yeah

07:58 <KathrynM> she needs to grow into her body

07:58 <KathrynM> amazing her and Ivory are gettin along

07:58 <KathrynM> only a few hisses from Ivory

07:59 <KathrynM> and the new little one is bold.

07:59 <KathrynM> no hiding under furniture for her

07:59 <MTughan> Yeah, our cat wouldn't be too happy with a new cat around...

07:59 <MTughan> She took about a year and a half to really get used to the dog we stuck with her when she was 13.

08:00 <KathrynM> lol

08:01 <KathrynM> Ivory is still a kitten herself, so I hope that'll help some.

08:01 <MTughan> Probably.

08:04 <MTughan> Did you notice Einstein was down?

08:04 <MTughan> Einstein@Home is down as the result of a fileserver crash.  I am working on repairing the filesystem now but I do not have an estimate of how long this could take yet.

08:08 <KathrynM> yeah, I got an email about it on our mod list

08:13 <yang> &wx ljubljana

08:13 <Romulus> yang: Temperature: 75°F / 24°C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: Variable | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM CEST; Thunderstorm. High:73 F.; Thunderstorm. Low:51 F.; Thunderstorm. High:75 F.; Thunderstorm. Low:53 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:77 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:57 F.;

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08:27 <hawmps> I have a ton of einstein work backed up..

08:28 <hawmps> whet the f is 'ljubljana'

08:28 <EL_Gono> capital of slovenia

08:28 <EL_Gono> nice town

08:28 <hawmps> how did I not know that..

08:29 <hawmps> I'm usually pretty sharp on geography.

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08:30 <hawmps> Hey Doug..

08:30 <EL_Gono> mo doug & jay ;)

08:30 <hawmps> how the hell to you tell if cuda is really working?

08:31 <hawmps> all I get is this:

08:31 <hawmps> Milkyway@homeMessage from server: CPU app exists for MilkyWay@Home but no CPU work requested

08:31 <hawmps> do I need to reset the project?

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11:28 <yang> I am wondering if there exist a calculation object for the sparc platform?

11:29 <yang> i will just get an error: platform "sparc-sun-linux-gnu" not found

11:34 <desti> seti should have one

11:48 <PovAddict> KathrynM: AWW

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12:37 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

12:37 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 83.5F / 28.6C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. High in the upper 80s. Southeast wind around 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 70s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of (1 more message)

12:37 <wdsmia_w> &more

12:37 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: thunderstorms. High in the upper 80s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the west in the afternoon. Gusts up to 25 mph.;

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13:31 <Tank_Master> http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101425

13:31 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/lc5blx> (at www.informationweek.com)

13:32 <Tank_Master> Windows 7 Half-Price Sale Starts Friday

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13:41 <PovAddict> meh

13:41 <PovAddict> I tried Windows 7

13:41 <PovAddict> (having never tried Windows Vista)

13:41 <PovAddict> the word for it is "annoying"

13:41 <PovAddict> you can't use one feature without having a popup offering you to use another

13:42 <PovAddict> eg. you can't install IE8 and use it without going through the wizard asking whether you want to enable or not the dozen new useless features it has

14:02 <hawmps> exactly..

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14:15 <PovAddict> Microsoft keeps training people to ignore popups, by showing more of them

14:15 <PovAddict> the more useless information around, the less people will pay attention to it

14:16 <PovAddict> crying wolf syndrome

14:17 <PovAddict> when a program actually has something important to tell the user... he won't listen

14:17 <PovAddict> popup ads on the web already trained people to close web popup windows *before they even load*

14:21 <vomitory> PovAddict: i need your help in getting boinc_gui to work!

14:21 <PovAddict> step 1: stop using root!

14:22 <vomitory> im not starting it as root

14:22 <vomitory> and boinc_gui , starting as root, worked before

14:22 <vomitory> boinc daemon starts on startup

14:24 <PovAddict> yes, because you were (wrongly) running the client as root too... that's why it worked...

14:24 <vomitory> i fixed that

14:24 <vomitory> and did it correctly

14:24 <vomitory> and then it worked as it should

14:24 <vomitory> even boinc_gui worked

14:25 <vomitory> then 3 days later couldn't connect anymore

14:25 <PovAddict> try running the client from /var/lib/boinc-client

14:25 <PovAddict> with that as current working directory

14:25 <vomitory> running the client as root?

14:25 <vomitory> or /etc/init.d/start?

14:25 <hawmps> use the boincmgr script, edited for your install (finding the exec)

14:25 <PovAddict> hawmps: distro package, no such script

14:25 <PovAddict> vomitory: you NEVER run the client as root

14:26 <vomitory> i never do

14:26 <vomitory> not anymore

14:26 <PovAddict> just cd /var/lib/boinc-client; boinc_gui

14:26 <vomitory> it works

14:26 <vomitory> from that directory

14:27 <PovAddict> I already filed bugs for that in multiple distros, all ignored so far

14:27 <hawmps> correction.. it's the 'run_manager' script.

14:27 <vomitory> did you file for gentoo?

14:27 <PovAddict> no, because I don't use gentoo; but the gentoo package seems broken in several more ways so... :)

14:28 <PovAddict> if I complain, I might as well complain about all the issues together

14:28 <vomitory> who do you complain to?

14:28 <vomitory> boinc?

14:28 <Romulus> Somebody said boinc is all perfect and stuff, vomitory

14:28 <hawmps> that way nothing ever gets fixed...

14:29 <hawmps> vomitory: do you have the 'run_manager' anywhere in there?

14:29 <hawmps> script, that is..

14:29 <vomitory> ?

14:29 <vomitory> the script is in /etc/init.d

14:29 <vomitory> the config file is in /etc/conf.d

14:29 <hawmps> ie: find /* -name 'run_manager'

14:30 <vomitory> its not called run_manager

14:30 <PovAddict> "it"?

14:30 <vomitory> http://pastebin.ca/1475716

14:30 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - pastebin - post number 1475716 (at pastebin.ca)

14:30 <hawmps> not what I asked..

14:30 <PovAddict> he's asking if you have a script called that, not if "that" script (whatever you're talking about) is called that

14:30 <vomitory> boinc_client, boinc_cmd, boinc_gui ; the latter two are the managers

14:30 <vomitory> theres no run_manager anything

14:30 <hawmps> do the find, tux..

14:31 <vomitory> "*" isn't necessary in that find command

14:31 <hawmps> because the distro packages spread all the important files all over your machine...

14:32 <PovAddict> they put files where all other software put them

14:32 <hawmps> instead of keeping them in one nice tight directory of their own..

14:32 <PovAddict> binaries in bin, configuration in etc, state data in var

14:32 <hawmps> doesn't make it right, or tight, PoV

14:33 <PovAddict> use GoboLinux if you don't like "files spread on your machine"

14:33 <hawmps> and makes it impossible to maintain and debug when there is a problem

14:33 <vomitory> no results for find

14:33 <vomitory> is there a way to make boinc take more memory for a memory/performance trade-off?

14:34 <PovAddict> no, that's a project-specific issue

14:35 <PovAddict> BOINC uses almost no CPU, no tradeoff to make...

14:35 <PovAddict> any memory/CPU tradeoff would be in the project applications

14:35 <hawmps> run_manager script: (one line)  cd "/usr/bin/boinc/" && exec ./boincmgr $@

14:36 <PovAddict> no, gotta run from the data directory, not bin

14:36 <vomitory> PovAddict: yes, but i thought boinc can set restriction on resources (in fact it can), the issue is that the projects aren't designed to take advantage of 2gb of memory

14:36 <hawmps> you just change that to whatever dir your distro uses.

14:36 <PovAddict> vomitory: because they don't *need* 2gb of memory

14:36 <vomitory> wrong

14:37 <vomitory> memory-proc trade-off

14:37 <vomitory> i design similar software

14:37 <PovAddict> you say that as if any computation process has such a tradeoff

14:37 <vomitory> well i've worked on the  protein crystallography project which runs on world community grid, which is a project on boinc

14:38 <PovAddict> many times that's Fortran code that has been in development for decades, they can't simply add a switch to change the memory/time tradeoff on startup...

14:38 <vomitory> c++

14:39 <vomitory> and its like adding a checkpoint

14:39 <vomitory> the developpers aren't the ones who add that anyway

14:39 <vomitory> the project ppl give it to the project sponsors which add the graphics and checkpoints and things such as that

14:39 <vomitory> so the code that has been in development for a decade fits in a wrapper

14:39 <vomitory> but its not really a wrapper, its more integrated

14:39 <vomitory> baseball + baseball-glove analogy

14:40 <PovAddict> you're welcome to ask for a higher-memory-but-faster app in WCG forums

14:40 <vomitory> maybe after they figure out how to make it work as a screensaver

14:42 <vomitory> i found a shell script that gives update info for F@H into conky, do you think this would be possible with boinc?

14:42 <vomitory> http://pastebin.ca/1475729

14:42 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - pastebin - post number 1475729 (at pastebin.ca)

14:42 <PovAddict> yes, I have seen a conky script for BOINC

14:42 <vomitory> which file does it cat from?

14:43 <PovAddict> I think KathrynM used one

14:43 <PovAddict> there is no "file to cat"; you need to ask stuff from the client using an XML protocol via TCP :P

14:44 <vomitory> sux

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16:38 <PovAddict> http://code.google.com/p/synecdoche/ we have downloads up! release notes not available yet

16:38 <Romulus> Title: synecdoche - Google Code (at code.google.com)

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16:48 <xcamel> re-hi

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17:01 <CoderForLife> home again -  din din

17:05 <xcamel> ditto-ditto

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17:43 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:45 <CoderForLife> hi Doug

17:46 <CoderForLife> our future hangs in the balance

17:47 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:48 <wdsmia> &tgif

17:48 <Romulus> Agreed...

17:49 <CoderForLife> yes, now I can get some Coding done

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18:03 <MTughan> Wow, starting to sound like some big thunderstorms coming our way...

18:07 <PovAddict> $ dig answer.povaddict.com.ar TXT

18:07 <PovAddict> does that work for you?

18:07 <MTughan> "The answer is 42."

18:07 <PovAddict> w00t

18:13 <PovAddict> oh our messed up domain name administration...

18:13 <PovAddict> of .ar domain names

18:13 <PovAddict> 25% of .ar domain names are registered by 0.17% of the "registering entities" (people or companies)

18:20 <KathrynM> I got conky compiled ages ago in Ubuntu, but I never got around to using it

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18:57 <CoderForLife> Stephen brought home 8 used machines that we bought for $50 each - 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM - going to go check them out, bbl

18:59 <PovAddict> !

19:00 <PovAddict> my computer has those specs :/

19:00 <PovAddict> but dual core

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19:57 <KathrynM> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2048493&l=9c570905d6&id=752313099

19:57 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ornc4s> (at www.facebook.com)

19:59 <PovAddict> my hed asplode

20:02 <Nickuwo> spaghetti cat

20:02 <KathrynM> lol

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20:09 <Rookie_69> &wx fogtown

20:09 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

20:09 <Rookie_69> Oh...

20:09 <Rookie_69> &wx taw

20:10 <Rookie_69> ?

20:10 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM UYT; Partly Cloudy. High:55 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:35 F.; Clear. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F.; Thunderstorm. Low:57 F.;

20:10 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

20:10 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 61.2°F / 16.2°C | Humidity: 99% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h | Updated: 9:09 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy. Periods of drizzle beginning this evening. Fog spreading inland. Low 14C(57F).; Saturday - Cloudy with sunny periods. Fog retreating to the coast in the morning. High 22C(72F) except (1 more message)

20:10 <Rookie_69> &more

20:10 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 17C(63F) along the coast. UV index 7 or high. Saturday night periods of drizzle. Fog spreading inland in the evening. Low 14C(57F).; Sunday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. High 18C(64F).;

20:12 <Rookie_69> How did I get Uruguay?

20:12 <MTughan> You can have more than one word there.

20:12 <Rookie_69> Oh yeah... Poor typing.

20:13 <MTughan> &wx Ottawa, Canada

20:13 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 68°F / 20°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Light Thunderstorm | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 40 percent chance of showers early this evening with the risk of a thunderstorm. Low 17C(63F).; Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 27C(81F). UV index 8 or very high. Saturday night (1 more message)

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20:16 <PovAddict> I just heard a buzzing sound coming from here

20:16 <PovAddict> like

20:16 <PovAddict> short circuit

20:16 <PovAddict> *worries*

20:16 <Rookie_69> My speakers do that often.

20:17 <Rookie_69> No smoke, so I hope it's ok.

20:20 <Tank_Master> might just be a loose connection between the comp and the speakers

20:22 <Rookie_69> I would guess feedback from somewhere up the line, but what do I know?

20:22 <KathrynM> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=87339&id=752313099&l=64373d49b2

20:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/lpbrjv> (at www.facebook.com)

20:23 <MTughan> Heh, it has a thing for computers...

20:23 <KathrynM> like mother like daughter

20:23 <Rookie_69> Fuzzball.

20:24 <KathrynM> she needs a name

20:24 <Tank_Master> carpet shreder

20:25 <KathrynM> luckily no carpet here

20:25 <MTughan> KathrynM: One word of advice. Go more original than we did.

20:25 <MTughan> The official name of our cat is Kitty Cat.

20:25 <KathrynM> awwwwwwwwww

20:26 <MTughan> Kitty for short. :P

20:26 <KathrynM> I'd love to have an all black kitty.  Then I could have Ebony and Ivory

20:26 <Rookie_69> Seeaytee.

20:26 <Tank_Master> I just call mine pussy

20:26 <Rookie_69> ... spelled c-a-t.

20:28 <Rookie_69> A friend of a friend or whatever had a dog named Deeohgee... spelled d-o-g.

20:29 <MTughan> Unfortunately, I think http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/michaelsprogramming/cat.jpg is the best picture I have of our cat ATM.

20:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/qw3amp> (at home.interlog.com)

20:29 <Rookie_69> He got funny looks at the vet's.

20:29 <MTughan> Oops, different picture... One sec.

20:30 <MTughan> There.

20:37 <PovAddict> my speakers were off

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20:37 <PovAddict> and that loud buzzing sound was at the same time the lights went down for a split second in the dining room

20:38 <MTughan> UPS?

20:38 <Rookie_69> No, down.

20:38 <MTughan> ...

20:38 <MTughan> Got me there.

20:40 <MTughan> Wow... http://www.appscout.com/2009/06/news_of_jacksons_death_took_do.php

20:40 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/peu4mn> (at www.appscout.com)

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21:24 <Rookie_69> NN.

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22:12 <PovAddict> "Last night I shut my machine down for what I thought was going to be 15 minutes to put in a 2nd ethernet card. Well 14 hours and one power supply later -- I'm back!"

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